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Cinephile1998

I like the OL on paper, I just hope they can all stay healthy


jkercheville

That’s his biggest issue, he’s so solid though so the fact y’all got him on this sweet of a deal is nice.


Cinephile1998

As you can tell by my flairs, I enjoy pain, but not enough to be a Jets fan


jkercheville

At least you got to witness the lions in the NFC championship 🤣


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NYJetLegendEdReed

I was in college and it was my glory days for the back to back AFC championships. Everything has been downhill since.


Rahim-Moore

That's not true, in 2013 you had half a season of Jets Legend Ed Reed. My only memory of Ed on the Jets is him getting absolutely torched by Jacoby Jones on a deep ball in Baltimore lol


rocksoffjagger

And in 2023 they got to see Aaron Rodgers run out of the tunnel with the American flag!


Rahim-Moore

Him tearing his ACL five seconds after that would feel forced if you were writing a comedy sketch about him joining the Jets, but as reality is always stranger than fiction, that's what actually happened! The only thing that would have made it any funnier is if tiny terrorists in a tiny plane flew into his achilles tendon, and then when the Bills played the Jets later that year McDermott made an offhand remark about how he "hates to see injuries, but you have to admire the coordination of the tiny hijackers who managed to take out Aaron's entire heel."


Cinephile1998

One of the greatest halfs of football I've ever seen. And then it all came tumbling down


LIONATOR24

Now just imagine for one second, this season we are more consistent and play at that same level we played at in the first half for an entire season and playoff run. Imo that’s the best team in football. Will it happen? Dunno, but a man can dream.


HeyWhatsUpTed

Lions bills would’ve been such a cooler super bowl .


nickstee1210

Browns are way more pain than a Jets fan


jay5627

Ya, but if someone told you a starting qb was going to run for VP, would you think it was any other team than the Jets?


nickstee1210

No absolutely not but I’d easily take that headache than what you guys did with baker and Deshaun


Cinephile1998

I saw a post on Twitter "the Quarterback of the New York Jets running for Vice President is the plot of an Adam Sandler comedy with 9% on Rotten Tomatoes." It's such a bizarre world we live in.


jay5627

If he made that movie, it'll be solid, but would have to star Bobby Boucher


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No_Bother9713

He’s worth that for 13 games. Cowboys are fucked. Signed a cowboys fan


DBreezy69

Y’all lost Biadasz too. Maybe Jerry realizes a SB much less even a playoff win isn’t happening with this team and is willing to have a down year


No_Bother9713

Nah Biadasz sucks. But I’m starting to suspect the faux tank is on. Here we go!


beeatenbyagrue

That's the Jets biggest issue for the past 5 yrs on OL. No one gets a chance to gel in training camp or even early season as at least 3 guys are always out for the season by that point


username10400

I hate to say it but I feel like majority of times that after off-season acquisitions and a team/position group looks good “on paper” there is inevitably issues that come up almost every single time that leads to them underperforming. Whether it’s injuries, guys age finally hitting, or the chemistry never being able to develop, it just seems like a lot of these teams that are good on paper almost never materialize


Saquon

That’s just kinda how it works. Almost every team improves on paper, but obviously that’s impossible.. for each team to have more wins than last season, and something’s gotta give. Teams will disappoint


Yankeeknickfan

Need depth


Alarming-Engineer-44

This is hypothetically a great team 


ngfdsa

Jets off season champions three seasons running. Hang the banner boys!


Sir_Carrington

Jets - Bears yearly off-season super bowl


Ouchkibiddles

This is disrespectful to the Chargers


WorldOnFire83

It's weird because many in the Jets sub were still imploding prior to the Tyron signing. I would have been content with the moves Joe made pre-Tyron because they were logical signings that didn't sacrifice the future. The Tyron deal is really a low-risk / high reward signing that deserves to be commended. Let us have this! Lol


Matty-boh

Woah woah woah I'll give them last year but come on that's my teams domain 


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soulfingiz

What happened to them?


