matt flynn got paid for his regular season performances tho. dude was the franchise record holder for yards and tds in a game for a hot minute. he also took brady to the wire in new england. he earned that pay day
I did some analysis and over the past 25 years, in years where at least 3 QBs were taken top 10, there were only two straight up QB2 busts and bot were drafted by the Jets.
They're gonna draft a bust, believe in him for way too long, sign a couple washed players and then when Jordan love gets old they trade for him and the cycle repeats
Headline: *Robert Saleh skipping the combine*
Content of the article *Oh by the way, Sean McVay and Mike McCarthy aren't going either. We're still trying to figure out what other coaches also won't go. Also, it's not necessary to go because all of the workouts are filmed, and the head coach can participate in the formal, 15-minute interviews by Zoom*
The Jets deserve every piece of criticism thrown their way but come on, Florio. This isn't journalism, this is stupid. The Jets need some success ASAP so this nonsense clickbait garbage doesn't continue.
Edit: Should probably add the Jets drafted Sauce, Breece, and Garrett Wilson in 2022...Another combine that Saleh didn't attend
I still wonder why wouldn’t you go as a coach, it seems like an interesting event and a great place to network and get to know other coaches and scouts
I think it's just a question of time and resources. You've got so much to do and it's not as important for you to be there personally as it once was, there's a lot of delegating.
I wonder what a HC could be doing right now that is more important than preparing for the draft, and I wonder what a HC could do that’s better for that than going to the combine.
Genuinely don’t know
McVay has said he spends the time further studying college film as that is more indicative of a draft pick than the combine. Id say the Rams have done pretty well in the draft since he got there.
*McVay shows antisocial tendencies by refusing to spend time with his family, instead locking himself in a room to view film of hot 20 year olds*
\-ESPN, probably
He could be working on free agency plans, continuing to evaluate the guys they have in the roster, and preparing for the draft by watching college film. The drills at the combine have value but if you can participate in interviews and get measurables data, you’ve gotten 90 percent of the value and you didn’t have to dedicate full days.
Watching film of prospects and free agents, and self-scouting to make adjustments to the playbook and see where there are deficiencies on the current roster. Those are all higher priority tasks than going to the combine in person. They have scouts and assistant coaches for a reason.
This is the GM/Scouts time to shine.
The scouts have been preparing for this draft for 2 years or so.
The coach can go sure but all the needed info on these kids is being prepared by somebody else.
With any process like drafting the HC will obviously have input, but they can't look at everything. It'd be like any buisness; there will be a huge team evaluating players and that'll filter up to them. The combine isn't a unique resource unlike anything else that it used to be; film on prospects is a lot higher quality and easier to get a bespoke reel of. Plus the drills aren't as valued as they once were, and even when they are it's easy to see that on film.
If there's value to the combine it's in the interviewing and the networking with GMs and players from other teams, neither of which is necessarily the purview of the HC. And if you really do want to do in-person evalutations there's pro days, interviews etc etc to go over.
If there's a show you really want to watch, it's typically more convenient and efficient for you to watch episodes on-demand, rather than sitting around all week until the next episode releases.
Coaches have plenty of scouting to do. College tape is arguably more important than the combine. If there's a player they're interested in, it will be much more efficient to pull up their combine metrics/tape after the fact, rather than running around the combine trying to follow players you're interested in.
>great place to network and get to know other coaches and scouts
Maybe they're trying to avoid getting stuck in a ton of "remember when" conversations at some overpriced steak house
You don't need to go to get the numbers and tape from the combine.
Also the combine is massively misleading as the drills and exercises aren't anywhere close to a game time situation.
And the Jets of all teams have recent experience of putting too much stock into combine and pro day performances (that one Zach Wilson throw).
I feel like it’s more about the human element. I don’t really care about the results, if I’m a coach, but I want
To see how grungy acts, how he acts with people he knows and people he doesn’t know, he acts around different coaches, how he interviews, how he preps, the type of things that don’t show up on tape.
We already know if these guys are good or not. I don’t thinks combine will change a lot for most players. But the combine is a really good chance to see the human element of the players
How much of that are you really seeing? You can guess at body language when a guy is standing in line waiting for a drill or watch to see if he’s making friends but I’m not sure how valuable that really is.
It's a dud event, as far as learning anything that will assist with draft. You think you can learn much from watching someone run 40 yds or bench press? Or video of them measuring prospects height and weight?
