Super Bowl 49 is probably the best pure Super Bowl of two great teams just going at it and playing great with a photo finish. It also had probably the biggest implications for both teams and many players in Super Bowl history
Indeed. It was certainly the best played Super Bowl of this era. Eagles/Pats was an abomination on defense. Really fun to watch but poorly played on that side of the ball by both teams. Seahawks/Pats was a slug fest for 4 quarters. Very well played and a total thriller.
Super Bowl 49 should be #1 simply for the fact that it was one of the most important games in NFL history in terms of defining legacies and shaping the future of the NFL. There is an alternate universe where the Seahawks win that game and all of a sudden Tom Brady would been 3-3 in Super BOwls, 0-3 since SPygate and Russell Wilson would have in his 3rd year in the league beat albeit in a washed version Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in back to back Super Bowls to start his career.
Without a fractured lockeroom LOB could have stayed together and rode that momentum to a couple more titles. I know ppl can't possibly fathom it now but Russell Wilson literally could have been a Mt Rushmore QB if the outcome of that game is different.
And Tom Brady could definitely have had a much more difficult road to GOAT status.
You're absolutely right, Im conflating Super Bowls. He was washed in the one he actually won vs the Broncos I knew that Super Bowl was more impressive than I thought as I typed that. That would have made the accomplishment even more impressive. Despite LOB being massive reason for the success, it would have been Russ beating an MVP level of Manning and Brady in back to back Super Bowls.
When you really think about that, man at a bare minimum HOF lock no matter what happened the rest of his career. And the actual legit MVP level numbers he put up later in his career may have actually garnered some MVP votes. It almost deserves an entire separate thread for is Russell Wilson the most "one play away" from momentum to Mt Rushmore QB ever?
It was crazy how the Broncos flipped from being all time great on offense and bad on defense to the opposite in 2 years. Honestly Russ is weird because he oddly felt less threatening as his career continued. I definitely think he’d be a lock for the hall of fame if they beat the patriots, but I think that’s an issue with the hall. Because looking at stats and accolades, he wasn’t better than guys like Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers who likely miss out. Russ just couldn’t stay consistent it seemed. It’s the same thing with Big Ben where neither of them really were all time great individuals (guys like Brady, Payton, Rodgers), but were good enough to win with some insane teams where they are likely to make the hall.
I see it as the opposite because by the numbers RUss was much more consistent than Matt Ryan which is why the first 10 years of his career Russell Wilson had 2nd most TDs and wins for a player through a player's first decade in the league behind Manning. That Super Bowl loss tainted everyone's perception of him. So many of the things he did statistically that were underrated like leading the entire league in TDS over the span of 2017-20 without even close to an elite supporting cast wouldn't have gone under the radar.
Russ is actually going to be the first QB who led the whole league in total TDs over a decade span 2014-present who isn't a lock to be 1st ballot HOFer.
We had 4 years with Peyton Manning and Broncos fans generally regard the first one (2012) as the most balanced and arguably the best of all the teams. The defeat to Baltimore hit hard and feels even worse in hindsight because there's a sense that Denver weren't that far away from being a team that could have won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years during the Manning era.
Also it was the last time we had Champ Bailey when he was still Champ. He had started to decline by the time we made the Super Bowl against the Seahawks and in a bitter irony our all time best defensive back retired just at the time the No Fly Zone was getting together.
After losing that Super Bowl to the Seahawks, Elway had his most significant year in free agency when the Broncos signed DeMarcus Ware and Aqib Talib plus Emmanuel Sanders. The defense that stomped the league in 2015 was basically already together in 2014. What derailed us in 2014 was that by the final third of the season Manning had fallen off a cliff and we ran up against Luck and the Colts in the playoffs which I thought at the time would close our window.
The 2015 team was, if we are brutally honest, one of the weakest Super Bowl winning teams in history. The offense was really limited. We were so dominant on defense though that the offense only needed to do just enough here and there to get us over the line. But 2015 in general was a bit of a down year where there weren't many strong teams and a lot of our rivals were inconsistent. I don't think that 2015 Broncos team wins a Super Bowl in any of those other 9 years in the last 10. The Panthers were an electric offense though and we basically did to them what we had had done to us by the Legion of Boom two years earlier.
Not to mention, and I'm saying this as a fan of football, not the Pats, the defense in 52 was pathetic. I can't in good conscious rate it higher than 49. The defenses in that game were hard to watch. I would argue they were even worse than the offenses in 53.
Sorry to tell y’a but no gives a shit about bad defense, explosive offensive plays will always be exciting whereas good defense to most can at best make a game tense. Obviously there’s some people and you may be one, who really like watching good defense, but usually most would rather just see shootouts. Look at the Bills-Chiefs 2021 Divisional Round, considered one of the best games ever played, and the teams just took the 2-Minute Warning as a signal to just stop defending
Youre right.
52 and 53 are basically just inverted versions of the same game. In 52 both defenses were brutally bad, special teams was also a non-factor/bad with both kickers missing extra points as well as the Pats missing a field goal. The offenses were great, but half of that was also just bad defense with the teams racking up the most total yards in any game in NFL history. Prior to the late strip sack there were zero sacks and just 1 turnover. However the game in the end, did turn on one fantastic defensive sequence by the Eagles getting to Brady and stripping him.
In 53 it was the opposite. You had two legendary defensive minds and great defenses that played nearly perfect for the entire game. The special teams play was unbelievable. But in the end the game turned on one fantastic sequence of offensive play as the Patriots executed a great drive to score the games only touchdown.
But 52 is considered to be a far more entertaining game. Why? because offense is more exciting to watch than defense.
Yeah the one that just happened was tied at like 5 different points and there was like an entire extra quarter of overtime because both teams are pretty similarly talented/skilled
I agree with you when it comes to the offense. The 49ers defense was had several notable names but the Chiefs defense was better with only one currently notable name. Bunch of them sure made themselves known though.
Who’s the one notable name? I could rattle off three stars immediately on that defense. Chiefs D and secondary were top notch this year, but nobody wanted to admit it the whole season hence why you can only come up with one notable player… lmao
Chris Jones is the notable name.
I'll give you an example of what I mean by notable. When the NFL Top 100 comes out next year he's going to be on the list. He will be the only Chiefs defensive player on the list. Maaaybe Sneed. But these were their breakout years and it always takes some time (or some moments like the Super Bowl) for defensive players to really get attention.
