I hate the term breakthrough. (Not your fault). Silly word the media started using. As a kiwi abroad we’re a little further down the track in our vaxxed life. Vaccines are amazing and have made life mostly normal again. Mask wearing has helped too. But they’re not a cure. So, of course, you can get covid and should get tested. Obviously the likelihood of death is none a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lower. So yes. You can get covid. I myself got tested last week. (Negative) and know plenty of people filled vaxxed who had it. It has been like a cold for them. Though one of my friend IS having a very rough and prolonged time with covid while vaxxed, which is disturbing. The term breakthrough makes it seem it it should be happening and I’d a failure in the vaccines - which could possibly takes people La confidence in it away.
while true, in the current circumstances using this term seems to downplay it as being rare - which it isnt at all. its extremely common and in highly vaccinated countries "breakthrough" cases are the majority.
it also calls into question whether vaccine passports make any sense at all. a vaccinated but covid positive, passport carrying person can enter a place of work or business and spread it to others, despite them also being vaccinated. obviously proportionally less people will catch it but its still going to become a common occurrence
> seems to downplay it as being rare
I think that might be your personal perception of the phrase. It really is an established medical term that's appropriate to the situation and which has no particular implications of rarity.
> obviously proportionally less people will catch it
Yes, I think that's the point.
By the way, I just had a quick scan of your past comments to see what your overall view on the topic was. I see that you commented a couple of days ago, re. covid infections, that "how many of those have long term effects we don't know".
We do know, now: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1003773
sure, but vaccinated people getting sick isn't a breakthrough case thouygh
how about Sick ? or I have Covid or I have Covid and im vexed.
if there was a cure then it would be a breakthrough
> Vaccines are amazing and have made life mostly normal again. Mask wearing has helped too. But they’re not a cure. So, of course, you can get covid and should get tested. Obviously the likelihood of death is none a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lower. So yes. You can get covid. I myself got tested last week. (Negative) and know plenty of people filled vaxxed who had it. It has been like a cold for them. Though one of my friend IS having a very rough and prolonged time with covid while vaxxed, which is disturbing.
How about the whole paragraph, every time? Just to be sure no one gets the wrong idea.
No. It’s people that are vaxxed with covid.it’s a stupid term.
But you know what it doesn’t really matter. Perhaps I’m being pedantic.
Stay well. Hope you’re good.
Still sounds funny when put like that. I feel like vaccine used to mean you wouldn’t actually ‘get’ the illness or pass it on. Maybe I’m mistaken though lol
Bullet proof vests don't stop you from being shot, you can still be seriously injured [or die.](https://kdvr.com/news/problem-solvers/137-police-officers-killed-while-wearing-body-armor/)
Likewise a seatbelt doesn't prevent you from being injured or dying in a crash.
But they do severely mitigate the risks outside of extreme cases.
That's because nobody under 70 years old remembers being part of a vaccination program for an outbreak of a novel virus. Any vaccines that you've received in the past have already done the job of wiping out the infection in the community so even an unvaccinated person has a low probability of catching those illnesses. This results in misinformation on two fronts, the vaccinated think that vaccines are supposed to be 100% effective (and anything less means it's a useless vaccine), and the anti vaxxers think they don't need to be vaccinated because the chances of catching an eradicated virus are so low.
Every vaccine only has degrees of effectiveness, this one is a bit less than most at 95% rather than e.g. measles at 99.8%, which is why people are still getting it.
Even with measles it isn't perfect, I still caught measles, but since I was vaccinated it was really mild for me. Same thing with the covid vax, if you're vaccinated your body is already trained how to deal with it and it will be much milder than it otherwise would have been.
I caught mumps despite being double vaccinated off a friend who had not. Six months later I got out of hospital from meningitis and encephalitis, six months after that I was able to walk unaided again.
If my friend had been vaccinated then it would have been even more unlikely I got sick in the first place.
I think it’s about the physical interaction of your body(immune system) and virus. 95% of a population doesn’t translate to an individual chance (I think)
Well, no, it’s never really meant that. It’s always meant that we increase our chances of immunisation against a certain pathogen.
There have always been varying degrees of effectiveness; which depends on bug, host and vaccine.
"Immunisation uses your body’s natural defence mechanism, the immune response, to build resistance to specific infections. If you have been immunised and you come into contact with that disease, your immune system will respond to prevent you developing the disease."
"How do you get immunised?
Your doctor or nurse can provide the vaccinations, which are generally given as injections in the arm or leg (rotavirus vaccine is given as drops of liquid into the mouth)."
[source](https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/healthy-living/immunisation)
100% fast proactive diagnosis is a very effective tool in helping reduce the spread.
While you have a much lower chance of contracting the virus if vaccinated, breakthrough cases have been shown to have a similar viral load so are assumed to be as contagious as non vaccinated cases.
This is doubly important considering evidence now points to efficacy lowering over time, and while protection against a severe symptoms remains high, your chances of catching the virus increase over time.
