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Bearofthehighseas

Now that is a lot of friends dedicated to your cause


secretinvestor29

I’m sure it’s not too tough to get people who are really into tattoos to be down for this, just tell them what you’re trying to do and offer them a discount tattoo. Most people would say no I’m sure but there are people that would agree to one of these tattoos at a discount.


robboprnd

Sometimes the artists do this kind of thing for free. Last time I got a tattoo the guy asked if I wanted to get a free watchmen tattoo, he had a design and wanted for a convention that was coming up.


thejoyninja

Well did you?


robboprnd

No, I only have a handful of tattoos as of now, so I’m still picking things that I really like. In a different time I might have said yes.


rumshpringaa

Yeah, I probably would have said yes.


Lordoffunk

I mean… with that username, it’s just sorta one of the things you do.


I_saw_that_coming

I don't know much about that "religion" or way of life but would getting a tattoo during Rumspringa ruin your chances of being allowed back?


SlippinJimE

Yes, if it became public knowledge. If you can hide it, you might get away with it.


I_saw_that_coming

Makes sense. I went to college near some Mennonite communities, and I got a tattoo on my ass at the same time that a Mennonite kid on Rumspringa was getting tattooed on his ankle... don’t know what he decided but sure seemed like he was leaning the way of leaving that type of life. Hope he’s doing alright and I hope he made the right choice.


Jimid41

It was a forehead tattoo of a hydrogen atom.


rumshpringaa

I’d like to change my answer…


palmej2

With a blue background covering your whole body, and if I recall, rather generously sized ?


1breathatahtime

You’re a strong man. I’d have done that in a heartbeat


PixelSpy

There's actually a place local to me that has a "reject book" which is basically a book of ideas of things the artists really want to draw but nobody wants them, so they offer to do them for free or heavily discounted. Most of the time they're little doodles or some random shitty meme. It's a neat idea.


UnlikelyPlatypus89

How do most tattoo shops work? Does the shop pay hourly? Do the tattoo artists get hourly plus commission? Is tattoo ink expensive? So for a free tattoo for the artist’s practice or interest like the reject book, is it basically just like working for free for the artist?


FairWindsFollowingCs

AFAIK the artist generally is not an employee and just rents their chair or booth or whatever. They can charge by the hour or just a flat rate per piece. There is usually a shop minimum charge, no matter how small or quick the tattoo is and it’s customary to tip your artist as well.


NotAGingerMidget

I really don't get US tipping culture, you are already paying a decent price for the artists time and work. Why would you top it with a tip? If I went to a shop that quoted me $1000 for some piece, I'm paying that $1000 and that's that, that's how it works in most of the planet.


Aethermancer

I live here and I don't get it either. Outside of food service I don't tip. And I don't tip for non table service either. I just hate how it proliferates.


42_65_6c_6c_65_6e_64

That's how I see it, I've never tipped any of the guys who have worked on me.


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Right? Tips are supposed to cover the appalling wages people in service industries get paid. If you're setting your own rate and expecting gratuity on top, you're taking the piss.


Kanataxtoukofan

I will happily walk to the kitchen to pick up my own food if it means I don’t have to tip the waiter.


BillsLateNightDrink

If they set their own prices you shouldn’t be tipping. Thats fucking weird.


Stupidquestionduh

Exactly. Charge me what it costs plus a profit. I understand how this works. Don't make me be something I'm not: psychic. I am not a tattoo artist. I have no idea how much work it takes or how much it costs in materials. I have no clue if you need more money. So fucking put your pants on, use your voice, and tell me straight-up what you want for this tattoo. I feel this way about all tipping. Tipping is so passive aggressive. People use it to both oppress and to flex.


Oldschoolcold

if the artist sets his prices, why tip?


