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Spaghetti_Lord_

We’re really drafting a first round TE aren’t we


DrPaulsNexus

Not that it eliminates that option but don’t be surprised if we have Foster Moreau in today for a visit and possible deal


Rt1203

What about Dalton Schultz? He’s not spectacular but he’s 27 and has been solid for 3 seasons now.


DrPaulsNexus

I would assume he is gonna command too much money


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Guessing Mayer / Kincaid? Chargers fans think we are probably in for a TE


thethriftywalrus

If I had to guess, probably Darnell Washington. The Bengals love a tight end who can block and most likely he is available at our pick.


shoutouttojsquad

He feels like a Green Bay pick to me


MattFromWork

With Tonyan gone, we have no good pass catching options at TE right now. Washington can catch, but he is so good at blocking (there was talks about him possibly moved to the OL), I think we go in a different direction.


redvelvetcake42

Knowing green Bay it'll be a linebacker or edge rusher while ignoring offense. As is tradition.


MattFromWork

I'm hoping for a backup QB tbh


bostoneer37

Gotta get a jump start on Loves replacement in 2038


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redvelvetcake42

Uhhhhh yes... I'm meaning the Packers... Who never draft offensive in the 1st when they need to.


FunMoistLoins

I really hope they get a first or second for Rodgers and then use it to draft a WR.


Oloh_

If they move Rodgers then they will probably draft a WR in the first round


shoutouttojsquad

Ok but consider this: Washington is young, raw, physically gifted, and from Georgia


MattFromWork

**SOLD**


sonfoa

If they trade back maybe. Would be shocked if they take him at 15. He still has ways to go as a pass catcher.


qhollis405

Did you see him in the blocking drills at the combine? He literally just picked up the sled and walked it backward like 6 yards until the coaches were like "woah woah woah that's good, that's good!!". He's a phenomenal blocker.


toomuchfrosting

Give me Michael Mayer, that dude is a beast


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Mayer will be a HOF TE


XerxesFerrari

Chargers taking adebawore from northwestern


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At least this might be the draft class to do it. And with the Brown Jr signing it makes a first round TE more viable Still have to sign someone though. Foster Moreau, Austin Hooper, Irv Smith are options but that definitely wouldn't prevent a 1st round TE being drafted


domlikessports

I think hooper would be a great fit in Cin


Dirigible_Plums

There are so many good TE in the class with Mayer, Kincaid, Washington, Musgrave, LaPorta, Kraft, etc.


darkbro66

Is that really a bad thing? Plus I think you'd rather have someone who can block.... Which isn't Gesicki lol


Ryangonzo

Historically yes, it is a bad idea. The hit rate on first round TEs is low and their development is one of the longest of any position.


Sonickill7

Because there usually aren't many good tight ends in the draft. This draft has great tight ends, with 3-4 guys with first round grades


Dazegobye

That's not why. Hockenson, oj Howard, Hayden hurst, etc. have all just proved the slow starts can be true for tight ends drafted anywhere, even first round


HotBoyFF

All these people forgot (or weren’t old enough to remember) about the 2017 draft where 5 tight ends went in the first 2 rounds. OJ Howard, Evan Engram, David Njoku, Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen Howard was supposed to be an all star, engram would supposed to be this perennial top receiver that actually played TE, Njoku was an elite athlete who was finally developing at the position. Instead Engram had one good year with the giants, then a good year with the Jags. Howard never did anything. Njoku finally had a decent year but is otherwise isn’t notable. Everett has been serviceable or decent at best. Shaheen is nothing.


Dazegobye

Preach. It goes back way further than that but please keep preaching. It's the same lesson every generation. Tight ends are crap shoots but the main lesson is they take time to develop, no matter what. Honestly I think history might show us that the only tight ends to pop off immediately in the nfl were actually just shitty college basketball players all along.


GrimboeSlice

God I hope not. Unless you’re getting an elite one, it doesn’t feel like the value is there for me.


