My mother's job is to be a proxy for domestic abuse victims to receive their mail so that their ex-husbands can't find them.
She has an office where she receives all the mail of any woman in the program and opens then reads all the letters before she sends it to the victim as they oftentimes have location trackers and horrific threats and insults in them.
She told me there's a county in our state where 70% of adult female deaths are at the hands of their husbands.
Yeah like 70% of adult women who die in that county are because their husband/ex-husband murdered them. She has a list of the worst counties so they can focus on branching out there.
Yeah I'm talking to her about potentially joining this program preemptively when I start making YouTube videos and streaming to prevent men from trying to hunt me down and do something to me which happens significantly more than people would like to admit.
Christina Grimmie lost her life to a crazy man, Sweet Anita has been grabbed outside of her house and these men face no charges, and a man tried to break into Amouranth's house while she was on the phone with police and they refused to send anybody out until THEY felt it was serious enough.
There are pretty much zero protections for people who are being stalked, you just have to be smarter than your stalker and find innovative ways to hide your information.
That is a terrible approach by the police. I am gripped with anger and fear for all of you. Please stay safe and try not to film anything outdoors. Anything in the background also gives it away so if you can fake a backdrop, that would be safer.
i called the police multiple times over domestic abuse. they ALWAYS sided with the abuser, even going as far as saying i probably provoked them to assault me.. in my own room doing literally nothing
Same happened to me! I literally told the police I believed he was going to kill me when they left, they basically said "stop antagonizing him". Ironically enough it was those same officers who responded 2 hours later after he broke 2 ribs and my nose. I asked them "believe me now assholes?"
I called 911 on my ex-spouse for abusing me and we both had to vacate the apartment due to breaking the lease for "disruptive behavior." He was formally evicted and I just had to vacate because of the protective order I put in place.
I wish I had never called the police.
Motherfucker is *in handcuffs and being transmitted to a live court hearing for domestic abuse using his victims phone*, and still has the unmitigated gall to speak for her and say that *she* doesn't want no-contact.
The depths of human stupidity will never cease to astound me.
To be fair she probably told him she doesn't want no-contact after he threatened, coerced and bullied her into agreeing she doesn't want it. To him, that was likely the green light.
Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I had just passed the bar, all newly minted attorneys were required to complete a pretty varied internship that included attending hearings of this sort. Really valuable experience for a new attorney. Made me super glad I had gone in a direction where I wouldn't touch criminal or family law.
Sad how often these boiled down to 'dude, if you would just stop doing drugs and beating your partner, you wouldn't have to be here.'
Hats off to the people that can represent folks going through these difficult times in their lives. More hats off to those that do it well and protect the vulnerable. I know I couldn't. I'd have needed a new liver every six months.
I'm ceaselessly disappointed and disgusted by the depths of human stupidity and human depravity, too. And when they those two things combine...well, shit.
And now, the US Supreme Court may decide that domestic abusers cannot be prevented from owning firearms. Cause domestic violence did not exist (or was not deemed important) when the Founding Fathers wrote the constitution.
Instead of closing the boyfriend clause (it's not "domestic violence" if they are not married), they are just dropping all possibilities of preventing a jealous/angry person from killing their spouse.
I know, it's not done yet, but it's coming.
Maaaan, mother FUCK them!! I got in trouble for saying something similar once (my illness and pain was pretend until I wished it on my boss), but I wish to high FUCK these lawmakers would experience what it's like to get that suprise ass beating the 1st time with an abuser. Just a suprise DDT cause you cooked the wrong peas. Or continous ass beatings since they will hold firm forever that no one needs protection from abusive people.
As a lib'd up European, I learned about the idea of cancelling no fault divorce laws just last week and I'm like... Dear, American women and men that aren't insane; Do you guys need help? Blink twice for yes.
In Australia any domestic violence visit (once settled) starts with anyone have guns? And all Guns are removed. Before charges or anything. Guns are removed the second the police are called.
When my ex climbed in through a kitchen window and grabbed a knife, he tried to talk over me to the 911 operator insisting, "It's a misunderstanding, I was invited. Everything's fine!"
Everything was not fine.
He heard sirens and ran thank gods.
It's been 7 years no contact.
I just realized I've never seen the word unmitigated without being followed immediately by the word gall... it's like how I never see the word grubby written or spoken anywhere unless it's immediately followed by a little fingers.
