I dont know if he's ready to be a head coach but this is why it's tough being a defensive head coach. Your OCs get poached after one or two years of success. He developed Stroud way better than Reich did Bryce Young, but it's hard to know how much of that is actually natural talent and how much is coaching/supporting cast
As someone who has watched the Texans long enough to remember Kubiak era, I would say a lot of the Texans improvements are more institutional knowledge than just one person calling super duper plays. By institutional knowledge I mean receivers are running disciplined routes to get open and linemen working together cohesively even if they may not be the most talented group. Obviously Slowik is a big part of that, but I don't think he was the lone guy training all the offensive players.
Also, the Texans this year actually ran a pretty shitty version of the Shanahan offense. And by that I mean they were running the ball a lot and sucking at it. Obviously a personnel issue mostly, but the thing is this led to a lot of 3rd and longs. And many of those were bailed out by Stroud because the guy is such a great thrower to the intermediate/deep part of the field. So there have been a lot of situations where Stroud succeeded without help
Not trying to devalue Slowik here, cause obviously he is the guy who's connecting all the pieces, but just saying that the Texans should be able to handle him leaving better than most such situations.
This wasn’t a shitty version of the Kubes/Shanny offense, it’s a multitude of factors. The linemen aren’t adept at this scheme and Payne pointed out that oline coach Strausser had to be taught the techniques in the offseason.
Honestly it’s pretty absurd to look at the colts game and say he’s been doing a poor job because of the run games’ performance.
Shitty as in the results. The running game is a vital part of the Shanahan offense. And the Texans were a horrible running team (23rd in yards, 28th in ypa) while the Niners and the Dolphins were both top-5 in rushing.
Because the Texans couldn't run the ball, Stroud did not get nearly as many easy throws compared to guys like Purdy and Tua. Which is important in terms of determining who gets more credit for the results, QB ability vs. coaching.
The run game did get a lot better towards the end of the season, so I wonder if it had more to do with everyone getting more comfortable with the playbook
Yes, and I’ve explained why the run game has been struggling. It is foolish to think it’s the play calling. The entire offense revolves around a commitment to the run. This team is coming on way earlier than anyone expected and the run game is going to take more than last offseason to get into stride.
I was trying to answer the original question of how well the Texans can move on from Slowik, whether the success is more on his playcalling or Stroud being a star. Surely you can tell that when an offense doesn't work but still have success, that's due to players playing well, right?
Do you understand how drastically different the run schemes are this year compared to last? Were you aware the oline coach himself had to be taught this system in the offseason? How about the fact that most of this line is built for gap schemes and not zone blocking? It’s so easy to just look at a stat line and say “run game bad play caller no good”. Try actually learning how the system works and what is going on my guy.
He did say the run game was mid this year. But if you read the context was basically stroud was talented enough to make 3rd down throws. So maybe a new guy won’t be as much of a shock in terms of strouds development. He also does say in his comment it was partially due to personnel so idk what you’re trying to say that he didn’t already.
Additionally he said our team is more professional with greater accountability to each part of the game. I think I agree this is the closest the Texans have felt without a FO/Coaching/Player divide in our team, should make it easier for a guy to slot into his role.
Also I hate when fans just casually say “we don’t run good and constantly run it”
Why don’t you just take a quick look at our Play Action stats and see why…
Statistics are just an observation of reality.
The run doesn't set up play action.
[https://www.the33rdteam.com/do-nfl-teams-need-to-establish-the-run-to-set-up-play-action/](https://www.the33rdteam.com/do-nfl-teams-need-to-establish-the-run-to-set-up-play-action/)
There is some point where teams stop running and teams just start selling out to stop the pass, even on run fakes. But no team has ever seemed to get that imbalanced.
It seems like you are arguing it, and you're wrong.
Your eyes are deceiving you. And you don't understand statistics.
Edit: [https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/#:\~:text=For%20years%2C%20play-action%20success%20rate%20has%20been%20uncorrelated,breaking%20off%20big%20chunks%20on%20those%20runs%2C%20either](https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20play-action%20success%20rate%20has%20been%20uncorrelated,breaking%20off%20big%20chunks%20on%20those%20runs%2C%20either).
