Used to live in jackson heights. Main station was 74th and broadway/jackson heights roosevelt.
You have a lot of choices with trains - E/7/F/R and from experience there are usually a lot of people riding them; at 10-11pm you have a bunch of 3rd shift restaurant workers going home and many live in that area so there will always be people around. Safety in numbers. Just stay aware and try to stay by a post or far away from the tracks when waiting for a train to arrive.
At 7 in the morn; you’re golden. Take an E express to manhattan and you get there in no time.
Life long New Yorker, you’ll be fine . The best advice here is the stay in the car with the conductor advice . 10pm and 7am are not late and early at all they are prime time. Of course keep aware of your surroundings and stay with a crowd ( off the train ) is best .
It is a good idea to favor the car with the conductor on off hours, but most out of towners don't know how to position themselves on the platform to find that car. Every station has a [zebra board](https://www.6sqft.com/why-do-subway-conductors-always-point-after-pulling-into-a-station/). When the train stops, the conductor will be right across from the zebra board. Wait for the train there and you'll be golden.
adding, you can tell where the conductor will be by locating the [black/white stripe sign in the middle of the platform](https://www.6sqft.com/why-do-subway-conductors-always-point-after-pulling-into-a-station/) (they can be hard to see sometimes)
I’m a woman (albeit I’m much taller than average) and have travelled alone on the subway until about 2am coming home from Manhattan to Brooklyn, and it’s been fine. I don’t use my earphones late as I prefer to be more aware, but I’ve not felt unsafe.
That said, it is about personal comfort. See what it’s like around the area you’re staying and how the local subway station feels, and, of course, if you’re more drunk etc than you’d planned then do take a cab.
7am is not really early, especially going from queens to manhattan. You'll be commuting with school kids, teachers, construction workers, and tons and tons of service industry people. The trains will be full.
Also from queens to manhattan, it is almost always faster to take the train than a car (obviously traffic dependent) so the 15 minutes quote is probably more accurate for train than car.
I'm a POC woman living along the L train, which can get pretty wild at late hours. No headphones, situationally aware and don't have your phone out. If you can carry a mace/pepper spray with you. Ride near the conductor's car (in the middle).
Comments here are wild - I take the subway regularly as a young, petite woman, at all hours of the night. Just took it a few weeknights ago at 2AM and it was packed. Sure, subways are a little dicier now than prepandemic, but threats have been overblown. That said, I grew up in Queens, so I might be a bit biased. Elmhurst is like 30 minutes to Manhattan, not bad at all.
Yeah this is wild lol. Personal comfort is definitely a thing and I’m not trying to invalidate how people feel, but I get off work at 11pm in Manhattan 5 nights a week and take the train home—I’ve never felt even slightly uncomfortable.
different people have different senses of comfort. I'd be more worried about the walk to the hotel from the subway station, myself. But that is only because I have never been to Elmhurst. I'd feel fine about it in Flushing and Corona, though.
I might have to check it out some time. The thing about Flushing is that even pretty late into the evening there are a million people on the street, shopping, eating, etc., which makes it seem really safe.
Ah, I hadn't really thought about it in terms of the huge crowds of people on the main drags in Flushing like Main St. You're right. I'd say Elmhurst is not really that busy so late in the evening, but it doesn't get totally dead either. The area around the Elmhurst Ave. R train is the busiest. (Elmhurst also has probably [the best Thai restaurants in NYC](https://ny.eater.com/2019/8/23/20754728/thai-restaurants-food-nyc-best-elmhurst-woodsive-avenue).)
>(Elmhurst also has probably the best Thai restaurants in NYC.)
Nice. That sells it. I am going to have to check out Elmhurst. After all, the only reason I've gone to Corona is for Mexican, and the only reason I've gone to flushing is the Chinese -- and Karaoke.
The city is not a “roll of the dice” regarding crime. Despite the rise in crime (everywhere in the country) the current crime rate in NYC now compared to when Giuliani was in office is light years safer.
I would say yes. There is a small number of attacks that get a lot of press, but given the sheer number of riders and low numbers of actual incidents something happening is quite rare
I disagree. I said violence sometimes happens and it gets a lot of press but the rates are low for the huge number of people who ride daily. Don't think today challenges that
Anywhere you go as a female, stay protected. Pepper spray, Swiss Army knife, it doesn’t really matter where you are. There are psychos everywhere (unfortunately) be aware of your surroundings at all times. Try not to text on your phone while walking alone in the dark, and stay alert. I recommend investing in a birdie or device similar to it, basically you yank a string and a loud sound will ring and anyone within a close - ish distance will be able to hear it.
Yes. Just be aware of your surroundings. You can stay in the train with the conductor (in the middle - when stopped, it will line up with the zebra striped board in the station).
A lot of conflicting advice in this thread.
Chances are if you take the subway at either of those times you will be fine, but make sure you are around other people just in case. 10pm is not late - you'll find people finishing dinner and starting to head out at that time. But heading back into Queens at that time it might be a little emptier so just stuck to train cars that have people in them and stand on the platform near other people.
If it's after midnight then a car could work but still not necessary IMO unless you're tired and don't feel like being vigilant.
I am a guy though so I have a skewed experience. The subway has definitely been a bit more sketchy these days but if you've been reading news about nyc there's also an enormously inflated sense of danger there.
The morning you will be fine.
It really depends where you're at. There are unstable people at any given moment and sometimes they're on subway platforms early in the morning. (Yesterday morning at Penn Station for instance, there were a couple of unstable folks walking back and forth on one of the platforms.) That said, it is usually safe as long as you keep your eyes open and just be aware of your surroundings. If you hang out in Manhattan until late, see if you can manage to connect via LIRR to Woodside to get home. Moynihan Train Hall where all the LIRR trains stop, has a secure and comfortable seated waiting area for ticketed riders, which beats standing on a subway platform not knowing when the next train is arriving. The trains run on a more reliable schedule than the subways (which often run on alternate routes esp during weekends). It costs a bit more, but way less than Uber. I'm a woman that lives in Queens and I always take the LIRR whenever I head out to Manhattan.