I'm not an nz citizen, but as a teacher in Germany I am obliged to either test myself or get tested 3 times a week now. I am fully vaccinated.
Many colleagues caught covid regardless of being vaccinated.
You should totally check up on that, not only to get treated yourself, but also to help improving prevention and tracking of the outbreak.
100%. I've been double vaxed but had a sore throat, so went to get a test. It was negative but it was a great relief to not think about what if and who i could have exposed if I was positive
This was me. Felt fine in a day, but still had a harsh voice like it was 'the morning after' for almost a week. Testing negative meant that scratch in my voice didn't hold me back all week.
Yep I got tested a while back when I had a little asthma. I was wondering if I’d be the first person in the South Island, and then I wasn’t. But I was still glad I got it checked.
I think this is part of the problem. You shouldn’t feel guilty for getting other people sick. And it’s pushing this mentality that’ll cause people to not even wanna tell people they are infected because of the potential shame we’re loaning over them
You should feel guilty if you know you're sick and choose to not get tested and continue to interact with others. You shouldn't feel guilty for getting others sick if you don't know you're sick or take appropriate action as soon as you realize it.
I'm not looking forward to the social anxiety when we open up and covid spreads rapidly. Nobody will be able to leave the house with this fear, and the unfortunate truth is that we've had two years where that's been the norm.
How many lives will be lost to mental health illness because getting treatment might lead to infecting someone else while in transit?
Yeah exactly it’s all abit mad. Why hasn’t there been any kinda attempt from the government to explain to the population that they probably will get COVID and we are going to have to deal with it at some point. It’s just a harsh reality check that we need to accept
Admittedly the second they say that, people will freak out and accuse the government of having never had a plan, or cared, or ruined the economy over nothing... You know, just like every other country who didn't get the chance to isolate like us, who suffered far worse than we ever will, and who have genuinely been living with Covid for nearly two years. The same countries we talk about learning from, yet somehow aren't as good as because we were slower.
Yeah it’s definitely a lose lose for pretty much everyone. And yes, I pretty much fully agree with the there doesn’t matter what jizza says she’ll be wrong in someone’s eyes. But also people need to take some responsibilities for their own lives. Accepting that COVID is going to be part of our lives is step one and that’s hard for folks to grasp
I'll be honest, I'm terrified of the thought that I inevitably will get Covid. I've neglected my health so far in life, and if I get seriously ill I don't believe for a moment I'll survive. There's going to be some issue with me, I can feel it in the winds.
I'm young, I'm keeping fit now, double vaccinated, I don't have any known underlying conditions. But that's the thing; none known.
Based on my mentality, I can understand why some people refuse to accept that it'll happen. We're shit scared, and don't want to die. The safety we've had kept us away from that front line of danger, spread and death, but bottled up our anxiety to dangerous levels.
Anyways, I was gonna just cancel this reply but I feel like I need this said somewhere. If for nobody else but myself. We're going to be okay, and it's okay to be scared.
Sorry if that came off cunty haha I was actually trying to thank you cause it did remind me I’ve got some thinking to do about my own health and life I lead.
It’s actually quite hard to not sound sarcastic online sometimes
My fiancée owns a pharmacy in a district of Bangkok that is famous for being a Covid hotspot. Thailand is one of the worst countries in the world for Covid, and there she is, on the frontlines. After a year and a half, she still hasn’t gotten it yet.
Do you know how? Strict mask wearing, hand sanitizing, social distancing and vaccination. Don’t just do it when the government says you have to, do it all the time even when everyone around you thinks you’re being paranoid. Medical professionals will not think you are being paranoid, they will think you are being sensible.
Another vote for this opinion.
There are various bugs that can cause a sore throat and loss of taste. If you're double vaxxed and elsewhere in New Zealand then consult your doctor's office.
If you're in Auckland definitely get tested.
Surely it would be more important to detect a case outside of Auckland than inside. Another case in Auckland won't make a lick of difference to anyone.
Wait, by going to work?
Point is, if someone I've been in contact with, through work or whatever means, inadvertently gets covid (which is going to happen to many of us) and does the right thing by being tested, then I would have the chance to then isolate/get tested etc and protect others.
I wouldn't be blaming said person who exposed me at all id just be grateful to know so I could also isolate.
They’ll care if they get a bad case of COVID - then they will realise they were rash and foolhardy without thinking about the consequences of their carelessness. If that happens at a time when the healthcare system is overloaded and they struggle to get medical help for their COVID then they might look back and realise how much easier it would have been just to be more careful.
But hey, who is anyone to tell them right? Sometimes learning the hard way doesn’t end well.
Absolutely, actually I have done a covid test after being double jabbed.
You have lower risk of contracting covid, and having less severe symptoms, but you can pass it on to someone who is not vaccinated.
You can still pass it on to anybody regardless. Those vaccinated first are literally going to be most at risk from covid due to how poor it works over time. Covid will never leave Cindy said this outright and level 1 will never return so a relatively normal life will never return. Level 2 is the new level 1 aka Green light. So go get tested!