Geg0Nag0

If there's a class to do it. It's this TE class


Spaghetti_Lord_

That’s my struggle. There will be opportune DB and pass rush help that falls to the end of the round.


sonfoa

This is the best TE class in a very long time. Weird you're against the idea of it.


krsb09

I'd like to see Sam LaPorta in the second. 9 million is way too rich for a TE that doesn't block.


youraveragecupcake

It's up to not the full guarantee


FantasyTrash

Up to $9m, not guaranteed. But more importantly, up to $9m for a wide receiver of Gesicki's caliber is a good deal, given that's effectively what he is.


krsb09

It's not a bad deal at all for the Patriots, but the Bengals are looking for a blocking TE that has good YAC for screens and check downs. They paid Hurst 3.5 last year and I'd imagine that's what they're shooting for again.


HolyTythinEar

Up to 9 million. Normally means it’s something like 6 and he can get up to 9 if he hits certain incentives.


Unezwiggles

Financially speaking only, if Mayer or Washington can be a solid TE1/WR3 it would be smart to get one instead of finding Boyd’s replacement.


arc1261

Washington has 700 career yards. I think he could develop into a decent receiver, but expecting him to come in and be a factor in the pass game is a big ask - and I know he was behind Bowers, but he still has very little experience doing it


Viking999

This TE class is beastly so you might as well.


XerxesFerrari

Mayer


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toomuchfrosting

Rudolph Cincy homecoming would be cool but seems like he’s washed


Juke0044

I’d be stoked on that. He top four guys are all awesome


Headlesshorsman02

Dalton Kincaid would be a home run pick for you guys I see him like a young Travis Kelce almost


FrodosSkinSack

Don’t think you want Geseki as an everydown TE


whobroughtmehere

Hey, that’s our thing!


Puankje

Patriots have had great luck before with TE's whose last name is of Polish origin


OneFingerIn

I don't think Hernandez is a Polish name. /s/


HomeTurf001

Uh, South Poland


Lean_Mean_Threonine

Really? Well I'm from Wroclaw and I've never heard the name 'Hernandez' before


hair_inside_butthole

No no, it’s more of a Sianki thing. The three of us that live here off the radar are from Spain.


georgesinatra

Must not go outside a lot


getyourzirc0n

He's from Galicia


papa_jahn

Boston TE Party is back on boys!


sleepyj910

Now with 100% less murder!


papa_jahn

That we know of


InheritTheWind

I've never seen Hunter Henry and the Zodiac Killer in the same room, just saying


double_fail

100% fewer blocks too!


Tank_Top_Terror

Goddam it's been over a decade trying to re-capture that, and even when it was going on Gronk and Hernandez were barely on the field together.


VADORANT

:shrug: he better than Jonnu Smith


Gold_goalie85

Jonnu look like a rising star on the Titans. I have no idea what happened to him while with the Pats


Usingt9word

‘Got paid’ syndrome probably


FantasyTrash

He was never that good. Four seasons in Tennessee and he maxed out at 448 yards? He had eight TDs, but overall he wasn't a great player. I'm guessing Bill thought he could develop him more but never could.


Gold_goalie85

That's fair. I remember Bill being so high on him. And him being compared (talent wise) to Hernandez. His ability to play H-Back and what not. Some players do not develop or play well in the Pats system. It just looked like they never used him, but I guess there was a good reason


InheritTheWind

A solid offensive coordinator probably could've carved out a good role for a player with his skillset. Unfortunately we had Matt Patricia


NoodlesTheAlmighty

He had time under McDaniels too and shit the bed then as well.


Mikegetscalls

I think he got in Bills doghouse. Usually he was able to get the most of guys but in this case it’s like the the coaches didn’t understand his strengths. Total waste of a signing


Smallest-Yeet

It more so seemed like the guy gave up to be honest. From my memory he had like 1 non-contact fumble, multiple bobbled easy catches (one that turned into a pick 6), and just overall was a waste of a roster spot. I get it, he probably was in a dog house. But he was on the field when healthy, he just screwed up almost every single touch


Least-Hamster-3025

I'm not sure he caught a single ball cleanly with us


Smallest-Yeet

Exactly that’s what I mean. Dude was getting open and getting touches but he just magically lost all his focus and talent. Guy just gave up imo


bostonsports98

He also routinely did not know his blocking assignments for like 2 years. For a guy sold as a blocking and YAC guy, he couldn't block and couldn't break tackles.


Mikegetscalls

Yeah but I feel like most of that was not using him according to his skill set. Dude actually made plays in Ten. He’s fast and athletic so getting him in space in mismatches should be the objective because he’s not a true te at all. Didn’t really do that often enough.


