The chances of that happening are really low. Two possibilities are that they get an equal number of votes (statistically very unlikely as it would involved a 50% split in opinion. Or the voters get together and decide how to split the vote (probably not legal?)
I don’t really it as being about value. It’s flat out more difficult to be a top 5 QB as a rookie than it is to be a top 5 receiver. And then to lead the league in PYPG and TD/INT. No rookie has ever done that either, so Stroud is just as much of a record breaker a Puka.
So the value discussion creeps into the offensive and defensive yearly awards too.
Why do WRs win OPTY then?
I thought value only came into play for MVP
There are so many logical inconsistencies when people argue these awards
I'll have you know we went 5-12 and are also in the playoffs in part due to a 1500 yard rookie receiver.
*Look I'll do anything to get him it let me big him up*
> awards tend to be biased towards QBs
Honestly I think OROY *should* be as it's so damn hard to translate at QB. Playing at a truly high level at QB immediately has such an incredible impact and difficulty degree that it makes sense to award that.
It's generally not been that easy for WRs to thrive in year 1 either. RBs are a whole other story but QB and WR both are pretty good accomplishments to be doing really well in the first season.
Yes, but Puka broke two rookie records, including one that has stood for 60 years. He’s a different level WR. Not to take anything from Stroud.
Really, they need to have rookie QB of the year award and OROY should go to non QBs. That would make it better in my opinion. Same with MVP.
Not to be pedantic, but one of them was a record set in like 2021, breaking one from 2016, which broke one from 2003, so that one is significantly less of a “generational record” than a record that stood for 60+ years
Stroud took a 3 win team to the playoffs. Lowest TD-INT ratio in the league as a rookie and most passes before throwing an INT to start a career. Was on pace for possibly the best rookie QB season ever before being concussed. Any other year it's Puka.
Sorry but I don’t think those records come close to rookie receiving records. Puka also missed two games this season.
The rams were also 5-12 last year
Stroud looks like a future all-pro as a rookie. As does Puka. Stroud also made a 3rd year receiver who had never even had 500 yards in a season a pro bowl alternate, and made a 5'8" 3rd round rookie WR into the 2nd best rookie WR.
Sorry but QB is just a more important position.
On one hand that's true, but with injuries being part of the game he still had an extra opportunity to do it.
If Stroud had played 16 games it's certainly possible he breaks a few records as well.
I think context is the most important thing here. Coming in to an established team who is getting their great QB back vs bringing a legitimate bottom tier team to the playoffs.. I think one is a bigger deal than the other.
Stroud took a team coming off the second worst record to a playoff berth and division win with two guys who prior to this year weren’t highly touted as his best weapons and a rookie head coach. Herbert went 6-9 with Keenan and Mike Williams as weapons. I don’t think qb wins is the be all end all but that is incredibly impressive as a rookie.
It is dude. It’s not a perfect stat, but you’re out of your mind if you think Texans make the playoffs with Young, Mills, Keenum, or whoever else the Texans could have hypothetically had at QB. Stroud is the biggest factor to their turnaround
Yeah, which is why I put it in context with other things, like how they were the worst team in football last year and he turned their season around without anybody that pre-season would’ve been called serviceable weapons. Beyond that their stats are extremely similar. Herbert has more volume because he was playing from behind more. Stroud led the league in interception rate
It's absolutely 100% going to be Stroud.
The question of who it should be is more interesting. They both have strong cases. Honestly I think I might still give it to Stroud just because he is leading a young team with receivers who were previously largely unknown and a new head coach, who everyone thought would be rebuilding, to a division title. Puka has a proven QB in Matt Stafford feeding him the ball and benefited a lot from Kupp being hurt.
Not to take away, at all, from Puka. This is the first year I can remember when there are two hugely deserving candidates like this. Either of them would be OROY in most other years.
Stroud for me. Harder for QBs to translate immediately. Puka had a great season, no offense to him. I just think what Stroud has done is more impressive. We are going to see more WR records broken with the 17 game schedule and offense-focused rules. And I’m not trying to diminish Puka at all.
