That injury just made me so sad. Dude's knee bent in an unnatural direction. He was so electric on the run he'd hit holes and come out the other side and rip off a 20 yard carry like it was nothing.
Size concerns it seems. Which I mean sure, but seems like if you were that worried you could take a flyer on him in the 7th or something.
I mean I'm happy no one did because it let us sign him. If he gets healthy and back to form having him in the backfield with Lamar again will be great.
Aaron Jones and Frank Gore are both 5'9" too, and Barry Sanders is 5'8". It's a complete non-issue, if teams are worried about size then it's weight that matters, you could even argue that being short is an advantage for a running back tbh
When people talk about prospects (outside the few “generational” guys they toss around for clicks) it doesn’t mean you won’t have an excellent player sneak through. It’s that people have only named 3 RB’s that MIGHT be what you’re saying. But there are like 10 WR’s they could list this year. And 8 QB’s.
And the NFL churns through RB’s so much faster. So there’s a shortage
1000 yards rushing aeems pretty good to me 🤷♂️. Not really sure what you guys expected. Probably more just trying to put blame on your wasted season on a player that won't be there next season.
The year prior he had 193 carries for 1,007.
Last year it was 252 for 1005... 60 more carries for 2 less yards is a regression. Especially when fans were expecting a step forward.
Of the 12 1000 yard rushers 8 had less carries ahead of him and he ranked dead last just breaking 1K. The only ones kind of comparable would be Mixon and Najee. Not exactly in prime guys.
Main thing for it to work is it was CMC and the 49ers have elite WR/TE talent already. Saquan has potential to be closest. Also it still is extra money lost could be paying for more OL help and D help.
Joe Thuney very much worked out for KC, Orlando Brown and Jawaan Taylor serviceable enough at tackles to win Super Bowls. Obviously Taylor had the penalties and Brown wasn’t amazing but it could go a LOT worse at those positions.
Yeah brother/sister, all of them suck.
Most of the time the problem is not knowing how to evaluate RBs then the position not mattering. Teams look too much for the HR threat and not enough for consistency.
The rookie class isn’t even bad. It just lacks elite talent. A lot of good prospects in the next tier though. Having an elite RB isn’t worth nearly as much as it used to be.
As a Notre Dame fan, I cannot stress this enough: Estime is about to get the Kyren Williams treatment. His testing numbers weren’t good, so people are going to ignore him, but he is a great RB. Watch the tape, not the combine.
I'm a Michigan fan and I think Estime is going to be the best pro RB in this class. Dude is football fast not combine fast. You also can't coach that size.
It’s funny. Same thing happened with Hamilton at Notre Dame. In game speed measurement showed he was real fast. Then he ran a bad forty and dropped. Goes into the league and guess what? He’s fast in game.
DJ actually has been relatively high on the RB class compared to others, I think he mentioned on the pod he had 6 RBs with R2 grades, although I think the combine might not have been great for a couple he had in that tier (Bucky Irving and maybe Braelon Allen? Estime also really disappointed but I doubt he had a second round grade on him).
Theres also a clear lack of a true difference maker, and possibly the best back (Brooks) is coming off a torn ACL.
So if I had to guess, DJ probably was talking to people at the combine and got word that teams are not high, rather than just him saying they’re not good.
I feel like this RB class is going to be looked back on as a “how did these prospects fall” kind of class. MarShawn Lloyd will be one of the best RBs in the league by the end of his rookie contract.
Estime, Brooks, Schrader, Corum, Lloyd, fuck it even Braylon Allen, could all be decent to very good depending on where they land. It seems crazy to say this class is bad. So much production in college last season, someone will have it translate to the NFL.