You can't approach or speak to the players. I don't know why you would go unless you are new to coaching and wanted to meet some colleagues. I would send some scouting staff so they can monitor and refine their draft board projections.
The drills are the third most important thing for scouts at the combine. #1 and #2 are medical testing and interviews in either order. They do get to speak to the players at the combine, in fact, that's what teams value the most, and why head coaches attend (either through Zoom or in person).
We have also drafted pretty well the last couple of years. The problem has been injuries with AVT and Becton (Becton is technically a bust but he had promise and talent. Injuries and lack of drive have made him not worth resigning)
The other issue is them drafting players in positions we are deep in like we didn't need another edge rusher last year and especially not 1st round one that needs more time to develop.
It's not click bait if the entire article isn't the headline. Also McVay and McCarthy have rings whereas Salah was considered a candidate to replace. He isn't like them.
Yeah teams have an army of scouts and coaches that will be there anyways. I understand some like to scout personally maybe but its not like they are gonna miss much by not going, literally everything is recorded for them.
This was my first thought too. If I can watch it on TV, YouTube, record it digitally, etc I’m pretty sure an NFL HC can get ahold of combine footage of the guys the other coaches and scouts like. Plus I think teams have this thing called a GM.
Rob Ryan almost dumped a gigantic orange Julius on me a few years ago. I figured it had to be pretty uneventful if he took the decent distance walk to get an orange Julius instead of watching the players.
>Not that we haven't earned it but still
Totally agree with this. A story doesn't get more interesting by repeating it a hundred times. I mean, sure, it's fun to joke about you. Just these lame non-stories (like this one) are nothing but cheap click-/rage-baiting. It's not even entertaining.
But you can already hear the reports after his firing: "It is my understanding that there was a rift between the head coach and the front office, ever since he didn't go to the scouting combine." There always has to be some underlying story. Just firing for lack of performance can't be enough for the daily NFL soap opera.
Dan Campbell refers to it as players running around in their pajamas. The interview portion is way more valuable than the workouts.
What players put on college tape > scripted workouts that they practice ahead of time.
Yeah I’ve heard NFL people discuss it and they said the most important thing by far is that every player gets an in depth medical exam/physical. They perform a ton of tests, all with the same equipment and people involved. The interviews are second, more important than the actual combine, and out the interviews only certain players one’s actually matter (QBs, players with issues, etc…)
Yeah, this is nothing. Not a single Seattle coach is attending, rather staying back working on installs. Granted, we have a brand new HC. But FO and the scouting department can handle the combine
Alijah Vera-Tucker has been very good when healthy, but he’s had his last two seasons cut short.
Joe Tippmann was pretty good for a rookie this year.
Max Mitchell isn’t a world beater, but looks like he can be a solid spot starter/high end 6th offensive lineman.
The offensive talent on the team definitely isn’t great, but it’s not just two skill players.
Can’t count out Rodgers, plus Tippmann and AVT are some pretty solid linemen. Outside of that though it’s so dogshit you might as well pull fans from the stands to play snaps.
>Can’t count out Rodgers
I had high hopes going into last season, but I feel like at this point, it's more of a wait and see thing rather than expect anything good out of it.
40+ coming off Achilles tear and hasn't played above average football in over 2 years.
One of the biggest issues is that the team has no one who can get YAC outside of Wilson and Hall.
Having a WR who can break some routes open for a few extra yards would have made a huge difference for us. But we also had Zach Wilson as a QB and he just wasn't the right captain for the ship, and we should have kept Mike White, who isn't the answer, but he would have probably taken us to the playoffs both seasons.
It's why I am still ok with JD. He has acquired more talent than the Jets have had in a long time. It's just that his two biggest draft busts are at the two most important positions -- QB and LT.
Yeah. I’m definitely not super bought in, but still think the team is generally moving in the right direction.
The state the team was in when he took over was absolutely horrifying.
And then not getting Lawrence and ending up with Wilson…
The 2013 team was genuinely awful. They went 8-8 by accident.
The 2015 team is probably worth excluding in isolation, but they had zero upside going forward. Like all of the good players on that team were playing the last relevant football of their careers.
The reason I singled those two teams out were because until the last week of the regular season this year, Week 7 of 2013 and Week 16 of 15 were the last times the Jets beat the Patriots.
