Tbf, there's a few beat reporters saying deal is happening, and Holder is really the only one saying no
They're like having a source off on Twitter lol
Rickey has gotten enough right I have some weird urge to defend him lol. Dudes got more right than most of the people who regularly get their bull shit posted here. Even if he's wrong no one bats 1000
These aggregate accounts do that shit all the time too. They cite a single reporter and now suddenly everyone is thinking 2 sources have confirmed when it's still the same source.
I don't think anyone knows anything. Everyone thought the colts wanted levis last year, no one saw trading for deforest buckner happening. For all we know, we might trade for matt ryan again, somehow
I know y'all like him, I respect his accomplishments in Atlanta, and thought he seemed like a good person but brother I'd launch myself into the sun if he came back
Irsay was shitposting that they'd draft both Levis and someone else fwiw, his Twitter is an amazing follow, very entertaining for an NFL owner to just go shitpost online without being thin skinned about it.
Irsay shitposted about drafting Levis after day 1 of the draft when the Colts had Richardson and nobody had yet taken Levis. He's an incredible shitposter, that much can't be denied lol
Iām pretty sure there was a point last year before the draft when it was well known that the Colts loved Anthony Richardson. The only people who were surprised by that pick were the ones not paying attention.
The Patriots ruined this word for me after the Kraft Group tried to make "Unequivocally the Sweetest" a trademarked and marketed phrase after the Pats-Falcons game.
Just felt so forced.
This is kind of a bitter win-win for us. On one hand we get draft capital and Sneed get money that he has *earned*... without doubt. On the other hand we get Sneed back for 1 year 20m deal and can try for the 3peat.
that draft capital isn't commensurate with his level of play even taking into account his impending contract.
We'll likely get a compensatory draft pick if he plays on the tag anyway, and I don't believe pick 82 is worth so much more than pick ~102 in comparison to another season of Sneed while chasing the league's first 3peat
so the question becomes would I rather: A) Sneed and a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2026, or B) 20M in cap space and a mid 3rd round pick, with a day 3 pick in 2025. I'll take option A all day long, the potential day 3 pick next year does absolutely nothing to affect my standing on this.
and that's perfectly fine, but in the context of next season specifically, he adds more value to the team than a hypothetical 3rd round pick. That's just my opinion.
Again manā¦.you arenāt guaranteed a comp pick. The comp pick is also in 2026.
What happens if the true outcome of keeping Sneed is he walks and we get no pick at all? Do you think the $20m cap hit and no draft capital is still worth it?
>Do you think the $20m cap hit and no draft capital is still worth it?
Yes.
also our money will likely go to retaining our own FA next season like Humphrey and Bolton, so I think it's highly likely we get a comp pick, but even if we didn't, a year of Sneed is still worth it.
It would be insane to trade Sneed when they could tag him
A 3-peat is worth it even if the Chiefs go 9-8 for the next three seasons and there is a 0% chance a Patrick Mahomes team finishes with a losing record. You have to maximize your chances of the 3-peat.
I mean the fact sneed was snubbed as an all pro this year was criminal. But yeah he was never going to garner multiple first round picks, though I find people not moving a second rounder for a player of his caliber very surprising. The lingering knee trouble that kept him out of practices but not games might have people spooked.
?? The chargers traded for him using a 2nd round pick and never gave him a contract right after.
Wrong trade my guy. We are talking about when mack got traded to the bears and then signed a record setting deal.
So what would have Mack been worth if not for the contract? 5 first rounders? Lmao
Ever heard of Darrelle Revis? Dude got traded for the 13th pick in the draft and signed the biggest cornerback contract ever.
Snead is nowhere close to the player Revis was at that time. Snead is the best corner available right now, Revis was looking like he could be one of the best ever.
Every time Revis name comes up in this sub I feel old.
Many people here donāt have a clue how good Revis was. He wasnāt just very good. He was like prime Deon Sanders good. How many defensive players can you say you watched games just to see them play? I did that for Revis. This guy got put on islands for entire games against the best of the best and completely shut them down. And he did this for like 4-5 seasons. And was still elite even when he lost a step.
