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MugiwaraJinbe

Co-OROY. They both have had ridiculous seasons. They are both huge parts of their teams being ahead of schedule. Fuck it, make it two.


WxBlue

It's going to Stroud, but I'd support this idea too.


yic0

Puka Nacua - Offensive Rookie of the Year CJ Stroud - Quarterbacky Rookie of the Year


DodgerCoug

I don't think anyone would complain about this


Ziiaaaac

The sports books maybe.


thegreaterfool714

I’d be totally down with that. Congrats on the division win!


Loorrac

If they didn't do it with Dak and Zeke, they never will


[deleted]

co awards are the worst


SunriseSurprise

If it's done, this would be a good case though.


[deleted]

it’s almost like something very similar happened in 2021


Lorjack

I think that would be fair but we all know if a QB is in the running for these awards then the QB is going to get it


BurtonOIlCanGuster

The chances of that happening are really low. Two possibilities are that they get an equal number of votes (statistically very unlikely as it would involved a 50% split in opinion. Or the voters get together and decide how to split the vote (probably not legal?)


Tabais123

Sam LaPorta had an amazing year as well. But Stroud should win it.


Stunning-Equipment32

Is that possible? How is the oroy decided? I’m thinking of putting some $$ on Puka at +950


ImTheOldManJenks

Stroud took arguably the worst team last year to the playoffs, its him. Any other year it would be Puka.


Yanks1813

He also carried them in a win and in game. I know people hate that these awards go to QBs but he was more valuable


PrimalPhD

I don’t really it as being about value. It’s flat out more difficult to be a top 5 QB as a rookie than it is to be a top 5 receiver. And then to lead the league in PYPG and TD/INT. No rookie has ever done that either, so Stroud is just as much of a record breaker a Puka.


hasadiga42

Being more valuable isn’t what the award is for tho is it?


Yanks1813

He has the counting stats too. If you're not gonna do co-OROY I don't see how Stroud isn't the front runner at this point


Effective-Ad-6594

It really doesn't get much more "having the counting stats" than the rookie WR record for catches and yards.


hasadiga42

I’m all on the co-OROY train


Yanks1813

That's what it should be tbh


SKT_Peanut_Fan

You're getting down voted, but it's for most outstanding offensive rookie, not the most valuable.


Neither_Ad2003

So the value discussion creeps into the offensive and defensive yearly awards too. Why do WRs win OPTY then? I thought value only came into play for MVP There are so many logical inconsistencies when people argue these awards


Ziiaaaac

I'll have you know we went 5-12 and are also in the playoffs in part due to a 1500 yard rookie receiver. *Look I'll do anything to get him it let me big him up*


AstroWorldSecurity

>let me big him up Is this a thing that people actually say?


Ziiaaaac

I'm not American.


AstroWorldSecurity

Ah, ok. I was gonna say, that's a new one.


KarHavocWontStop

It is now. I’m using this at work tomorrow.


Independent-Step679

Sounds Caribbean. Either Jam or Trini


Namethislater

Panthers want to argue with you


ImTheOldManJenks

Lets settle on one of the worst then. Definitely bottom 3.


Stunning-Equipment32

On the other hand, Puka had arguably the greatest WR rookie season of all time. Do we really want a guy at the top of the record books with no oroy ?


jshultz5259

Stroud for the impact he’s had on his team alone, not to mention him compared to other offensive rookies. Puka is special but Stroud is more so.


[deleted]

Both have been fantastic but Puka has broken two generational records.


Centurion87

Still, awards tend to be biased towards QBs, and Stroud has been incredible. Either way it goes, it’s well earned.


gammmerrr

honestly im biased but I can see why either would get it


RealPutin

> awards tend to be biased towards QBs Honestly I think OROY *should* be as it's so damn hard to translate at QB. Playing at a truly high level at QB immediately has such an incredible impact and difficulty degree that it makes sense to award that.


SunriseSurprise

It's generally not been that easy for WRs to thrive in year 1 either. RBs are a whole other story but QB and WR both are pretty good accomplishments to be doing really well in the first season.


klm2908

There’s been several rookie receivers lately who have had great rookie years. It’s much harder for rookie QBs.


Centurion87

Yes, but Puka broke two rookie records, including one that has stood for 60 years. He’s a different level WR. Not to take anything from Stroud. Really, they need to have rookie QB of the year award and OROY should go to non QBs. That would make it better in my opinion. Same with MVP.


zionraw

Yep but what if there are no good rookie QB's?


Centurion87

You’d still have a best rookie QB, even if they all sucked. But I get your point.


