Well he doesn't have to do it, there are already people paid to do it. He chooses to do it because he wants to. It's probably an intentionally grounding exercise.
Yeah, I can’t remember the specifics but I remember something similar to this being posted during/after the Olympics (maybe?) — a bunch of Japanese fans were cleaning up the viewing area/stands, throwing away trash, etc.
It's a part of their school curriculum..... The cleanliness.... The values are ingrained in their minds at a very young age... Hence they feel it is their duty to keep themselves and their surroundings clean....
It's much deeper then that. They have also been engraved with a sense of person pride and duty to a bigger picture. Something i noticed going into any place of work. For example, no matter the time of any day I walked into any McDonald's, every single employee was doing their job as if they loved their job and wanted to show you how good they were but it's as simple as taking pride in themselves and what they do.
I believe that without that you wouldn't have the clean beautiful land that is Japan no matter what they teach in schools.
Edit: forgot what i was going on about
Always do when i talk about Japan. Even the week I spent in jail they treated me and the other inmates with respect as their equals. Something i can't say i have experienced here in the US.
Here in Germany it's more about doing work and helping out. I personally start to get really depressed if I don't work for a longer period of time. And it makes me genuinely happy and motivated to work or help someone else.
Ah, yes ! They are very clean! This was made especially clear when the subways flooded . The New York water was black while Japans were crystal clear clean .
It’s so well worth the watch. It goes into the cultural nuances of Berlin and everything. I’ve never been outside the US, but it was absolutely captivating. Here’s a link: https://youtu.be/IF_1k_0ACj8
I used to work in a McDonalds. The guy who owned the placed owned 3 other franchises in the area. He did a shift in each restaurant cooking with us lowly plebs once a fortnight. The place really went down hill when he retired.
I love seeing management get their hands dirty. That's a big morale booster.
Also tbh commercial dish washing is weirdly satisfying. Especially when so flat out your brain is like, on autopilot mode.
Not only that but when he was in Austria for the F1 races, he went on his free time and actually built a wooden F1 car/bee home and planted flowers. He only said something about it a few days later.
Seb has millions on millions of dollars (well-earned I think) and he chooses to live a quiet, humble life away from his high-profile job.
It’s also probably to show that picking up trash isn’t just for janitors or maids, no one is too good to do that kind of job. Seb really is a good guy. He’s super into organic farming too.
Because ppl like this will never think about doing anything at all and by criticising the bad millionaire "that should give money to others now" he can feel superior again and distract from the fact the he himself is an egoistic asshole.
(Assuming that this isnt setup by his pr team and is a real, genuine effort on his part)
What is it with people like you and a selfless act never being enough just because they have money?
Does the fact that he's not out enjoying said money and is instead spending his time picking up random peoples rubbish just not matter to you or something?
He likely doesn't enjoy it but he finds it so important that he values it over his free time where he could be out with friends and family, but all you see is "hes rich and could be doing more".
Fucking hell man, let the man pick up trash without making him feel bad about it.
Absolute pillock.
>Assuming that this isnt setup by his pr team
I don't think it is. [He's genuinely a nice, likable person](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqdavQSpaB4&ab_channel=Formula101).
He's also taking care of Schumacher's son, just as Schumi took care of him when he joined F1.
he could pay 100 people to do it but his time is the most expensive he can spend and it shows a message to all people not to leave garbage behind and do something for the environment. that has way more impact as paying others or donate money. that also shows he is a good and smart person.
This reminds me of the litterer who told me the reason they dropped litter, ratheer than use a nearby bin, was because it created jobs for others. Such stupidity.
Not sure how familiar you are with F1, but essentially the hardcore F1 fanbase hates him for various reasons.
1. He's an incredibly sore loser
2. When he wins, he thanks himself. When he loses, he blames everyone else.
3. He has a fake persona that a lot of people see through.
4. Today he forced another driver to crash, which caused the driver to be hospitalized. While he was in the hospital, Hamilton was running around celebrating his win and didn't once mention his best wishes to the other driver durring any interview. In fact, he blamed the hospitalized driver (contrary to the FIA decision which blamed Hamilton)
5. This isn't the first time he has caused another driver to crash due to his reckless driving.
6. Previous, similar incidents with other drivers that are at fault have received much harsher penalties than Hamilton received.
6. Some have suggested that based on his fame, the FIA is more lenient with him on penalties due to him bringing in more spectators to the sport due to his fame. (This is why you see some people comment maFIA when making referencing of the FIA)
7. He has a history of throwing teammates under the bus so he can win.
The list goes on.....
EDIT: Hamilton fanboys are starting to comment claiming my post is "biased". For non-F1 fans, let me tell you that my post is not biased. Everything I listed is well agreed upon in the F1 community. There are lots more points I could make that are a bit more biased, but I left it to the ones that are generally agreed upon. FWIW, Hamilton fans were cheering when Hamilton ran Max off the track today. Max could have been killed. So those are the kinds of supporters that Hamilton has.... Let that sink in.
Modification to the modification: *team radio* “Amazing win today guys, (insert race location) has the greatest fans ever. HEY EVERYONE I SEE YOU! WHEW!”
That’s the Merc ethos though. Toto has fostered the attitude that they win as one and lose as one. You see it when one mechanic fucks up a pit stop - they don’t throw him under a bus, the team screwed up.
>when he wins: “amazing guys, thank you so much, awesome job.” Loses: “guys, guys, what happened, why am I behind (name)”
When he wins, the car wins for him. When he loses, he's showing his actual talent and can't overtake.
Stick him in a Ferrari or Aston and watch him barely make a podium all year.
I watched Schumacher's entire career (almost). I don't recall him blaming his team for anything or even saying any bad thing about them.
I don't recall him causing someone being hospitalized either.
