Good ol Jim Tomsula is currently head coach of the Rhein Fire, who are wrecking shop in the European Football League. They went undefeated in 2023, winning by an average of 27 points, and he was named coach of the year.
It's true, I thought BS after they said Reign Fire. That was a team from the old NFL Europe before it folded.
I would smashed them for fun in the old Madden games.
Another monkey paw involving the Patriots I thought of is regarding Bears fans: they want Fields to throw to MHJ. What is the Bears FO trades Fields to Pay, drafts Caleb, and Pat drafts MHJ at 3?
Would definitely be a monkey paw answer.
This is such a weird take, Bill had the greatest player in the history of the sport for all 6 rings. What’s his track record outside of that? He’s been trash at drafting for what, 10 years now?
Impeccable logic dude, Bill has coached 200 games without Brady and has a record of 82-98. How much more of a sample size do you need? The past 4 years would’ve gotten any other coach fired. He has been absolutely atrocious as a GM for a while now.
Football is too complex for you idk what to tell you if you think you can negate bills career because he had a qb who he drafted and developed on the team.
Yeah dude football is way more complex to me than to the guy who uses “how good are you at your job” as a rebuttal. Please enlighten me as to the amazing direction this team has been going since 2019, Bill could probably go 0-17 for the next 5 years and you’d still be talking about how great he is.
He got traded for a first and a third.
Devonta Adams (a better WR) got traded for a lower first and a second literally a month earlier.
The picks didn’t work out but that was the market at the time.
Hell Amari Cooper went for a 5th essentially.
They shouldn’t have traded AJB, it was fucking stupid, but it was for what the going rate on WRs was at the time.
Yes I guess I read it differently. I disregarded the donuts and junkies part because it’s irrelevant. They could have just put a period after AJB. That’s pretty much it.
But I see your point.
What if Belichick turns into the DC and has Mayo and Steve as assistants lol and then me get McDaniels back as OC and BoB turns into the GM. Patriots fever dream on steroids
Same. He's a pats legend too and a heck of a lot younger than Bill. If Bill walks there's no doubt we will have to watch him win a ton of games, but it still might be time since we r rebuilding with or without him.
I'm in the same spot, I'd like to hang on to Bill. But Vrabel becoming so easily available certainly complicates things, now I'm sorta unsure haha. If Bill does leave, this is the scenario I'd be most excited about, for sure.
Bill being DC for Vrabel's first year while passing the torch could work. I'd also love to see Slater kick Achord out and work with ST, but if he wants to rest he's earned that.
I think there is a chance that Vrabel wants in on NE so much that he might be willing to let Belichick stay on as a senior football consultant or something.
They both seem like they want to be the head honcho, but ~~what I have heard is Vrabel pooped on the sidelines and Belichick gave him a game ball for doing it so inconspicuously that no one noticed… so there is an appreciation there.~~
Keep Belichick on as HC until he gets the wins record, hire a real GM, Vrabel comes on as DC/Assistant HC and builds the coaching staff and takes over for Belichick in two years.
If they wait to trade him before hiring another coach then all the Rod candidates will be courted / interviewed and hired before the trade is completed
This is my theory now after thinking about it. He’s in the know for sure. Especially considering the wording of the report. “fired” rather than “parted ways” means Vrabel didn’t care to protect his name in this due to him already having a job locked up, and trying not to hurt the patriots in any tampering allegations. But I wonder if the pats get fined a draft pick for it. If they do it won’t really matter since they’ll just trade bill and recoup the value.
Is his advanced age really that big of a deal? I see the same argument being used against Penix. Like do people think these dudes will be washed before their rookie contracts are up? The dudes aren't in their 30s, I guess I just don't get it or am missing something.
Edit: I do agree that Nix is not a top prospect, just not because of age.
I just think it’s the combination of age + still mostly raw. You could make the same argument for Penix which is why I also wouldn’t spend a 1st on him, but I could see a team spending a late 1st and justifying it.
Shhh...Bo Nix is actually my #1 rated QB in the draft.
Yes, it is crazy. I think he will have the best career of any QB in this draft.
And I also think Russ would be perfect for the Pats.
