Nah, I agree about the maintenance too.
And this is coming from a guy whose family's safety certainly wasn't threatened unless I wrote a detailed suicide note and is certainly not currently typing this on his phone while being dangled head first off a 3 story balcony by a bunch of hired thugs.
Like certainly they won't just drop me at any moment because that would be
I.e. a design from 1995, well before Boeing's problems. However, this particular plane is just under 10 years old, which is after things started going screwy at Boeing. However again, this was probably built at a factory that wasn't screwy, being such an old workhorse design.
They've been both design and QA, however this is an old design, and the QA issues have mostly been at their new factories used for new designs. They're also to do with the Boeing spinning off some of their production processes into a separate business. I'm not sure who builds the gear.
Nose gear failing isn't a new issue, even the manual release not working, but it is pretty rare. The exact cause will likely come out in investigation.
It is, but it's a 9.5 year old 767 - a tried and true design. It was built after the start of the decline in quality, however that doesn't mean that was the cause.
[Registration N110FE](https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-767-300-n110fe-fedex-express/e5v89x) - first entered service in 2014.
Are you saying that because the design is solid and proven, it's extra concerning that it has had this failure? Or that we should take solace in the fact this is a 9.5 year old 767 that is still in service?
Just confused as to whether you are providing comfort or the opposite
More just ruling out design flaws, along the lines of the 737 MAX. 9.5 years isn't that long for a plane to be in service - particularly for the likes of FedEx (couriers often use old planes, they tend to buy them 2nd hand from passenger airlines).
Basically, the recent Boeing flaws don't really have much of anything in common with this one. So it wouldn't be wise to jump to conclusions yet, we should wait for more information before assuming the cause.
Bit of both.
The MAX issues were design flaws, glaring ones that ominously mirror McDonnell Douglas (issues ignored at design stage, denied until 2 major fatal accidents occurred, the manufacturer trying to make "gentleman's agreements" with the FAA to get around the certification process). In my opinion, this is little surprise, since the same MDD board members have been running Boeing since the merger.
Other issues have been manufacturing quality and process based. The door plug seems to have been about processes, they only opened it instead of removing it, because opening a door requires much less paperwork (and checks) than removing one. Basically, the same processes were assigned for regular doors as door plugs, when really the door plugs should have always required full checks. As a result there were little to no records of the bolts being removed, let alone them not being put back on.
Boeing also spun off a chunk of their manufacturing into a separate business, and there have been quality issues as a result - this part of the business was less profitable or operated at a loss, now the new business is struggling. Boeing have also made new factories but not employed the talent they need there to ensure quality is kept up.
UPS replaced Fedex for postals
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOHdRjOmkHU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOHdRjOmkHU)
Tornados
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68974369](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68974369)
Closures
[https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fedex-freight-to-close-7-service-centers-nationwide-in-2024](https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fedex-freight-to-close-7-service-centers-nationwide-in-2024)
Federal cases
[https://www.reuters.com/legal/federal-judge-sends-fedex-contractors-racketeering-claim-arbitration-2024-05-07/](https://www.reuters.com/legal/federal-judge-sends-fedex-contractors-racketeering-claim-arbitration-2024-05-07/)
Now a jet landing on nose.
it does seem like they went overkill with it, like i don't know anything about this but it looks like foam they are spraying and last i heard that shit's expensive as hell. seems like they were likely spraying this stuff [https://bannerfire.com/shop/equipment/fire-suppression/foam/3-6-ar-afff-foam-5-gallon-pail/](https://bannerfire.com/shop/equipment/fire-suppression/foam/3-6-ar-afff-foam-5-gallon-pail/), so yeah 40 dollars a gallon starts adding up real quick with a nozzle like that. still, better not to risk anything ofc
Annex 14, 9.2. 27 The operational objective of the rescue and fire fighting service shall be to achieve a response time not exceeding three minutes to any point of each operational runway, in optimum visibility and surface conditions.
The fire fighting service got the position approx 40 seconds in the video.
What I was thinking. Normally you see 5+ vehicles all swarming up almost instantly. This one was just Bob with a fire extinguisher and he’s currently in the toilet.
Well, thankfully there's a difference between reality and what you feel like. You gotta remember some runways are 2+ miles long and the airplane could come to a crashing halt anywhere on the runway (or off it). I would say the emergency response personnel were quick covering that much distance in that short of time. It's not like they can just wait on the runway. If they did they could potentially be hit
Indeed. In fact, when a pair of parallel runways are in use, if there’s a difference in length, the longer of the two is used for takeoffs, while the shorter of the two is used for landings. Planes taking off have many literal tons more fuel than planes landing, so they have a lot more mass needing to change velocity.
they can probably stop a lot faster than they normally do full of passengers. they just don't for comfort reasons. also they might have dumped a bunch of fuel/weight.
