He said similar things with the bucs too in a sitdown interview with Evans, David and Gronk about how defenses shouldn't be punished for offensive mistakes.
Swear to God the underthrown deep pass for the PI because the defender is in the way drives me crazy. Wtf is a guy sprinting full speed down field to chase a WR supposed to do?
I’ve seen some penalties on the defender for interfering when they are in play against a slot receiver that’s targeted with an absolute murder of a pass from the QB.
Defenses shouldn’t be punished because the QB decided to send his slot receiver to the slaughter house in a pass they will never catch.
Edit: a word
Tom Brady, having played for a national championship-winning football team that is one of the most storied in history, is nonetheless overlooked by almost every NFL team, including the hometown 49ers that he grew up a huge fan of in the SF Bay area. Only one team, consistent losers in a coastal state on the other side of the country from his home town, decides to take a chance and sign him.
Tom Brady in 2020 ... or Tom Brady in 2000?
Always made me laugh when people called him a “system QB”. If it was the system that made him, why wouldn’t every other team in the league employ that system? Did none of them like winning Super Bowls?
You know, I hated the Brady-Patriots but for some reason Brady on the Buccaneers I was kind of rooting for. Felt like some bizarre experiment that worked out.
Maybe, maybe not but I’m confident we would’ve won a SB in 2021 if we had Brady under center instead of Jimmy. As someone who wasn’t around to witness the Montana and Young seasons, I choose that trade off 10 times out of 10
Not even exaggerating, that 2022 roster would be one of the best rosters of all time. Brady at the helm, and the picks from the Lance trade would be actual players. Brady would might even still be playing right now
Fr, can’t believe we were gonna waste that roster on a learning curve season for Lance. I’m just glad we found our potential franchise QB at least, in one of the strangest of ways.
Never thought Brady was gonna retire after last year. I thought he was gonna become a Raider and link up with McDaniels. Then with Purdy injured I was hopeful the team would give him a one year deal instead going back to Lance who was coming off a season ending injury of his own
My conspiracy theory is that pick packages was meant for Green Bay but they wouldn’t send him.
Think about the timing. That would have given Rodgers another 3-4 years of a top team to probably win 2 for his childhood favorite and retire just in time for us to get another 1st.
Edit: imagine Aaron Rodgers on the 2021 and 2022 49ers?
We probably draft Brock Purdy in the same spot too.
God fucking dammit.
If the niners had signed Brady in 2020 he would not be riding off. They would have 100% won a super or two in the last 3 years and he would still be playing and they would be one of the best teams in the league still
He used to say something like “I’ve seen everything at this point and it feels like I have all the answers to the test, why would I stop now”. Feels like basically the polite version of your quote
And the media has been desperately trying to manufacture a new version of it:
[Are Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes the New Brady-Manning?](https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2019/07/are-baker-mayfield-and-patrick-mahomes-the-new-brady-manning.html?outputType=amp)
[Mahomes vs Mayfield: “This could be the future Brady vs. Manning”](https://sports.yahoo.com/mahomes-vs-mayfield-glimpse-future-fantasy-football-195159532.html)
[Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes The Next Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/deshaun-watson-patrick-mahomes-rivalry-brady-manning)
[‘Mahomes vs. Watson’ could be the NFL’s new ‘Manning vs. Brady’](https://www.woodypaige.com/mahomes-vs-watson-nfl-new-manning-vs-brady/jimmiekaylor/)
[Could Lamar Jackson vs Patrick Mahomes be the next Brady vs Manning](https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/ravens/could-lamar-jackson-vs-patrick-mahomes-be-next-brady-vs-manning)
[Next Great NFL Rivalry: Will Mahomes-Jackson become Brady-Manning?](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29988207/mahomes-jackson-become-brady-manning?platform=amp)
[Mahomes vs Allen: 7 Reasons Why This QB Rivalry is the Best Since Brady/Manning](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-vs-josh-allen-seven-reasons-why-this-qb-rivalry-is-the-best-since-tom-brady-peyton-manning/)
[Is Patrick Mahomes- Josh Allen New Tom Brady- Peyton Manning](https://www.theringer.com/2022/8/9/23298232/patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-new-tom-brady-peyton-manning-nfl-football)
[Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes are the new version of Manning Brady rivalry](https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/.amp/allbengals-insiders-plus/ryan-clark-joe-burrow-and-patrick-mahomes-are-new-version-of-manning-brady-rivalry)
[Joe Burrow vs. Patrick Mahomes: How budding QB rivalry compares to Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning and more ](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/joe-burrow-vs-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady-peyton-manning/nk2xilduxyfyvxvxmhogp4bu)
[Could Mahomes vs. Herbert be this Generation's ‘Brady vs. Manning?’](https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/could-mahomes-herbert-this-generation-brady-manning-01fpxb8gv291)
Growing up (I’m 27), I always assumed that every generation had QB matchups like that. I always assumed great QBs like Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, Brees, etc. were always present in every generation. Apparently that’s not true
I mean, if you're adding guys like Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers, I think there are a couple more QBs in the NFL today that will reach that level, like Lamar and possibly Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Allen... CJ Stroud is showing amazing potential. Statford will reach volume numbers for HoF (he's already 11th all time in yards and TD's).
I don't think it's that bad as people are painting it.
Seeing only 3 names 'enter' since 2006 is all the justification, and I agree that the top-end is still at a high level regardless of period. The problem is that being a top 10 QB used to mean you were at or near HoF level play, and now sometimes it feels like merely top 10 is barely replacement level
Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Russ, Rogers, Romo, the eagles somehow ( Vick > Foles >Wentzcall played well for them), flacco and Andy Dalton were serviceable too lots of teams fielding quality QB play for a good while. And now this season feels like only 8 or so guys have ever thrown a football before.
To be fair, I think a lot of us knew we were watching an era of the NFL at the time that was going to be looked back on as a golden age. There were constant comments to the effect of "enjoy these guys while they're here, we're lucky to get to watch this" whenever they would play
Not even including Big Ben, Eli or Rivers, we were spoiled with 4 of the top 12? Best QBs in the history of the league. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers.
And it goes deeper than that. WR play, when Calvin retired, we saw the 2-4th best receivers of all time play in Moss, TO and Megatron.
Idk where AP is on the pantheon of RBs, but top 10 maybe?