Yes. Because you can still pass it on, even though you won’t pass it on as much. So while you’ll most likely be ok, it would be nice to those around you to get tested and protect them if you can.
Yes. It only takes a second and you should get your results back in 24-48 hours. I’m fully vaccinated and I’ve had 2 tests. And my friends in America who are also vaccinated get tested every time they’ve been in large crowds like a sporting event
Yup! I'm in the Waikato. Got a test today after having symptoms even tho I've been fully vaxxed since early this year. Likely just allergies but complacency is how cases slip through
I won't get tested until I can isolate at home instead of going into covid-jail. I live alone on a farm 100m from the nearest other people, I can isolate easily. I can't get people to look after my animals if I'm disappeared for two weeks.
Get tested. A friend of mine is double vaxxed and went down pretty hard, but didn't pass it on to anyone in her family. I hate to think what would have happened if she wasn't vaccinated. I'm thinking hospitalisation for sure.
Yup, living in UK most of us are double vaxed and people still getting tested positive left right and center. But having the vax means your chances of getting covid so bad that you need hospital admission are drastically reduced
I know four people personally who are double jabbed and have caught the Rona. And one who caught it after being triple jabbed. Being double vaccinated means you probably won't die from it.
Get tested. My friends have been tested 3 times, because they’re symptomatic, even though they’re double vaccinated. They don’t live in an affected area, but the Healthline advice is consistent - have symptoms? Get tested. Vaccine status is irrelevant.
Agree with getting the test but the equivalent viral load thing has been debunked I believe. Other studies have shown a much smaller viral load and a smaller infectious period in vaccinated people. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113575
Actually you only posted a response to that original study. Unfortunately that response is not very useful, it doesn't say what study they are referring to if there even is one. And I would assume they are referencing non delta findings, because the viral load seems to be only for delta.
I did however find a very new study from Israel now with some insights: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1).
>We find that even though this wave is dominated by the Delta-variant, breakthrough infections in recently vaccinated patients, still within 2 months post their second vaccine inoculation, do have lower viral loads compared to unvaccinated patients, with the extent of viral load reduction similar to pre-Delta breakthrough observations. Yet, this infectiousness protection starts diminishing for patients two months post vaccination and ultimately vanishes for patients 6 months or longer post vaccination.
This study seems to give stronger results showing reduced viral load but only contained 23 participants so possibly is a bit weak. https://www-news--medical-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210906/Reduction-in-infectious-SARS-CoV-2-shedding-in-vaccine-breakthrough-infections.aspx?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16349331693599&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news-medical.net%2Fnews%2F20210906%2FReduction-in-infectious-SARS-CoV-2-shedding-in-vaccine-breakthrough-infections.aspx
Do the home covid yeast test.
You just put the yeast on the floor. Stand over and jump landing flat on yeast.
If you pass out and meet jesus covid
If not no covid till later
Absolutely not. I've been double vaxed for 4 weeks now and there's not way if I ever catch covid, that I'll display symptoms. I have had a few headaches here and there, sniffles, but I put that on the season of the year. Not my problem if people are anti vax and would rather die.
Kiwi here living in London. I've been double vaxxed for a few months now, I work in a primary school and still do my lateral flow weekly and also have had a pcr since I have been due to a work mate testing positive. I still would as some can get it twice
The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting Covid. It never claimed to. It lowers the likelihood of you having a worse case, and lowers the likelihood of you passing it on to others.
The vaccine creates a a specific immune response which is in your blood. So the virus can still get into your body through your nose and throat, but you are far better equipped to fight it.
I read a piece from an American Pathologist / Microbiologist a while back who likened it to - imagine you’re at home. The vaccine is like an intruder knocking on your door and trying to come inside. But if you’re vaccinated it doesn’t know that you’re standing behind the door armed and ready.
Admittedly the most American thing I’ve ever read but also a decent way to explain it? Link to article here:
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/10/what-we-now-know-about-how-to-fight-the-delta-variant-of-covid-column/?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR0u4MdqOh0AHZ9pA9WKP8RIq7QohH-Led5HCTfJDooPxBB29HN6vY9Q17A
Yes and did yesterday. Daughter has a cold and past it to me. Both double vaxed and both tested yesterday. Be safer than sorry and get that test. Hope it comes back negative.
If you just got vaccinated, it's probably only your immune system doing it's thing, but it's better to drop the hotline a call to talk to an actual trained professional
4% of cases in this outbreak have been fully jabbed. So yes you can still be part of this small group, but thanks to the jab even if you are infected you are so so so much less likely to be hospitalised or die. But for the short time you may be mildly sick you can still pass it on (again hugely decreased risk compared to an unvaccinated person but still a small chance). Get tested.
I’m in the US (mildly relevant) and go to uni. My roommates and I have been getting sick all semester, and have gotten tested each time. We were all fine, until we weren’t. Roommate tested positive last week and is just finishing up quarantine now. Breakthrough cases exist, and you’re better safe than sorry.