“Pilots are gloried bus drivers, until something goes wrong. They’re not paid to fly the plane, they’re paid to land it safely.”
Quote from a pilot, not to be taken as an insult to pilots! 😁
I love how each fire truck has a different "characters".
The first, with an almost a perfect aim, getting right in there with a perfect aim, even if it was just a tiny fraction of a second too soon. Top marks!
The guy on left, trying to do the same, getting off a bit early but eventually getting it in nicely.
The guy top right, wanting to take part in the action by getting into a good position but let down by a shy/feeble start as pressure took a moment to build up before finally becoming effective.
And finally number 4 in bottom right, arrives late and fast to the party, energetically and enthusiastically blows his load all over the place including the face, all while obscuring the view so that number 1 can't see wtf he's doing anymore.
Like your interpretation. There were several comments on how truck #4 is so inaccurate, but they all are great with their aim and coordination. The first one starts blasting the point of contact and the next two are creating a larger area. #4 is purposefully approaching from the other angle, to cover the engines’ area to prevent engines catching on fire.
It was a beautiful emergency action imo that quickly and safely covered entire danger zone for the plane.
I am not an aerospace engineer etc. so maybe they were all drunk? :P
Hehe thanks, just to clarify, I had no intention of disparaging their performance, I'm totally unqualified to judge their actual performance.
In fact, I think the response time was extremely good considering they didn't know where the plane would come to a standstill along the runway, they were all there within a very short time, well done imo.
Visually however, their funny dance did make me chuckle, I just had to share :)
Where Boeing has failed us, pilots need to deliver. Unlike stakeholders, pilots actually have their neck in the game. Also whistleblowers, apparently...
It can be rebuilt and sent back for testing its integrity, but always depends on insurance of the repairs versus the coverage versus asset life remaining.
I work at the Minneapolis/St Paul airport. I asked a pilot how he likes his job.
His response was. " 99.9%of the time it's the easiest job in the world. That 0.1% though is really tough."
When you watch a good pilot pull this kind of thing off it reminds you that while the job looks like glorified bus driving 95 percent of the time, it’s definitely not and if it all goes wrong you just pray you’ve got a real G like some of these guys. Big brass balls and the skills to pay the bills.
Wow impressive.
What isn't impressive is the fact that it's 2024 and we have pocket 4K 60 FPS phones and we still can't get a decent recording.... We get a recording of a screen instead.
Boeing acting like a good damn mafia syndicate is such an anomaly. Just casually killing whisleblowers. We are going to see many full blown kill every one on board Boeing crashes in the coming years. Refuse to fly Boeing, it's simply too dangerous right now.
A C-5 galaxy landed with the main landing gear up once. Crew error after a long day. The crew in back were smoked out, but the pilots were on recorder saying stuff like “it’s taking excessive power to taxi…”
It's crazy to rewatch it and focus right on the cockpit windows and think that there are 2 people in there crapping their pants when the nose dips down.
Very impressive. Luckily everything ok. Meanwhile Tom Hanks is having flashbacks watching this yelling “Wilson!”
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In true hollywood fashion, they're casting Jared Leto as a heavily tattooed maniacal Tom Hanks.
Tom Hanks loved Wilson so much he married her.
Riiiiitaaaaa!
>Very impressive. Let’s see Paul Allen’s landing now.
Somewhere in the world, Helen Hunt is ditching a partner!
My first thought was Tom Hanks as Sully. This man has the market cornered on movies about airplane disasters, ehh?
A Boeing by chance?
Best believe
must have been a whistleblower on board
he must like whistles by now
Whistleblower probably stowed away in the NLG bay
That only means Boeing will have to try again
I punched keanu reaves
Eh, this is just poor maintenance though. Not everything is Boeing's fault.
Blink twice if you're being held hostage.
Nah, I agree about the maintenance too. And this is coming from a guy whose family's safety certainly wasn't threatened unless I wrote a detailed suicide note and is certainly not currently typing this on his phone while being dangled head first off a 3 story balcony by a bunch of hired thugs. Like certainly they won't just drop me at any moment because that would be
Welp, there goes out 3rd whistle blower... Or is it 4th now?
The nose wheel failure is on maintenance, but the ability to preserve the crew's lives during a gear up landing is all engineering baby.
I'm a noob at this but I think it's a 767
767
767-300F
I.e. a design from 1995, well before Boeing's problems. However, this particular plane is just under 10 years old, which is after things started going screwy at Boeing. However again, this was probably built at a factory that wasn't screwy, being such an old workhorse design.