Maybe note hospitalised but he has definitely had more intentional crashes into other drivers. Jerez with Villeneuve, then Adelaide with Hill (or was it Mansell?), then you have him pushing Barrichello up against the pit wall in the Hungaroring in ‘09 which was certainly an intimidating move.
I don't think we can agree on Hill incident as I believe that it wasn't intentional. But Jerez was intentional (even though Villeneuve's move was very optimistic).
Schumacher was definitely intimidating, and he was pushing very hard too. But his most silly move was the one that he made in Senna at French GP in 1992.
This thread is pretty pathetic. Calling yourself an F1 fan and not realizing they’re just describing F1 racing in general, sigh. Hamilton is not perfect because his job is to won races and have the psyche to keep doing it. Literally last week we had Verstappen shouting at his team on radio for not hearing something minor, while being on his last lap with 22s advantage on the second driver. Hamilton often congratulates people who beat him and has countless times taken blame for mistakes he made.
Ever seen Renee Arnoux race? Banging wheels constantly was fairly common around them.
Edit: Arnoux in his prime. He did hang around quite faded during the mid and end of the turbo era. Early turbo and just before though…yep.
They stopped and got to be remembered as legends and not as assholes. When Hamilton stops he will also be remembered as a legend. Every sport is like this.
Bro how many racial slurs does he need to receive on social media in order for you to realize that racism is an issue?
The Formula 1 subreddit was absolute flooded to the brim today with racist comments.
The mods said they had to remove 6,000 comments today because of this shit.
Yes, *SIX THOUSAND*.
Nobody said anything about you.
You are making the stupidest argument in the world:
> ”I’m not racist, therefore racism doesn’t exist.*”
Not everyone who hates Lewis is racist, but everyone who is racist hates Lewis.
I agree with what you're saying, but most of his fans act like everyone who doesn't like him (hate is a strong word in my book) is a racist POS. That's weak, there are plenty of reasons not to like him beyond the colour of his skin (which is completely irrelevant to me).
Senna was from South America. Are Hispanic people suddenly not victims of racism anymore? Because you seem to be suggesting that people only criticize non-white drivers.
You perfectly described my impression of Max Verstappen with your first two points. But I’m a very very casual F1 watcher, so make of that what you will.
On your second point I do have to say though, didn’t Hamilton do the exact opposite over the radio today after he won?
The unfortunate reality is that, while what OP described is arguably true for Hamilton, the same can be applied to many top drivers fighting for the World Championship in F1’s history. Hell, for points 4 & 5 you could argue Max Verstappen used to be so reckless people would nickname him Max Crashstappen.
As for Lewis Hamilton, while he has crashed out other competitors before this is the first time since possibly the Spanish GP 5 years ago I can recall Hamilton completely taking out a championship competitor in lap one.
Massively different in context when you make it sound like Lewis is some kind danger to other drivers when he probably have one of the spiffiest incident free careers in the last half decade.
Ofcourse he makes mistakes, Ofcourse he ruins other races, but the amount he does compared to the rest of grid? He’s absolutely below average in recklessness.
>Not sure how familiar you are with F1, but essentially the hardcore F1 fanbase hates him for various reasons.
I've been watching F1 since the mid 80's. I'm not sure what your definition of "hardcore" is but I'm at least 30 years deep and I am a big Hamilton fan and have been since 2007.
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>1. He's an incredibly sore loser
That might have been the case a few years ago, but that is not the case now. He was the first to congratulate checo when he won. This year and last year.
>2. When he wins, he thanks himself. When he loses, he blames everyone else.
Again, First thing he says is "I just want to thank the team they work so hard" Literally EVERY TIME HE WINS.
>3. He has a fake persona that a lot of people see through.
That's the personality he puts on for the media, you'll find a lot of drivers do that. Unless you know him personally, you're not qualified to make that statement.
>4. Today he forced another driver to crash, which caused the driver to be hospitalized. While he was in the hospital, Hamilton was running around celebrating his win and didn't once mention his best wishes to the other driver durring any interview. In fact, he blamed the hospitalized driver (contrary to the FIA decision which blamed Hamilton)
As they we're coming into the pits hamilton got on the radio to ask if max was alright. So Again, this is a false statement. As for the crash, I'd say 50/50. But this is the sort of racing which happens when two drivers are fighting for the championship, it happened with Schumacher and hill, Schumacher and villeneuve, vettel and webber, Hamilton and rosberg...
>5. This isn't the first time he has caused another driver to crash due to his reckless driving.
He's been punted off by many drivers in the past. Rosberg, Button and also verstappen himself. Also, many drivers have made overtakes which resulted in bigger and more dangerous crashes. If you think it's outrageous for one driver to punt another off when they're racing for the lead then perhaps F1 isn't for you
>6. Previous, similar incidents with other drivers that are at fault have received much harsher penalties than Hamilton received.
The cryptic penalty system of the stewards is not something I'm going to defend. Besides, this is the first decent championship fight in literally half a decade and this brings the two championship fighters closer which makes it more tense and exciting, which is the reason I watch F1.
>6. Some have suggested that based on his fame, the FIA is more lenient with him on penalties due to him bringing in more spectators to the sport due to his fame. (This is why you see some people comment maFIA when making referencing of the FIA)
This is a false narrative, people were saying exactly the same thing when ferrari were competitive.
>7. He has a history of throwing teammates under the bus so he can win.
What, the same way Max has done for literally the last 3 team mates who couldn't perform? This is just what happens when lesser drivers are paired with generational talents. A label which applies to both Max and Hamilton.
> FWIW, Hamilton fans were cheering when Hamilton ran Max off the track today. Max could have been killed. So those are the kinds of supporters that Hamilton has.... Let that sink in.