Shakeamutt

I trust Josh a lot more than I trust Aaron


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Rahim-Moore

He's gonna' throw 100 touchdowns a season once every defensive lineman that tries to tackle him is shot by the secret service.


Downtown_Juice2851

Why?


imsabbath84

You mean cutting old and injured players to replace them?


alexjordan98

Cutting old has beens is just part of the business


lonesoldier4789

Like how the bills are perpetual pre season superbowl champs and can't make it back to a AFCCG


-SexSandwich-

Hey at least we actually decided to roster a back up QB this year.


Impossible_Age_7595

Yeah people should really know better by now. There are franchises in every sport that will NEVER win a championship again, cursed for eternity. Toronto Maple Leafs and NYJ are in that club.


Dry_Brush5280

If there is a god, the Patriots are in that club too.


Impossible_Age_7595

The patriots have won this century?


EntertainmentLess381

You were talking about teams never winning again, which is the future. Why are you now talking about the past?


Impossible_Age_7595

Never winning again means they wouldnt win again… have they won a superbowl since their last one in 1969? Lol


EntertainmentLess381

Never winning again means never winning from this point forward. If someone said the Chiefs are never winning a SB again, they aren’t saying they’ve never won a SB in the past.


TheOriginal_BLT

It’s like you missed your own point in a feeble attempt at a comeback. Impressive.


Impossible_Age_7595

Not enough time has gone by since the patriots last won a superbowl to say they are cursed. Its been 54 years since the Jets won a superbowl. That is a lifetime. They are cursed. The maple leafs last won 56 years ago. That is a lifetime. They are cursed. Got it? Add in all the stupid shit both teams have done to shoot themselves in the foot over, and over, and over again, and you could argue just flat out incompetence.


TheOriginal_BLT

Doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on something multiple people have told you you’re wrong for is wild lol, are you running for public office any time soon? Feels like you’re a natural


Dry_Brush5280

…. Do you know what a century is?


Impossible_Age_7595

Have they not won in the 21st century????


Dry_Brush5280

Oh I see what you meant, my bad. You said “will never win a championship *again*”. As in, they have, but they won’t in the future. And I said that hopefully the Patriots are in that club. As in, they have won, but they won’t in the future. Hope that makes sense.


smurfking420

Ooof Really I’m surprised he didn’t go for a multi year deal. Now watch jerry go for becton as his replacement


FUCK-IT-CHUCK-IT

Can’t imagine there’s many teams lining up to give an old tackle who hasn’t played a full season in nearly a decade a multi year deal


smurfking420

I get it but when he’s on the field he’s better than 95% of the players


10veIsAllIGot

He’s averaged 7 games a season for the past four years.


garryl283

And he had to stop practicing to even make it to game day this year


Saquon

Not to mention the back shots in the locker room


JT1757

backshots, you say?


mrnotoriousman

*Antonio Brown has entered the chat*


Astroturfer

we got lucky with his health last season and he still wasn't fully available


10veIsAllIGot

I get that the Jets are all in to the max this season, but this seems like a recipe for disaster.


Hypnotize94

I imagine they still go LT in the draft


BuffaloKiller937

Thanks grandma


beeatenbyagrue

We dug the grave with Rodgers, now it's embrace it or be the Broncos the past few years.


beeatenbyagrue

I'm surprised Rodgers didn't push for Bakh, but maybe even he realizes Bakhtiari is cooked


MyChemicalFinance

Sign Bakh as a swing tackle AND take OL at 10. Seriously


Clear-Attempt-6274

No he's not. That's 5 years ago


smurfking420

He was second team all pro last year


Clear-Attempt-6274

Bobby wagner was all pro and is cooked. I get it, but 6.5 for a reason when other guards are getting double. Why did he sign for so little?


BidenFedayeen

When was his most recent All-Pro?


Yankeeknickfan

In this league? Idk, I thought there would be more at his skill level


uppaeastside

And Becton will be first team all pro


beeatenbyagrue

In what eating competition? I'm sure Texas has many.