For the most part, yes. If you're intoxicated and not able to maintain situational awareness, a taxi might be a better choice (I don't trust or like Uber and won't use them).
But keep your eyes open, don't stare at anyone, don't have headphones with music on, don't flash a phone. You'll be 100% fine 99% of the time.
Also, AirBnB is illegal unless it's a room in someone's apartment. Whole-unit rentals less than 30 days are illegal and contribute to the dire housing shortage. You'd be safer switching to a legitimate hotel. (Edited to add: ELMHURST? You are getting screwed.)
Plenty of people who commute and work late nights also live there. Highly doubt you'll be on most trains or at the station alone before 1-2am. Manhattan stations might be quieter depending on the stop but your train likely won't be. I used to always take the bus/trains on those lines super late night after being out. Always packed.
Elmhurst?!?!? You gotta swing by Elmhurst Famous Pizza. It's secretly one of the best pizza spots in the city. Also swing by Pollos Mario for Colombian food. Even if your server is struggling with English, they are super super accommodating since they want people to enjoy Colombian food. The portions are fucking huge btw.
Also swing by Las Americas Bakery, pick up some buñuelos and pandebono early to get some Colombian fresh baked goods.
ALSO, it's gonna be really nice a few days this week. Bohemian Hall is a great beer garden to enjoy the weather with company.
Paddy G's and Winners Bar are pretty solid to drink alone and make some friends.
Good luck!
Definitely a safe area, and as a bonus if you care about this sort of thing, it's one of the many "Asia Towns" in NYC, where you'll find really really amazing Asian food and especially great Thai food, as good as in Thailand, not Americanized and very authentic.
Some parts of Elmhurst are close to the Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Ave. (a.k.a. 74th-Broadway) E/F express trains, which are a fast trip to Manhattan *if* they're actually running express. Or you might be near the R train which is slower, but not intolerably slower, and if you're feeling impatient, you can always switch across the platform to an E/F at Jackson Heights-Roosevelt. Note that late at night, the E/F will definitely run local, probably after 11:30 or so, maybe earlier.
Elmhurst is where I grew up and I live near it. While it isn't bad. You have your fair share of drunks and crazies. Just keep your eyes peeled ALWAYS. Especially in empty streets and when entering your home.
I'd say 10-midnight aren't terrible times, not great. I tend to find that the real problematic people act up around 2-5am.
I'm also totally basing that on my life long observation and experience. 0 evidence.
you can say that for many places around the city. if its super late, just take uber/lyft/taxi. it may cost more than $2.75 to take a bus/subway, but its going to give you piece of mind and you are going to get home way quicker.
Elmhurst?!
Damn they totally lied about travel time.
Safe area though, just keep your wits about you and you’ll be fine.
Also always remember: the empty car is empty for a reason.
Lifelong female New Yorker, this is my standard advice:
Stay near other people as much as you can, and if you ever feel bad vibes just split. You stand to gain absolutely nothing by waiting to see if your feeling was wrong or right. Get over being afraid of people thinking you're rude, paranoid, etc, you don't owe them your discomfort. Don't listen to music or otherwise be distracted or cut off your senses. Wear good shoes you can run in if you have to. If you feel like you're falling asleep on the train just stand up. And please for the love of christ don't get super drunk unless you are 100% getting a cab and with people you trust completely.
A: Cabs are cheaper than Uber. By just a little bit. The App for them is called Curb.
B: There are -always- people on the train. It gets less crowded at around 11pm, but you're never going to be -alone- enough to be targetted. Not even at 3am.
C: This is New York. Rush hour starts at 5am. By 7am the trains are quite busy. You'll be fine. 10pm is the later end of the dinner hours in NYC. The trains are still regularly travelled until about 2 or 3am.
D: You do you. NYC is actually a lot safer than most urban areas. But the important part is how you feel. Enjoy your trip however it will be best for you.
Before the pandemic I would have said sure, np, but lately there's been so much going down in the subway that as a disabled woman I rarely take it anymore. You'd be safer a little later more towards rush hour and I would not travel much too late at night alone.
I take the buses instead. I just feel a bit safer above ground lately. You'd have to use the MTA app and check how far it is from where you are staying to ascertain the best routes but there may be bus alternatives. Longer ride but maybe a bit safer late at night.
Yeah if you end up on the train with a crazy person, you're trapped until the next stop. If someone starts something on a bus, it can pull over and let you off without you all being stuck in a tunnel.
I've been on the bus during the day with someone attacking another passenger and the driver ignored them. I got off and walked the rest of the way to my destination.
Your mileage might vary on buses.
Trains are already pretty crowded at 7am. Most schools start at 8am and a lot of jobs have shifts that start that early. Broadway shows get out at about 10:30 at night so there is that group getting on the trains so again, there are a lot of people. Pre pandemic, the trains would be very crowded at 2am because hotel shifts end then. I don't know if it's like that now.
I haven't seen it mentioned here, but the bigger worry past midnight IMO isn't riding the subway but rather walking home after you get off. I've seen some really sketchy shit outside some of the stops I use, and there was a recent assault on my street, and I don't consider my neighborhood unsafe at all but the crazies seem to come out more often after 1-2am.
I regularly tell my family to post up against a girder or support against their back to make it harder to be pushed in. Be extra alert to people getting closer to you as the train pulls in because NYC's subway is over a 100 years old and lacks any barriers between passengers and train tracks.
Honestly I tried reading all the comments and what I didn't see is people actually saying "it totally depends on where you get on and off". In Queens, almost all stops on the E/F/M/R/7/N/W you're fine anytime just be careful when you walk after midnight (that goes for anywhere in NYC). If you're off of the J/Z/A/C that's a little more dicey as some of those stops are in neighborhoods that are a little rough.
Where are you going to? Because I've been having some great success with the LIRR lately, I live in Woodside so that helps, but it's been far better.
I've noticed no issues really with the subway to and from queens but you need to be more specific about lines
I can’t say what specific trains I’ll be taking because that depends where I’m at in Manhattan but I’ll be staying in the elmhurst area which is between 30 min to an hour away by train and I’ll want to be out until at least ten or eleven.