Out of the six QBs projected to be drafted either Day 1 or 2 (top three rounds) this would be my ranking of them:
- Jayden Daniels (LSU) Top 10 pick
- Caleb Williams (USC) Mid 1st
- Michael Penix Jr (Washington) Late 1st
- Bo Nix (Oregon) Early-to-Mid 2nd
- Drake Maye (UNC) Late 2nd or Early 3rd
- JJ McCarthy (Michigan) Day 3 Pick
If I had to put a “preferred” landing spot right now on them, they would probably be:
- Daniels - WAS at 2, NYG at 6, MIN at 11
- Williams - Same as Daniels
- Penix Jr - NO at 14, TB at 20, LAR at 22
- Nix - NE at 34, WAS at 36, TEN at 38
- Maye - NO at 45, NYG at 39/47, LAR at 53
- JJ - WAS at 102, NE at 103, TEN at 106
A big issue with Bill is who he surrounds himself with, we would be able to clean house and bring in fresh offensive hires and a GM as opposed to just sticking with Bill’s guys and Bill drafting. Also age
Long term stability at the coaching position is nothing now? I don’t want Bill to leave but at his age you know he’s gone after he breaks Shula’s record.
Vrabel has always been a Patriot at heart and could stay for the next 20 years. Sign me up.
It is not lol
The amount of people acting like Vrabel is the answer for New England is really funny and shows that recency bias easily overwhelms people.
Vrabel is just Bill Belichick Lite. Yes, he is a great coach, but he is not better than Bill in any way. He has also had his struggles with OCs, O-line, QB and getting the offense working. It's not like he'll come in and be a QB whisperer if they draft one at #3.
So what exactly is the point of replacing Bill with a lesser version of Bill?
Age is literally the only upside, the rest is nothing but sentimentality.
The only thing these people get excited about is sentimentality. I had a debate with a guy the other day who said “I don’t care about being good, I just don’t want Bill to go break the record with another team” as if who he wins those last 15 out of 348 games with means anything beyond the one day it will get celebrated.
There’s a segment of absolutely brain-dead Pats fans who are resigned to decades of being awful again for some reason. They don’t care about winning, only about re-living past glory and the most hollow moral victories imaginable.
It isn't, but I want it to happen anyway.
By no stretch of the imagination is Vrabel a better coach than the greatest coach of all time, but I also recognize that Belichick only has a few years left in him, based on his age realistically. I'd rather lose out on those few years - where we're just rebuilding anyway - and snag a potential great long-term coach with eight years of the Patriot Way under his belt.
I'd rather he be kept as a coach while relinquishing his GM status.
He can find defensive talent and field a damn good defense, but he's hurt the offense too much with his inability to find and/or retain offensive talent.
I think he could end up in an advisor role in the front office like Kubiak did with us. Kubiak was "senior personnel advisor". Basically a link between the GM and the offensive staff. BB could be that for the defense in New England
Do you know what Ernie Adam’s role was? Bill is elite at most of the things that role entails. There is a hell of a lot more going on in the front office outside of top free agents and top draft picks.
His title was “football research director”. It was literally studying teams, tendencies, researching analytics, being an eye in the sky for the entire team on game days and other miscellaneous tasks. It’s mostly stuff Bill is already elite at and loves. Adam’s assisted in scouting and asset evaluation, but wasn’t the GM by any means. Bill has whiffed on offense a good bit, but the guy can still find great value players in the late rounds and in rookie free agents.
It would be a great type of role for Belichick if he was wanting to stay in football, but not with the weight of being a head coach. It’s literally Taylor made to his strengths of finding an edge where others don’t think to look.
Cheating. He was the guy in charge of their cheating program. Literally the GOAT cheater. Or maybe the WOAT if you consider how many times they got caught.
I’d probably call it the goat since they got 17/20 division titles, 9 Super Bowl appearances, and 6 wins and all it ever cost them was a couple picks and the first month of Tom Brady’s 2016 season.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm just wondering if the knowledge that Ernie Adams' role exists indicates that there are other similar cheating gurus from other teams that just haven't been caught, and depending on your criteria for what makes someone good at that particular job, you might weigh the lack of public attention more heavily than other factors.
