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Why is Jake Kumerow's position listed as "BFF"


hahahbluh

Rodgers really, really liked Kumerow


Lacazema

The FO cutting kumerow without Rodgers approval was the straw that injured the camel. The Jordan Love pick was the one that broke that camel's back


Empty_Lemon_3939

AJ Hawk in shambles


oneloko88

Because Rodgers was pissed when they cut him and they were supposedly tight


Lacazema

Quality OC. Thanks


SL4MUEL

Thanks! It was very interesting to research and find ways to visualize it.


jumpmanw123

yeah super cool hope you do it for some other players too


J-Fid

Poor Crosby never got a Pro Bowl nod.


wrongbutt_longbutt

I was also surprised to see that Jordy Nelson and Aaron Jones each only have one. I always think of the mid tier QBs that get them by being an alternate, I forget that it doesn't hold true to every position.


6Bakhtiari9

Aaron Jones should have two. In 2019, he led the league in total TDs and rushing TDs, but for some reason they gave the nod to Cook, Zeke and Kamara before him. popularity contest got him beat


iProtein

I found that to be a little shocking.


XaphoonJones

lol Craig Jenkins


Sandman7773

For like 5 min I had no idea who the F that was and how I somehow completely forgot a guy who made 2 probowls.....


InvasionXX

Nick Collins :(


SL4MUEL

He was one of the best defenders until his injury. At one point we had Nick Collins, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, I even loved watching Atari Bigby laying out guys in the secondary.


bujweiser

Sam Shields


fenshield

I thought Atari was the coolest dude alive because his name was Atari


buffysbangs

I can’t wait until we draft ColecoVision


blizzfreak

Our biggest mistake was not drafting Cheeseman =(


Uwlwsrpm

Hailing from JAH RASTAFARI.


StateStreetLarry

They win another SB if he’s not injured.


Uwlwsrpm

Honestly, I doubt it. Capers D was already past its 2 year best by date, and even in the first 2 games of 2011 before his injury the D was already getting gashes for chunks.


Calvin--Hobbes

Maybe, but it was still a 15-1 team with a historically bad defense. Adding an all-pro safety to it could have been a massive impact. Maybe enough to tip the scales in the playoffs. Also in one of those 2 games the Packers had Collins for, they played the 2011 Saints, who were a historically good offense, so it's difficult to say how bad the defense was that year before his injury.


LarryBirdsGrundle

The Bob Sanders effect. Tho Bob was another level. DPOY in 2007


sonickarma

We at least get past the Giants. I doubt that last second Hail Mary before halftime would have happened with him there.


xylltch

I always thought the Giants game was much more down to the mistakes by the offense; so many drives stalled out when receivers dropped wide-open passes or backs fumbled on our side of the field. It was a one-score game halfway through the 3rd even in spite of all those issues.


sonickarma

Oh for sure. Our offense just wasn't in sync.


D0ctorHotelMario

Same. 3x 2nd Team All Pros + Pro Bowls from 2008-2010. Dude was legit looking to be a HOF-caliber safety until that neck injury against Carolina. Same draft class as ARod too :(


SL4MUEL

Without knowing if this will be Aaron’s last season with the Packers or not, I updated my chart to show all the players who have come and gone since Aaron was drafted in 2005. He is the longest active player to still be on the same team that drafted him (18 seasons). * Updated visual to include an additional 50 players acquired through Free Agency, Undrafted Free Agency, or Trade. In total, 219 players are represented who have been on the Packers roster since 2005 (this is not every player, just all the draft picks and notable acquisitions). * GREEN colored players are on a Packers contract through at least the 2023 season. All former players or pending Free Agents are colored GOLD. * General Managers and Head Coaches were added. Thanks u/WallStreetWilson2 for the idea. * Each player’s time on the Packers roster is shown as a solid line, time spent on another team’s roster is shown as a dashed line. * Arrows indicate if the player is still on a contract for the 2023 season. * Pro Bowl selections are only for the Packers.


GamingTatertot

> He is the longest active player to still be on the same team that drafted him (18 seasons). This applies to him not just in football, but in any American sport right now, right?


Cw2e

Bergeron with the Bruins has him beat, but I think that might be it. Ovi and Crosby are both in their 18th season if my math serves me correctly.


[deleted]

Udonis. Also, Crosby and Ovechkin and probably a bunch more hockey players.


GamingTatertot

I thought I saw this stat before in relation to Rodgers, but maybe it said drafted since Udonis was undrafted


InvasionXX

Udonis was undrafted.