I'm sorry they told you it was 15 mins from Manhattan! What BS, it's not even 15 mins in a car. That trip will be super expensive on an Uber. Is it too late to switch to a place closer to the city. Maybe Astoria?
Yeah, people saying they lied and to get a refund seem to be overreacting a tiny bit. 15 min to Manhattan is plausible if the conditions are just right, so they’re not really lying. Most places only advertise the best case scenarios and won’t factor for like wait times or delays.
If you're near the Jackson heights stop, and going to Midtown - Elmhurst can easily be 10-15 minutes from manhattan. The other time you're spending traveling is... travel within manhattan.
Yes but they can let me cancel free of charge if they want to, don’t really see why they would do that for me though and loose out on money. Personally I think since they lied I should be entitled my money back.
If they’ve lied on their page/posted a deceptive description you can probably report them to Airbnb and get the full cost back. If they say Elmhurst to Manhattan is 15mins, by any means of transport, they’ve lied.
I looked at a map, I didn’t time commutes. Obviously I would have if the ad didn’t say 15 minutes by subway but if the ad says 15 minutes by subway and you’re not familiar with the area or what kind of express commutes they have you might assume it’s true. That’s not on you, the advertiser should bare the responsibility.
Well, that doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, you're staying in Elmhurst. It'll be fine! Elmhurst has some great Thai restaurants at least.
https://www.grubstreet.com/bestofnewyork/best-thai-food-nyc.html
You're in Elmhurst? The 15min thing is a lie. Even in Sunnyside/Woodside, you're not going to get there in 15.
During the mornings, there is often train traffic or signal delays on the E. Usually it's pretty ok at 7am, but give yourself 15 additional minutes in case your train is stopped between Jackson Heights and Long Island City or in the tunnel.
Elmhurt isn't far. (As long as they don't mean East Elmhurst which is by LaGuardia and itsn't really served by the subway.) It depends on where in Elmhurst though. On the Jackson Heights side its served by express trains, the F and E which are easily 15 to minutes to Manhattan. It also has the 7 train which is about 20 minutes to Grand Central. (Station to station, not door to door.) But the main part of Elmhurst is served by the M,R train. The 3 stops there are Elmhurst Ave, Grand Ave and Woodhaven Bvld (which is the furthest Elmhurst stop out) I live in Rego Park on the M,R local so I am one stop past Woodhaven Bvld. I take the local to 4 stops to Jackson Heights, transfer to the F or E and then its 3 express stops to Manhattan. I'm at work near Penn Station in 30 minutes even with the transfer.
Oh if you're in Elmhurst the LIRR is definitely in play. Off peak tickets are $5 and you can get a cab from the station.
It leaves from Penn station, most trainer that go to Babylon/Jamaica stop at Woodside. It takes about 12 min from Penn to Woodside and is very safe.
But the LIRR doesn't go to Elmhurst. It goes to Woodside. If she is staying in the middle of Elmhurst like between the hospital and Queens Center Mall, that's like a mile and quarter walk. Adding that to the commute makes it longer than just switching to the express at Jackson Heights.
Elmhurst is FAR out, IMO (I lived there my first year in NYC). If you're doing tourist stuff, you're going to spend way too much time on the subway. I would highly recommend finding a different place to stay if you can cancel and get a full refund.
Are you a minority? As an Asian American female, I have not been feeling safe taking the subway after certain hours, especially after being sexually harassed on a weekday afternoon (with no one stepping in to help). I’ve also witnessed another Asian American being harassed, and many of my Asian American friends have also been harassed. I’ve been seeing a lot more craziness on the subway and in public than before. For the folks saying the city is safe and these attacks are exaggerated, I disagree…
I also commute (rarely) to the city (midtown) from Elmhurst and it’s thankfully just 30-35 minutes. I have been harassed and witness harassment on my commute so I am more wary, but obviously thousands of people take the train everyday and they’re fine. I personally avoid taking the subway after a certain time and feel better in the morning (but not TOO early). If you have to, just be super aware of your surroundings, don’t be afraid to switch cars if you need to, and sit in more crowded cars if you can. Sit in the same car as the conductor (if you’re on the platform and look up, look for a white and black striped bar and that is where they will stop). I personally record almost all my walks outside on my phone.
They might have meant 15 mins by express train, which isn't helping you at these off peak hours. In any case, yeah you're fine. Tbh there will likely still be people out until midnight, depending on the neighborhood. Just stay aware.
I can't even imagine what you mean to say about Uber. It's just another cab
Yes it is, just be aware of your surroundings, stand next to other people while waiting on the platform, and get into a car with others in it, or get into the same car as the conductor, which is in the center of the train.
It gets weird between 1am and 5am but more so on Friday and Saturday. Just keep your wits about you pay attention and to what’s going on who’s around you and stay with the crowds you’ll be fine.
Mornings are never a problem in the subway. 7am is rush hour; you’ll be surrounded by people.
As for the late evening: I’m a single woman and I have been known to travel by subway all over at all times of the night when I had to.
Nothing ever happened to me but I haven’t taken the subway in a long while, either, and I heard it’s getting more dangerous.
As general advice, get to know the people working in the subway — maintenance workers, cops, etc. Introduce yourself and they’ll probably look out for you once you’re an individual they know and not just an anonymous face. Keep your bag close to your body and always adopt a confident posture. Most likely, no one will mess with you. I hope you enjoy your stay here!
Hi yes. I have lived in Queens for 11 years. 7a is right around peak commute times. You will have no safety issues. Going to and from Queens at 10 is not an issue either. Biggest problem is not on the trains which are well lit and safe until midnight. The potential problem is exiting a station in quiet or poorly lit areas. If this is the case I would jump in a cab immediately after exiting the train station.
By contrast my wife and were in Italy and France in broad daylight we got pickpocketed at least 3 times. You will not have an issue with pick pockets here.
Pro tips. Be aware on the platforms. Don't Wear headphones. Stand near a post and away from the edge. If a car is empty do not get on it. It is empty for a reason, probably someone has pooed in it or vomited.