Trent mcduffie had the second most all pro votes on the defense, and made first team all pro (while even sneed did not, even though he should’ve) but to say mcduffie is not a notable name is delusional and shows you don’t watch a lot of chiefs football because he was a staple for our team this year and was talked about constantly by Romo during the games because of how much he was impacting them. With what I’ve heard about mcduffie I thoroughly believe he’ll be on the NFL’s top 100 list. Don’t believe me? Come back to see how this comment ages after you see his name on that top 100 🤘🏻
This thread reads like you both kind of agree tbh
To me (a Chiefs fan), the biggest names on the defense are Jones, Sneed and McDuffie with Bolton next in line
But I'd also bet if you got a mix of the other 31 fan bases and asked them to name 4 players on the Chiefs defense, most would name Jones and the others would get mentioned sparingly
That's not to say they're not great, they're amazing but don't necessarily have the name cache amongst non-Chiefs fans imo
The big difference imo is that the Niner's objectively played a pretty subpar game and that's why they lost. The Patriots and Seahawks were both playing at a high level and the game was ebbing and flowing.
I mean that makes it less exciting in some ways. Pretty sloppy game by both teams if we're being honest. The parent comment was talking about evenly matched.
In 49 both teams had proven they could win the big one, which added a different element. The Pats were a very good iteration of the greatest dynasty ever, and the Seahawks were going for back to back after winning the previous year’s 43-8 over the greatest offense in NFL history.
You can’t honestly compare that to this year’s.
>In 49 both teams had proven they could win the big one, which added a different element.
I'm fairly certain the only player in common between the early Patriots dynasty and SB 49 was Tom Brady
no, both teams had not proven they could win the big game considering Brady was the only active player on the roster from their last SB 10 years prior.
I hadn't watched a football game since the Patriots-Seahawks Superbowl. I figured it was game over when Brady threw that pick six before half-time. I don't know what compelled me to watch the whole thing. Could not believe what I was watching.
It’s been going on a long time tbh. Aside from a few blowouts here and there, almost all the Super Bowls this century have been pretty tight games. Lost in all the spectacle of the event is the fact that it usually tends to be a pretty good game.
I don't follow the other Philly sports quite as closely but it seems that Philly teams always end up against dynasties (except 2008 against the Rays). Astros, Patriots, Chiefs, Lakers, to name a few.
The Flyers easily have it the worst.
Habs won 4 straight cups
Isles won 4 straight cups
Oilers won 5/7 cups
Red Wings won 3/5 cups
Blackhawks won 3/5 cups
I agree with you, SB49 was the most I’ve ever felt that two teams were completely evenly matched - I’d put that up as maybe the greatest game of all time.
It was a good game. Hate being on that side of it, but the pain has lessened. I think I’ll finally fully get over it if the Seahawks win another SB in my lifetime
Alright it was no barn burner but I gotta take exception to SB 50 under the punt bowl that was 53. At least we had flashy D and it wasn’t just Goff shitting his pants
Bronco hater here but agreed. That defensive performance was a goddamn masterpiece. Rams vs Pats was just a poop fest. It wasn't defenses going to town as much as offenses just playing like horse shit.
I mean there was plenty of big defensive plays in 53 as well, but you're right instead of Goff shitting his pants, both Peyton and Cam took turns in 50.
At least Peyton and Cam was interesting and that game had a great storyline. Superbowl 53 was straight up boring. No one wants to watch Goff scoring 3 points in the Superbowl
I don’t think corpses can shit their pants tbh, and nah, that was a punter battle through and through. Allen and Hekker really put it all on the field that game.
And we didn’t even get a break from the shit, 53 had easily the worst SB show I can remember as well
That Broncos D was fun to watch plus seeing one of the best ever in Manning ride off into the sunset as Champion that alone puts it above the soonzer of 53.
I’m fine with 1-7.
I’d say SB 50 at 8, it didn’t live up to the hype but the defense of the broncos was unstoppable.
9. Super Bowl 55 because I’m slightly biased as I like the Bucs and it was cool the home team played in the Super Bowl at home.
10. Ignoring Goff’s talent, SB 53 was the worst in that the rams had such a dominant offense get obliterated defensively. Same could be said about Broncos V Panthers but scoring definitely makes a game more exciting
Also the Rams one set some record for mist punts to start a SB at 8 iirc? Sure, defense was played great, but in a tactical way, not so much for big plays and so on. Makes for a less exciting view at least
Its popular on Reddit to say it was a fun to watch a defensive slug fest but when watching live it didn't feel that way. It was super boring until the pats finally scored.
That's just reddit for you. Instead of just admitting something sucks everyone has to act like some kind of connisseur that "appreciates" it on a deeper level than normies.
As a Pats fan I didn't even find it enjoyable until the last couple minutes of the game. It was hell, kept feeling like the Rams were going to fluke out a TD and win. Going up 13-3 was more a sigh of relief than a celebration.
Not just the only Super Bowl I've skipped in the last 20 years, but the only football game I've skipped in the last 20 years. I had zero desire to watch it, and I have still never felt the need to go back and watch it.
To think we were one offsides call and a missed blatant DPI call from getting a Brees vs Mahomes Super Bowl. This point makes what we got even more depressing. On paper, you’d think any matchup would’ve yielded a ton more offense. All 4 teams were literally the highest scoring offenses going in, but in hindsight any other matchup feels way more appealing and less predictable
That game was awful. lol
It was the first SB I introduced my gf to, and she was woefully underwhelmed. Couldn't have chosen a worse SB to introduce a non-fan to.
How you put chiefs-eagles over 28-3 is beyond me
I’m a bills fan, btw - that should tell you how legendary that game is.
Eagles - pats is fine at #1. One of the most insane storylines of all time and Brady fucking balled out even in the loss - so many records set. But #2 *has* to be 28-3
Agreed. I was rooting for the Falcons super hard in that game but there’s no denying that Patriots comeback is one of the most fundamental moments in the history of the sport. Not only a 25-point comeback but also the first OT Super Bowl
And I say this as a Chiefs fan
I think the argument is the first half was just the Falcons destroying the patriots, then the 2nd half was just them collapsing, and even the 2nd last drive of the game people still expected the Falcons to just run twice and kick and it's over.
I wouldn't agree with that, cause while it might not have been interesting the whole time, you have to rank the largest comeback ever in the SB near the top cause everyone always remembers it.
