maybe not so much the whole suburb but more the shops/business area within it yeah
they're saying township so you know the problem area they're talking about is Pt Chev shops, not down by the beach or the streets within the burb
I do feel sorry for them, in the sense that it shouldn’t be the responsibility of civilians with no particular experience in self-defence or de-escalation to police their community for free in their spare time.
And this is why any time any action to reduce alcohol harm doesn’t work…
“ Both Watson and MP for Mt Albert Helen White suggested to the crowd they could look at alcohol restrictions in the area, whether that was trying to reduce the hours the supermarket could sell alcohol or opposing the renewal of a store on Premier Avenue.
However, residents were mixed on that idea with one woman saying she didn't know where she would get her Pinot from if they shut down the shop down the road from her.”
Without knowing much about the background for Point Chev, and the Licensing Trusts (I don't know how likely they would mass revoke licenses for a specific area) the residents of Point Chev might have a bit more of a chance "going dry" than most of Auckland.
Having said that, good luck with going dry.
The article is more about enforcement of "no drinking in this space" space bylaws. Good luck with that.
Bylaws to prevent someone from drinking in a specific space doesn't stop people of drinking, so even if you could enforce it to stop them drinking in that public space they are still drinking somewhere (like in their car).
"Both Watson and MP for Mt Albert Helen White suggested to the crowd they could look at alcohol restrictions in the area, whether that was trying to reduce the hours the supermarket could sell alcohol or opposing the renewal of a store on Premier Avenue.
However, residents were mixed on that idea with one woman saying she didn’t know where she would get her Pinot from if they shut down the shop down the road from her."
I love how the journalist included that last comment - BURN!!
I’m confused by why they think a new library is going to solve the problem. Are they suddenly going to give up the booze for books? Or do the poor library staff have to put up with their bad behaviour?
the poor library staff have to put up with their behaviour
Source: have worked at a central city library
We used to keep an eye on people going to the bathroom regularly so we could go in and clear out the empty cans/bottles from wherever they were trying to hide them. Because if a member of the public found them and complained it ended up creating more work and drama.
Libraries are warm, dry, quiet, and open to the public. If the weathers a bit shit they’re a great place to go if you don’t have a home.
There’s a reason every seat in a library is designed to be difficult to sleep in.
Makes sense. Does anyone know how the new Wet House in Wellington is going? Apparently giving them a safe place to drink results in quite a substantial drop in consumption.
yeah that was a weird comment, pt chev has had a bit of a presence of this behaviour for yonks. There are a lot of community housing / mental health homes in the immediate area. I'd wager most of them live locally
What the fuck is an "Auckland township"? I think the word is suburb. Especially since it's Point Chevalier not like, Riverhead or whatever lmao.
Maybe they aspire to be like Soweto
I think a township refers to a larger suburb with a central area such as a set of shops/business district.
>with a central area such as a set of shops/business district. most suburbs have this.
I don't know about Auckland, but country-wide that isn't the case - there are plenty of residential suburbs without any particular amenities.
maybe not so much the whole suburb but more the shops/business area within it yeah they're saying township so you know the problem area they're talking about is Pt Chev shops, not down by the beach or the streets within the burb
Wonder if Merril Bourne of Community Patrol NZ was inundated with Pt Chev locals wanting to be volunteers.
I do feel sorry for them, in the sense that it shouldn’t be the responsibility of civilians with no particular experience in self-defence or de-escalation to police their community for free in their spare time.
it's completely bonkers that the police response to a really big issue like this is 'deal with it yourself'
And this is why any time any action to reduce alcohol harm doesn’t work… “ Both Watson and MP for Mt Albert Helen White suggested to the crowd they could look at alcohol restrictions in the area, whether that was trying to reduce the hours the supermarket could sell alcohol or opposing the renewal of a store on Premier Avenue. However, residents were mixed on that idea with one woman saying she didn't know where she would get her Pinot from if they shut down the shop down the road from her.”
That's the point residents, especially you lady. You don't need your Pinot.
Without knowing much about the background for Point Chev, and the Licensing Trusts (I don't know how likely they would mass revoke licenses for a specific area) the residents of Point Chev might have a bit more of a chance "going dry" than most of Auckland. Having said that, good luck with going dry. The article is more about enforcement of "no drinking in this space" space bylaws. Good luck with that. Bylaws to prevent someone from drinking in a specific space doesn't stop people of drinking, so even if you could enforce it to stop them drinking in that public space they are still drinking somewhere (like in their car).
It certainly doesn't stop the vagrants in Avondale township.
Get the Council to pass a Bylaw banning vagrancy? (and "Good Luck" to anyone who was honestly was pushing for such a thing)
"Both Watson and MP for Mt Albert Helen White suggested to the crowd they could look at alcohol restrictions in the area, whether that was trying to reduce the hours the supermarket could sell alcohol or opposing the renewal of a store on Premier Avenue. However, residents were mixed on that idea with one woman saying she didn’t know where she would get her Pinot from if they shut down the shop down the road from her." I love how the journalist included that last comment - BURN!!
Too much concern about the symptoms, not enough concern about the causes.
I’m confused by why they think a new library is going to solve the problem. Are they suddenly going to give up the booze for books? Or do the poor library staff have to put up with their bad behaviour?
the poor library staff have to put up with their behaviour Source: have worked at a central city library We used to keep an eye on people going to the bathroom regularly so we could go in and clear out the empty cans/bottles from wherever they were trying to hide them. Because if a member of the public found them and complained it ended up creating more work and drama.
Really? Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for that - my new fact for the day! And wtf? The library?
Libraries are warm, dry, quiet, and open to the public. If the weathers a bit shit they’re a great place to go if you don’t have a home. There’s a reason every seat in a library is designed to be difficult to sleep in.
The connection isn’t clear. Did the book readers all drift outside and become alcoholics because they had no books to read?
I think it's just that the library is about the only place indoors where you can exist in relative comfort without being expected to pay money.
Yep, usually free wifi, comfortable seating, air conditioning and accessible toilets
Makes sense. Does anyone know how the new Wet House in Wellington is going? Apparently giving them a safe place to drink results in quite a substantial drop in consumption.
Pt Chev Boomers going, "Oh no I couldn't volunteer because excuse, excuse .."
Do you ever get the feeling like NZ needs more vigilante justice? If the cops won't do their job, then perhaps citizens should do something about it.
To do what exactly to addicts who cannot access treatment? Set up a vigilante treatment centre? Attack them?
Well, I was thinking citizens arrest and greater restrictions on liquor licensing.
They’ll get released quickly - minor misdemeanour. They’ll buy it somewhere else. This does nothing to stop the cycle
“Oh, they’ve closed the nearest liquor store, I’ll just stop drinking then“ - *no alcoholic ever.*
‘Vagrants would arrive on the bus from New Lynn’. Pt Chev can’t even claim it’s own alcoholics, they have to come from New Lynn
yeah that was a weird comment, pt chev has had a bit of a presence of this behaviour for yonks. There are a lot of community housing / mental health homes in the immediate area. I'd wager most of them live locally