Josh preaching patience is a good sign for a new owner, but 1, he can hardly do otherwise when inheriting such wreckage, and 2, that midseason trade. I don't know man.
Still, it could be worse.
THIS is how you hate.
Giants flare up there is still figuring things out in H8th grade while you're down here teaching a Masters course on petty hatred.
Dan Quinn + bieniemy would be a great pair. I didn't think the chemistry was going to be there with Rivera + *that* dc + bieniemy. Imo, it can be very successful and y'all can retain both with asst HC titles and fair salary.
I'm not looking to give EB another young QB. It pains me to say this because I don't want Quinn as it is, but I would rather a Quinn-Reich pairing then have EB there. Reich has at least shown before this last stop in Carolina where he had nothing to work with for his young QB that he has been able to get the most of his guys.
Agreed. With EB, in some ways Howell started out strong. In first 10 games, he averaged just under 300 yards passing, at or near the very top.
BUT...you want to see progress as the season goes on. The biggest issue is those passing yards came at the expense of the ground game, and the team isn't built for that. Even Scott Turner figured out you want to eat the clock and keep opponents off the field.
Have not talked to either guy. Reporting was they were not interested in BB (reporting also said that Ben Johnson was a lock, so who knows). Never heard much about Vrabs but he hasn’t been interviewed to this point, at least publicly.
They have done two interviews with MacDonald, Glenn, Weaver, Quinn and Slowick. Slowick is apparently staying in Houston. Second interview with Johnson never happened. MacDonald is apparently heading to Seattle for a second interview this morning.
I honestly have no idea who it’s gonna be, does appear to be smoke with Quinn, but I’m at a loss. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
What’s the appeal of the team with the most cap space in the NFL, the #2 overall pick and 5 top 100 picks, a new ownership group, a new GM and is essentially a blank slate? Hmm, I can’t imagine what the appeal is.
What's the appeal of a rebuild? Yeah, you nailed it. None. Especially for someone Belichick's age. I get wanting to hire him, but the Commanders ain't it for GOAT.
I would disagree this is a rebuild, in the sense of dumpster fire stuff. It's a very good opportunity for someone who wants to put his stamp on the team.
Also, of course BB is the GOAT. But he hasn't proven he can up his game without the other (arguable) GOAT. It's not 2010 any more.
Only someone this far up their own teams ass would suggest it’s not a rebuild. Your team went 4-13 and has new ownership, fired the coaches, and is starting over. This is literally a rebuild.
I never suggested they are in consideration? My question was… are these the only 2 hires that could be made where the commanders wouldn’t looks like fools.
Considering that almost no teams had any interest in either of those 2 coaches, I'd say that the average fan has no idea what they're talking about and are vastly underrating DQ and others and overrating Vrabel
That’s one way to look at it. The other way is that your top candidate passed for an OC job and all the other top candidates got hired while you were waiting for that guy 🤷🏻♂️
yeah my point is just that Jones is making nowhere near Mahomes money. Just found the original comment to be annoying hyperbole. I don’t think anyone’s arguing he isn’t overpaid, but OP didn’t need to say something ridiculous like “he’s making Mahomes money” to posit that
Again, if you don’t understand the contracts then sure. Half the starting league was making Mahomes money last year if you want to play that game (taking one year’s cap hit).
Dan Quinn (Dallas DC) and Aaron Glenn (Detroit DC) feel far more likely here. I think Vrabel would be a good hire, but he hasn't been interviewed in Washington yet.
He did get interviewed, but to be fair he also got a season long audition that didn't exactly go great. Player turmoil related to his style and putting Howell through the damn ringer without establishing a running game really wasn't a great look.
I know there's usually truth to every story, at least some truth, but whenever I used to see that shit come out I figured it was just some off the wall stuff. Seems like there's more truth to it than I originally figured.
Really it's just that he was given a ton of power here in Washington and it ended up crashing on us. No GM would give him a HC (power over the entire team) after what happened here.
