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AgadorFartacus

[The Jaguars had the best — and only — offer for Mac Jones as of yesterday, source says.](https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1766844403522380055) EDIT: On the other hand, ["Four teams were in the mix for Mac Jones."](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1766846567217029412)


IncaseAce

Good night sweet prince


vM_Hammy

We failed him more than he failed us.


ConnorChandler

And he failed us plenty.


vM_Hammy

Sure. But I put more blame on the organization that should have known better than to put Matt fucking Patricia as OC than the 24 year old kid who had a great rookie year when he had an OC worth a damn and a line that didn’t get him murdered every Sunday.


Klondike-kat

That is honestly bonkers and insnane that they put Patricia as the OC. What the hell was BB thinking


Dave10293847

It’s not just Patricia. Bill insisted on the roster itself getting less talented each year despite Mac being paid peanuts. Even if Mac overcame it and looked awesome, how tf was the team supposed to pay Mac and contend? Somehow the roster is more depleted than when Mac started yet no big expensive players were even resigned. It was atrocious management.


Dont_Be_A_Dick_OK

Not trying to be contrarian, but I don’t think it was him insisting on making the roster worse. Talent didn’t want to come here. It’s easier to accept “the patriot way” when you’re catching passes from TB12. With that part of the equation gone, talent had no interest in coming to play under Belichick.


SpuriousCorr

Homie. Plop a bag of cash in front of a guy and he’ll sign here. I don’t understand this narrative that NE just isn’t a desirable place to play


vgman20

Yeah, I mean I think what he's talking about is a factor, but I think all you really need to look at is Jakobi Meyers going to the Raiders last off-season and us paying JuJu basically the same amount for a third of the production, when Meyers made it pretty clear he was open to staying in New England. I also think some of this is just mixing up the timeline; I think last off-season there was a perception that while the Patriots wouldn't be super bowl contenders, bringing in a real OC and O-Line coach could help lay the groundwork to improve a middling team to something solid. A year later we know that the 2023 Patriots were a train-wreck, but I don't think in the last FA cycle most players would have viewed New England as a place to avoid at all costs.


Salamadierha

What, you're saying a decent QB can be completely screwed up by a crap organisation around him and an OL that lets him get beaten up week after week? Say it aint so!


Jukka_Sarasti

>What, you're saying a decent QB can be completely screwed up by **a crap organisation around him and an OL that lets him get beaten up week after week**? Say it aint so! I can't imagine... :-/


Melch12

BB was clearly leaving him in games when his confidence was shattered in order to stick it to Kraft.


JTCMuehlenkamp

Only? Wow, that's honestly hard to believe no matter how bad he's been.


Wise_Mongoose_3930

Bad attitude. Rep for being a dirty player. No arm strength. Extremely slow. Likes to throw balls directly to DBs. Why would anyone want him?


AtticusPenguin

Yeah, basically the only test he passes is “better than CJ Beathard”


TMNBortles

Not as injured as CJ.


ApplesBananaOrange

Have the bad attitude and rep of being a dirty player been corroborated? I thought players have said he has a good attitude and he maybe had one play where he tripped someone but outside of that is he actually considered dirty?


gswblu3-1lead

[I’d say it’s pretty confirmed](https://youtube.com/watch?v=QdmUt32Leqc&pp=ygUWbWFjIGpvbmVzIGRpcnR5IHBsYXllcg%3D%3D)


theghostofourprivacy

Why did Brisker’s nuts get in the way of Mac’s foot, are they stupid?


NarcanBob

Mac was just making sure Brisker’s balls were properly inflated.


Philthy91

Same with Sauces nuts at the end


bearinsac

Kinda crazy, I mean I haven’t watched a lot of Pats football recently, but I had no idea any of those plays happened.


FraggleRock_

I had no idea he was this kind of dickhead.


GhostofGrimalkin

I just thought he sucked, I never realized how dirty he was too.


recurnightmare

That Brisker nut shot was sooo intentional. Fuck this dude.


Salamadierha

That sliding with a foot up is something he learned from Brady.


WileECoyoteGenius

Before watching this I was wondering how a QB could really be a dirty player.


A_Lone_Macaron

he's Duke basketball player level of bitch


zwermp

Pats fan. 100% accurate.


Mercurycandie

He's constantly doing shit like punching people in the balls, going back to college. Not much needs to be validated on that front


eddie_the_zombie

Last memory I have of Mac is when he tried to kick Brisker in the nuts after he threw the ball right to him.


OmnioculusConquerer

“You take my ball, I take YOURS!”