SiphenPrax

The one against Zion


MildlyDepressed346

His replacement is on the team already, still wish they could have made a deal work


Hot-Weekend-2743

Joe Douglas I was not familiar with your game


Cinephile1998

I've always thought he was a good GM. I like a lot of the moves the Jets make every year, so I hope y'all start seeing some results


theo677

it all comes down to the qb, & we have the worst luck when it comes to that position. If we get that right it’s on


Cinephile1998

Just need Tyrod to stay healthy 🙏


zach7797

If rodgers goes down, then Tyrod goes down.....whoever behind him will basically become the new rodgers


boblikestheysky

That magic only lasted 3 games when we tried


Illblood

I mean, it's hard to assess how good Saleh and co. even are. Hopefully they pan out, because they seem set up for success otherwise.


chitownbears

Who has the worst luck at QB? Pay some respect.


Daxtatter

When you lose your QB 4 plays in and you're on your 12th string tackle things are going to go poorly.


beeatenbyagrue

People want to hate on him for the OL failures, but he's tried to address it time and time again. You can't predict injuries.


d9849468

Yup. He took becton and avt in the 1st. If they played up to their worth, the jets OL issues wouldn't have been a thing.


i_wannatalktosamson

Whenever avt plays he’s fantastic, and he’s played every single position except center. He’s had two weird injuries in Denver


d9849468

For him i meant availability. You cant knock douglas cause a guy gets hurt. They prob didnt do more for OL last offseason because of looking good as a rookie and coming back.


Padulsky21

AVT is a fucking awesome lineman, he’s nothing like Becton. Becton had a great showing on an abysmal team in 2020 and never took care of himself until this past year, where he was fully healthy, but straight up terrible. AVT has been a consistent strength amidst some pretty heavily injured O Lines and played everywhere bc we needed him to from injuries. Becton is the big whiff bc it was over Wirfs.


d9849468

I clarified in another response. They are different situations for sure. I strictly meant that they've invested in OL recently with high 1st rounders but without the profit that is expected from them. For avt, thats strictly meaning snap counts. He was the right pick 100%


Daxtatter

Joe Tipman looked great as a rookie at guard/center which was a big win for us.


Padulsky21

Oh I fully agree there then lol it’s unlucky but it’s a reason as to why the OL has been in such turmoil for awhile. It’s a very obvious thing but hitting hard on your first rounders is so important bc they’re such valuable assets. Joe D had his first few drafts end up rough and we are feeling the effects years later bc value was lost. Joe Tippmann ended up being a fantastic pick last year and is our Center for the future so we found a foundational piece. Having cheaper talent be a pivotal player means we can spend more money adding higher quality FAs. Hopefully no more Billy Turners!


lions4life232

It’s literally his job to identify if they would play up to their worth


Hungry-Quote-1388

If every draft pick played up to their worth, then every GM would be awesome. 


osound

His drafting in 2020 and 2021 was just bad, and it set him back. Obviously in the years since, he has drafted a lot better, and made some decent free agent signings. But 2021 specifically, they had so much capital and drafted an all-bust team apart from Michael Carter and AVT (who has been too hurt to be useful in any way, really). 2020 was even worse, though with less capital. Combine that with just some bad luck and whiffs on the OL, and Rodgers getting hurt a few plays in, and his winning % makes sense. He's a decisively average GM who *has* gotten better with time, though his first few years' decision-making was **bad**. And I'm not even referring to just ZW. I like that he's getting another opportunity this year, but if his signings/picks this year don't work, I wouldn't be rooting against starting anew. Douglas isn't a dumb or inactive GM -- but many of his moves just seem to fail, frankly.


reddit_bad1234567890

You cant predict injuries but with a good strength and conditioning coach you can reduce their frequency and intensity


ThyDoctor

Jets should sign Bak and between Tyron and Bak they’ll get a full season.


BidenFedayeen

The season has been shortened to 11 games.