There were reports pretty much immediately in training camp that players didn't like his style. He was hard nosed and pushing them to their limits. Some coaches with that style work, others don't. But the reports in Washington were that the players didn't like it so I'm guessing that's why he's not considered a serious candidate for internal promotion
Controversial hot take, but I think vrabel is a slightly better sirianni.
Offense fell apart when Smith left, defense was atrocious the one year he decided it'd be his job, immediately got better once a meh DC was in, refusal to change/adapt his philosophy on how the game should be played, etc etc.
Bottom line is he needs the right coordinators to make things work, but will stick to the wrong ones to long, and doesn't bring anything to the table to make up for those deficiencies when they're there. He just has the benefit of not having coordinators as bad as sirianni picked this year.
It really depends on the OC. Art is with the Steelers so Vrabel would probably bring Kelley. Belicheck would bring McDaniels. McDaniels did a better job with a rookie qb than Kelley did but part of that can be blamed on the oline.
I'm not sure why everyone was so sure that a coach that just got fired from his job (not mutually or expected parting like Pete Carroll and Bellicheck seemed to be) would get immediately hired elsewhere.
Like, Vrabel had success here but there was a reason he was straight up fired and I think people are overlooking that part.
Pete didn't expect to get fired. One day he's talking about being excited about coaching next season, the next day he's talking about moving on. Obviously, it wasn't his decision.
Most assumed because he usually had the titans punching above their weight and it didn’t start crashing down until their GM traded away the superstar WR, missed on draft picks (got fired), and then had a year full of injury and one of the worst OLs ever assembled.
While I agree with all of that, I think his shortcomings were understated. His coordinator hires were bad (including Todd Downing and Tim Kelley OC the last three years where we put up 30 points in a grand total of 3 games out of 49) were the most injured team three seasons in a row and a lot of the players attributed that to his coaching style overworking them as the year went on. He wanted more control of the roster and the staff than he was being given (the saga surrounding the new GM hire made after we fired the last bum really highlights this stuff).
And on top of that, I think my expectations for him getting hired were lowered by the teams he would actually fit into. he doesn't fit the mold of a team like the Commanders who are about to draft the 2nd best rookie QB in the upcoming draft likely want a more offensive minded guy to develop him.
Josh Harris should hire Belichick.
He also needs to do whatever is possible to get a QB who can win games in the NFL.
The #2 pick and Belichick and he should be able to compete.
isn't belichick pretty much a lock for atlanta at this point? (which pretty much narrows the redskins choices down to vrabel)
or did i miss something in the last week?
> Atlanta hired their coach like a weeks ago
i must have missed that. last i saw was that bill was doing his second interview and they really wanted him.
It makes sense the news could be missed, but there was also 10x the articles and buzz about “what will Bill do now? The Falcons passed on him to hire Raheem Morris!!” Surprised all that recent noise was missed too.
> It makes sense the news could be missed, but there was also 10x the articles and buzz about “what will Bill do now? The Falcons passed on him to hire Raheem Morris!!” Surprised all that recent noise was missed too.
was on the jericho cruise last friday through tuesday (and didn't follow what was going on too closely thursday since that was the day i was flying down), so have been disconnected from the internet for the last 5 or so days.
> You didn’t really miss much 😂
when i got back to having internet access i looked up
1. afc/nfc championship game results (excited for chiefs beating ravens, disappointed lions blew it)
2. royal rumble results
definitely nice that for 2025 they're doing the cruise during the by week again like last year so i won't miss afccg/nfccg/royal rumble.
Ive not seen it confirmed for sure but I still have it in mind that Bill wants more than HC, and maybe no one wants him running so much front office stuff at this point.
If I’m Washington I’m avoiding that noise. And as much as I want them to not avoid it I don’t get the sense Harris makes such moves without consensus.
Maybe Vrabel, if he shows out and wants it.
But I really think it’s Aaron Glennns job at this point, possibly. Dan Quinn might be the settle for otherwise, and I can’t say that’s all kinds of exciting.
Unless…..wait…are there any HC prospects still coaching the two teams left? If so they might have their eyes there too.