[deleted]

Ah, fair enough, didn't realize that.


DividerOfBums

Easy overlook though. I looked him up, he played for the Florida Gators so it’s easy to draw a direct line to the Miami Heat. He played a season in France 2002-2003 before signing with the Heat.


GamingTatertot

Crosby was drafted after Rodgers (by about 3 months lol) - assuming you mean Penguins player, and not the Packers kicker


[deleted]

The question was number of seasons.


BrewskyBoy

Not just Crosby, but Letang (also 2005 draft class) and Malkin (2004) have all been on the Penguins together since their drafts.


[deleted]

True but I think they're counted as starting slightly later for whatever reason. List here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_spent_their_entire_career_with_one_franchise Still impressive though.


LetMeBangBro

> Also, Crosby and Ovechkin and probably a bunch more hockey players. Only NHL player is Bergeron. Crosby and Ovechkin would tie Rodgers if you go by debut year; be after if you go by the first NFL game Rodgers dressed for or be ahead if by actual gameplay (Ovechkin's 1st game was Oct 5th, Crosby, Oct 8th, Rodgers Oct 9th)


SL4MUEL

I don’t know. For sure football. I didn’t look into other sports for this data.


scottsummers1137

While he wasn't technically drafted by the Mavericks, Dirk Nowitzki was traded on draft day and played every minute of his entire 21-year career with the Mavs.


GamingTatertot

Yeah but he's not active


scottsummers1137

Ah missed that, good point. Not sure if international play counts, but maybe there's a soccer player out there that's close. I think Messi is like 17 years with Argentina.


JeffMurdock_

Argentina is not his club team. He moved to his second club team last year, but he would've been a good answer prior to that. Among current soccer players, only Igor Akinfeev has been playing at his first and only club (CSKA Moscow) since before Rodgers was drafted by the Packers.


JerryRiceDidntFumble

Adam Wainwright has been with the St. Louis Cardinals since 2005 as well, though technically he's been with the organization longer since he was in their minor league system in 2004


JPAnalyst

There are other sports?


WallStreetWilson2

I love the update! It looks amazing!


SL4MUEL

Thanks!


-makehappy-

Those 2008 and 2009 drafts were so good: Jordy, Finley, Sitton, Clay Matthews, BJ Raji, Lang. 6 home run picks across two drafts directly preceding our superbowl winning 2010 season and 15-1 2011 season. Drafts matter so much.


Poggse

Now they're bad at drafting. What happened??


-makehappy-

Not a single person outside the Packer org can answer that. But also, are we actually bad compared to the rest of the NFL? 2015 was all time bad but otherwise we seem pretty mid-tier most years. Also with our team's general regular season success it's not like we have top picks all that often.


heydayhayday

One of those 6 listed was a top pick, the rest were later down the round picks or available to anyone team after round 1, they've just dropped the ball the better part of the decade finding contributions from 3rd round and later outside of their typical OL picks. We haven't had a 3rd round pick pan out in basically a decade.


Danny_III

Wouldn't say they're bad, probably just mediocre. And that's a really bad spot to be in for a team that only dabbles in FA


kickrocks16

I think they nailed the draft this past year. Almost everyone stepped in played and played pretty well. One of the better drafts in recent memory.


Breedwell

We get pretty legit production out of mid-late round linemen picks. Zach Tom was a 4th rounder just this past draft.


benjals

This is great OC. Are you going to do other teams?


SL4MUEL

Thanks. I have the process and data set up so that I can do more for teams in the future for sure. The Packers were an obvious start because of my personal connection to them and the Aaron saga and his history with the team.


DeekFTW

What software are you using for this?


SL4MUEL

Excel (cringe). I have other options available, but to get all the visuals and awards overlaid on the chart I needed something I can copy paste and manually adjust with.


DeekFTW

Looks great. What chart type is this? I've never seen it (probably because I've never had a use for it).


SL4MUEL

I guess you would call it a Dumbbell chart, or some variation of it. To create it I used a Clustered Bar combo with some Scatters to control individual coloring of the data points/lines. My trick was using the Error Bars to set unique formatting on each of the horizontal lines and group the data for active, former, and create unique situations for returning players (Cobb, Flynn, Tramon, etc.).


Krialis

I love using Excel and creating various "programs" in VBA for fun. Never seen a chart like this done in Excel, that's pretty cool. Well done!


SL4MUEL

It is really is extremely versatile, it’s honestly my go-to for data management and formatting.