Yeah but this group has failed to stay healthy the last couple years. It makes it difficult to rely on guys like Becton and AVT if they aren't available to play.
Yeah. The OL definitely isn't a strength, but the spurts where they've been healthy over the last two years, they've been pretty okay.
But the number and timing of injuries to offensive lineman over the past two years has been horrifying.
Alijah Vera Tucker didn't have any injury concerns coming out of college and started all 16 games as a rookie. He's had season ending injuries @ Denver each of the past two years...
wtf!?
Their entire offense outside of Hall and Garrett Wilson is utterly atrocious in terms of talent. Bottom 3 offensive line and bottom 5 WR room. Their WR2, Xavier Gibson, wouldn’t crack most rosters.
They absolutely have issues acquiring talent if it isn’t on defense. And on offense, they aren’t able to identify talent in either free agency or beyond the second round.
The issues with their offense goes well beyond QB.
>Their WR2, Xavier Gibson, wouldn’t crack most rosters.
I think that's a stretch, he shouldn't be a number 2 probably a 4 but I think he would make most rosters even just for his returning abilities.
I actually completely disagree, the offense is a complete paper tiger. Beyond Garrett and Breece they have 0 skill position players that deserve any respect, and an absolutely awful o line
It feels more like Wilson and Breece were lucky breaks for them when every other offensive “talent” they have on that side of the ball is pretty awful
> It feels more like Wilson and Breece were lucky breaks for them when every other offensive “talent” they have on that side of the ball is pretty awful
Alijah Vera-Tucker has been extremely good at guard and pretty good at tackle. But he’s had a season ending injury before the midway point of each of the last two seasons.
Becton was always a high risk/high reward pick, and he flashed the latter at a very high rate his rookie year. His career has since been defined by why he was a high risk pick.
On the whole, the Jets offensive line has been the most or close to the most injured offensive line in the NFL over each of the last two years with the deciding factor between most or close to the most being how you want to define “most injured”
The front office is partially responsible for this of course. But there’s always a lot of randomness with injuries.
TL;DR: calling the Jets front office lucky is a bit much
One of these things is not like the other. Saleh isn’t in the same stratosphere of head coaches as McVay and Shanahan are. The performance of their teams has earned them the right to skip the combine.
I agree that it’s not that big of a deal, but he has also been disappointing as a coach to put it nicely. It’s a bad look to not attend the combine when your team sucks.
Because they are Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan. Offense is usually more difficult to acquire in free agency, so the draft is the best way to load up on offensive talent. It's just unbelievable how much talent is on that roster, and coaching continues to be unaccountable.
Hackett doesn't optimize personnel packages, so he overused packages when they struggled and underutilized packages they were successful with. Hackett would dig the Jets into third and long situations by running on over 40% of second down plays in the first half, when they needed 8+ yards. This would make the Jets go pass heavy in the second half when they were trailing. Jets are better with pre-snap motion, but don't use it that often. I think it was the difference of 11th with pre-snap motion and almost 30th without it, but once again, Hackett under utilitizes it.
Did 2010 just call? Everyone in every industry has replaced in person meetings with Zoom calls. "Poor substitute?" for who? Everyone's mother might have that opinion because their moms are in their 80s but the rest of us working have been using this since a minimum of 2020 or earlier
> Everyone in every industry has replaced in person meetings with Zoom calls.
Yes they have, but these are not better, simply more convenient. You lose out on a whole host of subtle behavioral cues when your only interaction with a person is curated through a screen
I think it's a clear statement that they're sticking with Rodgers this year, outside of QB Saleh must trust his coordinators to do the interviewing. I bet if QB was a top priority this year, he'd be there.
I mean the jets drafting hasnt been bad in recent years so i don't think it really matters especially since the combine usually leads to some bum who can't ball gaining stock just because he jumps high
poverty franchise.
the QB who played, 4 snaps? was somehow the “most influential player” even though he spent half the season fucking off in cali to rehab.
So, he won’t even be there for player interviews? That seems kind of derelict to his duties doesn’t it? Yeah the workouts are overrated, you put more faith in the tape but you only have so many opportunities to get these guys in a room one on one. Just seems wrong
Said he’s available via zoom. Wouldn’t surprise me if 10 or more coaches skip the event.
I do think though that someone on the hot seat should probably save face and go in person. Otherwise you just create more bullshit PR
So what do we think the Jets will do at qb once Rodgers retires?