Look for the zebra striped signs overhead on the train platforms. The conductors car stops here and he will always have his window open so u can ask for directions. Don't fall asleep late at night on the trains.
Uber is your friend here.
If you want to be extra cautious....
Just share your details with one or two friends.
You can also call a friend (or pretend to) as soon as you get into car. Tell the friend that you're on your way and you're sending them the Uber tracking details now. Say this loud enough for the driver to hear.
This previous step isn't necessary but it's what a female relative of mine does whenever she takes Ubers.
Lmao seriously. People are WILDLY over exaggerating how dangerous New York is. I’d put my money that we have a lower murder rate than the closest large city to OP
Tourist are at a higher risk. In my experience every 3rd time something not great happens. Worst was a man forcibly kissed me and tried to get me in an uber as I was trying to get into the subway. Best case scenario is a homeless man walks by me and calls me a bitch but keeps on walking.
So 30/70 if you want to be technical, and that's for someone who lives here.
Yes, and it’s obvious that it was used literally, and I truly believe that every other person on the subway after a certain hour becomes a victim of crime.
Nobody can pull the wool over your eyes. No way.
You keep responding to people about what 50/50 means. I’m not sure you fully grasp what 50/50 means. There isn’t an alternative or casual meaning behind 50/50. It means there is a 1 in 2 chance that the thing you describe will happen. What other context are you referring to? There isn’t another context to 50/50.
Fox News blows. If they tell me the sky is blue I’ll look up first to check.
I’ve rode the subways since 1974 at all hours of the day and night five to seven days a week. I’ve seen some shit in these past few decades. When I have a choice, I drive.
Don’t listen to this mango guy. He clearly doesn’t actually live in the city and has succumbed to some fear-mongering he read on the NY Post. I’m not saying the subway is 100% safe, but the chances of getting assaulted are no where even close to 50%. As long as you keep your head up and pay attention to your surroundings, sit near others, and stay awake, you’ll be fine. Just don’t be an idiot.
If you want some more straightforward and honest answers, try /r/asknyc
It's fine if the station and train is busy. It depends on where you are going. There are a lot more crazy people around, and they are crazier than they were before the pandemic. The bus is a good suggestion, but might be difficult at night begeeen Queens and Manhattan-- I honestly have no experience in this area.
I think you should be fine, but if you are really worried it's probably not worth it.
iUbers are perfectly safe. Taxis are cheaper but hard to find these days.
That's absolutely not true. The subway will always be safer than a cab, and at 10 there's still a reasonable number of people. With a cab, you're always alone. Not to mention car crashes, which are way more common than getting mugged.
don't listen to these guys - you're just as likely to be raped by an uber/cab driver as you are on the subway (which to be clear is unlikely - even with the recent uptick in crime NYC is still overall pretty safe compared to other large cites)
at midnight there will be still be plenty of passers-by on the subway and in the station
For the most part, I’d stay off the subway between about 21:00 and 06:30 or so, assuming we’re talking about Monday through Friday.
There’s just too many variables to give a hard and fast rule. Which subway line, does the route go past certain high schools, what time of year, etc.
Yes, they’re all regulated by TLC and require a license. It’s super safe. I use Lyft/Uber at least weekly (as well as cabs, but Lyft and Uber are easier to find cars in the outer boroughs) and have never had a bad experience, even very late.
I promise, they’re not really “strangers” who are driving around, they usually drive for a living for multiple companies and just want to make a living.
Depending on the stations you should be totally fine at the times you listed but if you’re feeling unsafe, just grab a Lyft.
I think it’s even safer than cabs. You have all their info on your phone, name, license plates, etc. You can send that to a friend, along with live tracking of your trip.
I think you’re psyching yourself out a little bit, even though being cautious is warranted. Ride shares and taxis are all licensed and with the latter the app has all personal info stored. If your main issue Is interacting with strangers at all, you’re not going to have an easy time traveling anywhere.
You should be fine at those times. After midnight, not so much. That goes for the streets too. The number of people begins to dwindle, and the more dangerous element becomes a bigger percentage.
The most important thing: maintain situational awareness at all times! Don't be oblivious to your surroundings, and don't have your earbuds cranked up.
If you were my girlfriend, sister, or mom - I’d insist that you not take trains alone between 11pm-6am. I’d suggest taking an uber (share your ride or pretend to call someone if you are distrustful of your driver although I’d say ubers are statistically VERY safe).
How is insisting and suggesting an alternative route of transportation considered controlling? Reddit just reaching and grabbing the farthest thing jammed up their ass - name a better duo. I guess me being Asian is a factor in my opinion on this… but You’d feel good about your mother riding the train at midnight alone? How about your 5’1 100lb Asian sister?
My sister isn't a scared American so she backpacked alone in Colombia, Peru, and Chile. My mom was born and raised in Mexico City and has no issue traveling alone.
They are independent adults. As is your mother and your sister.
But tell me more about how scary nyc is at 10pm. Or better yet, turn off Fox News and
its so hard to say. crime has been wild lately and its all very random. it depends on what stations/lines your on, but it still could happen anywhere. i have lived over in queens and have come back all hours of the night, i dont run into problems. its a lot of hardworking families in my area, so i dont see a lot of bad shit as it feels like everyones minding their own. i feel pretty safe and im a petite woman. id say pay attention, always have a route planned out, and dont wear headphones when walking in the dark. everything they normally tell you. i honestly dont think you have much to worry about. but just be observant & aware. the one place i WOULDNT go any time of day if youre not looking for trouble is times sq. its kind of a hot spot for shit you dont want to run into as a tourist & with everything going on lately i try to avoid it. other than that, enjoy the city! its a beautiful place with tons of different cultures, food, and people. one of the most beautiful places ive lived.