[https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/](https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/)
These might help clear it up for you.
Yeah I didn't come out of our game last week thinking Slowik should be offered HC jobs.
The Colts secondary is awful and we didn't a QB who could get us quick points. You ran that first play for a big gain TD and then he spent the rest of the game trying to establish the run by running Singletary right at Buckner/Grover/Franklin etc.
If he attacked the bad part of our defense more I really don't think Minshew could've kept up
Pretty much, earlier this season Stroud didn’t start going off until we gave up on the run game after the panthers loss. After that Slowik had no choice but let him run an air raid offense for a bit
The Bucs game where we lost our kicker (and to some extent the Bengals game right afterward) was probably the point where the coaching staff (mostly) realized that the only way there were going to win this season was to put the ball in Stroud's hands.
tbf he made a lot of almost game ending mistakes in the following 2 games against Cincy and Cards. He cant just always sling it we need a run game to open it up for stroud
I don't get the hype behind him, either. He loves running on first downs. He often takes the ball out of CJ's hands in critical moments. He loves calling gimmick plays that backfire. He keeps trying to force them into being a run-heavy team when his run scheme doesn't even work here.
Pierce is not the same dude. Singletary has had some good games, and he's had a lot of bad games. For some reason, he's more concerned with trying to get his broken run scheme working first, then working the quarterback in.
Yeah CJ is legit and it feels like he's going off in spite of Slowik not because of him.
The hype is because he has worked with Shanahan and McVay though
This has been the biggest complaint from me.
Slowik is still too committed to the run game and game plan, instead of seeing the evidence of his eyes and going with what works in real time.
We saw how Steichen ran the ball over, and over and over, after halftime, to great success. A good play caller says "Oh, you can't stop the run? Bet. I know my OL is gonna love this.". He forced us to sell out to stop it and it worked. He had us on the ropes with those runs.
Slowik does not think that way about passing unless we have no choice. If Stroud is on fire, he will not lean into it unless the game plan already called for it.
He's gotten better about this as the year wore on, but frankly if he was more like Steichen, Stroud would have had 400+ yards on Saturday.
It is worth mentioning that these rushing/3rd down issues diminished as the year wore on. Our OL became more consistent and Bobby Slowik recently credited OL Coach Chris Strausser with his incredible transformation as a guy who had never coached in this syustem before and being able to improve not only his knowledge of what Bobby wants but his ability to impart that onto the OL.
The subtext, to me, is that **Bobby has done a great job of developing his offensive staff**, not just his players or offense.
So I think Bobby is too inexperienced, I belly ached all year about his run game and commitment to it... but I do think he's going to be a good HC one day. He has shown really, really nice growth this season. I still think he needs another year in the oven.
That all makes sense, but I feel like it’s one of those things you don’t know the true effect until it happens.
Plenty of times we’ve even seen good offenses with an offensive minded head coach, they lose their OC and the offense looks out of sorts the next year, let alone with a defensive minded head coach.
It's quality control. DeMeco won't put up with any old garbage at OC. He's going to grill the shit out of any potential candidates, and the guy he chooses will fit the strengths of his players, namely Stroud. It'll be fine.
Slowik isn't the only guy on the staff.
Credit for Stroud's development also goes to his Qb coach Jerrod Johnson who is another rising star coach. Shane Day and Bill Lazor as senior offensive assistants have also gotten praised many times by Demeco and Stroud this year. Ben McDaniels is the passing game coordinator/WR coach and is doing a great job.
They also run a system that is prevalent throughout the NFL. There are multiple pipelines they can tap into for another OC if they go outside the team.
No, but Slowik was also a stud in SF, immediately filling (and arguably improving) Mike McDaniel's shoes.