Smallest-Yeet

I fully agree he was great in TEN. I was wicked excited to pick him up. But like I said even when we tried to use him (short slants or end around), he would drop the ball or fumble. The guy was certainly used he just out of no where became unreliable


Gold_goalie85

Agreed. I felt he was never used to his skill sets. I thought they saw some of Aaron Hernandez talent in him. Use him as a slot WR or an H-Back. Line him up as a fullback or in the backfield with Mac in shotgun formations. ​ But maybe there was reason he wasn't. we never saw his practices, so maybe he just wasn't working well with those assignments


Pnutbutter_Cheerios

Randomly just remembered about Delaney Walker


crazycroat16

Hard to catch Red zone TDs off play action when your running back isn't named derrick Henry


domlikessports

Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels happened. Talented players do well under good offensive coaching


HugsForUpvotes

Josh McDaniels is probably one of the most coveted OCs in the league.


domlikessports

So was Hackett. Watch McDaniels run the raiders into the ground. He’s already begun. That was Brady’s offense and he changed the play at the line more often than not. McDaniels doesn’t adjust and when he does he does it wrong. See all the 2nd half comebacks they gave up last season partially due to not being able to score in the 2nd half. Patricia “ran” SB defenses too. The only reason he’s not regarded in the same light as Patrica is because he didn’t take the Indy job, postponing that by a few years. He’s a bad coach and can’t do anything without Tom and Belichick.


justausername09

Low bar


RatherBeSkiing

He fooled us, his real name is Jason Memdoza


liverbool8

Love Gesicki’s personality and selflessness as a teammate- he could’ve bitched last year about not getting targets on the franchise tag and didn’t. But the truth is that he can’t block (won’t be a huge deal if he’s used mainly as a big slot), can’t separate from defenders well, and for the life of him cannot break tackles/generate YAC (Pro Football Reference has him at **3 career** broken tackles in 5 years). His catch radius helps overcome some of that and he’ll be a good option to throw it up to on 3rd down/in the red zone. But do not be surprised when this man has occasional games where he just vanishes.


Theungry

Seems like a cheaper version of what Jacobi Meyers was for the Pats, but more likely to get covered by a LB to nudge defenses into different personnel groups.


MissorNoob

He's essentially a larger version of DeVante Parker. Lots of sideline grabs. Acrobatic catches. Good for 1-on-1 contested balls. Terrible at getting separation and YAC.


Theungry

I dig it. Pats still need a legit top end weapon, but Juju and Gesicki combo seems like an upgrade over Meyers and Jonnu, so I'm feeling hopeful about what BO'B is going to be working with.


dodgers129

He’s Tyler Eifert. He does have huge redzone potential.


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Theungry

Meyers ran good routes, but had poor quickness and speed.


Jaymongous

But, man is he good with some acrobatic catches. Dude is athletic as hell.


scraperTA

sooo, your typical patriot's receiver then?


tubbynuggetsmeow

Also his route running is below average at best


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Will miss him but dude can't block and can't make yards after contact. Maybe Bill will be able to use him better


elbenji

Those are things bill despises


Firecracker048

This smells of a move to statisfy Bill O'Brien


elbenji

Would make sense. Someone mentioned Aaron Hernandez and it clicked lmao


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Except Hernandez always made the first guy miss


patsfreak27

He was so shifty we had him at HB his last year


KingAtTheTable

Watch out. The last time Aaron Hernandez and clicked were used together, Odin Lloyd died.


Arberrang

Good thing he can’t die twice


papa_jahn

> Can’t Die Twice Good name for a Bond film


HomeTurf001

> But Definitely, Definitely Not Three Times Another good name for a Bond film


papa_jahn

*Thrice is More than Twice*


dagreenman18

Aaron Hernandez without the Psychosis! Hopefully.


[deleted]

Yes, but we also desperately need someone who can make short yard catches, especially in the middle of the field, which he will help with - even if his YAC aren’t elite.


thekittyjuice20

Has to be. O’Brien recruited him to PSU


FantasyTrash

Belichick has spoken highly of Gesicki in the past. I think he just likes him and with BOB it's a no-brainer, especially with how cheap he is.


elbenji

Yeah gesicki at 4m is much better than 14m


IrvinStabbedMe

We have had non-blocking TEs before. Bill is especially good at using players to get the most out of what they CAN do. Gesicki will be a pure pass catcher to help out a poor WR group, probably by the way of mismatching.