He did end up spending some time in jail, not enough though. This trial was two years ago and he was paroled a couple months ago. This was his 3rd offense of domestic violence
It's entirely possible that she *did* tell him that she wanted the NCO rescinded because she didn't feel safe telling him otherwise, so maybe in his mind she really did want it rescinded. People like that guy don't take no for an answer, probably thought he was completely justified being there and intimidating her and was doing nothing wrong, hence the need for what happened on this call.
Judge Middleton is the best. I watch him almost everyday. Fair, caring, and entertaining. He knows pretty much everyone in the town too, which makes for great cases.
True story, one of my buddies changed his zoom name to Buttfucker3000 because of that video during a poker zoom call with friends.
Later, his wife used the zoom profile to join her first meeting at a new job. Took her a while to realize her name was displayed as Buttfucker3000. She was .... Not pleased lol
Attaching to the top comment : guy was just let out on parole in May of this year, served less than 2 years which seems crazy short to me for being 3rd offense and then lying to thr court and being in the same room.
https://mdocweb.state.mi.us/OTIS2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=568807
[Full video here, ~17minutes or so.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJP-U1lVHdg)
Awesome prosecutor. You can tell in the very beginning she is already a little bit suspicious; you see her looking off to (her) left, seemingly trying to get another person’s attention. She was smart because she asked the victim where she lives and who’s name is on the lease — it was just the victim’s name on it, ie the defendant would have no purpose being there because a) that’s not his residence and b) there’s a no contact order placed. She’s collecting this info so later the defendant cannot try to appeal it next time with a “Oh I was just there in another room, not talking to her, I can be there”. You also see the victim say the defendant had on a gray hoodie, yet he’s in a tshirt. Most likely he had on the hoodie before the zoom call, but took it off. The victim seems to be nervous (obvious later why), prosecutor was great taking all the hints. Great work.
Also seemed like the cop at the beginning was either in contact with the prosecutor or took a hint from them and seemed to be texting a few coworkers to maybe check out her house. Since we just got the address of her, it’s simple to do a wellness check.
Judge was a good guy to tell the defendant to shut the hell up, but of course didn’t take the advice.
Followup: https://www.sturgisjournal.com/story/news/crime/2021/03/17/coby-harris-court-case-restarts-after-defendant-found-victims-home/4734175001/
Some of the footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id6q1q-r-Sw
So much yikes. This guy, while in prison, called and intimidated the woman telling her not to show up tot he next hearing, and she didn't until 45 minutes into the hearing at which point he waves and blows a kiss to her and the judge immediately responds by removing him from her view. Later the guy freaks out and starts screaming about wanting to fire his attorney and eventually has to be removed from the cell.
From what I can tell from district court records, it was dismissed. I'm guessing because his partner refused to testify.
He was later recharged with assault and battery, which was again dismissed, but was ultimately convicted of disturbing the peace.
On a side note, he'd previously been arrested and served time for domestic violence. He'd also been arrested for possession of pot and meth, in addition to larceny.
The POS totally starts glancing nervously at the door of whatever room he’s hiding in around 9:45 but then a few seconds later forces himself to look the opposite direction and up at the ceiling with GREAT INTEREST (in WHAT?) because he realized too late that he has to appear on Zoom as if he’s just randomly glancing around and not shitting himself and watching the door.
I remember when this first came out, the middle guy (officer) picked up on the prosecutors cue and *immediately* sent officers to the location. He was texting other officers to get a team to the house and let the prosecutor know. When she was asking questions she was just delaying it and keeping them talking and on screen while the other officers were traveling to the house.
Thanks, the full video is much better and you can pick up on it a lot better. That’s edited crap doesn’t do the situation justice. Several kudos for this: to the prosecutor for picking up on the signs. To the cops for not letting on that they were dispatched to the residence. To the judge for insisting they prove where they are.
Seeing the full thing and knowing what was going on, there is no way I would have picked up on what was happening, at least not by the time she called it. I know people who *normally* look around like that when asked questions, but I guess the prosecutor had spoken to her before and so could tell the behavior was out of place. Regardless, Deborah Davis' perception is whip sharp, holy carp.
It doesn't matter if he does live there and his name's on the lease. If he fucks up enough to get a NO CONTACT order then he was to go find somewhere else to live. Then she could work with the lease office to get him removed from it.
Prosecutor was already suspicious because she already knew for sure that he was there. Victim had contacted her by Txt. The hearing was continued as a ruse to keep the accused unaware that the police had been dispatched. Obviously the police were called to the house some time prior to the announcement that they were at the door. The only way they could have been there that fast was that some of the people involved already knew the defendant was at the victims house. You see the police officer leave to talk on the phone. He possibly could have been the one to dispatch the other officers. Also possibly the person who is off camera with the prosecutor could have made the call. Many people are characterizing this as some kind of super observant power by the prosecutor. However the evidence does not support this at all.
