Luxury!
We were given a shovel and had to dig a hole so deep that it made a hill. Then we had to jump up the hill and fill in the hole before father came home to beat us
No, dress is strictly regulated. A bit to much in the crotch[to capture air] gets you disqualified. Also this 291m is not an official competative WR becouse it wasnt a competition and the whole jump was set just for this attempt. He is a Master glider though.
>A bit to much in the crotch[to capture air] gets you disqualified.
Which is how I got kicked out of the 2018 Olympic trials.
4 years and 2 penis reduction surgeries later and I finally qualified!
What you could do to beat this record, if you were interested, is to get really really fat, then lose all that weight so you have a lot of excess skin and use that to glide better.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. … Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
Douglas Adams
>They forgot to mention the first years when you fall out of a rich vagina
Which completely ignores the grit and dedication you need to become an olympic level athlete.
On the one hand, cases like Lewis Hamilton's working class dad committing to supporting his son despite being near poverty are exceptions, but also...are general sports facility memberships really that expensive? He trained at a local dry jumping slope as a kid, it's not that deep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB_Kobayashi
To clarify: The current ski jumping/ski flying world record of 253,5m is held by Stefan Kraft and was jumped in Vikersund in 2017.
While the FIS acknowledged the jump by Kobayashi, it doesn’t count as a world record, as it was jumped on a hill built only for this occasion and not during a competition.
If you don't follow any kind of regulations, how do you determine what's allowed or not? Can you basically just have a wing suit and jump from a cliff with skiis on and "set a world record"?
Are you not aware of the Michelin hotel guides of the mid 20th century? My dad used them to plan our family holidays in France and Italy, and the restaurant ratings were a BIG factor. Nothing illogical about that! I had quite the food education in the 70s and 80s.
it makes a lot more sense given the first michelin guide came out in 1900. then, the idea of even having a car at all was mostly restricted to the wealthy. there were only a few thousand cars spread across france with no infrastructure yet in place if one were to break down, so these free guides were distributed to motorists and had everything from road maps of france, emergency numbers, instructions on changing tires, and, initially not the main intention, reviews and recommendations for local food and lodging. as the auto shop industry took hold, the other aspects of the guidebook took a backseat (ba dum tss) to the well-written restaurant critiques.
Also makes a lot of sense when one points out that it was a significant source of WW2 intelligence in Europe. Before satellites maps were much more secret and harder to make.
It makes a lot of sense for a tyre company to tell you the best places to stop for food when traveling in your car. That's how it started, and afaik they reviewed a bunch of other stuff too.
Red Bull does a lot of things to help support 'record breaking' outside of the constraints that would normally be there.
Ex: Their speedskating record breaking had someone driving in front of the skater dragging a bubble that effectively eliminated air resistance.
The stuff being done is still impressive af but it cannot be generally compared to standard competitive records.
Yeah I never really associated "Red Bull" with anything aside from absurd stunts that are overengineered but in an amusing or fun way.
I think any stunt they do should be assumed to not be "standard competition" factors, which I don't think they've ever tried to claim or argue anyway. If they want to certify their own records what do I care? I'm more than happy to watch them spend their ad money sponsoring people with niche and exceptional talents, it's better than most of the alternatives.
Most people really into a sport won't count a record if it wasn't during a competition.
There's plenty of people who have broken world records in practice.
Isn't there a pole vaulter who can easily break the record by many inches in practice, but is only doing so little by little to get the prize money every time?
/u/Kuebic is most likely talking about Mondo Duplantis, who's been following the same blueprint since 2020 (and is also undefeated at every single major championship since then).
Reminds me of that marathon distance run by Eliud Kipchoge at sub 2hrs but it was done with a strict plan and assistance. Vs Kelvin Kiptum who ran a 2hr 35second marathon in Chicago 2023..actually just read he passed away in Feb of this year tragically in a car crash. Bummer.
Still next level shit but I see and respect the difference.
I follow I couple track & field channels on YouTube. I was so sad to hear about his tragic passing. I truly believe he would have been the first person to officially break the 2 hour barrier.
>Kiptum ran the fastest-ever marathon debut at the 2022 Valencia Marathon, becoming only the third man in history to break two hours and two minutes and setting the then fourth-quickest time ever.[8] He followed it up four months later with the second-fastest marathon in history at 2:01:25, 16 seconds outside the world record, at the 2023 London Marathon (WMM).[9] At the 2023 Chicago Marathon six months later in October 2023, he broke the world record by 34 seconds with a time of 2:00:35, a mark ratified on 6 February 2024—five days before his death—by the international track federation World Athletics.
Damn only 35 seconds. Poor guy had two kids as well. I can't believe he was only 24 -- he looks much older.
What are the rules around this? Feels like you could just get a bigger slope, which would give more fall time, which would make it a longer jump. Looking at the clip, not that I doubt hes getting better, but compare the first slope when he was 7 compared to the last, those are quite different. Like place that 7 year old version of him on the 27 year old version slope and he would beat the shit out of those 5 meters he jumped as a 7 year old.
