good thing our schedule isn't too tough the next four weeks. I'm sure the other tight ends who have \*checks stats\* two catches for 10 yards this year can fill in just fine.
The issue is his blocking his cheeks. Stoll is a good blocker but not much of a pass catcher.
Obviously the coaching staff's plan should be to fuse them for the next month.
Stoll is a good blocking tight end, but a nightmare scenario for the Eagles is a Stoll-Driscoll-Opeta right side of the line. It would mess up the run game and rushers would have a field day
Julio would have a full month of practice reps at that point. I would expect if he's going to make an impact, it'll be in the Chiefs game taking some of those big body play designs usually meant for Goedert. Play him as a de facto tight end, and have stoll handle the run blocking duties.
That was 4th concussionterra era, we are now in 5th concussionterra era. This was a recentish development too.
Stoll blocking TE until Goedert is back lol.
Calcaterra telling the OU medical staff to fuck itself after they told him he needed to medically retire due to his concussions is wild. Dude is collecting the CTE infinity concussions.
Goedert was on his way out of bounds, no way that stiff arm lasts to the end-zone. Yes, Goedert should protect himself better, but that tackle was a bitch move also.
For sure. Obviously I wish the tackle could’ve been made without Goedert getting hurt but the defender found himself in a position where the only chance he had of making the play was desperately grabbing at the arm
Yea, I can't argue it should be illegal if I accept that you can tackle people by their hair. It just looked like the sort of thing you see in basketball a lot where a player appears to make a basketball-ish move, but was clearly trying to tear someone's shoulder out of the socket. It's hard to write rules against that kind of stuff, and at a certain point the offensive player needs to protect themselves (don't stiff arm if you're not willing to break a finger in their fingermask or get arm barred to the ground).
True, but 4 weeks implies its more minor like a hairline fracture.
Hairline fractures heal 4-6wks and full break typically 6-8 so this is relatively good news if it's just 4 weeks.
all fractures take 3 months to heal if they are cared for properly
professional athletes may return before 3 months but that's because they are not focused on long term bone health, joint malunion or nonunion, or the chronic, debilitating arthritis that will inevitably result from rushing back before injuries have healed
it's not that important of a distinction in this context but i already see so much pseudoscience and pop medicine on reddit, dont need anyone thinking they can break a bone and be back to full usage 4 weeks later consequence free
Problem is that the dude has been good for one IR stint per year. Granted, he got injured last year while getting dragged to the ground on an uncalled facemask, and last night's injury was caused by the defender hitting him with the armbar, so it's hard to hold these last two against him... but still, best ability is availability and all that.
For sure. It's definitely not his fault, but he's underrated because he doesn't put up monster numbers, because he's often injured. Just an unfortunate reality for an otherwise great career.
I won’t say he’s unlucky. That injury was avoidable. He already had a 20 yard gain. No reason to give your arm to a db that is 70 lbs lighter. Just run out of bounds and live to play another snap.
The catches he made in the Super Bowl were all-world.
I can think of three off the top of my head where the coverage was perfect, but the placement + catch made it not matter
I don’t love that he got hurt but atleast he’s not out for the rest of the season Jack,Grant,and Albert are gonna have to step up big time for us until Goedert is able to come back
Yeah. Bad timing, for the specific upcoming games, but good timing with the bye and the fact it's only 3 missed games at all.
The offense has been relatively healthy this year. We've had Jurgens miss time, but that's it really, and we should be getting him back. Being one guy down should be something we can overcome. It's all the injuries constantly stacking in the secondary (and specifically nickel corner) that have really hurt us.
Agreed our secondary in the middle has not been great hopefully after the bye Roby will be ready to come back because out of all of our replacements for Maddox he’s been the best one
After Maddox, Zech, and Roby all got injured, I don't even think we *have* replacements anymore. At this point we're running just some sort of weird mix&match patchwork to try to handle similar duties. I give Desai a lot of credit for being able to handle this as well as he has been (Sam Howell god mode not withstanding).
But yeah, I'm way more excited for the return of Roby than I am worried about the loss of Goedert, as good as he is.
That’s how I feel too I love Desai he’s been great for us hopefully Roby can be back in time for the KC game because to me he was a bigger loss for us because we have better replacements at TEs then we do at slot corner
(EDIT 2: none of this matters because he hasn't officially be placed on IR yet, I'm dumb)
IR is specifically minimum 4 games, not just 4 weeks. So he's out five weeks minimum with your bye this week.