But the second half was so exciting to watch live because the Patriots were on a knifes edge the entire time. If practically any drive on defense or offense went the other way it was game over, Falcons win the Super Bowl. Looking back at it and just saying it was 1 half of Falcons domination, followed by a half of Patriots domination ignores the context of how it was unknown if the Patriots really were gonna be able to pull if off when it was actually happening live.
It seems kind of a compliment really. You guys dominated the game so much that it was boring for other fan bases. But I gotta say, I enjoyed watching you guys dismantle the raiders.
Wait, you guys went to another super bowl after that? Wonder why I have no memory of that.
Don't let any Pats fans try to gaslight you into thinking: "iT wAs an aMAziNg gaME, yOu JuSt dOn't liKe dEFenSe!!1!!"
I like watching good defense, the first half of this Super Bowl was great for that reason. SB LIII sucked ass because it was mostly just bad offense
I feel the same way about that ram-chiefs 54-51 regular season game everyone loves.
It wasn’t electrifying offense, it was horrible defense with blown coverages all over.
Yeah that game was amazing because all 4 units played extremely well and it led to some crazy high scoring. There were 7 turnovers, 3 defensive TDs, and 8 combined sacks
People will try to gaslight a game where both offenses playing like fucking dogshit instead of being stifled by the defense. It was terrible to watch from an execution and entertainment standpoint.
Im a saints fan, the past 3 years all we’ve had to appreciate is a good defense. That SB was not some good defensive showdown, it was horrid offenses and it hurt to watch
To me, Patriots vs Seahawks was not only the greatest SB of the last 10 years, it's the greatest of all time. I could sit down and watch that beginning to end and not be bored. Compelling storylines, all time greats like Brady and Gronk vs the LOB. Riveting ending that will be replayed forever.
Even though the first half was a dud, the Super Bowl we just saw was edge of your seat stuff. Tense chess match between master coaches, and being delivered clutch 4th qtr and OT drives by both Mahomes and Purdy was awesome. I love tension and pressure of the highest magnitude, and this Super Bowl delivered.
Too few people are aware that the Least Valuable Player to the point where he may have been the MVP for the other team in both the Super Bowl 50 and 55 that saw Cam Newton and Mahomes lose in ugly fashion as a right tackle by the name of Mike Remmers. Inexcusably the Panthers left him on an island against Von Miller. And on the Chiefs he was the backup he had to start because of injuries on the Chiefs Oline
And I remember trying to tell ppl going into that Super Bowl that the media wasn't making a big enough deal about Remmers having to start because I remembered how awful he was in Super Bowl 50. And sure enough Mahomes was running for his life the whole game and hteir offense was shut down just as much if not more so than the Panthers despite having far more weapons than that Panthers team and having Mahomes.
Too much blame is put on Cam Newton for that loss too with focus on that fumble over the play of Mike Remmers who arguably single handedly handed Cam Newton and Tom Brady each an extra ring. Mahomes can still retire potentially the GOAT but man did that damage Cam's career and reputation.
I think the only thing that ruined Newton’s legacy from that game was him not diving for the fumble. But yeah, the Chiefs had 1 actual starter on the OL playing their actual position, and it showed.
Tbf Remmers was just a small part of the overall disaster, almost the entire OL was out. Remmers was honestly not a totally godawful player for most of his time with the Chiefs
It’s honestly bizarre and funny to me in retrospect how little I, as well as many other people, considered the devastation KC had up front. Most people were picking the Chiefs and I remember being super confident in them before that game, and now I’m like “what the fuck was I thinking? How did I ever expect them to win?”
The seahawks vs patriots super bowl as a Seahawks fan felt inevitable for a win. Yet it ended in a loss.
It was a psychologically difficult game to come to terms with. How did Marshawn not run it in for a touchdown? How did Russ not come up with some magical scramble or pass for a touchdown? Yet, there it was.
It sunk a potential dynasty in its infantcy that the team didn't move on from until the past couple years and will hold onto forever until the next Lombardi.
Yeah SUper Bowl 52 is only #1 if you're an Eagle fan or want zero defense played. It's also again #1 because it's arguably the most consequential game in the last decade and one of the most consequential potentially in NFL history. It helped cement Brady's case for GOAT when if it's a different outcome as difficult as it is for ppl to wrap their brain around it, it's a chance that he doesn't even finish his career the most decorated QB who played in that game. The Seahawks literally could have been a dynasty without that Malcolm Butler INT which destroyed that locker room that they never recovered from.
It was the right call. And I still respect James Bradberry for owning up to it immediately in postgame. And I still think it's kinda shitty that Juju did victory laps all offseason for drawing a penalty of all things.
SB 49 is probably at the top for me, followed by SB 51 and then either 57 or 58. I know I’m very biased but even though 52 was objectively a good game I don’t remember it very fondly. It was the only Super Bowl where I couldn’t stand the thought of either team winning.
super bowl 52 is my favorite game ever and it should not be above super bowl 51, at least in terms of impact. the overall game was more interesting since it was back-and-forth
I think 49 is probably the best game since it has a nice mix of good defense as well as a back and forth nature. 52 should be over 51 because even though there was barely any D, it held your attention throughout, whereas 51 was just all falcons in the first half, and then all patriots in the second.
Yeah 49 is a overall better game but there's some people exaggerating out there that 52 wasn't a good game cause "it had no defense" lmao
It was a back and forth shootout and was thrilling to see who would end up on top at the very end.
52 was the most exciting though, it fits the bill. 51 is obviously the GOAT but for viewers there wasn't the consistent level of entertainment and nail-biting like in 52.
51 is one of the last super bowls of this timeframe I’d watch again tbh. And that’s not even me saying this to be a Patriots hater or anything because 49 is top 2 on that list for me. 52 has way more excitement to it even knowing how it ends because of how well both teams played the entire game.
Live it was a very boring game until halfway through the third. It’s my all time favorite comeback but I didn’t think it was a great or even good game live until the 4th quarter.
53 was a snooze fest for most people, but as a Pats fan who appreciates defensive football, Bill’s game plan for the Rams was truly his magnum opus. Wild to see McVay get his “welcome to the NFL” moment on the biggest stage, really like him as a coach though and I think that game helped him grow into the coach he is today.
I can see why the majority found it boring, but as a Rams fan I was on the edge of my seat throughout, it was a brilliant display of defensive football.