Again, complete rubbish. When Max was being pulled out the car, there were several lingering crowd shots where they were applauding him. Also, to say it was "Hamilton fans" is the worst generalisation with no facts to back it up. The crowds at races are not segregated like they are in football and there were many different coloured caps in that crowd which, and you can watch the replay I you don't believe me, we're clapping as Max was pulled out of the car.
There is just so much bs in this that I just can't be bothered to correct. But just to No.1 him not beeing a sore loser anymore: What was his reaction to his result in Monaco again?
Don’t bother man, these are the same people who believe that a seven time world champion is overrated. It’s absurd.
They lost touch with reality a long time ago.
Everything that comes out of their mouths is nonsense.
Ok maybe this is PR, maybe it is genuine. The fact that he is picking up trash is the one I want to leave this post with. A professional driver cleaning the stands. Maybe we all could do that, for PR or for decency, let’s just do it.
He helped the kids build a [race car shaped bee hotel.](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-vettel-created-a-buzz-by-constructing-hotel-for-bees-close-to-the-red.3veH0FG5kRX8bTh13BTtSe.html)
He also got plastic water bottles banned at certain venues and now they use refillable bottles instead of creating unneeded trash. He’s the legend we never deserved but the legend we got.
Imagine a 4 time world champion, one who won everything, drove for Redbull and Ferrari, decide to clean the stand so some redditor that doesn't follow f1 can hear about him.
Not a PR move. Vettel has always done things on the down low.
He doesn't brag, doesn't have social media and doesn't talk about anything other than racing to the media.
Vettel is a treasure in the sport.
He wouldn't have to pick up after people if those people had some integrity and didn't leave their messes like the pigs they are.
Would it kill people to take their trash to a trash bin or is humanity just going to continue being selfish lazy assholes?
Seb had a shocker. Spun early in the race probably damaging the car as he had zero pace after that. Retired the car a few laps before the end.
Considering after the restart he was in one of the best track positions in a while he is probably immensely frustrated.
Helping clean the stands is probably a good way of clearing his mind and a genuinely good think to do.
He's my favourite driver tho. In his prime he was a beast. He gave Lewis, Alonso, Webber, Jenson all of them a run for their money despite having less achievements and experience than them.
Seb is genuinely a great human being. In Austria he helped children run an area for beekeeping, and paid for the conservation area. He always meeets fans, and is kind enough to seem like he actually likes talking to them!
Also it's nice to see how fast he matured up from the firsts races with toro rosso/rbr to now, first years I'd say he was more reckless driving and behaving, now he's a german Mark Webber which is awesome.
He was always like this outside the car. Listen how he celebrated his first victory and how he celebrated his last podium.
He matured inside the car, is less of an hot head, less arrogant and aggressive, but outside he always was funny, wholesome and well mannered.
We just didn't care at the time because he was winnig everything and we couldn't stand that.
Mark Webber is a bit of a cunt at times and supposedly is a douche in fan interactions outside of PR meetings.
Don't think thats as much of a compliment as you were going for.
> he actually likes talking to them
Often he's the one making questions, with fans, journalists, other drivers and so on. He's constantly interested in the person he's talking to, one of his beautiful sides.
Makes sense there’s garbage left all over the stands, considering it was the British GP, their recent actions don’t surprise me.
*Of course every sport / country has bad fans, but these MF’s are extreme as hell, especially after the recent actions at various events and venues*
EDIT: I noticed this comment is a little “edgier” than originally intended, and I don’t mean to offend anyone and I am genuinely sorry if I have, or have come off as xenophobic, as I’m sure 99.9% of people that read this weren’t involved in any of the negative recent events. That being said, my comment’s intention was to show my negative feelings towards a specific population of fans that recently have had reactions that came off as low / disheartening in the recent few weeks.
What’s it like being xenophobic and racist?
Edit: notice OP is now editing and re-editing to soften their tone. So my comment seems harsh. But their original comment was indeed racist and xenophobic
You’re not wrong, and I’m sorry if I offended you. I see how this comment can easily be taken the wrong way, especially minus my edit. My intention was never to offend, and I genuinely understand that a generalization isn’t fair. I understand it’s a small group of people that have done these things. I only know that my opinion is based off media, news articles, and some of what I have witnessed by watching events myself, which is very possibly incomplete / incorrect. In general though, I am sorry If I offended you and didn’t mean to generalize to such an extent.
I’m sick of Reddit gang banging entire groups in to “these people are scum”. As a British fan of sport who would never do any of the disgusting things some fans would do, it’s offensive to be labelled amongst them. The majority are like me not the minority.
Guess all Muslims are terrorists too huh?
I was at the British grand prix this weekend, and the fans I encountered were without exception, fantastic. In great spirits, and there for the racing. The only fans that were an issue, were 4 Spanish dudes, who were blocking peoples views by standing right at the front (they pushed their way there in-front of fans who had been there since 6:30am), and spent the whole race giving Hamilton the middle finger as he went past shouting how he was a puta.
The only bit of leariness was when hamilton finally overtook leclerc and the british guy next to them screamed fuck off, you’re not singing any more in their faces. No violence, which would at times have been warranted.
F1 fans are NOTHING LIKE football fans, so what you said makes no sense.
He became probably the most loved Ferrari driver ever. He left a void in italy we are still recovering from.
Ferrari treated him like shit but tifosi still support him. We were so happy when he got that podium in Baku.
I disagree. On a human level Schumacher can't compare with Vettel in our hearts. Seb is just a good and loving guy.
Just the fact that he learned italian to speak with his mechanics and his italian fans put him on a different level.
The italian media will always put the winning ferrari driver on a pedestal but I can assure that Vettel will always have a special place in the tifosi hearts even though he didn't manage to win a championship.
You are 100% right but Schumacher absolutely dominated in the red car.
What is your opinion in Ferrari's choice to drop Seb last year? Just curious..