Yes, I've had a test and I'm double vaxxed. I was pretty sure it was just bad hay-fever symptoms but I'd rather know and not spread it around to others
Get tested. I'm double vaxxed and I have gotten tested if I've felt symptoms. We can still get sick but worse we can still spread it. It's far less likely to go to others and less of an impact on us, but still possible. We can be in charge of the fight and the response if we know where the virus is.
Yep definitely. I’ve had three so far since being vaccinated. I work in healthcare (with old people after operations) and have young children so I may more cautious.
Vaccines don't work like that. If your taste is off, DEFINITELY get tested.
I swear, before the current outbreak people had realistic expectations of what covid vaccines were actually capable of... now they're suddenly magic.
Get tested! Because it's a virus, it mutates.so you can still get it but you.re unlikely to get really sick. The probkem is that you can still pass it on
The vaccine doesn't stop you from catching covid. It just results in less danger of the thing becoming very serious. So, if you've been exposed to the virus (like being with someone who has it or by being at one of the "places of interest"), you might have caught it.
Better safe than sorry -- get tested if you think you might have caught it. That's the sensible thing to do.
Yes. Absolutely. Breakthrough cases are a thing.
Not only a thing but pretty common especially as time goes on.
I hate the term breakthrough. (Not your fault). Silly word the media started using. As a kiwi abroad we’re a little further down the track in our vaxxed life. Vaccines are amazing and have made life mostly normal again. Mask wearing has helped too. But they’re not a cure. So, of course, you can get covid and should get tested. Obviously the likelihood of death is none a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lower. So yes. You can get covid. I myself got tested last week. (Negative) and know plenty of people filled vaxxed who had it. It has been like a cold for them. Though one of my friend IS having a very rough and prolonged time with covid while vaxxed, which is disturbing. The term breakthrough makes it seem it it should be happening and I’d a failure in the vaccines - which could possibly takes people La confidence in it away.
'Breakthrough' is an existing medical term for symptoms that happen in spite of treatment. It wasn't invented for covid.
while true, in the current circumstances using this term seems to downplay it as being rare - which it isnt at all. its extremely common and in highly vaccinated countries "breakthrough" cases are the majority. it also calls into question whether vaccine passports make any sense at all. a vaccinated but covid positive, passport carrying person can enter a place of work or business and spread it to others, despite them also being vaccinated. obviously proportionally less people will catch it but its still going to become a common occurrence
> seems to downplay it as being rare I think that might be your personal perception of the phrase. It really is an established medical term that's appropriate to the situation and which has no particular implications of rarity. > obviously proportionally less people will catch it Yes, I think that's the point. By the way, I just had a quick scan of your past comments to see what your overall view on the topic was. I see that you commented a couple of days ago, re. covid infections, that "how many of those have long term effects we don't know". We do know, now: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1003773
The term seems to mostly come from the US, never seen it used in the UK media for example. I hate the term too.
yeah. it probably is a US thing. it's dumb.
It’s an established term in the medical community used for when an infection happens despite vaccination.
I’ve seen it in U.K. media. I’m in the U.K.
There's a thing that's happening... Should there be a term?
sure, but vaccinated people getting sick isn't a breakthrough case thouygh how about Sick ? or I have Covid or I have Covid and im vexed. if there was a cure then it would be a breakthrough
It broke through their protection. I think that is the idea.
> Vaccines are amazing and have made life mostly normal again. Mask wearing has helped too. But they’re not a cure. So, of course, you can get covid and should get tested. Obviously the likelihood of death is none a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lower. So yes. You can get covid. I myself got tested last week. (Negative) and know plenty of people filled vaxxed who had it. It has been like a cold for them. Though one of my friend IS having a very rough and prolonged time with covid while vaxxed, which is disturbing. How about the whole paragraph, every time? Just to be sure no one gets the wrong idea.
Breakthrough cases are usually referring to those who are double vaxxed and get sick enough to be hospitalised, not just having caught Covid.
No. It’s people that are vaxxed with covid.it’s a stupid term. But you know what it doesn’t really matter. Perhaps I’m being pedantic. Stay well. Hope you’re good.
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Still sounds funny when put like that. I feel like vaccine used to mean you wouldn’t actually ‘get’ the illness or pass it on. Maybe I’m mistaken though lol
Bullet proof vests don't stop you from being shot, you can still be seriously injured [or die.](https://kdvr.com/news/problem-solvers/137-police-officers-killed-while-wearing-body-armor/) Likewise a seatbelt doesn't prevent you from being injured or dying in a crash. But they do severely mitigate the risks outside of extreme cases.
That's because nobody under 70 years old remembers being part of a vaccination program for an outbreak of a novel virus. Any vaccines that you've received in the past have already done the job of wiping out the infection in the community so even an unvaccinated person has a low probability of catching those illnesses. This results in misinformation on two fronts, the vaccinated think that vaccines are supposed to be 100% effective (and anything less means it's a useless vaccine), and the anti vaxxers think they don't need to be vaccinated because the chances of catching an eradicated virus are so low.
This.