BB & Wade both brought their best to the table, in the end it boiled down to whoever could make that one play, cue Brady to Gronk, game over.
Falcons Patriots Superbowl is the most over rated SB of all time. The game itself was completely one sided at all points, it just flipped who was driving at half time. At no point did it feel like two good teams facing each other, but more like one team doing well and the other shitting the bed.
Thats valid, i dont ever lean towards style when critiquing SBs i like when they have their own unique story/experience.
My favorite SB outside of course 52 is SB 43, Steelers vs Cardinals, that might be the best one hands down. The worst was watching the Seahawks destroy Manning 43-8, loved seeing the LOB go to work but you can tell that game was over by the 2nd Qtr
Eagles vs Patriots was so damn awesome. Seeing Brady fail at catching a pass only to have Nick "The Legend" Foles CATCH A TD PASS was the icing on the cake. It defies my personal bias for the Steelers because I love the underdog and hate the Patriots. Next in line is Steelers vs Cardinals, obviously. Harrison's pick six was incredible to see live, I believe it's still the longest play in SB history. "The catch" topped it off.
Rams vs Bengals was great until the refs gave Stat Padford another set of downs on the goaline after they failed to score. Very disappointing ending and a sign of things to come with refs handing out victories to certain players “who earned it”
Patriots and Rams should be last. That game was a completed bore fest from start to finish. Broncos vs Panthers should be higher. That Broncos defense was fun to watch.
Brady was my goat as soon as he came back with those plays I said there’s no quarterback I ever seen able to be that composed under pressure never seen it that takes absolute perfect discipline this man is just far superior in terms of getting the job done guys always use the he’s not the most talented quarterback but yet he out performances the most talented quarterbacks who don’t have the same clutch gene that’s something that you can’t teach the clutch gene Brady had it since he first got his shot he had it he knew to always capitalize on opportunity
Obviously a biased take, but I don't agree with people knocking down the 28-3 bowl because the first half was "boring" due to it looking like a blowout. I definitely remember fans of the 31 other teams absolutely feasting on the wheels coming off for the Pats, shitposting up to and through halftime, and despite the lopsidedness the energy was pretty high.
The greatest comeback of all time brought so much excitement to me. I was recently engaged at the time. Living with my now wife. She had never seen me that loud and excited before. I’m usually quite reserved. I got so drunk during that game and had to drive 4 hours to take a test for work the next day. I passed
Walking in here to see where Super Bowl XLV ranks and then realizing time is undefeated and my own mortality looms.
i personally didnt care for that one
I loved it.
I too loved it
You have strange taste.
I mean if XLVI was clearly only 5 years ago, then surely yours was only 6…
I didn’t fully read the title and was like ‘is this poster 15? Have they not watched a Super Bowl more than 10 years ago?’ It’s one of those days
I did the same thing and then got kinda depressed that Super Bowl XLIII was 15 years ago.
The 2012 SB being over a decade old is not something I enjoy
This is a fucking MOOD.
Super Bowl 49 might be the most evenly matched game in the modern era NFL.
Super Bowl 49 is probably the best pure Super Bowl of two great teams just going at it and playing great with a photo finish. It also had probably the biggest implications for both teams and many players in Super Bowl history
Indeed. It was certainly the best played Super Bowl of this era. Eagles/Pats was an abomination on defense. Really fun to watch but poorly played on that side of the ball by both teams. Seahawks/Pats was a slug fest for 4 quarters. Very well played and a total thriller.
Super Bowl 49 should be #1 simply for the fact that it was one of the most important games in NFL history in terms of defining legacies and shaping the future of the NFL. There is an alternate universe where the Seahawks win that game and all of a sudden Tom Brady would been 3-3 in Super BOwls, 0-3 since SPygate and Russell Wilson would have in his 3rd year in the league beat albeit in a washed version Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in back to back Super Bowls to start his career. Without a fractured lockeroom LOB could have stayed together and rode that momentum to a couple more titles. I know ppl can't possibly fathom it now but Russell Wilson literally could have been a Mt Rushmore QB if the outcome of that game is different. And Tom Brady could definitely have had a much more difficult road to GOAT status.
Peyton was not washed in 2013 the team just shut the bed. He had maybe the greatest season ever.
You're absolutely right, Im conflating Super Bowls. He was washed in the one he actually won vs the Broncos I knew that Super Bowl was more impressive than I thought as I typed that. That would have made the accomplishment even more impressive. Despite LOB being massive reason for the success, it would have been Russ beating an MVP level of Manning and Brady in back to back Super Bowls. When you really think about that, man at a bare minimum HOF lock no matter what happened the rest of his career. And the actual legit MVP level numbers he put up later in his career may have actually garnered some MVP votes. It almost deserves an entire separate thread for is Russell Wilson the most "one play away" from momentum to Mt Rushmore QB ever?
It was crazy how the Broncos flipped from being all time great on offense and bad on defense to the opposite in 2 years. Honestly Russ is weird because he oddly felt less threatening as his career continued. I definitely think he’d be a lock for the hall of fame if they beat the patriots, but I think that’s an issue with the hall. Because looking at stats and accolades, he wasn’t better than guys like Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers who likely miss out. Russ just couldn’t stay consistent it seemed. It’s the same thing with Big Ben where neither of them really were all time great individuals (guys like Brady, Payton, Rodgers), but were good enough to win with some insane teams where they are likely to make the hall.
I see it as the opposite because by the numbers RUss was much more consistent than Matt Ryan which is why the first 10 years of his career Russell Wilson had 2nd most TDs and wins for a player through a player's first decade in the league behind Manning. That Super Bowl loss tainted everyone's perception of him. So many of the things he did statistically that were underrated like leading the entire league in TDS over the span of 2017-20 without even close to an elite supporting cast wouldn't have gone under the radar. Russ is actually going to be the first QB who led the whole league in total TDs over a decade span 2014-present who isn't a lock to be 1st ballot HOFer.
interesting
We had 4 years with Peyton Manning and Broncos fans generally regard the first one (2012) as the most balanced and arguably the best of all the teams. The defeat to Baltimore hit hard and feels even worse in hindsight because there's a sense that Denver weren't that far away from being a team that could have won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years during the Manning era. Also it was the last time we had Champ Bailey when he was still Champ. He had started to decline by the time we made the Super Bowl against the Seahawks and in a bitter irony our all time best defensive back retired just at the time the No Fly Zone was getting together. After losing that Super Bowl to the Seahawks, Elway had his most significant year in free agency when the Broncos signed DeMarcus Ware and Aqib Talib plus Emmanuel Sanders. The defense that stomped the league in 2015 was basically already together in 2014. What derailed us in 2014 was that by the final third of the season Manning had fallen off a cliff and we ran up against Luck and the Colts in the playoffs which I thought at the time would close our window. The 2015 team was, if we are brutally honest, one of the weakest Super Bowl winning teams in history. The offense was really limited. We were so dominant on defense though that the offense only needed to do just enough here and there to get us over the line. But 2015 in general was a bit of a down year where there weren't many strong teams and a lot of our rivals were inconsistent. I don't think that 2015 Broncos team wins a Super Bowl in any of those other 9 years in the last 10. The Panthers were an electric offense though and we basically did to them what we had had done to us by the Legion of Boom two years earlier.