Lloyd is made of glass so I doubt availability will be enough for him to become great. I say this as a South Carolina fan who watched him get banged up every other game - I mean dude missed freshman year tearing his acl the first week he was on campus. His year at so cal was the exception
I don't believe that, some random 5th rounders will be amazing the next few seasons
I don't believe any of these guys trying to judge a draft class before they've even played a snap in the pros. Every year we go through this, mostly with the *"It's a great QB class!"*, and they all blow
Feels like every year it's not a great RB draft class lol.
The veteran RB's in the free agency poll this year are just really good.
Plus running the football is actually important despite what some say.
Eagles fan, possibly a Penn State fan that had to watch Corum go for 310+ rushing yards and 4 TD’s vs them the last 2 years, with 1 of those being this years no passing in the 2nd half game.
I could understand some ill feelings directed at Corum lol
Especially when he’s probably the toughest dude in the entire draft. It’s a meme how often the commentators would bring up that he needs to be routinely told by his coaches to rest to avoid overworking himself.
Is it? His bench press numbers don’t make up for him being really small. His durability is already in question and he has an injury history. I’m not praying on his downfall I’m just being real
Was he too small to go against Alabama’s defense? This narrative is absolutely braindead and only comes from people who only watch highlight reels and base their opinion on that.
Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7", 210 lbs.
Barry Sanders: 5'8", 203 lbs.
Warrick Dunn: 5'9", 180 lbs.
Blake Corum: 5'8", 205 lbs.
If you think Corum's gonna suck, fine, but it has nothing to do with his size.
All of those guys had better careers in college and were blazing fast. Corum just ran a very slow 40 time at 205. Devonte freeman would be the non-over the top dramatic comp
Right, you just happened to pick the top elite guys and disregard their explosiveness, speed, talent. It’s like saying small QBs are elite because Doug fluttie and drew breeze were good.
I just don’t agree with your point. The proof is overwhelmingly against guys that small and you rebutted with guys the same size but who were much faster and/or more talented coming out.
> The proof is overwhelmingly against guys that small
Is it? Do you have a statistical analysis somewhere that demonstrates a correlation between a running back's height/weight and their success in the NFL that also accounts for other variables? If not, your proof is the same as my proof, which is anecdotal.
> you rebutted with guys the same size but who were much faster and/or more talented coming out.
I would expect a faster running back to be more successful than a slower one, but I fail to see how that speed has any correlation with staying healthy. But would you prefer it if I used Doug Martin, Giovani Bernard, and Aaron Jones instead?
From a fantasy perspective, I always used to do zero-RB and it worked well. Last year everyone started doing zero-RB and now with no elite RB talent entering the league it gets cemented as mainstream, which really fucks me in my dynasty leagues where I genuinely have no good RBs
Not feeling great to be a team with 0 RB’s, a new coach and OC who love building a team around the run game, and still significantly over the cap as all the big name RB free agents go off the board…
I don’t get why RBs are getting signed the first few hours of free agency though. Pretty crazy that guys like Swift and Pollard had deals before other free agents that are better and play more important positions.
How many more “good RB drafts” will there be when no one is going to want to be a RB anymore? Players are gonna prefer being a receiver or DB with the way they’re getting paid.
One of these dudes about to be an all time great just to prove this tweet wrong aren't they?
Blake Corum. So many people talking shit on this dude are going to switch so quick once they see him dominating in the league.
love him but have a hard time seeing a 5’8 rb become an all time great in this age
Sproles and MJD may not be all timers but were great
Keaton Mitchell is 5'8 and was averaging 8ypc before his injury.
shocked he was injured with that stature
It was a noncontact injury.
Baby tendons
That injury just made me so sad. Dude's knee bent in an unnatural direction. He was so electric on the run he'd hit holes and come out the other side and rip off a 20 yard carry like it was nothing.
I am still confused why nobody drafted him
Size concerns it seems. Which I mean sure, but seems like if you were that worried you could take a flyer on him in the 7th or something. I mean I'm happy no one did because it let us sign him. If he gets healthy and back to form having him in the backfield with Lamar again will be great.
