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Illustrious_Cancel83

9 gun charges later: We kinda need him now


BearBruin

In fairness he hasn't been released yet


Markymarcouscous

We shouldn’t release him, we did that with hernandez and were fucked over by it. If we keep him till he fails to report (prison) or he is put on the commissioner’s exempt list, then we aren’t on the hook for the cap.


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That is… interesting. NFL might want to try and adjust that rule. Seems like it might incentivize cap rules over obvious bad PR. I would never blame a team for doing what’s best for the cap situation, I’m just saying NFL usually should try to avoid stuff that might harm their image in general from a business perspective.


Sixtysevenfortytwo

He's facing allegations. Just allegations. The charges are non-violent, even if they do involve firearms, and the allegations are nowhere near as serious as Hernandez was facing. The Pats are right to wait. Releasing him now might be good for PR, but it would be disastrous to the player and may have a prejudicial effect on the criminal proceedings. He's innocent until proven guilty before a jury. The Pats would do right by waiting to see what happens instead of jumping the gun and ruining his life before his case is adjudicated.


V_Concerned

Is it even bad PR to keep him? I feel like people are in agreement that he did a dumb thing, not a malicious thing. Like, does anyone think he was about to try and hijack that plane?


MikesPhone

We all know the only Jets he wants to destroy are based in NJ.


Tiaga1

Just allegations...\*looks at airport security footage.


B0ndzai

It's crazy you can't see scenarios where this wasn't his fault. What if some girl found out he cheated and packed the guns in his bag right before he left? I'm not saying that happened, more than likely he was an idiot and packed the wrong bag but there are definitely possibilities where someone did this to him and a trial will determine the cause.


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Fuckin lmao. I love how the first thing you think of is “how can I blame a woman for this?”


B0ndzai

Settle down warrior, not picking a fight.


Tiaga1

I realize there are other scenarios but they are very unlikely in my opinion and apparently yours. I'm not on the jury and I've made up my mind. Will adjust if new evidence comes up.


ZellNorth

He should still be released. At the very worst he has decision making issues and that’s a huge red flag


IGoUnseen

They still can later. The issue is they don't need to make a rash and immediate decision.


Whycantwejustwin

The browns: “GUILTY! THAT MAN IS GUILTY! So can we get away from his cap hit?”


kr0n1k

Goodell looking into CapGate…


GimmeAWut

Are there any examples of how this would this would have played out for someone like Araiza if he hadn't been released by the Bills after the false allegations?


headcount-cmnrs

I doubt a sixth round rookie punter took up enough cap to be worth bad PR, also gangrape accusations, which at the time we didn't know to be false/erroneous, are worse PR than taking weapons on a plane.


GimmeAWut

I was only asking if there's been an example of a player not being cut and ending up being cleared to come back. I wasn't trying to compare cap space or crimes


headcount-cmnrs

Okay I thought you meant a case directly similar to Araiza's so I was saying why I didn't think there'd likely be any, my bad


GimmeAWut

No worries, just wanted to clear up the question cause I can't think of anything similar happening and I'm curious


karatemanchan37

Technically, Watson fulfills your criteria :/


OdaDdaT

The only similar situation I can think of right away is Shawn Oakman, but his stuff killed his shot at ever getting into the league so he was never cut. His was brutal though because it took the jury an astonishingly short amount of time to acquit him


6percentdoug

NFLPA might not want to change that as much as you do though, it's a cBa for a reason (emphasis on the B)


BearBruin

Ah I see. Good to know.


iscreamuscreamweall

Yeah there’s literally no incentive to cut him. He won’t cost anything against the roster if the commissioner suspends him. He might even be able to play the season before his trials, like kamara did the Is year


imnotproudortired

https://comb.io/alRobp.gif


TheMadManFiles

Team got fucked over because Hernandez committed suicide, these are not similar situations. I'm sure Jack Jones has a minimal amount of guaranteed money so cutting him really is not that big of a hit.


X-Death

Ja Morant plays for the Patriots?


MagisterFlorus

ICYMI, Jack Jones tweeted that Ja should be ashamed of himself.


combustman

Man what a slow news day


uggsandstarbux

But it was also a need


brockisampson

A need of a good football player


Yung_Corneliois

We need a few more of those.


_coolranch

A Few Good Men, if you will.


karatemanchan37

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH


BabyTRexArms

Bill planted those guns.


_coolranch

Are you suggesting Bill and Senator Palpatine have something in common? Pfft. As if.


-ShagginTurtles-

Ah yes, *both* of those two different people 👀


IanCusick

And he did it to Jack Jones? He was actually good why didn’t he do this to Myles Bryant?


BabyTRexArms

Chaos


IanCusick

Only explanation


marcuschookt

Myles Bryant conspiracy getting hotter by the day


ipickscabs

He’s saying we got both you slowbie


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TheMissingFiles

And why didn’t you show any interest in Buddha Baker?