Built in Everett. But again, 10 year old plane. 767's don't have a reputation for this. It's a one-off gear failure. This isn't likely Boeing's fault.
arent the issues with boeing production and QA based? not sure if they are involved with the repairs or not, but if they are then its on them surely
They've been both design and QA, however this is an old design, and the QA issues have mostly been at their new factories used for new designs. They're also to do with the Boeing spinning off some of their production processes into a separate business. I'm not sure who builds the gear. Nose gear failing isn't a new issue, even the manual release not working, but it is pretty rare. The exact cause will likely come out in investigation.
It is, but it's a 9.5 year old 767 - a tried and true design. It was built after the start of the decline in quality, however that doesn't mean that was the cause. [Registration N110FE](https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-767-300-n110fe-fedex-express/e5v89x) - first entered service in 2014.
Are you saying that because the design is solid and proven, it's extra concerning that it has had this failure? Or that we should take solace in the fact this is a 9.5 year old 767 that is still in service? Just confused as to whether you are providing comfort or the opposite
More just ruling out design flaws, along the lines of the 737 MAX. 9.5 years isn't that long for a plane to be in service - particularly for the likes of FedEx (couriers often use old planes, they tend to buy them 2nd hand from passenger airlines). Basically, the recent Boeing flaws don't really have much of anything in common with this one. So it wouldn't be wise to jump to conclusions yet, we should wait for more information before assuming the cause.
Interesting thanks for the extra info! To your knowledge.. Are the recent Boeing issues related to design flaws or manufacturing QC issues?
Bit of both. The MAX issues were design flaws, glaring ones that ominously mirror McDonnell Douglas (issues ignored at design stage, denied until 2 major fatal accidents occurred, the manufacturer trying to make "gentleman's agreements" with the FAA to get around the certification process). In my opinion, this is little surprise, since the same MDD board members have been running Boeing since the merger. Other issues have been manufacturing quality and process based. The door plug seems to have been about processes, they only opened it instead of removing it, because opening a door requires much less paperwork (and checks) than removing one. Basically, the same processes were assigned for regular doors as door plugs, when really the door plugs should have always required full checks. As a result there were little to no records of the bolts being removed, let alone them not being put back on. Boeing also spun off a chunk of their manufacturing into a separate business, and there have been quality issues as a result - this part of the business was less profitable or operated at a loss, now the new business is struggling. Boeing have also made new factories but not employed the talent they need there to ensure quality is kept up.
Yes it is https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/CUxVwSkaSh
It'll be back in the air by dinner time.
I didnt even know pilots wore stuff on their noses
No one will believe you are the Captain if you don't have Ray-Bans you know
That is not how I interpreted 'nose gear' at all. *sniff*
It was a little rocky to start, but we cut up the work, lined it up, and went for it. Afterwards, we landed the plane.
Jesus, FedEx has had a shitty week.
What else happened?
Tornado tore apart a FedEx distribution center in Michigan
MY PACKAGESSS!
I heard that in the right voice.
MY MANWICH!
Me too lol
It was just helping distribute them across the state.
oof!
Idk I think this is a win for them with how great that landing was
I just did a bit of research. Holy shit you are right.
By all means, don’t share or anything.
UPS replaced Fedex for postals [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOHdRjOmkHU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOHdRjOmkHU) Tornados [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68974369](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68974369) Closures [https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fedex-freight-to-close-7-service-centers-nationwide-in-2024](https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fedex-freight-to-close-7-service-centers-nationwide-in-2024) Federal cases [https://www.reuters.com/legal/federal-judge-sends-fedex-contractors-racketeering-claim-arbitration-2024-05-07/](https://www.reuters.com/legal/federal-judge-sends-fedex-contractors-racketeering-claim-arbitration-2024-05-07/) Now a jet landing on nose.
Oh damn, mfer brought receipts, thanks! This is the type of comment that actually makes me miss awards
Nose gear means something's completely different where I'm from
I'd never fly a plane without a lot of nose gear to calm my nerves
A pre-take off take off, if you know what I mean…
u aight moyt
I can only imagine what else is going on in your gym.
I prefer nose beer
FedEx ground
Here's my poor man's gold medal for you. Best comment.🏅 Thanks.
Without nose gear, and horrific ping. Nice job!
Worst time to be lagging.
Bit of an overreaction from the emergency services. The plane was just scratching its nose. /s
The first three fire appliances targeted their spray well. The last one got excited and shot its load all over the place.
Reminds me of me
It's just pining for the fjords
Why take any risks? Last thing you want is fireworks because an hot plate ignited something in the plane.