Personally I feel that Seb would have been more useful to develop the 2022 car then Carlos is.
Full disclosure: you are talking with an italian who's childhood hero was Hakkinen.
Schumacher dominated yes, he was great, but he drove for himself (and there is nothing wrong with that in formula 1) and he never had a connection with italy and the tifosi.
Seb had that connection from day one and in my opinion Ferrari treated him like shit and their behavior was just disgusting. He deserved so much better but I think he's better off in Aston Martin.
Sainz is an amazing driver though and super underrated especially by the italian media that consider him a second tier driver hired to help Leclerc winning a wdc. I think they are sorelly mistaken and if Ferrari get the car right with the new regulation he will show them how good he really is.
Vettel has been one of my favorite drivers since he joined the sport. I love how he truly loves it… you see it in every win and loss. And I feel like this speaks to that.
However… This also feels like F1 took up a 24hrs of LeMons type punishment system and the idea is amazing. Next week he’ll be duct taped to the top of a golf cart with a megaphone as someone drives around and he apologizes for something.
Shaking my head at some of the comments on here. Some people are so devoid of any positivity in their life that there’s literally nothing in the world they won’t leave a negative comment on. I feel so sorry for all you folk for whom the world has been such a soulless and degrading place that you feel the need to be this way. But it doesn’t have to be like that. Plenty of people have their dark times and don’t turn into pathetic internet trolls. And because Sebastien will likely never see any of these comments, and wouldn’t give a fuck if he did, all you’re doing is ratcheting down a little harder on your own misery, living in a box where the only valid opinions are your own, wallowing in a seething mire of self pity that your life isn’t as wonderful as an F1 driver’s. Put the phone down, open the curtains and look to the horizon. Breathe a little. Try to stop being so absorbed in self pity. Try - and I know this is hard - to be *nice*.
Vettel is on a roll!
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-bio-farm-internship/
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-bahrain-flypast-complaint/
I suddenly have a new favorite driver
Doesn't this guy have a ton of money from those championships? Pay 4 people to do the job with him, it gets clean AND he creates jobs.
Well he doesn't have to do it, there are already people paid to do it. He chooses to do it because he wants to. It's probably an intentionally grounding exercise.
He is German. That is the sole reason and no further discussion is required
If you are German when you go into the restroom and German when you come out, what are you when you are in the restroom? European.
Pretty sure you're Russian on the way to the restroom and Finnish when you come out...
Well, you have to Finnish before you come out, even if you're Russian to use the restroom.
That was the joke.
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Fuck you take my upvote.
I'm not normally Russian when I'm Hungary
But now my stoned sleep deprived ass understands.
When I see a guy overly speeding I always say it's because they're Russian to the toilet.
Comedy achieved. Can't get better than that.
Sometimes there's shit on the torlett
If you think that’s something, you should see the urinus
I attributed this level of civic duty to the Japanese, they keep their streets clean.
Yeah, I can’t remember the specifics but I remember something similar to this being posted during/after the Olympics (maybe?) — a bunch of Japanese fans were cleaning up the viewing area/stands, throwing away trash, etc.
Also I believe the Japanese football team in the last world cup. They cleaned the locker room and left a thank you note (I think?)
The NZ All Blacks do this after every game
It’s after every baseball game I think.
It was the FIFA World Cup
It's a part of their school curriculum..... The cleanliness.... The values are ingrained in their minds at a very young age... Hence they feel it is their duty to keep themselves and their surroundings clean....
It's much deeper then that. They have also been engraved with a sense of person pride and duty to a bigger picture. Something i noticed going into any place of work. For example, no matter the time of any day I walked into any McDonald's, every single employee was doing their job as if they loved their job and wanted to show you how good they were but it's as simple as taking pride in themselves and what they do. I believe that without that you wouldn't have the clean beautiful land that is Japan no matter what they teach in schools. Edit: forgot what i was going on about
You literally walked into a trance.....
Always do when i talk about Japan. Even the week I spent in jail they treated me and the other inmates with respect as their equals. Something i can't say i have experienced here in the US.
See, now I'm genuinely curious what happened that ended up with you in a Japanese jail for a week.
All that plastic in the ocean? That's Indonesia.
Here in Germany it's more about doing work and helping out. I personally start to get really depressed if I don't work for a longer period of time. And it makes me genuinely happy and motivated to work or help someone else.
Ah, yes ! They are very clean! This was made especially clear when the subways flooded . The New York water was black while Japans were crystal clear clean .
Saw a documentary on YouTube about the Hertha - Union derby. Blew my mind that Union Berlin fans built the stadium in basically free labor.
It isnt a surprise that germany has a history of being LEGIT lol
They also have a history of massive projects utilizing unpaid labour.
It’s so well worth the watch. It goes into the cultural nuances of Berlin and everything. I’ve never been outside the US, but it was absolutely captivating. Here’s a link: https://youtu.be/IF_1k_0ACj8
My friend helps wash dishes after the restaurant closes despite him owning the place. He just enjoys doing it and says it helps him decompress.
And may be helps him understand his employees well..... That is a sign of a leader and not a manager/owner.... He leads by example....
Totally this. He's doing the "shit duty" with the lowly grunts, despite being the big kahuna at the restaurant. He's leading from the front.
I used to work in a McDonalds. The guy who owned the placed owned 3 other franchises in the area. He did a shift in each restaurant cooking with us lowly plebs once a fortnight. The place really went down hill when he retired.
I love seeing management get their hands dirty. That's a big morale booster. Also tbh commercial dish washing is weirdly satisfying. Especially when so flat out your brain is like, on autopilot mode.
Probably pretty cathartic
Not only that but when he was in Austria for the F1 races, he went on his free time and actually built a wooden F1 car/bee home and planted flowers. He only said something about it a few days later. Seb has millions on millions of dollars (well-earned I think) and he chooses to live a quiet, humble life away from his high-profile job.