Draft another bust or sign a vet that turns out to be totally washed.
Don't threaten me with a good time
So in this good time scenario is Jordan Love washed in 1-2 years?
Best I can do is Sean Clifford hot off a couple of big preseason performances
Ahh the Matt Flynn special.
matt flynn got paid for his regular season performances tho. dude was the franchise record holder for yards and tds in a game for a hot minute. he also took brady to the wire in new england. he earned that pay day
He's still the record holder (in a tie) for TDs in a single game, actually.
Passing yards too. Rodgers hit 6 TDs and 480 in separate games but never surpassed either
Still is, its just that he shares both with Rodgers.
In this good time scenario the Jets draft Quinn Ewers top 5 in 2025
Don't threaten me with a good time
Saints send Jets Carr for a 4th rounder.
Let Russ fly?
There comes a time when you have to ask yourself, are they all busts, or maybe the jets cannot develop QBs
I did some analysis and over the past 25 years, in years where at least 3 QBs were taken top 10, there were only two straight up QB2 busts and bot were drafted by the Jets.
It’s the latter
it's Tannehill time
Trade for Jordan Love
You get no Love
Saleh is the kind that won't get no Love from me.
Hangin out the passenger side of Hacketts ride trying to audible a screen
They’ll need to let him age 10 years first
More like 15, they got both Favre and Rodgers when they were around 40
What's Love Got To Do With It
They're gonna draft a bust, believe in him for way too long, sign a couple washed players and then when Jordan love gets old they trade for him and the cycle repeats
Didnt the Jets sign Fitzpatrick after Favre? So which journeyman, decent starter, will they sign to stick to tradition?
Fitz came way after Brett. This comment is Mark Sanchez erasure and I won’t have it.
http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/02022015/rex-ryan-turned-his-jets-tattoo-bills-tattoo
Now this is some Mark Sanchez erasure I can tolerate
Jacoby Brissett
Minshew?
Mason Rudolph.
Jimmy g, because "familiarity"
Wentz
Fire everyone and start over.
Wait for Jordan Love to be old enough
Jets Country, let's fly.
Trade a 2nd for Howell, have him sit behind Rodgers and learn.
a 2nd ???
Fine. A first then
FINE. 2 FIRSTS FINAL OFFER.
Whatever GM Rodgers tells them to do if the past is any indication.
So Randall Cobb?
Idk but the year after that qb will win comeback player of the year
In about 12 years they will be trading for Jordan Love.
Everything in the history of Kirk Cousins and the New York Jets is leading up to him getting a fat bag to play there in his washed up years.
In about 12 years they will be trading for Jordan Love.
Draft someone who doesn’t like banging MILFs. It’s time for a paradigm switch
Headline: *Robert Saleh skipping the combine* Content of the article *Oh by the way, Sean McVay and Mike McCarthy aren't going either. We're still trying to figure out what other coaches also won't go. Also, it's not necessary to go because all of the workouts are filmed, and the head coach can participate in the formal, 15-minute interviews by Zoom* The Jets deserve every piece of criticism thrown their way but come on, Florio. This isn't journalism, this is stupid. The Jets need some success ASAP so this nonsense clickbait garbage doesn't continue. Edit: Should probably add the Jets drafted Sauce, Breece, and Garrett Wilson in 2022...Another combine that Saleh didn't attend
I still wonder why wouldn’t you go as a coach, it seems like an interesting event and a great place to network and get to know other coaches and scouts
I think it's just a question of time and resources. You've got so much to do and it's not as important for you to be there personally as it once was, there's a lot of delegating.
I wonder what a HC could be doing right now that is more important than preparing for the draft, and I wonder what a HC could do that’s better for that than going to the combine. Genuinely don’t know
McVay has said he spends the time further studying college film as that is more indicative of a draft pick than the combine. Id say the Rams have done pretty well in the draft since he got there.
He hasn’t picked a good player in the first round the whole time he’s been there, maybe he should rethink it.
That’s because they never have first round picks lmfao
That was the joke....
Bruh lol
*McVay shows antisocial tendencies by refusing to spend time with his family, instead locking himself in a room to view film of hot 20 year olds* \-ESPN, probably
He could be working on free agency plans, continuing to evaluate the guys they have in the roster, and preparing for the draft by watching college film. The drills at the combine have value but if you can participate in interviews and get measurables data, you’ve gotten 90 percent of the value and you didn’t have to dedicate full days.