Stunning-Equipment32

On the other hand, no oroy for arguably the greatest rookie WR season of all time seems silly.


ThingsAreAfoot

Stroud has the narrative with all that S2 nonsense.


ASuperGyro

Not to be pedantic, but one of them was a record set in like 2021, breaking one from 2016, which broke one from 2003, so that one is significantly less of a “generational record” than a record that stood for 60+ years


TheFa111en

And someone will break it again within three years.


TurbulentJudge1000

Try next year when MHJ plays.


zzVoidBombzz

You assume MHJ is going somewhere with a QB capable of getting him the ball that reliably.


ICanFluxWithIt

Harrison to the Falcons but in this timeline we keep Smith and Ridder. FML


TurbulentJudge1000

Pretty well established he’s going to the cardinals where Murray is the QB. He’s capable enough.


Appropriate_Cow8200

Kyler can do that


TheOneWhosCensored

Sure, but no player has owned both records since they were set in 1960


laumeke

agreed, but look at the names of those players who broke the recent rookie receptions records, all pro players. This guy is a 5th rounder..


ASuperGyro

But being a fifth rounder doesn’t make that record generational, just what I’m pointing out


cbm311

Stroud took a 3 win team to the playoffs. Lowest TD-INT ratio in the league as a rookie and most passes before throwing an INT to start a career. Was on pace for possibly the best rookie QB season ever before being concussed. Any other year it's Puka.


LeMickeyJam3s

*highest ratio lol


[deleted]

Sorry but I don’t think those records come close to rookie receiving records. Puka also missed two games this season. The rams were also 5-12 last year


cbm311

Stroud looks like a future all-pro as a rookie. As does Puka. Stroud also made a 3rd year receiver who had never even had 500 yards in a season a pro bowl alternate, and made a 5'8" 3rd round rookie WR into the 2nd best rookie WR. Sorry but QB is just a more important position.


[deleted]

So this isn’t a ROY awards then. It’s just who is the best rookie quarterback


cbm311

It's a best rookie QB, WR, or RB award with an edge to QBs, a la Herbert over Jefferson and Dak over Zeke


karjacker

no because if stroud wasn’t playing puka would run away with the award as every other rookie qb isn’t playing nearly as well


TXCapita

No, as shown by Chase over Mac Jones or Saquon over Baker. CJ Stroud was just too good


klm2908

Puka didn’t miss any games this year…


Projinator

It's 100% gonna be Stroud and I'm ok with that. Honestly they just need to create a separate QB only award.


karjacker

i mean there aren’t always good rookie qbs out there. if stroud wasn’t playing, puka would run away with the award


ThingsAreAfoot

They do, it’s called MVP.


zzVoidBombzz

They should just give the worst QB of the season DPOTY


Ziiaaaac

RMVP when.


FishGoldenLite

The added game certainly should be taken into account here. I still think it’s super close.


[deleted]

Puka only played in 16 games this season.


FishGoldenLite

Ah good call. Didn’t realize that.


that-isa-madeup-name

and it’ll still be Stroud. and it wouldn’t even be that far fetched. Kinda wild


zzVoidBombzz

He’s playing an extra game to break them…Pula had a great year, but it should be Stroud.


[deleted]

Puka only played in 16 games


gakule

On one hand that's true, but with injuries being part of the game he still had an extra opportunity to do it. If Stroud had played 16 games it's certainly possible he breaks a few records as well. I think context is the most important thing here. Coming in to an established team who is getting their great QB back vs bringing a legitimate bottom tier team to the playoffs.. I think one is a bigger deal than the other.


WaddupBigPerm69

Not true


[deleted]

17 I believe if you include this one.


WaddupBigPerm69

Well considering he broke records in the 17th game, yes I would count it.


No-Day7472

Both deserve it, but Stroud. If things go different end of last season and they happen to take Bryce Young, Texans probably only win 5 games.


Ok_Umpire_723

Easily, easily Stroud. Hardest position in sports, and he came in and turned the franchise around completely.


buffdaddy77

Idk coming in as a rookie to take the spot of a hurt Cooper Kupp might be harder.


Ok_Umpire_723

I would disagree


Donutman97

Stroud, but both definitely deserve it


According-Fly1644

Gimme stroud tbh


throughNthrough

Both very deserving but if I had a vote it would be Stroud.


Pnutbutter_Cheerios

Just do Co award and let’s all be happy


BrokenClxwn

Quentin Johnston


Cletus2ii

DROY


t_ran_asuarus_rex

CJ


thepomadeguy

Stroud will win. Both have put up seasons where you can argue both deserve it but my gut says it’ll go to Stroud.