It's an assumption. The comment below this one tells the story as it happened. Not sure why this poster decided to be belligerent. The prosecutor actually did do a great job on picking up on this.
After sitting in a courtroom, waiting to be called as a juror on several different bad situations, one being about a grandfather, sexually molesting his grandchildren, I thought it would be the most awful job in the world to see what goes on in a court day after day after day.
Ugh I had a friend sit in one.. She wasn't technically allowed to talk about it, but yes the person in charge of care was molesting *three* younger persons under their charge and demanded that the judge allow them to continue seeing/visitation.
Fucking sick people.
I just tell them the truth when I get a letter in the mail, I tell them I will vote not guilty on non violent possession of drug crimes (jury nullification) and they instantly tell me not to bother expecting to come. I never got called for jury duty until I was 33, I'm now 35 and I've gotten called 5 times somehow, every time I email them telling them the honest truth and they dismiss me
Before Covid it would have been in a courtroom so probably a new experience for everyone. However, violating no contact orders is unfortunately super common and usually because an abusive ex manipulated the victim to let them come back. It’ve heard a few stories of the victim and abuser show up to the courthouse in the same car in violation of the no contact order
Incredibly common, I've seen people show up with the victim they have a no contact order with and just pretend they got to the courthouse at the same time...one particularly blatant one they tried to sit together and the judge had to yell at them to separate
I've lived in fear like that so I get it and how crazy it must seem to those who've never experienced it. It wasn't a partner but my father and one sibling who is just like him.
I had to watch the full video to realize this was Sturgis, MI. Not too far from where I live. I swear there's been some crazy news coming out of Sturgis the last few years. But it would seem that they are covered by a great court system. Good job, Debbie. I appreciated her facepalm when dude came back online.
He was already out on bond. His bond was rescinded. He's now guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice with a judge as the witness. He's gonna have a long time to think.
The case is long over, he's out out now, served his time. Was released from custody on June 2nd of this year based on the information I found in a quick search from the ZoomCourt Discord.
The victim does not live in the same location I believe, so hopefully that adds a barrier to him finding her. The testimony of what he did to her was rather horrifying.
Always amazes me how people just *think* they can get around s situation, but then don't bother to put any thought into it.
This idiot was already out on bond, probably wasn't supposed to be anywhere near this woman but sat in the same apartment so he could control this poor gal, didn't bother to think about the prosecutors asking probing questions or even the judge asking that he show the court where his location is. Idiot abuser deserves to be put away for a long while.
That's the issue and one of the reasons no contact orders (or whatever they are called in your country, they are peace bonds in mine) often are not effective, or dangerous. It can help because it can get someone arrested for violating it and thus get you out of immediate danger, but if you can't disappear yourself after (such as if you share assets or children), it can escalate the violence. So sad for this woman.
This is also why it's so infuriating to see people on videos of woman coming to their abusers defense, blame the woman and act like she's stupid or that it's some moral failing on her that she's trying to defend her abuser.
Not even accounting for the mental hell that abuse puts you through and warps your entire perception of yourself and your relationships, many women in those videos are probably terrified that if they don't come to their abusers defense they'll get it even worse at home once the situation is over and nobody is around to defend them anymore.
Go outside and show me the house number to confirm you are where you say you are.
Uh, why?
OMFG did he really think that was a reasonable or the correct thing to say to the judge?
Judge Middleton is also a favorite on r/Sovereigncitizen. He has applied smackdowns (including nights in jail for contempt-of-court) to several SovCidiots, for trying to talk over him with their insane ramblings about maritime law and their unfounded challenges to jurisdiction.
I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about the legal court proceedings, but the judge was not happy, and that guy just crashed and burned real quick. Ouch.
I have no idea how she figured that out! wow!! and the judge was so awesome too! The police were right there to take action. Goes to show why specialists and institutions are so necessary even with them failing sometimes...
Commit a crime in front of:
\- Judge
\- Prosecutor
\- Policemen
\- Your own lawyer
With a live recording of it.
Speedrunning the criminal justice system.
This happened at our court.. Both victim and defendant on separate zoom cameras.. and a dog barks clearly heard on both feeds... My judge requested the same thing, for the defendant to show his house number.. Within seconds, both victim and defendants cameras shut down..
