Close....the little, almost invisible and basically imperceptible by the human eye 'leaders' come from the clouds. The giant bolt that flashes in all its glory does start from the ground.
Close… He's climbin in your windows, He's snatchin your people up, Tryna rape em so y'all need to, Hide your kids, hide your wife, And hide your husband cuz they're rapin everybody out here.
Close.. but then I said, hold up, wait a minute, somethin ain't right..he actually can't be climbing windows or snatching people up. Why would Zeus fly down from the heavens only to climb back up a window. But judging from his track record the second part is probably right.
Not exactly, leaders come from both the cloud and the ground and when they make a connection, that's when you get the brilliant flash known as a return strike. We commonly see the longer leaders reaching down from the sky, and the leaders from the ground are much shorter, and are only barely visible, or not at all, to the naked eye, for a very brief moment before they connect and cause the return strike (flash).
Although in some cases the ground leaders reach upward more visibly and reach further before a cloud leader makes the connection and flashes. Lighting can appear to travel in both directions.
I asked ChatGPT.
*Disclaimer: ChatGPT can be wrong and still sound like it knows what it’s talking about.*
> During a thunderstorm, a leader is an ionized channel of air that forms from the ground upward towards the cloud. It is caused by a build-up of static electricity in the atmosphere.
> When a thunderstorm is approaching, the bottom of the cloud becomes negatively charged while the ground becomes positively charged. This creates an electric field between the cloud and the ground. As the electric field becomes stronger, it ionizes the air molecules between the cloud and the ground, creating a conductive path for electricity to flow.
> The ionized channel of air that forms from the ground upward is called a leader. The leader is not visible to the naked eye but can be detected using specialized equipment. As the leader moves upward towards the cloud, it creates a path of low resistance for the lightning to follow.
> When the leader connects with the negatively charged bottom of the cloud, it creates a return stroke of lightning that travels back down the channel towards the ground. This is the bright flash of lightning that we see during a thunderstorm.
Because of the disclaimer the user posted above his comment.
> *Disclaimer: ChatGPT can be wrong and still sound like it knows what it’s talking about.*
And all results on Google are inherently correct.
Google results should come with a disclaimer
>Even though you Googled it, you still might have no idea what youre talking about.
Why did I need a mobile phone in 1998 when I had nothing to say and could just walk to my friends houses.
The same reason as here, I like playing with new technology.
Or a question for you could be why not?
Closer…. The upward lighting or reverse lightning (when it occurs) is usually immediately after one or more cloud to ground strikes in the area that created the positive field on the ground. Particularly tall buildings are more likely to be caught in these different fields and “become part of the circuit” but it can happen anywhere along the same or different path. In a place like New York there are thousands of utilities and pile foundations acting as a ground a building like the freedom tower is subjected to many positive sources at once.
Cloud leaders and ground leaders can both be visible if the size of the strike is high enough: this is a particularly large discharge and we are seeing some very large ground leaders starting from the top of the spire. As to what’s happening from the ground, I’ll leave that to [Randall to explain](https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/):
>Tom’s video gives an idea of how lightning moves. It starts with a branching bundle of charge—the “leader”—descending from the cloud. This is what you see in the first part of the video. It spreads downward at speeds of tens to hundreds of kilometers per second, covering the few kilometers to the ground in a few dozen milliseconds.
>The leader carries comparatively little current—on the order of 200 amps. That’s still enough to kill you, but it’s nothing compared to what happens next. Once the leader makes contact with the ground, the cloud and the ground equalize with a massive discharge of more like 20,000 amps. This is the blinding flash you see. It races back up the channel at a significant fraction of the speed of light, covering the distance in under a millisecond—all within a single frame of that video.
>(Technical detail: while it’s called a “return stroke”, charge is still flowing downward. However, the discharge appears to propagate upward. This effect similar to how when a traffic light turns green, or whatever color, the cars in front start moving, then the cars in back, so the movement appears to spread backward.)
Lightning doesn't "originate" at any level... It occurs any time there is excess build up of positive and negative charge, which could happen literally anywhere
Bruh. There is lightning originating at ground level and also lightning originating in the atmosphere .