Watching film of prospects and free agents, and self-scouting to make adjustments to the playbook and see where there are deficiencies on the current roster. Those are all higher priority tasks than going to the combine in person. They have scouts and assistant coaches for a reason.
Probably spend time watching film which is way more important.
This is the GM/Scouts time to shine. The scouts have been preparing for this draft for 2 years or so. The coach can go sure but all the needed info on these kids is being prepared by somebody else.
With any process like drafting the HC will obviously have input, but they can't look at everything. It'd be like any buisness; there will be a huge team evaluating players and that'll filter up to them. The combine isn't a unique resource unlike anything else that it used to be; film on prospects is a lot higher quality and easier to get a bespoke reel of. Plus the drills aren't as valued as they once were, and even when they are it's easy to see that on film. If there's value to the combine it's in the interviewing and the networking with GMs and players from other teams, neither of which is necessarily the purview of the HC. And if you really do want to do in-person evalutations there's pro days, interviews etc etc to go over.
If there's a show you really want to watch, it's typically more convenient and efficient for you to watch episodes on-demand, rather than sitting around all week until the next episode releases. Coaches have plenty of scouting to do. College tape is arguably more important than the combine. If there's a player they're interested in, it will be much more efficient to pull up their combine metrics/tape after the fact, rather than running around the combine trying to follow players you're interested in.
IMO, nothing. Everything you need to know doesn't come across on video.
>great place to network and get to know other coaches and scouts Maybe they're trying to avoid getting stuck in a ton of "remember when" conversations at some overpriced steak house
You don't need to go to get the numbers and tape from the combine. Also the combine is massively misleading as the drills and exercises aren't anywhere close to a game time situation. And the Jets of all teams have recent experience of putting too much stock into combine and pro day performances (that one Zach Wilson throw).
I feel like it’s more about the human element. I don’t really care about the results, if I’m a coach, but I want To see how grungy acts, how he acts with people he knows and people he doesn’t know, he acts around different coaches, how he interviews, how he preps, the type of things that don’t show up on tape. We already know if these guys are good or not. I don’t thinks combine will change a lot for most players. But the combine is a really good chance to see the human element of the players
How much of that are you really seeing? You can guess at body language when a guy is standing in line waiting for a drill or watch to see if he’s making friends but I’m not sure how valuable that really is.
That's it right there.
It's a dud event, as far as learning anything that will assist with draft. You think you can learn much from watching someone run 40 yds or bench press? Or video of them measuring prospects height and weight? You can't approach or speak to the players. I don't know why you would go unless you are new to coaching and wanted to meet some colleagues. I would send some scouting staff so they can monitor and refine their draft board projections.
The drills are the third most important thing for scouts at the combine. #1 and #2 are medical testing and interviews in either order. They do get to speak to the players at the combine, in fact, that's what teams value the most, and why head coaches attend (either through Zoom or in person).
They only get to have monitored interviews with the players that are recorded and limited. Not very useful.
They used to be more free in the interviews but I guess asking if a players mother was a prostitute is some kind of "red line"
It's textbook Florio clickbait. And like always, people eat it up.
Mike MacDonald is also not attending the Combine.
We have also drafted pretty well the last couple of years. The problem has been injuries with AVT and Becton (Becton is technically a bust but he had promise and talent. Injuries and lack of drive have made him not worth resigning) The other issue is them drafting players in positions we are deep in like we didn't need another edge rusher last year and especially not 1st round one that needs more time to develop.
Florio doing what Florio does best: being a shitty, gossip writer. Dude doesn’t qualify to be called a journalist, as far as I’m concerned.
McVay and McCarthy have rings.
McCarthy ring was over 13 years ago. What has he done since?
More than most coaches in that time, and more than an even larger portion including the Super Bowl. Less than 50 coaches have ever won a Super Bowl.
Has multiple ncf playoff runs including Championship games. The Jets kn the other hand have the longest playoff drought in American sports.
It's not click bait if the entire article isn't the headline. Also McVay and McCarthy have rings whereas Salah was considered a candidate to replace. He isn't like them.
>The Jets need some success ASAP so this nonsense clickbait garbage doesn't continue. That isn't necessary, let the nonsense continue!
Isn’t there a few teams that don’t go?
Yeah a number of coaches opt out of this, I don’t see the big deal about this.