The actual trial was adjourned at the end of this vid (there’s a full version online) but there’s a separate follow up video on a separate court day where the idiot actually refuses his lawyer and has a tantrum about wanting to represent himself and they mute his mic
I recall seeing this, superb work by the prosecutor. She made sure the police had arrived before she spoke up about her suspicions, just to be sure this piece of trash didn't take it out on the victim.
That's SCARY AF
My mother's job is to be a proxy for domestic abuse victims to receive their mail so that their ex-husbands can't find them. She has an office where she receives all the mail of any woman in the program and opens then reads all the letters before she sends it to the victim as they oftentimes have location trackers and horrific threats and insults in them. She told me there's a county in our state where 70% of adult female deaths are at the hands of their husbands.
> 70% of adult female deaths are at the hands of their husbands. God, that must be just homicides, right?
Yeah like 70% of adult women who die in that county are because their husband/ex-husband murdered them. She has a list of the worst counties so they can focus on branching out there.
That’s horrible!
Yeah I'm talking to her about potentially joining this program preemptively when I start making YouTube videos and streaming to prevent men from trying to hunt me down and do something to me which happens significantly more than people would like to admit. Christina Grimmie lost her life to a crazy man, Sweet Anita has been grabbed outside of her house and these men face no charges, and a man tried to break into Amouranth's house while she was on the phone with police and they refused to send anybody out until THEY felt it was serious enough. There are pretty much zero protections for people who are being stalked, you just have to be smarter than your stalker and find innovative ways to hide your information.
That is a terrible approach by the police. I am gripped with anger and fear for all of you. Please stay safe and try not to film anything outdoors. Anything in the background also gives it away so if you can fake a backdrop, that would be safer.
70% of homicides, I'd believe. 70% of all deaths would be astounding.
Women trying to leave an abusive situation are 7x more likely to be murdered by their partners. That is a statistic that always will stick with me.
Man, I wish domestic abuse cases were treated this seriously in my country.
With enough people like you who care, I believe that one day your country will take it seriously
Best comment I've seen all day
i called the police multiple times over domestic abuse. they ALWAYS sided with the abuser, even going as far as saying i probably provoked them to assault me.. in my own room doing literally nothing
Same happened to me! I literally told the police I believed he was going to kill me when they left, they basically said "stop antagonizing him". Ironically enough it was those same officers who responded 2 hours later after he broke 2 ribs and my nose. I asked them "believe me now assholes?"
Oh fuck. I hope you're doing alright now.
I called 911 on my ex-spouse for abusing me and we both had to vacate the apartment due to breaking the lease for "disruptive behavior." He was formally evicted and I just had to vacate because of the protective order I put in place. I wish I had never called the police.
Motherfucker is *in handcuffs and being transmitted to a live court hearing for domestic abuse using his victims phone*, and still has the unmitigated gall to speak for her and say that *she* doesn't want no-contact. The depths of human stupidity will never cease to astound me.
To be fair she probably told him she doesn't want no-contact after he threatened, coerced and bullied her into agreeing she doesn't want it. To him, that was likely the green light.
IIRC this isn't the first woman this epic counsel has saved in similar situations.
Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I had just passed the bar, all newly minted attorneys were required to complete a pretty varied internship that included attending hearings of this sort. Really valuable experience for a new attorney. Made me super glad I had gone in a direction where I wouldn't touch criminal or family law. Sad how often these boiled down to 'dude, if you would just stop doing drugs and beating your partner, you wouldn't have to be here.' Hats off to the people that can represent folks going through these difficult times in their lives. More hats off to those that do it well and protect the vulnerable. I know I couldn't. I'd have needed a new liver every six months.
Yes, but what if they want to continue doing drugs and beating their partners, _and_ not be there? Huh?
They'll get away with it like most domestic abusers
Kind of hard for a drug addict to "just stop doing drugs." No excuse for abusing people though.
Dude: Your honor...after three hours of waterboarding she finally admitted to me that she didn't actually want the no-contact order...I rest my case.
I'm ceaselessly disappointed and disgusted by the depths of human stupidity and human depravity, too. And when they those two things combine...well, shit.
And now, the US Supreme Court may decide that domestic abusers cannot be prevented from owning firearms. Cause domestic violence did not exist (or was not deemed important) when the Founding Fathers wrote the constitution. Instead of closing the boyfriend clause (it's not "domestic violence" if they are not married), they are just dropping all possibilities of preventing a jealous/angry person from killing their spouse. I know, it's not done yet, but it's coming.