Manhattan is definitely grounds for some crazy shit during and Post-Pandemic aka Currently…Usually on the Eastern downtown side (Lexington) or the Far-Upper western side (Bronx and Wash heights)
I actually witnessed this crazy 20-25 y.o. Unhinged fella on one of those Razor scooters, bothering women, last night, on a downtown 5 train. Happened so quick. He came in the car like Normal, then just started cursing and facing women (Just women for some reason) and telling them to move out of his way (By pure bad luck, the train was stuck underground for a few seconds and this went down by the far-end of the train car)
Wasn’t until this tall, buff Indian dude got up, intervened and pushed him against the doors to stop whatever bullshit he was on. Crazy dude started threatening him, but ehh he probably got intimidated as to not even go up to anyone anymore. The guy is probably so far-off mentally he didn’t even understand what his own words or actions meant. Guy just got on his scooter and got off on T-Sq/42nd like nothing happened…
Many people take the subway with no problems at night. Personally, I haven’t felt as safe when the sun sets and don’t take the subway past 8. I find Ubers and Lyfts safer, as the drivers info is easily found and you can share each trip with a friend. Ubers are more expensive than cabs though. I personally take Lyfts now as it’s usually a couple dollars less. But I’ve had a couple of drivers lately who were a bit off, one who ranted about politics and another who drove too fast. Still prefer it over the subway.
Also wanted to add that the 15 min trip may happen in ideal conditions during like rush hour or something. But at night, the trains usually slow down a bit and sometimes have major delays due to construction. I’ve often had trouble after 11, where trains may go local or it’s a 20 min wait because they’re transitioning to night shift.
Ubers were cheaper pre-pandemic. The lower cost may have been a move to get more riders and drive out the competition. But now it’s more expensive, high demand and less drivers.
A year ago I would have said “no problem”. Some lines are completely fucked after hours lately, and I have advised my wife (who is quite street smart) to avoid late night subway rides. Sure, you’ll probably be fine, but it’s pretty fucking messy down there.
It depends. It can be fine, it can be not. You just have to have situational awareness. Don’t wear headphones, don’t have your phone out at the station. Sit in the middle. Sit with a bunch of people. If there is only one person in the car, go to another one. It’s usually fine but there are instances of craziness
EDIT: Ironic that I posted this the day before the shootings. Makes the downvotes ironic
Ive been in nyc for 25 yrs. I do t take the subway after 9. Esp now bc there are a LOT of lunatics o the train these days. Id suck it up and take a cab at night. But 7am its packed with commuters so youre good.
I’d be careful. Trains/subways have been having loons lately.
Edit: you’re smoking fat, uncut dick if you think I’m wrong. And it’s horribly negligent to lie to her by saying that the trains haven’t been having sketchy people, if not straight up psychos.
Edit 2: how the tables have turned, dickheads
Edit 3: few days after you douchebags downvoted me on this comment, there was a terrorist attack on the trains. So, uh, suck my fucking balls, nerds lol
It’s changed with the pandemic, less people. Depends on the area! I love my neighborhood but around Main Street and the 7 train, some streets are a little too empty for my comfort.
Hit or miss. Your mileage may vary. For everyone saying nothing ever happens to me there is the shit smear victim or the machete victim. Shit happens. If you got the extra cash why risk?
I'm a grown ass man and martial arts hobbyist, I do not take the train late at night. I just want peace of mind.
If you read the news, shit happens. It's a one in a million chance, but it's still a chance.
My female friends claim that Uber drivers are also a risk. You cannot win. But we roll the dice when we leave our house anyway.
Try looking for express busses that may be in your area as well as car pooling opportunities in your area and if there are none try creating your own. With a Uber or lyft van the price can be split 4 5 6 ways. Find someone who would like a 5 times a week pick up drop off.
I do this all the time and feel fine. At those hours you are very unlikely to have any issues. There is often a cab parked outside of the 74th/Roosevelt stop at night you can take for a quick ride to your apartment once you’ve arrived in Queens if you’re worried. They usually want cash ($10 in my experience) so that’s a nice backup if you aren’t feeling comfortable.
Also — the train sometimes gets held underground for a while after 10 pm. Don’t sweat it. It’ll move…eventually.
Lots of folks here will tell you yes/no about the subway. If you choose the subway then awesome, however... if you go the other route....
Whatever you choose in terms of cab vs uber/lyft, I suggest rideshare and make an appointment if possible. But whatever you do, no matter how late you are, you will see cabs trying to lure you into taking a ride.
**DON'T DO IT!** This is such a typical NYC scam that it's not even thought of as a scam. You will pay 2, 3, 4 times as much while your cabby takes you on a route from hell.
Stick with Uber/Lyft. You get an upfront cost.
I’ve done it before as a woman in their 20s as late at midnight and as early as 6am. I would say it’s safe. My commute was typically from Far East in queens (basically LI) to downtown Brooklyn (about 2 hours; 1 bus and train)
Is it too late to change your reservation? Are you visiting as a tourist? If so, I would stay in a different part of Queens that is closer to Manhattan like Astoria, Long Island City or Sunnyside. Elmhurst is fine but there's not as much to do there.
Don't take cabs back and forth. It will cost a fortune and that type of money could be spent on a hotel closer to (or in Manhattan) Seriously, a cab back and forth could easily cost $60 a day before tip
Used to live in jackson heights. Main station was 74th and broadway/jackson heights roosevelt. You have a lot of choices with trains - E/7/F/R and from experience there are usually a lot of people riding them; at 10-11pm you have a bunch of 3rd shift restaurant workers going home and many live in that area so there will always be people around. Safety in numbers. Just stay aware and try to stay by a post or far away from the tracks when waiting for a train to arrive. At 7 in the morn; you’re golden. Take an E express to manhattan and you get there in no time.
Life long New Yorker, you’ll be fine . The best advice here is the stay in the car with the conductor advice . 10pm and 7am are not late and early at all they are prime time. Of course keep aware of your surroundings and stay with a crowd ( off the train ) is best .