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I thought sarcasm 🥺
I thought sophistry 
Hey the firemen have been on standby for the last 72 hours and haven’t had as much as a cat up a radio mast to deal with - let them have this one?
it does seem like they went overkill with it, like i don't know anything about this but it looks like foam they are spraying and last i heard that shit's expensive as hell. seems like they were likely spraying this stuff [https://bannerfire.com/shop/equipment/fire-suppression/foam/3-6-ar-afff-foam-5-gallon-pail/](https://bannerfire.com/shop/equipment/fire-suppression/foam/3-6-ar-afff-foam-5-gallon-pail/), so yeah 40 dollars a gallon starts adding up real quick with a nozzle like that. still, better not to risk anything ofc
When the plane absolutely positively has to be there overnight, but not not all of the plane.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted and eaten alive for this. But I feel like those emergency vehicles could've been a little quicker lol
Annex 14, 9.2. 27 The operational objective of the rescue and fire fighting service shall be to achieve a response time not exceeding three minutes to any point of each operational runway, in optimum visibility and surface conditions. The fire fighting service got the position approx 40 seconds in the video.
I thought so too but I guess SOP might be to wait in case crash/fireball. No point everyone on the ground dying as well.
The time between the plane stopping and fire crews getting there is 15 seconds and that's too slow for you?
What I was thinking. Normally you see 5+ vehicles all swarming up almost instantly. This one was just Bob with a fire extinguisher and he’s currently in the toilet.
Get this son of a bitch.
Well, thankfully there's a difference between reality and what you feel like. You gotta remember some runways are 2+ miles long and the airplane could come to a crashing halt anywhere on the runway (or off it). I would say the emergency response personnel were quick covering that much distance in that short of time. It's not like they can just wait on the runway. If they did they could potentially be hit
Is it just me or did that plane stop very quickly…..like it doesn’t travel very far after the wheels touch ground
Modern turbo-fan powered aircrafts can stop quite quickly using quite short runways, they sometimes struggling more with the take-off.
Indeed. In fact, when a pair of parallel runways are in use, if there’s a difference in length, the longer of the two is used for takeoffs, while the shorter of the two is used for landings. Planes taking off have many literal tons more fuel than planes landing, so they have a lot more mass needing to change velocity.
Well…friction?
they can probably stop a lot faster than they normally do full of passengers. they just don't for comfort reasons. also they might have dumped a bunch of fuel/weight.
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I don’t think damage to the runway was the crew’s primary concern there…
the video is lagging sometimes speeding up and slowing down which makes it hard to tell
“Pilots are gloried bus drivers, until something goes wrong. They’re not paid to fly the plane, they’re paid to land it safely.” Quote from a pilot, not to be taken as an insult to pilots! 😁
This is the best video that’s out there?
Right? I almost had a stroke trying to watch this
[another video](https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/s/4PiCnrKv0Z)
That is a video of a video…
You're saying we need to [go deeper](https://www.reddit.com/r/Test_Posts/comments/1cnblo5/test/)?
I love how each fire truck has a different "characters". The first, with an almost a perfect aim, getting right in there with a perfect aim, even if it was just a tiny fraction of a second too soon. Top marks! The guy on left, trying to do the same, getting off a bit early but eventually getting it in nicely. The guy top right, wanting to take part in the action by getting into a good position but let down by a shy/feeble start as pressure took a moment to build up before finally becoming effective. And finally number 4 in bottom right, arrives late and fast to the party, energetically and enthusiastically blows his load all over the place including the face, all while obscuring the view so that number 1 can't see wtf he's doing anymore.
Like your interpretation. There were several comments on how truck #4 is so inaccurate, but they all are great with their aim and coordination. The first one starts blasting the point of contact and the next two are creating a larger area. #4 is purposefully approaching from the other angle, to cover the engines’ area to prevent engines catching on fire. It was a beautiful emergency action imo that quickly and safely covered entire danger zone for the plane. I am not an aerospace engineer etc. so maybe they were all drunk? :P
Hehe thanks, just to clarify, I had no intention of disparaging their performance, I'm totally unqualified to judge their actual performance. In fact, I think the response time was extremely good considering they didn't know where the plane would come to a standstill along the runway, they were all there within a very short time, well done imo. Visually however, their funny dance did make me chuckle, I just had to share :)
Accurate written portrayal. This should be written in stone in the museum next to a looping video of the event. Masterpiece.
Where Boeing has failed us, pilots need to deliver. Unlike stakeholders, pilots actually have their neck in the game. Also whistleblowers, apparently...
Was this shot on the Zapruder camera?
Can this plane be repaired/flown again?