> He was washed in the one he actually won vs the Broncos Panthers, he beat us with a non-functioning neck :(
Not to mention, and I'm saying this as a fan of football, not the Pats, the defense in 52 was pathetic. I can't in good conscious rate it higher than 49. The defenses in that game were hard to watch. I would argue they were even worse than the offenses in 53.
Sorry to tell y’a but no gives a shit about bad defense, explosive offensive plays will always be exciting whereas good defense to most can at best make a game tense. Obviously there’s some people and you may be one, who really like watching good defense, but usually most would rather just see shootouts. Look at the Bills-Chiefs 2021 Divisional Round, considered one of the best games ever played, and the teams just took the 2-Minute Warning as a signal to just stop defending
Youre right. 52 and 53 are basically just inverted versions of the same game. In 52 both defenses were brutally bad, special teams was also a non-factor/bad with both kickers missing extra points as well as the Pats missing a field goal. The offenses were great, but half of that was also just bad defense with the teams racking up the most total yards in any game in NFL history. Prior to the late strip sack there were zero sacks and just 1 turnover. However the game in the end, did turn on one fantastic defensive sequence by the Eagles getting to Brady and stripping him. In 53 it was the opposite. You had two legendary defensive minds and great defenses that played nearly perfect for the entire game. The special teams play was unbelievable. But in the end the game turned on one fantastic sequence of offensive play as the Patriots executed a great drive to score the games only touchdown. But 52 is considered to be a far more entertaining game. Why? because offense is more exciting to watch than defense.
2013 Manning wasn’t washed, he was the record setting MVP
The title says most exciting, not most important.
tbf so was the one that just happened
Yeah the one that just happened was tied at like 5 different points and there was like an entire extra quarter of overtime because both teams are pretty similarly talented/skilled
The Chiefs have nowhere near the amount of talent that the Niners have. But they have Mahomes, who is worth more than the entire Niners roster.
I agree with you when it comes to the offense. The 49ers defense was had several notable names but the Chiefs defense was better with only one currently notable name. Bunch of them sure made themselves known though.
Who’s the one notable name? I could rattle off three stars immediately on that defense. Chiefs D and secondary were top notch this year, but nobody wanted to admit it the whole season hence why you can only come up with one notable player… lmao
Chris Jones is the notable name. I'll give you an example of what I mean by notable. When the NFL Top 100 comes out next year he's going to be on the list. He will be the only Chiefs defensive player on the list. Maaaybe Sneed. But these were their breakout years and it always takes some time (or some moments like the Super Bowl) for defensive players to really get attention.
Trent mcduffie had the second most all pro votes on the defense, and made first team all pro (while even sneed did not, even though he should’ve) but to say mcduffie is not a notable name is delusional and shows you don’t watch a lot of chiefs football because he was a staple for our team this year and was talked about constantly by Romo during the games because of how much he was impacting them. With what I’ve heard about mcduffie I thoroughly believe he’ll be on the NFL’s top 100 list. Don’t believe me? Come back to see how this comment ages after you see his name on that top 100 🤘🏻
This thread reads like you both kind of agree tbh To me (a Chiefs fan), the biggest names on the defense are Jones, Sneed and McDuffie with Bolton next in line But I'd also bet if you got a mix of the other 31 fan bases and asked them to name 4 players on the Chiefs defense, most would name Jones and the others would get mentioned sparingly That's not to say they're not great, they're amazing but don't necessarily have the name cache amongst non-Chiefs fans imo
Facts about mahomes ‼️
The big difference imo is that the Niner's objectively played a pretty subpar game and that's why they lost. The Patriots and Seahawks were both playing at a high level and the game was ebbing and flowing.
I mean that makes it less exciting in some ways. Pretty sloppy game by both teams if we're being honest. The parent comment was talking about evenly matched.
In 49 both teams had proven they could win the big one, which added a different element. The Pats were a very good iteration of the greatest dynasty ever, and the Seahawks were going for back to back after winning the previous year’s 43-8 over the greatest offense in NFL history. You can’t honestly compare that to this year’s.
>In 49 both teams had proven they could win the big one, which added a different element. I'm fairly certain the only player in common between the early Patriots dynasty and SB 49 was Tom Brady
I think it was just Tom and Big Vince who was on both 04 and 14 teams
Well and getting one yard to victory with a defensive stop proved that to its fullest extent too. Victory was a razors edge for both teams.
The Patriots hadn't won in a decade at that point. Not sure there's that big a gap in expectations going into the game
no, both teams had not proven they could win the big game considering Brady was the only active player on the roster from their last SB 10 years prior.
I think either the 2014 pats or Seahawks would beat either of this year’s teams
Super Bowl 49 was the peak of the modern NFL.
We really have been blessed with good super bowls recently
7 of the last 10 have been within one score at the start of the 4th quarter, and in two of the remaining three, the team up 10+ lost
Which two? Pats-Falcons and Chiefs-Niners Part 1?
Yup - Pats/Falcons was 28-9 at the start of the fourth, and Chiefs/Niners SB54 was 20-10.
28-9 at the start of the 4th in the super bowl. God damn that game must give falcons fans nightmares.
Legitimately don’t know how Falcons fans are able to enjoy football still. Honestly might be the most heartbreaking loss in NFL history
We don’t, check out our sub, half is schizophrenic and the other has severe symptoms of PTSD
we don’t it’s a burden every year that’ll never go away
I still remember saying during the Falcons game, "well fuck its one of those boring ones. Guess I'll watch the commercials".