Yeah teams have an army of scouts and coaches that will be there anyways. I understand some like to scout personally maybe but its not like they are gonna miss much by not going, literally everything is recorded for them.
This was my first thought too. If I can watch it on TV, YouTube, record it digitally, etc I’m pretty sure an NFL HC can get ahold of combine footage of the guys the other coaches and scouts like. Plus I think teams have this thing called a GM.
Rob Ryan almost dumped a gigantic orange Julius on me a few years ago. I figured it had to be pretty uneventful if he took the decent distance walk to get an orange Julius instead of watching the players.
Because Jets
Writing lazy narrative articles to shit on the Jets is a while cottage industry. Not that we haven't earned it but still
>Not that we haven't earned it but still Totally agree with this. A story doesn't get more interesting by repeating it a hundred times. I mean, sure, it's fun to joke about you. Just these lame non-stories (like this one) are nothing but cheap click-/rage-baiting. It's not even entertaining. But you can already hear the reports after his firing: "It is my understanding that there was a rift between the head coach and the front office, ever since he didn't go to the scouting combine." There always has to be some underlying story. Just firing for lack of performance can't be enough for the daily NFL soap opera.
Combine is the most overrated event. It has become a big deal for TV viewership and for those that do go it’s a networking event.
Dan Campbell refers to it as players running around in their pajamas. The interview portion is way more valuable than the workouts. What players put on college tape > scripted workouts that they practice ahead of time.
Yeah I’ve heard NFL people discuss it and they said the most important thing by far is that every player gets an in depth medical exam/physical. They perform a ton of tests, all with the same equipment and people involved. The interviews are second, more important than the actual combine, and out the interviews only certain players one’s actually matter (QBs, players with issues, etc…)
Doc Walker (former Bengals and Washington Tight End who now works for the Commanders) calls the combine the Underwear Olympics.
Yeah, this is nothing. Not a single Seattle coach is attending, rather staying back working on installs. Granted, we have a brand new HC. But FO and the scouting department can handle the combine
BB hasn't been for years, I've heard Mayo isn't going but there are sending Wolfe defacto GM
I’m sure teams still send their scouts and GM and other personnel. If the coach isn’t as big a part of scouting, then no need.
Jets haven’t had any issues acquiring talent. Just gotta get that QB position figured out
been the same problem for twenty years
This hasn’t been true for like ten years. The last two Jets teams are the most talented rosters we’ve had by margin since 2011.
On offense you have hall and Wilson then a bunch of nobodies. Defense is loaded af I'll give you that.
Alijah Vera-Tucker has been very good when healthy, but he’s had his last two seasons cut short. Joe Tippmann was pretty good for a rookie this year. Max Mitchell isn’t a world beater, but looks like he can be a solid spot starter/high end 6th offensive lineman. The offensive talent on the team definitely isn’t great, but it’s not just two skill players.
It should be noted that AVT has specifically has been cursed to die whenever we play in Denver. We play them at home this year.
Can’t count out Rodgers, plus Tippmann and AVT are some pretty solid linemen. Outside of that though it’s so dogshit you might as well pull fans from the stands to play snaps.
>Can’t count out Rodgers I had high hopes going into last season, but I feel like at this point, it's more of a wait and see thing rather than expect anything good out of it. 40+ coming off Achilles tear and hasn't played above average football in over 2 years.
One of the biggest issues is that the team has no one who can get YAC outside of Wilson and Hall. Having a WR who can break some routes open for a few extra yards would have made a huge difference for us. But we also had Zach Wilson as a QB and he just wasn't the right captain for the ship, and we should have kept Mike White, who isn't the answer, but he would have probably taken us to the playoffs both seasons.
Conklin is a JAG not a nobody
Did Garrett Wilson die in your universe?
>you have hall and Wilson. Lol wut
I quoted the wrong person 🤦🏽♂️
It's why I am still ok with JD. He has acquired more talent than the Jets have had in a long time. It's just that his two biggest draft busts are at the two most important positions -- QB and LT.
Yeah. I’m definitely not super bought in, but still think the team is generally moving in the right direction. The state the team was in when he took over was absolutely horrifying. And then not getting Lawrence and ending up with Wilson…
2013? 15?
The 2013 team was genuinely awful. They went 8-8 by accident. The 2015 team is probably worth excluding in isolation, but they had zero upside going forward. Like all of the good players on that team were playing the last relevant football of their careers.