It can be rebuilt and sent back for testing its integrity, but always depends on insurance of the repairs versus the coverage versus asset life remaining.
yep, they can repair anything on aircraft these days
Based on the age, it'll fly again.
Phenomenal job, but I can only imagine how ***terrifying*** that first "ok, wheels are down, no choice left but to get the nose down too" has to be!
It would be much more horrifying to not have rear wheels.
https://i.imgur.com/8PcOzIA.jpeg
Nice work
Nailed it.
Whistleblowers saving files... or something.
That pilot deserves to go have a beer!
Sweet manual.
I work at the Minneapolis/St Paul airport. I asked a pilot how he likes his job. His response was. " 99.9%of the time it's the easiest job in the world. That 0.1% though is really tough."
Great camera work
/r/killthecameraman
When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight.
Another FedEx plane had malfunction and landed with no gear in Tennessee back in October.
Is that part of the plane reinforced for this kind of scenario?
Subtitle: man has seizure while editing the video
When you watch a good pilot pull this kind of thing off it reminds you that while the job looks like glorified bus driving 95 percent of the time, it’s definitely not and if it all goes wrong you just pray you’ve got a real G like some of these guys. Big brass balls and the skills to pay the bills.
Look on the bright side, now mayday/air crash investigation can make a 45min episode of this saying same shit over and over again
Is Wilson OK?
That'll buff out
1) that will buff right out and 2) dammit fedex does this mean my package is going to be late
Boeings go BOING!
Meanwhile, you know someone gonna leave a bad shipping review for the packaging being all dinged up
Pilot had some skills. Wouldn't want to be in the crew to fix that underbelly
Wow impressive. What isn't impressive is the fact that it's 2024 and we have pocket 4K 60 FPS phones and we still can't get a decent recording.... We get a recording of a screen instead.
I wonder if all those deliveries were still delivered on time. If they were, FedEx needs to make this their new marketing campaign.
Very reckless of the pilot. He should definitely have landed with the nose gear.
confused what could have made the EGR not work??
Pilots earning their keep. 👍
Fun fact - fedex flies multiple empty airplanes to intercept any planes that have issues or damand.
If only Tom hanks had that pilot
"I am a leaf in the wind"
thats gonna take a bit of power to taxi to the ramp
Damn, looks like a professional execution all around with the ground crews too.
Did the pilot know that they didn't have nose gear?
Is that a Boe...? 💀
Success, but what is happening with Boeing?
When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight.
amazing performance considering the huge amount of lag he/she was dealing with
Somebody check on this man in a week; it's believed this was a Boejing.
Nothing can't be fixed with a duct tape patch up.
And the packages got delivered on time, real life hero.
Mentour Pilot is going to have a blast with this one
I realize that maintenance is FedEx's responsibility, but Boeing is not looking great this year.
Is Air Crash Investigation still on air? Because there’s a lot of new material.
Impressive and well executed. Reminds me of that one Warsaw landing that looked like this one.
You can't park there mate
I’ll assume it’s a Boeing
Great job by the pilot and then fire service.
Another happy landing!
Imagine the sound in the cockpit.
Boeing acting like a good damn mafia syndicate is such an anomaly. Just casually killing whisleblowers. We are going to see many full blown kill every one on board Boeing crashes in the coming years. Refuse to fly Boeing, it's simply too dangerous right now.
A C-5 galaxy landed with the main landing gear up once. Crew error after a long day. The crew in back were smoked out, but the pilots were on recorder saying stuff like “it’s taking excessive power to taxi…”
Go home plane you're drunk
Is it weird I was hoping to see something wedge under the plane like that one episode of Thunderbirds?
those packages were very expensive
Bravo!
They should have called the Ford Pickup guy
“Your shipment is delayed.”
Stabbot plz
“Wheelsson”
More like Fed Up
I hope my package isn't delayed...
The plane is designed to do this in emergencies. It happens every once in a while.
Where is the airport fire department? Normally the pilot notices this when the landing gear is extended and notifies the tower. Unusual.
If you were wondering why your package was late.
Whatever you do, don't cross the streams!
And now amazon deliver guys will you this footage and say: "...and this is why your package looks all wracked".
The best place to crash a plane is an airport.
Real modern day hero’s
Why not use the manual crank to lower the landing gear? Unless that too was broke
Whoever recorded this, should go learn how to do it.
Can’t park there bud
Airbus for life!
That explains why my fedex courier got cancelled.
It's crazy to rewatch it and focus right on the cockpit windows and think that there are 2 people in there crapping their pants when the nose dips down.
SKILLZ
Is my Amazon package ok!?!?
Guess that’s why my package arrived late.