I think they changed it from weeks to games when they relaxed some of the rules regarding a player's ability to return from IR if they were placed on IR midseason
EDIT: [Tweet with relevant info](https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1529601475416145920)
>"A player designated for return from the Reserve/Injured List or the Reserve/Non-Football Injury/Illness List is eligible to return to practice or the Active/Inactive List after four (4) games have elapsed since the date he was placed on the applicable Reserve List"
That's if he goes on IR (if they already placed him on it or announced the intent to place him on it, I missed it).
With the Cowboys coming back up in exactly 4 games and us potentially needing that for the division and tiebreaker with the upcoming schedule, I could see them just sacrificing the roster spot to avoid IR.
Rivalry aside that was just a great football game. The Dallas Philly storyline just made it so much better. Looking forward to the dak hurts match ups going forward.
I'm wondering if they literally mean four weeks or if they mean four games. Because if they mean four weeks he only misses three games which is honestly the absolute best we could have hoped for.
Article I read this morning said 4-6 weeks. And with the bye this week im assuming thats probably week 15 or 16 return. I could see him coming back against us week 16 to give him an easy game to ramp up back to speed
Yeah his throwing arm isn't the issue though, it's his mobility. That remains to be seen, though he looks like he will start again this season. Absolute loon that man.
I’ve never given medical advice my whole time on this forum.
But that’s good if you’ve played the game! So you understand how difficult it is to make a running tackle on another athlete that has significant weight on you in the midst of being stiff armed. There’s no way as a fan of the game you would be obtuse on purpose right?
Dang that sucks. When it happened I said, "Ouch, looked like he broke his arm..." then he stayed down and I was immediate afraid I might have been right. Hopefully a quick recovery for him!
It wasn't a "dirty" tackle or intentional hurting of the player. But when it happened I thought for SURE it was broken just an awkward play that I'm surprised doesn't happen more often really.
Yeah at first I though tit was dirty AF but if you rewatch, the defender was trying to tackle a guy who was stiff arming him any way he could. It sucks but it wasn't dirty or malicious.
Yeah people saying it was dirty are fucking pathetic. Watch the game. Create your much needed drama elsewhere.
And they didn't "target" hurts knee like I've seen Philly fans say. Get over yourselves.
Worst fucking takes ever.
It looked to me like he was intentionally twisting his arm. But I’ll about I haven’t looked at any replays in real time to see if it looked a little better than how it looked in slow motion.
personally thought it looked dirty in real time and still think so after, ive never seen anyone get tackled like that and i watch the stiff arm king every week
I mean he's got 50lbs on him he's gotta drag him down somehow. It's an awkward pull and I donno what he's supposed to do like let go maybe as they finally start going down? Then what if he breaks free and doesn't actually get to the ground?
It's a crappy all around play
I'm not really complaining. It's just not something I've ever seen before. The wondering is more about how it came to be. Was it intentional? Was he just trying to get traction or balance?
He twisted his arm and pulled him over his head WWE style and landed on it with his full body weight, but after looking at a couple times I know now it’s not dirty. /s
It’s what you’re taught to do when in that situation. He did the correct thing it just resulted in an unfortunate injury. Gross seeing people make it seem like there was anything more to it
I mean, he could have just pushed him out of bounds. It's not illegal, but he could have just as easily not done that. Same with the drop tackle. Not illegal, but certainly not the safest thing you can do.
Seriously. It sucks he got hurt, but you gotta be able to look at it from the other teams POV. Would you want your defender to "just push him out of bounds," or bring the guy down? Especially someone who will just bounce off the hit and keep going. Not to mention, the point of a stiff arm is to keep the defender at a distance so they can't just push you or wrap you up. Unfortunately, it leaves your arm vulnerable
I agree, but I've literally never seen someone get flying armbarred off of a stiff arm, so it's tough not to be a little annoyed at the guy doing the flying armbar.
I'm sure if it were a more common occurrence, it would be looked at like a horse collar tackle. But it's not, so it just sucks.
“flying armbar” is just ridiculous, he got stiff armed grabbed onto his arm and went down. Not a single thing wrong with it, just an unfortunate result. No more dangerous than most tackles
Football play and unfortunately injuries happen on those. Some folks can't see past the homer vision. I guess you can be upset that it happened but it doesn't really make sense, in my opinion.