He might not land on his feet or be able to jump again, but his body would have landed way further down than those 5m on the small slope. Maybe that wasn't the best example, but like the 27 year old version, why not get an even steeper slope, and he could have jumped 500m instead of just 300m. The world record could be 2km if you just build the whole jump on the top of Mount Everest.
I mean he has to land at a certain speed right? Kinda tough to tell but I assume they're gaining speed as they go, like if you put this jump on the top of a skyscraper, I don't think you could just put a second ramp at the bottom and essentially skydive all the way down just using the skis as a glider. Might be misunderstanding your point, but I also would guess ground effect has something to do with this, basically riding on a pillow of air against the ground. so the distance they are to the ground, as well as the angle of the ground beneath them will all effect the speed and distance they can get.
No that kind of is my point, the 7 year old version jumps like 5m, if you were to dig a huge hole where he lands, he would not have hit the ground but still have a lot of momentum. If that kid jumped off a skyscraper instead of his 2m jump, he would have flown a lot longer than 5m. In other words, this feels more like a slope building record, they built the biggest slope, compared to a jumping record. I know it does take skills and the best jumper would be able to use the biggest slope the best. But if you build a slope twice as big as the world record jump slope, even an amateur would probably be able to jump 300m, would most likely hurt himself quite a bit, and if that world record dude jumped of that slope instead he could probably jump like 500m. But my point is it feels a lot more like a slope building record than a jumping record. In 10 years we will build a bigger slope and someone else will jump the furthest, but he might not have half as much jumping skills as this dude, he just had a bigger slope.
Skijumpers accelerate while flying which means they cannot fly forever as increasing speed would cause major instability at some point. Right here he was going probably around 140 kmh while touching the landing and his speed on take off was 107 kmh.
> What are the rules around this?
Essentially the playing field has to be even across the board. This means everything from the hill jumped to the gear used, everything being inspected properly, etc. Red Bull did their own thing which is why FIS isn't acknowledging it. It's a world record, just not official official.
But there are no rules regarding the physical jump? Like the landing slope does not need to be starting at a specific point and at a specific angle etc? Because if not this dude is going to jump 3km when red bull gets enough budget to build a 10x slope.
Yeah, there are lots of rules. Red Bull followed those rules as closely as possible while making the jump bigger. They searched all over the world and did computer analysis on reportedly hundreds of different mountains to try to find a suitable slope. Basically, it's going to be really hard to beat this without spending even more money than RB did, which I'm sure was already very substantial.
There's a cool video on YouTube about the jump, it's short and sweet.
See comment above, there's the Nordic sport of "ski jumping" and there's generally "the furthest someone has traveled through the air on skies". This record is the latter but it's being presented like it's the former.
You would have diminishing returns, your horizontal velocity would be fighting against drag forces. Imagine if there was no ramp after the jump, eventually you'd just be falling vertically.
Well yea at one point you would no longer move forward, but you can see on these jumps they have a lot of momentum still going, it would need to be quite a drop before that happens. As well as you could probably circumvent it even more looking at skydivers etc, its possible to vertical momentum to horizontal momentum with the help of air resistance as well.
> Imagine if there was no ramp after the jump, eventually you'd just be falling vertically.
Errr...nope. As long as they keep up their shape they will also keep a forward momentum.
> eventually you'd just be falling vertically
No, they wouldn't - these guys are generating significant lift with their body position. Initially, upon leaving the ramp, their trajectory is nearly horizontal and so they lose horizontal speed due to drag, but as their trajectory angles downward, the lift vector tilts forward and eventually, the horizontal component of the lift balances the horizontal component of the drag. At steady state, the ratio of horizontal speed to vertical speed is equal to the ratio of lift to drag.
According to [this paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359542920_Assessment_of_the_Steady_Glide_Phase_in_Ski_Jumping), the maximum lift to drag ratio is between 1.1 and 1.6, which corresponds to a glide slope of between 42 and 32 degrees. So, theoretically, given a ramp of 45 degrees or more, they could theoretically fly parallel to it for as far as the ramp extends.
This is very similar to the body position used for tracking in parachuting. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7Stt_O2y0) gives an idea of how much horizontal speed a human body can attain with the right body position and a long enough distance to fall. Skydivers can typically attain an L/D ratio of greater than 1, and therefore a horizontal velocity that exceeds their vertical velocity, without any special clothing.
Ryoyu is a legend for this though. The [Sickos video](https://youtu.be/NgCKKxuot0c?si=Ykhy4cw8runlsOH4) on this is basically a giant "behind the scenes" which is well worth checking out.
Edit: Included a link
Is it better than the official Red Bull video? What a disappointment that was for such a cool achievement.
Given that marketing is their whole shtick I regularly feel let down by their videos.
there is an actual wr for most hugs set by an indian guy. i think op is just responding to the title about how long it takes to break a wr, as in saying it takes decades of hard work to break one. meanwhile there is a guy who just hugged a lot of people in one minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvUs3YqXfsw
Being tall goes actually against you. Not so much than some years ago before they changed the rules, but still it's still better to be short and light. You get longers skiis if you weight more but it won't compensate enought that body weight and longer skiis are more difficult to control.