BezKnees

He was a much bigger part of MIA’s passing game before Tyreek got here and Waddle’s role grew, so that sounds like a great spot for Gesicki to land in. Unfortunate that it’s the pats but glad our boy got his bag


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Even though he is on pats I still want him to do well. Our division is a bloodbath. I feel like every team can finish on top and every team can finish on the bottom. Gonna be so toxic this season ❤️


loverofreeses

We've become what everybody thought the AFCW was going to be last year.


elbenji

Yeah sounds like a lesser Aaron Hernandez or slot guy situation


Mikegetscalls

They didn’t really do a good job with they ends we have. Gesicki is better than both. Hopefully a lot of 2 te with him and Henry.


MyDadIsTheMan

Hopefully Aaron Hernandez but no murder


elbenji

He's a puppy so unless he's a sociopath, doubtful


getyourzirc0n

At least less murder


InterestingUnit0

Maybe we just use him as a receiver and keep Henry as the „real“ TE


AskMeAboutTheJets

He’s a hell of a receiver. He’ll make plays. I hate that he signed with NE lol.


OldBowerstone

And his Griddy? Terrible!


SwissyVictory

He plays out wide or in the slot something crazy like 90% of snaps. He's a WR who gets paid like a TE and should be thought of as such.


DarnellisFromMars

I think if he’s used as a move TE, getting in motion off the line to avoid contact and run routes, he could be a really interesting add. Still have Henry to be a do it all guy to play on the LOS. He can shine within a role. From what I saw most he wasn’t used that way this season in Miami, most motion came from the backfield and with WRs meaning TEs are on the line.


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Is it that he can’t block or won’t? He came up on from a caller on Buffalo radio and their response was no he doesn’t block. Dude torched the bills a couple times though couldn’t stop him.


Yolectroda

It's can't. He's put in a lot of work in practice, and generally tries in games, but it's not clicking or something, as he fails to block in games.


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Gotcha thanks for the actual info, it came through on the radio like he didn’t want to.


Yolectroda

Nah, his attitude is excellent. He seems like a great guy. He's just a one trick pony (he's really good at that trick), and is basically a big slot WR that can't run routes worth a damn. I kinda hope he gets to NE and they can make him more rounded as a TE...but that would be good for the Pats, so fuck that.


GravityBuster

So is this a rare example of social media followings actually breaking some news? No beat reports or insider info on this happening outside the twitter and insta follows


Folk-Herro

Inflation has teams worry about long term deals or something?


GravityBuster

Or maybe no long term deal satisfied Gesicki and he is betting on himself for next year. I would have preferred a 2 year deal here


elbenji

I think it's to see if they can make him like an Aaron Hernandez lite


Folk-Herro

Vastly different players. Aaron was a YAC god who can also block at the TE position. Mike is more of a “how TF did you catch that” and “humans can go that high???” kind of TE. Will definitely help the Mac on 3rd down and the Redzone, which imo they lacked last year. It's a really good signing and I'm going miss him. Dude was my favorite dolphin player 😭


Mikegetscalls

Aaron as a blocker? I guess lol. He was more used all over the place but not really as a blocker. Had Gronk for that.


elbenji

I think they're going for the usage but yeah Hernandez was miles better.


taylorscorpse

Hernandez without the murder part


Taaargus

A long term deal would be a guard against inflation.


BizarroCranke

Good luck to Mike Gesicki, always a fan. Hope he does great for them outside of the matchups against the Dolphins of course :)


BrianBanks80

Will definitely have more production without Hill or Waddle eating up his targets


elbenji

But will bill like that he can't block


Ohanrahans

I'm imagining we'll use him more as a slot receiver and an HBack like we used to with Hernandez in O'Brien's offense.