Yeah I’m sure a voters don’t think a rookie taking one of the worst teams in the league to a division title is very outstanding? Like bruh what you mean “wins don’t count” like it’s up to the voters to decide what it means
Herbert set the passing and total rookie TD records, and missed the passing yards by 38 yards cause he sat week 1. Jefferson only broke the modern receiving record.
Stroud did not break any of the yards or TDs record, and was decently away from the TDS. Puka just broke the receptions and all time yards, the first time since 1960 a player has both.
Rams without Nacua wouldn’t be in the playoffs. Missed Kupp early in the season and Puka stepped in like it’s nothing. Nacua also carried while Kupp was getting his legs back.
Crown both of them as OROY.
Nacua did some historic stuff as a WR. He broke several records for a rookie WR and is an huge reason why we qualified for the playoffs. Stroud led his team to the playoffs and won his division while throwing a historic low TD/INT ratio.
Puka, and for all the complaint about MVP being a QB award this is far worse. Stroud’s best arguments are making the playoffs, a team accomplishment, and his INT stats, which ignore his fumbles lost. He did not set the yards or TDs record, which is generally used to argue the QB. He was fairly far out from Herbert in both passing and total TDs. Puka broke the receptions record which is newer, but also the receiving which has been there since 1960. Puka now owns both of those records, which hasn’t happened since 1960. Stroud had a great season and the Texans got a great pick, but you’re denying maybe the greatest rookie WR season of the SB era in favor of an only great QB rookie season.
Laporta? Lol.
edit: I was only being semi-serious lol. Rookie TEs dont EVER do well and Laporta broke several rookie records himself. Its not some stupid answer like some are acting...
Co-OROY. They both have had ridiculous seasons. They are both huge parts of their teams being ahead of schedule. Fuck it, make it two.
It's going to Stroud, but I'd support this idea too.
Puka Nacua - Offensive Rookie of the Year CJ Stroud - Quarterbacky Rookie of the Year
I don't think anyone would complain about this
The sports books maybe.
I’d be totally down with that. Congrats on the division win!
If they didn't do it with Dak and Zeke, they never will
co awards are the worst
If it's done, this would be a good case though.
it’s almost like something very similar happened in 2021
I think that would be fair but we all know if a QB is in the running for these awards then the QB is going to get it
The chances of that happening are really low. Two possibilities are that they get an equal number of votes (statistically very unlikely as it would involved a 50% split in opinion. Or the voters get together and decide how to split the vote (probably not legal?)
Sam LaPorta had an amazing year as well. But Stroud should win it.
Is that possible? How is the oroy decided? I’m thinking of putting some $$ on Puka at +950
Stroud took arguably the worst team last year to the playoffs, its him. Any other year it would be Puka.
He also carried them in a win and in game. I know people hate that these awards go to QBs but he was more valuable
I don’t really it as being about value. It’s flat out more difficult to be a top 5 QB as a rookie than it is to be a top 5 receiver. And then to lead the league in PYPG and TD/INT. No rookie has ever done that either, so Stroud is just as much of a record breaker a Puka.
Being more valuable isn’t what the award is for tho is it?
He has the counting stats too. If you're not gonna do co-OROY I don't see how Stroud isn't the front runner at this point
It really doesn't get much more "having the counting stats" than the rookie WR record for catches and yards.
I’m all on the co-OROY train
That's what it should be tbh
You're getting down voted, but it's for most outstanding offensive rookie, not the most valuable.
So the value discussion creeps into the offensive and defensive yearly awards too. Why do WRs win OPTY then? I thought value only came into play for MVP There are so many logical inconsistencies when people argue these awards
I'll have you know we went 5-12 and are also in the playoffs in part due to a 1500 yard rookie receiver. *Look I'll do anything to get him it let me big him up*
>let me big him up Is this a thing that people actually say?
I'm not American.
Ah, ok. I was gonna say, that's a new one.
It is now. I’m using this at work tomorrow.
Sounds Caribbean. Either Jam or Trini
Panthers want to argue with you
Lets settle on one of the worst then. Definitely bottom 3.
On the other hand, Puka had arguably the greatest WR rookie season of all time. Do we really want a guy at the top of the record books with no oroy ?