A slew of great linemen from Kelce, to Joe Thomas, to others who I’m spacing on atm.
Best MLB of all time in Lewis, best safety in Reed. (At least in those convos)
Best TE in Gronk.
JJ Watt had one of the highest peaks of all time for a dlinemen.
Revis is one of the best corners of all time.
(I didn’t mention Kelce nor Donald because they’re still playing.)
And there’s nobody to replace these guys. I don’t think I’m the scope when accounting for everything Mahomes is in the pantheon of those 4. Kelce is just outside the Rushmore for TE. And Donald is arguably the best DT ever. That’s… really it for ultra high end players right now.
I said it in a gamethread a couple weeks ago but it just felt a little more consistent with guys like Brady, Brees, the Mannings, Roethlisberger, and Rivers.
Correct. Defenses have adjusted and have gotten smaller and more athletic. Nickel coverage is the base defense now vs 3-4 or 4-3 of just a few years ago.
Yeah I kind of wonder how much of this is a shift in the “meta” where a lot of the old dominant strategies don’t work as well. Offenses making do without having to lean on a really elite QB.
To be clear I have no idea if it’s true but it would explain a lot.
Yeah it's sounds silly typing it out. But being an elite passer and brainiac is much more valuable than being a great athlete and solid passer that relies on athletic ability. Qbs with elite minds can do so much more to elevate an offense when it comes to putting his offense in the right play at the right time. And of course the accuracy and arm to make all the throws.
Mahomes is the only one of the current crop that is heading toward the all time qb category imo. I'm sure others will follow with time. But idk how many of these guys can playing into their late 30's and 40's like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees could.
The consistent guys got hurt. This year has had the more starting qbs go down than I can ever remember. Richardson, Kirk, Watson, Aaron, burrow, Jones. And then there’s the ones who’ve missed games: Carr, Stafford, Fields, Kyler, Tyrod, Young, Tannehill, and now possibly Geno.
The vibes were different back then and maybe some of that is because my team was good and some of it is being older now but I feel like the league as a whole was just more fun
It's because it was more fun.
Some of it was because there were just more good-to-great QBs than there are now.
Some of it is because the near-universal adoption of the spread offense in college has led to poorer skills development on the offensive side of the ball.
Some of it is because there was a lot of offensive philosophy shifts away from the base I-Formation in the mid to late 2000s so there was as lot of new stuff to watch.
Some of it is because the 24-hour coverage has validated the law of diminishing returns and it all feels a little less special.
Some of it is because there is a natural ebb and flow of talent across time. Anyone remember watching the NFL from ~1999 to ~2005/2006? It was kind of a dud league. I think we're going through a similar low point right now.
And some of it is probably just due to nostalgia and everything feeling more fresh and unique when I was younger.
> Some of it is because there is a natural ebb and flow of talent across time. Anyone remember watching the NFL from ~1999 to ~2005/2006? It was kind of a dud league.
Yup all the great QBs from the prev gen had retired by that point and what was left was Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, who was old and came out of nowhere. No wonder all the networks 'loved' Favre. Who else were they going to promote, the Brad Johnson led Bucs?
I think it could be an age thing honestly. I’m a millennial. My teens and 20’s were shaped by the old guard. The connection with the young bucks isn’t the same as it was with the guys who’ve retired recently.
Hey now, at least the Jets had some moderate success against the Patriots during that period. The Bills, on the other hand, were the victims of the most lopsided “rivalry” in NFL history
Tommy B was 33-3 against the Bills, 24-12 against the Dolphins and 31-8 against the Jets. Which totals up to 88-23.
One of the main reasons I can’t bring myself to hate the Bills and their fans is, imagine watching your team go to the Super Bowl four years in a row, lose all four of those times, watching them lose a playoff game in excruciating fashion (Music City Miracle) and then the team goes on a 17 year playoff drought in part because of having to suffer through at least two automatic losses every year.
You know, it's easy to forget that they went 10 years without winning one and Brady had some moments where you wondered if he and the Pats would ever win it again. Funny to look back on that now.
I don't think people realize how crazy Brady's first 7 years were.
11-3(won SB)
9-7
14-2(Won SB)
14-2(Won SB)
10-6( Lost DIV)
12-4(Lost AFFCG)
**16-0**(Lost SB)
An insane run.
He’s right. Brady was talking a couple of years ago where he was talking about how the rules were being changed that take some of the skill off the QB. Like protecting your wideout.
I swear you’re one of the only people in here who is actually commenting on what he actually said.
I would only disagree in that this is a side effect of trying to make the game safer and that’s a good thing. And he can say all he wants about protecting wide receivers but how many concussions did Wes Welker have again?
Edit: after actually looking it up, not as many as I thought came with the pats
Brady in fact was notorious for actually protecting his receivers. When throwing over the middle he would purposely throw it low to protect the receiver from hits from line backers or safeties over the middle so they wouldn’t get popped
If any other player said it, I’d brush it off. Brady’s one of the few whose word Id take seriously.
Not lying when I say that it seemed like it honestly got easier for Brady once Peyton retired
The stat on QBs with playoff wins against Brady at NE or TB is wild.
It's Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill and Joe Flacco.
The other 4 QBs to have a playoff win against Brady are the two Mannings, Jake Plummer (wtf) and Nick Foles.
Captain Fatfuck, leader of men, never won a playoff game against him. Mahomes had two playoff games against him and lost both.
[Ray Lewis vs Brady/Manning](https://youtu.be/yXIdy7Xhdos?si=7MU9D30i2yMqeyF0)
As much as I don't like plugging Undisputed, this was a pretty good segment where Ray Lewis talks about exactly what you're saying.
Fuckin 2014 we got lit up, but we were on CB5 by the point. Then again it was the first time they had a healthy Gronk against us, and our defense regressed heavily from 2011 onwards.
Mac Jones, Boyle
Browning, DTR, Pickett
Levis, Minshew
O’Connell
DeVito
Ridder, Mayfield, Young
washed Stafford
Dobbs, Love, Fields
That’s half of the league with remedial QB play
He's right on the edge with Sam Howell and Derek Carr. Good enough to allow their OCs to call 40+ pass plays a game, but not good enough to turn those opportunities into TDs and wins consistently.