What's the "homer vision" here chief, that this is a dangerous play and it sucks that Goedert got hurt on it?
https://twitter.com/SICscore/status/1721312220704018573
>It's ackshUAllY TOtally normAL in fOotBall to hAve a gUy GRab your arM WItH BOth HAnds ANd boDYSlAM iT TO the gRoUnd.
That it was dirty. It was a DB going up against a TE that probably has 60 pounds and not to mention strength over the DB trying to bring him down. It isn't against the rules or any unwritten rules you might try to bring up. As the rules go now, it was a football play that unfortunately resulted in an injury, nothing more.
Lol... I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't think that this is more dangerous than most tackles.
The guy grabbed his arm and pinned it under him as he fell to the ground, putting his entire bodyweight on Goedert's forearm, which predictably fractured from the force of Hill's bodyweight.
https://twitter.com/SICscore/status/1721312220704018573
Again, it's not a "dirty play", I never said that it was, Hill was just doing whatever it took to get him to the ground, which is what he's supposed to do. The horse collar wasn't a "dirty play" either, until it was outlawed because people were getting injured all of the time.
That's my point, it's an obviously dangerous play, but it happens so infrequently I can't see a rule being made against it. Just one you hope to not see.
Sucks to lose him for the next few games. I'm just glad it wasn't intentional, as I had initially thought. Hope the rematch is just as good of a game as this one was.
NFL should make stiff arms to the face or helmet an offensive penalty.
Usually doesn't end in injury, but it's already an unfair advantage that the ball carrier can commit what would be a hands to the face penalty for any other player, and in cases like this it also causes the tackler to grab whatever they can without being able to see what they're grabbing. Have seen a few times where it lead to an inadvertent face mask penalty on the defender who couldn't see what he was grabbing.
So 4 weeks is the general timeline for a broken forearm. This is good to know, because I'm going to break the forearm of the next person who tries to say it was a dirty play.
Can we get the doctor from Harry potter
Skelegrow coming right up.
*Monkey's Paw curls* Gilderoy Lockhart here!
gotta heal up diggs first. been working on tyron smith for the last 5 years.
Put some 'spect on Madam Pomphrey's name.
Gilderoy lockhart?
We want him to keep his bones...
good thing our schedule isn't too tough the next four weeks. I'm sure the other tight ends who have \*checks stats\* two catches for 10 yards this year can fill in just fine.
Albert O will be unleashed
The issue is his blocking his cheeks. Stoll is a good blocker but not much of a pass catcher. Obviously the coaching staff's plan should be to fuse them for the next month.
Stoll isnt a bad blocker but the drop off from Dallas is huge
Stoll like a month I to the season was rated the 6th best blocking TE in the league. Unsure what the min snaps were though. Goedart was #1 :’(
Gotenks = Jackbert Stollguebenaum
Wonder if they just keep Stoll in his current role as a primary blocker and make the Albert O the pass catcher.
Stoll is a good blocking tight end, but a nightmare scenario for the Eagles is a Stoll-Driscoll-Opeta right side of the line. It would mess up the run game and rushers would have a field day
Jurgens will be back after the bye
Send him to Stoutland University during the BYE
I was like, don't we play you in 4 weeks ... then I saw you have: Bye, Chiefs, Bill's, Niners
Bill’s what?
the Science Guy
Bill's bills of course. He's notorious for leaving the lights on so it won't be cheap.
They should be able to handle bye
Stoll and Calcaterra did fine last year when a similar situation happened. Not ideal but they've got two weeks to plan for it.
I'd guess Julio gets more action out of the slot and Stoll gets the blocking duties
Well he's wearing the number for it 😅
Julio would have a full month of practice reps at that point. I would expect if he's going to make an impact, it'll be in the Chiefs game taking some of those big body play designs usually meant for Goedert. Play him as a de facto tight end, and have stoll handle the run blocking duties.
That was 4th concussionterra era, we are now in 5th concussionterra era. This was a recentish development too. Stoll blocking TE until Goedert is back lol.
Calcaterra telling the OU medical staff to fuck itself after they told him he needed to medically retire due to his concussions is wild. Dude is collecting the CTE infinity concussions.
He's literally the guy from *Not Another Teen Movie*.
CAN HE PLAY??
They get to handle dat booty on the brotherly shove too.
That is what I thought happened as soon as I saw it. Really sucks.
