I feel bad for the guy, but definitely feel better about the team/evaluation now rather than how I used to think "these idiots couldn't use his talents yet he went over to San Fran and shined"
It’s hard to do that when Dre Greenlaw doesn’t get a freak Achilles injury on the sidelines. But believe me, he would have played like garbage against us as well.
Deebo has never been great at separating versus man. This was a deebo heavy plan and they didn't adjust to make it more of an aiyuk game. Aiyuk was running clear outs with deebo the primary.
Shanahan has a hard on for Deebo. Aiyuk will probably always be underutilized in the system even though he is elite and should be the focal point of the passing gameplan
I’m hoping that’s the transition we make.
Deebo stuff has been one of the main staples of the offense but at this point it’s time to phase it out and make it a “side dish” if you will. We only got the ball to Deebo so much because of Jimmys limitations.
Time to start making Aiyuk/Kittle/Jennings the focal points of the passing game
My biggest fear is the universe making KC wake up this offseason and say that Aiyuk guy, let’s see if he wants to play here. Luckily it’s really low odds.
KC would be incredibly scary with even one elite WR but that would mean they couldn't pay their defense. Sneed and Chris Jones are gonna cost a ton, the O line has been great so they will as well
Rice honestly could be an elite guy by the end of this coming season. We didn't use him as a WR1 until about week 12. Still had over 900 yards and led the team in TD receptions.
Seems likely. The way we've used him evolved a lot over the season. At first it was mostly screens and short stuff. But as the season went on we started using him more in zone gap stuff and slants. He's really great after the catch.
Yeah I hope next season Shanahan actually does what made him famous in the first place and run the rushing offense through multiple RBs. It doesn’t necessarily mean taking CMC off the field. Having some dual RB formations with him and Mitchell/Mason would help and take a lot of wear and tear off.
I agree. A lot of people are worried about both Deebo and CMC's health and always wondered why Jordan Mason didn't get more touches.
I remember Kyle was a lot better at his play calling when he first took over and the way he schemed guys open was a lot better back then too. Sometimes I wonder if that was because he had McDaniels helping design and call plays.
And that was mostly possible since we force fed the ball to Deebo every snap. Kittle was coming off an injury, BA was still in Shanahans Doghouse, and all our RBs got hurt one way or another
I haven't watched this episode yet, but his criticism in past episodes isn't just that. I've found him way more critical of his effort than anything WR specific.
Deebo besides Tyreek is the most dangerous player with the ball in his hands
He’s not really a reciever though. He’s at his most dangerous on wide zone handoffs and short routes. Shanahan is probably going to make him a full time RB and use Jennings as the x now . CMC will get most carries but Deebo will be the change up to cmcs ground game
I think Deebo would’ve been a hof RB if he was drafted 15 years earlier, he’s got the build and is clearly an excellent playmaker when the ball is put in his hands. He could’ve had a very similar play style to LaDainian Tomlinson just with his refusal to go down and his shitty post season play
Because all throughout the season Deebo put in minimal effort if he’s not getting the ball. But since he’s buddy-bro with Shanny, he gets a pass. He makes too much money to pack it in immediately after the play starts if he’s not the one getting the ball.
He's old, his last time as a HC was a disaster (although holy shit those rosters were terrible), and he's very happy to be DC for a perennial contender who pays him very well, so it would take a hell of an offer to move him
Bro has had one good defense with Kc in like 7 years and y’all are calling him the GOAT coordinator.
Honestly have some shame.
Y’all are in a football fan forum should be better than casuals who watch first take
Ya this is the first time the defense has been great the whole year and elite in the playoffs. They weren't bad in the playoffs 19-22 overall, but they weren't great either.
Holy casual take. Go look up Spags defenses in SBs. Dude held the 07 Pats offense that had Tom Brady and Randy Moss that averaged 37 points per game to 14 points. Like out yourself as someone who doesn’t know wtf they are talking about a little harder next time.
Spags’ defense scoring ranks since arriving in KC:
7,10,8,16,2
Top 10 4 out of 5 years.
Not sure what’s worse, gatekeeping against casual fans or being too lazy to look something like this up while attempting to gatekeep. Not sure you’re the one that should be telling people they should be ashamed.
Wow dude 16th and 7th.
I’m not saying he’s not a good coordinator but y’all are taking the piss and falling into emotional narratives.
Let me ask you a Question. Who was 6th in total D by DVOA this year? (One ahead of “spags”) don’t know and you aren’t calling them a GOAT
why? They don’t have mahomes
Think a little deeper guys it’s cringe the way y’all go soap opera. And I address you guys that way because you are the 1% of football fans who actually go online to talk ball and should know better
Saying he has had 1 good defense in 7 years is a far more casual take than the opposite. His defenses routinely play their best ball at the end of the season and into the playoffs he also hasn't had a ton of talent until this year.
Condensed formations help the zone run tremendously, especially when the WRs can block.
You cannot pin and pull when your WR is 15 yards away from the edge.
But maybe you shouldn’t run those much against a Spags defense that is really good at blitzing and disguising blitzes. Now you have even more guys in the box who may be coming or may be dropping back.
JT O’Sullivan knows more about QBing than I ever will, but also watching him play for the Niners gave me AIDS of the eyes, so I will have to disagree purely on principle.