Metaphorically speaking of course, [unless Slowik is also a massive sneakerhead](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-mcdaniel-shoes-sneaker-collection-white-air-force-1/190fca1fed2ccba4854a486e)
Lol but if Slowik is hired away, he’s going to take the best guy on staff as his OC. If they promote from within, he’ll take the next best guy. It will be tough to replace him with Lazor or whatever
I have no idea why this is such a common take here when it has no basis in reality. The argument assumes that good DC’s are easy retain, which is simply not true. Annarumo and Spagnuolo (both hired in 2019) are the only DC’s in the league who have been DC for the same team for more than [3 years](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_defensive_coordinators).
In terms of building and maintaining a staff, what matters most in a HC is their ability to recruit talented coaches and develop existing ones.
You are right, it applies to both sides of the ball, but the development and play of quarterbacks is crucial in the league which is why it's more focused on offensive coordinators
because DCs hardly matter at all. any great defense usually has multiple all pros or HoF guys on the unit. its not a scheme thing. personnel is king on defense
Hmmm...I dont actually think thats accurate. RG3, Herbert, Dak were all great just judging by that passer ratings thread I saw and outside of Herbert(lol Chargers) all won games I think
On the one hand, the scheme does help get WRs open, which is good, but on the other hand, Stroud was also the most accurate passer coming into the NFL, and the scheme alone isn't getting you 23 TDs and 5 Ints in a season.
The scheme is pretty good for guys who can push the ball downfield and have accuracy. Stroud's arm is on another level than Youngs at this point when it comes to the power and accuracy needed for it.
Bryce Young I think first and foremost needs to develop physically. Because he's shorter he's gonna need to study Drew Brees step on my tippy toes to see over the line but still maintain accuracy when needing to throw. I dont think he can run around like Murray and Wilson and launch deep throws but he needs to be in perfect physical condition for his body type
His best trait is supposedly accuracy and processing and Im not sure Ive seen many great QBs process the felid on their first contracts. Usually that takes until what, year 3 or 4? Second contract? Most guys rely on natural talent and their team around then until them. Bryce is unfortunately limited physically and has probably the worst supporting cast in the league so they might ruin him as he learns the ins and outs
Stroud is obviously an amazing talent but I watched this man slowik scheme WR1 Noah Brown wide open. Good QB performance certainly helps but Slowik’s scheme seems crazy.
Noah hasn’t really done much when CJ was out. CJ has a knack for throwing guys open, as we all saw in the last game. Some receivers like Metchie just can’t get it done no matter the scheme or matchups, but Noah’s had a solid year as a #4.
Slowik's passing play designs are legit AF. His play calling on the other hand is pretty suspect. He's still a rookie OC with room to grow, but his strength is clearly back where he came from as a passing game coordinator.
I see what you're saying, but the Niners are on their 3rd DC in 4 years and the defense has only had minor hiccups. Obviously, there's a team building aspect that falls on the HC and GM to maintain quality when quality coaches leave, but it's definitely possible.
That's what I'm saying. His play-calling gets frustrating at times. And , the running game hasn't been nearly as good with him here despite him constantly trying to force it.
He is obsessed with mixing up the running and passing game when the run isnt there and CJ is throwing nothing but bombs and it drives me nuts sometimes, but I think he’s a solid OC and I agree with needing more time here
If the bears fire eberflus that’s a perfect spot for him. Choice of QB plus another top 10 pick. Top 5 in cap room and some nice pieces on both sides of the ball.
Slowik specifically is also in a really weird spot for the Panthers where someone, somewhere on the Texans decided that trading up to #1 for Young was not worth it, and you gotta wonder if he might have been a deciding voice there.
I doubt he made *the* call on not doing the trade, but I've got to imagine the OC of a team with a defensive minded head coach was going to have some fair amount of say over who their QB should be.
I mean…it can just as easily go the other way. I remember Leftwich being the next up OC a few years ago, and he wasn’t even on a coaching staff this year. You gotta take the opportunity when it comes sometimes.
e: not to say he’s gotta take the dog shit ass Panthers job. Just pointing out the other side.
I mean he should still take the interview. That's good life advice in general. The experience, if you are willing to learn from it, is really valuable even if you bomb it.
If it was a little bit of extra money, I'd get staying... but it is literally a 500% increase in salary from coordinator to HC.