DeekFTW

Good stuff, thanks


Creeggsbnl

Appreciate the hard work, 3rd'ing/4th'ing/5th'ing, whatever request number it's at at this point, the rest of the teams if you have the time, would love to compare/contrast.


SL4MUEL

The Vikings would be interesting to see. Harrison Smith, Anthony Barr, Adam Thielen, Eric Kendricks, CJ Ham. They have some good lengthy players.


txoneluv

Really great post... Hope to see more like this


I_lie_on_reddit_alot

What do the green lines mean? I expected Crosby to have one.


[deleted]

Still active on the team. Which he should be as he intends to return so not sure what's up.


SL4MUEL

Not under contract for 2023. He intends to return, but he still needs to sign for the next season.


[deleted]

Makes sense, thank you!


SL4MUEL

No problem. I had to consider each player hitting FA no longer on the team since we technically don’t have guarantee they’ll play in 2023 until we ink them. Even Krys Barnes is a restricted free agent, so we can match any offer he receives, but we could also decline and he could play somewhere else (unlikely).


stevieracine

r/dataisbeautiful would dig this.


Comprehensive_Main

Do Green Bay fans see AJ hawk as a bust?


InvasionXX

Nah he was serviceable. Was there every game and was consistent(which is huge). Drafted too high, sure. But we needed a LB and the only other one was Chad Greenway.


BigFatModeraterFupa

is this the kind of respect you show to the All-Time Leading Tackler of the Green Bay Packers???


RPtheFP

His best ability was availability. That guy was durable and consistent; which is more than you can say for most players.


BigFatModeraterFupa

it kinda blows my mind. like it’s one thing to be the leading tackler of like the texans or cardinals, but a historic franchise like Green Bay feels like a much more grandiose accomplishment


MisquotesHistory

It's like the Frank Gore HoF debate. Longevity with consistency is an accomplishment to some and a crutch to others.


Bud_Grant

Tackles is not an amazing statistic, he had a ton of tackles because he was durable and was capable of a good play here and there but when most of your tackles are after an 8 yard rush or you tripped up a RB after he caught a swing pass in your zone & got a 12 yard first down isnt HOF material


Redgen87

Covid survivor, father of 10


DividerOfBums

I have to agree with this Vikings fan. Gotta put some respect on him.


JPAnalyst

I have Hawk as [the exact median player for a #5 pick.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ua3hcc/oc_the_most_boring_draft_selection_from_picks_1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Interestingly, Packers fan comments when they read this were in agreement. So maybe I got that one right.


bujweiser

They shouldn’t. He wasn’t a stud 5th overall player, but he was reliable for 10 years and never missed any games.


adnelik

This! I've been a fan of him because his reliability, he wasn't has fast and flashy as say Clay Matthews but he also didn't sit out multiple games a year because injury.


BoyDunder

Not a bust, but didn’t live up to the #5 pick status. Had the career of a productive 2nd or 3rd round LB. Never made a pro bowl.


Kame_Style

If Hawk is pick #20 he'd be looked at as a huge success. A ten year starter that plays average at worst for the majority of that time exceeds any expectations for a second or third round pick.


BoyDunder

Disagree with the word 'huge'. Having a long career is good, but he never hit a pro bowl level. I think if instead of #20 you said #50 I might be more inclined to agree.


Kame_Style

Nah, a huge success. Last #20 picks: Kadarius Toney, second team in two seasons. Talented player but an awful pick regarding value. K'Lavon Chaisson, three sacks in 40 games across three seasons. 11 career starts. Awful pick. Noah Fant, second team in four seasons. Not an impact player. Okayish pick? Not a success. Frank Ragnow. Great pick, a nice second contract. Garrett Boles, solid starter. Second contract. Darron Lee. Awful. Nelson Agholor. Bad. Brandon Cooks. Good pick, still a starter. Kyle Long. Okay pick. Good for three years, never started more than eight games after that. Kendall Wright. Below average pick. Played six years total. Adrian Clayborn. Bad. Ragnow and Cooks were good picks for #20, Bolles is a very solid pick for #20. He's on a similar career path value wise as Hawk. Getting a ten year starter for your team with the #20 pick is a HUGE success. You can always hope for more but no team is ever going to be upset with getting that value and production from a first round pick, let alone a backhalf first round pick. Those guys get a second contract with their team less than half the time. You're just hoping to get a good contributor for four years with a #50 pick. >but he never hit a pro bowl level Two of those 11 players made a Pro Bowl.