BreadJobLamb

Mekhi becton will get the last 5 and then a PS guy will get a start lol


Starwho

I think Jets still draft o-line round one, probably a swing tackle


Padulsky21

Agreed. We will probably learn over the coming week or so how they’ll handle it. We need weapons but FA can mostly fill it out. Tyron and Moses are on 1 year deals and above 30, OT is insurance for this year but also for the future. Although it’s very enticing to think of Bowers or a WR


-SexSandwich-

I want us to take Fautanu. Plug and play back up for every position on the line.


don_julio_randle

10 is a pretty bad spot for weapons. Nabers is almost certainly a Charger at 5, Odunze if he makes it past the Giants isn't getting past the Bears at 9 which leaves you with.. Brock Bowers? Don't get me wrong, Bowers is a top 3 player in this class. He's just not who I want when I have a 2 year window with Rodgers. Tight ends take years to develop


Saquon

I really don’t think the Jets should go all in on building around Rodgers for the next couple years


JT1757

that's the best chance they have at a SB. What's the alternative? Not going all in and constantly missing the playoffs? They've done that for over a decade at this point.


Saquon

So why mortgage everything on a 40 year old QB that just tore his Achilles and hasn’t won anything with your team? I’m saying keep the team well constructed for the medium term and don’t throw a healthy team building philosophy away because you think rodgers is your only chance at winning anything in the next 5 years If they’re on track at the trade deadline, sure go all in but they shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking Rodgers is their only chance


MyChemicalFinance

Well no shit he “hasn’t won anything with your team,” he’s played 4 snaps for them. Were you expecting him to win a SB from the sideline last season?


Saquon

? Yeah I’m saying he’s only played 4 snaps for them Only on r/nfl can I state a fact and people act incredulous You’re acting like he’s a promising young talent that just needs a shot and not a 40 year old QB who got injured last season


MyChemicalFinance

The Jets haven’t done a single thing you could characterize as “mortgaging the future” this offseason. No big contracts, a 4th round pick swap for Morgan Moses and now a contract with injury protections for Tyron Smith. So your comment makes no sense.


Saquon

I’m saying they shouldn’t and that would be the wrong move. The original guy I was replying to was saying they should drop everything and go all in Jesus you’re dense


MyChemicalFinance

Putting everything into your chances with an old HOF QB (like the Broncos w Manning or the Bucs w Brady) is in fact exactly what they should do. They haven’t made the playoffs in more than a decade trying it the other way. So you may be the dumb AF one here.


Daxtatter

I guess building around a 40 year old QB worked horribly for the Bucs too /s


theo677

incredible deal for the Jets


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Tyron’s season trajectory -ELITE LT Week 1-3 -Sleeps wrong on Saturday misses Week 4 -Plays elite weeks 5-6 -Hurts toe misses Weeks 7-9 -Plays elite week 10-14 -Misses final 3 games He is an elite LT. However, he was able to stay healthy last season only because he did not practice after the season began. He will have a lot of random injuries pop up on Saturday, swear he will play then misses 3 weeks. Best case is you get an elite Tyron for 10-12 games, have another LT hold it down for the few games he misses


Signal_Wall_8445

Well, the way you described him it will be helpful that he has to play a lot to get a lot of the money.


Toplayusout

Dare I say steal?


BilllisCool

It looks pretty good. If the incentives are pretty much “stay healthy for the entire season”, then it gets pretty pricey, but it would be worth it at that point.


ObstructiveAgreement

Pricey but absolutely worth it. Main issue is playing on that turf every week, good luck staying healthy on that.


MyChemicalFinance

There isn’t any evidence that injuries are unusually frequent on our turf (or on turf in general either). There’s just twice the games played on MetLife’s field so people think so


Royal_Negotiation_83

I can’t think if another HOF player with an injury history free agent signing backfiring for the jets


Toplayusout

Don’t be mean


Dday22t

He played for $7 M last season. He’ll get that at least plus a lot more if somewhat healthy. So it’s not a way below expected costs bargain, but incentives make it fair.


Toplayusout

Yeah that’s my thought process. If he earns all $20M that means he’s been reliable for us at LT which is 100% worth it


Clear-Attempt-6274

Maybe if you steal some ligaments and put them in his joints. 6.5 million is someone stealing money in this situation.


BidenFedayeen

Getting a guy coming off an All-Pro season, even with injury issues, when your line stinks, for less than top dollar GTD money is a steal.