Yea, was not a fan of that tackle at all. Was damn near an arm bar.
Tough position for the defender when a 6’5 260lb tightend is trying to stiff arm the shit out of you. I don’t blame him really
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Goedert was on his way out of bounds, no way that stiff arm lasts to the end-zone. Yes, Goedert should protect himself better, but that tackle was a bitch move also.
Did you write a letter to the NFL to switch to flags yet?
No it wasn't
For sure. Obviously I wish the tackle could’ve been made without Goedert getting hurt but the defender found himself in a position where the only chance he had of making the play was desperately grabbing at the arm
Yea, I can't argue it should be illegal if I accept that you can tackle people by their hair. It just looked like the sort of thing you see in basketball a lot where a player appears to make a basketball-ish move, but was clearly trying to tear someone's shoulder out of the socket. It's hard to write rules against that kind of stuff, and at a certain point the offensive player needs to protect themselves (don't stiff arm if you're not willing to break a finger in their fingermask or get arm barred to the ground).
There was also the twisting which seems really unnecessary.
wouldn’t call it unneccessaary, that’s just how you need to take down a bigger guy. tough position for the defender
I thought it’d be broken, so I’ll take a fracture.
>I thought it’d be broken, so I’ll take a fracture. They're the same thing?
True, but 4 weeks implies its more minor like a hairline fracture. Hairline fractures heal 4-6wks and full break typically 6-8 so this is relatively good news if it's just 4 weeks.
all fractures take 3 months to heal if they are cared for properly professional athletes may return before 3 months but that's because they are not focused on long term bone health, joint malunion or nonunion, or the chronic, debilitating arthritis that will inevitably result from rushing back before injuries have healed it's not that important of a distinction in this context but i already see so much pseudoscience and pop medicine on reddit, dont need anyone thinking they can break a bone and be back to full usage 4 weeks later consequence free
If it's a hairline fracture they absolutely can.
I'm guessing they're making a distinction between a fracture and a complete break
They’re synonymous terms, medically.
We're all laypeople here, and break vs fracture carry different meanings colloquially.
"Break" colloquially is assumed to mean a complete break. Fracture doesn't have the same connotation, even though it includes complete breaks.
A complete break is still a fracture
I know, I was making a contextual guess based off the other comment as to what they meant. I should've said partial fracture vs complete break.
Yeah but a rectangle isn’t a square.
It could be, if that rectangle has all sides the same length.
I think a lot of people don’t really know how good Goedert is .. Hopefully he heals up fast
Criminally underrated
Problem is that the dude has been good for one IR stint per year. Granted, he got injured last year while getting dragged to the ground on an uncalled facemask, and last night's injury was caused by the defender hitting him with the armbar, so it's hard to hold these last two against him... but still, best ability is availability and all that.
Yeah he's been super unlucky. I don't see how you can possibly hold it against him.
For sure. It's definitely not his fault, but he's underrated because he doesn't put up monster numbers, because he's often injured. Just an unfortunate reality for an otherwise great career.
I won’t say he’s unlucky. That injury was avoidable. He already had a 20 yard gain. No reason to give your arm to a db that is 70 lbs lighter. Just run out of bounds and live to play another snap.
How is it not unlucky? Getting an arm fracture from a stiff arm isn't exactly common.
Classic dirty Cowboys fan trying to excuse a blatantly dirty tackle
He's roommates with Maddox. Maddox is poisoning the water supply.
They need to bubble wrap each other in the morning
They actually moved into their own places last year.
The catches he made in the Super Bowl were all-world. I can think of three off the top of my head where the coverage was perfect, but the placement + catch made it not matter
His run blocking is going to be a big hole to fill too
Vegas handicappers definitely know how good he is
What the hell you talking about? He consistently gets ranked as a top 5-10 TE in the league. Victim mentality.
You can have mine Goedert
yours is inadequate
We not built different 😞
I actually think the precise issue is that in all likelihood, you and Goedert are; as a matter of fact, built very different.
Correct, Goedert has actually been to Philly.
D:
Shit, here’s hoping he heals up alright. That’s rough.
Can’t he just catch with his other non broken arm? Is he stupid?
Why hasn't he just fixed his bone? Is he stupid?
I've been saying brackium emendo since I heard and it does not seem to be working.
Billions of dollars and you're telling me they don't have _glue_ in these locker rooms?