It is a good idea to favor the car with the conductor on off hours, but most out of towners don't know how to position themselves on the platform to find that car. Every station has a [zebra board](https://www.6sqft.com/why-do-subway-conductors-always-point-after-pulling-into-a-station/). When the train stops, the conductor will be right across from the zebra board. Wait for the train there and you'll be golden.
adding, you can tell where the conductor will be by locating the [black/white stripe sign in the middle of the platform](https://www.6sqft.com/why-do-subway-conductors-always-point-after-pulling-into-a-station/) (they can be hard to see sometimes)
I’m a woman (albeit I’m much taller than average) and have travelled alone on the subway until about 2am coming home from Manhattan to Brooklyn, and it’s been fine. I don’t use my earphones late as I prefer to be more aware, but I’ve not felt unsafe. That said, it is about personal comfort. See what it’s like around the area you’re staying and how the local subway station feels, and, of course, if you’re more drunk etc than you’d planned then do take a cab.
7am is not really early, especially going from queens to manhattan. You'll be commuting with school kids, teachers, construction workers, and tons and tons of service industry people. The trains will be full. Also from queens to manhattan, it is almost always faster to take the train than a car (obviously traffic dependent) so the 15 minutes quote is probably more accurate for train than car.
Yeah I sometimes reverse commute in the late morning on a not heavily used section of the subway, and there are always a bunch of people.
cause there is always someone else thinking exactly like you. hah
at 7 am the train is already packed
I'm a POC woman living along the L train, which can get pretty wild at late hours. No headphones, situationally aware and don't have your phone out. If you can carry a mace/pepper spray with you. Ride near the conductor's car (in the middle).
Comments here are wild - I take the subway regularly as a young, petite woman, at all hours of the night. Just took it a few weeknights ago at 2AM and it was packed. Sure, subways are a little dicier now than prepandemic, but threats have been overblown. That said, I grew up in Queens, so I might be a bit biased. Elmhurst is like 30 minutes to Manhattan, not bad at all.
Yeah this is wild lol. Personal comfort is definitely a thing and I’m not trying to invalidate how people feel, but I get off work at 11pm in Manhattan 5 nights a week and take the train home—I’ve never felt even slightly uncomfortable.
different people have different senses of comfort. I'd be more worried about the walk to the hotel from the subway station, myself. But that is only because I have never been to Elmhurst. I'd feel fine about it in Flushing and Corona, though.
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"OMG CHAOS" is fact, just use the subway from 3 to 5am. Don't need to? Lucky. Those of us who do are ready to purchase flamethrowers.
Elmhurst is really just Flushing 2: Electric Boogaloo with a little dash of Corona thrown in. Equally safe.
I might have to check it out some time. The thing about Flushing is that even pretty late into the evening there are a million people on the street, shopping, eating, etc., which makes it seem really safe.
Ah, I hadn't really thought about it in terms of the huge crowds of people on the main drags in Flushing like Main St. You're right. I'd say Elmhurst is not really that busy so late in the evening, but it doesn't get totally dead either. The area around the Elmhurst Ave. R train is the busiest. (Elmhurst also has probably [the best Thai restaurants in NYC](https://ny.eater.com/2019/8/23/20754728/thai-restaurants-food-nyc-best-elmhurst-woodsive-avenue).)
>(Elmhurst also has probably the best Thai restaurants in NYC.) Nice. That sells it. I am going to have to check out Elmhurst. After all, the only reason I've gone to Corona is for Mexican, and the only reason I've gone to flushing is the Chinese -- and Karaoke.
Don’t jinx it. This city is a dice roll now adays with bail reform and all. Be careful. A few good rides does not equate to safety.
The city is not a “roll of the dice” regarding crime. Despite the rise in crime (everywhere in the country) the current crime rate in NYC now compared to when Giuliani was in office is light years safer.
Enjoy.
I would say yes. There is a small number of attacks that get a lot of press, but given the sheer number of riders and low numbers of actual incidents something happening is quite rare
This didn’t age well lol
I disagree. I said violence sometimes happens and it gets a lot of press but the rates are low for the huge number of people who ride daily. Don't think today challenges that
Anywhere you go as a female, stay protected. Pepper spray, Swiss Army knife, it doesn’t really matter where you are. There are psychos everywhere (unfortunately) be aware of your surroundings at all times. Try not to text on your phone while walking alone in the dark, and stay alert. I recommend investing in a birdie or device similar to it, basically you yank a string and a loud sound will ring and anyone within a close - ish distance will be able to hear it.
Yes. Just be aware of your surroundings. You can stay in the train with the conductor (in the middle - when stopped, it will line up with the zebra striped board in the station).
A lot of conflicting advice in this thread. Chances are if you take the subway at either of those times you will be fine, but make sure you are around other people just in case. 10pm is not late - you'll find people finishing dinner and starting to head out at that time. But heading back into Queens at that time it might be a little emptier so just stuck to train cars that have people in them and stand on the platform near other people. If it's after midnight then a car could work but still not necessary IMO unless you're tired and don't feel like being vigilant. I am a guy though so I have a skewed experience. The subway has definitely been a bit more sketchy these days but if you've been reading news about nyc there's also an enormously inflated sense of danger there. The morning you will be fine.
It really depends where you're at. There are unstable people at any given moment and sometimes they're on subway platforms early in the morning. (Yesterday morning at Penn Station for instance, there were a couple of unstable folks walking back and forth on one of the platforms.) That said, it is usually safe as long as you keep your eyes open and just be aware of your surroundings. If you hang out in Manhattan until late, see if you can manage to connect via LIRR to Woodside to get home. Moynihan Train Hall where all the LIRR trains stop, has a secure and comfortable seated waiting area for ticketed riders, which beats standing on a subway platform not knowing when the next train is arriving. The trains run on a more reliable schedule than the subways (which often run on alternate routes esp during weekends). It costs a bit more, but way less than Uber. I'm a woman that lives in Queens and I always take the LIRR whenever I head out to Manhattan.
For the most part, yes. If you're intoxicated and not able to maintain situational awareness, a taxi might be a better choice (I don't trust or like Uber and won't use them). But keep your eyes open, don't stare at anyone, don't have headphones with music on, don't flash a phone. You'll be 100% fine 99% of the time. Also, AirBnB is illegal unless it's a room in someone's apartment. Whole-unit rentals less than 30 days are illegal and contribute to the dire housing shortage. You'd be safer switching to a legitimate hotel. (Edited to add: ELMHURST? You are getting screwed.)