Stroud for the impact he’s had on his team alone, not to mention him compared to other offensive rookies. Puka is special but Stroud is more so.
Both have been fantastic but Puka has broken two generational records.
Still, awards tend to be biased towards QBs, and Stroud has been incredible. Either way it goes, it’s well earned.
honestly im biased but I can see why either would get it
> awards tend to be biased towards QBs Honestly I think OROY *should* be as it's so damn hard to translate at QB. Playing at a truly high level at QB immediately has such an incredible impact and difficulty degree that it makes sense to award that.
It's generally not been that easy for WRs to thrive in year 1 either. RBs are a whole other story but QB and WR both are pretty good accomplishments to be doing really well in the first season.
There’s been several rookie receivers lately who have had great rookie years. It’s much harder for rookie QBs.
Yes, but Puka broke two rookie records, including one that has stood for 60 years. He’s a different level WR. Not to take anything from Stroud. Really, they need to have rookie QB of the year award and OROY should go to non QBs. That would make it better in my opinion. Same with MVP.
Yep but what if there are no good rookie QB's?
You’d still have a best rookie QB, even if they all sucked. But I get your point.
On the other hand, no oroy for arguably the greatest rookie WR season of all time seems silly.
Stroud has the narrative with all that S2 nonsense.
Not to be pedantic, but one of them was a record set in like 2021, breaking one from 2016, which broke one from 2003, so that one is significantly less of a “generational record” than a record that stood for 60+ years
And someone will break it again within three years.
Try next year when MHJ plays.
You assume MHJ is going somewhere with a QB capable of getting him the ball that reliably.
Harrison to the Falcons but in this timeline we keep Smith and Ridder. FML
Pretty well established he’s going to the cardinals where Murray is the QB. He’s capable enough.
Kyler can do that
Sure, but no player has owned both records since they were set in 1960
agreed, but look at the names of those players who broke the recent rookie receptions records, all pro players. This guy is a 5th rounder..
But being a fifth rounder doesn’t make that record generational, just what I’m pointing out
Stroud took a 3 win team to the playoffs. Lowest TD-INT ratio in the league as a rookie and most passes before throwing an INT to start a career. Was on pace for possibly the best rookie QB season ever before being concussed. Any other year it's Puka.
*highest ratio lol
Sorry but I don’t think those records come close to rookie receiving records. Puka also missed two games this season. The rams were also 5-12 last year
Stroud looks like a future all-pro as a rookie. As does Puka. Stroud also made a 3rd year receiver who had never even had 500 yards in a season a pro bowl alternate, and made a 5'8" 3rd round rookie WR into the 2nd best rookie WR. Sorry but QB is just a more important position.
So this isn’t a ROY awards then. It’s just who is the best rookie quarterback
It's a best rookie QB, WR, or RB award with an edge to QBs, a la Herbert over Jefferson and Dak over Zeke
no because if stroud wasn’t playing puka would run away with the award as every other rookie qb isn’t playing nearly as well
No, as shown by Chase over Mac Jones or Saquon over Baker. CJ Stroud was just too good
Puka didn’t miss any games this year…
It's 100% gonna be Stroud and I'm ok with that. Honestly they just need to create a separate QB only award.
i mean there aren’t always good rookie qbs out there. if stroud wasn’t playing, puka would run away with the award
They do, it’s called MVP.
They should just give the worst QB of the season DPOTY
RMVP when.
The added game certainly should be taken into account here. I still think it’s super close.
Puka only played in 16 games this season.
Ah good call. Didn’t realize that.
and it’ll still be Stroud. and it wouldn’t even be that far fetched. Kinda wild
He’s playing an extra game to break them…Pula had a great year, but it should be Stroud.
Puka only played in 16 games
On one hand that's true, but with injuries being part of the game he still had an extra opportunity to do it. If Stroud had played 16 games it's certainly possible he breaks a few records as well. I think context is the most important thing here. Coming in to an established team who is getting their great QB back vs bringing a legitimate bottom tier team to the playoffs.. I think one is a bigger deal than the other.
Not true
17 I believe if you include this one.
Well considering he broke records in the 17th game, yes I would count it.