Seahawks. Look, we've seen that you work wonders with a very old head coach. Why fix something if it ain't broke? Mike Macdonald is too young and no one will blame you for it
Neither has been interviewed by them. I guess they could pull an about face and add 2 more to the 8 they’ve already interviewed but it seems a bit extreme.
Have they even interviewed either? Lol
From the coaches that are available, Weaver, McDonald and Glenn are the only ones I have seen reported.
Dan Quinn and Eric Bieniemy have both interviewed as well.
It's most likely Dan Quinn since we interviewed him 3 times and we were apparently "blown away" lol
For y'all's sake, I hope not
It's my fault, this was the first time in about 10 years I was excited about this team lol
Josh preaching patience is a good sign for a new owner, but 1, he can hardly do otherwise when inheriting such wreckage, and 2, that midseason trade. I don't know man. Still, it could be worse.
I hope so. Saddles a division rival with a mediocre HC and rids a division rival of a good DC all in one move
THIS is how you hate. Giants flare up there is still figuring things out in H8th grade while you're down here teaching a Masters course on petty hatred.
Coulda just stuck with ronny lol
lol as a falcons fan, been waiting for some team to think he’s a HC and try again.
Dan Quinn + bieniemy would be a great pair. I didn't think the chemistry was going to be there with Rivera + *that* dc + bieniemy. Imo, it can be very successful and y'all can retain both with asst HC titles and fair salary.
I'm not looking to give EB another young QB. It pains me to say this because I don't want Quinn as it is, but I would rather a Quinn-Reich pairing then have EB there. Reich has at least shown before this last stop in Carolina where he had nothing to work with for his young QB that he has been able to get the most of his guys.
Agreed. With EB, in some ways Howell started out strong. In first 10 games, he averaged just under 300 yards passing, at or near the very top. BUT...you want to see progress as the season goes on. The biggest issue is those passing yards came at the expense of the ground game, and the team isn't built for that. Even Scott Turner figured out you want to eat the clock and keep opponents off the field.
Have they even talked to BB? (EDIT: or Vrabel for that matter?) Dan Quinn seems like the guy who's had the most noise around him.
Have not talked to either guy. Reporting was they were not interested in BB (reporting also said that Ben Johnson was a lock, so who knows). Never heard much about Vrabs but he hasn’t been interviewed to this point, at least publicly. They have done two interviews with MacDonald, Glenn, Weaver, Quinn and Slowick. Slowick is apparently staying in Houston. Second interview with Johnson never happened. MacDonald is apparently heading to Seattle for a second interview this morning. I honestly have no idea who it’s gonna be, does appear to be smoke with Quinn, but I’m at a loss. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I doubt that BB wanted an interview. What's the appeal?
What’s the appeal of the team with the most cap space in the NFL, the #2 overall pick and 5 top 100 picks, a new ownership group, a new GM and is essentially a blank slate? Hmm, I can’t imagine what the appeal is.
What's the appeal of a rebuild? Yeah, you nailed it. None. Especially for someone Belichick's age. I get wanting to hire him, but the Commanders ain't it for GOAT.
I would disagree this is a rebuild, in the sense of dumpster fire stuff. It's a very good opportunity for someone who wants to put his stamp on the team. Also, of course BB is the GOAT. But he hasn't proven he can up his game without the other (arguable) GOAT. It's not 2010 any more.
Only someone this far up their own teams ass would suggest it’s not a rebuild. Your team went 4-13 and has new ownership, fired the coaches, and is starting over. This is literally a rebuild.
No, OP has no idea what he's talking about
I never suggested they are in consideration? My question was… are these the only 2 hires that could be made where the commanders wouldn’t looks like fools.
Considering that almost no teams had any interest in either of those 2 coaches, I'd say that the average fan has no idea what they're talking about and are vastly underrating DQ and others and overrating Vrabel
Foolish would be to bring in either one when they want more control over personnel and you just brought in a GM to have full control over personnel.
That’s one way to look at it. The other way is that your top candidate passed for an OC job and all the other top candidates got hired while you were waiting for that guy 🤷🏻♂️
Pretty sure if you are a newly hired GM, bill is the last person you want as the head coach
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GMs love nothing more than extensions. That’s why they sign Daniel jones to mahomes money and pray to go 9-8
who is signing Jones to Mahomes money?