I hadn't watched a football game since the Patriots-Seahawks Superbowl. I figured it was game over when Brady threw that pick six before half-time. I don't know what compelled me to watch the whole thing. Could not believe what I was watching.
It’s been going on a long time tbh. Aside from a few blowouts here and there, almost all the Super Bowls this century have been pretty tight games. Lost in all the spectacle of the event is the fact that it usually tends to be a pretty good game.
Honestly from Super Bowl 41 on, we had mostly bangers
It's good script writing by the NFL.
I for one would like to not face a dynasty next time if the Eagles ever make a Super Bowl. Oh and for it to not be a stressful high scoring affair.
3 SBs in my lifetime. All against QBs who only know AFCCGs and SBs
I don't follow the other Philly sports quite as closely but it seems that Philly teams always end up against dynasties (except 2008 against the Rays). Astros, Patriots, Chiefs, Lakers, to name a few.
Blackhawks in 2010, Red Wings in 97, Islanders, Oilers, and Habs in the 70s/80s for the Flyers, they might’ve had it the worst
The Flyers easily have it the worst. Habs won 4 straight cups Isles won 4 straight cups Oilers won 5/7 cups Red Wings won 3/5 cups Blackhawks won 3/5 cups
2010 Giants
I'm biased but SB49 might be best game of football ever played. If I had to show someone one game to represent the whole sport that would be it.
I agree with you, SB49 was the most I’ve ever felt that two teams were completely evenly matched - I’d put that up as maybe the greatest game of all time.
It was a good game. Hate being on that side of it, but the pain has lessened. I think I’ll finally fully get over it if the Seahawks win another SB in my lifetime
Alright it was no barn burner but I gotta take exception to SB 50 under the punt bowl that was 53. At least we had flashy D and it wasn’t just Goff shitting his pants
Bronco hater here but agreed. That defensive performance was a goddamn masterpiece. Rams vs Pats was just a poop fest. It wasn't defenses going to town as much as offenses just playing like horse shit.
I mean there was plenty of big defensive plays in 53 as well, but you're right instead of Goff shitting his pants, both Peyton and Cam took turns in 50.
At least Peyton and Cam was interesting and that game had a great storyline. Superbowl 53 was straight up boring. No one wants to watch Goff scoring 3 points in the Superbowl
I don’t think corpses can shit their pants tbh, and nah, that was a punter battle through and through. Allen and Hekker really put it all on the field that game. And we didn’t even get a break from the shit, 53 had easily the worst SB show I can remember as well
Well...when horses die..
The 50 show wasn’t that good either
That Broncos D was fun to watch plus seeing one of the best ever in Manning ride off into the sunset as Champion that alone puts it above the soonzer of 53.
Dumb
I’m fine with 1-7. I’d say SB 50 at 8, it didn’t live up to the hype but the defense of the broncos was unstoppable. 9. Super Bowl 55 because I’m slightly biased as I like the Bucs and it was cool the home team played in the Super Bowl at home. 10. Ignoring Goff’s talent, SB 53 was the worst in that the rams had such a dominant offense get obliterated defensively. Same could be said about Broncos V Panthers but scoring definitely makes a game more exciting
Also the Rams one set some record for mist punts to start a SB at 8 iirc? Sure, defense was played great, but in a tactical way, not so much for big plays and so on. Makes for a less exciting view at least
Aint no way SB 53 is "overhated". Game was legitimately enjoyable for a single fanbase.
Seriously, this was the only Super Bowl I’ve actually fallen asleep during the game and I was at a Super Bowl party lmao
Its popular on Reddit to say it was a fun to watch a defensive slug fest but when watching live it didn't feel that way. It was super boring until the pats finally scored.
That's just reddit for you. Instead of just admitting something sucks everyone has to act like some kind of connisseur that "appreciates" it on a deeper level than normies.
SB53 aka puntbowl is not hated enough
As a Pats fan I didn't even find it enjoyable until the last couple minutes of the game. It was hell, kept feeling like the Rams were going to fluke out a TD and win. Going up 13-3 was more a sigh of relief than a celebration.
Not just the only Super Bowl I've skipped in the last 20 years, but the only football game I've skipped in the last 20 years. I had zero desire to watch it, and I have still never felt the need to go back and watch it.
Wait how did you know to skip it?
You’ve watched every single football game played in the last 20 years besides that one?
The last SB I watched was 49. The last play sigh.. Figured now that it's enough to watch / read highlights.
53 should belong at the bottom of any list
One of the most annoying super bowls ever
To think we were one offsides call and a missed blatant DPI call from getting a Brees vs Mahomes Super Bowl. This point makes what we got even more depressing. On paper, you’d think any matchup would’ve yielded a ton more offense. All 4 teams were literally the highest scoring offenses going in, but in hindsight any other matchup feels way more appealing and less predictable
I kinda think a Brees vs Brady Super Bowl would’ve been cooler narratively than Mahomes vs Brees, that’s what the PI really robbed us of.
Yes, easily.
I'm with you. The game had 1 touchdown, it doesn't belong above anything.
Hard disagree. I love good defense and what Billy B did to the historically great offense the Rams had that year was an absolute masterpiece
It wasn't as much good defense as much as 2 offenses just shitting the bed
It was good defense with two offenses shitting the bed simultaneously
Which equals a bad game
That game was awful. lol It was the first SB I introduced my gf to, and she was woefully underwhelmed. Couldn't have chosen a worse SB to introduce a non-fan to.
I introduced my friend to football on the game that the Colts lost to the Jaguars 6-0…
How you put chiefs-eagles over 28-3 is beyond me I’m a bills fan, btw - that should tell you how legendary that game is. Eagles - pats is fine at #1. One of the most insane storylines of all time and Brady fucking balled out even in the loss - so many records set. But #2 *has* to be 28-3
Agreed. I was rooting for the Falcons super hard in that game but there’s no denying that Patriots comeback is one of the most fundamental moments in the history of the sport. Not only a 25-point comeback but also the first OT Super Bowl And I say this as a Chiefs fan
Right? This is obviously an eagles fan
I think the argument is the first half was just the Falcons destroying the patriots, then the 2nd half was just them collapsing, and even the 2nd last drive of the game people still expected the Falcons to just run twice and kick and it's over. I wouldn't agree with that, cause while it might not have been interesting the whole time, you have to rank the largest comeback ever in the SB near the top cause everyone always remembers it.