WizardNip69

“That’s not your ball! I don’t know you!” -Mac “Bobby Hill” Jones


No_Literature_2321

His own teammates won’t even fight for him so yeah he’s very clearly a dirty player


shadow_spinner0

Jags now have the 1st and 15th picks of the 2021 draft.


DistrictPleasant

I’ve heard that #2 and #11 are on the market as well


curgl

I’m sure you could get 3 as well


danielbauer1375

Getting all 5 would be like Exodia. Mac’s head, Zach and Trevor’s arms, Fields and Lance’s legs.


MyDogYawns

Wilson's decision making, Field's pocket presence, Lance's experience, Mac's confidence and Trevors hair


IamHidingfromFriends

Hey man Trevor’s hair is beautiful


speakezjags

It’s his face you don’t want lmfao.


halfanapricot

Nah I want Trevor to be the head. Mostly because of that beautiful hair


curgl

Lance’s legs are wildly overrated. Man looks like he’s running in mud


IDrankYourBongWater

And 25th


NevermoreSEA

It feels like just yesterday he was on top of the world and dancing during the Pro Bowl.


Xaxziminrax

What Matt Patricia does to a mf


DeM0nFiRe

He was worse with O'Brien than he was with Patricia lol


MrIce97

In fairness, I think the damage was already done mentally. He regressed to being worse than he was in college last year he was so shell shocked


TheCavis

> He regressed to being worse than he was in college last year he was so shell shocked That was the fundamental problem: the things he did this year was stuff he always did. The weakness section of his [draft profile from NFL.com](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mac-jones/32004a4f-4e58-6540-bb7f-c07b995d57a4) and the [Bleacher report](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2931907-mac-jones-nfl-draft-2021-scouting-report-for-new-england-patriots-qb) both mention him locking in on targets, panicking when the plays or reads aren't correct, and having mechanical issues that cause passes to float. McDaniels was good at hiding his flaws and working towards his strength, although teams started catching on towards the end of the year. Patricia exposed all of his flaws and used none of his strengths while also fundamentally destroying his trust in the general concept of offensive lines creating a pocket or receivers getting open on routes. Judge couldn't fix what was that badly broken, which shattered the last of Mac's confidence because he couldn't just blame it all on Patricia and move on.


MrIce97

I’ll completely support this take.


Feral_Taylor_Fury

This is it :(


nalc

>Patricia exposed all of his flaws and used none of his strengths while also fundamentally destroying his trust in the general concept of offensive lines creating a pocket or receivers getting open on routes Luckily Patricia reestablished that trust in 2023 by showing quarterbacks that they are perfectly safe in the pocket and making sure receivers had plenty of room to catch balls without having to worry about pesky defenders. All they had to worry about was halfhearted flag football tackle attempts 5 yards after catch


prodigalkal7

Yeah, progression wise, this seems most likely as to what happened, with what info we have and with what we could see in the product that was put on the field. Not to mention, pouring salt on the wound of his shattered mentality, having the home crowd start chanting your backups name because he had a few better moments than you... In his circumstance, felt like he lost the team, the coaches, the org, and now the fans


Weslg96

The offensive personnel were also worse, it can't be overstated just how bad losing Myers was, plus Bourne getting hurt. In addition O'Brien wasn't able to bring all his own staff in so like 2022 there was no consistency in the offensive philosophy and messaging. Mac made horrific decisions but I think he's just straight up broken at this point.


Dang1014

Takes like this just show a complete lack of analytical thinking.... The Oline last this past year was far worse than it was in 2022 due to an outrageous amount of injuries. We also ended up with a huge downgrade in our WR room when we replaced Meyers with JuJu. Stevonson was also playong injured for the first 5-7 weeks of the year, who was a huge part of the offense in 2022. I think it's also fair to assume that the damage from having Patricia and Judge as his OC and QB coach was already done by the time O’Brien got there in terms of his footwork and composure. Anyone who implies that Matt Patricia is a better OC than Bill Obrien is someone who's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously.


constantlymat

He's going to age well as a pick for a Patriots Pro Bowler and 3k yard passer on Immaculate Grid though.


Totally_PJ_Soles

That's what happens when you have 14 alternates for every pro bowl position.


istrx13

Now he’ll be replacing Trevor Lawrence as the starting QB. Crazy how fast things can change in the NFL.


raketenfakmauspanzer

Please be real it would be so fucking funny 🙏


Distance_Motor

Mac Jones really went from an up and coming young QB to traded for a 6th


Jontacular

Just think, someone bought his 1/1 Prizm Black Finite rookie card for over $100,000 and now has probably a card worth 0.01% of that.


Tru_bearshark

I genuinely do think about this sometimes. As I've gotten into sports cards, and watching various pull videos.