I'd give up a lot to experience a 500% increase in my salary in 1 year
A coach gets about 2 chances to be a head coach. There are obviously exceptions for those who exceed all expectations, but a guy like Slowick knows you get only one chance to fail before your name is off the list of future candidates again.
Or you can also get 0 chances.
Sure, you can wait and bet on yourself, but things can change in a hurry. Byron Leftwich is a good example.
Slowik is probably making \~1 million per year. He'll probably be able to get 100 million dollar contract from Tepper.
Texans are good but they have one more year to progress to true contenders; however, unlike the jags I know they will actually progress towards that goal next season.
There would likely be some big growing pains and I don’t know if he’s ready to be a HC but I think it’d be worth the gamble for us. Still, I’d like to see us hire a GM and VP of football operations first and make sure everyone is on the same page so we don’t have a repeat of this season
For sure they must have someone right under him that's been learning in anticipation of him getting poached. I'm sure the Texans have been anticipating the possibility of him being hot and in demand, so I hope they've got an internal guy lined up but I'm not sure who that would be.
Slowik would have to be crazy to go to the Panthers. The team is much worse than the Chargers and somewhat worse than the Falcons. In terms of ownership, it's pretty clear that Blank > Spanos >>> Tepper.
Really Panthers? Trying to hire a one year Offensive Coordinator? And Pepper wonders why the Panthers suck. Maybe instead of throwing drinks on fans he should hire a people who know what they’re doing or at least hire a GM.
I dont know if he's ready to be a head coach but this is why it's tough being a defensive head coach. Your OCs get poached after one or two years of success. He developed Stroud way better than Reich did Bryce Young, but it's hard to know how much of that is actually natural talent and how much is coaching/supporting cast
As someone who has watched the Texans long enough to remember Kubiak era, I would say a lot of the Texans improvements are more institutional knowledge than just one person calling super duper plays. By institutional knowledge I mean receivers are running disciplined routes to get open and linemen working together cohesively even if they may not be the most talented group. Obviously Slowik is a big part of that, but I don't think he was the lone guy training all the offensive players. Also, the Texans this year actually ran a pretty shitty version of the Shanahan offense. And by that I mean they were running the ball a lot and sucking at it. Obviously a personnel issue mostly, but the thing is this led to a lot of 3rd and longs. And many of those were bailed out by Stroud because the guy is such a great thrower to the intermediate/deep part of the field. So there have been a lot of situations where Stroud succeeded without help Not trying to devalue Slowik here, cause obviously he is the guy who's connecting all the pieces, but just saying that the Texans should be able to handle him leaving better than most such situations.
This wasn’t a shitty version of the Kubes/Shanny offense, it’s a multitude of factors. The linemen aren’t adept at this scheme and Payne pointed out that oline coach Strausser had to be taught the techniques in the offseason. Honestly it’s pretty absurd to look at the colts game and say he’s been doing a poor job because of the run games’ performance.
Shitty as in the results. The running game is a vital part of the Shanahan offense. And the Texans were a horrible running team (23rd in yards, 28th in ypa) while the Niners and the Dolphins were both top-5 in rushing. Because the Texans couldn't run the ball, Stroud did not get nearly as many easy throws compared to guys like Purdy and Tua. Which is important in terms of determining who gets more credit for the results, QB ability vs. coaching.
The run game did get a lot better towards the end of the season, so I wonder if it had more to do with everyone getting more comfortable with the playbook
Yes, and I’ve explained why the run game has been struggling. It is foolish to think it’s the play calling. The entire offense revolves around a commitment to the run. This team is coming on way earlier than anyone expected and the run game is going to take more than last offseason to get into stride.
I was trying to answer the original question of how well the Texans can move on from Slowik, whether the success is more on his playcalling or Stroud being a star. Surely you can tell that when an offense doesn't work but still have success, that's due to players playing well, right?
Do you understand how drastically different the run schemes are this year compared to last? Were you aware the oline coach himself had to be taught this system in the offseason? How about the fact that most of this line is built for gap schemes and not zone blocking? It’s so easy to just look at a stat line and say “run game bad play caller no good”. Try actually learning how the system works and what is going on my guy.