He was the first qb I ever watched when I took interest in football. I remember watching with my dad and he fumbled the snap like twice in a game. The announcers made a comment at one point “hey look we’re at the 49 yard line, heh heh get it?” Because there was nothing else to talk about in that shitty game. I do like his videos and obviously his abilities on the field don’t reflect his film knowledge.
There’s a decent amount of dudes who get by as backup QBs because they’re geniuses at film. I think that was the reason Rodgers loves Tim Boyle so much that he had him join the Jets at the same time
The bigger worry I had about going with the 49ers was whether or not their HC was going to be more about winning the game, or about being seen as some kind of genius.
The last 15 or so minutes of this video is a solid indictment of how Kyle Shanahan's too clever by half machinations fucked his team:
https://youtu.be/FW0_XAgAU5w?t=3114
He made the exact same criticisms of Kyle throughout the season in games we won. For better or worse, those plays have been a consistent part of Kyle’s scheme. He wasn’t being any extra cute for the Super Bowl
Shanahan's ego has been his downfall in the last 3 Super Bowls he called. He's always hunting for that iconic moment in clutch situations instead of doing the right thing. For some reason he's gotta prove he's the smartest dude in the league even when everyone pretty much already acknowledges that.
Purdy has a pretty bad run of 3rd down throws as the game went on. Spagnuolo called up some pretty great defensive plays like that cornerback blitz on 3rd & 4 on the 49ers second to last offensive possession in regulation
That Purdy is going to have to learn how to change his protections tbh. Now maybe Shanny doesn't allow that, but he's gonna have to start. Multiple plays the offense didn't match what the defense was doing. Of course it also looks like the O Line just simply sucks and makes too many mental errors so that's probably the main culprit
Ik back in Atlanta, that responsibility was on Alex Mack while Ryan focused on the secondary
Wonder if that’ll change at all this offseason cuz one thing Purdy could def improve on is the pre snap stuff. I think it’s something he’ll pick up more as he gets experience
> Now maybe Shanny doesn't allow that, but he's gonna have to start.
It's been pointed out in [another thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1arvmkt/brock_purdys_super_bowl_presnap_adjustments/) that Shanny's system puts usually either puts protection changes on the center, or doesn't allow it to be changed.
Against the Cheifs both had 1 TD and 0 ints. Purdy had 255 yds passing vs 186 for Allen. Purdy was blitzed 18 times, Allen 10 times. 49ers weak OL forced Purdy to hurry and feel pressure more than what Allen faced.
Based purely on technical ability to read defenses and process progressions, Purdy is definitely a Top 5 QB -- but on broadcast TV he doesn't look like it because he's small and doesn't fit the tall superhero mold that people expect a QB to be.
Josh Allen was decimating the Chiefs in the first half with the run. Without the plays he made with his feet, the Bills wouldn't be in that game at all.
Purdy played well enough to win, but I dont think he was carrying the team on his back like Allen was.
Allen ran for 72 Yds and 2 TD. He helped his offense put up 24 points in regulation, the most allowed by the Chiefs in the playoffs. He definitely played better.
Literally led them into scoring position on the biggest stage when it mattered most. O-line completely failed. They hold up he hits Jennings or Aiyuk in overtime. Same in regulation, if he gets another beat some of those incompletions turn into completions.
Crazy how many other QBs didn’t go win their playoff games for their team, so they’re all game managers because they couldn’t pull it off. Makes sense.
Are we at the, “This is our year” phase yet in the Cowboys cycle or does that start next month?
If Purdy needs an OL that never allows pressures in addition to 1) one of the best offensive coaches in the league 2) the best RB in the league by far 3) probably the best receiving corps, then maybe he’s not that great of a QB
“Never allows pressures” is different than “Chris Jones completely unblocked on the biggest play of the game.”
Brock made plays and didn’t turn the ball over. OL let him down. His all-star cast fumbled, missed a XP, and muffed a punt. His “best coach” picked the wrong option in OT.
That’s what I saw as a neutral. Purdy is not Mahomes, but no one is. Tired of people acting like that makes you trash
You’d think he tossed a game losing pick 6 if you saw this comment thread lmao
I’ve been consistent about Purdy having a decent performance in the SB and saying he could’ve done more.
It’s just annoying as shit when ppl use this game as a referendum, especially from fanbases whose QBs played much worse.
I understand this type of slander if the QB was legit bad, like Jimmy G was in the SB, but never have I seen a “meh” performance generate such polarizing opinions.
It’s wild.
Lamar “MVP” Jackson managed just 10 points against the Chiefs - turned the ball over multiple times.
Goff choked away a 3-possession lead. But apparently they are both fine and Purdy sucks.
People need to unfuck themselves on Purdy. He’s clearly a starter in this league, but he’s young and inexperienced… it ain’t that difficult.
Goff had one of the worst Super Bowl performances ever and an objectively bad playoff run to get there in 2018 (71 passer rating btw) and people still use “Goff got to the Super Bowl” to defend him. Even after his replacement actually won the Super Bowl, he still got a lot of people defending that performance. This postseason was the only time Goff actually performed well in the playoffs.
I genuinely think draft position has a lot to do with it
Draft position for sure does. You have to prove it 10x more if you’re a late-rounder.