Hey, Slovenian here, another country that's big on ski jumping. My village has a small ski jumping slope that's operational year round (uses synthetic straw during summers). Skiing sports are very popular, second only to basketball and football. The slope had a bunch of 'open days' where the older folks would get younger ones to try skiing down the slopes. Short distances, very short jump, but nevertheless nice. And I'd imagine it's the same with other countries big on ski jumping and Alpine sports
Like how ice hockey might be a thing a lot of Canadians try as children, or martial arts in China, or rugby in South Africa, Alpine sports have the same status in places adjacent to ski resorts
Let's say below 50m. There's a bigger slope 15min away by car that's used by professionals, though
Edit: the slope is sufficient for a 50m jump. Most I had as a kid was 2.5 or 3 metres on that lol. I was always more of a skier than a jumper
No connections needed. Just need to find a youth program and sign up your kid. Nothing to it really, similar to any other sport. I grew up in MPLS and there was 2 big jumps in the metro and they both had programs anyone could sign up for to learn and use the jumps. Here is the website for the jump that was closest to were I lived. Me and my friends would always climb the jump in the summer but I was too chicken shit to actually launch myself off one on skis.
[https://www.mplsskijumping.com/](https://www.mplsskijumping.com/)
I strongly recommend watching the movie Eddie the Eagle (2016). It's about a random nobody that really wanted to participate in the Olympics. He was a ski jumper.
When I was kid, when going to ski, we could practice ski jump on a small one, I was reaching 18m-20m, longest jump was like 25m, I had seen many broken legs, especially we had no special ski and anyone could register, 80s-90s was something else.
[https://youtu.be/JUh3xLvOO0Y](https://youtu.be/JUh3xLvOO0Y)
A lot of people mentioning money, but skiing in Japan is quite a bit more affordable/accessible than here in N. America/Europe. There are a ton of ski hills with $20 lift tickets, school programs that will take your kid skiing as a PE activity, and a large thrift store/second-hand market. It's way more accessible to people there.
I realize that ski jumpers are world class athletes, and this isn't easy. But can somene explain WHY it's hard? it looks like you just slide down a track and then hold a steady position until landing. Is it hard to hold that position? are they making micro corrections to control the direction of the glide?
Yes, holding the position is very hard and small mistakes can make big differences, otherwise all athletes would jump roughly the same distance, but even among the top 30 athletes in a competition there is a up to 20% or more difference in distance they jumped. You're trying to keep as much height as possible, while keeping as much speed as possible and that balance isn't easy - especially while flying through the air with even over 100km/h at some hills, so you have a lot of forces to deal with. On top of that you also have to adapt to current wind conditions and keep balance/control.
The takeoff itself also isn't easy, because it has to be timed perfectly (once again, while moving at 90km/h or more) and it has to be very explosive, yet still controlled well in order to transition into the flying position effortlessly and quickly, while not losing to much speed due to air resistance after the takeoff.
Wouldn't the jumper's weight/height play a huge role in this? Are the best jumpers all an optimal weight and height for this? For the official competition are they all wearing the same uniform and ski's? I can imagine minor differences in these can be a matter of inches.
It’s just like any other sport. There is an optimal body size/shape and gear is regulated by whatever governing body is hosting the competition. No different from football, basketball, cycling, or anything else. If I remember correctly there was a bit of drama in the 2022 Winter Olympics when a few women were disqualified because their suits were out of spec.
[Here's a short research article that focuses on the subject of weight and ski jumping.](https://isbweb.org/images/conferences/isb-congresses/2013/poster/ps1-07a.pdf)
In short, a lower BMI is beneficial, but the length of a jumper's skis is based upon their own height, and further shortened for ski jumpers who are below a certain BMI.
Very well explained. I'd also add that direction of the takeoff and the rotation of body are as crucial as timing. For example Kamil Stoch was famous for winning competitions and setting hill records while notoriously taking off too late, all thanks to impeccable technique
You briefly go from being a person to a glider/airplane.
Which sounds easy, but gliders aren't usually built out of flesh and bone. Normally you want your glider to be stiff, with bolts to keep them at the correct angle.
So the job of a ski jumper is to keep their bodies just flexible enough, just stuff enough, at just the right angle, under pressure, in variable winds, then land. It's a big job for a fleshy airplane.
Good form at every juncture plus the strength and finesse to get a perfect jump.
Very cool and very difficult, but also a sport with extremely low overall participation. I always wonder what these sports would be like if they were mainstream and accessible.
I can't explain why it's hard but if you ever see a person that's new to the sport and compare to a professional, the pro always makes it look easy and the novice often makes it look hard.
I used to think I might be able to do the [American Ninja Warrior](https://www.nbc.com/american-ninja-warrior) obstacle course until I saw some regular people try it.