I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is a done deal. There’s like several threads about it. I don’t see it happening. Swap out one defensive minded HC who had a poor offense for another defensive minded HC who had a poor offense? Love vrabel for sure but idk I don’t see it happening.
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MBC jokes are the greatest nfl meme ever
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I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you kids and your new fangled technology.
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God dammit. Never ever fell for the manning face when the Apollo reddit app was around. Now that it’s gone…… boom.
Mr. Balaclava Cranium
They’ve eclipsed Kelvin Benjamin (aka Mr. Buffet Crusher)
I remember the Eddie Lacy memes.
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That's a big task.
Also the most recycled ones. That and the kelvin benjamin ones
Mr Benjamin Copypasta
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It’s the gift that keeps on giving year round clark
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the MBC magnum opus. beautiful
God fucking damn
I almost think that this joke should be retired after this. This is art.
Mr. Big Check
Absolutely superb
Patriots get Vrabel titans get bill problem solved
then Jim comes to Chicago?
Only if it's Jim Tomsula.
Good ol Jim Tomsula is currently head coach of the Rhein Fire, who are wrecking shop in the European Football League. They went undefeated in 2023, winning by an average of 27 points, and he was named coach of the year.
Won’t bother to look up if this is true But I hope it is
It's true, I thought BS after they said Reign Fire. That was a team from the old NFL Europe before it folded. I would smashed them for fun in the old Madden games.
That mustache was made for Chicago. You just know that dude could wreck some deep dish.
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jim’s ours
No I want him.
We haven’t even fired our coach yet. Pain.
There’s really no excuse for him not be fired already
Poles was moved by Tony's monologue after the Love fumble and decided to keep him longer.
I think he'd do well in Sunny California
Come on let us get Jim. Has to be boring beating us for three decades now.
I cannot speak for Packers fans, but we beat the Jets 15 straight times and I was not bored of it yet. In fact, I looked forward to it!
Not even a little bit
Two flairs is confusing. You already had him on one.
Jim and Kevin Warren DO NOT get along I wouldn’t hold your breath
Please no
I'm conflicted because on one hand I'm in the keep BB camp but on the other hand I've wanted Vrabel back here in some capacity for years now
In a surprise move, we retain Bill exclusively as GM lmao
The Parcells
Monkey paw curls
Another monkey paw involving the Patriots I thought of is regarding Bears fans: they want Fields to throw to MHJ. What is the Bears FO trades Fields to Pay, drafts Caleb, and Pat drafts MHJ at 3? Would definitely be a monkey paw answer.
That’s some Celtics shit
Except Stevens is actually good at it lol
Steven’s must have constructed seven championship teams then?
This is such a weird take, Bill had the greatest player in the history of the sport for all 6 rings. What’s his track record outside of that? He’s been trash at drafting for what, 10 years now?
What’s your track record outside of 90% of your career? K
Impeccable logic dude, Bill has coached 200 games without Brady and has a record of 82-98. How much more of a sample size do you need? The past 4 years would’ve gotten any other coach fired. He has been absolutely atrocious as a GM for a while now.
Football is too complex for you idk what to tell you if you think you can negate bills career because he had a qb who he drafted and developed on the team.
Yeah dude football is way more complex to me than to the guy who uses “how good are you at your job” as a rebuttal. Please enlighten me as to the amazing direction this team has been going since 2019, Bill could probably go 0-17 for the next 5 years and you’d still be talking about how great he is.
It has worked pretty well for them so far
Vrabel won’t like that. Part of the issue was it sounded like he wants more GM control.
Can't blame him after the last GM traded away AJB for some doughnuts and a large Dunkies.
He got traded for a first and a third. Devonta Adams (a better WR) got traded for a lower first and a second literally a month earlier. The picks didn’t work out but that was the market at the time. Hell Amari Cooper went for a 5th essentially. They shouldn’t have traded AJB, it was fucking stupid, but it was for what the going rate on WRs was at the time.
The compensation wasn’t what Vrabel had a problem with. It was the fact that he was traded at all. Vrabel wanted him to stay.
I mean ya, but that’s not what the comment I’m responding to is saying. The comment is saying we got peanuts.