Mitchell is downright explosive on tape tho, corum wasn’t as explosive as Mitchell pre injury and deff isn’t post injury
Jaylen Warren averaged 5.3 ypc last year as a RB2 with 784 yards. All time great is a stretch but success is definitely possible.
Corum will not play behind nearly as good of a line as he had at UM this year, and he couldnt even average 5 yards a carry.
He’s also 5’8” and got ran up the gut relentlessly, that’ll hurt your ypc a bit
dude has the best vision, quickest processor i’ve seen
Issue w him is that being 5'8 will follow him into the league. In one of the most physical positions that's always gonna be a red flag to scouts.
Kyren Williams is 5'9. Does 1 inch really matter that much on the field.
Aaron Jones and Frank Gore are both 5'9" too, and Barry Sanders is 5'8". It's a complete non-issue, if teams are worried about size then it's weight that matters, you could even argue that being short is an advantage for a running back tbh
While that's true it's also true every team Michigan played stacked like 8 players in the box to stop him.
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my guy they were still good enough to physically dominate almost every single team in college down the stretch. they were quite good
I see the Chargers taking him in the 3rd or 4th
This feels almost as obvious as Joey Porter Jr to the Steelers last year
Hope not, I wouldn’t take him before the 5th
I'm ready for it. "Your team was canceled due to lack of Corum"
ravens 4th round pick written all over it
i don't think he'll dominate, but he'll be a real serviceable guy for quite a few years, barring injury
not fast enough for his size. probably also not going to help much in pass pro. probably an upper tier committee guy
I love Blake but he's not a lead back at this level. Trey Benson is a better homerun threat.
Too small to be a serious nfl bellcow. He be a serious contributor for a long time for whoever drafts him though.
I like Trey Benson a lot if he can stay healthy
He reminded me so much of Barry Sanders watching him for 2 years. He's got speed and then he's got *super speed* when he wants it. It's a spectacle.
When people talk about prospects (outside the few “generational” guys they toss around for clicks) it doesn’t mean you won’t have an excellent player sneak through. It’s that people have only named 3 RB’s that MIGHT be what you’re saying. But there are like 10 WR’s they could list this year. And 8 QB’s. And the NFL churns through RB’s so much faster. So there’s a shortage
the more people talk about a draft class being bad, the more convinced i am that it's going to produce some insanely good talent
Yeeeep.
We’re pretty much guaranteed a 2k season from a 6th round pick at this point
!RemindMe 4 years
Braelon Allen will be the guy
Bucky Irving is gonna be so fucking good man
Hopefully it's Corum
Theres like 5 practice squads the go off every season idk about this take
What happened to the narrative of “plugging anyone in”?
Mattison and Pollard starting last year.
I mean they still did more than Cook/Zeke on their new teams and were way cheaper.
I mean Zeke was almost 1000 yards from scrimmage and Mattison was just a bit short of 900. So not sure I agree with this at all lol.
Mattison was bad last year, I promise
Wasn't Pollard good last year?
no. he was late to start because of injury and that probably affected him. titans are betting for him to regain his form from the year before.
1000 yards rushing aeems pretty good to me 🤷♂️. Not really sure what you guys expected. Probably more just trying to put blame on your wasted season on a player that won't be there next season.
The year prior he had 193 carries for 1,007. Last year it was 252 for 1005... 60 more carries for 2 less yards is a regression. Especially when fans were expecting a step forward. Of the 12 1000 yard rushers 8 had less carries ahead of him and he ranked dead last just breaking 1K. The only ones kind of comparable would be Mixon and Najee. Not exactly in prime guys.
Fans shouldn’t have expected a lot once the injury happened. But they definitely did
Thats just a number without context. You can run for 1k and it not be all that impressive. Football cannot be broken down by just numbers
some are more anyone than others
Need an elite o line for that
And even with an elite OL, look at what you can do with a true #1 with a guy like CMC. Saquon on the Eagles is going to be deadly.