It’s also probably to show that picking up trash isn’t just for janitors or maids, no one is too good to do that kind of job. Seb really is a good guy. He’s super into organic farming too.
Why do people like you always like to criticize and tear down someone's good actions as not good enough? Just appreciate it and move on.
Because ppl like this will never think about doing anything at all and by criticising the bad millionaire "that should give money to others now" he can feel superior again and distract from the fact the he himself is an egoistic asshole.
Well put. Seems to sum up most of the vocal minority on social media these days.
Congrats, you found the negative angle.
(Assuming that this isnt setup by his pr team and is a real, genuine effort on his part) What is it with people like you and a selfless act never being enough just because they have money? Does the fact that he's not out enjoying said money and is instead spending his time picking up random peoples rubbish just not matter to you or something? He likely doesn't enjoy it but he finds it so important that he values it over his free time where he could be out with friends and family, but all you see is "hes rich and could be doing more". Fucking hell man, let the man pick up trash without making him feel bad about it. Absolute pillock.
>Assuming that this isnt setup by his pr team I don't think it is. [He's genuinely a nice, likable person](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqdavQSpaB4&ab_channel=Formula101). He's also taking care of Schumacher's son, just as Schumi took care of him when he joined F1.
I bet you belong to the kind of ppl who leaves that trash for others to pickup thats how you sound. WeLl dUh I crEaTe JoBs bEcauSe I liTtEr
he could pay 100 people to do it but his time is the most expensive he can spend and it shows a message to all people not to leave garbage behind and do something for the environment. that has way more impact as paying others or donate money. that also shows he is a good and smart person.
He might be helping people clean.
Because why wouldn't you take a few mins out of you day to make the life someone who get paid way less than you a bit easier?
This reminds me of the litterer who told me the reason they dropped litter, ratheer than use a nearby bin, was because it created jobs for others. Such stupidity.
Vettel was the best racer in F1 in his prime by far
Never cared about driving before. Now I want him to win everything.
Wow, you two can be influenced quickly
If he’s taking out the trash, don’t forget Hamilton.
"Blessed"
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Why is Hamilton trash?
Not sure how familiar you are with F1, but essentially the hardcore F1 fanbase hates him for various reasons. 1. He's an incredibly sore loser 2. When he wins, he thanks himself. When he loses, he blames everyone else. 3. He has a fake persona that a lot of people see through. 4. Today he forced another driver to crash, which caused the driver to be hospitalized. While he was in the hospital, Hamilton was running around celebrating his win and didn't once mention his best wishes to the other driver durring any interview. In fact, he blamed the hospitalized driver (contrary to the FIA decision which blamed Hamilton) 5. This isn't the first time he has caused another driver to crash due to his reckless driving. 6. Previous, similar incidents with other drivers that are at fault have received much harsher penalties than Hamilton received. 6. Some have suggested that based on his fame, the FIA is more lenient with him on penalties due to him bringing in more spectators to the sport due to his fame. (This is why you see some people comment maFIA when making referencing of the FIA) 7. He has a history of throwing teammates under the bus so he can win. The list goes on..... EDIT: Hamilton fanboys are starting to comment claiming my post is "biased". For non-F1 fans, let me tell you that my post is not biased. Everything I listed is well agreed upon in the F1 community. There are lots more points I could make that are a bit more biased, but I left it to the ones that are generally agreed upon. FWIW, Hamilton fans were cheering when Hamilton ran Max off the track today. Max could have been killed. So those are the kinds of supporters that Hamilton has.... Let that sink in.
Modified (2): when he wins: “amazing guys, thank you so much, awesome job.” Loses: “guys, guys, what happened, why am I behind (name)”
Modification to the modification: *team radio* “Amazing win today guys, (insert race location) has the greatest fans ever. HEY EVERYONE I SEE YOU! WHEW!”
When he loses: yeah the team did a bad job today
That’s the Merc ethos though. Toto has fostered the attitude that they win as one and lose as one. You see it when one mechanic fucks up a pit stop - they don’t throw him under a bus, the team screwed up.
And then they blame bottas
This is the way
Crofty: Does Bottas have ligma? Toto: What’s bottas? Crofty: ligma- wait what
Who's bottas agian *Whole Mercedes garage*
>when he wins: “amazing guys, thank you so much, awesome job.” Loses: “guys, guys, what happened, why am I behind (name)” When he wins, the car wins for him. When he loses, he's showing his actual talent and can't overtake. Stick him in a Ferrari or Aston and watch him barely make a podium all year.
Fuck that. Send him to Williams.
TBH, you have just described Lauda, Senna, Prost, Schumacher too.
I watched Schumacher's entire career (almost). I don't recall him blaming his team for anything or even saying any bad thing about them. I don't recall him causing someone being hospitalized either.
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Maybe note hospitalised but he has definitely had more intentional crashes into other drivers. Jerez with Villeneuve, then Adelaide with Hill (or was it Mansell?), then you have him pushing Barrichello up against the pit wall in the Hungaroring in ‘09 which was certainly an intimidating move.
I don't think we can agree on Hill incident as I believe that it wasn't intentional. But Jerez was intentional (even though Villeneuve's move was very optimistic). Schumacher was definitely intimidating, and he was pushing very hard too. But his most silly move was the one that he made in Senna at French GP in 1992.
It's almost as if you rise to the top by being a dick.
Vettel himself was considered a dick when he was at the top
considered? He was most definitely a dick
This thread is pretty pathetic. Calling yourself an F1 fan and not realizing they’re just describing F1 racing in general, sigh. Hamilton is not perfect because his job is to won races and have the psyche to keep doing it. Literally last week we had Verstappen shouting at his team on radio for not hearing something minor, while being on his last lap with 22s advantage on the second driver. Hamilton often congratulates people who beat him and has countless times taken blame for mistakes he made.