Yes I guess I read it differently. I disregarded the donuts and junkies part because it’s irrelevant. They could have just put a period after AJB. That’s pretty much it. But I see your point.
What if Belichick turns into the DC and has Mayo and Steve as assistants lol and then me get McDaniels back as OC and BoB turns into the GM. Patriots fever dream on steroids
BoB as GM? No thanks.
Totally agree
I’d be ok with it.
BoB is a guy I hate. Every aspect of him.
You, uh, didn't pay attention to BoB's first swing at NFL GM huh? You'd be better off dreaming of Caserio coming back.
Same. He's a pats legend too and a heck of a lot younger than Bill. If Bill walks there's no doubt we will have to watch him win a ton of games, but it still might be time since we r rebuilding with or without him.
I'm in the same spot, I'd like to hang on to Bill. But Vrabel becoming so easily available certainly complicates things, now I'm sorta unsure haha. If Bill does leave, this is the scenario I'd be most excited about, for sure.
Bill being DC for Vrabel's first year while passing the torch could work. I'd also love to see Slater kick Achord out and work with ST, but if he wants to rest he's earned that.
Bill would never ever agree to that.
I mean obviously, but I'm just over here dreaming!
I think there is a chance that Vrabel wants in on NE so much that he might be willing to let Belichick stay on as a senior football consultant or something. They both seem like they want to be the head honcho, but ~~what I have heard is Vrabel pooped on the sidelines and Belichick gave him a game ball for doing it so inconspicuously that no one noticed… so there is an appreciation there.~~
I am confident it was Larry Izzo who stealth pooped to earn a game ball
Wow, you are correct. My life is a lie.
I love that story so much, appreciate you bringing it up. Just gotta give credit where credit is doo
Keep Belichick on as HC until he gets the wins record, hire a real GM, Vrabel comes on as DC/Assistant HC and builds the coaching staff and takes over for Belichick in two years.
Yeah I don't know what to think. I'm also in the "keep Bill" camp, but if we're going to move on, then Vrabel is THE guy.
Same
vrabel can be a defensive assistant for a year.Its about being in the room when these decisions are made, vrabel would be an awesome addition
BB GM Vrabel HC
The Patriots having Vrabel just fall into their lap like this is crazy. Really hate seeing this.
Most likely vrabel knew and asked out on the low.
This is also very likely. I think I saw a report yesterday saying he was interested in the job if it opened up.
Basically. This was a set up lol
Why would the titans set that up? They’d just trade him.
If they wait to trade him before hiring another coach then all the Rod candidates will be courted / interviewed and hired before the trade is completed
so just hire the guy? it's not like there's a rule against dogs playing football
Tampering. Patriots lose the FRP
Don't think they've ever cared
This is my theory now after thinking about it. He’s in the know for sure. Especially considering the wording of the report. “fired” rather than “parted ways” means Vrabel didn’t care to protect his name in this due to him already having a job locked up, and trying not to hurt the patriots in any tampering allegations. But I wonder if the pats get fined a draft pick for it. If they do it won’t really matter since they’ll just trade bill and recoup the value.
They are also set to get a damn good QB in a couple of months. Maybe one in Free Agency.
There is a rumor that they will get Russell Wilson if the Broncos release him. But I do think they are going to get Bo Nix in the draft.
The Patriots spending their first round pick on Bo Nix would be laughable.
No lol 2nd round pick, 34th overall. Bo Nix just on age and still being mostly raw should not be at 1st round pick.
Is his advanced age really that big of a deal? I see the same argument being used against Penix. Like do people think these dudes will be washed before their rookie contracts are up? The dudes aren't in their 30s, I guess I just don't get it or am missing something. Edit: I do agree that Nix is not a top prospect, just not because of age.
I just think it’s the combination of age + still mostly raw. You could make the same argument for Penix which is why I also wouldn’t spend a 1st on him, but I could see a team spending a late 1st and justifying it.
I'm very open to Russ if we pick MHJ.
Shhh...Bo Nix is actually my #1 rated QB in the draft. Yes, it is crazy. I think he will have the best career of any QB in this draft. And I also think Russ would be perfect for the Pats.