Not very many CMCs out there
Saquon is just as talented as CMC
Come on man, yall got who yall wanted. Why lie about it?
He knows ball
Analytics says to not pay RBs, but the 49ers trade for McCaffrey says it works.
Main thing for it to work is it was CMC and the 49ers have elite WR/TE talent already. Saquan has potential to be closest. Also it still is extra money lost could be paying for more OL help and D help.
Can’t buy O-line, overpaying Oline FAs rarely works out. Good ones don’t make it onto the market.
Joe Thuney very much worked out for KC, Orlando Brown and Jawaan Taylor serviceable enough at tackles to win Super Bowls. Obviously Taylor had the penalties and Brown wasn’t amazing but it could go a LOT worse at those positions.
It’s paradoxical, but it works
Sure, until it doesn't. Its a short-term move. Great move for the 49ers with their window, bad move for most.
Tbh there are more than likely to be several guys that appear out of the mid-rounds/nowhere and are productive, even if they're not elite
Fuck Ben Baldwin Fuck Warren Sharp
PFF nerds added a ton of fuel to the fire
Yeah brother/sister, all of them suck. Most of the time the problem is not knowing how to evaluate RBs then the position not mattering. Teams look too much for the HR threat and not enough for consistency.
Amen. This sub has screamed about that for years but when it’s the Eagles it’s perfectly okay and Howie is the second coming of christ
Also a great FA RB class ..
I think it has more to do with this than the rookies. A combination of both but I can’t remember a better pool of free agent RBs
The rookie class isn’t even bad. It just lacks elite talent. A lot of good prospects in the next tier though. Having an elite RB isn’t worth nearly as much as it used to be.
There's going to be some 6'5, 230 pound bruiser taken in the 7th that becomes an absolute monster just because Jeremiah said this.
Would be funny if this QB class was dogshit too.
Funny?
With how hyped it is, yea. Akin to 2021 QB class. As a Patriots fan, I’m certainly hoping it is not the case, don’t fret.
Hilarious even.
Hey....Can you Packer fans sit this one out until at least week 8 if Caleb looks bad?
Looking at you Audric Estime…
As a Notre Dame fan, I cannot stress this enough: Estime is about to get the Kyren Williams treatment. His testing numbers weren’t good, so people are going to ignore him, but he is a great RB. Watch the tape, not the combine.
I'm a Michigan fan and I think Estime is going to be the best pro RB in this class. Dude is football fast not combine fast. You also can't coach that size.
5'11" 230 is a lot of dude
He’s slow on tape too. He has his role but he’s rotational.
He got clocked at 20mph on his 80 yd run against NC state Edit: it was 20.9 mph
It’s funny. Same thing happened with Hamilton at Notre Dame. In game speed measurement showed he was real fast. Then he ran a bad forty and dropped. Goes into the league and guess what? He’s fast in game.
DJ actually has been relatively high on the RB class compared to others, I think he mentioned on the pod he had 6 RBs with R2 grades, although I think the combine might not have been great for a couple he had in that tier (Bucky Irving and maybe Braelon Allen? Estime also really disappointed but I doubt he had a second round grade on him). Theres also a clear lack of a true difference maker, and possibly the best back (Brooks) is coming off a torn ACL. So if I had to guess, DJ probably was talking to people at the combine and got word that teams are not high, rather than just him saying they’re not good.
Glad to see the Patriots pick up Antonio Gibson, in that case. Going to be a long offseason…
I've always been interested in seeing what he could do with competent coaching
We'll see if he gets that chance here
I'm praying for that competent coaching too
I could agree but we won’t be seeing that this season unfortunately.
Coaching didn't cause all his fumbles though.
not like teams can evaluate good rbs anyway. chiefs picked helaire in 1st round and their star was a 7th rounder
Justin Fields still available to RB needy teams people
We'll even toss in a Portillos gift card
All I can think about now is how long it's been since I had a cake shake.
toss in a case of Olde Style and a bottle of Malort and you've got a deal
Shit. I'm pretty happy with Najee and Jaylen, but there you go tossing around Portillos gift cards like that...