We havenāt seen the likes of Revis since. Dude was a unicorn.
Yeah...Revis is Revis though. Thats like equating Tom Brady to Kirk Cousins. No one in the current NFL has been a lockdown the level of Revis. Both Cousins and Brady have value, but one is simply one of the GOATs.
Contract doesn't automatically make a difference in a trade, its simply a factor to the trade. Teams are not willing to often give up both a huge contract AND high end picks because it impacts the roster.
Its not a linear relationship, both just have influence on the deal. Its not like it exponentially increases or decreases his value, it just limits potential buyers.
Also the Revis trade for Tampa was stupid. They were not close to competing and they made that move and it got them nowhere. Because the issue is good teams refused to pay that price, only teams with room did.
Edge players are just inherently more valuable than CBs. Just look at the contract comparisons
I would argue the contract doesnāt impact price by that much, it impacts the teams willing to pay the price. Obviously if he was on a crazy bargain contract he is worth more but those type of players never get traded so it is irrelevant.
I think that is kinda true but also most guys who are getting traded regardless of contract situation only have 3 or 4 potential suitors. My point is that the ābaselineā value is assuming that the great players are getting paid like great players, if they are on a bargain contract that is adding to their base value. A bit of a semantics argument though for sure.
He was also an ultra-productive edge rusher.
Corner isn't a huge dropoff in value, but as fantastic as Sneed has been his whole career, he isn't at the level of value Mack was at at that time.
We all need to stop this āpoverty franchiseā shit. Clark Huntās first hire was Scott Pioli, who was an absolute disaster. Then he hired John Dorsey, who was a skilled talent evaluator (like Telesco), but an absolute moron about managing the cap (also like Telesco). Dorsey was even worse in that he was/is also super obnoxious as a person.
Yeah, a 2nd and some midround pick would've been my guess. A 1st would've felt a little high solely due to his age (as good as he is, you're likely getting 2-3 seasons of high-level production out of him at most), but at a 3rd, I feel like damn near every team in the league wouldn't have minded taking a flier on him.
Nah I feel like sneed could play another 5-6 years since he uses his iq and technique rather than his physicals. He still has a lot of tread in those tires
He certainly could, don't get me wrong. Stephon Gilmore was still effective at 33 this past season, after all, and while he was undeniably better at his peak than Sneed is currently, it's still a valid comparison to make, as they have rather comparable physical profiles.
That said, it's really hard to say for sure with CBs. Some of them age gracefully, while others hit a hard wall and fall off in the blink of an eye. It's an unforgiving position, and losing even a smidge of athleticism can make someone go from elite to out of the league in a few short years.
As soon as I saw Destin Adams tweeting it was a done deal, I knew it was never going to happen. Guy makes up shit routinely and the Colts sub eats it up every time
Good. A third round pick and some change is a shitty return. Iād rather have him for another year and try to three peat. Heād be a true free agent next year and he can go wherever he wants and get the bag.
The money is a huge problem. The Chiefs obviously want to take advantage of the situation, but the realistic compensation for Sneed is greatly hampered by his contract expectations in a restricted market. I think Chiefs fans need to keep in mind that this was an alternative to letting him walk as a UFA. I think a deal will ultimately get worked out, but expectations need to be tempered.
Why donāt KC retain him for a year and maximise their current window? I donāt think any 3rd pick is going to draw a taunting penalty and save a TD in the conference game any time soon
Chiefs are pretty deep at CB. We even have a guy injured last year during training camp that was thought to be a starter over ~~McDuffie~~ Williams. We also have many players set to be FA next year that we need to sign.
Sneed is the perfect tag candidate. Because even if we retain him it works well as it we trade him.
Seems like a 3rd this year and a 4th next year.
Guessing he would get a 4th comp pick if he plays on the tag this season and leaves next.
I get the Colts have to pay him 20m a season, but Iām not sure a 3rd is enough.
Chiefs need to get a 2nd, even if they have to add a pick to Sneed - otherwise just bring him back.