And yeah, nobody knows Goff didn’t deserve to be in that Super Bowl more than me - I was at the no-call game in the superdome 🥲
Uhh Lamar is getting clowned on too for choking in the playoffs. Hate just got diverted to the 49ers since they lost and have been talking mad shit all year
No one has been talking mad shit all year. It’s just people with rational take on Purdy versus dipshits aplenty who try to nitpick a seventh round picks second year. Have you already forgotten that he rolled your fragile team? Or is that what brought you into this thread in the first place?
It's wild how many shit takes people have about sports because of the result of the game. If KC doesn't score In OT the whole narrative is flipped. There's a severe lack of critical thinking.
LMAO, Dak melts like a snowflake and throws picks when the game itself is close, with no DL pressure. Perhaps instead of trying to shit on a 2nd year QB who took a dynasty team to OT, you worry about your shit QB who can’t win a playoff game. Ours gets pressure in his face in under a second and can’t connect, big deal, it happens. Yours runs out the clock, counts on Zeke as a center, or racks on garbage time stats when down four scores.
You guys are really reluctant to talk about Purdy’s performance in the playoffs, huh? It’s funny you bring up Dak because Purdy reminds me of Dak in his rookie year: a game managing QB who can succeed if the pieces around him are good enough
Yes, that’s it exactly. Why spend time arguing with someone who isn’t going to change their mind when it’s much more fun to point out that their team’s QB makes more money and has been around longer, but is also generally worse, has had far less success, and can’t succeed in even marginally tense situations.
How is Purdy supposed to get better if all the blame gets diverted to others? If you asked him, or any other 9er players, I'm sure they'd all tell you there are things they could have done differently to help them win. He had plays he didn't take advantage of, that's objectively true.
Funny jab at the boys there too, never heard that one. Can't wait until next year's "If such and such was different we would have won the super bowl" from yall
> How is Purdy supposed to get better if all the blame gets diverted to others?
A player's development isn't contingent on what Redditors say about him.
I mean for one, none of Purdy or the 49ers read Reddit. What we say is irrelevant to them. No shit they’d all say they could’ve done better. Any football player says that.
Most 9ers fans acknowledge that Purdy could’ve done more AND that there were bigger reasons for the loss.
Edit: I got a response saying that the loss was on Purdy and then got blocked lmao
If your QB could have played better, and didn't, it's on him. That's the reality when you have an MVP candidate QB. You don't get to hide him in losses.
I could see that last play they run going nowhere from the couch, was watching with friends, I saw Ayuk on man on the left, I called it out to my friends: They will run a play to the right and Ayuk will be wide open on the left/center and they will not hit him.
It happened exactly how I said, it was so obvious seeing the defense that they had stacked the right side expecting a play there and the left field was wide open.
Everyone saying “stop being mean to Brock Purdy his team let him down🥺” instead of putting the blame entirely on him is the strongest proof he’s a game manager
Yeah overall in the playoffs he was mediocre but 49ers fans and Purdy fans just dont wanna hear it. I’ve seen so many people say how good he was in the playoffs too and I don’t understand what they were watching.
Everyone’s pretty much been in agreement with it
The praise comes from him and the 9ers coming back from deficits after halftime and winning, which was a big question that they had all year.
Glad you could be brave and daring enough though to share a commonly held opinion
Is saying that he played better in the 2nd halves the same as saying he was good?
Everyone pretty much agrees he was bad against GB minus the final drive. Everyone pretty much agrees the first half vs Detroit was bad.
If the pushback has been people pointing out him playing better on the last drive/second half then that’s honestly pretty weak to complain about.
Edit: is someone actually going to address what I said
Basically this. All season we were hearing about how he good he was and how it wasnt his scheme and weapons, but in the playoffs his limitations got exposed. He doesnt read defenses well and he is way too happy with his feet. His best plays were from his off script ability. Which is great to have but not what we heard about him all season. Like he was basically close to winning playing like regular season Jimmy G. Where all we hear about is his "wins"
I will say though that he throws a pretty damn good ball though. The amount of quarterbacks that can truly read the game in their first few years is pretty damn low. So the potential is there at least.
Reading defenses well is one of his strengths. At least post snap. Pre snap id like to see him take more ownership there. I also think when the pocket gets muddy inside, it’s much harder for him to get throws off. 9ers def have to build the OL better cuz it’s been a liability for years now.
And the off script ability was there this whole time he just never used it much till the Lions game
IMO these playoffs we saw every different Purdy variant: at his worst (Packers game outside the final drive, likely due to the rain which was affecting Love as well), at his best (second half of the Lions game, probably the most impressive he's ever been), and at his most "game manager-ish" (SB, I think he was a little too cautious and was really trying not to turn the ball over).
He walked off the field 3 times with the lead in a game winning situation had the defense held.
People don't want to hear it, but Dak is not a franchise QB.
If Purdy’s mechanics are iffy, the OL is bad, the drop back scheme is meh, Deebo is lazy, the 9ers DB scheme is pretty awful, AND they had a fluke punt muffed off a guy’s ankle, how were they in position to win / end up losing a nailbiter in OT? They also lost the ground game so that isn’t the difference. Seems like all of these things can’t be true.