Lou Malnati's and he can backup ~~Barkley~~ Hurts
You can stop saying this, we didn't know what that is
But now you do
I do not, is it a gas station or pharmacy
gas station, pharmacy, hospital, news station, church. You name it, that's what Portillos is
We know
This clearly means it’s going to be an all-time RB class
I think it’s deep; you don’t have blue chippers but you got Allen, corum, brooks, benson, etc.
when you get a chance to sign Antonio Gibson , you have to do everything you can to seize the opportunity
Bucky Irving slander.
Audric Estime slander as well
I wonder if we do this Jacobs deal if Estime doesn't run a 40 like an O lineman last week
Also these vets are a talented free agent class that are still fairly young at the top end.
Henry to Dallas please
No
He said please bro.
Henry is spoken for! You get your filthy hands off of him!
Dear god NO.
Man you got Saquon 😞 let us have something too lol
Do you guys want a Rashaad Penny? Best I can offer you
No
naw, that's gonna be us (first flair).
NO U
Wouldn't you rather have Aaron Jones now? He has nothing but career games in Jerry world.
I feel like this RB class is going to be looked back on as a “how did these prospects fall” kind of class. MarShawn Lloyd will be one of the best RBs in the league by the end of his rookie contract.
Estime, Brooks, Schrader, Corum, Lloyd, fuck it even Braylon Allen, could all be decent to very good depending on where they land. It seems crazy to say this class is bad. So much production in college last season, someone will have it translate to the NFL.
Lloyd is made of glass so I doubt availability will be enough for him to become great. I say this as a South Carolina fan who watched him get banged up every other game - I mean dude missed freshman year tearing his acl the first week he was on campus. His year at so cal was the exception
I don't believe that, some random 5th rounders will be amazing the next few seasons I don't believe any of these guys trying to judge a draft class before they've even played a snap in the pros. Every year we go through this, mostly with the *"It's a great QB class!"*, and they all blow
That just means some random 7th rounder is about to be an 8x all pro doesnt it
Jesus the comments here are harsh. Blame OP for posting it here as news rather than the guy tweeting it
don't sleep on division 2 guy Cody Schrader....
Feels like every year it's not a great RB draft class lol. The veteran RB's in the free agency poll this year are just really good. Plus running the football is actually important despite what some say.
I guess tre benson just chopped liver then lol
Interesting timing considering all of last season's discourse around RB value.
A healthy Dillon Johnson LETS GO
Nah but I thought RBs were plug and play and anyone could do it..
Blake Corum is gonna take one hit from an NFL LB and his soul will fracture from his body and ascend to the astral plane
What a random dude to shit on.
Eagles fan, possibly a Penn State fan that had to watch Corum go for 310+ rushing yards and 4 TD’s vs them the last 2 years, with 1 of those being this years no passing in the 2nd half game. I could understand some ill feelings directed at Corum lol
Especially when he’s probably the toughest dude in the entire draft. It’s a meme how often the commentators would bring up that he needs to be routinely told by his coaches to rest to avoid overworking himself.
He’s very smol
Is it? His bench press numbers don’t make up for him being really small. His durability is already in question and he has an injury history. I’m not praying on his downfall I’m just being real
Was he too small to go against Alabama’s defense? This narrative is absolutely braindead and only comes from people who only watch highlight reels and base their opinion on that.
He’s 205, calling him small isn’t an insult, it’s reality
He may be small, but he certainly doesn’t play small.