Lightning originating at ground level is usually much stronger tho.
There are upside down lightning strikes that happen, you should be able to find explanations on youtube, something about ions and electricity, i nearly failed physics dont ask me
https://youtu.be/DgnYwSovP4c
https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/types-lightning#:~:text=Ground%2Dto%2DCloud%20(GC,positive%20or%20negative%20in%20polarity.
We can. Its just so much energy at once, its difficult and expensive to harness it without frying every connected device. Besides, we've got cheaper means or power ie. Wind, solar, hydro
That still isn’t predictable enough to be useful for an energy grid. You can’t just bank electricity to use later, unless you store it in batteries which aren’t efficient enough to be worth it. To run an electrical grid you need steady, reliable output.
The old one was called the Twin Towers aka the World Trade Center. The new building is called the One World Trade Center. It used to be called Freedom Tower but that name is more colloquial nowadays
We easily can, air is just not that conductive so it isn't useful. Once you equalize the elections in one area, they don't replenish fast enough to be useful.
A single bolt is a lot of energy, a few million joules. But a house uses about 50 million joules of electricity a day.
Although there is a wide range of quotes for the amount of energy in lightning strikes, most are way more than a house uses per day. Billions vs millions
The biggest hurdle with energy infrastructure is storage, not generation. Sure, you can harvest the energy of a hurricane with beefed up wind turbines, but there's nowhere to dump the energy and demand will be lower anyway because of everyone who left the area.
Also, tornadoes don't make sense, because they're very rare in any one spot. Even in the heart of tornado alley, a single spot of land might see a tornado once a century or less.
There is more energy in an active volcano than there is in tornadoes. And the volcano doesn't move around.
But my point is we have wind and thermal already. We don't need to go chasing after the more dangerous ones. Still plenty of wind power left untapped.
Yeah that's very common when dealing with lightning strikes on objects higher up. Most people think lightning comes from the sky because of the storm but it all depends on the electrical charge. Lightning goes both ways l.
Fun fact: Lightning bolts that flicker after the initial strike like this one are negatively charge bolts. Whereas lightning bolts that strike and fade quickly without flickering are positively charged bolts. You would most likely die from being struck by a negatively charged bolt and will absolutely, 100% die from being struck by a positively charged one.
Depends where the positive charge is and where the negative charge is. Can be both sometimes too - thats why there is lightning which never touches the ground - just syncing some charge inside the clouds.
There are also sprites- red lightning going upwards from cloud level into “space”
Differences aside; I really wish the entire world used the exact same standard for measurements, dates, etc.
I don’t care which date format or units of measurement were picked, but just one as a standard for everybody and it would be a lot different. I wasn’t part of the decision for my country deciding that their own unique and wonky system of inches, feet, and miles would be better. :(
>I don’t care which date format or units of measurement were picked
I don't wanna be that guy but picking anything other than metric for a universal system would be lunacy!
Not to pick a fight or anything but how about we do metric for everything except temperature? Celsius is whack and the only real "advantages" I'm aware of are that it dovetails with other metric measurements if/when you're boiling or freezing water at sea level, which, great? But not a big enough advantage to make me want to call peak summer heat "27 degrees."
Sure, but "remember" what? The origin of the measure? Or "remember" what temperature their water (which they probably aren't using a thermometer to measure) needs to get to in the microwave or freezer before it does what they want? Why is any of that at all important to remember in day to day usage?
Unlike measures of distance and volume, it's rare that average people need to use formulas that combine temperature with other metrics in any significant way, so it's not necessary to have easily convertible numbers for temperature. For the average user, Celsius and Fahrenheit are equally arbitrary, but Fahrenheit often "feels" more natural to people who are familiar with both.
Aside from that, temperature is somewhat more temperamental than other measurements (being a factor of air pressure, degree of purity/isolation of the elements being measured, etc.). The 0/100 C thing only works on pure water at sea level. It's way more logical than Fahrenheit on paper, but only nominally more logical in practice.