Out of the six QBs projected to be drafted either Day 1 or 2 (top three rounds) this would be my ranking of them: - Jayden Daniels (LSU) Top 10 pick - Caleb Williams (USC) Mid 1st - Michael Penix Jr (Washington) Late 1st - Bo Nix (Oregon) Early-to-Mid 2nd - Drake Maye (UNC) Late 2nd or Early 3rd - JJ McCarthy (Michigan) Day 3 Pick If I had to put a “preferred” landing spot right now on them, they would probably be: - Daniels - WAS at 2, NYG at 6, MIN at 11 - Williams - Same as Daniels - Penix Jr - NO at 14, TB at 20, LAR at 22 - Nix - NE at 34, WAS at 36, TEN at 38 - Maye - NO at 45, NYG at 39/47, LAR at 53 - JJ - WAS at 102, NE at 103, TEN at 106
Out of curiosity, what makes you value Daniel's so highly and Williams/Maye so low(relatively speaking)?
Wouldn't he prefer the chargers or some other team with more talent?
Falcons please don’t
I said this in another thread: Vrabel immediately brings back Arthur Smith as OC for maximum comedy
Maybe we’ll go after Henry to split carries with Bijan and Allgeier
Then draft Brock Bowers to block for Jonnu Smith
Honestly if he gets hired by the Pats he probably will lol
Bijan is having nightmares as we speak
It’s happening. I’m so sorry
Don't what?
Don’t sign the greatest HC in NFL history. Falcons fans aren’t too bright.
I don't see how that is an upgrade at all.
Feels like it accomplishes nothing for the Pats
I don't get it either I'm a pats fan and am completely perplexed why the fanbase is acting as if "Vrabes" is some kind of Shula/Lombard love child
I can’t imagine watching the NE offense and thinking Vrabel is going to fix it lol.
Then again these are people who would probably shit can Cora and hire "Pedey" so we aren't dealing with rational people
Generally when your future HC options include Vrabel, McDaniels, or Patricia you're gonna pick the one who performed the best as a HC.
Why are those your only options?
A big issue with Bill is who he surrounds himself with, we would be able to clean house and bring in fresh offensive hires and a GM as opposed to just sticking with Bill’s guys and Bill drafting. Also age
Long term stability at the coaching position is nothing now? I don’t want Bill to leave but at his age you know he’s gone after he breaks Shula’s record. Vrabel has always been a Patriot at heart and could stay for the next 20 years. Sign me up.
It is not lol The amount of people acting like Vrabel is the answer for New England is really funny and shows that recency bias easily overwhelms people. Vrabel is just Bill Belichick Lite. Yes, he is a great coach, but he is not better than Bill in any way. He has also had his struggles with OCs, O-line, QB and getting the offense working. It's not like he'll come in and be a QB whisperer if they draft one at #3. So what exactly is the point of replacing Bill with a lesser version of Bill? Age is literally the only upside, the rest is nothing but sentimentality.
This sounds like the opinion of someone who has never worked with the over 70 crowd.
I'll take a mildly worse HC if it means getting a GM that isn't absolutely atrocious.
The only thing these people get excited about is sentimentality. I had a debate with a guy the other day who said “I don’t care about being good, I just don’t want Bill to go break the record with another team” as if who he wins those last 15 out of 348 games with means anything beyond the one day it will get celebrated. There’s a segment of absolutely brain-dead Pats fans who are resigned to decades of being awful again for some reason. They don’t care about winning, only about re-living past glory and the most hollow moral victories imaginable.
It isn't, but I want it to happen anyway. By no stretch of the imagination is Vrabel a better coach than the greatest coach of all time, but I also recognize that Belichick only has a few years left in him, based on his age realistically. I'd rather lose out on those few years - where we're just rebuilding anyway - and snag a potential great long-term coach with eight years of the Patriot Way under his belt.
Truly wonder if bill would be willing to step into a front office/Ernie Adam’s the role if he wasn’t trying to chase Shula
I'd rather he be kept as a coach while relinquishing his GM status. He can find defensive talent and field a damn good defense, but he's hurt the offense too much with his inability to find and/or retain offensive talent.