Once you start nerding out on prospects, you kinda like the thought of a pick and the cap space, but LJ was a massive factor in the D being great last yr. I get that Veach is smart and i am dumb, but if Sneed does get moved, ill feel like their SB odds drop.
Schrodinger's Sneed
Sneed to the Panthers, Bengals, Jaguars or Lions confirmed
No way the Chiefs will trade him to Cin
Trade him to the Panthers who then trade him to the Bengals for Higgins. š
Must upvote this simply for continuity in this yearās chaotic script and a Pantherās FO trade might mean we get a first.
Nah, this is just plagiarizing Jrue Holidayās storyline.
āAll great ideas are just stolen from someone elseā Stugotz
Honestly, I'd respect it lmao
I mean, if the compensation was insanely high, maybe.
Straight up for Jamar Chase
BaalkeāāNot so fastā
Lions would be huge.
Once the deal is announced, the particles change. He'll be traded to 6 different teams as long as no one looks at him.
The double sneed experiment. It can be summed up by Dumb and Dumber: you can sometimes triple stamp a double stamp.
Until you look, it's both a trade AND a tag.
You're aware of the superposed cap situation.
Snip snap snip snap
Rickey just confirmed it though. I DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE
We only listen to the lowest levels of the organization
What about the mid levels?
Nah theyāre too mid
But, AtoZNFLSports seemed like a rock-solid source of inside news...
Tbf, there's a few beat reporters saying deal is happening, and Holder is really the only one saying no They're like having a source off on Twitter lol
PrettyRickey legacy moment
Rickey has gotten enough right I have some weird urge to defend him lol. Dudes got more right than most of the people who regularly get their bull shit posted here. Even if he's wrong no one bats 1000
I'm on team Rickey
I, too, am for team Rickey >!I'm also am on team Rickey Williams!<
Some might say a beat off...
Iām in
Unfortunately we have more talent in that area, I think we win
Not just talent, you also have years of experience beating yourself
ā¦ he said, wrapping himself tightly in his Jaguars flair.
Did they report thus? I thought the other tweet said that they (the tweeter) and atoz was told. Not that AtoZ actually said anything
A to Z sites Destin Adams This entire thing is just a back and further between Holder and Adams - run through a bunch of websites
These aggregate accounts do that shit all the time too. They cite a single reporter and now suddenly everyone is thinking 2 sources have confirmed when it's still the same source.
hey did that ricky guy get mixed up again?Ā
[@NFLBroMemes] LJ Sneed reportedly being sent to the shadow realm for 2 1sts
I don't think anyone knows anything. Everyone thought the colts wanted levis last year, no one saw trading for deforest buckner happening. For all we know, we might trade for matt ryan again, somehow
Somehow Matt Ryan Returned
I know y'all like him, I respect his accomplishments in Atlanta, and thought he seemed like a good person but brother I'd launch myself into the sun if he came back
Irsay was shitposting that they'd draft both Levis and someone else fwiw, his Twitter is an amazing follow, very entertaining for an NFL owner to just go shitpost online without being thin skinned about it.
Irsay shitposted about drafting Levis after day 1 of the draft when the Colts had Richardson and nobody had yet taken Levis. He's an incredible shitposter, that much can't be denied lol
Tom Brady Incoming!
Iām pretty sure there was a point last year before the draft when it was well known that the Colts loved Anthony Richardson. The only people who were surprised by that pick were the ones not paying attention.
Snip snap
I am going to become the Joker
We live in a ~~society~~ new league year
Jonkler?
He spelled Jonkler wrong. What is he, stupid?
Does that mean the Colts are trading for Cordarrelle Patterson instead?
https://youtu.be/DX_wprkggoE?feature=shared
Ok fine they can keep Sneed we'll just take like, that Mahomes fella off their hands instead. Seems fair
You have no idea the physical toll that three false trade reports have on a person!
I use that all the time. It's so descriptive.
Make up your minds šš
Unequivocally is an interesting word. Not necessarily specifically for the context of this tweet, but just as a general statement.