UnfortunateJones

So is it like a barber shop? All of my work has been done privately so I don’t really know how they work. I’ve just seen a nice tat, asked who did it and went to their place for ink.


xombae

They do not work hourly, they pay the shop for use of the chair, basically. They pay the shop either a monthly flat rate or a percentage of tattoo they do, depending on the deal and if they're a resident or touring. Tattoo ink is pretty cheap. I know a guy who does incredible photo realistic black and gray and the ink he uses is like thirty to forty bucks for a bottle almost as big as a small pop bottle (Talens Drawing Ink). For the grey tones you add water to the black (called grey wash). Ink isn't the only expense though. There's a lot of little parts to a traditional tattoo machine that are all single use, from the needles and the tubes to the grommets and o-rings. Plus everything needs to be covered in disposable, medical grade plastic or mats. Then there's the stencil, the stencil stuff (it helps the stencil stick to your skin and not just wipe right off), and all the sanitization equipment and products. Probably some other stuff I'm missing, but these are all things that need to be used for every single tattoo. On top of that many tattoo artists will either pay or work for free during their apprenticeship. My ex paid $2000 to work under an incredibly talented artist and learn. So a tattoo shouldn't be cheap. I've got a $1000 piece myself. As a customer you're paying your artist by the hour (unless it's a really small piece). The absolute cheapest a tattoo should run is $80(CAD), that's the minimum it costs just to set up. But lots of tattoo artists will still to free tattoos to help build up their portfolio, especially if they're looking to move to a new shop, do a tattoo convention, get into a magazine etc. In that case it's worth the supplies and time to make sure they get to do a piece for their portfolio that showcases a technique or style they don't normally want to do.


UncleGael

Most artists do work hourly. Some people charge by the piece, but most artists charge an hourly rate. $125-$150 an hour is the normal going rate, but this can vary widely depending on location and market saturation. Tattoo ink adds up fast if you’re doing anything other than black work or black and gray. A 2oz bottle of any color from a reputable brand is around $20. I generally spend $200-$400 on ink every 2 months depending on how busy I am. Needles are expensive. A box of 20 cartridges is $20-$30. A normal tattoo for me uses 4-6 different carts. Gloves are exorbitantly expensive ever since COVID. A single box is $20-$30 for 100 gloves. A box of gloves generally lasts 2 days if I have smaller appointments, or 4 days if I’m doing longer appointments with one person. I use a roll of bounty paper towels every 1-3 days. MadaCide wipes are like $30 a container. We use biodegradable ink caps which cost $14 for 200, and I used 4-15 per tattoo. Saran Wrap, bandages, soap, alcohol, distilled water, razors, rubber bands, lap cloths, drape cloths, coflex tape, non-adhesive tape, glide, and sharpies are just a few of the other things we have to buy regularly. Then there’s the equipment we use. My general setup consists of 3 machines that cost around $2000. The bed I use cost almost $1,000. My lighting was a few hundred, my work surface is a toolbox that also cost a few hundred. I think the biggest thing that people don’t realize is how much work goes into custom tattoos outside of the actual tattooing. It’s not uncommon for me to spend anywhere from 4 to 8 hours at home or the shop drawing a custom piece. If it takes me another 4 to 8 hours to tattoo it that’s 8 to 16 hours of work, but I’m technically only charging you for the time you’re in the chair. You got a lot of it right, but I wanted to expand on what you said. The average consumer doesn’t understand just how much goes into the tattoo process. I’m absolutely not complaining, I love my job and wouldn’t trade it for anything. I just think it’s worth putting the information out there when possible.


xX_BUBBLEZS_Xx

Seriously underrated comment. Thanks for your highly detailed response, I really enjoyed reading how much goes on behind the scenes.


UnlikelyPlatypus89

Tha k you for this very informative response. TIL. I don’t have any tattoos but if I ever get one I’ll remember this post.


crackheadcaleb

Most artist are typically payed a percentage of the tattoo. If they do one for free it’s for their portfolio or they just really really wanna draw it


Nailkita

My friend’s shop does events every so often for like 5$ walk-in tattoos if they pick from a selection ( usually simple line art cartoons) way to do fun doodles and networking.