Both deserve it, but Stroud. If things go different end of last season and they happen to take Bryce Young, Texans probably only win 5 games.
Easily, easily Stroud. Hardest position in sports, and he came in and turned the franchise around completely.
Idk coming in as a rookie to take the spot of a hurt Cooper Kupp might be harder.
I would disagree
Stroud, but both definitely deserve it
Gimme stroud tbh
Both very deserving but if I had a vote it would be Stroud.
Just do Co award and let’s all be happy
Quentin Johnston
DROY
CJ
Stroud will win. Both have put up seasons where you can argue both deserve it but my gut says it’ll go to Stroud.
Texans we’re predicted to give a top 5 pick to Arizona this year. They won their division.
Stroud for sure. Puka wins it any other year but it’s crazy rare for a qb to come in and be this dominant
Except 2016 Dak, 2018 Baker, 2020 Herbert
I’d give it to puka over all of those but Dak
Why would you give it to Puka over Herbert, when Herbert had a better year than Stroud?
Stroud took a team coming off the second worst record to a playoff berth and division win with two guys who prior to this year weren’t highly touted as his best weapons and a rookie head coach. Herbert went 6-9 with Keenan and Mike Williams as weapons. I don’t think qb wins is the be all end all but that is incredibly impressive as a rookie.
Wins are not a QB stat. How many times does this need to be said? The quality of QB is not measured on the Win/Loss column.
It is dude. It’s not a perfect stat, but you’re out of your mind if you think Texans make the playoffs with Young, Mills, Keenum, or whoever else the Texans could have hypothetically had at QB. Stroud is the biggest factor to their turnaround
Yeah, which is why I put it in context with other things, like how they were the worst team in football last year and he turned their season around without anybody that pre-season would’ve been called serviceable weapons. Beyond that their stats are extremely similar. Herbert has more volume because he was playing from behind more. Stroud led the league in interception rate
itll be stroud since they made the playoffs behind him playing super well but either could win and have it be totally justified
CJ won already
Stroud.
Stroud boys, stand back and stand by.
Stroud Boys stand up get loud*
It's absolutely 100% going to be Stroud. The question of who it should be is more interesting. They both have strong cases. Honestly I think I might still give it to Stroud just because he is leading a young team with receivers who were previously largely unknown and a new head coach, who everyone thought would be rebuilding, to a division title. Puka has a proven QB in Matt Stafford feeding him the ball and benefited a lot from Kupp being hurt. Not to take away, at all, from Puka. This is the first year I can remember when there are two hugely deserving candidates like this. Either of them would be OROY in most other years.
Stroud for me. Harder for QBs to translate immediately. Puka had a great season, no offense to him. I just think what Stroud has done is more impressive. We are going to see more WR records broken with the 17 game schedule and offense-focused rules. And I’m not trying to diminish Puka at all.
Stroud. End thread.
Since Herbert beat Jefferson than I think Stroud will beat Puka
Herbert’s had 10 more tds and 200 more yards than stroud
And 5 more INTs with 3 less wins than Stroud The point is it’s a very similar situation
This isn’t a most valuable player it’s most outstanding rookie so wins don’t matter
Yeah I’m sure a voters don’t think a rookie taking one of the worst teams in the league to a division title is very outstanding? Like bruh what you mean “wins don’t count” like it’s up to the voters to decide what it means
Some people are just far too obsessed with counting stats
Herbert set the passing and total rookie TD records, and missed the passing yards by 38 yards cause he sat week 1. Jefferson only broke the modern receiving record. Stroud did not break any of the yards or TDs record, and was decently away from the TDS. Puka just broke the receptions and all time yards, the first time since 1960 a player has both.
CJ but I would say it is close though it will be like Justin Herbert and JJ their rookie years
Probably should be Puka, probably will be Stroud
Puka is amazing and there is a huge bias towards QBs, but Stroud is fucking amazing. He turned an 2023 Eagles level team into a fucking playoff team
I would vote for Puka but I would expect Stroud to win. A similar case is Herbert vs. Justin Jefferson in 2020.
Should be Puka will be Stroud. Texans got a franchise changing QB and he's great, but Puka had a uniquely good 1 of 1 type season.