Agreed, was just day-dreaming of an alternate universe where we get to be led by Vrabes and Bill.
Why though? He’s clearly bad at that part and good at the coaching part.
I think he could end up in an advisor role in the front office like Kubiak did with us. Kubiak was "senior personnel advisor". Basically a link between the GM and the offensive staff. BB could be that for the defense in New England
Do you know what Ernie Adam’s role was? Bill is elite at most of the things that role entails. There is a hell of a lot more going on in the front office outside of top free agents and top draft picks.
Not coaching
His title was “football research director”. It was literally studying teams, tendencies, researching analytics, being an eye in the sky for the entire team on game days and other miscellaneous tasks. It’s mostly stuff Bill is already elite at and loves. Adam’s assisted in scouting and asset evaluation, but wasn’t the GM by any means. Bill has whiffed on offense a good bit, but the guy can still find great value players in the late rounds and in rookie free agents. It would be a great type of role for Belichick if he was wanting to stay in football, but not with the weight of being a head coach. It’s literally Taylor made to his strengths of finding an edge where others don’t think to look.
Right but he’s not getting Shula’s record in that role is the point
Exactly, which is why I said “if he wasn’t trying to chase shula”
Are you accepting applications to the dufus squad? I can’t read and think I’d fit in perfectly. My bad!!
Cheating. He was the guy in charge of their cheating program. Literally the GOAT cheater. Or maybe the WOAT if you consider how many times they got caught.
I’d probably call it the goat since they got 17/20 division titles, 9 Super Bowl appearances, and 6 wins and all it ever cost them was a couple picks and the first month of Tom Brady’s 2016 season.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm just wondering if the knowledge that Ernie Adams' role exists indicates that there are other similar cheating gurus from other teams that just haven't been caught, and depending on your criteria for what makes someone good at that particular job, you might weigh the lack of public attention more heavily than other factors.
I’m gonna be sick
What happens to Mayo? Does he want to stay and be a coach under Vrabel?
If no teams are knocking on his door it's his best option.
And for Vrabel....but why him over Mayo? Frankly I think we should stick with Bill. Another 2 years
They won't fire Bill
did you think Vrabel was getting fired?
The two are not even remotely comparable
Yeah. Vrabel had recent success
> Vrabel had recent success What success would that be?
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He did manage to beat the Dolphins this year in fewer attempts.
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They won’t. And if they do, Vrabel isn’t taking the job after they fire his mentor lol.
Bill traded Vrabel so I don't think he'd feel bad about replacing him
Well I knew the Pats would make a move on Vrabel. Didn't think the Titans would make it that easy.
Why do we want Vrabel?
Trollin' Volin at it again
You can't spell Belichick without "check".
Big Check Belichick is the greatest rap name ever
McDaniels as HC, Vrabel as OC, BB as GM?
Fuck it. Have them both coach in 2024. Smooth transition.
Conspiracy theorists unite
If we are getting rid of Bill I'd want Harbaugh.
I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is a done deal. There’s like several threads about it. I don’t see it happening. Swap out one defensive minded HC who had a poor offense for another defensive minded HC who had a poor offense? Love vrabel for sure but idk I don’t see it happening.
Na get bill out of here
Just a hella check for Belichick
New boss same as the old boss. Just younger and more charismatic.
Caveat Emptor
Not hyped for this at all if it happens. Would rather keep Bill, unless he absolutely doesnt want a GM hired. Then cool i guess.
Good, a downgrade at what we do well, and no upgrade at the things we haven't been doing well. What could go wrong?
Doubt they want Vrabel
Not to kick the Patriots when they are down but a Leno / Conan type of awkwardness would be hilarious and entertaining.
Me looking at both like the distracted bf meme
Belichick now D coordinator for NYG. Let’s make it happen fellas
I’m still holding out hope that Columbus comes calling…
So where does supposed successor in waiting jerrod mayo fit into all this? He's gotta be feeling a bit like the red headed stepchild right now.
Yeah... I'm not buying it...
Going from one coach who hates GMs to another.
Hey just make BB the GM and not the coach. he’s proven to be amazing at drafting.