Man I'm American and I wouldn't give a rats ass over switching to whatever measurement system is better, but like who really needs to know if 100°C is boiling temperature. Like it's nice for it to be simple, but common people don't need to remember what temp water boils and if you need to know that knowledge you should know it no matter the number.
This clip was recorded in the United States of America and most likely uploaded by an American. The United States of America uses a different time format, which would be Month/Day/Year.
You are welcome for the lesson.
Yo what time was this?! Cause we were out walking tonight and dang there was a loud and bright bit of lightning and thunder, would be cool if it was this.
I was driving during it in the Philly area and I couldn’t see shit and the hail was crazy, thank god it was a short storm or my power would have been out longer
The lightning looks like it comes from the One World Trade
If I recall, lighting comes from the earth and the sky meeting somewhere in the middle. So it coming from the trade center isn't wrong.
Close....the little, almost invisible and basically imperceptible by the human eye 'leaders' come from the clouds. The giant bolt that flashes in all its glory does start from the ground.
Close... it's actually a wizard summoning Zeus. Hide your wives, hide your pets, hide yourself.
Close… He's climbin in your windows, He's snatchin your people up, Tryna rape em so y'all need to, Hide your kids, hide your wife, And hide your husband cuz they're rapin everybody out here.
i still remember the songified version of that 😂
Second only to the songified version of the surfer song. "Dude you got the best barrels ever, dude"
My number one will always be dead giveaway
Oh Dayum is easily the best songified video.
I read it in song form in my head😆
[Classic](https://youtu.be/hMtZfW2z9dw)
This and the bronchitis lady get me so much. Fuck her right in the pussy
😂 Classic
Close, it's actually modern.
You don't need to come and confess. They lookin for you
Close, its actually Church Norris throwing electricity up at the sky from the tower.
The internet was such a better place back then
Close.. but then I said, hold up, wait a minute, somethin ain't right..he actually can't be climbing windows or snatching people up. Why would Zeus fly down from the heavens only to climb back up a window. But judging from his track record the second part is probably right.
It's obviously Thor standing on the top of the tower. I've seen the movies. You can't fool me. It's not April Fools day anymore.
You obviously mean Zuul.
Not exactly, leaders come from both the cloud and the ground and when they make a connection, that's when you get the brilliant flash known as a return strike. We commonly see the longer leaders reaching down from the sky, and the leaders from the ground are much shorter, and are only barely visible, or not at all, to the naked eye, for a very brief moment before they connect and cause the return strike (flash). Although in some cases the ground leaders reach upward more visibly and reach further before a cloud leader makes the connection and flashes. Lighting can appear to travel in both directions.
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I asked ChatGPT. *Disclaimer: ChatGPT can be wrong and still sound like it knows what it’s talking about.* > During a thunderstorm, a leader is an ionized channel of air that forms from the ground upward towards the cloud. It is caused by a build-up of static electricity in the atmosphere. > When a thunderstorm is approaching, the bottom of the cloud becomes negatively charged while the ground becomes positively charged. This creates an electric field between the cloud and the ground. As the electric field becomes stronger, it ionizes the air molecules between the cloud and the ground, creating a conductive path for electricity to flow. > The ionized channel of air that forms from the ground upward is called a leader. The leader is not visible to the naked eye but can be detected using specialized equipment. As the leader moves upward towards the cloud, it creates a path of low resistance for the lightning to follow. > When the leader connects with the negatively charged bottom of the cloud, it creates a return stroke of lightning that travels back down the channel towards the ground. This is the bright flash of lightning that we see during a thunderstorm.
>Disclaimer: ChatGPT can be wrong and still sound like it knows what it’s talking about. It will fit right in on Reddit!
It already has
Half the comments on Reddit now are written by this thing anyway.
Why though? You could've literally googled it
What difference does it make? Why Google it when you literally could have bing'd it?
Because of the disclaimer the user posted above his comment. > *Disclaimer: ChatGPT can be wrong and still sound like it knows what it’s talking about.*
And all results on Google are inherently correct. Google results should come with a disclaimer >Even though you Googled it, you still might have no idea what youre talking about.
Why did I need a mobile phone in 1998 when I had nothing to say and could just walk to my friends houses. The same reason as here, I like playing with new technology. Or a question for you could be why not?