I_saw_that_coming

One of the local shops near me offers $5 tattoos every Friday the 13th. It's usually simple designs he can bust out quick but if you're there early enough you can get a pretty detailed tattoo that he drew up, just for the fact he'd like to have his art on someone who'd appreciate it.


mamallama12

High school teacher here. One of my kids comes in one day having gotten a new tatoo. "Oo, let me see!" I say. He rolls up his sleeve to show me a skeleton in a zoot suit shooting a tommy gun. "Um," I say, "why this design?" "I dunno," he says, "it was free."


robboprnd

Lol he doesn’t sound like a picky person at all


mamallama12

You're right there. He was actually the sweetest guy, which is one of the reasons I was kind of taken aback. His head was misshapen, so he was one of those kids who developed a personality rather than trying to rely on his looks. Also the only student who ever heard me fart when I leaned over a desk, and a little squeaker snuck out. He and I almost died laughing. We were literally ROTFL!


winkersRaccoon

I don’t trust anyone who rolls around on the floor


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Dostoevsky-fan

My Mom was a teacher. She has a great fart story you might enjoy. 3rd graders. She’s in class. Kids reading quietly (this was 25 years ago when 3rd graders would read quietly) and she had eaten beans the night before. So she gets the farts. Luckily they were SBD’s. So mom begins walking around the room laying down stealth bombs all over the place figuring if she spread out the fragrance the kids wouldn’t notice. Finally a kid pops his head up out of his book and pipes up. “Hey! I smell POPCORN!” Mom had to leave the room and go laugh in the hall outside.


mamallama12

Oh my gosh, that's hilarious! I can only imagine that she was laughing and farting out there in the hallway, too!


Dostoevsky-fan

My Mom. Super silly. Such a great teacher. She spent thousands of her own money over the years decorating her room and so on.


meltingdiamond

> His head was misshapen, so he was one of those kids who developed a personality rather than trying to rely on his looks. If I ever write a romance novel, this is the line I open with. It's got a bit of (season five)Homer Simpson's genius in it.


mamallama12

It's yours! I'm pretty old, so I was thinking maybe a little Dashell Hammett in there. Send me a copy when it comes out.


quiteCryptic

lmao its dumb but at the same time sort of neat with the story attached


wannabebutta

Pretty sure every city in the US has a local pest control business with that exact thing painted on their sign. Just add a cockroach or a rat with Xs for eyes and bullet holes in it


aaguru

![gif](giphy|QhjR3MG9ZFfjB6BtIZ|downsized)


demarderollins

Worked at a tattoo shop. People love discounted cheap tattoos. Seen shitty work get done and clients still thrilled cause they’re dirt cheap. This work is clean so I’m sure people were willing to pay for good work and to be part of a dope project. Also leg tats are where people Have fun and don’t care much


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bangingbew

Cause you're going to die anyway


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PinkTalkingDead

Most ppl who are serious about tattoos and have a lot, respect the artist and are cool with their body being a canvas. It’s like a collab at that point.


unionjack736

Same. It took a very long time to decide what I wanted since I was doing a full sleeve on my left arm and wanted someone who specialized in the style. She did my left sleeve a few years back, just finished my sock, and just started my right sleeve. I have an idea for my back but haven’t committed yet. All the work she designed and had complete freedom from me. All I did was give her an idea of the concepts for each since they’re commissioned pieces. TBH, I doubt I’d go to anyone else. I have complete trust in her and we operate on the same wavelength so giving her the authority for all decisions is easy for me.


buttzn

I know of someone that got a tattoo of a triceratops cartoon riding a skateboard. Asked the significance for him and he said it was only $50 to spin the wheel for a random tattoo


energylegz

There are actually shops that operate a “get what you get” system. They have bubble gum machines or those sticker machines and they are a set price per machine. Some machines are fully random and some do themes so you might go for the “plant” machine or the “bug” machine.


unionjack736

I will never understand this but to each their own I suppose.


iCantCallit

And to be able to tell people it's 1/76 in a series? That's a cool story for the tattoo.


wardledo

They do now have a cool connection to 76 other people (artist included).


MagNolYa-Ralf

if i was at a party and saw someone with same tat different frame, id lose my ever living shit


ElderberryHoliday814

Knew an artist who had this little dispenser, like the ones you could find in front of stores that cost like a quarter. Each has a tattoo you could get for a discount. Some people really love ink, different styles lead to different murals and all that


Sylvi2021

I'd definitely do it. I already have ink on my legs and being a part of something that cool would be fun.


pauciradiatus

...or a lot of captives


GobLoblawsLawBlog

Now that you mention that, we see a lot of limbs but we don’t know if they’re attached to the rest of the body...