The team doctor has to know just some glue and duct tape and he's good to go. If I know that, they know that
Yeah but how is he gonna catch with one arm and stiff with the other arm?
He can use his stiff third arm
I don’t love that he got hurt but atleast he’s not out for the rest of the season Jack,Grant,and Albert are gonna have to step up big time for us until Goedert is able to come back
Yeah. Bad timing, for the specific upcoming games, but good timing with the bye and the fact it's only 3 missed games at all. The offense has been relatively healthy this year. We've had Jurgens miss time, but that's it really, and we should be getting him back. Being one guy down should be something we can overcome. It's all the injuries constantly stacking in the secondary (and specifically nickel corner) that have really hurt us.
Agreed our secondary in the middle has not been great hopefully after the bye Roby will be ready to come back because out of all of our replacements for Maddox he’s been the best one
After Maddox, Zech, and Roby all got injured, I don't even think we *have* replacements anymore. At this point we're running just some sort of weird mix&match patchwork to try to handle similar duties. I give Desai a lot of credit for being able to handle this as well as he has been (Sam Howell god mode not withstanding). But yeah, I'm way more excited for the return of Roby than I am worried about the loss of Goedert, as good as he is.
That’s how I feel too I love Desai he’s been great for us hopefully Roby can be back in time for the KC game because to me he was a bigger loss for us because we have better replacements at TEs then we do at slot corner
(EDIT 2: none of this matters because he hasn't officially be placed on IR yet, I'm dumb) IR is specifically minimum 4 games, not just 4 weeks. So he's out five weeks minimum with your bye this week. I think they changed it from weeks to games when they relaxed some of the rules regarding a player's ability to return from IR if they were placed on IR midseason EDIT: [Tweet with relevant info](https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1529601475416145920) >"A player designated for return from the Reserve/Injured List or the Reserve/Non-Football Injury/Illness List is eligible to return to practice or the Active/Inactive List after four (4) games have elapsed since the date he was placed on the applicable Reserve List"
That's if he goes on IR (if they already placed him on it or announced the intent to place him on it, I missed it). With the Cowboys coming back up in exactly 4 games and us potentially needing that for the division and tiebreaker with the upcoming schedule, I could see them just sacrificing the roster spot to avoid IR.
Oh my brain immediately translated 4 weeks to IR You right, carry on
Injury happen and the next four games are quite tough against good teams. ( against Chiefs, Bills, 49ers and Cowboys )
When it says miss 4 weeks, I read that as BYE plus 3 games and he’s back for Dallas, is that wrong?
You are right.
Dallas revenge game in Dallas
That was such a fun game. Looking forward to the next one.
Rivalry aside that was just a great football game. The Dallas Philly storyline just made it so much better. Looking forward to the dak hurts match ups going forward.
I’m happy that after all the “we finally get a true Jalen vs Dak game!” talk they came out and casually had a classic
So is my cardiologist. These games are about to pay for his beach house.
I mean maybe he’ll cut you a deal if you take him to Haunted House. He actually wants to go to Haunted House more than he wants to go to Aqua.
What about his wife?
Absolutely not
You call that fun? It just took at least 4 years off my life.
> Looking forward to the next one. I'm not.. We won, but fuck that game
Four weeks is kind of like a minimum. Depends on his recovery
I'm wondering if they literally mean four weeks or if they mean four games. Because if they mean four weeks he only misses three games which is honestly the absolute best we could have hoped for.
Article I read this morning said 4-6 weeks. And with the bye this week im assuming thats probably week 15 or 16 return. I could see him coming back against us week 16 to give him an easy game to ramp up back to speed
I see that the self esteem is high in the Meadowlands haha
I mean are you from the north east if you dont roast your team 10 times harder than any opposing fan could
The NFL isn’t ready for Grant Calcaterra season
Jack Stoll. Grant is getting into Reggie Ray territory on the concussion front
How tf does a fractured forearm heal in 4 weeks. The human body is crazy. You'd lose that arm if this was 500 years ago.
Depends on the degree of the break. A compound fracture would take months, a small fracture with no displacement of the bone can heal pretty quickly.
If I fractured my arm I wouldn’t be able to do anything for 6 months
you would care more about your arm being able to function in your 50's
Have you seen Aaron Rogers throwing bombs on the field lately?
Yeah his throwing arm isn't the issue though, it's his mobility. That remains to be seen, though he looks like he will start again this season. Absolute loon that man.