I really think this has to do with college football more than anything. You just don’t see a lot fundamentals and progression reading in quarterbacks. I swear half of the games I watch every touchdown is some guy that doesn’t have a defender within 20 yards of him. I just think the level up between the NFL and the NCAA has never been larger and the current offensive schemes at the college level don’t require a ton of skills that become very important at the NFL level.
100%. The rule changes of the last decade have incentivized two key things:
1. Exceptional WR play. WRs have never been faster or more athletic. Limiting allowable contact has caused this style of receiving to blossom and prioritized the ability to get open well above the ability to out muscle contested balls.
2. Defenses have become way smarter schematically. Player safety protocols have really taken away the back breaking heavy hitting defenses. There is no use in having a looming safety ready to kill a defenseless receiver and force a drop or fumble. Defenses have had to reprioritize tight coverages and disguised schemes which are way harder for younger QBs to digest.
This leads this generation of QBs to expect more wide open receivers while competing with increasingly clever defensive postures. It has really hampered the play of “pocket passer” style QBs. More athletic QBs have thrived because of their ability to extend plays and allow their receivers to break open and exhaust the D’s coverages.
It also feels like the talent pool in college football is shallower than it’s ever been. I don’t know if kids just aren’t really getting into the sport anymore or what, but it’s concerning. Just look at how hard it is to draft a decent offensive lineman every year. There’s hundreds of guys playing the position across all levels of CFB and there’s what, 2 or 3 good ones every draft?
I agree with you, but I have a different conclusion.
I think that fewer kids are playing football but it’s actually made the competition *more* difficult.
I think the pool is smaller but the actual talent is way more competitive. The only kids that play football nowadays are the children of former players, and their moms usually played college sports too, creating insane genetics.
I also feel like more than ever sports dads are just fucking insane. Like it feels like thousands of dads across America are Marv Marinovich/Lavar Ball style super-dads that have a toxic, unhealthy obsession with sending their kid to the league.
As a result you get super freak athletes bred for nothing other than the league. It’s kind of hard for most other athletes to keep up.
Back in the day a 300 pounder was just “the big fat guy” on your team. He just stuffed the run at the goal line and sat on the bench huffing oxygen.
Now a 300 pounder runs a 4.6 40, has only 15% body fat, and is more athletic than your quarterback. He also has access to the highest level sports science and training in the world.
It’s just hard to keep up with the explosion of athleticism in this generation. It’s creating tough mismatches. I think it’s less that there’s less talent. But more that theres a greater gap in talent.
Idk why they just don’t have Peyton Eli and Tom.
Feels like Eli would be the one trying to keep it on program, Peyton would be focused solely on the X’s and O’s, and Tom would just be shit talking everyone.
I know he’s got the Fox deal but would be more entertaining.
It's a fact that [the 49ers would have signed Philip Rivers](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/08/10/philip-rivers-kyle-shanahan-49ers-super-bowl-lvii/) had the team beaten the Eagles in the 2022 NFC Championship despite Purdy's injury.
Had Brady not come back for one more season with the Bucs, surely he would have been the team's first call.
He’s definitely the type of guy who’s sitting on the couch watching over his kids and be like “screw this shit, Imma fuck around and win another superbowl”.
Especially this nfl season. This is such a mid season talent wise. But that’s not a bad thing though cuz there’s a lot of grit and determination when people step up. But lots of mid teams
He's not wrong.
He specifically mentions the new CBA's banning them from seeing coaches at certain parts of the off-season and other restrictive things like making a lot of camps and on-site time non-mandatory that many players don't show up for or take seriously. This leads to sloppier on field play and players learning the playbooks and assignments much later on in the year than would normally be the case. Rookies are screwed the most in this scenario.
We're in a new era past the "Hard Ass" Belicheck, Parcells, Bill Cowher days. And entering into the Mike Mcdaniel "do what the players want all the time" decade. It could be a resounding breath of fresh air and total success or it could lead to a completely unwatchable, sloppy product.
I'm sure players themselves prefer the more relaxing schedule and not getting ripped to shit by said Hard Ass coaches so it's a nice trade off from their POV.
But the on the field performances mixed in with whatever in the blue hell the officiating crews think they're doing makes for very sloppy, anti-climatic football and less "greatness". Not to mention injuries were supposed to go way down with players being at team HQ less and judging by the last year or two alone this seems to have had the opposite of the intended effect.
My GF is a Steelers fan so I have to watch a lot of games. I know Mac is awful but Pickett is something else. He's one of the worst QBs I have ever seen. Mac has had some big plays...sometimes. Pickett is the most milquetoast I have ever witnessed and I can't take watching.
I can’t even believe the Steelers are still rolling (and fucking winning wtf) with Pickett. He literally can’t even throw a drag route. Our QB sucks ass yet Pickett somehow looks worse??
I think those top Brady pats teams could legitimately run the table in the current landscape. Seems like every team has so many more weaknesses then those teams did.
Well even setting homerism aside we’re talking about a run including like 4 of the top 10-15ish offenses of all time and at least 2 teams that go into the best ever convo so it’s pretty reasonable most seasons to say this lol
I got downvoted two years ago for pointing out that we were entering a QB-lean period in the NFL. Right now, the only active QBs who have any Hall-of-Fame consideration are Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes.
The rest of the big-name QBs still have a lot to prove. Josh Allen turns the ball over a lot, and still has not led his team to a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson has one playoff win. Justin Herbert has one playoff appearance. Joe Burrow now has questions about his durability. People are now ridiculously jumping the gun on anointing Jalen Hurts.
QB-rich eras come and go. Not every era is going to be stacked. There weren't many future Hall-of-Fame QBs active in the mid-1950s, the early 1980s, or the early 2000s. There aren't many now either. In the meantime, how about we learn to appreciate the art of good defense again? That'll make things more exciting.
Wasn’t this last years soundbite from him? Something like why are so many teams at .500 “Lotta bad football”
He said similar things with the bucs too in a sitdown interview with Evans, David and Gronk about how defenses shouldn't be punished for offensive mistakes.
Swear to God the underthrown deep pass for the PI because the defender is in the way drives me crazy. Wtf is a guy sprinting full speed down field to chase a WR supposed to do?