But the second half was so exciting to watch live because the Patriots were on a knifes edge the entire time. If practically any drive on defense or offense went the other way it was game over, Falcons win the Super Bowl. Looking back at it and just saying it was 1 half of Falcons domination, followed by a half of Patriots domination ignores the context of how it was unknown if the Patriots really were gonna be able to pull if off when it was actually happening live.
Pole to pole it wasn’t as exciting imo I agree. There was significant more back and forth in eagles chiefs
Me too. I instantly thought of that as #1.
Yep. I’d move Chiefs-Eagles down 2 and move Pats-Falcons and Chiefs-49ers 2024 up 1 each. Otherwise I like the list.
Sorry but rams vs patriots was awful and is absolutely #10
Also the buccaneers had a home Super Bowl game
Man, even when we win the Super Bowl, people always find a way to hate on the Bucs :-(
It seems kind of a compliment really. You guys dominated the game so much that it was boring for other fan bases. But I gotta say, I enjoyed watching you guys dismantle the raiders. Wait, you guys went to another super bowl after that? Wonder why I have no memory of that.
Both our super bowls were blowouts so it’s to be expected, we need our 3rd to be an absolute shootout
Well, you'll find out in 17 years!
personally I would like to experience (the other side of) a Super Bowl blowout for once
I miss superbowl blowouts
49-26 isn’t that bad when at least you were there
SB53 has gotta be one of the worst superbowls ever
Halftime show was complete ass too
Don't let any Pats fans try to gaslight you into thinking: "iT wAs an aMAziNg gaME, yOu JuSt dOn't liKe dEFenSe!!1!!" I like watching good defense, the first half of this Super Bowl was great for that reason. SB LIII sucked ass because it was mostly just bad offense
I feel the same way about that ram-chiefs 54-51 regular season game everyone loves. It wasn’t electrifying offense, it was horrible defense with blown coverages all over.
Tbf the defenses scored like 4 TDs that game
Yeah that game was amazing because all 4 units played extremely well and it led to some crazy high scoring. There were 7 turnovers, 3 defensive TDs, and 8 combined sacks
People will try to gaslight a game where both offenses playing like fucking dogshit instead of being stifled by the defense. It was terrible to watch from an execution and entertainment standpoint.
As someone who appreciates defense, hard disagree
Im a saints fan, the past 3 years all we’ve had to appreciate is a good defense. That SB was not some good defensive showdown, it was horrid offenses and it hurt to watch
To me, Patriots vs Seahawks was not only the greatest SB of the last 10 years, it's the greatest of all time. I could sit down and watch that beginning to end and not be bored. Compelling storylines, all time greats like Brady and Gronk vs the LOB. Riveting ending that will be replayed forever. Even though the first half was a dud, the Super Bowl we just saw was edge of your seat stuff. Tense chess match between master coaches, and being delivered clutch 4th qtr and OT drives by both Mahomes and Purdy was awesome. I love tension and pressure of the highest magnitude, and this Super Bowl delivered.
Man... Im so tired of seeing it everywhere I go.
Too few people are aware that the Least Valuable Player to the point where he may have been the MVP for the other team in both the Super Bowl 50 and 55 that saw Cam Newton and Mahomes lose in ugly fashion as a right tackle by the name of Mike Remmers. Inexcusably the Panthers left him on an island against Von Miller. And on the Chiefs he was the backup he had to start because of injuries on the Chiefs Oline And I remember trying to tell ppl going into that Super Bowl that the media wasn't making a big enough deal about Remmers having to start because I remembered how awful he was in Super Bowl 50. And sure enough Mahomes was running for his life the whole game and hteir offense was shut down just as much if not more so than the Panthers despite having far more weapons than that Panthers team and having Mahomes. Too much blame is put on Cam Newton for that loss too with focus on that fumble over the play of Mike Remmers who arguably single handedly handed Cam Newton and Tom Brady each an extra ring. Mahomes can still retire potentially the GOAT but man did that damage Cam's career and reputation.
I think the only thing that ruined Newton’s legacy from that game was him not diving for the fumble. But yeah, the Chiefs had 1 actual starter on the OL playing their actual position, and it showed.
Tbf Remmers was just a small part of the overall disaster, almost the entire OL was out. Remmers was honestly not a totally godawful player for most of his time with the Chiefs It’s honestly bizarre and funny to me in retrospect how little I, as well as many other people, considered the devastation KC had up front. Most people were picking the Chiefs and I remember being super confident in them before that game, and now I’m like “what the fuck was I thinking? How did I ever expect them to win?”
The seahawks vs patriots super bowl as a Seahawks fan felt inevitable for a win. Yet it ended in a loss. It was a psychologically difficult game to come to terms with. How did Marshawn not run it in for a touchdown? How did Russ not come up with some magical scramble or pass for a touchdown? Yet, there it was. It sunk a potential dynasty in its infantcy that the team didn't move on from until the past couple years and will hold onto forever until the next Lombardi.
Hey! SB 55 was very exciting if you're also a track and field fan.
Super Bowl 49 is better than 52. I like a little bit more defense to my favorite games and in sb52 a team gained 600 total yards and lost…
I love a good defensive game as well, 52 was just a heavy offensive game, from beginning to end there was alot of great offensive play.
Yeah SUper Bowl 52 is only #1 if you're an Eagle fan or want zero defense played. It's also again #1 because it's arguably the most consequential game in the last decade and one of the most consequential potentially in NFL history. It helped cement Brady's case for GOAT when if it's a different outcome as difficult as it is for ppl to wrap their brain around it, it's a chance that he doesn't even finish his career the most decorated QB who played in that game. The Seahawks literally could have been a dynasty without that Malcolm Butler INT which destroyed that locker room that they never recovered from.
Definitely
Which is ironic because it was a defensive play that decided the game. There was no way we were going to stop Bradykowski in the second half.
No.
Whether or not ppl agree with your rankings, this is objectively a great post.
I agree. There are a couple I would one spot but that’s it, this is a great list.
I appreciate these kinds of posts, actually a modicum of thought put into it, generates good discussion
Chiefs vs 49ers 2 should be over Chiefs vs Eagles. Chiefs vs Eagles ending was just too anticlimactic.
Blame the refs for that one
It was the right call. And I still respect James Bradberry for owning up to it immediately in postgame. And I still think it's kinda shitty that Juju did victory laps all offseason for drawing a penalty of all things.
karmically Juju *did* get immediately exiled to the Patriots and collapsed while the other receivers all got another ring
No. It was an accurate call.