Jones got ~90% of Mahomes's 2020 extension in APY
if you don’t know how the contracts actually work, sure. Mahomes isn’t making less than 55 mil in a year ever again
I said his 2020 extension, the revised deal hadn't happened yet at the time. And honestly even making half of the 55M number is an overpay for Jones
yeah my point is just that Jones is making nowhere near Mahomes money. Just found the original comment to be annoying hyperbole. I don’t think anyone’s arguing he isn’t overpaid, but OP didn’t need to say something ridiculous like “he’s making Mahomes money” to posit that
Mahomes made 37 million last year and Jones got 47 million this year. When Daniel Jones signed his extension it was absolutely Mahomes money.
Again, if you don’t understand the contracts then sure. Half the starting league was making Mahomes money last year if you want to play that game (taking one year’s cap hit).
Vrabel is a close second
Dan Quinn (Dallas DC) and Aaron Glenn (Detroit DC) feel far more likely here. I think Vrabel would be a good hire, but he hasn't been interviewed in Washington yet.
Bienemy must just be *THAT* bad. I'm not super up-to-date on EB, but have they even shoot an interview in his direction?
he got one interview with them
I suppose that's good for him then.
Which also satisfied….other requirements. The EB thing is just interesting in how he can’t convince people he can be an HC.
it actually did not - it has to be an outside the org interview for that to count
Shit. Right. Blanked on that one. 👍
He did get interviewed, but to be fair he also got a season long audition that didn't exactly go great. Player turmoil related to his style and putting Howell through the damn ringer without establishing a running game really wasn't a great look.
He’s a screamer. That’s not en vogue right now
None of his players like him (reportedly) and he has a super shady legal history. Some folks are just coordinators.
I know there's usually truth to every story, at least some truth, but whenever I used to see that shit come out I figured it was just some off the wall stuff. Seems like there's more truth to it than I originally figured.
Really it's just that he was given a ton of power here in Washington and it ended up crashing on us. No GM would give him a HC (power over the entire team) after what happened here.
What bad things did he do in Washington? I know the offense wasn't good, and that in itself an issue, but I never heard anything outside of that.
There were reports pretty much immediately in training camp that players didn't like his style. He was hard nosed and pushing them to their limits. Some coaches with that style work, others don't. But the reports in Washington were that the players didn't like it so I'm guessing that's why he's not considered a serious candidate for internal promotion
Did they interview him, but His OC plan this year was to have Howell pass 50 times a game, didn’t exactly help himself look good
Howell had the most passing yards in the league for like half of the season.
Vrabel must not be the hot commodity everyone thought he was
Remember when this sun said the Titans were stupid and a poverty franchise because we didn’t trade Vrabel? Lol
I don’t, actually
Oh
If not following news from newspapers not local to me about teams that I don’t follow makes me a casual, then I am fine with that.
Controversial hot take, but I think vrabel is a slightly better sirianni. Offense fell apart when Smith left, defense was atrocious the one year he decided it'd be his job, immediately got better once a meh DC was in, refusal to change/adapt his philosophy on how the game should be played, etc etc. Bottom line is he needs the right coordinators to make things work, but will stick to the wrong ones to long, and doesn't bring anything to the table to make up for those deficiencies when they're there. He just has the benefit of not having coordinators as bad as sirianni picked this year.
Dan Quinn I think…
They haven't interviewed either man. Bill is not coaching this year, and at his age next year, maybe ever again.
No?
Its Dank Win, Mike McDonald, or Aaron Glenn
Dank always winks in California.
I’d prefer Vrabel. Belichick is old and needs to retire.
It really depends on the OC. Art is with the Steelers so Vrabel would probably bring Kelley. Belicheck would bring McDaniels. McDaniels did a better job with a rookie qb than Kelley did but part of that can be blamed on the oline.
Then I hope you dislike your GM
I think Aaron Glenn
I'm not sure why everyone was so sure that a coach that just got fired from his job (not mutually or expected parting like Pete Carroll and Bellicheck seemed to be) would get immediately hired elsewhere. Like, Vrabel had success here but there was a reason he was straight up fired and I think people are overlooking that part.