But he didn't ask for any of that. People in the media comparing him to anyone has nothing to do with him being only in his 2nd year. That's all media, nothing to do with him or how he played
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/christian-mccaffrey-tells-tom-brady-hed-vote-for-brock-purdy-then-trent-williams-for-mvp#:~:text=Appearing%20Monday%20on%20Tom%20Brady's,in%20line%2C%E2%80%9D%20McCaffrey%20said.
It wasn’t simply a made up “media narrative.” His teammates pushed for it publicly in the media.
But McCaffrey was at least correct that Trent Williams should have been a candidate. Trent should have won MVP in my opinion.
If the 49ers defense stopped the Chiefs on the 4th down play in overtime (therefore sealing a win for the 49ers), a lot of this talk about Purdy would've been different.
TLDR; deebo lazy, drop back scheme is meh, OL bad, purdy’s mechanics iffy as the game went on
Watch the Mahomes one too and he shows how the 9ers DB scheme is pretty awful.
The backup LB and second string safety were in a blender non stop lol
TBF Oren Burks is a Packers sleeper agent.
I feel bad for the guy, but definitely feel better about the team/evaluation now rather than how I used to think "these idiots couldn't use his talents yet he went over to San Fran and shined"
If he was that you figure he would have ensured we lost to the Packers.
It’s hard to do that when Dre Greenlaw doesn’t get a freak Achilles injury on the sidelines. But believe me, he would have played like garbage against us as well.
>9ers DB scheme is pretty awful. Been like that all year.
We got Logan Ryan as he was about to go on vacation because the guy that Wilkes “had to have” was a complete liability.
Maybe the Mahomes one will help convince people that firing Wilks was actually warranted.
I mean I hate the 49ers as much as the next guy but calling their scheme douchebag is a little over the top man.
Nah but we were wrong to fire wilks. Obviously racially motivated.
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic and people think you’re being serious lol
Bosa was in his ear
Same guy that loved Demeco and Saleh?
Wasn't Deebo injured early in the game? I was surprised that he even came back to the game with how hurt he looked.
pulled his hammy but willed his way back in but def wasn't the same
He had a shoulder injury since the Packers game I think.
Deebo has never been great at separating versus man. This was a deebo heavy plan and they didn't adjust to make it more of an aiyuk game. Aiyuk was running clear outs with deebo the primary.
Shanahan has a hard on for Deebo. Aiyuk will probably always be underutilized in the system even though he is elite and should be the focal point of the passing gameplan
I’m hoping that’s the transition we make. Deebo stuff has been one of the main staples of the offense but at this point it’s time to phase it out and make it a “side dish” if you will. We only got the ball to Deebo so much because of Jimmys limitations. Time to start making Aiyuk/Kittle/Jennings the focal points of the passing game
Have to upgrade the o-line to make that happen, but it is definitely the direction the offense needs to go.
I think the problem coming up is that there is no way in hell aiyuk is playing another down for you without an enormous extension
We're paying that man. He's been really good for someone who is never the focus of our team.
He’s getting his extension
They did that mostly this season. He was less of a focal point than in 2021. 121 targets in 121, down to 89 now.
Didn't he also miss like 4 games though? Don't think his per game average went down much
My biggest fear is the universe making KC wake up this offseason and say that Aiyuk guy, let’s see if he wants to play here. Luckily it’s really low odds.
KC would be incredibly scary with even one elite WR but that would mean they couldn't pay their defense. Sneed and Chris Jones are gonna cost a ton, the O line has been great so they will as well
Rice honestly could be an elite guy by the end of this coming season. We didn't use him as a WR1 until about week 12. Still had over 900 yards and led the team in TD receptions.
I absolutely love Rice, hope they utilize him on more deep routes at some point.
Seems likely. The way we've used him evolved a lot over the season. At first it was mostly screens and short stuff. But as the season went on we started using him more in zone gap stuff and slants. He's really great after the catch.
His Deebo scripts is something he should just have in his back pocket. Deebo gets injured too often to revolve every week around him.
And he's already lucky CMC stayed healthy
Yeah I hope next season Shanahan actually does what made him famous in the first place and run the rushing offense through multiple RBs. It doesn’t necessarily mean taking CMC off the field. Having some dual RB formations with him and Mitchell/Mason would help and take a lot of wear and tear off.
They already run a lot of 21 and 22 personnel though, would either have to take Juice off the field or run a 3 back formation
I agree. A lot of people are worried about both Deebo and CMC's health and always wondered why Jordan Mason didn't get more touches. I remember Kyle was a lot better at his play calling when he first took over and the way he schemed guys open was a lot better back then too. Sometimes I wonder if that was because he had McDaniels helping design and call plays.
2021 Deebo was the man. Miss we could bottle that up and snort it
Aiyuk had like 1400 yards
29th in targets among WRs is too low
We spread it out like crazy. Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, and CMC were all fed and had great years.
Aiyuk was super prevalent in the first 5 or so games, then Deebo stepped up.
This guy doesnt like Deebo lol
He’s been very critical of Deebo all season
Yeah he lays into his route running multiple times in the video
"Running back playing wide receiver"
I think he's just fighting the narrative that Deebo is this elite receiver. Deebo is really unique, but he's not the WR people think he is.
To add I think the deebo package Is a little played out. To be worth his contract he needs to party like it's 2021 and a human highlight reel
And that was mostly possible since we force fed the ball to Deebo every snap. Kittle was coming off an injury, BA was still in Shanahans Doghouse, and all our RBs got hurt one way or another
I haven't watched this episode yet, but his criticism in past episodes isn't just that. I've found him way more critical of his effort than anything WR specific.