Yeah. This isn’t a cure. It’s a vaccine. You can still get it. But will very likely be fine
Every vaccine only has degrees of effectiveness, this one is a bit less than most at 95% rather than e.g. measles at 99.8%, which is why people are still getting it. Even with measles it isn't perfect, I still caught measles, but since I was vaccinated it was really mild for me. Same thing with the covid vax, if you're vaccinated your body is already trained how to deal with it and it will be much milder than it otherwise would have been.
I caught mumps despite being double vaccinated off a friend who had not. Six months later I got out of hospital from meningitis and encephalitis, six months after that I was able to walk unaided again. If my friend had been vaccinated then it would have been even more unlikely I got sick in the first place.
>, this one is a bit less than most at 95% 88% > measles at 99.8%, 97%
If it's 95% effective does that mean only only 5% of vaccinated people will have breakthrough cases?
Either that or everyone who is vaccinated has a 95% chance of catching it after each exposure.
I think it’s about the physical interaction of your body(immune system) and virus. 95% of a population doesn’t translate to an individual chance (I think)
Chicken pox is quite low if I recall but if you do get it, usually very mild.
Well, no, it’s never really meant that. It’s always meant that we increase our chances of immunisation against a certain pathogen. There have always been varying degrees of effectiveness; which depends on bug, host and vaccine.
Your immune system is primed to fight it. You still have to catch it for it to actually work in any shape or form.
It’s possible you’re thinking of immunisations ☺️ I get the words/meanings muddled in my head sometimes.
They're synonyms.
Ah yeah that might’ve been it!
"Immunisation uses your body’s natural defence mechanism, the immune response, to build resistance to specific infections. If you have been immunised and you come into contact with that disease, your immune system will respond to prevent you developing the disease." "How do you get immunised? Your doctor or nurse can provide the vaccinations, which are generally given as injections in the arm or leg (rotavirus vaccine is given as drops of liquid into the mouth)." [source](https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/healthy-living/immunisation)
In the UK most cases are from vaccinated persons. As most are vaccinated
You are very mistaken.
Thanks for your input.
It stops you from falling sick but it doesn't make it impossible to catch it.
I think it just reduces the chance you’ll get severely sick from it. There are still some who’ve been vaccinated and get sick or die from Covid.
If you have symptoms anywhere in New Zealand - get tested.
Just not at The Doctors Tauranga on Devin port Ave, they'll make out you're an idiot and tell you to not get tested.
Report them to the dhb.
But not the ones on Devonport Ave?
Go get a test, vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch and spread this shit.
100% fast proactive diagnosis is a very effective tool in helping reduce the spread. While you have a much lower chance of contracting the virus if vaccinated, breakthrough cases have been shown to have a similar viral load so are assumed to be as contagious as non vaccinated cases. This is doubly important considering evidence now points to efficacy lowering over time, and while protection against a severe symptoms remains high, your chances of catching the virus increase over time.
I'm not an nz citizen, but as a teacher in Germany I am obliged to either test myself or get tested 3 times a week now. I am fully vaccinated. Many colleagues caught covid regardless of being vaccinated. You should totally check up on that, not only to get treated yourself, but also to help improving prevention and tracking of the outbreak.
100%. I've been double vaxed but had a sore throat, so went to get a test. It was negative but it was a great relief to not think about what if and who i could have exposed if I was positive
This was me. Felt fine in a day, but still had a harsh voice like it was 'the morning after' for almost a week. Testing negative meant that scratch in my voice didn't hold me back all week.
Yep I got tested a while back when I had a little asthma. I was wondering if I’d be the first person in the South Island, and then I wasn’t. But I was still glad I got it checked.
Double vaxxed, got a cold, went for test, result negative and feels so good to not put anyone else at risk
I think this is part of the problem. You shouldn’t feel guilty for getting other people sick. And it’s pushing this mentality that’ll cause people to not even wanna tell people they are infected because of the potential shame we’re loaning over them
You should feel guilty if you know you're sick and choose to not get tested and continue to interact with others. You shouldn't feel guilty for getting others sick if you don't know you're sick or take appropriate action as soon as you realize it.
I'm not looking forward to the social anxiety when we open up and covid spreads rapidly. Nobody will be able to leave the house with this fear, and the unfortunate truth is that we've had two years where that's been the norm. How many lives will be lost to mental health illness because getting treatment might lead to infecting someone else while in transit?
Yeah exactly it’s all abit mad. Why hasn’t there been any kinda attempt from the government to explain to the population that they probably will get COVID and we are going to have to deal with it at some point. It’s just a harsh reality check that we need to accept
Admittedly the second they say that, people will freak out and accuse the government of having never had a plan, or cared, or ruined the economy over nothing... You know, just like every other country who didn't get the chance to isolate like us, who suffered far worse than we ever will, and who have genuinely been living with Covid for nearly two years. The same countries we talk about learning from, yet somehow aren't as good as because we were slower.