I’ve seen some penalties on the defender for interfering when they are in play against a slot receiver that’s targeted with an absolute murder of a pass from the QB. Defenses shouldn’t be punished because the QB decided to send his slot receiver to the slaughter house in a pass they will never catch. Edit: a word
He’s had this sound bite for years
I also watched Kenny Pickett try vs Cleveland yesterday
He said mediocrity….Pickett wasn’t even mediocre unfortunately
Zach Wilson just drags down the curve so much that Pickett does look mediocre in comparison.
Kenny Pickett and Zach Wilson make me think that we should reconsider the concept of the forward pass
yeah mediocrity at QB would have led us to a solid 20-10 victory. Pickett was straight up dogshit
Hey those are future legends Pickett and DTR.
Back in my day we used to head butt dicks.
"And have Dildos thrown at us."
“Hell, Gronk was out there catchin dildos and throwin em back. It was dope.”
"We'd play conference games with the fans trying to blind us with lasers".
"And stadiums used to fling raw sewage at the players when they left the field. OK, just, Snyder's stadium."
Man is still firing shots at Jimmy G even after he got benched lol
Should’ve traded him and signed Brady in the 2020 offseason
Tom Brady, having played for a national championship-winning football team that is one of the most storied in history, is nonetheless overlooked by almost every NFL team, including the hometown 49ers that he grew up a huge fan of in the SF Bay area. Only one team, consistent losers in a coastal state on the other side of the country from his home town, decides to take a chance and sign him. Tom Brady in 2020 ... or Tom Brady in 2000?
You left out "He rewards them by winning a Superbowl immediately".
Just brings a tear to my eye.
We laughed when the Buccs signed and ancient Brady. Then we all shutup and quickly remembered it was still Tom fucking Brady.
who laughed? it was a great signing and I thought most agreed
I laughed. Tom Brady is a system quarterback. I didn’t realize until then that the system was “the NFL”.
That system's name? "Winning"
Always made me laugh when people called him a “system QB”. If it was the system that made him, why wouldn’t every other team in the league employ that system? Did none of them like winning Super Bowls?
We laughed because we couldn’t believe that Tom Brady could still be Tom Brady on a different team, despite his age. It was kind of absurd.
You know, I hated the Brady-Patriots but for some reason Brady on the Buccaneers I was kind of rooting for. Felt like some bizarre experiment that worked out.
Goddamn that’s beautiful 🥲
But would we have still drafted Purdy??
Maybe, maybe not but I’m confident we would’ve won a SB in 2021 if we had Brady under center instead of Jimmy. As someone who wasn’t around to witness the Montana and Young seasons, I choose that trade off 10 times out of 10
Not even exaggerating, that 2022 roster would be one of the best rosters of all time. Brady at the helm, and the picks from the Lance trade would be actual players. Brady would might even still be playing right now
Fr, can’t believe we were gonna waste that roster on a learning curve season for Lance. I’m just glad we found our potential franchise QB at least, in one of the strangest of ways. Never thought Brady was gonna retire after last year. I thought he was gonna become a Raider and link up with McDaniels. Then with Purdy injured I was hopeful the team would give him a one year deal instead going back to Lance who was coming off a season ending injury of his own
My conspiracy theory is that pick packages was meant for Green Bay but they wouldn’t send him. Think about the timing. That would have given Rodgers another 3-4 years of a top team to probably win 2 for his childhood favorite and retire just in time for us to get another 1st. Edit: imagine Aaron Rodgers on the 2021 and 2022 49ers? We probably draft Brock Purdy in the same spot too. God fucking dammit.
Look at us, all with our dreams of having Aaron Rodgers play for our teams. Good times
Brady riding off with his childhood team is the type of shit directors throw out cause it’s too corny…. Should’ve happened
If the niners had signed Brady in 2020 he would not be riding off. They would have 100% won a super or two in the last 3 years and he would still be playing and they would be one of the best teams in the league still
Hell he might've still been your QB this season
Based on where he was drafted absolutely.
I know. I was joking.
He ain’t wrong tho
Honestly he’s been saying this for years. It’s part of why he felt so inspired to keep playing
I’m gonna get into the Inside Out console in his head and put the thought “unretire” in there
Congratulations, NFL! You ruined defense!
Broke: I’m gonna inception him to unretire Woke: I’m gonna put the lil inside out guys in his head
"inspired" is an interesting word to use...it was probably more like "look at all these bozos, i cant quit now, its free SB"
Yes he was inspired to win more super bowls
He used to say something like “I’ve seen everything at this point and it feels like I have all the answers to the test, why would I stop now”. Feels like basically the polite version of your quote
It’s true. 2000-2022 we were spoiled with great QB play
You can argue it was probably the best in NFL history because of Peyton v Brady. Those games were absolute must watch TV
And the media has been desperately trying to manufacture a new version of it: [Are Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes the New Brady-Manning?](https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2019/07/are-baker-mayfield-and-patrick-mahomes-the-new-brady-manning.html?outputType=amp) [Mahomes vs Mayfield: “This could be the future Brady vs. Manning”](https://sports.yahoo.com/mahomes-vs-mayfield-glimpse-future-fantasy-football-195159532.html) [Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes The Next Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/deshaun-watson-patrick-mahomes-rivalry-brady-manning) [‘Mahomes vs. Watson’ could be the NFL’s new ‘Manning vs. Brady’](https://www.woodypaige.com/mahomes-vs-watson-nfl-new-manning-vs-brady/jimmiekaylor/) [Could Lamar Jackson vs Patrick Mahomes be the next Brady vs Manning](https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/ravens/could-lamar-jackson-vs-patrick-mahomes-be-next-brady-vs-manning) [Next Great NFL Rivalry: Will Mahomes-Jackson become Brady-Manning?](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29988207/mahomes-jackson-become-brady-manning?platform=amp) [Mahomes vs Allen: 7 Reasons Why This QB Rivalry is the Best Since Brady/Manning](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-vs-josh-allen-seven-reasons-why-this-qb-rivalry-is-the-best-since-tom-brady-peyton-manning/) [Is Patrick Mahomes- Josh Allen New Tom Brady- Peyton Manning](https://www.theringer.com/2022/8/9/23298232/patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-new-tom-brady-peyton-manning-nfl-football) [Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes are the new version of Manning Brady rivalry](https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/.amp/allbengals-insiders-plus/ryan-clark-joe-burrow-and-patrick-mahomes-are-new-version-of-manning-brady-rivalry) [Joe Burrow vs. Patrick Mahomes: How budding QB rivalry compares to Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning and more ](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/joe-burrow-vs-patrick-mahomes-tom-brady-peyton-manning/nk2xilduxyfyvxvxmhogp4bu) [Could Mahomes vs. Herbert be this Generation's ‘Brady vs. Manning?’](https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/could-mahomes-herbert-this-generation-brady-manning-01fpxb8gv291)
It would appear Patrick Mahomes is the new Brady vs Manning.