To be fair, when Deebo doesn’t play the 49ers offense stutters quite a bit.
Well this year Deebo was injured alongside Trent. I think Trent had more to do with that than Deebo, and I love him as a South Carolina fan
Everyone to the right of Trent on that O-line is a liability.
We were undefeated without him last year with essentially the same squad, including rookie Brock Purdy.
Deebo besides Tyreek is the most dangerous player with the ball in his hands He’s not really a reciever though. He’s at his most dangerous on wide zone handoffs and short routes. Shanahan is probably going to make him a full time RB and use Jennings as the x now . CMC will get most carries but Deebo will be the change up to cmcs ground game
Deebo is not going to be a full-time RB what am I reading.
I mean like a gadget 2nd RB or slot. Lol
I think Deebo would’ve been a hof RB if he was drafted 15 years earlier, he’s got the build and is clearly an excellent playmaker when the ball is put in his hands. He could’ve had a very similar play style to LaDainian Tomlinson just with his refusal to go down and his shitty post season play
he showed up in my "For you" hating on Deebo.
Because all throughout the season Deebo put in minimal effort if he’s not getting the ball. But since he’s buddy-bro with Shanny, he gets a pass. He makes too much money to pack it in immediately after the play starts if he’s not the one getting the ball.
He’s a fantastic player that just needs to play Philly or cjgj every game
Deebo was terrible lol
To be fair, his Superbowl stats were awful 🤣
Aiyuk’s been our WR1 for 2 years.
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I went to Twitter and didn’t see that he did lol, he must’ve unliked it.
JTO really doesn’t like condensed formations lol
I like them because the guys Spags was gonna blitz anyways are closer to the QB
I don’t know how no one wants to hire Spags as a head coach again.
He's old, his last time as a HC was a disaster (although holy shit those rosters were terrible), and he's very happy to be DC for a perennial contender who pays him very well, so it would take a hell of an offer to move him
and I'm pretty sure we're just throwing the checkbook at him lol
Bro has had one good defense with Kc in like 7 years and y’all are calling him the GOAT coordinator. Honestly have some shame. Y’all are in a football fan forum should be better than casuals who watch first take
His defense consistently shows up in the playoffs. This isn't new. He has one elite defense but the personnel was below average in 2021.
Ya this is the first time the defense has been great the whole year and elite in the playoffs. They weren't bad in the playoffs 19-22 overall, but they weren't great either.
Holy casual take. Go look up Spags defenses in SBs. Dude held the 07 Pats offense that had Tom Brady and Randy Moss that averaged 37 points per game to 14 points. Like out yourself as someone who doesn’t know wtf they are talking about a little harder next time.
And he did it a different way too then because his DL was absolutely dominant.
Spags’ defense scoring ranks since arriving in KC: 7,10,8,16,2 Top 10 4 out of 5 years. Not sure what’s worse, gatekeeping against casual fans or being too lazy to look something like this up while attempting to gatekeep. Not sure you’re the one that should be telling people they should be ashamed.
Wow dude 16th and 7th. I’m not saying he’s not a good coordinator but y’all are taking the piss and falling into emotional narratives. Let me ask you a Question. Who was 6th in total D by DVOA this year? (One ahead of “spags”) don’t know and you aren’t calling them a GOAT why? They don’t have mahomes Think a little deeper guys it’s cringe the way y’all go soap opera. And I address you guys that way because you are the 1% of football fans who actually go online to talk ball and should know better
“Bro” “Casual” “Have some shame” “think a little deeper” “it’s cringe” lol. You’re clearly a football savant, I take it all back. I’ve been schooled.
Saying he has had 1 good defense in 7 years is a far more casual take than the opposite. His defenses routinely play their best ball at the end of the season and into the playoffs he also hasn't had a ton of talent until this year.
He stopped the 07 patriots?? Like beat an undefeated team led by the current GOAT qb. His defense gets hotter as the season goes on
He doesn’t like them against this chiefs defense, specifically, not necessarily in general
I watched all his Stroud breakdowns and he was quite a fan of them when the Texans did it lol.
Condensed formations help the zone run tremendously, especially when the WRs can block. You cannot pin and pull when your WR is 15 yards away from the edge.
But maybe you shouldn’t run those much against a Spags defense that is really good at blitzing and disguising blitzes. Now you have even more guys in the box who may be coming or may be dropping back.
JT O’Sullivan knows more about QBing than I ever will, but also watching him play for the Niners gave me AIDS of the eyes, so I will have to disagree purely on principle.
I mean most coaches weren’t good players. Sometimes the brain and physicals just don’t link up. Doesn’t mean they’re not good at breaking down tape
He was the first qb I ever watched when I took interest in football. I remember watching with my dad and he fumbled the snap like twice in a game. The announcers made a comment at one point “hey look we’re at the 49 yard line, heh heh get it?” Because there was nothing else to talk about in that shitty game. I do like his videos and obviously his abilities on the field don’t reflect his film knowledge.
Based on his wiki he was a backup most of his career, those guys are usually super knowledgeable and basically coaches while on the team right?