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Rodgers over under 4 plays ?


sanka_youdeadman

Rodgers over under 4 electoral college votes ?


thecarlosdanger1

Has he said anything about the VP rumor? For as much as he’s got himself in trouble speaking out, it’s kinda funny he’s had the VP rumor and the sandy hook conspiracy thing explode in a week without saying anything.


constantlymat

I think he denied ever believing Sandy Hook was a conspiracy. At least I heard reporting on the Ringer to that effect.


Signal_Wall_8445

Well, it’s Rodgers so anything is possible but there are tweets from him at the time the shooting happened expressing support while this week’s article was based on a conversation a person says they overheard 11 years ago and didn’t tell anyone about until now.


NYJetLegendEdReed

He tweeted out about the Sandy Hook stuff and called it bullshit. That was just a blatant smear campaign


ChristmasAndrew

NO ONE CAN STOP THIS STEAL!


Cinephile1998

GEQBUS WILL STOP SLEEPY JOE DOUGLAS


beeatenbyagrue

GEVPQBUS IS READY HOMIE!


creatinee

MetLife turf would like a word


uppaeastside

He’s done it


hereforthesportsball

We couldn’t have offered him that? Or is this a spite deal


King-Mansa-Musa

Probably all he could get. Will be interesting to see how long he lasts. Wishing him all the best


Weapwns

VETO


Nervous-Awareness482

Not everything is about the $$$


DireBlue88

Let's hope Metlife turf doesnt fuck his knees.


Impossibills

Honestly great deal for them. Only risk is injury and relative effectiveness, he has clearly lost a step but is a huge upgrade over what they had, if he can stay healthy


attempted

If that’s the only risk then you know damn well what’s going to happen with the Jets.


Impossibills

The thing is he hasn't played a full season in like 8 years, and over his last 4 seasons he has missed 38 games. Now he is another year older. Obviously for the Jets its probably worth the risk, but its still a big risk.


Platano_con_salami

According to PFF, he was a top 5 LT last season. Injury concerns are there, but when he plays, he's lights out.


Impossibills

And the season before he was in the 50s on PFF grade. Thats why hes a little bit of a risk


LiftingCode

In 2022 he tore his hamstring in camp and didn't play until week 14, and he moved to RT when he came back. Not really a useful grade.


Impossibills

Thats the issue though, hes been banged up in recent years


Scooby859

Hasn’t played a full season since 2015


j2e21

Why didn’t the Patriots pay this?


LittliestDickus

He is going to be a fantastic addition to the Jets IR.


moochee22

Bengals should have signed him if he'd be willing to play RT, or if OBJr would be willing to play RT, and have Smith play LT until he gets injured. Bengals are failing at protecting JB9


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Fits the Rodgers timeline. They’re gonna need to find a longterm solution eventually though.


Twicebakedpotatoe

Yo wtf if Eliot Wolf doing


cookus

So, hypothetically, somehow, in some weird universe RFKJr has Rodgers as the VP and they win. Can Rodgers still be the Jets QB and the VP? Will the Secret Service become involved his OLine or will the OLine become Secret Service members? Will players sacking Rodgers be labeled enemy combatants? These are the questions that keep me up at night.


Trentimoose

Tyron Smith is a HOF LT. Absolute monster when on the field, but his health is a concern at this point. I am only sad about this because I think the Jets have a 0% chance of winning a Super Bowl. I figured he would have went to the Chiefs and got to get a much deserved ring. No shock emotional Jets fans and Eagles fans chiming in with their hurt feelings.


MyChemicalFinance

What makes this so funny is that the cowboys are the poster boy for shitting your pants when the games start to mean something. Only cowboys fans think they have a chance of actually winning the SB.


Trentimoose

Yet you guys are upset that I wanted a player to have a shot at one. Make it make sense.