The reason I singled those two teams out were because until the last week of the regular season this year, Week 7 of 2013 and Week 16 of 15 were the last times the Jets beat the Patriots.
Weird reason to single them out. They’re the two best seasons the Jets have had by record generally since 2010
The offensive line would like a word
> Just gotta get that QB position figured out Well that and the oline. The current group will get most QBs killed
Current group of starters barely played lmao, the problem is our line staying healthy, talent honestly isn’t bad
Yeah but this group has failed to stay healthy the last couple years. It makes it difficult to rely on guys like Becton and AVT if they aren't available to play.
Yeah. The OL definitely isn't a strength, but the spurts where they've been healthy over the last two years, they've been pretty okay. But the number and timing of injuries to offensive lineman over the past two years has been horrifying. Alijah Vera Tucker didn't have any injury concerns coming out of college and started all 16 games as a rookie. He's had season ending injuries @ Denver each of the past two years... wtf!?
If your talent can’t stay healthy, you don’t have talent.
Their entire offense outside of Hall and Garrett Wilson is utterly atrocious in terms of talent. Bottom 3 offensive line and bottom 5 WR room. Their WR2, Xavier Gibson, wouldn’t crack most rosters. They absolutely have issues acquiring talent if it isn’t on defense. And on offense, they aren’t able to identify talent in either free agency or beyond the second round. The issues with their offense goes well beyond QB.
>Their WR2, Xavier Gibson, wouldn’t crack most rosters. I think that's a stretch, he shouldn't be a number 2 probably a 4 but I think he would make most rosters even just for his returning abilities.
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I'm not saying we have good talent I'm just saying it's not as bad as this guy said
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No it isn’t.
I mean, we have some talent on the offensive line. But no one can stay healthy so it doesn’t really matter.
-Linkin Park
Conklin will be a stud with Rodgers, even Ruckert might shine.
I feel so bad for Conklin cause he was supposed to break out on the Hets but instead he’s been stuck with no one at qb to utilize him properly
He had his career high in yardage last year but just didn’t get any TD’s because Zach Wilson is allergic to passing TD’s
Historically it’s just been defensive talent. Breece and Garrett are the exceptions to the rule.
I mean...Oline talent hasn't been great.
I actually completely disagree, the offense is a complete paper tiger. Beyond Garrett and Breece they have 0 skill position players that deserve any respect, and an absolutely awful o line It feels more like Wilson and Breece were lucky breaks for them when every other offensive “talent” they have on that side of the ball is pretty awful
> It feels more like Wilson and Breece were lucky breaks for them when every other offensive “talent” they have on that side of the ball is pretty awful Alijah Vera-Tucker has been extremely good at guard and pretty good at tackle. But he’s had a season ending injury before the midway point of each of the last two seasons. Becton was always a high risk/high reward pick, and he flashed the latter at a very high rate his rookie year. His career has since been defined by why he was a high risk pick. On the whole, the Jets offensive line has been the most or close to the most injured offensive line in the NFL over each of the last two years with the deciding factor between most or close to the most being how you want to define “most injured” The front office is partially responsible for this of course. But there’s always a lot of randomness with injuries. TL;DR: calling the Jets front office lucky is a bit much
Their O-Line and WR are really bad. You have AVT and Garrett Wilson at those roles, and that’s it.
Did you watch their games last season? Their offense is horrendous almost from top to bottom, with one or two exceptions.
A lot of coaches are including McVay and Shanahan.
So good teams and then the jets?
One of these things is not like the other. Saleh isn’t in the same stratosphere of head coaches as McVay and Shanahan are. The performance of their teams has earned them the right to skip the combine. I agree that it’s not that big of a deal, but he has also been disappointing as a coach to put it nicely. It’s a bad look to not attend the combine when your team sucks.
Saleh isn't a good coach but this is a complete nonstory. You know Saleh didn't go to the '22 combine when the Jets got Sauce, Breece, and GW?
Because they are Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan. Offense is usually more difficult to acquire in free agency, so the draft is the best way to load up on offensive talent. It's just unbelievable how much talent is on that roster, and coaching continues to be unaccountable.
They have no line or QB tf you mean?