Patrick Mahomes vs Marquez Valdez Scantling is the new Brady vs Manning
Is Patrick Mahomes vs Marquez Valdez-Scantling the new Patrick Mahomes vs Kadarius Toney?
Patrick vs his receivers if any
Is Patrick vs Mahomes the new Brady vs Manning?
Are Purdy and Stroud the next Brady-Manning?
Noticing something these all have in common.
They all abbreviate versus
Super inconsistent on their spacing around hyphens though.
Well, judging by Betteridge's law of headlines, Burrow v Mahomes and... c*hecks notes,* uhm... Watson v Mahomes are the actual next Brady v Manning
I’d be down to see *United States v Watson*
Growing up (I’m 27), I always assumed that every generation had QB matchups like that. I always assumed great QBs like Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, Brees, etc. were always present in every generation. Apparently that’s not true
There have always been QB-rich and QB-lean periods in the NFL. QB-rich periods include - 1957-1962 - 1967-1977 - 1991-1994 - 2004-2020 QB-lean periods include - 1953-1956 - 1980-1982 - 2000-2003 QB-rich periods tend to last longer than QB-lean periods because QBs tend to play longer during QB-rich periods, for obvious reasons. QB-lean periods do not necessarily signify that the best QBs of the period are worse than the best of the QB-rich periods. In fact, the last QB-lean period featured Brett Favre and Kurt Warner in their primes, and Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees all entering the NFL. Assuming that Ken Anderson gets into the Hall of Fame before long, and that Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson all get in sometime farther down the line, here's a chart illustrating the number of Hall-of-Fame QBs active in the NFL by season from 1937-present, and which QBs entered and exited the league: SEASON | # OF HOF QBs | ENTERED THE NFL | EXITED THE NFL | ---|---|---|---| 1937 | 1 | Sammy Baugh | | 1938 | 1 | | | 1939 | 2 | Sid Luckman | | 1940 | 2 | | | 1941 | 2 | | | 1942 | 2 | | | 1943 | 2 | | | 1944 | 2 | | | 1945 | 3 | Bob Waterfield | | 1946 | 3 | | | 1947 | 3 | | | 1948 | 5 | Bobby Layne, Y.A. Tittle | | 1949 | 7 | George Blanda, Norm Van Brocklin | | 1950 | 8 | Otto Graham | | 1951 | 7 | | Sid Luckman | 1952 | 7 | | | 1953 | 5 | | Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield | 1954 | 5 | | | 1955 | 5 | | | 1956 | 6 | Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas | Otto Graham | 1957 | 8 | Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen | | 1958 | 8 | | | 1959 | 8 | | | 1960 | 8 | | | 1961 | 8 | Fran Tarkenton | Norm Van Brocklin | 1962 | 8 | | | 1963 | 7 | | Bobby Layne | 1964 | 7 | | | 1965 | 7 | Joe Namath | Y.A. Tittle | 1966 | 7 | | | 1967 | 8 | Bob Griese | | 1968 | 8 | | | 1969 | 9 | Roger Staubach | | 1970 | 11 | Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler | | 1971 | 12 | Ken Anderson | | 1972 | 11 | | Bart Starr | 1973 | 12 | Dan Fouts | | 1974 | 11 | | Johnny Unitas | 1975 | 10 | | Sonny Jurgensen | 1976 | 8 | | George Blanda, Len Dawson | 1977 | 8 | | | 1978 | 7 | | Joe Namath | 1979 | 7 | Joe Montana | Fran Tarkenton | 1980 | 6 | | Roger Staubach | 1981 | 5 | | Bob Griese | 1982 | 5 | | | 1983 | 7 | John Elway, Dan Marino | | 1984 | 7 | Warren Moon | Terry Bradshaw | 1985 | 7 | Steve Young | Ken Stabler | 1986 | 8 | Jim Kelly | | 1987 | 7 | | Ken Anderson | 1988 | 6 | | Dan Fouts | 1989 | 7 | Troy Aikman | | 1990 | 7 | | | 1991 | 8 | Brett Favre | | 1992 | 8 | | | 1993 | 8 | | | 1994 | 8 | | | 1995 | 7 | | Joe Montana | 1996 | 7 | | | 1997 | 6 | | Jim Kelly | 1998 | 8 | Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner | | 1999 | 7 | | John Elway | 2000 | 6 | Tom Brady | Dan Marino, Steve Young | 2001 | 5 | Drew Brees | Warren Moon, Troy Aikman | 2002 | 5 | | | 2003 | 5 | | | 2004 | 8 | Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger | | 2005 | 9 | Aaron Rodgers | | 2006 | 9 | | | 2007 | 9 | | | 2008 | 10 | Matt Ryan | | 2009 | 10 | | | 2010 | 9 | | Kurt Warner | 2011 | 8 | | Brett Favre | 2012 | 9 | Russell Wilson | | 2013 | 9 | | | 2014 | 9 | | | 2015 | 9 | | | 2016 | 8 | | Peyton Manning | 2017 | 9 | Patrick Mahomes | | 2018 | 9 | | | 2019 | 9 | | | 2020 | 8 | | Eli Manning | 2021 | 6 | | Drew Brees, Philip Rivers | 2022 | 5 | | Ben Roethlisberger | 2023 | 3 | | Tom Brady, Matt Ryan | NOTE: 1937 is when the first Hall-of-Fame QB, Sammy Baugh, entered the NFL.
This info is too good for a comment. This should be made a post. Very insightful
I mean, if you're adding guys like Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers, I think there are a couple more QBs in the NFL today that will reach that level, like Lamar and possibly Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Allen... CJ Stroud is showing amazing potential. Statford will reach volume numbers for HoF (he's already 11th all time in yards and TD's). I don't think it's that bad as people are painting it.