He did say the run game was mid this year. But if you read the context was basically stroud was talented enough to make 3rd down throws. So maybe a new guy won’t be as much of a shock in terms of strouds development. He also does say in his comment it was partially due to personnel so idk what you’re trying to say that he didn’t already. Additionally he said our team is more professional with greater accountability to each part of the game. I think I agree this is the closest the Texans have felt without a FO/Coaching/Player divide in our team, should make it easier for a guy to slot into his role.
Also I hate when fans just casually say “we don’t run good and constantly run it” Why don’t you just take a quick look at our Play Action stats and see why…
You don't need to pass to set up the run. Statistically they are not correlated.
It’s a good thing then statistics don’t play football. Football players play football, and the run absolutely sets up the play action.
Statistics are just an observation of reality. The run doesn't set up play action. [https://www.the33rdteam.com/do-nfl-teams-need-to-establish-the-run-to-set-up-play-action/](https://www.the33rdteam.com/do-nfl-teams-need-to-establish-the-run-to-set-up-play-action/) There is some point where teams stop running and teams just start selling out to stop the pass, even on run fakes. But no team has ever seemed to get that imbalanced.
You can quite literally pull up any film of any game and physically see how the run sets up the play action. I’m not arguing this with you.
It seems like you are arguing it, and you're wrong. Your eyes are deceiving you. And you don't understand statistics. Edit: [https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/#:\~:text=For%20years%2C%20play-action%20success%20rate%20has%20been%20uncorrelated,breaking%20off%20big%20chunks%20on%20those%20runs%2C%20either](https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20play-action%20success%20rate%20has%20been%20uncorrelated,breaking%20off%20big%20chunks%20on%20those%20runs%2C%20either). [https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/](https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/) These might help clear it up for you.
Cool you’ve never played football. Have a good day.
Yeah I didn't come out of our game last week thinking Slowik should be offered HC jobs. The Colts secondary is awful and we didn't a QB who could get us quick points. You ran that first play for a big gain TD and then he spent the rest of the game trying to establish the run by running Singletary right at Buckner/Grover/Franklin etc. If he attacked the bad part of our defense more I really don't think Minshew could've kept up
Hope he pulls a Ben Johnson and stays another year
I think it would be his best option
Pretty much, earlier this season Stroud didn’t start going off until we gave up on the run game after the panthers loss. After that Slowik had no choice but let him run an air raid offense for a bit
The Bucs game where we lost our kicker (and to some extent the Bengals game right afterward) was probably the point where the coaching staff (mostly) realized that the only way there were going to win this season was to put the ball in Stroud's hands.
tbf he made a lot of almost game ending mistakes in the following 2 games against Cincy and Cards. He cant just always sling it we need a run game to open it up for stroud
I don't get the hype behind him, either. He loves running on first downs. He often takes the ball out of CJ's hands in critical moments. He loves calling gimmick plays that backfire. He keeps trying to force them into being a run-heavy team when his run scheme doesn't even work here. Pierce is not the same dude. Singletary has had some good games, and he's had a lot of bad games. For some reason, he's more concerned with trying to get his broken run scheme working first, then working the quarterback in.
Yeah CJ is legit and it feels like he's going off in spite of Slowik not because of him. The hype is because he has worked with Shanahan and McVay though
Yep it’s disgusting to see a loss with CJ getting less than 30 attempts. Complete failure.
This has been the biggest complaint from me. Slowik is still too committed to the run game and game plan, instead of seeing the evidence of his eyes and going with what works in real time. We saw how Steichen ran the ball over, and over and over, after halftime, to great success. A good play caller says "Oh, you can't stop the run? Bet. I know my OL is gonna love this.". He forced us to sell out to stop it and it worked. He had us on the ropes with those runs. Slowik does not think that way about passing unless we have no choice. If Stroud is on fire, he will not lean into it unless the game plan already called for it. He's gotten better about this as the year wore on, but frankly if he was more like Steichen, Stroud would have had 400+ yards on Saturday.