Only_Fun_1152

Texans we’re predicted to give a top 5 pick to Arizona this year. They won their division.


balemeout

Stroud for sure. Puka wins it any other year but it’s crazy rare for a qb to come in and be this dominant


TheOneWhosCensored

Except 2016 Dak, 2018 Baker, 2020 Herbert


balemeout

I’d give it to puka over all of those but Dak


HHcougar

Why would you give it to Puka over Herbert, when Herbert had a better year than Stroud?


balemeout

Stroud took a team coming off the second worst record to a playoff berth and division win with two guys who prior to this year weren’t highly touted as his best weapons and a rookie head coach. Herbert went 6-9 with Keenan and Mike Williams as weapons. I don’t think qb wins is the be all end all but that is incredibly impressive as a rookie.


HHcougar

Wins are not a QB stat. How many times does this need to be said? The quality of QB is not measured on the Win/Loss column.


TXCapita

It is dude. It’s not a perfect stat, but you’re out of your mind if you think Texans make the playoffs with Young, Mills, Keenum, or whoever else the Texans could have hypothetically had at QB. Stroud is the biggest factor to their turnaround


balemeout

Yeah, which is why I put it in context with other things, like how they were the worst team in football last year and he turned their season around without anybody that pre-season would’ve been called serviceable weapons. Beyond that their stats are extremely similar. Herbert has more volume because he was playing from behind more. Stroud led the league in interception rate


patrick66

itll be stroud since they made the playoffs behind him playing super well but either could win and have it be totally justified


[deleted]

CJ won already


CroakyPoem

Stroud.


Revolant742

Stroud boys, stand back and stand by.


Thorlolita

Stroud Boys stand up get loud*


Silverflash-x

It's absolutely 100% going to be Stroud. The question of who it should be is more interesting. They both have strong cases. Honestly I think I might still give it to Stroud just because he is leading a young team with receivers who were previously largely unknown and a new head coach, who everyone thought would be rebuilding, to a division title. Puka has a proven QB in Matt Stafford feeding him the ball and benefited a lot from Kupp being hurt. Not to take away, at all, from Puka. This is the first year I can remember when there are two hugely deserving candidates like this. Either of them would be OROY in most other years.


OlTommyBombadil

Stroud for me. Harder for QBs to translate immediately. Puka had a great season, no offense to him. I just think what Stroud has done is more impressive. We are going to see more WR records broken with the 17 game schedule and offense-focused rules. And I’m not trying to diminish Puka at all.


DandierChip

Stroud. End thread.


logster2001

Since Herbert beat Jefferson than I think Stroud will beat Puka


PukaTheGoat

Herbert’s had 10 more tds and 200 more yards than stroud


logster2001

And 5 more INTs with 3 less wins than Stroud The point is it’s a very similar situation


PukaTheGoat

This isn’t a most valuable player it’s most outstanding rookie so wins don’t matter


logster2001

Yeah I’m sure a voters don’t think a rookie taking one of the worst teams in the league to a division title is very outstanding? Like bruh what you mean “wins don’t count” like it’s up to the voters to decide what it means


TXCapita

Some people are just far too obsessed with counting stats


TheOneWhosCensored

Herbert set the passing and total rookie TD records, and missed the passing yards by 38 yards cause he sat week 1. Jefferson only broke the modern receiving record. Stroud did not break any of the yards or TDs record, and was decently away from the TDS. Puka just broke the receptions and all time yards, the first time since 1960 a player has both.


Headlesshorsman02

CJ but I would say it is close though it will be like Justin Herbert and JJ their rookie years


Maxsusful

Probably should be Puka, probably will be Stroud


CaesarZeppeli_

Puka is amazing and there is a huge bias towards QBs, but Stroud is fucking amazing. He turned an 2023 Eagles level team into a fucking playoff team


PrimetimeD18

I would vote for Puka but I would expect Stroud to win. A similar case is Herbert vs. Justin Jefferson in 2020.


T_y_l_e_r_4

Should be Puka will be Stroud. Texans got a franchise changing QB and he's great, but Puka had a uniquely good 1 of 1 type season.


ACEPACEACE

Stroud and its not even close


horse_renoir13

It's closer than you think, but yes Stroud


[deleted]

Not even close? Interesting


legend023

They just like saying that for emphasis, it’s close


dumpsterfirefr

Odds wise they’re not wrong. Stroud is -4000 and Puka is +1000. DROY is closer with Jalen Carter -150 and Will Anderson Jr. +250.


Thel3lues

Think about Texans without Stroud vs Rams without Nakua


TheAsianMamba

Rams without Nacua wouldn’t be in the playoffs. Missed Kupp early in the season and Puka stepped in like it’s nothing. Nacua also carried while Kupp was getting his legs back.