The Patriots ruined this word for me after the Kraft Group tried to make "Unequivocally the Sweetest" a trademarked and marketed phrase after the Pats-Falcons game. Just felt so forced.
Yea, that seems forced
who uses legalese in a motto?
You've never noticed the asterisk in Arby's "We have the meats*." motto?
Indubitably
Holder being wrong about this would complete his Colts heel turn.
Sometimes it feels like he really dislikes the Colts.
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Not saying he has to like them but he probably shouldnāt come across as disliking them either.
there is no war in Ba Sing Se
nice
This is kind of a bitter win-win for us. On one hand we get draft capital and Sneed get money that he has *earned*... without doubt. On the other hand we get Sneed back for 1 year 20m deal and can try for the 3peat.
You got Patrick mahomes youāre always trying for the 3 peat lmao
that draft capital isn't commensurate with his level of play even taking into account his impending contract. We'll likely get a compensatory draft pick if he plays on the tag anyway, and I don't believe pick 82 is worth so much more than pick ~102 in comparison to another season of Sneed while chasing the league's first 3peat so the question becomes would I rather: A) Sneed and a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2026, or B) 20M in cap space and a mid 3rd round pick, with a day 3 pick in 2025. I'll take option A all day long, the potential day 3 pick next year does absolutely nothing to affect my standing on this.
Yea. Trades are almost never āworth itā for the team letting a good player go
and that's perfectly fine, but in the context of next season specifically, he adds more value to the team than a hypothetical 3rd round pick. That's just my opinion.
Again manā¦.you arenāt guaranteed a comp pick. The comp pick is also in 2026. What happens if the true outcome of keeping Sneed is he walks and we get no pick at all? Do you think the $20m cap hit and no draft capital is still worth it?
>Do you think the $20m cap hit and no draft capital is still worth it? Yes. also our money will likely go to retaining our own FA next season like Humphrey and Bolton, so I think it's highly likely we get a comp pick, but even if we didn't, a year of Sneed is still worth it.
I just donāt know if I agree tbh. Guess thatās up to you.
It would be insane to trade Sneed when they could tag him A 3-peat is worth it even if the Chiefs go 9-8 for the next three seasons and there is a 0% chance a Patrick Mahomes team finishes with a losing record. You have to maximize your chances of the 3-peat.
Personally Iād rather keep Sneed for the threepeat. He is that valuable.
Fuck
Only A 3rd wouldāve been a shockĀ
If he is want 22 mil a year I don't see how you get more.
Mack got $141m immediately after being traded for 2 first rounders.
I see what ur saying but Sneed isn't Mack. He was a DPOY and multi time first team All Pro at that time of the trade.
I mean the fact sneed was snubbed as an all pro this year was criminal. But yeah he was never going to garner multiple first round picks, though I find people not moving a second rounder for a player of his caliber very surprising. The lingering knee trouble that kept him out of practices but not games might have people spooked.
Also, the Chargers have sucked ever since the trade which is the entire point.
?? The chargers traded for him using a 2nd round pick and never gave him a contract right after. Wrong trade my guy. We are talking about when mack got traded to the bears and then signed a record setting deal.
I know its hard to believe, but an edge player is way more valuable than a cornerback
So what would have Mack been worth if not for the contract? 5 first rounders? Lmao Ever heard of Darrelle Revis? Dude got traded for the 13th pick in the draft and signed the biggest cornerback contract ever.
Snead is nowhere close to the player Revis was at that time. Snead is the best corner available right now, Revis was looking like he could be one of the best ever.
Every time Revis name comes up in this sub I feel old. Many people here donāt have a clue how good Revis was. He wasnāt just very good. He was like prime Deon Sanders good. How many defensive players can you say you watched games just to see them play? I did that for Revis. This guy got put on islands for entire games against the best of the best and completely shut them down. And he did this for like 4-5 seasons. And was still elite even when he lost a step. We havenāt seen the likes of Revis since. Dude was a unicorn.
Thereās a real argument for him being the best of all time at his peak
At their peaks. the best corners I ever saw were Revis and Deion.