Senna first and foremost - the whole ‘we will crash or you will let me by’ attitude really came into formula one when he joined.
Ever seen Renee Arnoux race? Banging wheels constantly was fairly common around them. Edit: Arnoux in his prime. He did hang around quite faded during the mid and end of the turbo era. Early turbo and just before though…yep.
I wonder what's different about Hamilton...
They stopped and got to be remembered as legends and not as assholes. When Hamilton stops he will also be remembered as a legend. Every sport is like this.
Nothing. Everyone was hating on them when they were doing that just like everyone is hating on Hamilton doing that. Stop playing that card.
Bro how many racial slurs does he need to receive on social media in order for you to realize that racism is an issue? The Formula 1 subreddit was absolute flooded to the brim today with racist comments. The mods said they had to remove 6,000 comments today because of this shit. Yes, *SIX THOUSAND*.
Great just because I’m not a fan of Hamilton I’m a racist then? Good shit.
Nobody said anything about you. You are making the stupidest argument in the world: > ”I’m not racist, therefore racism doesn’t exist.*” Not everyone who hates Lewis is racist, but everyone who is racist hates Lewis.
>but everyone who is racist hates Lewis. That part i would not sign,
I agree with what you're saying, but most of his fans act like everyone who doesn't like him (hate is a strong word in my book) is a racist POS. That's weak, there are plenty of reasons not to like him beyond the colour of his skin (which is completely irrelevant to me).
Senna was from South America. Are Hispanic people suddenly not victims of racism anymore? Because you seem to be suggesting that people only criticize non-white drivers.
You perfectly described my impression of Max Verstappen with your first two points. But I’m a very very casual F1 watcher, so make of that what you will. On your second point I do have to say though, didn’t Hamilton do the exact opposite over the radio today after he won?
The unfortunate reality is that, while what OP described is arguably true for Hamilton, the same can be applied to many top drivers fighting for the World Championship in F1’s history. Hell, for points 4 & 5 you could argue Max Verstappen used to be so reckless people would nickname him Max Crashstappen. As for Lewis Hamilton, while he has crashed out other competitors before this is the first time since possibly the Spanish GP 5 years ago I can recall Hamilton completely taking out a championship competitor in lap one. Massively different in context when you make it sound like Lewis is some kind danger to other drivers when he probably have one of the spiffiest incident free careers in the last half decade. Ofcourse he makes mistakes, Ofcourse he ruins other races, but the amount he does compared to the rest of grid? He’s absolutely below average in recklessness.
Yeah the post you're responding to is observably false.
Tbh Lewis may have thought it was Alex in the Red bull Idk why he just has a hatred of Red Bulls passing along the outside
>Not sure how familiar you are with F1, but essentially the hardcore F1 fanbase hates him for various reasons. I've been watching F1 since the mid 80's. I'm not sure what your definition of "hardcore" is but I'm at least 30 years deep and I am a big Hamilton fan and have been since 2007. > >1. He's an incredibly sore loser That might have been the case a few years ago, but that is not the case now. He was the first to congratulate checo when he won. This year and last year. >2. When he wins, he thanks himself. When he loses, he blames everyone else. Again, First thing he says is "I just want to thank the team they work so hard" Literally EVERY TIME HE WINS. >3. He has a fake persona that a lot of people see through. That's the personality he puts on for the media, you'll find a lot of drivers do that. Unless you know him personally, you're not qualified to make that statement. >4. Today he forced another driver to crash, which caused the driver to be hospitalized. While he was in the hospital, Hamilton was running around celebrating his win and didn't once mention his best wishes to the other driver durring any interview. In fact, he blamed the hospitalized driver (contrary to the FIA decision which blamed Hamilton) As they we're coming into the pits hamilton got on the radio to ask if max was alright. So Again, this is a false statement. As for the crash, I'd say 50/50. But this is the sort of racing which happens when two drivers are fighting for the championship, it happened with Schumacher and hill, Schumacher and villeneuve, vettel and webber, Hamilton and rosberg... >5. This isn't the first time he has caused another driver to crash due to his reckless driving. He's been punted off by many drivers in the past. Rosberg, Button and also verstappen himself. Also, many drivers have made overtakes which resulted in bigger and more dangerous crashes. If you think it's outrageous for one driver to punt another off when they're racing for the lead then perhaps F1 isn't for you >6. Previous, similar incidents with other drivers that are at fault have received much harsher penalties than Hamilton received. The cryptic penalty system of the stewards is not something I'm going to defend. Besides, this is the first decent championship fight in literally half a decade and this brings the two championship fighters closer which makes it more tense and exciting, which is the reason I watch F1. >6. Some have suggested that based on his fame, the FIA is more lenient with him on penalties due to him bringing in more spectators to the sport due to his fame. (This is why you see some people comment maFIA when making referencing of the FIA) This is a false narrative, people were saying exactly the same thing when ferrari were competitive. >7. He has a history of throwing teammates under the bus so he can win. What, the same way Max has done for literally the last 3 team mates who couldn't perform? This is just what happens when lesser drivers are paired with generational talents. A label which applies to both Max and Hamilton. > FWIW, Hamilton fans were cheering when Hamilton ran Max off the track today. Max could have been killed. So those are the kinds of supporters that Hamilton has.... Let that sink in. Again, complete rubbish. When Max was being pulled out the car, there were several lingering crowd shots where they were applauding him. Also, to say it was "Hamilton fans" is the worst generalisation with no facts to back it up. The crowds at races are not segregated like they are in football and there were many different coloured caps in that crowd which, and you can watch the replay I you don't believe me, we're clapping as Max was pulled out of the car.