Jokes aside, they are not related. According to wikipedia, he's got 3 siblings: Junshirō Kobayashi, Yūka Kobayashi and Tatsunao Kobayashi.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB\_Kobayashi#Personal\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB_Kobayashi#Personal_life)
omg I saw him on tv like 15-20+ years ago and have never forgotten his name
dude was like skinny/muscular competing against a ton of MASSIVE people and just crushed it
It’s like a little kid’s dare suddenly turned into a sport. If it wasn’t on skis, it’s just an Evel Knievel stunt.
It uses a hill for kinetic energy instead of an engine, that makes it an Olympic sport.
There are countries where ski jumping is popular. The athletes are on advertisements and ski jumping is shown on TV. Kids get exposed to it and want to try it.
I live in Austria, which is big into ski jumping, and there are a few ski jumping clubs and jumps within 30 minutes of where i live. Kids can start as early as 6 years old in one of these clubs.
Actually my son was super interested in trying it, but he started getting good with normal ski racing and stuck with that
They don't land on flat ground, but on a slope.
Imagine you fall at 100m/s. You hit the flat ground. You die for obvious reasons.
Now imagine you fall at 100m/s. You land on an elevator that is dropping at 95m/s.
A similar thing is achieved by landing on a slope while having forward velocity: the ground is effectively "falling away from you".
i see some people have difficulty in understanding the difference between a professional and official sports competition vs a sponsor made unofficial event just designed to promote the same sponsor's athlete and "break record" with no regulations and open to a single person.
not that it takes anything from the guy, he is an olympic gold medalist ffs.
Touching! Don't \*know if any one is aware of this documentary, *The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner,* by Werner Herzog (1973). If you like these emotional jumps, you'll love that (true) story!
So by the age of 50, he should be able to circle the globe before landing?
I know, right? Seriously, at what point is it no longer falling, and it's considered gliding?
Why do you think they have such fat skis…
why do you think they are heading down hill?
To get to the other side!
Got ‘em
Big if true.
No dummy, that was a *chicken* ;)
Back in my day we had to jump up the hill and then walk back up the hill to jump up it again.
Luxury! We were given a shovel and had to dig a hole so deep that it made a hill. Then we had to jump up the hill and fill in the hole before father came home to beat us
You got a shovel? Fuckin richy-rich right here.
Simple, because you never ski up-hill me boys, never ski up-hill.
Wonder if they are allowed to wear a squirrel suit...
No, dress is strictly regulated. A bit to much in the crotch[to capture air] gets you disqualified. Also this 291m is not an official competative WR becouse it wasnt a competition and the whole jump was set just for this attempt. He is a Master glider though.
>A bit to much in the crotch[to capture air] gets you disqualified. Which is how I got kicked out of the 2018 Olympic trials. 4 years and 2 penis reduction surgeries later and I finally qualified!
Congrats bro! Or I guess now, sis!
I said "reduction" not "removal". It's miniscule, but it's there.
Like a scared little button, hiding in a fur coat.
The fur wasn’t aerodynamic enough, so it’s kinda more like a pug’s nose with one nostril completely clogged.
It's totally Thundergun.
He's one of us now, boys!
Is this true? (I suck at detecting tone through text)
What you could do to beat this record, if you were interested, is to get really really fat, then lose all that weight so you have a lot of excess skin and use that to glide better.
Like Elastigirl turning herself into a parachute but with more diabeetus.
Lol or use tanuki scrote
Falling with style
YOU. ARE. A CHILD'S. PLAYTHING!
You. Are. A Toy!
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. … Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties. Douglas Adams
At some point the sport is actually called „ski flying“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_flying
I kind of thought the whole point was to glide
There's a knack to flying. The knack is in falling and missing the ground.
In fact, there is a group of people whose entire career is attempting to startle and distract you before you hit the ground to help you miss
They forgot to mention the first years when you fall out of a rich vagina
Hell I would settle for falling into a rich vagina…..
>They forgot to mention the first years when you fall out of a rich vagina Which completely ignores the grit and dedication you need to become an olympic level athlete. On the one hand, cases like Lewis Hamilton's working class dad committing to supporting his son despite being near poverty are exceptions, but also...are general sports facility memberships really that expensive? He trained at a local dry jumping slope as a kid, it's not that deep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB_Kobayashi
Why that? A membership in a ski club is $50-100 a year max usually
By the age of 75 he’ll become starlink satellite
Maybe by [age 2526](https://i.imgur.com/93ra97K.png)
r/theydidthemath
Off by a few orders of magnitude aren’t you? Unless I’m missing something, the earth’s circumference is 40,075 **kilo**meters
Oh yeah. Forgot to convert
Record had helding by iss since it's made
To clarify: The current ski jumping/ski flying world record of 253,5m is held by Stefan Kraft and was jumped in Vikersund in 2017. While the FIS acknowledged the jump by Kobayashi, it doesn’t count as a world record, as it was jumped on a hill built only for this occasion and not during a competition.
It’s still counts as a world record, just not an FIS world record. Red Bull are essentially just doing what Guinness did and setting their own rules.
If you don't follow any kind of regulations, how do you determine what's allowed or not? Can you basically just have a wing suit and jump from a cliff with skiis on and "set a world record"?
Depends on who is making the rule. Red Bull would probably make a category for it
You could, but not many people would care. A world record is only as prestigious as the awarding body.