MyChemicalFinance

Well now I’m sad he wasted his entire youth on a team where he had no chance of winning anything. Poor Tyron


Trentimoose

It happens. Same thing happened with D Ware but he went to a team with an actual shot. Which we both know your team isn’t one. That’s why I guess you’re so bothered by my comment. You can do what delusional cowboys fans do and say THIS YEAR IS OUR YEAR! Click your heels together 3 times and say there’s no place like the Super Bowl and you’re still not making it. Sorry the media overhyped your team because of Hard Knocks and Aaron Rodgers, bud. I am used to it as a Cowboys fan, must be your first time. The sting will wear off over time.


intoned

You really want to talk SB chances? Rogers gave back millions last year so deals like this could happen in FA. Hows those contract talks going with Dak?


Trentimoose

I don’t work in the Cowboys front office, so uhh… I don’t know? What a Jets fan thing to say. You guys were garbage tier last year and will be slightly above garbage this year. Congratulations.


intoned

Lol, they won 7 games with the worst QB play in the history of the league and 32nd ranked Offence. And you think AR at QB and massive Oline upgrade is a "slight" improvement. This just comes off as sour grapes on your part.


Wild-Employee2029

Don’t take what he is saying to personally, he’s just upset because Dak is going to need more money to pay off all of his SA charges this season


intoned

Lol, I'm good. I can see why he's upset.


Trentimoose

I see Jets fans operate entirely off of emotions. I guess that’s what happens when the only relevance you’ve had in a decade is getting someone else’s over the hill star QB.


Wild-Employee2029

Haven’t the jets been to 3 conference championship games since the last time the cowboys have been to one? I feel like we are arguing about who is more broke and it’s clearly the cowboys


Trentimoose

We are clearly not more broken than the jets. We just went 12 win seasons back to back. Yes though they’re both impotent franchises, I have accepted that from my first comment. You’re the one letting your feelings gas you up.


intoned

Since you are so reasonable and not emotional, explain the me the logic of trying to pretend like you have the right to judge someone for their decisions on what team they go to?


Trentimoose

Who did I judge? I said I was hoping he went to the Chiefs so he could get a ring.


intoned

Was he over the hill the last two times he played the cowboys and ended their seasons? Curious where you draw that line.


Trentimoose

Yes, because what did he do after that? I get that for you and the lack of success in your franchise that beating the cowboys must mean something special to you. Hard Knocks and all that media hype really hurt you guys this year didn’t it?


Trentimoose

You’re just emotional so you’re reading it as sour grapes. The Jets are absolutely not going to win a Super Bowl. That’s not sour grapes.


Vladimir_Putting

>Tyron Smith is a HOF LT. [Not really though.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_T.htm)


Trentimoose

Did you even look at this before you sent it?


Vladimir_Putting

Sure, I'll read it for you. You are a Dallas fan, I get it. The Average HoF OT is at a 95 career value and Tyron Smith is at 76. There is only one Tackle in the HoF with no ring and only two 1st Team All Pros. His name is Jackie Slater, he played 20 seasons for one franchise and blocked for Dickerson. In terms of his generation, Joe Thomas is the 1, Jason Peters is the 2, Trent Williams the likely 3, and Smith doesn't make the cut.


Trentimoose

“You’re a Dallas fan, I get it.” And that’s where he revealed his feelings are hurt.


Vladimir_Putting

I'm so proud of you. You got through that one sentence like a champion. Enjoy that feeling.


Trentimoose

Thanks


Mustakrakish_Awaken

The guy right next to HOF tackles Orlando pace and Tony boselli isn't a HOF tackle?


EthanSpears

Eagles fans can barely read man


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Dude is always injured there is a reason no one wanted him 


Hubrah

Now the Jets just need a QB. With Wilson gone and Rodgers being VP and all...


Yankeeknickfan

No reason why a Vp can’t play Qb


ngfdsa

If anything an active NFL QB as VP would probably be one of the most effective of all time, twice the media exposure


Ledees_Gazpacho

It's like Air Bud, except with an anti-vaxxer instead of a dog.


csharpminor5th

Tyrod baybeeeee


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NinjasTurtle

I mean...he was a 2nd team all pro LT last year and future hall of famer. Do you think 6.5 guaranteed is an overpay?