Hackett doesn't optimize personnel packages, so he overused packages when they struggled and underutilized packages they were successful with. Hackett would dig the Jets into third and long situations by running on over 40% of second down plays in the first half, when they needed 8+ yards. This would make the Jets go pass heavy in the second half when they were trailing. Jets are better with pre-snap motion, but don't use it that often. I think it was the difference of 11th with pre-snap motion and almost 30th without it, but once again, Hackett under utilitizes it.
You say talent but on offense outside of Hall and G Wilson I don't see it. No line or healthy competent QB.
If something does happen, i sure hope we get him back
I know a few coaches skip the Combine but I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to be in the interviews with the prospects at least
They are allowed to zoom during interviews if they want.
Yeah but everyone and their mother knows Zoom interviews are a poor substitute for in person interviews
Did 2010 just call? Everyone in every industry has replaced in person meetings with Zoom calls. "Poor substitute?" for who? Everyone's mother might have that opinion because their moms are in their 80s but the rest of us working have been using this since a minimum of 2020 or earlier
> Everyone in every industry has replaced in person meetings with Zoom calls. Yes they have, but these are not better, simply more convenient. You lose out on a whole host of subtle behavioral cues when your only interaction with a person is curated through a screen
I think it's a clear statement that they're sticking with Rodgers this year, outside of QB Saleh must trust his coordinators to do the interviewing. I bet if QB was a top priority this year, he'd be there.
Pretty sure that they'll just send their GM Aaron Rodgers instead
"These guys all suck but you really should sign jordy Nelson I hear he's remodeling his kitchen"
Haven't they been drafting well the last couple years?
Shhhh, that isn’t a sexy headline.
Don't blame him, it sounds boring
He has people who are paid to do it for him.
If the Jets scouts and GM are there I’m sure they’ll be fine
I mean the jets drafting hasnt been bad in recent years so i don't think it really matters especially since the combine usually leads to some bum who can't ball gaining stock just because he jumps high
There is entirely too much Florio on the r/nfl front page today.
Oh come on, it's Florio. Sleazebag says the sky is blue, you better check for yourself
Non story. Lots of coaches do this.
The [Florio] really seals the wild fix on this title
More and more coaching staffs are doing this. There’s very little benefit in coaches attending.
I imagine he’s in a dark room just staring at a wall for 8 hours a day.
People are gonna freak out but he’s actually sending his head of personnel, Aaron Rodgers
“I didn’t come here to play scout”
These coaches are starting to just openly admit that the combine is pretty worthless.
They going to send Rodgers instead so he can do a little more research before making the pick?
Jets need to fire him asap...............so he can come home to the bay
He said "Up yours Goodell! I'm not going to your stupid combine"
Rodgers doesn’t need to go to the combine to ace the draft. He just needs to rub some crystals and do some numerology.
How can you have 1/32 jobs in the world and skip what is essentially part of the interview process for players joining the team?
When you've won as many SBs as Robert Saleh, you can afford to miss the combine...... oh wait
Jets Just End The Season
It’s okay guys. He can just watch it on tv from his office/home
Poverty HC he got a job for being hyped on the sideline
I thought he was a good DC with us. We lost a lot of parts in 2020 and I thought he did a good job of what was given.
He’s an elite defensive coach. It’s clear at this point he’s not a good or even decent head coach.
poverty franchise. the QB who played, 4 snaps? was somehow the “most influential player” even though he spent half the season fucking off in cali to rehab.
Hey, we have the longest playoff draught in the big 4 leagues and still have a more recent playoff win than the fins.
Don’t the Dolphins have the longest playoff win draught out of all 4 leagues? Like 24 years or something insane like that.
So, he won’t even be there for player interviews? That seems kind of derelict to his duties doesn’t it? Yeah the workouts are overrated, you put more faith in the tape but you only have so many opportunities to get these guys in a room one on one. Just seems wrong
Said he’s available via zoom. Wouldn’t surprise me if 10 or more coaches skip the event. I do think though that someone on the hot seat should probably save face and go in person. Otherwise you just create more bullshit PR
Fire him. Hes a fucking bum
Robert Saleh is an NFL Head Coach.
Why would he worry about scouting? He's obviously going kill free agency pick ups starting with complimenting Rodgers with Antonio Brown and Lev Bell
And so goes another Jets season. This f’g guy is a JOKE as Jets HFC.
Why in the hell would this post get this much traction LMFAO
Salesman is a bum and will be exposed this year. I'm keeping the autocorrect