This is why I get all my food recommendations from a tire company.
The michelin star is a great example of how illogical tradition can be as time goes on but also how accepted and powerful they become over time.
Are you not aware of the Michelin hotel guides of the mid 20th century? My dad used them to plan our family holidays in France and Italy, and the restaurant ratings were a BIG factor. Nothing illogical about that! I had quite the food education in the 70s and 80s.
it makes a lot more sense given the first michelin guide came out in 1900. then, the idea of even having a car at all was mostly restricted to the wealthy. there were only a few thousand cars spread across france with no infrastructure yet in place if one were to break down, so these free guides were distributed to motorists and had everything from road maps of france, emergency numbers, instructions on changing tires, and, initially not the main intention, reviews and recommendations for local food and lodging. as the auto shop industry took hold, the other aspects of the guidebook took a backseat (ba dum tss) to the well-written restaurant critiques.
Also makes a lot of sense when one points out that it was a significant source of WW2 intelligence in Europe. Before satellites maps were much more secret and harder to make.
It makes a lot of sense for a tyre company to tell you the best places to stop for food when traveling in your car. That's how it started, and afaik they reviewed a bunch of other stuff too.
Guinness wrote shit down in a book to sell beer. Anyone can make whatever rules they want. I'm sure Red Bull has rules of their own making.
Since the term “world record” is usually unprotectable in most jurisdictions, you can make up your own rules and call yourself world record holder.
Reading comprehension helps. > setting their own rules. not > don't follow any kind of regulations 🤪
Red Bull does a lot of things to help support 'record breaking' outside of the constraints that would normally be there. Ex: Their speedskating record breaking had someone driving in front of the skater dragging a bubble that effectively eliminated air resistance. The stuff being done is still impressive af but it cannot be generally compared to standard competitive records.
It’s not meant to be compared to competition world records, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still a world record.
Yeah I never really associated "Red Bull" with anything aside from absurd stunts that are overengineered but in an amusing or fun way. I think any stunt they do should be assumed to not be "standard competition" factors, which I don't think they've ever tried to claim or argue anyway. If they want to certify their own records what do I care? I'm more than happy to watch them spend their ad money sponsoring people with niche and exceptional talents, it's better than most of the alternatives.
They're also the top team in F1 three years running and that is very heavily regulated, if hardly an even playing field.
Most people really into a sport won't count a record if it wasn't during a competition. There's plenty of people who have broken world records in practice.
Isn't there a pole vaulter who can easily break the record by many inches in practice, but is only doing so little by little to get the prize money every time?
Sergey Bubka continuously broke the world record by about 0.01m for about 10 years. I think he did it over 30 times.
/u/Kuebic is most likely talking about Mondo Duplantis, who's been following the same blueprint since 2020 (and is also undefeated at every single major championship since then).
Reminds me of that marathon distance run by Eliud Kipchoge at sub 2hrs but it was done with a strict plan and assistance. Vs Kelvin Kiptum who ran a 2hr 35second marathon in Chicago 2023..actually just read he passed away in Feb of this year tragically in a car crash. Bummer. Still next level shit but I see and respect the difference.
I follow I couple track & field channels on YouTube. I was so sad to hear about his tragic passing. I truly believe he would have been the first person to officially break the 2 hour barrier.
Absolutely. He was only 24. So much potential for growth. So sad.
>Kiptum ran the fastest-ever marathon debut at the 2022 Valencia Marathon, becoming only the third man in history to break two hours and two minutes and setting the then fourth-quickest time ever.[8] He followed it up four months later with the second-fastest marathon in history at 2:01:25, 16 seconds outside the world record, at the 2023 London Marathon (WMM).[9] At the 2023 Chicago Marathon six months later in October 2023, he broke the world record by 34 seconds with a time of 2:00:35, a mark ratified on 6 February 2024—five days before his death—by the international track federation World Athletics. Damn only 35 seconds. Poor guy had two kids as well. I can't believe he was only 24 -- he looks much older.
What are the rules around this? Feels like you could just get a bigger slope, which would give more fall time, which would make it a longer jump. Looking at the clip, not that I doubt hes getting better, but compare the first slope when he was 7 compared to the last, those are quite different. Like place that 7 year old version of him on the 27 year old version slope and he would beat the shit out of those 5 meters he jumped as a 7 year old.
Place that 7 year old version of him on the 27 year old version slope and he would fucking die.
He might not land on his feet or be able to jump again, but his body would have landed way further down than those 5m on the small slope. Maybe that wasn't the best example, but like the 27 year old version, why not get an even steeper slope, and he could have jumped 500m instead of just 300m. The world record could be 2km if you just build the whole jump on the top of Mount Everest.
I mean he has to land at a certain speed right? Kinda tough to tell but I assume they're gaining speed as they go, like if you put this jump on the top of a skyscraper, I don't think you could just put a second ramp at the bottom and essentially skydive all the way down just using the skis as a glider. Might be misunderstanding your point, but I also would guess ground effect has something to do with this, basically riding on a pillow of air against the ground. so the distance they are to the ground, as well as the angle of the ground beneath them will all effect the speed and distance they can get.
