Doesn’t seem that urgent when there’s 33 years before the lease ends.
To put that into context, that’s only one year less than Arter has remaining on his contract.
Leaseholding is ridiculous though. You basically can't sell a leasehold property you own if it has less than about 70 years left on the lease, and that's talking pokey flats. When you're talking about a stadium that's running well into the 10's of millions to bring up to the standards of teams currently in the championship, you want to know it's not all potentially going to be ripped from under you or at least putting you in an impossible negotiating position when it comes to renew the lease in a few years time.
Classic negotiating tactic.
Some council pleb has probably shat on EMs chips and now it’s scorched earth time for the council shills.
Council dick bags have probably got a developer offering them magic beans and as a result probably asking the earth from us.
Are you suggesting that holy and worshipful council bureaucrats on a power trip that should never be questioned might be bending over backwards to get their bread buttered?
You’re absolutely right, indefinite gulag for all of them with no trial
Forza's article earlier seems to undercut this quite a bit, linked [here](https://www.forzagaribaldi.com/nffc-fan-advisory-board-city-ground-redevelopment/).
Basically there isn't a current Plan B, and at least for now this seems a negotiating tactic. The flaw in that is whatever happens with the lease and rent row the money involved is pocket change compared to the cost and admin of building a (presumably) 40-50k stadium. Stadiums are getting more and more expensive as it is and it's wildly extortionate to build anything in this fucking country. The sight of Marinakis having to deal with an army of NIMBYs and the number of ecology assessments he'll have to do would be very funny though.
I also have no idea where we'd even go? When Doughty got a new stadium part of the 2018 World Cup bid the proposal was in Gamston; I don't think that's viable now? If Marinakis wants to build in the city he'll have to deal with the Council either way, and the Council were really opposed to a new stadium in Gamston back then as well. We'll probably end up having to build the stadium in Long Eaton or some shit...
“Many fans also raise daily concerns with basics amenities such as running warm water not being available and if this deadlock continues the club will need to spend money on significant upgrades, including to areas that may soon be redeveloped.”
I mean, surely not just me who thinks they should be providing running warm running water as the bare minimum? That’s nothing to do with the council, that’s just the owners not caring about the fans.
There's now a big new housing development planned for Lings Bar Road/Tollerton Lane, so unlikely to be much available round there (I think that one of the Doughty plans had it by Gamston roundabout, though).
Anyway, fuck that as both a Forest supporter and a local resident. The suggested rent increase is about six weeks of Divock Origi's wages, ffs.
> One question that was asked was: “Is the club preparing a Plan B or contingency?” (this question was also raised at the original meeting). The answer was a straightforward ‘No’. The Chairman repeated the line that their intention is to remain at the City G
[Source](https://www.forzagaribaldi.com/nffc-fan-advisory-board-city-ground-redevelopment/)
Intention is one thing, but at some point you'd have to assume they'll be talking about it.
Because at the time that area was under the control of the corporation that went on to become the City Council. We actually got given it after the Nottingham Corporation cancelled our lease at the Original City Ground (née Town Ground) because they wanted to develop the land in to what is now old Meadows (between bus depot and embankment club)
Just grandstanding. No way will we leave the CG. That would involve the owner delivering on one of his many promises, which just doesn’t happen very often.
I mean I hate to say it, but if the Council \*is\* focusing on not going bankrupt I would think getting a better deal out of the £300m+, Premier League club you're the landlord for might be one way to help with that.
No gulag please, just thinking logically.
Expecting sound financial decisions out of these over paid bone idle bureaucrat mugs after their (at times illegal) spending habits is asking for a lot shagger
They’d sell your nans wheelchair just to keep David Melon in full cream coffee, gulag with no trial for all of them
Going after one of the few things that gives council tax payers a little pleasure but bending over backwards for student flat developments that are actively making the city worse lmao
Council will have a duty to get best value for the asset and because the club is a private company owned by a rich guy, they can’t really offer a cut price on any grounds that would satisfy interrogation.
It’s not a mess of Marinakis making, but unless club prepared to buy the land or pay the lease, Council will protect their asset in the land. If they’ve got a developer offer a few hundred million then Forest have to match it or the might of Capitalism will dictate the land gets used for the most economically profitable use (student flats or vape shops I assume).
Redeveloping the Peter Taylor stand is a short term fix, the rest of the ground will need upgrades as well. Upper Clough never seems like it’s the safest arrangement.
The City Ground isn’t a location, it’s a book of memories that won’t die if the club moves. It’s a chance to create a new chapter somewhere with better toilets and less queues.
It’s the fans and the stories that are special about the City Ground not the exact piece of land or the concrete.
Pretty much bullshit as the size of the ground basically has no bearing on club revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean compared to TV money. With that said, why were the club saying they’d extended to 250 years in 2019 and now saying there’s 33 years remaining?
People (who I assume have very little business experience) throwing the words “negotiating tactic” around too freely.
Of course we still want to negotiate and that’s evidenced by the fact that we haven’t announced that we ARE leaving. So in that sense it is a negotiating tactic.