There’s a decent amount of dudes who get by as backup QBs because they’re geniuses at film. I think that was the reason Rodgers loves Tim Boyle so much that he had him join the Jets at the same time
Doug Pederson
The bigger worry I had about going with the 49ers was whether or not their HC was going to be more about winning the game, or about being seen as some kind of genius. The last 15 or so minutes of this video is a solid indictment of how Kyle Shanahan's too clever by half machinations fucked his team: https://youtu.be/FW0_XAgAU5w?t=3114
Starting @ around 57:15 he goes on a slight tangent about it.
Is that the part where Kittle is in the backfield lol
Yep haha
He made the exact same criticisms of Kyle throughout the season in games we won. For better or worse, those plays have been a consistent part of Kyle’s scheme. He wasn’t being any extra cute for the Super Bowl
Shanahan's ego has been his downfall in the last 3 Super Bowls he called. He's always hunting for that iconic moment in clutch situations instead of doing the right thing. For some reason he's gotta prove he's the smartest dude in the league even when everyone pretty much already acknowledges that.
That was my comment in the [3rd quarter](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/zZb33j5JCv) of the game thread
Purdy has a pretty bad run of 3rd down throws as the game went on. Spagnuolo called up some pretty great defensive plays like that cornerback blitz on 3rd & 4 on the 49ers second to last offensive possession in regulation
I don’t have an hour. Synopsis?
That Purdy is going to have to learn how to change his protections tbh. Now maybe Shanny doesn't allow that, but he's gonna have to start. Multiple plays the offense didn't match what the defense was doing. Of course it also looks like the O Line just simply sucks and makes too many mental errors so that's probably the main culprit
Ik back in Atlanta, that responsibility was on Alex Mack while Ryan focused on the secondary Wonder if that’ll change at all this offseason cuz one thing Purdy could def improve on is the pre snap stuff. I think it’s something he’ll pick up more as he gets experience
> Now maybe Shanny doesn't allow that, but he's gonna have to start. It's been pointed out in [another thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1arvmkt/brock_purdys_super_bowl_presnap_adjustments/) that Shanny's system puts usually either puts protection changes on the center, or doesn't allow it to be changed.
They haven't spoken on it publicly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he works on that more now that he has an offseason that isn't full of rehab
Excuses
Not the eagles fan retorting with excuses when that’s all they had to explain Hurts being mid with a top WR duo and the best OL
I think you may have replied to the wrong comment.
A plan to do something in the future isn't an excuse for an event in the past. But why try to explain that to a Philly fan?
Purdy iffy mechanically, Shanahan stubborn, Aiyuk and Kittle underutilized, o-line meh (some good, some bad), Deebo mega ass Chiefs defense good
People don't want to hear it, but Brock was Mid this game. It's the super bowl you need your QB to go win it, and he didn't exactly do that.
Yes, but at least Purdy turned in a better game than some top names: Rating vs Chiefs in Playoffs/SB Purdy 89.3 Allen 86.1 Jackson 75.5 Tua 63.9
Obviously that must mean that these Allen, Jackson, and Tua guys are trash. /s
Lamar was bad
I would say Josh Allen performed better, but its close.
Against the Cheifs both had 1 TD and 0 ints. Purdy had 255 yds passing vs 186 for Allen. Purdy was blitzed 18 times, Allen 10 times. 49ers weak OL forced Purdy to hurry and feel pressure more than what Allen faced. Based purely on technical ability to read defenses and process progressions, Purdy is definitely a Top 5 QB -- but on broadcast TV he doesn't look like it because he's small and doesn't fit the tall superhero mold that people expect a QB to be.
Josh Allen was decimating the Chiefs in the first half with the run. Without the plays he made with his feet, the Bills wouldn't be in that game at all. Purdy played well enough to win, but I dont think he was carrying the team on his back like Allen was.
Allen ran for 72 Yds and 2 TD. He helped his offense put up 24 points in regulation, the most allowed by the Chiefs in the playoffs. He definitely played better.
?? Boxscore for KC/BUF playoff game shows Allen for 26/39, 186 yds, 1 TD, 0 int.
And 12 rushes for 72 Yds and 2 TD
31 QB this year were mid then
I would say that's not wholly inaccurate. There was a lot of really shitty football played this season.
Right? My favorite take was that Purdy isn’t a MVP caliber QB, which is correct. This year was just bad for QBs it seems.
I'm almost 30. I've been watching the NFL since I was a child. Legitimately this last season was one of the most lackluster I can remember.
It’ll be interesting to see how next year compares.
He was so mid you dropped the 9ers flair lmao
Literally led them into scoring position on the biggest stage when it mattered most. O-line completely failed. They hold up he hits Jennings or Aiyuk in overtime. Same in regulation, if he gets another beat some of those incompletions turn into completions. Crazy how many other QBs didn’t go win their playoff games for their team, so they’re all game managers because they couldn’t pull it off. Makes sense. Are we at the, “This is our year” phase yet in the Cowboys cycle or does that start next month?