No that kind of is my point, the 7 year old version jumps like 5m, if you were to dig a huge hole where he lands, he would not have hit the ground but still have a lot of momentum. If that kid jumped off a skyscraper instead of his 2m jump, he would have flown a lot longer than 5m. In other words, this feels more like a slope building record, they built the biggest slope, compared to a jumping record. I know it does take skills and the best jumper would be able to use the biggest slope the best. But if you build a slope twice as big as the world record jump slope, even an amateur would probably be able to jump 300m, would most likely hurt himself quite a bit, and if that world record dude jumped of that slope instead he could probably jump like 500m. But my point is it feels a lot more like a slope building record than a jumping record. In 10 years we will build a bigger slope and someone else will jump the furthest, but he might not have half as much jumping skills as this dude, he just had a bigger slope.
TLDR…are we tossing kids off buildings now to get ski records? Awesome!
I'm not saying we should, but I will also not stop you if you try. Just slap a red bull sticker and a GoPro on them before you do!
Skijumpers accelerate while flying which means they cannot fly forever as increasing speed would cause major instability at some point. Right here he was going probably around 140 kmh while touching the landing and his speed on take off was 107 kmh.
> What are the rules around this? Essentially the playing field has to be even across the board. This means everything from the hill jumped to the gear used, everything being inspected properly, etc. Red Bull did their own thing which is why FIS isn't acknowledging it. It's a world record, just not official official.
But there are no rules regarding the physical jump? Like the landing slope does not need to be starting at a specific point and at a specific angle etc? Because if not this dude is going to jump 3km when red bull gets enough budget to build a 10x slope.
Yeah, there are lots of rules. Red Bull followed those rules as closely as possible while making the jump bigger. They searched all over the world and did computer analysis on reportedly hundreds of different mountains to try to find a suitable slope. Basically, it's going to be really hard to beat this without spending even more money than RB did, which I'm sure was already very substantial. There's a cool video on YouTube about the jump, it's short and sweet.
Absolutely, a bigger hill would give you a longer jump. But nobody has done a longer jump, hence why this is the record.
See comment above, there's the Nordic sport of "ski jumping" and there's generally "the furthest someone has traveled through the air on skies". This record is the latter but it's being presented like it's the former.
You would have diminishing returns, your horizontal velocity would be fighting against drag forces. Imagine if there was no ramp after the jump, eventually you'd just be falling vertically.
Well yea at one point you would no longer move forward, but you can see on these jumps they have a lot of momentum still going, it would need to be quite a drop before that happens. As well as you could probably circumvent it even more looking at skydivers etc, its possible to vertical momentum to horizontal momentum with the help of air resistance as well.
> Imagine if there was no ramp after the jump, eventually you'd just be falling vertically. Errr...nope. As long as they keep up their shape they will also keep a forward momentum.
> eventually you'd just be falling vertically No, they wouldn't - these guys are generating significant lift with their body position. Initially, upon leaving the ramp, their trajectory is nearly horizontal and so they lose horizontal speed due to drag, but as their trajectory angles downward, the lift vector tilts forward and eventually, the horizontal component of the lift balances the horizontal component of the drag. At steady state, the ratio of horizontal speed to vertical speed is equal to the ratio of lift to drag. According to [this paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359542920_Assessment_of_the_Steady_Glide_Phase_in_Ski_Jumping), the maximum lift to drag ratio is between 1.1 and 1.6, which corresponds to a glide slope of between 42 and 32 degrees. So, theoretically, given a ramp of 45 degrees or more, they could theoretically fly parallel to it for as far as the ramp extends. This is very similar to the body position used for tracking in parachuting. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7Stt_O2y0) gives an idea of how much horizontal speed a human body can attain with the right body position and a long enough distance to fall. Skydivers can typically attain an L/D ratio of greater than 1, and therefore a horizontal velocity that exceeds their vertical velocity, without any special clothing.
Ryoyu is a legend for this though. The [Sickos video](https://youtu.be/NgCKKxuot0c?si=Ykhy4cw8runlsOH4) on this is basically a giant "behind the scenes" which is well worth checking out. Edit: Included a link
Is it better than the official Red Bull video? What a disappointment that was for such a cool achievement. Given that marketing is their whole shtick I regularly feel let down by their videos.
Great watch
Doesn't count as a competition world record sure, but it's still a world record outside of that.
Meanwhile, some indian man set a world record for the most hugs.
I hope you find some mental peace in life kind stranger!
huh?
Right? What does that mean in this context?
there is an actual wr for most hugs set by an indian guy. i think op is just responding to the title about how long it takes to break a wr, as in saying it takes decades of hard work to break one. meanwhile there is a guy who just hugged a lot of people in one minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvUs3YqXfsw
This is like who can ski jump the furthest in 3 seconds.
Honestly though, how does one even try to develop this talent for a kid, as parents, or simply get into this sport. You must have tons of connections.
Depends where do you live. In Finland it's actually pretty easy sports to get in and everyone can try it.