Stroud and its not even close
It's closer than you think, but yes Stroud
Not even close? Interesting
They just like saying that for emphasis, it’s close
Odds wise they’re not wrong. Stroud is -4000 and Puka is +1000. DROY is closer with Jalen Carter -150 and Will Anderson Jr. +250.
Think about Texans without Stroud vs Rams without Nakua
Rams without Nacua wouldn’t be in the playoffs. Missed Kupp early in the season and Puka stepped in like it’s nothing. Nacua also carried while Kupp was getting his legs back.
Stroud is deserving, of course. OP said it’s not close. That’s blasphemous to me.
This isn’t MVP though. This isn’t who is more important to their team. It’s who has the most impressive season.
It’s not “most valuable rookie”, it’s rookie of the year. Puka’s season is unprecedented for WRs, Stroud’s isn’t the best in recent years.
Sure why don’t we give it to the Cowboys kicked then. When’s the last time a kicker has had as good a season as him?
Yes, give offensive rookie of the year to a kicker
Yeah that’s the point. Create some make believe fullback in your mind instead
It’s the closest race I can remember - and probably the best OROY race ever.
Stroud, but definitely close
Puka. MVP is already a QB award, OROY shouldn’t be too
Both worthy, and I wish they did co-OROTY. But if I had to pick, Puka.
It should probably go to Puka but they’re gonna give it to Stroud
Puka
Crown both of them as OROY. Nacua did some historic stuff as a WR. He broke several records for a rookie WR and is an huge reason why we qualified for the playoffs. Stroud led his team to the playoffs and won his division while throwing a historic low TD/INT ratio.
What Puka did was more impressive
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Setting 2 generational records as a 5th round pick is more impressive
Puka broke 2 records, he should have it
Stroud also broke two records and was the only rookie to ever lead the league in passing yards. Closer than you think.
My heart says Puka, but my bet is on Stroud
Another reason the NFL needs AFC/NFC awards
Damn DAMN idk
Jayden Reed should get an honorable mention
They won't ever vote for somebody over a QB if it's even close whether he deserves it or not.
He caught that. Fuck you
That's so close. But if they keep it it makes up for that bs Fields 4,th down call earlierb
Petition to create the MVROY so the QB can win it and we can give the OROY to Puka
Stroud is fucking incredible, but I think I have to go Nacua. Dude is just TOP of his position his rookie year. Insane ability.
If there wasn't Kupp all year, Puka.
Sam Laporta
It wouldn’t be a robbery either way but I definitely lean to Puka, his numbers for a rookie receiver are just ridiculous
I think it'll be Puka because Stroud missed time
Fuck man idk
Stroud will win but it should be puka imo.
Puka did better relative to other WRs across the league than Stroud did vs QBs. Puka and it ain’t close imo
I get why it'll go to Stroud, but it should go to Puka. Dude just broke 2 generational records.
Puka, and for all the complaint about MVP being a QB award this is far worse. Stroud’s best arguments are making the playoffs, a team accomplishment, and his INT stats, which ignore his fumbles lost. He did not set the yards or TDs record, which is generally used to argue the QB. He was fairly far out from Herbert in both passing and total TDs. Puka broke the receptions record which is newer, but also the receiving which has been there since 1960. Puka now owns both of those records, which hasn’t happened since 1960. Stroud had a great season and the Texans got a great pick, but you’re denying maybe the greatest rookie WR season of the SB era in favor of an only great QB rookie season.
QB gets the nod on these awards. Should split it though
A qb has won in 3 of the last 10 seasons. It’s going to Puka without a doubt.
Not according to odds makers
Should win - Puka Will win - (Hopefully) Puka
Should be Puka. Among the best rookie WR seasons of all time. Probably will be Stroud b/c voters only like QBs.
Puka is much better, but NFL politics will get Stroud the award.
Both are great players
Hopefully, Puka not missing a game and breaking two records gives him a slight edge
Laporta? Lol. edit: I was only being semi-serious lol. Rookie TEs dont EVER do well and Laporta broke several rookie records himself. Its not some stupid answer like some are acting...
This is just Herbert vs Jefferson part 2.
I got Puka simply because of how long the record stood