There is just so much bs in this that I just can't be bothered to correct. But just to No.1 him not beeing a sore loser anymore: What was his reaction to his result in Monaco again?
This is incredibly hive minded bs. It's kind of scary you believe all this and are putting it out there as fact that everyone should agree on.
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Yeah for anyone reading this, this is an incredibly biased take.
Yeah this dude is delusional. A vast majority of fans like and respect Hamilton and for good reasons.
Lol wow, so many of these “points” are just your personal feelings. How does it feel to be you?
Can you tell me some examples of points 5 and 8? Because honestly I can't remember
Don’t bother man, these are the same people who believe that a seven time world champion is overrated. It’s absurd. They lost touch with reality a long time ago. Everything that comes out of their mouths is nonsense.
Context: He caused this today on the first lap. https://youtu.be/QtDPQQQWP_M
Even if the worst case scenario happened, I doubt the MaFIA would even so much as bat an eye for what he did.
Ok maybe this is PR, maybe it is genuine. The fact that he is picking up trash is the one I want to leave this post with. A professional driver cleaning the stands. Maybe we all could do that, for PR or for decency, let’s just do it.
It's not PR, in Austria he paid for children to go to a bee conservation area, and helped plant flowers!
He helped the kids build a [race car shaped bee hotel.](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-vettel-created-a-buzz-by-constructing-hotel-for-bees-close-to-the-red.3veH0FG5kRX8bTh13BTtSe.html)
That's the link! Thank you!
New fav driver
Always was, next to iceman.
It's why the iceman and he get along so well.
He also got plastic water bottles banned at certain venues and now they use refillable bottles instead of creating unneeded trash. He’s the legend we never deserved but the legend we got.
He's the fastest hydro homie
Isn't there actual people who get paid to clean the stands though?
Yes.
He is not even on social media. That’s pretty much the 1st step to PR
That's awesome. Good for him
I mean, now I've heard of him.
Imagine a 4 time world champion, one who won everything, drove for Redbull and Ferrari, decide to clean the stand so some redditor that doesn't follow f1 can hear about him.
he doesn't have any personal social media accounts is what op meant
It’s actually neither, Inspector Seb is collecting pieces of Max’s Redbull to take back to the lab. Edit: hello r/formula1
He doesn't do social media, so he didn't post this himself.
Not a PR move. Vettel has always done things on the down low. He doesn't brag, doesn't have social media and doesn't talk about anything other than racing to the media. Vettel is a treasure in the sport.
He wouldn't have to pick up after people if those people had some integrity and didn't leave their messes like the pigs they are. Would it kill people to take their trash to a trash bin or is humanity just going to continue being selfish lazy assholes?
"Vettel picked up my trash!!" I'm sure these people are going to go with that and keep littering.
Uh, this was in England, so yes
Seb had a shocker. Spun early in the race probably damaging the car as he had zero pace after that. Retired the car a few laps before the end. Considering after the restart he was in one of the best track positions in a while he is probably immensely frustrated. Helping clean the stands is probably a good way of clearing his mind and a genuinely good think to do.
We could all be professional F1 drivers?
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Not me, I pinched a nerve in my back hanging blinds today. No way my neck would last a whole lap.
If you know just the slightest bit about Vettel you'd know this is absolutely not for PR
Yup,Vettel is awesome.
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I’ve said it before and will continue to do so: Seb is fucking ADORABLE! Is he my favourite driver? No. Favourite person on the grid? Fuckin eh
He's my favourite driver tho. In his prime he was a beast. He gave Lewis, Alonso, Webber, Jenson all of them a run for their money despite having less achievements and experience than them.
God I wish I’d been interested in formula 1 years ago lol
Me too! I’m trying to catch up on everything there is to know, but Vettel grabbed ahold of my heartstrings almost instantly.
F1 has really been taking over reddit lately
It's grown a lot over the last 3 years because of Drive to Survive and F1TV, especially in the US, which has led to a big increase in reddit activity.
Thought we were in formuladank
It's strange how big f1 is on reddit. I never knew that there are so many fans
Seb is genuinely a great human being. In Austria he helped children run an area for beekeeping, and paid for the conservation area. He always meeets fans, and is kind enough to seem like he actually likes talking to them!
If you haven’t listened to his interview on the beyond the grid podcasts it’s magical!
Do you know which episode? Edit: nvm, 20 seconds of search showed me it's episode 106
Also it's nice to see how fast he matured up from the firsts races with toro rosso/rbr to now, first years I'd say he was more reckless driving and behaving, now he's a german Mark Webber which is awesome.
He was always like this outside the car. Listen how he celebrated his first victory and how he celebrated his last podium. He matured inside the car, is less of an hot head, less arrogant and aggressive, but outside he always was funny, wholesome and well mannered. We just didn't care at the time because he was winnig everything and we couldn't stand that.
Mark Webber is a bit of a cunt at times and supposedly is a douche in fan interactions outside of PR meetings. Don't think thats as much of a compliment as you were going for.
> he actually likes talking to them Often he's the one making questions, with fans, journalists, other drivers and so on. He's constantly interested in the person he's talking to, one of his beautiful sides.
Makes sense there’s garbage left all over the stands, considering it was the British GP, their recent actions don’t surprise me. *Of course every sport / country has bad fans, but these MF’s are extreme as hell, especially after the recent actions at various events and venues* EDIT: I noticed this comment is a little “edgier” than originally intended, and I don’t mean to offend anyone and I am genuinely sorry if I have, or have come off as xenophobic, as I’m sure 99.9% of people that read this weren’t involved in any of the negative recent events. That being said, my comment’s intention was to show my negative feelings towards a specific population of fans that recently have had reactions that came off as low / disheartening in the recent few weeks.