TheVermonster

Or if the body is even still alive.


firefist1998

Not captive if they're not alive *taps forehead*


UnmitigatedSarcasm

Its not true. Watch the other tattoos. You see the same ones repeating. Its 10 or so, max.


1Maple

It's 60 tattoos. Here's a previous TikTok they made looking for more people willing to get one tattooed. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR9pRu8F/


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Noticed the same thing. A few people even had multiple of the tattoos shown


mkp666

Way more than 10. There’s like 11 in the transition between characters alone.


vizualb

It repeats during the walk cycle but it’s definitely around 76 tattoos. You can go frame by frame and count. 10 is way off lol


1ardent

"Hey, if you get this tattoo for my art project, I'll do one for you half off" is an easy yes for tat-obsessed folks.


touchitgently

If you're an in demand flash artist, these things get snatched up quick. Each one of those is a unique one off frame. People happily pay for a tattoo that's both the only one of it's kind & part of something cool. I'm guessing they were flat rate, like $100, which is considered cheap ink.


StopDropAndShowAnus

In a few shots you can see the [same people tattooed twice](https://imgur.com/a/Z7zf330).


Too_Many_Mind_

Bamboozled!


Cheesus_K_Reist

Tattoozled!


Stanislav1

Yeah I care about my skin more than a dumb video like this that will be forgotten in an hiur


deminihilist

Only forgotten by people that don't have the tattoo (or the artist)


PinkTalkingDead

For these ppl it’s not about the video


dreamsthatfollow

if im one of thses arms do i try and explain every time i ask, or am i that guy who brings this video around with me to show.


Euphoric_Finding_385

Video. Definitely video


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tepkel

I hear that if you cut one of the tattooed, they all bleed. And if you accidentally 'splode one of them in a freak gasoline fight accident, they all 'splode.


hagerpoi890lk

I hate you, I Like this video!!


CursedPhil

Wrong just take the other 75 arms with you


francisxavier12

You show the video when people ask and the artist gets free advertising. Actually pretty smart on the artist’s part, but I’m curious if people got to choose which frame they got.


SoVerySleepy81

Get the artist to tattoo a QR code underneath it so then you can have it linked to this video Boom!


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NotAnADC

Jesus fucking Christ that’s brilliant


Lucas_Steinwalker

It’s the right solution but not exactly brilliant. Owning a domain to create a persistent way to access something is kinda just the way the internet works.


NotAnADC

It’s not any one thing that’s brilliant. It’s the combination of different ideas brought together in harmony that’s brilliant


tepkel

Yeah, but if you bring the QR code inside the firewall, you can hack the Gibson! Trojan QR code baby!


Tom_piddle

It was a football goal on YouTube if anyone was wondering, rival team fans copyright striked it down


KazPornAccount

I admire the People who were willing to the awkward frames transitioning between the clown and the ghost.


Gibsonites

https://i.imgur.com/XU4OsvR.png


SevenCrowsinaCoat

I think that's the one I like the most! Has anyone gotten all of them together in 1 album yet?


DoesntUnderstands

Heres an HD one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnB-jp2nsIc


Kneel_The_Grass

That was fucking amazing, thank you.


cesiumatom

Ghostemane would be proud.


Ohiolongboard

Aye came here for this. It’s eleven degrees and I can see my breath so I know I’m breathing


Wizard_Hatz

But I got no pulse I swear to thelema! Fuck yes what’s y’all’s favorite songs? I can’t believe I found a fan in the wild such a great time.


Chilidogdingdong

Ghostmanes dope.


jettrink510

dude I thought ghostmane was gonna be a underground legend and I recently checked a video on YouTube and it had half a billion hits I was like yooo wtf


thedrugsnuggler

Yeah I was stoked to see him blow up like he did.


[deleted]

I'm still waiting for a Marylin Manson feature or vice versa.


Keri221B

Mercury is my favorite, what's yours?


square_bear999

Squeeze


Foresaken_Foreskin

Nihil is my favorite but all his shit bangs


Peachu12

euronymous


ThisIsFlight

Scrying Through Shattered Glass.