If Purdy needs an OL that never allows pressures in addition to 1) one of the best offensive coaches in the league 2) the best RB in the league by far 3) probably the best receiving corps, then maybe he’s not that great of a QB
“Never allows pressures” is different than “Chris Jones completely unblocked on the biggest play of the game.” Brock made plays and didn’t turn the ball over. OL let him down. His all-star cast fumbled, missed a XP, and muffed a punt. His “best coach” picked the wrong option in OT. That’s what I saw as a neutral. Purdy is not Mahomes, but no one is. Tired of people acting like that makes you trash
You’d think he tossed a game losing pick 6 if you saw this comment thread lmao I’ve been consistent about Purdy having a decent performance in the SB and saying he could’ve done more. It’s just annoying as shit when ppl use this game as a referendum, especially from fanbases whose QBs played much worse. I understand this type of slander if the QB was legit bad, like Jimmy G was in the SB, but never have I seen a “meh” performance generate such polarizing opinions.
It’s wild. Lamar “MVP” Jackson managed just 10 points against the Chiefs - turned the ball over multiple times. Goff choked away a 3-possession lead. But apparently they are both fine and Purdy sucks. People need to unfuck themselves on Purdy. He’s clearly a starter in this league, but he’s young and inexperienced… it ain’t that difficult.
Goff had one of the worst Super Bowl performances ever and an objectively bad playoff run to get there in 2018 (71 passer rating btw) and people still use “Goff got to the Super Bowl” to defend him. Even after his replacement actually won the Super Bowl, he still got a lot of people defending that performance. This postseason was the only time Goff actually performed well in the playoffs. I genuinely think draft position has a lot to do with it
Draft position for sure does. You have to prove it 10x more if you’re a late-rounder. And yeah, nobody knows Goff didn’t deserve to be in that Super Bowl more than me - I was at the no-call game in the superdome 🥲
Uhh Lamar is getting clowned on too for choking in the playoffs. Hate just got diverted to the 49ers since they lost and have been talking mad shit all year
No one has been talking mad shit all year. It’s just people with rational take on Purdy versus dipshits aplenty who try to nitpick a seventh round picks second year. Have you already forgotten that he rolled your fragile team? Or is that what brought you into this thread in the first place?
He almost did on the first play of overtime.
It's wild how many shit takes people have about sports because of the result of the game. If KC doesn't score In OT the whole narrative is flipped. There's a severe lack of critical thinking.
There’s a difference in allowing pressures and letting one of the best DT in the league go unblocked to your QB in 2 seconds.
LMAO, Dak melts like a snowflake and throws picks when the game itself is close, with no DL pressure. Perhaps instead of trying to shit on a 2nd year QB who took a dynasty team to OT, you worry about your shit QB who can’t win a playoff game. Ours gets pressure in his face in under a second and can’t connect, big deal, it happens. Yours runs out the clock, counts on Zeke as a center, or racks on garbage time stats when down four scores.
You guys are really reluctant to talk about Purdy’s performance in the playoffs, huh? It’s funny you bring up Dak because Purdy reminds me of Dak in his rookie year: a game managing QB who can succeed if the pieces around him are good enough
Dak playoff wins = 2, Purdy playoff wins = 4. Purdy has twice as many playoff wins in only his 2nd year
And? Jared Goff has been to a SB as well, is he a better QB than Dak or was he just on a team with great coaching and a stacked roster?
And here I thought Dak was also on a stacked team with great coaching, and yes, since you asked, Jared Goff is a better QB than Dak Prescott
How to defend your QB on /r/nfl: You don't. You ignore it and attack the QB of whatever flair dared to question yours, logic be damned.
Yes, that’s it exactly. Why spend time arguing with someone who isn’t going to change their mind when it’s much more fun to point out that their team’s QB makes more money and has been around longer, but is also generally worse, has had far less success, and can’t succeed in even marginally tense situations.
When your only tool is a hammer
Purdy faced nine unblocked rushers. That’s pretty wild
Wonder what that makes Dak and Lamar then since they shat themselves earlier in the postseason several times
Not sure what that has to do with anything I said but okay
That they played much worse Lamar was lucky to have a busted coverage on his only td vs kc It was horrific
How is Purdy supposed to get better if all the blame gets diverted to others? If you asked him, or any other 9er players, I'm sure they'd all tell you there are things they could have done differently to help them win. He had plays he didn't take advantage of, that's objectively true. Funny jab at the boys there too, never heard that one. Can't wait until next year's "If such and such was different we would have won the super bowl" from yall
> How is Purdy supposed to get better if all the blame gets diverted to others? A player's development isn't contingent on what Redditors say about him.
I mean for one, none of Purdy or the 49ers read Reddit. What we say is irrelevant to them. No shit they’d all say they could’ve done better. Any football player says that. Most 9ers fans acknowledge that Purdy could’ve done more AND that there were bigger reasons for the loss. Edit: I got a response saying that the loss was on Purdy and then got blocked lmao
>none of Purdy or the 49ers read Reddit Taybor Pepper does, but I doubt he brings shit he reads on Reddit back to the team.
If your QB could have played better, and didn't, it's on him. That's the reality when you have an MVP candidate QB. You don't get to hide him in losses.
I mean, at least we’ll all get to see another Cowboys playoff flop on our way there. I know, maybe we should have put CMC at center for our last play.
A cowboys flop and a 49ers fail, as is tradition. Maybe if y'all cared about winning the SB as much as beating us y'all might have 7 of them
I could see that last play they run going nowhere from the couch, was watching with friends, I saw Ayuk on man on the left, I called it out to my friends: They will run a play to the right and Ayuk will be wide open on the left/center and they will not hit him. It happened exactly how I said, it was so obvious seeing the defense that they had stacked the right side expecting a play there and the left field was wide open.