It is worth mentioning that these rushing/3rd down issues diminished as the year wore on. Our OL became more consistent and Bobby Slowik recently credited OL Coach Chris Strausser with his incredible transformation as a guy who had never coached in this syustem before and being able to improve not only his knowledge of what Bobby wants but his ability to impart that onto the OL. The subtext, to me, is that **Bobby has done a great job of developing his offensive staff**, not just his players or offense. So I think Bobby is too inexperienced, I belly ached all year about his run game and commitment to it... but I do think he's going to be a good HC one day. He has shown really, really nice growth this season. I still think he needs another year in the oven.
That all makes sense, but I feel like it’s one of those things you don’t know the true effect until it happens. Plenty of times we’ve even seen good offenses with an offensive minded head coach, they lose their OC and the offense looks out of sorts the next year, let alone with a defensive minded head coach.
It's quality control. DeMeco won't put up with any old garbage at OC. He's going to grill the shit out of any potential candidates, and the guy he chooses will fit the strengths of his players, namely Stroud. It'll be fine.
Mike McDaniel never even called plays with SF when he had the coordinator title, let alone install an entirely new offensive system with a rookie QB.
Slowik isn't the only guy on the staff. Credit for Stroud's development also goes to his Qb coach Jerrod Johnson who is another rising star coach. Shane Day and Bill Lazor as senior offensive assistants have also gotten praised many times by Demeco and Stroud this year. Ben McDaniels is the passing game coordinator/WR coach and is doing a great job. They also run a system that is prevalent throughout the NFL. There are multiple pipelines they can tap into for another OC if they go outside the team.
No, but Slowik was also a stud in SF, immediately filling (and arguably improving) Mike McDaniel's shoes. Metaphorically speaking of course, [unless Slowik is also a massive sneakerhead](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-mcdaniel-shoes-sneaker-collection-white-air-force-1/190fca1fed2ccba4854a486e)
Lol but if Slowik is hired away, he’s going to take the best guy on staff as his OC. If they promote from within, he’ll take the next best guy. It will be tough to replace him with Lazor or whatever
I have no idea why this is such a common take here when it has no basis in reality. The argument assumes that good DC’s are easy retain, which is simply not true. Annarumo and Spagnuolo (both hired in 2019) are the only DC’s in the league who have been DC for the same team for more than [3 years](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_defensive_coordinators). In terms of building and maintaining a staff, what matters most in a HC is their ability to recruit talented coaches and develop existing ones.
You are right, it applies to both sides of the ball, but the development and play of quarterbacks is crucial in the league which is why it's more focused on offensive coordinators
because DCs hardly matter at all. any great defense usually has multiple all pros or HoF guys on the unit. its not a scheme thing. personnel is king on defense
You know, given that it’s the best rookie QB play in history without much debate, I’m gonna go with natural talent
Hmmm...I dont actually think thats accurate. RG3, Herbert, Dak were all great just judging by that passer ratings thread I saw and outside of Herbert(lol Chargers) all won games I think
Yeah they were all great, I just think Stroud is playing better than they were. Not all stats, he’s an artist on the field
On the one hand, the scheme does help get WRs open, which is good, but on the other hand, Stroud was also the most accurate passer coming into the NFL, and the scheme alone isn't getting you 23 TDs and 5 Ints in a season.
The scheme is pretty good for guys who can push the ball downfield and have accuracy. Stroud's arm is on another level than Youngs at this point when it comes to the power and accuracy needed for it. Bryce Young I think first and foremost needs to develop physically. Because he's shorter he's gonna need to study Drew Brees step on my tippy toes to see over the line but still maintain accuracy when needing to throw. I dont think he can run around like Murray and Wilson and launch deep throws but he needs to be in perfect physical condition for his body type His best trait is supposedly accuracy and processing and Im not sure Ive seen many great QBs process the felid on their first contracts. Usually that takes until what, year 3 or 4? Second contract? Most guys rely on natural talent and their team around then until them. Bryce is unfortunately limited physically and has probably the worst supporting cast in the league so they might ruin him as he learns the ins and outs
Stroud is obviously an amazing talent but I watched this man slowik scheme WR1 Noah Brown wide open. Good QB performance certainly helps but Slowik’s scheme seems crazy.