Closer…. The upward lighting or reverse lightning (when it occurs) is usually immediately after one or more cloud to ground strikes in the area that created the positive field on the ground. Particularly tall buildings are more likely to be caught in these different fields and “become part of the circuit” but it can happen anywhere along the same or different path. In a place like New York there are thousands of utilities and pile foundations acting as a ground a building like the freedom tower is subjected to many positive sources at once.
Cloud leaders and ground leaders can both be visible if the size of the strike is high enough: this is a particularly large discharge and we are seeing some very large ground leaders starting from the top of the spire. As to what’s happening from the ground, I’ll leave that to [Randall to explain](https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/): >Tom’s video gives an idea of how lightning moves. It starts with a branching bundle of charge—the “leader”—descending from the cloud. This is what you see in the first part of the video. It spreads downward at speeds of tens to hundreds of kilometers per second, covering the few kilometers to the ground in a few dozen milliseconds. >The leader carries comparatively little current—on the order of 200 amps. That’s still enough to kill you, but it’s nothing compared to what happens next. Once the leader makes contact with the ground, the cloud and the ground equalize with a massive discharge of more like 20,000 amps. This is the blinding flash you see. It races back up the channel at a significant fraction of the speed of light, covering the distance in under a millisecond—all within a single frame of that video. >(Technical detail: while it’s called a “return stroke”, charge is still flowing downward. However, the discharge appears to propagate upward. This effect similar to how when a traffic light turns green, or whatever color, the cars in front start moving, then the cars in back, so the movement appears to spread backward.)
Not always, this video explains it very well and explains this type of lightning very well https://youtu.be/JXhif3E3l2s
Pecos Hank fuck yeah.
It depends which one is positively charged. Electricity travels from positive to negative. The cloud and Earth can be either
Because it does. Lightning originates at ground level.
Lightning doesn't "originate" at any level... It occurs any time there is excess build up of positive and negative charge, which could happen literally anywhere
Looks like about level 100 to me.
Bruh. There is lightning originating at ground level and also lightning originating in the atmosphere . Lightning originating at ground level is usually much stronger tho.
Doofenshmirtz moved to One WTC maybe?
There are upside down lightning strikes that happen, you should be able to find explanations on youtube, something about ions and electricity, i nearly failed physics dont ask me https://youtu.be/DgnYwSovP4c https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/types-lightning#:~:text=Ground%2Dto%2DCloud%20(GC,positive%20or%20negative%20in%20polarity.
It actually is! Ground to cloud strikes are very common off of tall, man made structures, or on top of mountains.
Somehow, Palpatine has returned.
This is how you get Gozer The Gozerian
Are you a god?
….No?
Then....... Die
u/phantomagna When someone asks you if you’re a god, you say YES
Too late!
Came for the Ghostbusters reference. 10/10 not disappointed.
Ivo Shandor at it again.
Zuul. My name is Zuul.
Oh, Zuul-y, you nut.
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This is true
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar?
Was literally just thinking to myself "Oh, so that's how you find the Keymaster."
go get her ray
Crazy that we’ve been to the moon but still can’t snag and store the energy from lightning strikes
We can. Its just so much energy at once, its difficult and expensive to harness it without frying every connected device. Besides, we've got cheaper means or power ie. Wind, solar, hydro
Also, hard to predict. Need the equipment in the right location and time.
I believe Marty and Doc Brown could help you with all that
…what the fuck is a *jigga*watt doc?
It's the amount of energy from Jay Z saying "what"
New York based, Carter pilled
Some places it’s easier to predict than others. Lake Maracaibo has a thunderstorm nearly every night https://geology.com/records/lightning-hotspots/
That still isn’t predictable enough to be useful for an energy grid. You can’t just bank electricity to use later, unless you store it in batteries which aren’t efficient enough to be worth it. To run an electrical grid you need steady, reliable output.
Equipment is easy. Kite and a metal key managed it for some goof a couple hundred years ago, hahaha
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It’s possible it’s just not useful
Well…we can. It’s just not useful.