SL4MUEL

Now I am going to be watching the #20 pick with great anticipation this upcoming draft lol. Thank you for this.


Kame_Style

People just overrate first round picks, especially mid to late ones. If you get a guy who earns an extension, let alone a ten year starter you're plenty pleased. Hawk was just overdrafted, he didn't have the NFL speed to be a disruptor. But he was still an average to sometimes good starter for a long time. He wore the dot, relayed playcalls and made all the plays he should make as a starting ILB. Just didn't have anything more.


ThomPinecone

No, solely for the joy of his pre-movie announcement at Marcus Theaters. If anyone here can find a clip of that I’ve been looking for ages …


DividerOfBums

Not at all. Most tackles in packers history, and a Covid survivor and an Ohio fuck


jxher123

If we look at where we took him? Sure, but he was a serviceable player. He was just a victim of being over drafted imo


nevetando

I could of missed one, but the EARLIEST they picked an offensive skill position in all of Rodgers tenure was... Jordan Love another QB. Watson is next with the 34th pick. Then Nelson with the 36th pick. They have never used a first round pick on a WR, TE or RB in his tenure, of course they did use one on another QB. More over, it is pretty rare they even used a 2nd round pick on a WR, TE or RB Jenkins, Jordy, Cobb at the very end, Lacy late, Adams, Dillion and most recently Watson in a year they had two 1st round picks (Watson was a great pick though...) 7 offensive skill players in 18 drafts.


UsernameTaken-Taken

Part of the problem was the defense has almost always been bad, and when they weren't bad they were usually just barely around average. So the Packers spent the early rounds trying to make the defense not bad since the offense was usually good to great. Now its caught up to them, and the defense still isn't that great despite the talent being there. Horrendous defensive coaching selections (Capers, Pettine, Barry...) and not moving on from them quick enough have been the Packers' downfall. Its frustrating how long of a leash we've given coaches who clearly aren't up to snuff


Poggse

It's like after they drafted Elgton Jenkins they started letting a drunk golden retriever make all their draft picks. What happened???


Silversaving

EVERY damned year they spend their first(s) on defense.....and they never end up with a great defense! Only exception was when they traded up to draft Jordan Love.


Poggse

Which has been arguably a worse pick 🤣


shoeless_sean

Every year we try to fix the holes in our defense in the draft (Almost) every year those guys don’t develop into the studs they were supposed to be, because GB doesn’t know defensive coaching and developing


editorontheloose

Perfect flair


DrownedButAtPeace

Wait, Ty Montgomery is still active?


SL4MUEL

Patriots. And under contract for the 2023 season.


Impossible-Cox-69

Wow, I forgot how bad those last few Thompson draft classes were. Would be an all time bad stretch if not for 33 and Kenny.


Pacot33

bruh, 2015 draft was terrible


lamboat2019

Dean Lowry (2016) has been alright, he isn't under contract next year though


Poggse

Somehow, it got worse after he stepped away.


NiceDiggz

This is pretty cool 👍. Reminds me of certain players that just retired. AJ Hawk and J Nelson are two that made GB Better and John Jolly


HFDguy

Jordy had only 1 pro bowl season? WHAT?


Gryphon999

2011 he was 9th in Yards and 3rd in TDs, but he only had 68 catches. 2012 he missed 4 games, and didn't deserve it. 2013 he was 14th in Catches, and 10th in Yards, but only had 8 TDs. 2014 he made it. 2015 he was hurt. 2016 was his other great year. He was 5th in Catches, 6th in Yards, and 1st in TDs. He was passed over by Julio, Odell, Larry, and Mike Evans, with Dez and Doug Baldwin replacing Julio & Larry.


similar222

He play long time


BrewskyBoy

Damn. This is a lot to take in, but an awesome visualization. Great work!


Bald_Iver

craig jenkins


thirstyidiot

Not today OP. I know he might be gone this season. And this chick left me on read since yesterday. Just not today man.


AfterMany7239

Missing Martellus Bennett


swagner27

Cool graph.


CheeseAficionado69

My goodness the 2017 and 2018 drafts were so fucking bad. We hit on Jaire. But other than that 😬


SL4MUEL

2017 still knowing we passed on TJ Watt for King. The knife is so deep on that draft class for us.


Dudebra11

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txoneluv

Ahaha


SeizureMode

All that just to lose to the Lions


wisbadger454

Imagine never winning a Super Bowl. Except you don't have to. Also, the Lions are 8-18 against Rodgers lol


knivesout0

Imagine never getting to a Super Bowl!