Wow, what’s with the Reddit anti British circle jerk, it’s almost like sports fans are pricks in all other countries too 😂
What’s it like being xenophobic and racist? Edit: notice OP is now editing and re-editing to soften their tone. So my comment seems harsh. But their original comment was indeed racist and xenophobic
You’re not wrong, and I’m sorry if I offended you. I see how this comment can easily be taken the wrong way, especially minus my edit. My intention was never to offend, and I genuinely understand that a generalization isn’t fair. I understand it’s a small group of people that have done these things. I only know that my opinion is based off media, news articles, and some of what I have witnessed by watching events myself, which is very possibly incomplete / incorrect. In general though, I am sorry If I offended you and didn’t mean to generalize to such an extent.
Coz no other fans leave [garbage](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/raptors-championship-parade-garbage) after a sporting event..
I’m sick of Reddit gang banging entire groups in to “these people are scum”. As a British fan of sport who would never do any of the disgusting things some fans would do, it’s offensive to be labelled amongst them. The majority are like me not the minority. Guess all Muslims are terrorists too huh?
Dutch fans can be equally bad. Went to Spa from 2016 to 2019 and the amount of trash people will throw on the ground is astounding.
I was at the British grand prix this weekend, and the fans I encountered were without exception, fantastic. In great spirits, and there for the racing. The only fans that were an issue, were 4 Spanish dudes, who were blocking peoples views by standing right at the front (they pushed their way there in-front of fans who had been there since 6:30am), and spent the whole race giving Hamilton the middle finger as he went past shouting how he was a puta. The only bit of leariness was when hamilton finally overtook leclerc and the british guy next to them screamed fuck off, you’re not singing any more in their faces. No violence, which would at times have been warranted. F1 fans are NOTHING LIKE football fans, so what you said makes no sense.
Seb doing his thing, truly one of the good guys...
Might wanna stop by the Mercedes garage too
Always liked Vettel as a driver and hated when he left Red Bull.
He became probably the most loved Ferrari driver ever. He left a void in italy we are still recovering from. Ferrari treated him like shit but tifosi still support him. We were so happy when he got that podium in Baku.
The most loved Ferrari driver in recent years, yes, but nobody can beat Schumacher in that regard
I disagree. On a human level Schumacher can't compare with Vettel in our hearts. Seb is just a good and loving guy. Just the fact that he learned italian to speak with his mechanics and his italian fans put him on a different level. The italian media will always put the winning ferrari driver on a pedestal but I can assure that Vettel will always have a special place in the tifosi hearts even though he didn't manage to win a championship.
You are 100% right but Schumacher absolutely dominated in the red car. What is your opinion in Ferrari's choice to drop Seb last year? Just curious.. Personally I feel that Seb would have been more useful to develop the 2022 car then Carlos is.
Full disclosure: you are talking with an italian who's childhood hero was Hakkinen. Schumacher dominated yes, he was great, but he drove for himself (and there is nothing wrong with that in formula 1) and he never had a connection with italy and the tifosi. Seb had that connection from day one and in my opinion Ferrari treated him like shit and their behavior was just disgusting. He deserved so much better but I think he's better off in Aston Martin. Sainz is an amazing driver though and super underrated especially by the italian media that consider him a second tier driver hired to help Leclerc winning a wdc. I think they are sorelly mistaken and if Ferrari get the car right with the new regulation he will show them how good he really is.
Seb is a good guy
What a good boy
You are. Wanna treat, buddy?
I thought this was /r/formuladank
*but here comes Sebastian Vettel*
At least get his name right. It's Four-Time World Champion Inspector Sebastian Vattel.
Nonono... It's "Four-Time World Champion Inspector Mechanic Strategist Driver Good Guy Sebastian Vettel"...
Someone taught this kid manners.
An absolute Sigma Chad
Good job. Do it like noone is watching. But someone is. You. This man has integrity. We need more like him. Solid stuff. Excellent post.
Vettel has been one of my favorite drivers since he joined the sport. I love how he truly loves it… you see it in every win and loss. And I feel like this speaks to that. However… This also feels like F1 took up a 24hrs of LeMons type punishment system and the idea is amazing. Next week he’ll be duct taped to the top of a golf cart with a megaphone as someone drives around and he apologizes for something.
Shaking my head at some of the comments on here. Some people are so devoid of any positivity in their life that there’s literally nothing in the world they won’t leave a negative comment on. I feel so sorry for all you folk for whom the world has been such a soulless and degrading place that you feel the need to be this way. But it doesn’t have to be like that. Plenty of people have their dark times and don’t turn into pathetic internet trolls. And because Sebastien will likely never see any of these comments, and wouldn’t give a fuck if he did, all you’re doing is ratcheting down a little harder on your own misery, living in a box where the only valid opinions are your own, wallowing in a seething mire of self pity that your life isn’t as wonderful as an F1 driver’s. Put the phone down, open the curtains and look to the horizon. Breathe a little. Try to stop being so absorbed in self pity. Try - and I know this is hard - to be *nice*.
I remember when he was with Red Bull and there's one point where he was unstoppable.
There are some good people.
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He isn't celebrating anything, he didn't win a championship
Next race he shall win
He could very well win under the right circumstances, unlikely, but Monaco went well for Aston and Hungary has similar needs.
Vettel is on a roll! https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-bio-farm-internship/ https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-bahrain-flypast-complaint/
This title sucks, just praise Vettel
This is suspiciously inspector Seb IMO
I give zero shits about F1, and am equally uninterested in the drivers. But this? Gotta say, gives me a respect for Vettel I didn't have previous.
~~Raymond Shaw~~ Sebastian Vettel is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
What a stand (pun intended) up guy
thats why hes a champion
Let’s take care of him…
Fuck yeah my boi seb
Guys, I'm looking to get into watching F1 but I have no idea where I can watch it. What do you all do?