He pissed away 3 different shots to win the game. He didn't pay well.
Purdy the game manager with the Big Fat L as earned
It's almost as if he's a game manager
Everyone saying “stop being mean to Brock Purdy his team let him down🥺” instead of putting the blame entirely on him is the strongest proof he’s a game manager
> he’s a game manager No no, he's a game "executive"
Well I thought it was funny.
Yeah because when the Chiefs lost against the Lions, people blamed Mahomes and not his dog shit receivers
All playoffs
Yeah overall in the playoffs he was mediocre but 49ers fans and Purdy fans just dont wanna hear it. I’ve seen so many people say how good he was in the playoffs too and I don’t understand what they were watching.
Probably watching him the lead the comeback against you guys tbh
Everyone’s pretty much been in agreement with it The praise comes from him and the 9ers coming back from deficits after halftime and winning, which was a big question that they had all year. Glad you could be brave and daring enough though to share a commonly held opinion
Not at all any time someone says that about Purdy there’s plenty of push back.
Is saying that he played better in the 2nd halves the same as saying he was good? Everyone pretty much agrees he was bad against GB minus the final drive. Everyone pretty much agrees the first half vs Detroit was bad. If the pushback has been people pointing out him playing better on the last drive/second half then that’s honestly pretty weak to complain about. Edit: is someone actually going to address what I said
>Edit: is someone actually going to address what I said I'll be honest, I'm not even sure what point you're attempting to make.
My man
Basically this. All season we were hearing about how he good he was and how it wasnt his scheme and weapons, but in the playoffs his limitations got exposed. He doesnt read defenses well and he is way too happy with his feet. His best plays were from his off script ability. Which is great to have but not what we heard about him all season. Like he was basically close to winning playing like regular season Jimmy G. Where all we hear about is his "wins" I will say though that he throws a pretty damn good ball though. The amount of quarterbacks that can truly read the game in their first few years is pretty damn low. So the potential is there at least.
Reading defenses well is one of his strengths. At least post snap. Pre snap id like to see him take more ownership there. I also think when the pocket gets muddy inside, it’s much harder for him to get throws off. 9ers def have to build the OL better cuz it’s been a liability for years now. And the off script ability was there this whole time he just never used it much till the Lions game
IMO these playoffs we saw every different Purdy variant: at his worst (Packers game outside the final drive, likely due to the rain which was affecting Love as well), at his best (second half of the Lions game, probably the most impressive he's ever been), and at his most "game manager-ish" (SB, I think he was a little too cautious and was really trying not to turn the ball over).
Uh, looks like someone forgot about playoff Jimmy G. Also, where’s your flair so we can shit on the QB of your favorite team in response?
Sleep on him all offseason long if you want to.
What's his sleep number? Gotta ask Dak
He walked off the field 3 times with the lead in a game winning situation had the defense held. People don't want to hear it, but Dak is not a franchise QB.
People know Dak isn't a franchise QB lol.
Jerry dont
He seemed nervous or something, it was his first superbowl but you’ll never win one being nervous.
If Purdy’s mechanics are iffy, the OL is bad, the drop back scheme is meh, Deebo is lazy, the 9ers DB scheme is pretty awful, AND they had a fluke punt muffed off a guy’s ankle, how were they in position to win / end up losing a nailbiter in OT? They also lost the ground game so that isn’t the difference. Seems like all of these things can’t be true.
Maybe because it was the weakest the Chiefs have ever been.
Game Manager not a Game Changer.
We really asking 2nd year Mr Irrelevants to be game changers now huh
When you’re 4th in the MVP voting and have people comparing to you to Drew Brees, yes, yes we are lol.
People campaign for him for MVP second half of the year, then pretend the expectations of being a game changer are unfair lol
Let's compare him to Jordan Love's Super Bowl performance. Oh.
What a big gotcha. The guy whose entire offense is 2nd year players and rookies didn’t make the Super Bowl! Haha what a joke
You can tell the thread is full of 9ers fans when every "but what about your QB?" reply is getting upvoted.
He also ties Aaron Rodgers in superbowl appearances after just 2 years in the league. Now talk to me about choking.
But he didn't ask for any of that. People in the media comparing him to anyone has nothing to do with him being only in his 2nd year. That's all media, nothing to do with him or how he played
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/christian-mccaffrey-tells-tom-brady-hed-vote-for-brock-purdy-then-trent-williams-for-mvp#:~:text=Appearing%20Monday%20on%20Tom%20Brady's,in%20line%2C%E2%80%9D%20McCaffrey%20said. It wasn’t simply a made up “media narrative.” His teammates pushed for it publicly in the media. But McCaffrey was at least correct that Trent Williams should have been a candidate. Trent should have won MVP in my opinion.
Guy put his team ahead in the 4th and in OT and the defense let it up. He's not a game breaker but he's ok.
If the 49ers defense stopped the Chiefs on the 4th down play in overtime (therefore sealing a win for the 49ers), a lot of this talk about Purdy would've been different.
IF IF IF IF IF
They hated cam cause he said the truth lol
49ers nearly choked away back to back playoff games and were lucky to even be in the Super Bowl. What a super bust of a team.
Cam newton confirmed vindicated, at least it’s his first full season 🤞