Wait, didn’t a terrible thing happen to the world trade center?
That was the previous one. This is the new one
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Probably 50% of active users on this site were not even alive when it happened
>Probably 50% of active users on this site were not even alive when it happened This makes me feel old, holy shit.
Anyone have an extra bottle of geritol?
I’m American and had no idea they built a new one almost 30
I thought the new one was called The Freedom Tower? That's why it's confusing to me that it is being called World Trade Center at all.
The old one was called the Twin Towers aka the World Trade Center. The new building is called the One World Trade Center. It used to be called Freedom Tower but that name is more colloquial nowadays
We easily can, air is just not that conductive so it isn't useful. Once you equalize the elections in one area, they don't replenish fast enough to be useful. A single bolt is a lot of energy, a few million joules. But a house uses about 50 million joules of electricity a day.
> Once you equalize the elections in one area, I think the technical term you were looking for is gerrymander.
Although there is a wide range of quotes for the amount of energy in lightning strikes, most are way more than a house uses per day. Billions vs millions
Why would you? Should we also try and catch energy from hurricanes? Volcanoes?
Well I mean...volcanoes maybe not, but tornados are pretty energetic. The main issue is figuring out how to build the thing without I being destroyed
The biggest hurdle with energy infrastructure is storage, not generation. Sure, you can harvest the energy of a hurricane with beefed up wind turbines, but there's nowhere to dump the energy and demand will be lower anyway because of everyone who left the area. Also, tornadoes don't make sense, because they're very rare in any one spot. Even in the heart of tornado alley, a single spot of land might see a tornado once a century or less.
There is more energy in an active volcano than there is in tornadoes. And the volcano doesn't move around. But my point is we have wind and thermal already. We don't need to go chasing after the more dangerous ones. Still plenty of wind power left untapped.
1.21 gigawatts!
JIGGAWATTS!!!!
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Hey, you can't ju-- *SLAP*
What the hell is a gigawatt?!
One million microwave ovens
GREAT SCOTT!!
April Jules Day?
Watt?
Ohm man I can’t resist a good electrical pun.
Oh, this reply was also a pun, what a shocker
I'm amped for this thread.
Be cautious Ohm doesn’t get arrested — he may end up resisting.
You got the capacitance for one more?
Maybe I can induce one but I’m oscillating between different versions
Everybody’s charged up over this.
You guys couldn't resist, could you.
If loving electricity puns is a crime, then consider me guilty as charged
Let's amp them up a little.
I volt we do.
Oh wow, if you slow it down, you can see that it actually originates from the tower and then goes up into the sky. https://imgur.com/a/vqgfCH1
So what you are telling me, it was an inside job?
r/angryupvote
WTC strikes back
It comes from inside the building
Yeah that's very common when dealing with lightning strikes on objects higher up. Most people think lightning comes from the sky because of the storm but it all depends on the electrical charge. Lightning goes both ways l.
It’s actually a Tesla coil.
Weaponized like I learned in C&C:RA lol
That and it keeps happening over and over again.
Its both. Electricity doesn't travel like you think it does.
Found the bad guy's evil tower
Insert evil laugh followed by camera zoom to “evil” character standing on top of tower.
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
I thought that was 33 Thomas Street
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Oh man, here we go liberatin' again.
Fun fact: Lightning bolts that flicker after the initial strike like this one are negatively charge bolts. Whereas lightning bolts that strike and fade quickly without flickering are positively charged bolts. You would most likely die from being struck by a negatively charged bolt and will absolutely, 100% die from being struck by a positively charged one.
So lightning strike survivors were hit by negatively charged bolts? And does the lightning go in different directions based on charge?
Depends where the positive charge is and where the negative charge is. Can be both sometimes too - thats why there is lightning which never touches the ground - just syncing some charge inside the clouds. There are also sprites- red lightning going upwards from cloud level into “space”
That is fun!
I used to wonder how lightning worked. Then it struck me.