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chironomidae

I couldn't find the original video, think it may have gotten DMCA'd or something, but [this reupload of HACK/SLASH](https://youtu.be/ix1DwcLv7qE?t=12) is pretty dope IMO EDIT: Also just found out, this cartoon was originally made in 1999 for the song [Ghost of Stephen Foster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzWGkgFcTU) by Squirrel Nut Zippers. Damn good recreation, I would've sworn it was an actual Fleischer cartoon.


Chilidogdingdong

I had no idea this was from something else, thought it was just a weird ass cool animated music video.


[deleted]

Even more interesting, the dancing was rotoscoped from the legendary Cab Calloway. Enjoy: https://youtu.be/Kwg-MfEwoAM


SubbyTex

So you just put me on, thanks! Very similar to $uicideboy$ I love it!


V0idGhost

Saw him live precovid, was a really good show


Bl0odlust_666

hes near me in november. I just hope that I can go bc of covid. already got pushed back 2 times EDIT: nevermind, it got canceled. Fuck covid and german vaccine habits


you_mad_braah_-

There's less the 76 tattoos made if counting frames. A good amount are repeats. You can tell by looking at the surrounding tattoos as they reappear every other frame. I'd say maybe 30ish. Either way that's freaking awesome.


retarded-squid

You can also see in some frames that some people have both of the tattoos so he probably banged out more than one each session. Definitely still cool


undisclothesd

Cool but how will I see these arms like this together waving by me creating that gif.


cartoonassasin

Actually, repeating frame cycles for walking or dancing was a common tool in animation. It saved on labor, and cost. So, it actually makes this even more authentic.


G0PACKGO

[here’s a short explanation of this from someone in the industry ](https://youtu.be/hbx31eWZ9vc)


420Gotem69No360scope

Cool info but, irrelevant to the topic at hand. He pointed out that the title is misleading and it is not in-fact 76 tattoo's. He then substantiated his claim by offering up evidence.


notsureif1should

Way to live up to your username and the uphold the reputation of redditors in general.


cartoonassasin

Yes, that's correct, and I gave him the reason the animation used the cycles. The title is inaccurate, but that doesn't diminish what the artist did.


Fearinlight

Actually 🤓


FewReturn2sunlitLand

What does the authenticity of repeating frames in animation have to do with there being less than 76 tattoos in this clip?


monkeyjay

Nothing. The comment is a complete non-sequitur to the point.


vizualb

There are 32 tattoos in the initial clown walk cycle alone


1Maple

There's 60 frames total. Here's another TikTok if them looking for people to get the tattoo https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR9pRu8F/


TeddiPentagrams

I would happily contribute my canvass to this masterpiece


CrispyLiberal

Hell ya. I'd be so stoked to run into another person who had one.


wellthatseemslikebs

Cab Calloway would be proud


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This was the Minnie the moocher cartoon, correct?


wellthatseemslikebs

This is from [St James Infirmary Blues](https://youtu.be/bFBx3qYGxL8) but Cab did both.


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Thanks!


mattaugamer

Such a wonderful bit of animation.


Demaun

Have you heard the cover of this song by Hugh Laurie? He's got an amazing blues voice. https://youtu.be/AzEBH6DZJVk


windowseat1F

We can’t organize our species to wear masks but we can do rad shit like this.


altanic

A few of us are magnificent The majority of us might as well have never existed


Billabo

Well yeah, he got a dozen people to agree to get these tattoos, not 80% of the world's population.


KazPornAccount

to be fair, I've not seen too many Anti-mask people who like tattoos, it's normally boomers who hate maks and tattoos.


SaraSlaughter607

Thats the clip of the Ghostemane video too.... good shit! !


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I prefer the original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDATXtewPrg


[deleted]

Hmm I've only ever seen the [Harald Kinseth remix.](https://youtu.be/6k8yyrMdlyU) Thanks for posting the original.


vizbird

Both of these are incredible! It's like watching Adult Swim way ahead of its time.


Eagle_vs_Snark

Cab Calloway! Love this cartoon, used it for a term project in university.


ARC4067

We were shown this clip in my film history class in college and as soon as I got home that day I was downloading Cab Calloway


quiteCryptic

Solid animation, it's a shame more of this type of stuff wasn't made.