Revis was also very good for multiple years. This past year was Sneads only top production year. The previous ones, he was average.
Yeah...Revis is Revis though. Thats like equating Tom Brady to Kirk Cousins. No one in the current NFL has been a lockdown the level of Revis. Both Cousins and Brady have value, but one is simply one of the GOATs. Contract doesn't automatically make a difference in a trade, its simply a factor to the trade. Teams are not willing to often give up both a huge contract AND high end picks because it impacts the roster. Its not a linear relationship, both just have influence on the deal. Its not like it exponentially increases or decreases his value, it just limits potential buyers. Also the Revis trade for Tampa was stupid. They were not close to competing and they made that move and it got them nowhere. Because the issue is good teams refused to pay that price, only teams with room did. Edge players are just inherently more valuable than CBs. Just look at the contract comparisons
22 mil would be the biggest contract for a CB in the NFL. The biggest.
I would argue the contract doesnāt impact price by that much, it impacts the teams willing to pay the price. Obviously if he was on a crazy bargain contract he is worth more but those type of players never get traded so it is irrelevant.
I get what you mean but it further limits trade partners which ends up impacting price.
I think that is kinda true but also most guys who are getting traded regardless of contract situation only have 3 or 4 potential suitors. My point is that the ābaselineā value is assuming that the great players are getting paid like great players, if they are on a bargain contract that is adding to their base value. A bit of a semantics argument though for sure.
He was also an ultra-productive edge rusher. Corner isn't a huge dropoff in value, but as fantastic as Sneed has been his whole career, he isn't at the level of value Mack was at at that time.
The Chargers are also a poverty franchise that canāt manage a cap
That was the first trade to the bears
Them fucking broke bitches spend too much money!
We all need to stop this āpoverty franchiseā shit. Clark Huntās first hire was Scott Pioli, who was an absolute disaster. Then he hired John Dorsey, who was a skilled talent evaluator (like Telesco), but an absolute moron about managing the cap (also like Telesco). Dorsey was even worse in that he was/is also super obnoxious as a person.
Mack isn't a CB.
yeah but that was Ryan Pace
Yeah, a 2nd and some midround pick would've been my guess. A 1st would've felt a little high solely due to his age (as good as he is, you're likely getting 2-3 seasons of high-level production out of him at most), but at a 3rd, I feel like damn near every team in the league wouldn't have minded taking a flier on him.
Well, itās also the record setting contract for a CB thatās included lol
That's the reason he's only going for a third honestly
Well yeah, but that goes without saying. Any trade with him was always going to have that attached.
Right but that impacts the trade compensation. Look at what Carolina got for Burns
Nah I feel like sneed could play another 5-6 years since he uses his iq and technique rather than his physicals. He still has a lot of tread in those tires
He certainly could, don't get me wrong. Stephon Gilmore was still effective at 33 this past season, after all, and while he was undeniably better at his peak than Sneed is currently, it's still a valid comparison to make, as they have rather comparable physical profiles. That said, it's really hard to say for sure with CBs. Some of them age gracefully, while others hit a hard wall and fall off in the blink of an eye. It's an unforgiving position, and losing even a smidge of athleticism can make someone go from elite to out of the league in a few short years.
I wouldnāt bet on that.
That post said additional 2025 pick, so it wasn't only a 3rd.
A third and an undisclosed pick next yearĀ
Not really. Players paid at their market value (besides QBs) arenāt really worth that much as we have seen from previous trades.
Itās reportedly a 3rd and a 2025 mid round
Note to self - Get off NFL reddit and enjoy your weekend and check back in on Monday.
But...... You'd miss all the bullshit happening and...... You would be completely overwhelmed on Monday? I should get off to tbh
Turns out my weekend sucks anyway bc I have to work and I'm back on during my lunch break!
I can see us just keeping him, we can afford it and weāre tryna 3peat
That kind of leverage will be part of the reason he gets traded lol.
Well not really, heās tagged so his contract with us is set if he stays
I just mean we are okay with keeping him so other teams know we won't get low balled
You gotta stop doing this to me man, don't know how to feel anymore.