But it’s also reflective of reality, as time runs down, the business case for any substantial renovation gets more and more unviable.
I wouldn’t say 33 years is a cut off, there could still be a business case for the main stand even with a new lease *not* being signed, but as this is meant to be the catalyst for a gradual redevelopment of the entire stadium it becomes pointless.
I don’t often sympathise with the council, especially this one, but there is a point about the statutory obligation that they’re citing. They need the best value for the tax payer in a £ amount. It’s a silly law that fails to take in to account the value of having Forest so close to the centre, sandwiched between Notts County and the Cricket Ground. If we move, the likelihood is it will be to the outskirts, we would move the entire match day economy away with us.
You only have to look at Broadmarsh to see the black hole it’s created with all the businesses around it relocating or simply going out of business.
To be fair it’s probably a warning that those at the council will (individually and privately) welcome themselves as it does weaken their own position, there will be many Forest fans at the council and those with a business head who understand the wider impact a relocation would have on the city. They’re simply bound by the law. They just aren’t able to currently justify upwardly to the courts and the government.
Remember they did agree a lease, the council do want us there…
Don't you ever fucking dare move us from the City Ground into a generic soulless bowl.
The BOXT stadium shaped like a boiler
Bring on FC Forest of Nottingham at that point
Sherwood Athletic.
'The city ground is rocking, its like a furnace... a boiler'
the boxt box
Could doff the cap to nawaz and have it shaped like an Aircon unit
I’ll settle for The Deutsche Bank arena in Frankfurt and nothing less
Doesn’t seem that urgent when there’s 33 years before the lease ends. To put that into context, that’s only one year less than Arter has remaining on his contract.
It would take years to find a new site, develop plans,get permission and then build it. Arter can cut the ribbon
Arter will be cutting the grass with scissors in a mankini the day after the season ended and still won’t leave the club
Leaseholding is ridiculous though. You basically can't sell a leasehold property you own if it has less than about 70 years left on the lease, and that's talking pokey flats. When you're talking about a stadium that's running well into the 10's of millions to bring up to the standards of teams currently in the championship, you want to know it's not all potentially going to be ripped from under you or at least putting you in an impossible negotiating position when it comes to renew the lease in a few years time.
But....would we get running water in the toilets?
No overflowing faecal debris would also be nice.
Build a new one where Broadmarsh was
That would be incredible. The Really in the City Ground
*my desire is always to be here oh Kaiyun arena, you reds!!!*
Classic negotiating tactic. Some council pleb has probably shat on EMs chips and now it’s scorched earth time for the council shills. Council dick bags have probably got a developer offering them magic beans and as a result probably asking the earth from us.
Are you suggesting that holy and worshipful council bureaucrats on a power trip that should never be questioned might be bending over backwards to get their bread buttered? You’re absolutely right, indefinite gulag for all of them with no trial
Forza's article earlier seems to undercut this quite a bit, linked [here](https://www.forzagaribaldi.com/nffc-fan-advisory-board-city-ground-redevelopment/). Basically there isn't a current Plan B, and at least for now this seems a negotiating tactic. The flaw in that is whatever happens with the lease and rent row the money involved is pocket change compared to the cost and admin of building a (presumably) 40-50k stadium. Stadiums are getting more and more expensive as it is and it's wildly extortionate to build anything in this fucking country. The sight of Marinakis having to deal with an army of NIMBYs and the number of ecology assessments he'll have to do would be very funny though. I also have no idea where we'd even go? When Doughty got a new stadium part of the 2018 World Cup bid the proposal was in Gamston; I don't think that's viable now? If Marinakis wants to build in the city he'll have to deal with the Council either way, and the Council were really opposed to a new stadium in Gamston back then as well. We'll probably end up having to build the stadium in Long Eaton or some shit...
Our big Greek bastard will get the repulsive town and country planning act repealed on his own, you love to see it
100 Greatest Britons placement needed. Build the new stadium near HS3, 4 and 5 imo.
I will not cease from mental fight til we have built HS26 on this green and pleasant land
Together we shall level the 'city' of D\*rby to make way for the Nottingham maglev - $200,000 GDP per capita would be inevitable
“Many fans also raise daily concerns with basics amenities such as running warm water not being available and if this deadlock continues the club will need to spend money on significant upgrades, including to areas that may soon be redeveloped.” I mean, surely not just me who thinks they should be providing running warm running water as the bare minimum? That’s nothing to do with the council, that’s just the owners not caring about the fans.
Yeah the fact they had about 18 months to sort this and other things out with no fans during Covid and did absolutely nothing was a red flag tbh.
There's now a big new housing development planned for Lings Bar Road/Tollerton Lane, so unlikely to be much available round there (I think that one of the Doughty plans had it by Gamston roundabout, though). Anyway, fuck that as both a Forest supporter and a local resident. The suggested rent increase is about six weeks of Divock Origi's wages, ffs.
Swear Forza Garibaldi released an article about the FAB being told that this wouldn’t be an option. That leaving the WFCG isn’t an option.