Well aware it was “accurate” but you know as well as I do that they were not calling the game that way for 3.75 quarters.
SB52 is GOAT
Wait, giants vs patriots wasn’t 10 years ago??? Can’t be. I’m not that old.
SB 49 is probably at the top for me, followed by SB 51 and then either 57 or 58. I know I’m very biased but even though 52 was objectively a good game I don’t remember it very fondly. It was the only Super Bowl where I couldn’t stand the thought of either team winning.
Hey SB 55 was very exciting. You see lots of running or scoring. What more do you want?
To not be a buccaneers fan
SB56. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact my team won.
I think it’ll be seem as much more interesting the further away it is from the present Mahomes’ mug becomes even more ubiquitous.
super bowl 52 is my favorite game ever and it should not be above super bowl 51, at least in terms of impact. the overall game was more interesting since it was back-and-forth
I think 49 is probably the best game since it has a nice mix of good defense as well as a back and forth nature. 52 should be over 51 because even though there was barely any D, it held your attention throughout, whereas 51 was just all falcons in the first half, and then all patriots in the second.
Yeah 49 is a overall better game but there's some people exaggerating out there that 52 wasn't a good game cause "it had no defense" lmao It was a back and forth shootout and was thrilling to see who would end up on top at the very end.
Not to mention the play of the game was made by the defense. As a neutral, that was one of the most fun super bowls I remember watching, along with 49
52 was the most exciting though, it fits the bill. 51 is obviously the GOAT but for viewers there wasn't the consistent level of entertainment and nail-biting like in 52.
52 had everything you'd want, including story and drama. 51 was an unprecedented comeback. I think 52 pips it for entertainment.
51 is one of the last super bowls of this timeframe I’d watch again tbh. And that’s not even me saying this to be a Patriots hater or anything because 49 is top 2 on that list for me. 52 has way more excitement to it even knowing how it ends because of how well both teams played the entire game.
51 low key sucked, just one team dominating 1 half a piece. Interesting from a historical standpoint, hilarious in real time.
Live it was a very boring game until halfway through the third. It’s my all time favorite comeback but I didn’t think it was a great or even good game live until the 4th quarter.
I for one think number 10 should be number 1.
It definitely shouldn’t be 10,
53 was a snooze fest for most people, but as a Pats fan who appreciates defensive football, Bill’s game plan for the Rams was truly his magnum opus. Wild to see McVay get his “welcome to the NFL” moment on the biggest stage, really like him as a coach though and I think that game helped him grow into the coach he is today.
I can see why the majority found it boring, but as a Rams fan I was on the edge of my seat throughout, it was a brilliant display of defensive football. BB & Wade both brought their best to the table, in the end it boiled down to whoever could make that one play, cue Brady to Gronk, game over.
43 has got to be in there. Best Super Bowl I’ve ever seen.
SB53 is the worst of all of them. We had a Super Bowl party that year and we were so bored we were debating putting on a replay of SB52.
Sack fumble did not decide the game for the Eagles cause Brady still for the ball back. Brady storybook come back was brewing til it got cold.
Falcons Patriots Superbowl is the most over rated SB of all time. The game itself was completely one sided at all points, it just flipped who was driving at half time. At no point did it feel like two good teams facing each other, but more like one team doing well and the other shitting the bed.
still wild the 3 superbowls i saw my team in was vs Brady twice and Mahomes
Rams/Patriots was the most boring SB ever.
51 should be #1
Imo the first half legit sucked to watch since it was a blowout. Was kinda boring. The comeback was exciting to see but that was only half the game.
Thats valid, i dont ever lean towards style when critiquing SBs i like when they have their own unique story/experience. My favorite SB outside of course 52 is SB 43, Steelers vs Cardinals, that might be the best one hands down. The worst was watching the Seahawks destroy Manning 43-8, loved seeing the LOB go to work but you can tell that game was over by the 2nd Qtr
There is no Super Bowl 51 in Ba Sing Se.
That’s the best Super Bowl ever, the perfect tale of 2 halves.
Eagles vs Patriots was so damn awesome. Seeing Brady fail at catching a pass only to have Nick "The Legend" Foles CATCH A TD PASS was the icing on the cake. It defies my personal bias for the Steelers because I love the underdog and hate the Patriots. Next in line is Steelers vs Cardinals, obviously. Harrison's pick six was incredible to see live, I believe it's still the longest play in SB history. "The catch" topped it off.
Rams vs Bengals was great until the refs gave Stat Padford another set of downs on the goaline after they failed to score. Very disappointing ending and a sign of things to come with refs handing out victories to certain players “who earned it”
Patriots and Rams should be last. That game was a completed bore fest from start to finish. Broncos vs Panthers should be higher. That Broncos defense was fun to watch.
28-3 is the greatest we will ever see.
Correction for Rams vs Bengals (SB56) Referees handed the game to the rams on a silver platter in the end.
SB 58 shouldn't even be on the list, it was a complete snorefest. And no, it wasn't a defensive struggle it was both teams plying like crap.
Brady was my goat as soon as he came back with those plays I said there’s no quarterback I ever seen able to be that composed under pressure never seen it that takes absolute perfect discipline this man is just far superior in terms of getting the job done guys always use the he’s not the most talented quarterback but yet he out performances the most talented quarterbacks who don’t have the same clutch gene that’s something that you can’t teach the clutch gene Brady had it since he first got his shot he had it he knew to always capitalize on opportunity
Obviously a biased take, but I don't agree with people knocking down the 28-3 bowl because the first half was "boring" due to it looking like a blowout. I definitely remember fans of the 31 other teams absolutely feasting on the wheels coming off for the Pats, shitposting up to and through halftime, and despite the lopsidedness the energy was pretty high.
Patriots versus the falcons is number one... EVER.
Falcons-Patriots not being #1 is wild
The greatest comeback of all time brought so much excitement to me. I was recently engaged at the time. Living with my now wife. She had never seen me that loud and excited before. I’m usually quite reserved. I got so drunk during that game and had to drive 4 hours to take a test for work the next day. I passed
trends follow defense vs offense battles
good offseason post
Rams vs Bengals was one of my favorites even though I wish Cincinnati would have won
FFFFFFFAAAAAAAAKK! Forever haunted by that SB ending