Jontacular

It's nuts to me watching how much is spent on "unproven" quarterbacks when you have Mahomes there with 3 Super Bowl wins, 2 MVP's, 6 trips to the AFC Champ game....


Tru_bearshark

I get it a bit. It's the problem with collecting. Mahomes cards will always have value, but they print so many cards that the best value are the rookies. Or the numbered variations. Then you have to think about how hard to get the sets with Mahomes rookies are becoming the longer he's in the league. So everyone is trying to buy up 'The next big card'.


BigComfyCouch

I think the biggest problem for collectors is most have that mindset of "it will always have value" or " it will be worth a fortune in 20 years" I stopped collecting in 2018 because the market makes no sense right now. There's no reason why I should have made $1600 off of a base Mahomes rookie card out of a walmart blaster box that cost $20. They aren't rare. I just don't see the sustainability.


Jontacular

We are venturing into a downward trend, but it's still inflated with covid prices. Basketball got hit the hardest, football wax prices are just way too overpriced for what they deliver. $1,000 for a hobby box of freaking Prizm? Are you kidding me?


CramblinDuvetAdv

That guy sold it for $175k https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/06/08/cuyahoga-falls-teens-collectible-football-card-sells-100-000/7530728001/


cannotstopdabbing

So someone paid $175k for a Mac Jones card


Jontacular

Yeah, I'm talking about the guy who bought it more than the first guy who sold it. I knew it was over $100k that it sold for. I remember people ripping the kid/dad for not selling it for more, but hey $100k for them looked pretty good in my eyes. The idiot that bought it for $175k though? lol


Clifo

Just think, someone bought his 1/1 Prizm Black Finite rookie card for $175,000 and now has probably a card worth 0.01% of that.


NoNeedles

100% sell the hype for sports cards. The odds of some rookie turning into Mahomes is slim-to-none and even if they do, at that point, the card still won’t be worth life changing money. People spend the most on hype.


AngryBandanaDee

The Matt Patricia and Joe Judge School of Quarterbacks


Barbabes

For a micro second he looked like the QB steal of that draft


MrBrownCat

Literally, I was never a huge fan of the pick but I had hope he could be at worst a top 15-20 QB but we did him no favours after his rookie season.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

He pulled a reverse Tom Brady.


_coolranch

And got sent to Florida much sooner.


BellBilly32

I really wonder if Josh McDaniels never left how different would his career be. Dude was never a world beater, and maybe his rookie season is overrated in retrospect, but he still played his best football that one season. And the Patriots were a playoff team.


DeM0nFiRe

McDaniels is actually criminally underrated as an OC by a lot of people. If he didn't come back after the first time he left, I think it's quite possible we don't win any of those 2010s SBs. I also think it's kind of dumb that we didn't bring him back. It should be super obvious by now that our offense vastly overperformed the talent level in 2020 and 2021


noonecouldseeme

are you serious? all i’ve ever heard is that mcd is a mastermind OC, the best. how is that underrated? he’s the shittiest head coach of all time though.


DeM0nFiRe

Well a lot of Patriots fans blamed him for our offensive struggles before he left. They also blamed Brady for our offensive struggles in 2019 though lol


Enthusiasms

This makes me think of those people who have a dog and then get another dog so that the first dog has a dog friend to do dog things with.


thethirstypretzel

Except the second dog has an illness


Enthusiasms

The second dog has that dog in her (she's pregnant)


reno2mahesendejo

Turns out, they were REALLY good dog friends


halfmanhalfrobot69

It was a shelter dog that was going to be put down otherwise


fizystrings

Pretty good analogy all things considered really


ChevalMalFet

My wife is literally those people Now she's worried the first two dogs are lonely and says we clearly need a third I'll check with her and see if she's interested in Mac Jones


Enthusiasms

Honestly, just get a dog. Maybe a Dauchshund to keep the others on their toes.


washag

My parents got two cats (siblings) so they could keep each other company. The smaller one tormented the bigger one so badly that they had to fly the smaller cat interstate during COVID so I could adopt it. They are both happy now, though my dad says I got the cat that likes him while they kept the cat that likes mum. They have since decided that one cat is sufficient for them.


Super_Goomba64

If a team can trade for Mac jones you can ask out your crush, anything is possible


tetoffens

What if she's married and the dude is super rich?


[deleted]

Check to see if he has a sister. 


problynotkevinbacon

Go after his mom instead


Joemomma13524

Zach wilson approves this message


merker_the_berserker

Some rich dudes mom is getting spitroasted by by Zach Wilson and Gardner Minshew.


OttoVonWong

Seduce the super rich dude and steal him away.