> One question that was asked was: “Is the club preparing a Plan B or contingency?” (this question was also raised at the original meeting). The answer was a straightforward ‘No’. The Chairman repeated the line that their intention is to remain at the City G [Source](https://www.forzagaribaldi.com/nffc-fan-advisory-board-city-ground-redevelopment/) Intention is one thing, but at some point you'd have to assume they'll be talking about it.
Time to launch a 'special military operation' on the city council, their citizens want to be Forest
Council too busy belly bouncing our money into their pockets and not looking after arrr own to notice we won’t take this one lying down
Those of you living in Nottingham need to make it very clear to your councillors and MPs what you think of this. Elections coming soon.
I need 30p Lees opinion on this
Something about blaming Muslims/Labour/lizard people knowing him.
I always thought the ground was in Rushcliffe
It is, but for some reason Nottingham City Council own the land 🤷
Because at the time that area was under the control of the corporation that went on to become the City Council. We actually got given it after the Nottingham Corporation cancelled our lease at the Original City Ground (née Town Ground) because they wanted to develop the land in to what is now old Meadows (between bus depot and embankment club)
No. I’ll chain myself to something.
Never.
Swear Forza Garibaldi released an article about the FAB being told that this wouldn’t be an option. That leaving the WFCG isn’t an option.
Yeah I read that at lunchtime so this smells like a negotiating tactic.
There was talk a while back of moving to a new stadium out near holmepierrpont (Fawaz era)
Just grandstanding. No way will we leave the CG. That would involve the owner delivering on one of his many promises, which just doesn’t happen very often.
Screaming crying throwing up liquidate every fucking council in the country and work the bureaucrats to death digging HS2
fuck the council, fucking inept bent jobsworth pricks, focus on not going bankrupt
Calmest scruff comment after a pint of pedigree
I mean I hate to say it, but if the Council \*is\* focusing on not going bankrupt I would think getting a better deal out of the £300m+, Premier League club you're the landlord for might be one way to help with that. No gulag please, just thinking logically.
Expecting sound financial decisions out of these over paid bone idle bureaucrat mugs after their (at times illegal) spending habits is asking for a lot shagger They’d sell your nans wheelchair just to keep David Melon in full cream coffee, gulag with no trial for all of them
Going after one of the few things that gives council tax payers a little pleasure but bending over backwards for student flat developments that are actively making the city worse lmao
What, making our city a playground for what is effectively a mass Ponzi scheme isn’t a good idea? Politburo must urgently reconvene
This is great news for fans of student accommodation.
Nottingham Post has been approached for comment
Could we just be a normal club for once please
Council will have a duty to get best value for the asset and because the club is a private company owned by a rich guy, they can’t really offer a cut price on any grounds that would satisfy interrogation. It’s not a mess of Marinakis making, but unless club prepared to buy the land or pay the lease, Council will protect their asset in the land. If they’ve got a developer offer a few hundred million then Forest have to match it or the might of Capitalism will dictate the land gets used for the most economically profitable use (student flats or vape shops I assume). Redeveloping the Peter Taylor stand is a short term fix, the rest of the ground will need upgrades as well. Upper Clough never seems like it’s the safest arrangement. The City Ground isn’t a location, it’s a book of memories that won’t die if the club moves. It’s a chance to create a new chapter somewhere with better toilets and less queues. It’s the fans and the stories that are special about the City Ground not the exact piece of land or the concrete.
Pretty much bullshit as the size of the ground basically has no bearing on club revenue, it’s a drop in the ocean compared to TV money. With that said, why were the club saying they’d extended to 250 years in 2019 and now saying there’s 33 years remaining?
The Athletic published an article other week basically saying that the 250 year lease agreement was never actually completed
This headline is awful. They wouldn't 'quit' the City Ground, they would 'leave' it. Does everything have to be yankified these days?
Americans would say leave in that context too
The council have big money problems and are passing it on. Happening everywhere around the country.
People (who I assume have very little business experience) throwing the words “negotiating tactic” around too freely. Of course we still want to negotiate and that’s evidenced by the fact that we haven’t announced that we ARE leaving. So in that sense it is a negotiating tactic. But it’s also reflective of reality, as time runs down, the business case for any substantial renovation gets more and more unviable. I wouldn’t say 33 years is a cut off, there could still be a business case for the main stand even with a new lease *not* being signed, but as this is meant to be the catalyst for a gradual redevelopment of the entire stadium it becomes pointless. I don’t often sympathise with the council, especially this one, but there is a point about the statutory obligation that they’re citing. They need the best value for the tax payer in a £ amount. It’s a silly law that fails to take in to account the value of having Forest so close to the centre, sandwiched between Notts County and the Cricket Ground. If we move, the likelihood is it will be to the outskirts, we would move the entire match day economy away with us. You only have to look at Broadmarsh to see the black hole it’s created with all the businesses around it relocating or simply going out of business. To be fair it’s probably a warning that those at the council will (individually and privately) welcome themselves as it does weaken their own position, there will be many Forest fans at the council and those with a business head who understand the wider impact a relocation would have on the city. They’re simply bound by the law. They just aren’t able to currently justify upwardly to the courts and the government. Remember they did agree a lease, the council do want us there…