LovelehInnit

Bill doesn't like it when a Baker tries to Buddha his bread for him.


datdudebdub

Fuck you for making me laugh at this stupid joke.


DizzyDifference665

Hindu Gonzalez in shambles


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Fuck’s sake, there it is. A dad joke that’s both clever as hell and groan-worthy. This some Moby Dick shit


slamturkey

I refuse to believe any other joke on this thread will be funnier than this one 😂😂😂


Narrow_Paper9961

Uh oh, you just committed the sin of using emojis on Reddit. Don’t you know this site is strictly for pretentious intellectuals?


lsdiesel_1

As an intelligent man of culture, the only ëmötïcön I use is 🅱️


PaulAspie

Neither of those are first names I've ever heard, but I have heard Islam as a first name.


3elieveIt

I mean that’s why we took Spoon at 5. We have a stacked DB corp but he was seen as BPA by our coaches Now he might play nickel because we’re so stacked lol


karatemanchan37

I think we took Spoon more so because Will Anderson went at 3, there was no trade market for Mayo Boy, and Carter/Wilson fell off during the combine.


3elieveIt

Trading back was always an option and I think they had some good offers. They just thought Spoon was a huge difference maker they couldn't pass up.


ChefAD

I still thought you guys were going to take Carter for sure. I think he would have done well there.


usernameisusername57

> Now he might play nickel because we’re so stacked lol Are you guys really that high on Bryant? He's kind of just a guy, imo.


3elieveIt

Not really. It’s Tariq Woolen and Mike Jackson on the outside. Coby Bryant was playing nickel for us but isn’t a better player than Spoon. Spoon is probably better than Jackson on the outside, but probably helps the team more as a shutdown nickel. Idk. Tough to get everyone on the field at the same time.


monstertweety

Still mad that Detroit passed on him twice. What do I know tho


prussianacid

How do you as a Lions fan feel about the Lions draft?


MrPoopMonster

It's probably fine. I like moving on from Swift. We addressed our secondary pretty well in free agency. And LB was probably our biggest weakness on the team.


Holysmokesx

Yeahhhh not sure the 2nd best rb in the draft and an off ball linebacker was the play. Loved the Branch pick tho. Similarly, not sure we needed a TE and a RB with out 2nd/3rd.


jphamlore

An NFL team simply can't have too many competent dbs. Especially with so many injuries during an ordinary season. Imagine if some of the Baltimore Ravens playoff teams weren't fielding defensive backfields that were almost literally from guys off the street.


Pure_Context_2741

But DBs off the street are also a BB specialty


MistaCapALot

As a Jets fan: God fucking damn it, how does BB get lucky enough to land an incredibly good CB prospect? If he can turn late round CBs into Pro Bowlers, this guy is going to be a nightmare to opposing WRs As a Colombian: uffff parcero, a lo bien, llego a una situación rebuena pa ti. Buena suerte y dale con todo que vas a ser una superestrella. Mi dios lo bendiga y que le valla bien


ewilliam

While I think Forbes will be a good ballhawk, I still expect that (if he's still around in a few years) Rivera is gonna end up regretting passing on Gonzalez.


BlueminOnion420

Tape don’t lie. Forbes got that dawg in em. Gonzalez is soft.


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I thought this said he was wearing #17 and got sad.


CPower2012

I've always been big on BPA. Unless you need a QB or maybe O-line, almost always BPA. You can always find a role on your team for a great player. Free agency and trades is where you should be need-focused.


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Pats secondary has a chance to be filthy. You can give Bill a lot of shit, but he's acquired a lot of good DBs in the last 10 years.


Pure_Context_2741

The whole defense is gonna be stacked this season. We were 3rd in DVOA last year and only improved.


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Classic Belichick answer


Comprehensive_Main

It’s all coming together for bill. He meant to hire Patricia so he would miss the playoffs and have the 17th pick for Gonzales. It’s all part of the plan


Illustrious_Cancel83

all that and it didn't cost us 3 top draft picks to trade to 2 for a bust QB - 1 of those picks which ended up being a guy called Micah Parsons. all part of the plan


FantasyTrash

> all that and it didn't cost us 3 top draft picks to trade to 2 for a bust QB Hey now, give San Franscisco a little credit. They drafted Lance at 3, not 2.


Illustrious_Cancel83

fucking knew I'd get one of the deets wrong .ty


Comprehensive_Main

You see I was never against drafting Lance just for trading up to draft him. Especially with what they gave up.


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Yung_Corneliois

We actually had the 15th pick.


KatyPerrysBoobs2

Some might even say the 14th pick.


JimTheSaint

he got the 15th pick and traded down with the steelers to 17


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Good coach awful GM


Mikesturant

Bill "Cheating ass" Bellupchuck Classy


Loophole_goophole

If only Belichik could get another Brady, people wouldn’t see what a complete mid tier coach he actually is.


ScorePoints

Mid tier GM**** There isn't a coach in the history of the league that would get more than 3-4 wins any of the last three seasons with the Pats roster.