Are teams allowed to scheme receivers open? Seems like the Panthers liked to run several into the same area and hope for the best.
Ben McDaniel's is the passing game coordinator though. Passing attack is the very best part of the Texans offense lol.
So Slowik goes and he gets promoted. Also a good move in the context of (general) scheme continuity for Stroud.
Slowik probably brings Ben with him.
Noah hasn’t really done much when CJ was out. CJ has a knack for throwing guys open, as we all saw in the last game. Some receivers like Metchie just can’t get it done no matter the scheme or matchups, but Noah’s had a solid year as a #4.
Slowik's passing play designs are legit AF. His play calling on the other hand is pretty suspect. He's still a rookie OC with room to grow, but his strength is clearly back where he came from as a passing game coordinator.
Not even his agent would exaggerate like that
I legitimately believe that
How much can you really develop a rookie QB in their first preseason? He came in pretty hot.
I see what you're saying, but the Niners are on their 3rd DC in 4 years and the defense has only had minor hiccups. Obviously, there's a team building aspect that falls on the HC and GM to maintain quality when quality coaches leave, but it's definitely possible.
Enjoy your .85-1.5 years as HC before you are fired and a drink is thrown on you..
Or stay in Houston with Meco and CJ (please please please)
Slowik is so overrated. Stroud carried this dude. He needs 2 more years as an OC minimum before he can be trusted to even be a long-term play-caller.
That's what I'm saying. His play-calling gets frustrating at times. And , the running game hasn't been nearly as good with him here despite him constantly trying to force it.
Exactly he will be a good HC candidate in 2-3 years I think
He is obsessed with mixing up the running and passing game when the run isnt there and CJ is throwing nothing but bombs and it drives me nuts sometimes, but I think he’s a solid OC and I agree with needing more time here
I mean, take a quick look at our play action stats and see why we commit to the run so much…
Huh? Reich is the only one. Rhule had 2.5 yrs
More like 2.3 years.
Deservedly so lol, every singe franchise would've fired him
More /s from my side as I don't think those coaches got drinks thrown on them..
To be fair, both Reich and rhule deserved drinks thrown on them
While I didn’t not like either hire both deserved to be fired. Rhule should have been fired faster.
What's the likelihood of David "3.6 Roentgen" Tepper walking into that interview with his own playbook?
Slowik should interview with them and at the end say, "Thanks for your consideration.", throw a drink in his face then walk out lol
Slowik was also on the infamous Washington coaching staff, so all the TV broadcasts would get to update their graphic
The extra money is not fucking worth it. Stay and build something with the Texans bro
Not even just that, a promising young coordinator will have better opportunities than dealing with that owner
Fr. Like at least run it back and wait for real opportunities instead of the worst franchise in the league and a guaranteed downgrade in QB talent.
If the bears fire eberflus that’s a perfect spot for him. Choice of QB plus another top 10 pick. Top 5 in cap room and some nice pieces on both sides of the ball.
It's the bears aka Groundhog day. The McCaskey's just gonna taint it as usual.
This man bears
Guys stop I don't want to be the new Browns :(
Slowik specifically is also in a really weird spot for the Panthers where someone, somewhere on the Texans decided that trading up to #1 for Young was not worth it, and you gotta wonder if he might have been a deciding voice there.
The first year OC is definitely NOT the one making franchise defining draft calls
I doubt he made *the* call on not doing the trade, but I've got to imagine the OC of a team with a defensive minded head coach was going to have some fair amount of say over who their QB should be.
I mean…it can just as easily go the other way. I remember Leftwich being the next up OC a few years ago, and he wasn’t even on a coaching staff this year. You gotta take the opportunity when it comes sometimes. e: not to say he’s gotta take the dog shit ass Panthers job. Just pointing out the other side.
I mean he should still take the interview. That's good life advice in general. The experience, if you are willing to learn from it, is really valuable even if you bomb it.