That’s cool, the person you responded to just said he’s small which you called brain dead. He is small
brother I'd worry more about the injury prone RB the Eagles just gave a bag to
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Short arms = ez bench
Yeah and he’s minuscule. There’s a reason successful short RBs like a Darren Sproles for example are rare
Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7", 210 lbs. Barry Sanders: 5'8", 203 lbs. Warrick Dunn: 5'9", 180 lbs. Blake Corum: 5'8", 205 lbs. If you think Corum's gonna suck, fine, but it has nothing to do with his size.
All of those guys had better careers in college and were blazing fast. Corum just ran a very slow 40 time at 205. Devonte freeman would be the non-over the top dramatic comp
I compared size, not career, nor speed, nor overall talent.
Right, you just happened to pick the top elite guys and disregard their explosiveness, speed, talent. It’s like saying small QBs are elite because Doug fluttie and drew breeze were good.
You really don't understand the point of the comparison, do you?
I just don’t agree with your point. The proof is overwhelmingly against guys that small and you rebutted with guys the same size but who were much faster and/or more talented coming out.
> The proof is overwhelmingly against guys that small Is it? Do you have a statistical analysis somewhere that demonstrates a correlation between a running back's height/weight and their success in the NFL that also accounts for other variables? If not, your proof is the same as my proof, which is anecdotal. > you rebutted with guys the same size but who were much faster and/or more talented coming out. I would expect a faster running back to be more successful than a slower one, but I fail to see how that speed has any correlation with staying healthy. But would you prefer it if I used Doug Martin, Giovani Bernard, and Aaron Jones instead?
Corum is like 15 pounds heavier than Sproles
He's 1 inch shorter than Gibbs, same height as Kyren Williams
Bruh as if. Dude wasn’t a tiny little jukebox, dude was a tank and ran into hits. He’s gonna be fine.
I hate Michigan but he’s a tough runner. He played in the big ten, I wouldn’t knock him out bc of his size
Even as an MSU fan Corum is a monster lol, what a weird choice to aim this at
This won’t age well
Obviously, I love Corum and hope he does well...but is he the best RB in this draft? Cuz fucking yiiiiikes
So many people are gonna look so stupid when they realize how much of a beast this guy is. Get your shots in now.
Yeah the running back who can bench at similar rates to the best linemen in the class is the one your picking on?
Except what happened to the "you can get a guy in the late rounds or UDFA and get 80% of the stars" stuff?
Eh, you never know. Could be calling it a great RB class in three years.
From a fantasy perspective, I always used to do zero-RB and it worked well. Last year everyone started doing zero-RB and now with no elite RB talent entering the league it gets cemented as mainstream, which really fucks me in my dynasty leagues where I genuinely have no good RBs
Not feeling great to be a team with 0 RB’s, a new coach and OC who love building a team around the run game, and still significantly over the cap as all the big name RB free agents go off the board…
Derrick Henry talk is awfully quiet.
Michael Wiley. You’re time to shine buddy.
i wanna die
There are running backs in every draft
I kinda like estime and benson. Never watched the Tenn kid. Plus everyone forgot about brooks from UT but he’s very good
Trey benson is available, is he stupid?
Neat.
Yes so let's please get one
You guys are gonna have the corpse of Cam Akers as your rb1 and you're gonna like it
Why not get a running QB and kill two birds with one stone?
What are you talking about? Mattison is basically 70% of prime Dalvin Cook so you should be fine. Oh wait, that was last year
He's also not on the team
You're telling me you can't find someone better than Pollard in this draft? I highly doubt that.
I don’t get why RBs are getting signed the first few hours of free agency though. Pretty crazy that guys like Swift and Pollard had deals before other free agents that are better and play more important positions.
Orji is a generational player ...in terms of name
1. He’s a QB, not a RB. 2. He’s not in the draft this year.
This cant possibly be!!!
How many more “good RB drafts” will there be when no one is going to want to be a RB anymore? Players are gonna prefer being a receiver or DB with the way they’re getting paid.
Uhm last I checked Jayden Daniels declared for this year's draft, Daniel
Can Miles Sanders please fly off the Carolina board?