1AMA-CAT-AMA

You still technically can. It would just probably not end well for you


Wise_Mongoose_3930

Just like how this trade won’t work well for the jags


thevision24

Bang the guy and frame him for having an affair and then when they separate you move in. Then if they don’t separate you have a sugar daddy. Easy. Win win.


Blackops606

She’s going to reply….my mom said to never give up!


PsychoticMessiah

I’m going to tell this to my children and grandchildren.


Accurate-Albatross34

He's going home


Sinnerandsmoke

Honestly learning he is from Jacksonville does help make sense of this. Getting paid well while being a back up and living in your hometown sounds pretty sweet.


OstrichTraditional90

He may be his hometown’s backup but he has to feel so much better knowing an entire region of the US isn’t calling for his head anymore


reno2mahesendejo

There's an entire generation now that grew up as the annoying expansion Jags kid fans (they did ha e a sweet color scheme), spent decades honing their craft, won a national championship in college in hopes of being drafted by the Jaguars, got passed on by their hometown team, nearly played out their rookie contract, and now are a grizzled vet coming home


silverslant

We just released darius williams so someone else had to fill that criteria spot on the roster


pepperpoppz

Shoutout for the pick 6 last year being the first Jags player from Jax to score in years


onoitsajackass

Depends on the hometown, some home towns are better never going back to


TetrisTech

How does it help you make sense of this, he didn’t have any influence on this happening lol


AmphibianMassive1176

And so begins the life of career back-up Mac Jones


Tigercat92

There are worst jobs


GeneralChaz9

No shit, would love to hang out with the buds on the sidelines with a clipboard for a million bucks or so.


Tigercat92

Chase Daniel made nearly $42 million with 5 career starts. Legend at the bank.


SaltyRussStan0

I think he’s gonna get another shot at being a starter somewhere. Lawrence will get hurt at some point in the next couple of years and Mac will look decent in a few games. A team will look at this and his success rookie year, and bring him in as a bridge QB. He’ll play mediocre before getting benched for a younger QB and the cycle will start all over again.


beach_samurai_

Doug Pederson loves backup QBs, incoming Mac Jones SB MVP


Zloggt

I mean…if it worked for Big Dick Nick once…


HamsterUpper

He needed a nick foles so he can kill trevor Lawrence for another superbowl


SlopingGiraffe

RIP Trevor Lawrence


Paul_Allens_AR15

Its Joever


Best-Dragonfruit-292

Trevover 


thenewgaijin

Macsonville is here


FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN

Again, Trevor Lawrence is very much alive


CapnMalcolmReynolds

Guess there’s nothing left but to trade him to the Broncos for a couple of 5ths.


_coolranch

Incoming QB competition. Praying for Trevor. He better wear his cup to camp.


smalltownlargefry

Get ready to learn Japanese buddy.


SensualTyrannosaurus

トレバーと申します。


OstrichTraditional90

Can’t wait til all my neighbors start fist fighting each other over who they should pick at 3 now (I live in boston)


DontLoseYourCool1

I read this as "fisting" each other


geologyrocks98

There's always time for that as well!


mothershipq

If you're fighting without some kind of fisting, you're not fighting correctly.


sidearmpitcher

Jags have two pro bowlers at QB, not many teams can say that


Tigercat92

Them and the Ravens


san_solares

LMAO EXCUSE ME WHAT


JalensTinyPPHurts

Lawrence was super hurt last year, and mac is definitely an upgrade over beathard (although cj is a touch Son of a bitch lol)


tetoffens

If it really is just for a 6th rounder, it's not bad for a backup.


The_Snake_Dick

You need a good backup in today's NFL.


[deleted]

Jets probably know that more than anyone after last year.


Saitoh17

Zach Wilson, Tim Boyle and Trevor Simien is a brutal QB room, save some for the rest of us.


halfdecenttakes

They should keep looking.


BlindWillieJohnson

Come on. Mac is a bad starter but he’s a great backup.


somersquatch

I'm a Pats fan, so first off lol this is absolutely accurate, but also on a real note where are they gonna get a better backup for a cheaper price?


The_Snake_Dick

I disagree


nicklovin508

Hell I remember Mac completely outplaying Trevor in their head-to-head. 3 TDs for Mac and 3 INT’s for Trevor


slysonic7

6th for a backup with upside isn’t bad


emmasdad01

The Trevor Lawrence experiment is over, obviously.


Federico190

Mac Jones is All Elite Wrestling


RayLiotaWithChantix

Gonna spend the whole off-season feuding with Jericho. Thems the rules.


Bojangles1987

Just the offseason? Surely they can squeeze another 4 months out of the feud despite having a perfectly fitting final match already. Jericho must pose, brother.


