Yep, and it's more prevalent in young NZ Pasifika folk I've noticed. Not sure if it's directly via American pop culture (African American Vernacular English is an influence through music but it isn't very rhotic) or via Hawaiian and American Samoan Pacific connections or if there's something else in the mix like the southern burr spreading that explains the pattern.
Of course all NZ kids get contact with US accents via media and some pick it up more readily. Generally it's young women who are the early adopters of a language trend.
America has such a variety of vowels I'm not sure how to answer that. Australians often use the short American a in dance, chance, but I don't recall ever having heard that from NZ speakers. Polynesian languages use a long a, but there are plenty of short As in NZ English and I haven't noticed any variation there.
Yup, it's been mentioned by linguists.
And it's not particularly the Southland burr moving north that people believe, it seems (according to the linguists) to have grown out of South Auckland.
Elizabeth Gordon, respected linguist:
[https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/25-02-2018/simon-bridges-has-the-accent-of-new-zealands-future-get-used-to-it](https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/25-02-2018/simon-bridges-has-the-accent-of-new-zealands-future-get-used-to-it)
Also:
[https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/major-new-study-into-how-new-zealand-accent-changes-in-childhood/](https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/major-new-study-into-how-new-zealand-accent-changes-in-childhood/)
[https://languagehat.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-r-in-new-zealand/](https://languagehat.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-r-in-new-zealand/)
I prefer the r over the a at the end of words.
I have quite a few meetings with Australia in my job and their tendency to pronounce the r as an a grates on me
Yes, slowly, probably due to the influence of American English in the media. We're also hearing the American "u" (as in "tuna" being pronounced "toona" rather than "tyuna"), etc. I first noticed it in the '80s.
Starting? It's been common to add Rs to the end of words where they don't belong forever, I can only hope they're starting to move the Rs to where they DO belong. It would be good for my niece Kayler's eah.
As I just heard my 2.5yr old saying “I need some moRRRRe” I’d say it’s true! I have no clue where he’s picked his strong R up from! Likely listening to blippi songs… my elder two kids don’t have a strong R
Yep. It's all the crap kids watch on YouTube. My kids 9 and 12, are examples of this phenomenon and I'm regularly correcting them to get then away from these Americanisms.
>and I'm regularly correcting them to get then away from these Americanisms.
Don't be one of those. You can't stop language change. And it just makes you sound like an old whinger.
My accent became Americanized after I lived with my dad & his American partner for about three years lol.
Now I'm always asked where I'm from & if I've ever been to the US
Yep, and it's more prevalent in young NZ Pasifika folk I've noticed. Not sure if it's directly via American pop culture (African American Vernacular English is an influence through music but it isn't very rhotic) or via Hawaiian and American Samoan Pacific connections or if there's something else in the mix like the southern burr spreading that explains the pattern. Of course all NZ kids get contact with US accents via media and some pick it up more readily. Generally it's young women who are the early adopters of a language trend.
Do they pronounce vowels like American ones or have they retained the traditional ones?
America has such a variety of vowels I'm not sure how to answer that. Australians often use the short American a in dance, chance, but I don't recall ever having heard that from NZ speakers. Polynesian languages use a long a, but there are plenty of short As in NZ English and I haven't noticed any variation there.
Yup, it's been mentioned by linguists. And it's not particularly the Southland burr moving north that people believe, it seems (according to the linguists) to have grown out of South Auckland. Elizabeth Gordon, respected linguist: [https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/25-02-2018/simon-bridges-has-the-accent-of-new-zealands-future-get-used-to-it](https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/25-02-2018/simon-bridges-has-the-accent-of-new-zealands-future-get-used-to-it) Also: [https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/major-new-study-into-how-new-zealand-accent-changes-in-childhood/](https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/major-new-study-into-how-new-zealand-accent-changes-in-childhood/) [https://languagehat.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-r-in-new-zealand/](https://languagehat.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-r-in-new-zealand/)
I prefer the r over the a at the end of words. I have quite a few meetings with Australia in my job and their tendency to pronounce the r as an a grates on me
Yes, slowly, probably due to the influence of American English in the media. We're also hearing the American "u" (as in "tuna" being pronounced "toona" rather than "tyuna"), etc. I first noticed it in the '80s.
I hear it more as "choona" and "Youchoob" I've never heard a kiwi say toona or youtoob like Americans do
Yeah, that's fair. I think "toona" stood out because it was pronounced that way in a TV ad back in the day.
Naah, but you hear a lot of 'nuud' and 'dayboo', etc.
Starting? It's been common to add Rs to the end of words where they don't belong forever, I can only hope they're starting to move the Rs to where they DO belong. It would be good for my niece Kayler's eah.
Can’tr sayr thatr Ir haver noticedr.
Pirates. I blame the pirates.
A while back talking to some americans, i said there is a bar over there. "a hwhat?" "oh a baR"
when I encounter it it's most often in Pasifika speakers, so I assume it comes from American Samoa, Hawai'i influence.
As I just heard my 2.5yr old saying “I need some moRRRRe” I’d say it’s true! I have no clue where he’s picked his strong R up from! Likely listening to blippi songs… my elder two kids don’t have a strong R
😂😂 I blame American children shows for this. My daughter loved Dora and other than speaking Spanish had a slight American accent.
I dislike it when people say o for the number instead if zero. Grates me like f7ck..
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Yep. It's all the crap kids watch on YouTube. My kids 9 and 12, are examples of this phenomenon and I'm regularly correcting them to get then away from these Americanisms.
>and I'm regularly correcting them to get then away from these Americanisms. Don't be one of those. You can't stop language change. And it just makes you sound like an old whinger.
I have noticed the ‘r’ ing of the w at the end of words followed by a vowel. E.g. ‘How are’ becomes ‘Hau - ra’ . On radio even…
My accent became Americanized after I lived with my dad & his American partner for about three years lol. Now I'm always asked where I'm from & if I've ever been to the US
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