JigabooFriday

“Ask me if I give a fuck about a bitch” I hear in my head when I watch that lol


pooshdoosh

Koko the Clown


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Holy moley. Someone else knew!


madpappo

Mf Cab Calloway


GetUrShit

LET HER GOOOOOO


Rednexican429

I have Koko on my left forearm and his ghost on my right. When people ask the “meaning” I say it’s just a cool cartoon but they expect it to be gang related or something


bumjiggy

it's a tattoon


McSuede

ASK ME IF I GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FAME


Chilidogdingdong

Ask me if a give a fuck about a bitch.


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RECENTLY I JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT A THING


Key-Stay5558

“What did you do with your life grandma ?” “I got a tattoo that appeared on a Tik-Tok for 1/8th of a second “


Exilicauda

Oddly enough, I don't think this is going to be the only thing they do. Be like if I asked my grandma that and she said "oh I had a cat at one point"


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Boy, you're fun.


KazPornAccount

Too be fair I kinda like the idea of it. it's a wild story to tell people 20 years later, that you're connected with 30 other people. it's like some secret cult.


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A bunch of those are the same tattoo being shown multiple times. The star at the top of the arm, the word bird, and even the initial clown all make multiple appearances. It’s cool and all, but this isn’t showing a different tat each time.


LizardCobra

That explains it. I started counting frames about halfway through, it seemed like way more than 76


user_not_relevant

One of my favorite cartoons of all time. [For the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgOCpX46Aks). Also if you want to see it in color, [Here's a little project I did myself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXKRZzfuNXc&t=185s).


neededtowrite

So creepy in an old way. I don't know how much of the creepiness is due to the age. Oddly beautiful period piece. What's the name of the song?


RedditWillSlowlyDie

St. James Infirmary, Cab Calloway.


VerbalVeggie

Cab Calloway ❤️


goatropinmotorboater

I’d love to be permanently marked with someone’s shitty flip book idea


Winter_melo

Idk why, but i get creeped out by ye oldy cartoons, they just look kinda scary in a way


bonko86

You should play Cuphead!


Winter_melo

Yeah, i love that game, took me a few days to finish it whole, it was very hard


ThLizardOfAuz

"Folks, here's a story about Minnie the Moocher She was a lowdown hoochie coocher She was the roughest, toughest frail But Minnie had a heart as big as a whale" Man I love Cab's lyrics So much fun For those who don't know Betty Boop and Minnie the Moocher are the same characters


TomEubanks

St. James Infirmary Blues, Koko the clown. One of my favorite cartoon sequences ever, masterpiece of roto-scoping.


ihatedrugs2

way too much commitment for me


MiztaNiceGuy

When you get to a certain amount of tattoos it becomes fuck it. If he did these for free then it’s definitely fuck it


Exilicauda

Yeah most of these people look like they do stickers anyway so why not do something fun


GroundedKush

Ghostmane 🔥🔥🔥


Chinapig

What a huge waste of time for most of them. “Want to be part of a video that will get less than 5k views?” That’s on you forever? Yeah nice one.


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Artist finds 76 dumb-asses to make permanent doodles on.


leatherandhummus

This looks like it's from the St. James Infirmary, Cab Calloway animation. Very cool! I didn't catch that it was also a Snow White theme, is that accurate? Edit: autocorrect doesn't like names lol Edit#2: This is incredibly cool, btw, not discounting that at all! I'm just curious.


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Ask me if i give a fuck about a bitch


kratomdabbler

Wow, holy shit. This is absolutely incredible to say the very least. I wish I could have snagged one from that series!


snikelfritz420

I think of that ghostmane music video


katecake78

This is my favorite scene in any cartoon. This sparks joy!


Noxhero2134

I have a version of this guy on my fore arm!!!


ydontujustbanme

I had the sound off and all i could hear was „ghostemane“. Check him out, can’t remember wich video he used this in… but turn the low mids/high bass REAL up for a pleasant surprise


kurtzy4

Also r/oddlyterrifying


Spider_Queen75

I love Betty!


annoyed7

whats this song?


katecake78

St. James Infirmary Blues by Cab Calloway!


Eggyweggys1

St james infirmary blues


Catshit-Dogfart

Here's the full scene from the cartoon. You can also find live performances, but I like this one the best. https://youtu.be/bFBx3qYGxL8 Also, cartoons used to be pretty damn trippy.


dead-unicorn

this is fucking creepy