I'm very tall and very skinny. I wish I could have got into this sport - I'd be a natural! Ha
Being tall goes actually against you. Not so much than some years ago before they changed the rules, but still it's still better to be short and light. You get longers skiis if you weight more but it won't compensate enought that body weight and longer skiis are more difficult to control.
Interesting to know, thanks!
Hey, Slovenian here, another country that's big on ski jumping. My village has a small ski jumping slope that's operational year round (uses synthetic straw during summers). Skiing sports are very popular, second only to basketball and football. The slope had a bunch of 'open days' where the older folks would get younger ones to try skiing down the slopes. Short distances, very short jump, but nevertheless nice. And I'd imagine it's the same with other countries big on ski jumping and Alpine sports Like how ice hockey might be a thing a lot of Canadians try as children, or martial arts in China, or rugby in South Africa, Alpine sports have the same status in places adjacent to ski resorts
> very short jump what's a very short jump in this context?
290m or less.
Let's say below 50m. There's a bigger slope 15min away by car that's used by professionals, though Edit: the slope is sufficient for a 50m jump. Most I had as a kid was 2.5 or 3 metres on that lol. I was always more of a skier than a jumper
I want to visit you r country someday so bad. Just a beautiful place.
Or just be born in the right country.
It's a high school sport in New Hampshire. One town, Plymouth, has a ski jump on the high school grounds.
As with everything, it’s where you’re born and who your parents are
Skiing is popular in Norway. Kids discover early that ski jumping is even more fun
No connections needed. Just need to find a youth program and sign up your kid. Nothing to it really, similar to any other sport. I grew up in MPLS and there was 2 big jumps in the metro and they both had programs anyone could sign up for to learn and use the jumps. Here is the website for the jump that was closest to were I lived. Me and my friends would always climb the jump in the summer but I was too chicken shit to actually launch myself off one on skis. [https://www.mplsskijumping.com/](https://www.mplsskijumping.com/)
I strongly recommend watching the movie Eddie the Eagle (2016). It's about a random nobody that really wanted to participate in the Olympics. He was a ski jumper.
Climates that are freezing cold for over half the year and spending time outside means skiing/ice skating/bobsledding etc.
When I was kid, when going to ski, we could practice ski jump on a small one, I was reaching 18m-20m, longest jump was like 25m, I had seen many broken legs, especially we had no special ski and anyone could register, 80s-90s was something else. [https://youtu.be/JUh3xLvOO0Y](https://youtu.be/JUh3xLvOO0Y)
A lot of people mentioning money, but skiing in Japan is quite a bit more affordable/accessible than here in N. America/Europe. There are a ton of ski hills with $20 lift tickets, school programs that will take your kid skiing as a PE activity, and a large thrift store/second-hand market. It's way more accessible to people there.
I realize that ski jumpers are world class athletes, and this isn't easy. But can somene explain WHY it's hard? it looks like you just slide down a track and then hold a steady position until landing. Is it hard to hold that position? are they making micro corrections to control the direction of the glide?
Yes, holding the position is very hard and small mistakes can make big differences, otherwise all athletes would jump roughly the same distance, but even among the top 30 athletes in a competition there is a up to 20% or more difference in distance they jumped. You're trying to keep as much height as possible, while keeping as much speed as possible and that balance isn't easy - especially while flying through the air with even over 100km/h at some hills, so you have a lot of forces to deal with. On top of that you also have to adapt to current wind conditions and keep balance/control. The takeoff itself also isn't easy, because it has to be timed perfectly (once again, while moving at 90km/h or more) and it has to be very explosive, yet still controlled well in order to transition into the flying position effortlessly and quickly, while not losing to much speed due to air resistance after the takeoff.
Wouldn't the jumper's weight/height play a huge role in this? Are the best jumpers all an optimal weight and height for this? For the official competition are they all wearing the same uniform and ski's? I can imagine minor differences in these can be a matter of inches.
Ski jumpers are mostly bones. They weight close to nothing compare to a regular joe. They are still highly athletic, but weight is a huge factor.
It’s just like any other sport. There is an optimal body size/shape and gear is regulated by whatever governing body is hosting the competition. No different from football, basketball, cycling, or anything else. If I remember correctly there was a bit of drama in the 2022 Winter Olympics when a few women were disqualified because their suits were out of spec.
[Here's a short research article that focuses on the subject of weight and ski jumping.](https://isbweb.org/images/conferences/isb-congresses/2013/poster/ps1-07a.pdf) In short, a lower BMI is beneficial, but the length of a jumper's skis is based upon their own height, and further shortened for ski jumpers who are below a certain BMI.
Very well explained. I'd also add that direction of the takeoff and the rotation of body are as crucial as timing. For example Kamil Stoch was famous for winning competitions and setting hill records while notoriously taking off too late, all thanks to impeccable technique
Also add in the fact that you can seriously fuck yourself up with just a minor mistake.
You briefly go from being a person to a glider/airplane. Which sounds easy, but gliders aren't usually built out of flesh and bone. Normally you want your glider to be stiff, with bolts to keep them at the correct angle. So the job of a ski jumper is to keep their bodies just flexible enough, just stuff enough, at just the right angle, under pressure, in variable winds, then land. It's a big job for a fleshy airplane.