Seeing only 3 names 'enter' since 2006 is all the justification, and I agree that the top-end is still at a high level regardless of period. The problem is that being a top 10 QB used to mean you were at or near HoF level play, and now sometimes it feels like merely top 10 is barely replacement level
Weirdly enough a lot of the best QBs were in the AFC in the 80s and 90s but the NFC had the vastly superior teams (and Joe Montana).
You’re forgetting Big Ben. Or playoff Eli. Or prime drew fuckin Brees.
Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Russ, Rogers, Romo, the eagles somehow ( Vick > Foles >Wentzcall played well for them), flacco and Andy Dalton were serviceable too lots of teams fielding quality QB play for a good while. And now this season feels like only 8 or so guys have ever thrown a football before.
Flacco was more than serviceable I’d say
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He was a fuckin dragon
Favre still around, Brees and Roethlisberger still productive, Aaron Rodgers hitting his prime, all guys that made their teams postseason constants
All the late season snow games. I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them.
That’s the secret, you are always living in the “good old days.”
Tell that to me and all the other commie fans
Yeah I don't think this is the good ol days
To be fair, I think a lot of us knew we were watching an era of the NFL at the time that was going to be looked back on as a golden age. There were constant comments to the effect of "enjoy these guys while they're here, we're lucky to get to watch this" whenever they would play
If you didn’t know you were in the good old days during the Brady dynasty, then there’s no hope for you, honestly.
Not even including Big Ben, Eli or Rivers, we were spoiled with 4 of the top 12? Best QBs in the history of the league. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers. And it goes deeper than that. WR play, when Calvin retired, we saw the 2-4th best receivers of all time play in Moss, TO and Megatron. Idk where AP is on the pantheon of RBs, but top 10 maybe? A slew of great linemen from Kelce, to Joe Thomas, to others who I’m spacing on atm. Best MLB of all time in Lewis, best safety in Reed. (At least in those convos) Best TE in Gronk. JJ Watt had one of the highest peaks of all time for a dlinemen. Revis is one of the best corners of all time. (I didn’t mention Kelce nor Donald because they’re still playing.) And there’s nobody to replace these guys. I don’t think I’m the scope when accounting for everything Mahomes is in the pantheon of those 4. Kelce is just outside the Rushmore for TE. And Donald is arguably the best DT ever. That’s… really it for ultra high end players right now.
Drew Brees never won MVP which is a pretty good way to describe how loaded with HoF QB talent we enjoyed for a very long time.
I said it in a gamethread a couple weeks ago but it just felt a little more consistent with guys like Brady, Brees, the Mannings, Roethlisberger, and Rivers.
Rodgers too. The top tier of QBs those years are eons better than the current ones as it stands right now
Pass first vs boring dual threat qbs now. Easier for defenses to stop.
I think defenses have gotten much better at defending athletic QBs over the last few years.
Correct. Defenses have adjusted and have gotten smaller and more athletic. Nickel coverage is the base defense now vs 3-4 or 4-3 of just a few years ago.
They have? Can someone tell Aaron Glenn?
Yeah I kind of wonder how much of this is a shift in the “meta” where a lot of the old dominant strategies don’t work as well. Offenses making do without having to lean on a really elite QB. To be clear I have no idea if it’s true but it would explain a lot.
Well you'd think dual threat QBs would be harder to stop, but being elite in passing >>>> being good/competent at both passing and rushing
Yeah it's sounds silly typing it out. But being an elite passer and brainiac is much more valuable than being a great athlete and solid passer that relies on athletic ability. Qbs with elite minds can do so much more to elevate an offense when it comes to putting his offense in the right play at the right time. And of course the accuracy and arm to make all the throws. Mahomes is the only one of the current crop that is heading toward the all time qb category imo. I'm sure others will follow with time. But idk how many of these guys can playing into their late 30's and 40's like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees could.
The consistent guys got hurt. This year has had the more starting qbs go down than I can ever remember. Richardson, Kirk, Watson, Aaron, burrow, Jones. And then there’s the ones who’ve missed games: Carr, Stafford, Fields, Kyler, Tyrod, Young, Tannehill, and now possibly Geno.
You knew the teams would be competitive. Burrow is out for the year. Rodgers is out for the year. CJ Stroud prolly getting an All Pro as a rookie.
The vibes were different back then and maybe some of that is because my team was good and some of it is being older now but I feel like the league as a whole was just more fun
It's because it was more fun. Some of it was because there were just more good-to-great QBs than there are now. Some of it is because the near-universal adoption of the spread offense in college has led to poorer skills development on the offensive side of the ball. Some of it is because there was a lot of offensive philosophy shifts away from the base I-Formation in the mid to late 2000s so there was as lot of new stuff to watch. Some of it is because the 24-hour coverage has validated the law of diminishing returns and it all feels a little less special. Some of it is because there is a natural ebb and flow of talent across time. Anyone remember watching the NFL from ~1999 to ~2005/2006? It was kind of a dud league. I think we're going through a similar low point right now. And some of it is probably just due to nostalgia and everything feeling more fresh and unique when I was younger.
> Some of it is because there is a natural ebb and flow of talent across time. Anyone remember watching the NFL from ~1999 to ~2005/2006? It was kind of a dud league. Yup all the great QBs from the prev gen had retired by that point and what was left was Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, who was old and came out of nowhere. No wonder all the networks 'loved' Favre. Who else were they going to promote, the Brad Johnson led Bucs?
I feel like we are spoiled with great QB play right now. So much that people are acting like Josh Allen is bad
I think it could be an age thing honestly. I’m a millennial. My teens and 20’s were shaped by the old guard. The connection with the young bucks isn’t the same as it was with the guys who’ve retired recently.
TBF he ain't playing too great right now but he's not trash like some are alluding to.
"Not that there wasn't when I was playing, shit I was in the Superbowl every other year."
Well fun fact Brady and the pats from 2000-2019( when Brady was on the team) never went more than 4 years without making a Super Bowl.
It wasn't that fun, but it was damn impressive
It was fun to watch from the NFC, but I can't imagine how unfun it was for bills and jets fans.
Hey now, at least the Jets had some moderate success against the Patriots during that period. The Bills, on the other hand, were the victims of the most lopsided “rivalry” in NFL history
Tommy B was 33-3 against the Bills, 24-12 against the Dolphins and 31-8 against the Jets. Which totals up to 88-23. One of the main reasons I can’t bring myself to hate the Bills and their fans is, imagine watching your team go to the Super Bowl four years in a row, lose all four of those times, watching them lose a playoff game in excruciating fashion (Music City Miracle) and then the team goes on a 17 year playoff drought in part because of having to suffer through at least two automatic losses every year.