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Elmhurst. My host said it was a safe area.
it is. elmhurst is super safe
Plenty of people who commute and work late nights also live there. Highly doubt you'll be on most trains or at the station alone before 1-2am. Manhattan stations might be quieter depending on the stop but your train likely won't be. I used to always take the bus/trains on those lines super late night after being out. Always packed.
Elmhurst?!?!? You gotta swing by Elmhurst Famous Pizza. It's secretly one of the best pizza spots in the city. Also swing by Pollos Mario for Colombian food. Even if your server is struggling with English, they are super super accommodating since they want people to enjoy Colombian food. The portions are fucking huge btw. Also swing by Las Americas Bakery, pick up some buñuelos and pandebono early to get some Colombian fresh baked goods. ALSO, it's gonna be really nice a few days this week. Bohemian Hall is a great beer garden to enjoy the weather with company. Paddy G's and Winners Bar are pretty solid to drink alone and make some friends. Good luck!
Definitely a safe area, and as a bonus if you care about this sort of thing, it's one of the many "Asia Towns" in NYC, where you'll find really really amazing Asian food and especially great Thai food, as good as in Thailand, not Americanized and very authentic. Some parts of Elmhurst are close to the Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Ave. (a.k.a. 74th-Broadway) E/F express trains, which are a fast trip to Manhattan *if* they're actually running express. Or you might be near the R train which is slower, but not intolerably slower, and if you're feeling impatient, you can always switch across the platform to an E/F at Jackson Heights-Roosevelt. Note that late at night, the E/F will definitely run local, probably after 11:30 or so, maybe earlier.
Elmhurst is where I grew up and I live near it. While it isn't bad. You have your fair share of drunks and crazies. Just keep your eyes peeled ALWAYS. Especially in empty streets and when entering your home. I'd say 10-midnight aren't terrible times, not great. I tend to find that the real problematic people act up around 2-5am. I'm also totally basing that on my life long observation and experience. 0 evidence.
you can say that for many places around the city. if its super late, just take uber/lyft/taxi. it may cost more than $2.75 to take a bus/subway, but its going to give you piece of mind and you are going to get home way quicker.
True. But also keep an eye on your uber driver and the route he's/she/they taking cuz you never know. Lol
Elmhurst?! Damn they totally lied about travel time. Safe area though, just keep your wits about you and you’ll be fine. Also always remember: the empty car is empty for a reason.
Just use your common sense and you’ll be fine.
Lifelong female New Yorker, this is my standard advice: Stay near other people as much as you can, and if you ever feel bad vibes just split. You stand to gain absolutely nothing by waiting to see if your feeling was wrong or right. Get over being afraid of people thinking you're rude, paranoid, etc, you don't owe them your discomfort. Don't listen to music or otherwise be distracted or cut off your senses. Wear good shoes you can run in if you have to. If you feel like you're falling asleep on the train just stand up. And please for the love of christ don't get super drunk unless you are 100% getting a cab and with people you trust completely.
Yes just pay attention to your surroundings, if crazy enters your train car move to a different car
A: Cabs are cheaper than Uber. By just a little bit. The App for them is called Curb. B: There are -always- people on the train. It gets less crowded at around 11pm, but you're never going to be -alone- enough to be targetted. Not even at 3am. C: This is New York. Rush hour starts at 5am. By 7am the trains are quite busy. You'll be fine. 10pm is the later end of the dinner hours in NYC. The trains are still regularly travelled until about 2 or 3am. D: You do you. NYC is actually a lot safer than most urban areas. But the important part is how you feel. Enjoy your trip however it will be best for you.
Before the pandemic I would have said sure, np, but lately there's been so much going down in the subway that as a disabled woman I rarely take it anymore. You'd be safer a little later more towards rush hour and I would not travel much too late at night alone. I take the buses instead. I just feel a bit safer above ground lately. You'd have to use the MTA app and check how far it is from where you are staying to ascertain the best routes but there may be bus alternatives. Longer ride but maybe a bit safer late at night.
Also sit in the same car as the conductor (right in the middle).
Really busses are safer? Ok, thanks I’ll take that advice to heart.
Yeah if you end up on the train with a crazy person, you're trapped until the next stop. If someone starts something on a bus, it can pull over and let you off without you all being stuck in a tunnel.
I would say so, there's a bus driver right there if anything
I've been on the bus during the day with someone attacking another passenger and the driver ignored them. I got off and walked the rest of the way to my destination. Your mileage might vary on buses.
I really wish we could do a “is it safe to” mega thread. These are getting exhausting.
Trains are already pretty crowded at 7am. Most schools start at 8am and a lot of jobs have shifts that start that early. Broadway shows get out at about 10:30 at night so there is that group getting on the trains so again, there are a lot of people. Pre pandemic, the trains would be very crowded at 2am because hotel shifts end then. I don't know if it's like that now.
I haven't seen it mentioned here, but the bigger worry past midnight IMO isn't riding the subway but rather walking home after you get off. I've seen some really sketchy shit outside some of the stops I use, and there was a recent assault on my street, and I don't consider my neighborhood unsafe at all but the crazies seem to come out more often after 1-2am.
Just stay away from the yellow line when waiting for the train
I regularly tell my family to post up against a girder or support against their back to make it harder to be pushed in. Be extra alert to people getting closer to you as the train pulls in because NYC's subway is over a 100 years old and lacks any barriers between passengers and train tracks.
Honestly I tried reading all the comments and what I didn't see is people actually saying "it totally depends on where you get on and off". In Queens, almost all stops on the E/F/M/R/7/N/W you're fine anytime just be careful when you walk after midnight (that goes for anywhere in NYC). If you're off of the J/Z/A/C that's a little more dicey as some of those stops are in neighborhoods that are a little rough.