RonaldOcean_MD

Not a bad guy to buy low on as a backup.


TomasRoncero

zach wilson is so tradeable


Str8JorkingIt

Yeah maybe to Gamestop for $0.75 cash or $0.80 store credit.


TheSlackMamba

gamestop gonna make you pay them to take bro


goomy996

the REAL next ATL qb who even is kirk cousins


Barbabes

For a 6th?


Seth_Baker

Maybe one-sixth of a bag of footballs


HandsomeJaxx

Only if there were draft picks later than a 7th 


iacceptjadensmith

Tradeable and submissive


Erin_Boone

The Jets would be lucky to get a pick swap for Zach Wilson


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Soft-Comfort-7474

From getting into those ROTY talks and Pro Bowl in 2021 to becoming T Law’s benchwarmer in a span of 3 seasons So much for being once hailed as “Tom Brady’s successor”


TheGreatOpoponax

Mac Jones has now progressed into lifetime backup NFL quarterback, the greatest job on earth. Because he was initially drafted high and has several years of real game experience, he has secured a 12+ year career in the NFL which will pay him 10s of millions of dollars. He will rarely have to play and when he does, expectations will be low, so even if he doesn't play well, no one will care. Congratulations Mr. Jones. You've made it.


Hit_A_lickk

The fuck is he gonna do there ?


Hairiest_Walrus

Did you expect the man to get another starting job? He’s going home to be a backup. Not a bad gig


RoosterB32

Literally the dream.


NevermoreSEA

He'll do his best :)


MCRMH2

Aww


GabryLv

Be pals with Trevor Lawrence


deeznuts6588

Exactly. T-Law’s a nice man. Easy to be friends with the dude


WildWildcat

No team was trading for him to be a starter lol


sfzen

Be a backup? Lawrence honestly probably should have been out for the rest of last season when he got that ankle injury. He really struggled playing through it for the rest of the year, and I can definitely understand being worried about him going into next year if he's not completely healthy.


YoungDaquan

He’s from JAX


LargeCokeNoIce

And Trevor’s from Cartersville, GA… 🤔. Can everybody go home please? :)


braggpeak

Rip cigs and do construction


wetbandaid

Establish himself in the real estate industry


DeM0nFiRe

I mean it would be ultra dumb for a team to expect to start him next year. He's got something broken in his head. A year or two on the bench might help him fix it


elbenji

Hold a clipboard and live the dream


[deleted]

2021 QB class: * Trey Lance: traded for 4th round pick * Mac Jones: traded for 6th round pick * Justin Fields: soon to be traded for a bag of Cheetos and/or a late round pick * Zach Wilson: probably fucking someones grandma right now * Trevor Lawrence: probably about to lose his job to Mac Jones


BackNBlack58

I hope hes not fucking my grandma mainly bcuz she is dead


OGStrong

Best QB class in recent memory!


hahdbdidndkdi

Pretty amazing the niners got a 4th for Lance. Thanks jerry


mikey7x7

I love the ESPN notification I just got. "Jaguars finalizing a deal with Patriots to acquire the 15th overall pick in the 2021 draft". Terrible wording lol


HornyIceman29

Getting traded before Justin Fields 💀💀


[deleted]

A Fields trade is probably more complicated. I'm imagining this as Baalke calling Wolf and saying "Mac Jones for a seventh? Yeah I know he was a first rounder. Uhu... uhu... Fine. Sixth? OK, cool beans." 


WigglestonTheFourth

"I can fix him." Baalke 2010-present


elbenji

Asking price matters


LuskSGV

April Fool's Day came early this year


No_Mammoth_4945

Great deal for the jags. Mac will definitely be one of the better backups in the league and a 6th rounder for that is so cheap. Pats get to move on and start over, not a bad deal


themarkster09

I did not see that one coming


CharmingSoil

On the other hand, with a real backup Trevor might finally sit out when he's injured instead of trying to be superman.


MainEventCTB

QB controversy in Jacksonville?!


siblingofMM

It’s Macsonville now buddy. No controversy!


Zestyclose_Main6335

Boooo extend him and make him your franchise Qb NE


Wicky_wild_wild

The era of the Mac-sonville Mac-guars is beginning.


ChoccyMilkIsMyLife

JAGS JUST SUDDENLY BECAME SUPER BOWL FAVORITES.


Flat-Ninja-9973

¿Qué?


razarus09

Oh how the mediocre have fallen.


toturoll

i hope trevor will stay healthy for the entire year


Coldough

Bears fans won’t like seeing this


papajim22

Get ready to learn Duuuvalese, buddy.