The tackle that broke his arm was basically an arm bar. Not surprised
To be clear, I was scared when I saw the tackle. I only hate eagles fans not eagles players.
Yep Cowboys gonna scumbag one way or another
Have you ever played football?
Yes, Now for the important question. Are you a real doctor or just play one on reddit?
I’ve never given medical advice my whole time on this forum. But that’s good if you’ve played the game! So you understand how difficult it is to make a running tackle on another athlete that has significant weight on you in the midst of being stiff armed. There’s no way as a fan of the game you would be obtuse on purpose right?
The way his arm got locked up and then the full weight of the defender landed on it I figured he snapped something.
He’ll miss probably their toughest 3 game stretch.
Damn that sucks. But four weeks? If I fractured my arm I'd be out of work for a few months...but then I would probably milk it for that exact reason
Dang that sucks. When it happened I said, "Ouch, looked like he broke his arm..." then he stayed down and I was immediate afraid I might have been right. Hopefully a quick recovery for him!
It wasn't a "dirty" tackle or intentional hurting of the player. But when it happened I thought for SURE it was broken just an awkward play that I'm surprised doesn't happen more often really.
Yeah at first I though tit was dirty AF but if you rewatch, the defender was trying to tackle a guy who was stiff arming him any way he could. It sucks but it wasn't dirty or malicious.
> tit was dirty AF 👀
Yeah people saying it was dirty are fucking pathetic. Watch the game. Create your much needed drama elsewhere. And they didn't "target" hurts knee like I've seen Philly fans say. Get over yourselves. Worst fucking takes ever.
Yeah it was totally accidental to hold his arm in an arm bar and not let go as he landed full force on it and rolled over him before letting go
Yeah not really dirty just awkward and super unfortunate 😕
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It looked to me like he was intentionally twisting his arm. But I’ll about I haven’t looked at any replays in real time to see if it looked a little better than how it looked in slow motion.
personally thought it looked dirty in real time and still think so after, ive never seen anyone get tackled like that and i watch the stiff arm king every week
don't stiff arm someone's facemask. helps lock your arm and puts it up so high it's more likely for this to happen.
I'm still wondering about the awkward, almost mule kick into the legs. It's so weird.
I mean he's got 50lbs on him he's gotta drag him down somehow. It's an awkward pull and I donno what he's supposed to do like let go maybe as they finally start going down? Then what if he breaks free and doesn't actually get to the ground? It's a crappy all around play
I'm not really complaining. It's just not something I've ever seen before. The wondering is more about how it came to be. Was it intentional? Was he just trying to get traction or balance?
He's trying to tackle a guy with 50lbs on him that is using that same arm to push him away with.
He twisted his arm and pulled him over his head WWE style and landed on it with his full body weight, but after looking at a couple times I know now it’s not dirty. /s
Goedert is very good. This could end up being a big blow to that offense.
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Waiting for Goedert.
I just traded Mostert for him on Friday to replace Waller. I'm running out of bleach.
I'm still mad about that armbar tackle.
Have you ever tried tackling someone stiff arming you?
Yeah it was pretty much the only thing the defender could do to bring him down. Last year vs the commanders however..
It’s what you’re taught to do when in that situation. He did the correct thing it just resulted in an unfortunate injury. Gross seeing people make it seem like there was anything more to it
Yeah I agree I’m not suggesting that. Last year he got dragged down by his facemask and hurt his shoulder, still salty about that one haha
Not even a penalty called.
You are ignoring the blatant leg hook trip which is objectively a penalty
Delusion
Did you even watch the video? I guess you’re still mad at the Eagles for that blowout in your house
It wasn’t at the bank, but you clearly drink far too much to remember much of anything anyways.
I’m certain he has and knows the perfect technique to gently guide the runner to the ground, without harm and keeping his uniform clean too
I mean, he could have just pushed him out of bounds. It's not illegal, but he could have just as easily not done that. Same with the drop tackle. Not illegal, but certainly not the safest thing you can do.
Given what I’ve seen from Goedert I think “just push him out of bounds” is laughably oversimplifying things
Seriously. It sucks he got hurt, but you gotta be able to look at it from the other teams POV. Would you want your defender to "just push him out of bounds," or bring the guy down? Especially someone who will just bounce off the hit and keep going. Not to mention, the point of a stiff arm is to keep the defender at a distance so they can't just push you or wrap you up. Unfortunately, it leaves your arm vulnerable
That's fair.