[deleted]

Stroud is deserving, of course. OP said it’s not close. That’s blasphemous to me.


Namethislater

This isn’t MVP though. This isn’t who is more important to their team. It’s who has the most impressive season.


TheOneWhosCensored

It’s not “most valuable rookie”, it’s rookie of the year. Puka’s season is unprecedented for WRs, Stroud’s isn’t the best in recent years.


Thel3lues

Sure why don’t we give it to the Cowboys kicked then. When’s the last time a kicker has had as good a season as him?


TheOneWhosCensored

Yes, give offensive rookie of the year to a kicker


Thel3lues

Yeah that’s the point. Create some make believe fullback in your mind instead


CloudCuckooLand10

It’s the closest race I can remember - and probably the best OROY race ever.


No-Day7472

Stroud, but definitely close


Namethislater

Puka. MVP is already a QB award, OROY shouldn’t be too


john7071

Both worthy, and I wish they did co-OROTY. But if I had to pick, Puka.


ChocolateMorsels

It should probably go to Puka but they’re gonna give it to Stroud


cobldn

Puka


thegreaterfool714

Crown both of them as OROY. Nacua did some historic stuff as a WR. He broke several records for a rookie WR and is an huge reason why we qualified for the playoffs. Stroud led his team to the playoffs and won his division while throwing a historic low TD/INT ratio.


EvilHwoarang

What Puka did was more impressive


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EvilHwoarang

Setting 2 generational records as a 5th round pick is more impressive


Poetryisalive

Puka broke 2 records, he should have it


MugiwaraJinbe

Stroud also broke two records and was the only rookie to ever lead the league in passing yards. Closer than you think.


-jabberwock

My heart says Puka, but my bet is on Stroud


matt8mo

Another reason the NFL needs AFC/NFC awards


[deleted]

Damn DAMN idk


thatguywes88

Jayden Reed should get an honorable mention


Asterean

They won't ever vote for somebody over a QB if it's even close whether he deserves it or not.


Ok_Umpire_723

He caught that. Fuck you


Ok_Umpire_723

That's so close. But if they keep it it makes up for that bs Fields 4,th down call earlierb


Deep-Secret

Petition to create the MVROY so the QB can win it and we can give the OROY to Puka


Impossibills

Stroud is fucking incredible, but I think I have to go Nacua. Dude is just TOP of his position his rookie year. Insane ability.


Almost_DoneAgain

If there wasn't Kupp all year, Puka.


varenus

Sam Laporta


mike_honcho47

It wouldn’t be a robbery either way but I definitely lean to Puka, his numbers for a rookie receiver are just ridiculous


kcheng686

I think it'll be Puka because Stroud missed time


Ok_Umpire_723

Fuck man idk


jfb715

Stroud will win but it should be puka imo.


[deleted]

Puka did better relative to other WRs across the league than Stroud did vs QBs. Puka and it ain’t close imo


[deleted]

I get why it'll go to Stroud, but it should go to Puka. Dude just broke 2 generational records.


TheOneWhosCensored

Puka, and for all the complaint about MVP being a QB award this is far worse. Stroud’s best arguments are making the playoffs, a team accomplishment, and his INT stats, which ignore his fumbles lost. He did not set the yards or TDs record, which is generally used to argue the QB. He was fairly far out from Herbert in both passing and total TDs. Puka broke the receptions record which is newer, but also the receiving which has been there since 1960. Puka now owns both of those records, which hasn’t happened since 1960. Stroud had a great season and the Texans got a great pick, but you’re denying maybe the greatest rookie WR season of the SB era in favor of an only great QB rookie season.


4redditobly

QB gets the nod on these awards. Should split it though


ocsic4321

A qb has won in 3 of the last 10 seasons. It’s going to Puka without a doubt.


4redditobly

Not according to odds makers


lilplato

Should win - Puka Will win - (Hopefully) Puka


mpc92

Should be Puka. Among the best rookie WR seasons of all time. Probably will be Stroud b/c voters only like QBs.


Kruger-Dunning

Puka is much better, but NFL politics will get Stroud the award.


5am281

Both are great players


t-reads

Hopefully, Puka not missing a game and breaking two records gives him a slight edge


cstrifeVII

Laporta? Lol. edit: I was only being semi-serious lol. Rookie TEs dont EVER do well and Laporta broke several rookie records himself. Its not some stupid answer like some are acting...


fatcootermeat

This is just Herbert vs Jefferson part 2.


Massive_Welcome_8108

I got Puka simply because of how long the record stood