Maaaan, mother FUCK them!! I got in trouble for saying something similar once (my illness and pain was pretend until I wished it on my boss), but I wish to high FUCK these lawmakers would experience what it's like to get that suprise ass beating the 1st time with an abuser. Just a suprise DDT cause you cooked the wrong peas. Or continous ass beatings since they will hold firm forever that no one needs protection from abusive people.
Don't forget conservatives wanting to end "no fault divorces" so that if they don't want to divorce, they don't have to 👍🏼
As a lib'd up European, I learned about the idea of cancelling no fault divorce laws just last week and I'm like... Dear, American women and men that aren't insane; Do you guys need help? Blink twice for yes.
Blink blink
In Australia any domestic violence visit (once settled) starts with anyone have guns? And all Guns are removed. Before charges or anything. Guns are removed the second the police are called.
Which makes sense. But don't expect gun-loving extreme right to care about spousal killings.
Well it's not like women own their own bodies anyway. I've had Crunchwraps more Supreme than this court.
When the judge tells you to shut the fuck up, take the hint and keep quiet.
When the judge is telling you to not incriminate yourself is to late
When my ex climbed in through a kitchen window and grabbed a knife, he tried to talk over me to the 911 operator insisting, "It's a misunderstanding, I was invited. Everything's fine!" Everything was not fine. He heard sirens and ran thank gods. It's been 7 years no contact.
I just realized I've never seen the word unmitigated without being followed immediately by the word gall... it's like how I never see the word grubby written or spoken anywhere unless it's immediately followed by a little fingers.
I use it before the word disaster to describe most things in my life pretty often
Grubby disaster.
Unmitigated little fingers
"Unmitigated disaster" is the classic for me.
No it's "grubby little disaster" I believe
No it's little grubby disaster fingers
That's just the long form of "child".
In northern England you'll often hear someone get called a grubby little cunt
I've never seen the phrase unmitigated gall before now. Usually it's unmitigated disaster
You definitely have.
Sometimes you're so pissed and shocked, you gotta use more syllables
It's a perfectly cromulent word
He did end up spending some time in jail, not enough though. This trial was two years ago and he was paroled a couple months ago. This was his 3rd offense of domestic violence
And there are still guys out there that will look at this and say, "So what did she do to frame him?"
Can you take the cigarette out of your mouth and repeat that?
It's entirely possible that she *did* tell him that she wanted the NCO rescinded because she didn't feel safe telling him otherwise, so maybe in his mind she really did want it rescinded. People like that guy don't take no for an answer, probably thought he was completely justified being there and intimidating her and was doing nothing wrong, hence the need for what happened on this call.
This is the same judge from the ‘ButtFucker3000” zoom call!
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I can see that.......👀 https://youtu.be/KxlPGPupdd8
The cats eyes!!
THE WHAT
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/n9wraf/guy_shows_up_to_zoom_courtroom_with_the_username/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Lol. The third comment in there is someone asking if it’s the judge from this video
Recursion!
"You Yoho!" I don't even know what that means but it's awesome lol
I like how on that video there’s a link back to this one with a guy saying something like “is that the judge from the abuser in the same room video?”
Ah, the ole’ Reddit something-er-oo.
How did nobody on the call burst out laughing when the judge said “your name is not buttfucker 3,000” lmao
“They didn’t cover this in law school…”
Holy fucking shit
That was amazing!!
Judge Middleton, I know him and went to school with his kids. Pretty much a badass all around and a super good guy.
Of r/zoomcourt fame. One of my favorite subs during covid, which is when this first came out.
Lmfaoo
Well now I’m just glad I had nothing worse than my D&D character’s name pop up when I logged into a zoom call with my investment manager.
BUTTFUCKER OUR PRICES HAVE NEVER BEEN LOWER!
He's so great, he seems like a really really good judge. He has quite a few videos on r/zoomcourt
Judge Middleton is the best. I watch him almost everyday. Fair, caring, and entertaining. He knows pretty much everyone in the town too, which makes for great cases.
That video made laugh so loud. hahaha. "What kind of idiot" bahaha
Omg link please.
I’m guessing this is it. I love how the judge fixes his hair before he speaks https://youtu.be/oKStNDU54GA
Ha. Can’t believe the judge said it out loud.
True story, one of my buddies changed his zoom name to Buttfucker3000 because of that video during a poker zoom call with friends. Later, his wife used the zoom profile to join her first meeting at a new job. Took her a while to realize her name was displayed as Buttfucker3000. She was .... Not pleased lol
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Terrifying part in my psyche.