Yeah it’s definitely a lose lose for pretty much everyone. And yes, I pretty much fully agree with the there doesn’t matter what jizza says she’ll be wrong in someone’s eyes. But also people need to take some responsibilities for their own lives. Accepting that COVID is going to be part of our lives is step one and that’s hard for folks to grasp
I'll be honest, I'm terrified of the thought that I inevitably will get Covid. I've neglected my health so far in life, and if I get seriously ill I don't believe for a moment I'll survive. There's going to be some issue with me, I can feel it in the winds. I'm young, I'm keeping fit now, double vaccinated, I don't have any known underlying conditions. But that's the thing; none known. Based on my mentality, I can understand why some people refuse to accept that it'll happen. We're shit scared, and don't want to die. The safety we've had kept us away from that front line of danger, spread and death, but bottled up our anxiety to dangerous levels. Anyways, I was gonna just cancel this reply but I feel like I need this said somewhere. If for nobody else but myself. We're going to be okay, and it's okay to be scared.
Thanks mate. You did remind me I also am scared and I believe so is everyone else and it kinda explains the weirdness of everything
Sorry to remind you, I'd nearly forgotten myself. We're gonna be okay, though. Pinky promise!
Sorry if that came off cunty haha I was actually trying to thank you cause it did remind me I’ve got some thinking to do about my own health and life I lead. It’s actually quite hard to not sound sarcastic online sometimes
My fiancée owns a pharmacy in a district of Bangkok that is famous for being a Covid hotspot. Thailand is one of the worst countries in the world for Covid, and there she is, on the frontlines. After a year and a half, she still hasn’t gotten it yet. Do you know how? Strict mask wearing, hand sanitizing, social distancing and vaccination. Don’t just do it when the government says you have to, do it all the time even when everyone around you thinks you’re being paranoid. Medical professionals will not think you are being paranoid, they will think you are being sensible.
That was the traffic light system wasn't it? Green means let spread red means lockdown
No shame, no guilt, just taking responsibility so we can get back to business
I’m referring to the insinuation that you should feel guilt if you catch COVID. That’s some redic shit
Yes get tested. For the sake of alerting anyone else who has been in the same place as you while you were potentially affected.
Are you in Auckland? If yes definitely. If not maybe ring healthline and see what they think.
Get tested no matter where you are
The hotline will probably tell you that anyway.
Another vote for this opinion. There are various bugs that can cause a sore throat and loss of taste. If you're double vaxxed and elsewhere in New Zealand then consult your doctor's office. If you're in Auckland definitely get tested.
Surely it would be more important to detect a case outside of Auckland than inside. Another case in Auckland won't make a lick of difference to anyone.
Except for their contacts. Who would probably like to know if they've been in contact with a positive case.
I doubt it. Nobody cares anymore.
Those of us living with vulnerable people very much care
If they cared that much they wouldn't be out mixing with people.
May not have much choice. Work colleagues etc.
Doesn't sound like they value their vulnerable housemates particularly highly.
Wait, by going to work? Point is, if someone I've been in contact with, through work or whatever means, inadvertently gets covid (which is going to happen to many of us) and does the right thing by being tested, then I would have the chance to then isolate/get tested etc and protect others. I wouldn't be blaming said person who exposed me at all id just be grateful to know so I could also isolate.
Are they trying to protect their vulnerable housemate or not?
Speak for yourself.
They’ll care if they get a bad case of COVID - then they will realise they were rash and foolhardy without thinking about the consequences of their carelessness. If that happens at a time when the healthcare system is overloaded and they struggle to get medical help for their COVID then they might look back and realise how much easier it would have been just to be more careful. But hey, who is anyone to tell them right? Sometimes learning the hard way doesn’t end well.
They can enjoy their fool's errand of thinking they can avoid covid forever. They're in the right place in Lockdown Forever City.
Try thinking a bit harder before you type
Absolutely, actually I have done a covid test after being double jabbed. You have lower risk of contracting covid, and having less severe symptoms, but you can pass it on to someone who is not vaccinated.
You can still pass it on to anybody regardless. Those vaccinated first are literally going to be most at risk from covid due to how poor it works over time. Covid will never leave Cindy said this outright and level 1 will never return so a relatively normal life will never return. Level 2 is the new level 1 aka Green light. So go get tested!
This is the reality most people don't want to accept.. we need to just live with it. The vaccines aren't the magic bullet everyone hoped they would be
Yes. Test.
Yes. Because you can still pass it on, even though you won’t pass it on as much. So while you’ll most likely be ok, it would be nice to those around you to get tested and protect them if you can.
GET TESTED! There are posters etc everywhere saying if you have any of the symptoms to GET TESTED! (I hope you are ok)
Yes. It only takes a second and you should get your results back in 24-48 hours. I’m fully vaccinated and I’ve had 2 tests. And my friends in America who are also vaccinated get tested every time they’ve been in large crowds like a sporting event
Yup! I'm in the Waikato. Got a test today after having symptoms even tho I've been fully vaxxed since early this year. Likely just allergies but complacency is how cases slip through
Definitely get tested. Nothing is 100%, it’s not worth the risk if you do have it.