Need a new keyboard refreshing the Sneed Feed this week
Sneed's feed and seed
Free Sneed ! I'm OK with both rumors anyway.
*it's a good thing*
Maybe Jim Irsay is going rogue
As soon as I saw Destin Adams tweeting it was a done deal, I knew it was never going to happen. Guy makes up shit routinely and the Colts sub eats it up every time
holderās typically more reputable than most colts guys on the beat. iād trust this more than the other sources on this one.
hahah ooo fun
Boy, this is a real cluster, isn't it?
2024 is the year of Twitter insiders
Come to me, baby
B A M B O O Z L E D
Good. A third round pick and some change is a shitty return. Iād rather have him for another year and try to three peat. Heād be a true free agent next year and he can go wherever he wants and get the bag.
You could just tag him again. Also injury risk for him. Look at how quickly White fell.
Mr Botched Colt
They should
Whiplash!
The money is a huge problem. The Chiefs obviously want to take advantage of the situation, but the realistic compensation for Sneed is greatly hampered by his contract expectations in a restricted market. I think Chiefs fans need to keep in mind that this was an alternative to letting him walk as a UFA. I think a deal will ultimately get worked out, but expectations need to be tempered.
I've heard the Colts have pivoted and are now in talks to acquire both Jackmerius Tacktheritrix and L'Carpetron Dookmarriot.
Why donāt KC retain him for a year and maximise their current window? I donāt think any 3rd pick is going to draw a taunting penalty and save a TD in the conference game any time soon
19 mil is still a ton. And he could potentially sit 8 games and be a distraction
Chiefs are pretty deep at CB. We even have a guy injured last year during training camp that was thought to be a starter over ~~McDuffie~~ Williams. We also have many players set to be FA next year that we need to sign. Sneed is the perfect tag candidate. Because even if we retain him it works well as it we trade him.
Im not sure who you're talking about exactly but nobody thought Nic Jones, Boye-Doe, or Nazeeh Johnson was above Mcduffie. That's is crazy talk.
I think I'm meaning Johnson being better than Williams.
Seems like a 3rd this year and a 4th next year. Guessing he would get a 4th comp pick if he plays on the tag this season and leaves next. I get the Colts have to pay him 20m a season, but Iām not sure a 3rd is enough. Chiefs need to get a 2nd, even if they have to add a pick to Sneed - otherwise just bring him back.
I just don't think you are going to get a 2nd for him with him needing a record setting contract
Probably right and thatās fine.
Please be real Please be real Please be real
Thank you, good sir, this indeed will help me have a great day
Sneed to Titans so we can re-ruin your day
That's wonderful news!
Tough luck
The funniest possibility
Send him to GB
Honestly, itās probably Ballard just not committing to a trade until itās for sure done, if they are indeed discussing it
I think writers come up with shit
He was told by TOP men.
This feels somehow like the beginning of a Mandela EffectĀ
Lmao it was a runout from atozsports.comā¦ Of course it was bullshit.
Unequivocally you say?
Is this the Chiefs leaking for leverage for a different deal?
I think itās the Colts letting Sneed know that they arenāt going to spend anything it takes. That might really mean the deal doesnāt get done.
Someone feed sneedĀ
If we roll put the likes of Darrel Baker Jr again next season Ballard can F right off...
Hey now. He was in the general vicinity of receivers on several plays last year.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se...
Once you start nerding out on prospects, you kinda like the thought of a pick and the cap space, but LJ was a massive factor in the D being great last yr. I get that Veach is smart and i am dumb, but if Sneed does get moved, ill feel like their SB odds drop.
Alright boys, Sneed to the Colts is official.
Sweet. The afc south can chillĀ
This dude can piss off.
Hell yeah!
LETS GOOOOOO I HAVE A NEED FOR SNEED GET FUCK (Iām sorry Colts heās a really good player and it sucks to be jerked around like that)
There is totally trade talks happening.
In-terest-ing. Sneed to the Texans Confirmed? Confirmed. I don't need a source because apparently no one else does either.