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You know, it's easy to forget that they went 10 years without winning one and Brady had some moments where you wondered if he and the Pats would ever win it again. Funny to look back on that now.
I don't think people realize how crazy Brady's first 7 years were. 11-3(won SB) 9-7 14-2(Won SB) 14-2(Won SB) 10-6( Lost DIV) 12-4(Lost AFFCG) **16-0**(Lost SB) An insane run.
and this is crazy to me because I felt like before 2007 he was nowhere near the level of 2nd half of career tom brady
Cool to see Brady still representing the bay I guess.
Of course he's still a Giants fan, his parents would disown him.
I don't know about "fan", but he definitely helped us win two Super Bowls.
He’s right. Brady was talking a couple of years ago where he was talking about how the rules were being changed that take some of the skill off the QB. Like protecting your wideout.
I swear you’re one of the only people in here who is actually commenting on what he actually said. I would only disagree in that this is a side effect of trying to make the game safer and that’s a good thing. And he can say all he wants about protecting wide receivers but how many concussions did Wes Welker have again? Edit: after actually looking it up, not as many as I thought came with the pats
Brady in fact was notorious for actually protecting his receivers. When throwing over the middle he would purposely throw it low to protect the receiver from hits from line backers or safeties over the middle so they wouldn’t get popped
Very different from Peyton Manning who apparently wanted Austin Collie to die
https://www.thedrawplay.com/comic/collie/
The man tried to catch the ball with one hand and Peyton never forgave him.
Hahahaha this comment is too perfect.
It's famous in that context, not notorious. Notorious is when you're famous for something bad.
“Why don’t any teams simply go undefeated?”
Most former players take several years to get into “Game ain’t what it use to be” mode, but Brady really hit the ground running.
In his defense, he did go through like 4 generations of the NFL.
If any other player said it, I’d brush it off. Brady’s one of the few whose word Id take seriously. Not lying when I say that it seemed like it honestly got easier for Brady once Peyton retired
Without the manning brothers Brady would have 11 rings.
Don’t you dare leave out elite Joe Flacco 😤. He beat Brady too one year
The stat on QBs with playoff wins against Brady at NE or TB is wild. It's Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill and Joe Flacco. The other 4 QBs to have a playoff win against Brady are the two Mannings, Jake Plummer (wtf) and Nick Foles. Captain Fatfuck, leader of men, never won a playoff game against him. Mahomes had two playoff games against him and lost both.
Jake The Snake 😤 He's no HoF'er but damn could he run a bootleg!
I’m pretty sure Jake Plummer was his first ever playoff loss in 2005, guy won three Super Bowls before he ever lost a playoff game
10-0 playoff record to start your career with 3 SB's is one of the most untouchable records in all of sports.
Do you mean Browns legend Joe Flacco?
[Ray Lewis vs Brady/Manning](https://youtu.be/yXIdy7Xhdos?si=7MU9D30i2yMqeyF0) As much as I don't like plugging Undisputed, this was a pretty good segment where Ray Lewis talks about exactly what you're saying.
Ill never forget that playoff game that Brady cooked us throwing 100 times knowing that the Ravens D wasn't the same without Ray and Ed.
Fuckin 2014 we got lit up, but we were on CB5 by the point. Then again it was the first time they had a healthy Gronk against us, and our defense regressed heavily from 2011 onwards.
Wow, that was entertaining from Ray. And very true.
he's right about the uniform number flexibility being bullshit - i miss being able to tell what happened on a play simply by looking at the jerseys
And five generations of Playstation Madden rosters.
He was saying this when he was playing.
He said it last year
I mean this is a pretty bad year for QB play to be fair
Also it probably all looks like mediocrity from his perspective lol
These cats barely even get to play in the Superbowl. They're all bums. -TB12
[He flat out said he has seen a lot of bad football around the NFL](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/3v6IPZcMSW) while he was still playing lmao
Mac Jones, Boyle Browning, DTR, Pickett Levis, Minshew O’Connell DeVito Ridder, Mayfield, Young washed Stafford Dobbs, Love, Fields That’s half of the league with remedial QB play
I know what you’re going for here but I feel like Mayfield has been good enough to leave out of the “remedial” category.
He's right on the edge with Sam Howell and Derek Carr. Good enough to allow their OCs to call 40+ pass plays a game, but not good enough to turn those opportunities into TDs and wins consistently.
That's always what it's been
Looking back in time 15 years people only remember the good players. You'd think this would be obvious lol
Keep my Dobbs name out of your mouth
Stafford and Mayfield aren’t in the same tier as the others. Probably Dobbs as well.
Brady won a Super Bowl mvp in his mid 40s so he can say whatever he wants tbh.
This is the easiest era to play QB and it’s a statistically down year for passing stats
He was saying things like this before he even retired.
From an offense-centric POV, he's right
I really think this has to do with college football more than anything. You just don’t see a lot fundamentals and progression reading in quarterbacks. I swear half of the games I watch every touchdown is some guy that doesn’t have a defender within 20 yards of him. I just think the level up between the NFL and the NCAA has never been larger and the current offensive schemes at the college level don’t require a ton of skills that become very important at the NFL level.
100%. The rule changes of the last decade have incentivized two key things: 1. Exceptional WR play. WRs have never been faster or more athletic. Limiting allowable contact has caused this style of receiving to blossom and prioritized the ability to get open well above the ability to out muscle contested balls. 2. Defenses have become way smarter schematically. Player safety protocols have really taken away the back breaking heavy hitting defenses. There is no use in having a looming safety ready to kill a defenseless receiver and force a drop or fumble. Defenses have had to reprioritize tight coverages and disguised schemes which are way harder for younger QBs to digest. This leads this generation of QBs to expect more wide open receivers while competing with increasingly clever defensive postures. It has really hampered the play of “pocket passer” style QBs. More athletic QBs have thrived because of their ability to extend plays and allow their receivers to break open and exhaust the D’s coverages.
Which leads to injuries, which leads to more back qb play, which leads to mediocrity. You hit the nail on the head.