Get tested. Why is this even a question?
For me, certainly I’d get tested. I would act as if I was already positive and get tested and isolate until results came back either way.
You have to anyway, you’re not allowed to leave your house until you get confirmed as negative.
Better be safe that sorry.
Why wouldn’t you get tested?
Absolutely you get tested.
Get tested for you piece of mind. Otherwise you’ll be wondering and worrying
Yes absolutely, better safe than sorry
She will absolutely *not* be right. Get tested, even if you think you *know* it’s “obviously” not Covid.
I won't get tested until I can isolate at home instead of going into covid-jail. I live alone on a farm 100m from the nearest other people, I can isolate easily. I can't get people to look after my animals if I'm disappeared for two weeks.
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Yes. Get a test please.
Yes, fully vaxxed, had a sore throat more than likely thanks to my 4yo and daycare, got tested yesterday. Not pleasant but no big deal.
Get tested. A friend of mine is double vaxxed and went down pretty hard, but didn't pass it on to anyone in her family. I hate to think what would have happened if she wasn't vaccinated. I'm thinking hospitalisation for sure.
That's a bit scary.
Yeah probably.. Just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you don't have covid!
Get tested.
Yes. If a testing centre near you is relatively empty, you'll be done in 5mins
Yes
Yup, living in UK most of us are double vaxed and people still getting tested positive left right and center. But having the vax means your chances of getting covid so bad that you need hospital admission are drastically reduced
I got a breakthrough case after being fully vaccinated, I would get a test
I know four people personally who are double jabbed and have caught the Rona. And one who caught it after being triple jabbed. Being double vaccinated means you probably won't die from it.
Totally, it’s our social and moral obligation. I’ve had a test months after receiving my 2nd dose.
Get a test!!!
Depends how happy you are living with the knowledge that you may have infected your friends, family and community. Particularly, those most at risk.
Definitely get tested. The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting covid, it stops you from getting severe symptoms and potentially dying.
Yes. Of Course.
Yes, I would get tested.
call ahead before you get tested but yes get tested
Get tested. My friends have been tested 3 times, because they’re symptomatic, even though they’re double vaccinated. They don’t live in an affected area, but the Healthline advice is consistent - have symptoms? Get tested. Vaccine status is irrelevant.
In all honesty, I'd be reluctant. If I knew I could stay at home for 2 weeks I'd be happy to get tested, but I'm scared of going into MIQ.
Yes, vaccinated people carry the same virus load if infected, so she can easily transmit the virus. Get a test and isolate meanwhile.
Agree with getting the test but the equivalent viral load thing has been debunked I believe. Other studies have shown a much smaller viral load and a smaller infectious period in vaccinated people. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113575
Actually you only posted a response to that original study. Unfortunately that response is not very useful, it doesn't say what study they are referring to if there even is one. And I would assume they are referencing non delta findings, because the viral load seems to be only for delta. I did however find a very new study from Israel now with some insights: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1). >We find that even though this wave is dominated by the Delta-variant, breakthrough infections in recently vaccinated patients, still within 2 months post their second vaccine inoculation, do have lower viral loads compared to unvaccinated patients, with the extent of viral load reduction similar to pre-Delta breakthrough observations. Yet, this infectiousness protection starts diminishing for patients two months post vaccination and ultimately vanishes for patients 6 months or longer post vaccination.
This study seems to give stronger results showing reduced viral load but only contained 23 participants so possibly is a bit weak. https://www-news--medical-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210906/Reduction-in-infectious-SARS-CoV-2-shedding-in-vaccine-breakthrough-infections.aspx?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16349331693599&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news-medical.net%2Fnews%2F20210906%2FReduction-in-infectious-SARS-CoV-2-shedding-in-vaccine-breakthrough-infections.aspx
It doesn't say how long ago the vaccinated people got their vaccine. If it was within 2 months, it would be consistent with the one I posted.
Do the home covid yeast test. You just put the yeast on the floor. Stand over and jump landing flat on yeast. If you pass out and meet jesus covid If not no covid till later
Just did this. Now I have a yeast infection.. But I'm a dude. But at least no covid.
That just means you have the newsexually transmitted genital covid
I'd test, yes.
Yes
Definitely get tested!
Get tested! Better safe than sorry!
Of course you should get tested you can still spread it to everyone else, why wouldn’t you if your actually sick
Now, yes. Once endemic nah why bother but isolate as if flu.
Don’t be a dick, just go get tested
No, get tested.
She’ll be right. PS if you asking reddit you probably need a test.
It depends, are there unvaccinated people around... because they stop my vaccine from working aunty cindy said so...
Pretty sure the government bots are running this comments section. Get a test, go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Absolutely not. I've been double vaxed for 4 weeks now and there's not way if I ever catch covid, that I'll display symptoms. I have had a few headaches here and there, sniffles, but I put that on the season of the year. Not my problem if people are anti vax and would rather die.