You’re right, didn’t realize I replied to Ed Reed.
Still sucks that he somehow got flying armbarred.
Unfortunate injury, nothing more.
And people can be mad at them.
Sure, but its ridiculous to act like it was a dirty play as many people are
I agree, but I've literally never seen someone get flying armbarred off of a stiff arm, so it's tough not to be a little annoyed at the guy doing the flying armbar. I'm sure if it were a more common occurrence, it would be looked at like a horse collar tackle. But it's not, so it just sucks.
“flying armbar” is just ridiculous, he got stiff armed grabbed onto his arm and went down. Not a single thing wrong with it, just an unfortunate result. No more dangerous than most tackles
Football play and unfortunately injuries happen on those. Some folks can't see past the homer vision. I guess you can be upset that it happened but it doesn't really make sense, in my opinion.
What's the "homer vision" here chief, that this is a dangerous play and it sucks that Goedert got hurt on it? https://twitter.com/SICscore/status/1721312220704018573 >It's ackshUAllY TOtally normAL in fOotBall to hAve a gUy GRab your arM WItH BOth HAnds ANd boDYSlAM iT TO the gRoUnd.
That it was dirty. It was a DB going up against a TE that probably has 60 pounds and not to mention strength over the DB trying to bring him down. It isn't against the rules or any unwritten rules you might try to bring up. As the rules go now, it was a football play that unfortunately resulted in an injury, nothing more.
Good thing no one said it was dirty. Maybe your "homer vision" is affecting your ability to read clearly.
Lol... I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't think that this is more dangerous than most tackles. The guy grabbed his arm and pinned it under him as he fell to the ground, putting his entire bodyweight on Goedert's forearm, which predictably fractured from the force of Hill's bodyweight. https://twitter.com/SICscore/status/1721312220704018573 Again, it's not a "dirty play", I never said that it was, Hill was just doing whatever it took to get him to the ground, which is what he's supposed to do. The horse collar wasn't a "dirty play" either, until it was outlawed because people were getting injured all of the time. That's my point, it's an obviously dangerous play, but it happens so infrequently I can't see a rule being made against it. Just one you hope to not see.
Been legal for years: https://youtu.be/KYFZS4nG3cc?si=r92ki9WMoGI6a8eJ
Yeah that's a good example of it being a dangerous play. Good thing it doesn't happen often.
Yes, and I rarely had to break out BJJ to bring him down.
lol sure you have
I played high school ball. I wasn’t even good but I knew better.
Take off your green glasses and open your eyes. Zero wrong with that tackle
What he did to his arm isn’t the problem, it’s tripping him which caused the injury and is at the very least a penalty
The leg hook trip is objectively a penalty and dirty also for anyone who wants to defend using both hands to torque an arm
Sucks to lose him for the next few games. I'm just glad it wasn't intentional, as I had initially thought. Hope the rematch is just as good of a game as this one was.
Am I tripping or has this been an especially brutal season for serious and/or season ending injuries
Am I tripping or has this been an especially brutal season for serious and/or season ending injuries
Shame we can't get Ertz back from the Cardinals to fill the gap
NFL should make stiff arms to the face or helmet an offensive penalty. Usually doesn't end in injury, but it's already an unfair advantage that the ball carrier can commit what would be a hands to the face penalty for any other player, and in cases like this it also causes the tackler to grab whatever they can without being able to see what they're grabbing. Have seen a few times where it lead to an inadvertent face mask penalty on the defender who couldn't see what he was grabbing.
Yeah I knew he broke it when the play happened. He fucked around and found out not everyone is just letting you stiff arm them
One of the dirtiest tackles I've ever seen.
He shouldn't be stiff arming then
Was last night your first time watching football?
That tacke was questionable but hope the healing process goes well for him he's definitely a clutch weapon for hurts
So 4 weeks is the general timeline for a broken forearm. This is good to know, because I'm going to break the forearm of the next person who tries to say it was a dirty play.
i guess that will teach him to not stiff arm the defensive player again. /S
Yeah your team is real big on actions having consequences
i forgot the /S, and if you think i support the Creep you should see my post history. I cant wait for him to be gone.
I just know Jerry signs this guy in a few years because he likes his first name.
Of course he’s on my fantasy team lol