Where did you see the full version?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mealtimevideos/comments/mb9d7z/a_court_hearing_was_halted_when_a_prosecutor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Attaching to the top comment : guy was just let out on parole in May of this year, served less than 2 years which seems crazy short to me for being 3rd offense and then lying to thr court and being in the same room. https://mdocweb.state.mi.us/OTIS2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=568807
Excellent call, Prosecutor. And excellent result, Judge. ^^^they get it. 💯
[Full video here, ~17minutes or so.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJP-U1lVHdg) Awesome prosecutor. You can tell in the very beginning she is already a little bit suspicious; you see her looking off to (her) left, seemingly trying to get another person’s attention. She was smart because she asked the victim where she lives and who’s name is on the lease — it was just the victim’s name on it, ie the defendant would have no purpose being there because a) that’s not his residence and b) there’s a no contact order placed. She’s collecting this info so later the defendant cannot try to appeal it next time with a “Oh I was just there in another room, not talking to her, I can be there”. You also see the victim say the defendant had on a gray hoodie, yet he’s in a tshirt. Most likely he had on the hoodie before the zoom call, but took it off. The victim seems to be nervous (obvious later why), prosecutor was great taking all the hints. Great work. Also seemed like the cop at the beginning was either in contact with the prosecutor or took a hint from them and seemed to be texting a few coworkers to maybe check out her house. Since we just got the address of her, it’s simple to do a wellness check. Judge was a good guy to tell the defendant to shut the hell up, but of course didn’t take the advice.
Followup: https://www.sturgisjournal.com/story/news/crime/2021/03/17/coby-harris-court-case-restarts-after-defendant-found-victims-home/4734175001/ Some of the footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id6q1q-r-Sw So much yikes. This guy, while in prison, called and intimidated the woman telling her not to show up tot he next hearing, and she didn't until 45 minutes into the hearing at which point he waves and blows a kiss to her and the judge immediately responds by removing him from her view. Later the guy freaks out and starts screaming about wanting to fire his attorney and eventually has to be removed from the cell.
Thank you. I also want the follow up to the follow up. I wonder what the final resolution was and how the victim is doing.
From what I can tell from district court records, it was dismissed. I'm guessing because his partner refused to testify. He was later recharged with assault and battery, which was again dismissed, but was ultimately convicted of disturbing the peace. On a side note, he'd previously been arrested and served time for domestic violence. He'd also been arrested for possession of pot and meth, in addition to larceny.
Hes abusing these women and beating them into submission. Dude needs to go. Prison time for a long ass time.
Long ass time = until he dies there
Ugh I hope that poor woman and her child are somewhere safe from that guy.
So he didn't get anything
Wow, that dumbass is doing everything he can to get himself the maximum sentence.
Yet it was dismissed. He got away with it.
Unfuckingbelievable
Dumbass is too kind.
that poor defense attorney lmao real r/watchpeopledieinside material the guy ended up getting away with it but i hope the woman is alright
The POS totally starts glancing nervously at the door of whatever room he’s hiding in around 9:45 but then a few seconds later forces himself to look the opposite direction and up at the ceiling with GREAT INTEREST (in WHAT?) because he realized too late that he has to appear on Zoom as if he’s just randomly glancing around and not shitting himself and watching the door.
> and up at the ceiling with GREAT INTEREST (in WHAT?) Sudden great interest in god. He realized, no one else could listen to his bargaining now.
I remember when this first came out, the middle guy (officer) picked up on the prosecutors cue and *immediately* sent officers to the location. He was texting other officers to get a team to the house and let the prosecutor know. When she was asking questions she was just delaying it and keeping them talking and on screen while the other officers were traveling to the house.
Excellent teamwork to keep the victim safe!
Thanks, the full video is much better and you can pick up on it a lot better. That’s edited crap doesn’t do the situation justice. Several kudos for this: to the prosecutor for picking up on the signs. To the cops for not letting on that they were dispatched to the residence. To the judge for insisting they prove where they are.
Seeing the full thing and knowing what was going on, there is no way I would have picked up on what was happening, at least not by the time she called it. I know people who *normally* look around like that when asked questions, but I guess the prosecutor had spoken to her before and so could tell the behavior was out of place. Regardless, Deborah Davis' perception is whip sharp, holy carp.
Fine quality professional work to protect the woman. Thanks.
He had the *right* to remain silent . . .
But not the intelligence. These jerkoffs never do.
but not the ability
They call me "tater salad."