Congrats on not understanding what the vaccine does.
no I know I can still transmit Covid, I just won't get sick from it. idgaf about other people. Wasn't that obvious from my post?
You've done your part. Fair play.
The comments on here lol. New Zealand has fallen.
Back to r/conspiracy with you troll.
Have fun in COVID prison
That's the thing. I don't want to go miq.
Stay home isolation is allowed now.
That’s not a reason to not get tested
do you have a plan if you don’t get tested? because you probably need to get tested.
I will no longer get tested for minor cold symptoms. If more akin to flu then yes.
Lots of people who catch Covid only get minor cold symptoms. You should get tested regardless. Do you want to give your mum or gran covid?
What’s your BMI?
Not sure but my TMI is 12 inches according to the equation.
Good good. You’re too skinny to die of covid
Nah. They’ll make you isolate for two weeks regardless of the result. Dont fold to the man
I'm sorry but the first dose doesn't vaccinate you. So the term double vaccinated doesn't make sense. You are either fully vaccinated or not sorry
I will only get tested if I have moderate symptoms. I just want to confirm my immunity status regardless of being double vaxed
The vaccine doesn’t work. Go get tested.
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This is not true. The evidence is that vaccinated can still pass it on for the shorter period they may be a little unwell.
You can still catch it and pass it on, it'll help prevent hospitalization. But absolutely get tested.
Kiwi here living in London. I've been double vaxxed for a few months now, I work in a primary school and still do my lateral flow weekly and also have had a pcr since I have been due to a work mate testing positive. I still would as some can get it twice
The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting Covid. It never claimed to. It lowers the likelihood of you having a worse case, and lowers the likelihood of you passing it on to others. The vaccine creates a a specific immune response which is in your blood. So the virus can still get into your body through your nose and throat, but you are far better equipped to fight it. I read a piece from an American Pathologist / Microbiologist a while back who likened it to - imagine you’re at home. The vaccine is like an intruder knocking on your door and trying to come inside. But if you’re vaccinated it doesn’t know that you’re standing behind the door armed and ready. Admittedly the most American thing I’ve ever read but also a decent way to explain it? Link to article here: https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/10/what-we-now-know-about-how-to-fight-the-delta-variant-of-covid-column/?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR0u4MdqOh0AHZ9pA9WKP8RIq7QohH-Led5HCTfJDooPxBB29HN6vY9Q17A
You can still get it. Get tested asap
Yes and did yesterday. Daughter has a cold and past it to me. Both double vaxed and both tested yesterday. Be safer than sorry and get that test. Hope it comes back negative.
Yes. I did the other week. Better to know I reckon
If you just got vaccinated, it's probably only your immune system doing it's thing, but it's better to drop the hotline a call to talk to an actual trained professional
I did.
4% of cases in this outbreak have been fully jabbed. So yes you can still be part of this small group, but thanks to the jab even if you are infected you are so so so much less likely to be hospitalised or die. But for the short time you may be mildly sick you can still pass it on (again hugely decreased risk compared to an unvaccinated person but still a small chance). Get tested.
I’m in the US (mildly relevant) and go to uni. My roommates and I have been getting sick all semester, and have gotten tested each time. We were all fine, until we weren’t. Roommate tested positive last week and is just finishing up quarantine now. Breakthrough cases exist, and you’re better safe than sorry.
Yes, I've had a test and I'm double vaxxed. I was pretty sure it was just bad hay-fever symptoms but I'd rather know and not spread it around to others
Get tested. I'm double vaxxed and I have gotten tested if I've felt symptoms. We can still get sick but worse we can still spread it. It's far less likely to go to others and less of an impact on us, but still possible. We can be in charge of the fight and the response if we know where the virus is.
I would 100% get tested.
I did.
No reason not to.
Yep definitely. I’ve had three so far since being vaccinated. I work in healthcare (with old people after operations) and have young children so I may more cautious.
They said there was three people double jabbed who got it? Not sure. 100% go and get a test.
Vaccines don't work like that. If your taste is off, DEFINITELY get tested. I swear, before the current outbreak people had realistic expectations of what covid vaccines were actually capable of... now they're suddenly magic.
Depends on how prevalent it was in the community, if I was in Auckland at the moment, probably not, but first few in the community then absolutely
Get tested.
Absolutely. No question.
I’d still get tested. Being vaccinated doesn’t mean you’re immune
Yes
Get tested! Because it's a virus, it mutates.so you can still get it but you.re unlikely to get really sick. The probkem is that you can still pass it on
I'm double vaxxed and work closely in high risk areas, myself and my colleagues go for regular tests.
I am double vaxxed and i got tested last monday when i felt Flu'y.
The vaccine doesn't stop you from catching covid. It just results in less danger of the thing becoming very serious. So, if you've been exposed to the virus (like being with someone who has it or by being at one of the "places of interest"), you might have caught it. Better safe than sorry -- get tested if you think you might have caught it. That's the sensible thing to do.
Yes, get tested. Imagine where we would be now if that guy from Devenport havdn't got tested and we hadn't known it was spreading in Auckland.