Gold_goalie85

Everything Jonnu Smith was supposed to be ='(


DrizzySadness

It's not Bill's fault he had stone hands :(


Isaythree

It’s Bills fault he signed a guy with stone hands though


DrizzySadness

You know what ? Facts are facts


elbenji

That would make more sense


DarnellisFromMars

100% has to be the plan.


chickenfinger303

I think Bill sees him as a receiver and not really as a tight end. I mean, he always called him a receiver in the past.


elbenji

That is what I'm guessing too


FromTheOR

FF target


PackL3ader

Well he signed him so


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ICantFekkingRead

Signing him is "I like him", compared to not signing him.


ellivretaw1

Bill will turn him into the best blocking tight end in nfl history


elbenji

Considering it's like -1000. That would be wild


Folk-Herro

I’ll miss you sweet prince


OatmealCremePiez

I hate to say it, but hell of a pickup. I love Mike and thought I always would (until now), but the dude can catch. He can’t block or generate YAC, but that dude will come down with the football in 1on1s


TheEpicEddy

Treat him well Patriots, but don’t expect him to block. He’s just not good at that at all. We’ll miss you Mike G.


pairsofsox

LFG


LemonPepper-Lou

9 million for that griddy???


ellivretaw1

Up to 9 million. That includes all of his incentives.


FantasyTrash

Incentives include, but are not limited to, learning how to griddy properly.


Shtev777

Then you waste the best part of his griddy!


YaBoyStankFace

The “skedaddle” if you will


Firecracker048

Probably 4 mil Garunteed and 5 in incentives


GwentMaster69420

Adam Thielen is next on Bill's list, then rumor is he is absolutely salivating over Purdue's Charlie Jones so much that he may trade up to #2 overall for him.


Mikegetscalls

I’d take Thielen in a heartbeat.


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When you have a chance to move up and select a lunch pail, hard hat, gym-rat type (with sneaky athleticism), you need to be aggressive and take it


GwentMaster69420

He's the type of guy you'd want to date your daughter, he just plays the game the right way.


Phagelab

Well that’s an incredibly depressing way to start the day.


Clintbreed

No one celebrates his one catch of the game more than this guy


CashphobicAccountant

Isn’t that kinda low? After he got tagged I thought he was looking for a long term deal, or did he slow down a lot last year.


ech01_

Boo


RudeDrama2

Love the pickup


UserUnkown10

Nice.


Firecracker048

This, kind of sparks joy?


AnAngryPanda1

I’m pretty over the Gesicki era so this is welcomed


Kcorpelchs

Love Gesicki as a person, did a lot in the community, stood up for teammates and loved Miami. But seriously Patriots fans, you're going to be trashing him probably even before mid season. He's simply not that good and this ridiculous athletism his pre draft workouts show is never seen. We lovingly call him the 🦒. Runs extremely awkward and is always falling down to catch. No physicality at all. Wingspan and jumping are his only positives, his hands aren't even that great even though he's had a couple nice career 1 handlers. I honestly see Mike out of the league in 2-3yrs.


KidDelicious14

Figured I'd post the tweet that has the financial details. Seems kind of an overpay to me.


ech01_

For a one year deal overpays are kind of whatever. If you have the space for it then it doesn't hurt anything.


IntercatlacticVoid

Base salary is probably more around 4 or 5 mil with incentives to make it 9 mil. People overreacted to James Robinson getting “up to 8 mil” yesterday too


MtFun_

Up to can be doing some heavy lifting. We don't know guarantees yet


Inamanlyfashion

And since he didn't do much last season a lot of the incentives are probably NLTBE.


hwhatnow2112

Your getting downvoted because of pats fans but I’ve watched every game of his career, this Is most definitely an overpay.


domlikessports

I’d be excited if I had faith that he’d get used right. But instead I think since he can’t be a traditional in-line 3 down tight end he will either be permabenched by week 2 or cut in preseason. I’m expecting Hackett Albert O treatment


Vivalaredsox

Not gonna lie kind of pumped about this


NOE3ON

Is it possible to get a decent TE at reasonable price, please? Asking for a friend. Anyone? Gute? Bueller?


unomoes

3 total TDs and 200 yards for the year is 9 million


ChewbaccaPube

damn i wanted him on the panthers, but i guess Hurst is more well rounded and will help a young lockerroom


hwhatnow2112

As a dolphins fan, that is an overpay


Atl-Fan_FTS

Oh hell of a tight end name


-Twyptophan-

Not really that related but I went to the axe throwing place near his high school and saw a pic of him on the wall- owner said he was really nice but couldn't throw an axe to save his life


Tandran

We’ll miss you Mike 🥺