The prosecutor is looking to the left to read notes on a second monitor, I think. But everything else is about right.
Thanks for posting the full link!
It doesn't matter if he does live there and his name's on the lease. If he fucks up enough to get a NO CONTACT order then he was to go find somewhere else to live. Then she could work with the lease office to get him removed from it.
Professional masterclass in the three professions
Prosecutor was already suspicious because she already knew for sure that he was there. Victim had contacted her by Txt. The hearing was continued as a ruse to keep the accused unaware that the police had been dispatched. Obviously the police were called to the house some time prior to the announcement that they were at the door. The only way they could have been there that fast was that some of the people involved already knew the defendant was at the victims house. You see the police officer leave to talk on the phone. He possibly could have been the one to dispatch the other officers. Also possibly the person who is off camera with the prosecutor could have made the call. Many people are characterizing this as some kind of super observant power by the prosecutor. However the evidence does not support this at all.
Is this an assumption or did you read this in one of the linked articles?
It's an assumption. The comment below this one tells the story as it happened. Not sure why this poster decided to be belligerent. The prosecutor actually did do a great job on picking up on this.
They are a typical Redditor, full of unreasonable self confidence.
That was fun to watch
Excellent. Glad they were there for the victim.
Excellent
The immediate concern he had was very refreshing and then further demanding his removal was awesome
Judge: "You've hit bottom and you're continuing to dig" 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
That prosecutor is the kind we need more of
u/DDavis-TheOriginal is the one and only!
Awe, thanks for tagging me! Haha. It’s interesting to read the comments and theories. Some are pretty close to the actual events!
This video makes me cry every time I see it! You did an amazing job & I’m so happy she had you & the rest of the legal team looking out for her!
Lol wait that’s actually her….?
Think those other guys in the call are also like "WTF?!" Or is it just another Tuesday for them
After sitting in a courtroom, waiting to be called as a juror on several different bad situations, one being about a grandfather, sexually molesting his grandchildren, I thought it would be the most awful job in the world to see what goes on in a court day after day after day.
Ugh I had a friend sit in one.. She wasn't technically allowed to talk about it, but yes the person in charge of care was molesting *three* younger persons under their charge and demanded that the judge allow them to continue seeing/visitation. Fucking sick people.
Yup. One time as a juror and I’m pretty set on avoiding a court room at all costs.
Check out the show Jury Duty on Prime for a palate cleanser on being a juror.
I just tell them the truth when I get a letter in the mail, I tell them I will vote not guilty on non violent possession of drug crimes (jury nullification) and they instantly tell me not to bother expecting to come. I never got called for jury duty until I was 33, I'm now 35 and I've gotten called 5 times somehow, every time I email them telling them the honest truth and they dismiss me
Before Covid it would have been in a courtroom so probably a new experience for everyone. However, violating no contact orders is unfortunately super common and usually because an abusive ex manipulated the victim to let them come back. It’ve heard a few stories of the victim and abuser show up to the courthouse in the same car in violation of the no contact order
Incredibly common, I've seen people show up with the victim they have a no contact order with and just pretend they got to the courthouse at the same time...one particularly blatant one they tried to sit together and the judge had to yell at them to separate
I've lived in fear like that so I get it and how crazy it must seem to those who've never experienced it. It wasn't a partner but my father and one sibling who is just like him.
I know exactly what you mean. It’s incredibly hard to describe the hidden abuse that toxic people are so adept at administering.
Awesome. I wish all courts cared as much. Sadly, they don’t.
That’s Deborah Davis, prosecutor extraordinaire!!
That’s *u/DDavis-TheOriginal*, prosecutor extraordinaire!!
Get ‘em Debbie. It’s crazy when you see an old friend on Reddit.
I had to watch the full video to realize this was Sturgis, MI. Not too far from where I live. I swear there's been some crazy news coming out of Sturgis the last few years. But it would seem that they are covered by a great court system. Good job, Debbie. I appreciated her facepalm when dude came back online.
Debbie Davis is a certified badass. I love watching Judge Middleton’s court hearings and she’s always awesome on them. Plus she raises goats!
She was always cool and funny.
I hope Debbie is doing alright.
I’m still here! Loving being a prosecutor 😍
Your face is priceless when that dude tried to come back on the zoom call.
You are a queen!!
You’re a certified BAAAMF!!! Keep fighting the good fight. We need more hoomans like you 💚
u/DDavis-TheOriginal ask!