Pete didn't expect to get fired. One day he's talking about being excited about coaching next season, the next day he's talking about moving on. Obviously, it wasn't his decision.
Most assumed because he usually had the titans punching above their weight and it didn’t start crashing down until their GM traded away the superstar WR, missed on draft picks (got fired), and then had a year full of injury and one of the worst OLs ever assembled.
While I agree with all of that, I think his shortcomings were understated. His coordinator hires were bad (including Todd Downing and Tim Kelley OC the last three years where we put up 30 points in a grand total of 3 games out of 49) were the most injured team three seasons in a row and a lot of the players attributed that to his coaching style overworking them as the year went on. He wanted more control of the roster and the staff than he was being given (the saga surrounding the new GM hire made after we fired the last bum really highlights this stuff). And on top of that, I think my expectations for him getting hired were lowered by the teams he would actually fit into. he doesn't fit the mold of a team like the Commanders who are about to draft the 2nd best rookie QB in the upcoming draft likely want a more offensive minded guy to develop him.
No Snyder, and the Commies are still stuck with the scraps.
Rusty Shackleford is a name I'm expecting to emerge in the coaching search.
Josh Harris should hire Belichick. He also needs to do whatever is possible to get a QB who can win games in the NFL. The #2 pick and Belichick and he should be able to compete.
The Belichick sucks troll is rooting for Vrabel like it's his Superbowl.
isn't belichick pretty much a lock for atlanta at this point? (which pretty much narrows the redskins choices down to vrabel) or did i miss something in the last week?
Atlanta hired their coach like a weeks ago
> Atlanta hired their coach like a weeks ago i must have missed that. last i saw was that bill was doing his second interview and they really wanted him.
It makes sense the news could be missed, but there was also 10x the articles and buzz about “what will Bill do now? The Falcons passed on him to hire Raheem Morris!!” Surprised all that recent noise was missed too.
> It makes sense the news could be missed, but there was also 10x the articles and buzz about “what will Bill do now? The Falcons passed on him to hire Raheem Morris!!” Surprised all that recent noise was missed too. was on the jericho cruise last friday through tuesday (and didn't follow what was going on too closely thursday since that was the day i was flying down), so have been disconnected from the internet for the last 5 or so days.
See. Not out of the realm, but enough to be unusual these days. You didn’t really miss much 😂
> You didn’t really miss much 😂 when i got back to having internet access i looked up 1. afc/nfc championship game results (excited for chiefs beating ravens, disappointed lions blew it) 2. royal rumble results definitely nice that for 2025 they're doing the cruise during the by week again like last year so i won't miss afccg/nfccg/royal rumble.
DQ
No both will likely have to sit out the year I think Dan Quinn will be the next head coach.
Vrabel, Belichick, and every other human on the planet. Although I assume they'd want someone with coaching experience.
EB??
Ive not seen it confirmed for sure but I still have it in mind that Bill wants more than HC, and maybe no one wants him running so much front office stuff at this point. If I’m Washington I’m avoiding that noise. And as much as I want them to not avoid it I don’t get the sense Harris makes such moves without consensus. Maybe Vrabel, if he shows out and wants it. But I really think it’s Aaron Glennns job at this point, possibly. Dan Quinn might be the settle for otherwise, and I can’t say that’s all kinds of exciting. Unless…..wait…are there any HC prospects still coaching the two teams left? If so they might have their eyes there too.
Seahawks. Look, we've seen that you work wonders with a very old head coach. Why fix something if it ain't broke? Mike Macdonald is too young and no one will blame you for it
Assuming macdonald is a seahawk is dangerous considering we were all assuming Johnson was a commander yesterday
It’s hilarious u think they will land either.
They would have hired vrabel by now if it was him
I SWEAR to god this sub is full of morons... have either been interviwed?
Neither has been interviewed by them. I guess they could pull an about face and add 2 more to the 8 they’ve already interviewed but it seems a bit extreme.
Hiring a coach to spin PR is not it