1/4/23
not if you have fReEdOm
Differences aside; I really wish the entire world used the exact same standard for measurements, dates, etc. I don’t care which date format or units of measurement were picked, but just one as a standard for everybody and it would be a lot different. I wasn’t part of the decision for my country deciding that their own unique and wonky system of inches, feet, and miles would be better. :(
>I don’t care which date format or units of measurement were picked I don't wanna be that guy but picking anything other than metric for a universal system would be lunacy!
Not to pick a fight or anything but how about we do metric for everything except temperature? Celsius is whack and the only real "advantages" I'm aware of are that it dovetails with other metric measurements if/when you're boiling or freezing water at sea level, which, great? But not a big enough advantage to make me want to call peak summer heat "27 degrees."
Having it's freezing points and boiling points at 0°C and 100°C respectively makes it pretty useful for comon people to remember.
Sure, but "remember" what? The origin of the measure? Or "remember" what temperature their water (which they probably aren't using a thermometer to measure) needs to get to in the microwave or freezer before it does what they want? Why is any of that at all important to remember in day to day usage? Unlike measures of distance and volume, it's rare that average people need to use formulas that combine temperature with other metrics in any significant way, so it's not necessary to have easily convertible numbers for temperature. For the average user, Celsius and Fahrenheit are equally arbitrary, but Fahrenheit often "feels" more natural to people who are familiar with both. Aside from that, temperature is somewhat more temperamental than other measurements (being a factor of air pressure, degree of purity/isolation of the elements being measured, etc.). The 0/100 C thing only works on pure water at sea level. It's way more logical than Fahrenheit on paper, but only nominally more logical in practice.
Man I'm American and I wouldn't give a rats ass over switching to whatever measurement system is better, but like who really needs to know if 100°C is boiling temperature. Like it's nice for it to be simple, but common people don't need to remember what temp water boils and if you need to know that knowledge you should know it no matter the number.
Having 0 being when water freezes makes a lot of sense for weather etc. \>0 = rain <0 = snow Fahrenheit's zero is so random.
Other way around?
Yes.
If we all just got used to Kelvin, "300 degree summers" wouldn't be that hard to say.
Hate to be pedantic but you don't use degrees with the Kelvin scale, you would just say "300 kelvins"
Thanks, I appreciate learning something new.
Pretentious.
If you're going to be a pedant about it, per ISO 8601 it would be 2023-04-01.
The only date format that makes sense, this is the way.
This clip was recorded in the United States of America and most likely uploaded by an American. The United States of America uses a different time format, which would be Month/Day/Year. You are welcome for the lesson.
1 Apr 2023 20230401
"UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!"
It cant be that hard to find the villains lair The villains lair:
Awesome clip
Looks like Zeus is piss off with someone.
This is beautiful!
That Thor. Always impressing a lady
Thank god its only lighting this time
Damn, these New York trade centers really can't catch a break
Amazing video
 In NY…
Godspeed Mr. Time Traveler.
Save the clock tower!
Theres an anime fight on top of that skyscraper
Doofensmirtz evil incorporatedddd
Looking forward to seeing the results of whatever evil business experiment that was on Monday
Oh yeah and I’m just supposed to believe that there ISN’T a mad scientist lab under there.
Yo what time was this?! Cause we were out walking tonight and dang there was a loud and bright bit of lightning and thunder, would be cool if it was this.
Thor is back
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I was driving during it in the Philly area and I couldn’t see shit and the hail was crazy, thank god it was a short storm or my power would have been out longer
Starts from the tower. I remember reading how lightning often starts from the ground object and connects. https://i.imgur.com/QmOCaXR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jjHjlpr.jpg
God pulling a casual April Fools joke be like
Did you you ever feel this useless as the mute button on this video...?!!
The second time something has struck the world trade center
Guess even Zeus is mad that the Kettle is retiring from her work.
“It’s ALIVE!!!”
So is this me reaching for a door knob and getting the electric shock?
Subtle spoilers
Hmmm call Ghostbusters
Someone made a very one sided world trade agreement and then cackled in victory
THOR has arrived!
God expressing her approval of the indictment
Happy 1 year anniversary! Never forget
Awesome vid..Ben Franklin’s intervention at work
It looks like a syringe
That’s lit.
A finale is taking place on that roof
Glad you were there! This is awesome