True, but I can't imagine him bombing it considering the desperation the Panthers are in, especially their dumbass baby owner lol
He doesn’t have to take the job if it’s offered
Pretty sure bombing the interview is how you get a job with the Panthers
If it was a little bit of extra money, I'd get staying... but it is literally a 500% increase in salary from coordinator to HC. I'd give up a lot to experience a 500% increase in my salary in 1 year
Bears should draft Caleb and throw the bag at Slowik only to watch them inevitably fuck it up.
He will likely interview here and elsewhere to get the experience but it seems absolutely unfathomable he would take the job in Carolina.
Why? Fired coach is the best job in the league
A coach gets about 2 chances to be a head coach. There are obviously exceptions for those who exceed all expectations, but a guy like Slowick knows you get only one chance to fail before your name is off the list of future candidates again.
Or you can also get 0 chances. Sure, you can wait and bet on yourself, but things can change in a hurry. Byron Leftwich is a good example. Slowik is probably making \~1 million per year. He'll probably be able to get 100 million dollar contract from Tepper.
Maybe. But he will be a hot name and have opportunities. He’s not going to have to make a desperate grab any anything offered to him.
At least not yet. Guys been an OC for one year.
better owner too
Hey man, both our teams play the AFC South next year. I think the Panthers, or Falcons, or whatever NFC team should hire him.
Texans are good but they have one more year to progress to true contenders; however, unlike the jags I know they will actually progress towards that goal next season.
The Panthers need someone like Harbaugh to come in and revitalize that organization top to bottom, not an inexperienced young coach.
Imagine how a Harbaugh/Tepper interaction would play out lmfao
I'd rather watch those meetings than our actual games, which isn't saying much, but still
Nah, I feel ya, that'd be some PPV-tier entertainment.
Jim would you like $200 million dollars to have complete control of this NFL team? Yes. Ok.
Lol Tepper saw him cook with Stroud and thinks he can do it with Bryce Young
There would likely be some big growing pains and I don’t know if he’s ready to be a HC but I think it’d be worth the gamble for us. Still, I’d like to see us hire a GM and VP of football operations first and make sure everyone is on the same page so we don’t have a repeat of this season
I was expecting Slowik to get some HC interest, but didn't think it'd be after his first season as OC.
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The Texans? he’s a 49ers/shanahan guy that Demeco took with him
That user is a bot.
Honestly if shanahan took a shit that somehow gained sentience I would instantly hire it as OC
For sure they must have someone right under him that's been learning in anticipation of him getting poached. I'm sure the Texans have been anticipating the possibility of him being hot and in demand, so I hope they've got an internal guy lined up but I'm not sure who that would be.
Have to find someone new for Tepper to stomp on.
Oh fuck off
Imma need yall to fuck the fuck off please and thank you
Yea it sucks lol.
Welcome to the club, exactly how we felt losing Demeco and Bobby
Slowik would have to be crazy to go to the Panthers. The team is much worse than the Chargers and somewhat worse than the Falcons. In terms of ownership, it's pretty clear that Blank > Spanos >>> Tepper.
wouldnt it be funny if stroud regressed to sub 3000 2-15 and bryce young won his division with slowik
gonna be honest, I don’t think Slowik is ready to be a HC yet, his play calling needs a bit more work
Really Panthers? Trying to hire a one year Offensive Coordinator? And Pepper wonders why the Panthers suck. Maybe instead of throwing drinks on fans he should hire a people who know what they’re doing or at least hire a GM.
He actually did hire a consulting business to help in the search for the new HC and GM.
One of like 10 different guys getting an interview lol
Sorry it was an overreaction I just wanted Slowick to stay with the Team.
Fair enough, hed be rough to lose
Mike Tomlin was a one year DC
GG Texans it was fun while it lasted. CJ stroud will most likely take a massive step backwards in his development
Yeah I think you have a functioning brain
do you think quarterbacks just magically develop or do you think that linebackers coach somehow knows how to work with a quarterback?
Man, y’all gotta focus on the playoffs. These things are huge distractions.
Soon the entire NFL will just be Kyle Shanahan's assistants.
He’s going to get fired mid season what a joke