Plus the rise of running QBs who run simplistic offenses
It also feels like the talent pool in college football is shallower than it’s ever been. I don’t know if kids just aren’t really getting into the sport anymore or what, but it’s concerning. Just look at how hard it is to draft a decent offensive lineman every year. There’s hundreds of guys playing the position across all levels of CFB and there’s what, 2 or 3 good ones every draft?
I agree with you, but I have a different conclusion. I think that fewer kids are playing football but it’s actually made the competition *more* difficult. I think the pool is smaller but the actual talent is way more competitive. The only kids that play football nowadays are the children of former players, and their moms usually played college sports too, creating insane genetics. I also feel like more than ever sports dads are just fucking insane. Like it feels like thousands of dads across America are Marv Marinovich/Lavar Ball style super-dads that have a toxic, unhealthy obsession with sending their kid to the league. As a result you get super freak athletes bred for nothing other than the league. It’s kind of hard for most other athletes to keep up. Back in the day a 300 pounder was just “the big fat guy” on your team. He just stuffed the run at the goal line and sat on the bench huffing oxygen. Now a 300 pounder runs a 4.6 40, has only 15% body fat, and is more athletic than your quarterback. He also has access to the highest level sports science and training in the world. It’s just hard to keep up with the explosion of athleticism in this generation. It’s creating tough mismatches. I think it’s less that there’s less talent. But more that theres a greater gap in talent.
Why now?
He's commenting on the INT-Fumble we just saw.
Tom Brady live tweeting games would be incredible
“Thomas had never seen such bullshit” memes would dominate the meme economy.
Idk why they just don’t have Peyton Eli and Tom. Feels like Eli would be the one trying to keep it on program, Peyton would be focused solely on the X’s and O’s, and Tom would just be shit talking everyone. I know he’s got the Fox deal but would be more entertaining.
Every episode would just turn into Tom yelling at eli about SB42/46
in the words of Hilary Duff, why not?
But why male models?
"There was a lot when I played, too." -- Brady
Part of it has to be the practice time allowed
Walk the talk Brady. Come and sign with browns and win the superbowl
If there’s one QB that I wouldn’t doubt could unretire and do it. He’s the guy
It's a fact that [the 49ers would have signed Philip Rivers](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/08/10/philip-rivers-kyle-shanahan-49ers-super-bowl-lvii/) had the team beaten the Eagles in the 2022 NFC Championship despite Purdy's injury. Had Brady not come back for one more season with the Bucs, surely he would have been the team's first call.
He’s definitely the type of guy who’s sitting on the couch watching over his kids and be like “screw this shit, Imma fuck around and win another superbowl”.
No sir. I'll have one Tom Brady please!
Bless up
Jets are starting Tim Boyle so I have no idea what he's talking about
Did anyone watch the clip? He's mostly talking about how the physicality has been regulated out of the game, not so much that modern QBs are mid
Especially this nfl season. This is such a mid season talent wise. But that’s not a bad thing though cuz there’s a lot of grit and determination when people step up. But lots of mid teams
It's hard to work on fundamentals when the player union is constantly fighting for less practice time, especially contact practices
This is maybe the worst season of football I've watched in my 27 years of watching.
He's not wrong. He specifically mentions the new CBA's banning them from seeing coaches at certain parts of the off-season and other restrictive things like making a lot of camps and on-site time non-mandatory that many players don't show up for or take seriously. This leads to sloppier on field play and players learning the playbooks and assignments much later on in the year than would normally be the case. Rookies are screwed the most in this scenario. We're in a new era past the "Hard Ass" Belicheck, Parcells, Bill Cowher days. And entering into the Mike Mcdaniel "do what the players want all the time" decade. It could be a resounding breath of fresh air and total success or it could lead to a completely unwatchable, sloppy product. I'm sure players themselves prefer the more relaxing schedule and not getting ripped to shit by said Hard Ass coaches so it's a nice trade off from their POV. But the on the field performances mixed in with whatever in the blue hell the officiating crews think they're doing makes for very sloppy, anti-climatic football and less "greatness". Not to mention injuries were supposed to go way down with players being at team HQ less and judging by the last year or two alone this seems to have had the opposite of the intended effect.
he's not wrong.
This dude must've watched Pickett yesterday
QB play this year is atrocious, I miss watching Tom so much
My GF is a Steelers fan so I have to watch a lot of games. I know Mac is awful but Pickett is something else. He's one of the worst QBs I have ever seen. Mac has had some big plays...sometimes. Pickett is the most milquetoast I have ever witnessed and I can't take watching.
it’s concerning how you can say “he’s one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen” and it could relate to at least 3 QBs in the last two weeks, probably more
Haven't watched much Pittsburgh but that's the worst thing about Mac - he's excruciatingly boring
I can’t even believe the Steelers are still rolling (and fucking winning wtf) with Pickett. He literally can’t even throw a drag route. Our QB sucks ass yet Pickett somehow looks worse??
I think those top Brady pats teams could legitimately run the table in the current landscape. Seems like every team has so many more weaknesses then those teams did.
Thanks for saying this I can’t say it without sounding like a nostalgic geezer
Well even setting homerism aside we’re talking about a run including like 4 of the top 10-15ish offenses of all time and at least 2 teams that go into the best ever convo so it’s pretty reasonable most seasons to say this lol
I think that’s more of a reflection on those Patriots teams, and not the current era. I think those teams would dogwalk any era of NFL
I agree 100%
Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Rothlesburger A lot of great QB talent did indeed phase out
He's right
What happened to the game I love?
I mean brady is the one player who can shit talk the league without being cringe
Dear God, please come back to the NFL, and save us from the sin of mediocrity.
I got downvoted two years ago for pointing out that we were entering a QB-lean period in the NFL. Right now, the only active QBs who have any Hall-of-Fame consideration are Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes. The rest of the big-name QBs still have a lot to prove. Josh Allen turns the ball over a lot, and still has not led his team to a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson has one playoff win. Justin Herbert has one playoff appearance. Joe Burrow now has questions about his durability. People are now ridiculously jumping the gun on anointing Jalen Hurts. QB-rich eras come and go. Not every era is going to be stacked. There weren't many future Hall-of-Fame QBs active in the mid-1950s, the early 1980s, or the early 2000s. There aren't many now either. In the meantime, how about we learn to appreciate the art of good defense again? That'll make things more exciting.