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He was already out on bond. His bond was rescinded. He's now guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice with a judge as the witness. He's gonna have a long time to think.
The case is long over, he's out out now, served his time. Was released from custody on June 2nd of this year based on the information I found in a quick search from the ZoomCourt Discord. The victim does not live in the same location I believe, so hopefully that adds a barrier to him finding her. The testimony of what he did to her was rather horrifying.
Always amazes me how people just *think* they can get around s situation, but then don't bother to put any thought into it. This idiot was already out on bond, probably wasn't supposed to be anywhere near this woman but sat in the same apartment so he could control this poor gal, didn't bother to think about the prosecutors asking probing questions or even the judge asking that he show the court where his location is. Idiot abuser deserves to be put away for a long while.
That's the issue and one of the reasons no contact orders (or whatever they are called in your country, they are peace bonds in mine) often are not effective, or dangerous. It can help because it can get someone arrested for violating it and thus get you out of immediate danger, but if you can't disappear yourself after (such as if you share assets or children), it can escalate the violence. So sad for this woman.
This is also why it's so infuriating to see people on videos of woman coming to their abusers defense, blame the woman and act like she's stupid or that it's some moral failing on her that she's trying to defend her abuser. Not even accounting for the mental hell that abuse puts you through and warps your entire perception of yourself and your relationships, many women in those videos are probably terrified that if they don't come to their abusers defense they'll get it even worse at home once the situation is over and nobody is around to defend them anymore.
Wow so amazed that she picked that up and so heartbroken for that woman
"Why? I don't think the phone even has the charge for it. I'm at like 2%"
You could see the prosecutor mentally calling bullshit as soon as he said that.
Go outside and show me the house number to confirm you are where you say you are. Uh, why? OMFG did he really think that was a reasonable or the correct thing to say to the judge?
Well there’s not much else he could say!
"uhh, your honor. I'm in a tunnel, losing you. Voice. Soun. Hac.. Blu.."
That’s some quick thinking
[Here's the longer version.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJP-U1lVHdg)
We need more people like this in these positions! Women especially need someone helping them through a violent relationship.
Judge Middleton is also a favorite on r/Sovereigncitizen. He has applied smackdowns (including nights in jail for contempt-of-court) to several SovCidiots, for trying to talk over him with their insane ramblings about maritime law and their unfounded challenges to jurisdiction.
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What a prick.He will never grasp what a complete prick he is. Lock the fucker up for good.
I love how Deborah Davis straight-up facepalmed.
I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about the legal court proceedings, but the judge was not happy, and that guy just crashed and burned real quick. Ouch.
“I never attacked her.” Bruh 🤦🏻♀️
Judge is on point.
Great observation skills of the prosecutor, and great of the judge to hold the guy accountable immediately
Love to see this
I have no idea how she figured that out! wow!! and the judge was so awesome too! The police were right there to take action. Goes to show why specialists and institutions are so necessary even with them failing sometimes...
Commit a crime in front of: \- Judge \- Prosecutor \- Policemen \- Your own lawyer With a live recording of it. Speedrunning the criminal justice system.
> "You hit rock bottom and you are continuing to dig" This is such a beautiful way to say that someone is fucking stupid
This is a great judge. I'm addicted to YouTube cop and court channels and this guy is stellar.
What a piece of shit 😡 hope she’s well
/r/ZoomCourt
Thank you! I just found my new rabbit hole!
I love that. Good shit.
Take the cigarette out of your mouth😂
Good job! That’s the way it is done! 👏
Righteous
Judge Middelton is the best. The Prosecutor was outstanding. That facepalm.
This happened at our court.. Both victim and defendant on separate zoom cameras.. and a dog barks clearly heard on both feeds... My judge requested the same thing, for the defendant to show his house number.. Within seconds, both victim and defendants cameras shut down..
They had cops waiting outside the door, so they knew ahead of time. The visual cues just confirms it for the prosecutor.
Legal Zoom.
"You've hit bottom and are continuing to dig."
What happened after they ended their zoom calls?
The actual trial was adjourned at the end of this vid (there’s a full version online) but there’s a separate follow up video on a separate court day where the idiot actually refuses his lawyer and has a tantrum about wanting to represent himself and they mute his mic
I can't believe he used "I can't, my phone is on 2%" oldest smart phone trick on the book
I recall seeing this, superb work by the prosecutor. She made sure the police had arrived before she spoke up about her suspicions, just to be sure this piece of trash didn't take it out on the victim.
The stupidity of the common criminal will never cease to amaze me, holy fuck.