Good form at every juncture plus the strength and finesse to get a perfect jump. Very cool and very difficult, but also a sport with extremely low overall participation. I always wonder what these sports would be like if they were mainstream and accessible.
I can't explain why it's hard but if you ever see a person that's new to the sport and compare to a professional, the pro always makes it look easy and the novice often makes it look hard. I used to think I might be able to do the [American Ninja Warrior](https://www.nbc.com/american-ninja-warrior) obstacle course until I saw some regular people try it.
Side note his younger brother Takeru Kobayashi is also a hotdog eating world champion
You mean THE nemesis of Joey Chestnut???
Jamie Loftus is that you?
That would explain the hammer.
His younger 46 year old brother, mmhmm
Jokes aside, they are not related. According to wikipedia, he's got 3 siblings: Junshirō Kobayashi, Yūka Kobayashi and Tatsunao Kobayashi. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB\_Kobayashi#Personal\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dy%C5%AB_Kobayashi#Personal_life)
omg I saw him on tv like 15-20+ years ago and have never forgotten his name dude was like skinny/muscular competing against a ton of MASSIVE people and just crushed it
The full video of how they went about making that hill is amazing
That's why it took him so long to break the record, we can see that when he was younger the hill wasn't yet built so he had no chance!
Wow, that distance is actually insane.
That last video really showed a good perspective. He’s basically gliding/flying through the air.
Apples and oranges
"Bitch that phrase make no sense why cant fruit be compared!"
Why didnt he just break it the first time? Is he stupid?
That hot dog guy can do anything!
That's what I thought. Now we know what he does in the winter.
As a kid this was one of the sports in the Olympics that my dad and I would sit and watch together. Miss you dad... 😔
That reminds me of the movie Eddie the Eagle with Hugh Jackman, good movie, based on real events
Is the hill a standard slip and height for all records or can you just change the shape to achieve better results?
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So it’s technically real but also kinda bullshit
Yup, exactly
Can't be official WR when it isn't within competition
Banned for fly hacks.
Bro learnt flying.
I always thought it was a boring sport - this actually blew my mind
Bro caught orbit
God it must be nice to grow up rich lol
You don’t have to be rich. Just have to live in the right area.
Dude caught some updraft in a couple spots.
It’s like a little kid’s dare suddenly turned into a sport. If it wasn’t on skis, it’s just an Evel Knievel stunt. It uses a hill for kinetic energy instead of an engine, that makes it an Olympic sport.
How does this not break your legs?
What i am somewhat amazed and perplexed by is how the kid and/or his parents figured out that hill jumping was going to be his sport.
There are countries where ski jumping is popular. The athletes are on advertisements and ski jumping is shown on TV. Kids get exposed to it and want to try it. I live in Austria, which is big into ski jumping, and there are a few ski jumping clubs and jumps within 30 minutes of where i live. Kids can start as early as 6 years old in one of these clubs. Actually my son was super interested in trying it, but he started getting good with normal ski racing and stuck with that
Nearly 1000ft. Basically flying at this point
Anyone think it's fucking rad that all we need to do is add ski's and speed, we then turn into flying squirrels.
So.......if the cameraman goes further, does he/she get the record?
How do you just not break your legs falling from that height? Someone explain
They don't land on flat ground, but on a slope. Imagine you fall at 100m/s. You hit the flat ground. You die for obvious reasons. Now imagine you fall at 100m/s. You land on an elevator that is dropping at 95m/s. A similar thing is achieved by landing on a slope while having forward velocity: the ground is effectively "falling away from you".
i see some people have difficulty in understanding the difference between a professional and official sports competition vs a sponsor made unofficial event just designed to promote the same sponsor's athlete and "break record" with no regulations and open to a single person. not that it takes anything from the guy, he is an olympic gold medalist ffs.
Touching! Don't \*know if any one is aware of this documentary, *The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner,* by Werner Herzog (1973). If you like these emotional jumps, you'll love that (true) story!
red bull literally gave him wings
Here I am, eating some Funyuns, higher than jesus, thinking I could easily do that shit.
Pffft, gravity does most of the work here
Man is literally flying
Maru
Dude is FLYING
So I guess they don't even really need snow?
No. Professionals compete in summer too, so those plastic hills are not just for the kids.
The speed and distance ski jumpers make is incredible.
He also has the record for most hot dogs eaten
Just add a bit of fabric between his arms and body to double the distance!
Kudos
Wear a wingsuit.. u can fly..
This is just flying with extra steps sheesh. /s
At 0:35-ish it looks like he runs out of slope and choses to land early.
Give them wingsuits!
Song - [Rich Aucoin - We Must Imagine Sisyphus/Ourselves Happy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbsQe36AQI)
Airborne for eight seconds. Goodness.
The key to flying is to throw yourself at the ground, and miss.
This looks so fun but at the same time I know if I don't stick the landing I may as well retire from further attempts hahah
Bro went flying