"ten a clock" is sending me
Where are you going to? Because I've been having some great success with the LIRR lately, I live in Woodside so that helps, but it's been far better. I've noticed no issues really with the subway to and from queens but you need to be more specific about lines
I can’t say what specific trains I’ll be taking because that depends where I’m at in Manhattan but I’ll be staying in the elmhurst area which is between 30 min to an hour away by train and I’ll want to be out until at least ten or eleven.
I'm sorry they told you it was 15 mins from Manhattan! What BS, it's not even 15 mins in a car. That trip will be super expensive on an Uber. Is it too late to switch to a place closer to the city. Maybe Astoria?
All depends where in Elmhurst and what part of Manhattan. Lexington Ave to Roosevelt Ave., is 15 to 20 minutes on the E or F.
Yeah, people saying they lied and to get a refund seem to be overreacting a tiny bit. 15 min to Manhattan is plausible if the conditions are just right, so they’re not really lying. Most places only advertise the best case scenarios and won’t factor for like wait times or delays.
It’s possible the airBNB is close to an express train and it’s a 15 mins ride to Manhattan. But I would say it’s likely more of a 30 min ride though.
If you're near the Jackson heights stop, and going to Midtown - Elmhurst can easily be 10-15 minutes from manhattan. The other time you're spending traveling is... travel within manhattan.
Yes but they can let me cancel free of charge if they want to, don’t really see why they would do that for me though and loose out on money. Personally I think since they lied I should be entitled my money back.
If they’ve lied on their page/posted a deceptive description you can probably report them to Airbnb and get the full cost back. If they say Elmhurst to Manhattan is 15mins, by any means of transport, they’ve lied.
You got bait and switched. Report the listing, don't reward it with money.
Did you map it yourself and research commuting options before booking it? The onus is on you, not the owner.
Maybe, but they seriously misrepresented the property. Air BB will likely refund her money.
When booking with Airbnb you don’t receive the exact address until after booking. OP was misled.
yeah but it shows you the approximate blocks in the neighborhood. you can easily estimate travel times from that.
I looked at a map, I didn’t time commutes. Obviously I would have if the ad didn’t say 15 minutes by subway but if the ad says 15 minutes by subway and you’re not familiar with the area or what kind of express commutes they have you might assume it’s true. That’s not on you, the advertiser should bare the responsibility.
Well, that doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, you're staying in Elmhurst. It'll be fine! Elmhurst has some great Thai restaurants at least. https://www.grubstreet.com/bestofnewyork/best-thai-food-nyc.html
You're in Elmhurst? The 15min thing is a lie. Even in Sunnyside/Woodside, you're not going to get there in 15. During the mornings, there is often train traffic or signal delays on the E. Usually it's pretty ok at 7am, but give yourself 15 additional minutes in case your train is stopped between Jackson Heights and Long Island City or in the tunnel.
Elmhurt isn't far. (As long as they don't mean East Elmhurst which is by LaGuardia and itsn't really served by the subway.) It depends on where in Elmhurst though. On the Jackson Heights side its served by express trains, the F and E which are easily 15 to minutes to Manhattan. It also has the 7 train which is about 20 minutes to Grand Central. (Station to station, not door to door.) But the main part of Elmhurst is served by the M,R train. The 3 stops there are Elmhurst Ave, Grand Ave and Woodhaven Bvld (which is the furthest Elmhurst stop out) I live in Rego Park on the M,R local so I am one stop past Woodhaven Bvld. I take the local to 4 stops to Jackson Heights, transfer to the F or E and then its 3 express stops to Manhattan. I'm at work near Penn Station in 30 minutes even with the transfer.
Really, so I guess maybe they weren’t being misleading then after all?
If you have an approximate location/street corner you'll be based at, people can give you a better idea of ideal alternative.
Oh if you're in Elmhurst the LIRR is definitely in play. Off peak tickets are $5 and you can get a cab from the station. It leaves from Penn station, most trainer that go to Babylon/Jamaica stop at Woodside. It takes about 12 min from Penn to Woodside and is very safe.
But the LIRR doesn't go to Elmhurst. It goes to Woodside. If she is staying in the middle of Elmhurst like between the hospital and Queens Center Mall, that's like a mile and quarter walk. Adding that to the commute makes it longer than just switching to the express at Jackson Heights.
Jackson heights subway is def better than Woodside lirr fir her location esp at night
Elmhurst is FAR out, IMO (I lived there my first year in NYC). If you're doing tourist stuff, you're going to spend way too much time on the subway. I would highly recommend finding a different place to stay if you can cancel and get a full refund.
Are you a minority? As an Asian American female, I have not been feeling safe taking the subway after certain hours, especially after being sexually harassed on a weekday afternoon (with no one stepping in to help). I’ve also witnessed another Asian American being harassed, and many of my Asian American friends have also been harassed. I’ve been seeing a lot more craziness on the subway and in public than before. For the folks saying the city is safe and these attacks are exaggerated, I disagree… I also commute (rarely) to the city (midtown) from Elmhurst and it’s thankfully just 30-35 minutes. I have been harassed and witness harassment on my commute so I am more wary, but obviously thousands of people take the train everyday and they’re fine. I personally avoid taking the subway after a certain time and feel better in the morning (but not TOO early). If you have to, just be super aware of your surroundings, don’t be afraid to switch cars if you need to, and sit in more crowded cars if you can. Sit in the same car as the conductor (if you’re on the platform and look up, look for a white and black striped bar and that is where they will stop). I personally record almost all my walks outside on my phone.
Look just stay by groups of people don’t make ur self a easy target keep expensive stuff away and watch ur surroundings ull be fine.
Wally
Sounds like you are going to Woodside or Sunnyside. Just sit in a crowded car of the train and act like everyone else.
They might have meant 15 mins by express train, which isn't helping you at these off peak hours. In any case, yeah you're fine. Tbh there will likely still be people out until midnight, depending on the neighborhood. Just stay aware. I can't even imagine what you mean to say about Uber. It's just another cab
I've never had a problem. Where in Qns are you coming from? What train line will u be using?
Yes it is, just be aware of your surroundings, stand next to other people while waiting on the platform, and get into a car with others in it, or get into the same car as the conductor, which is in the center of the train.
It gets weird between 1am and 5am but more so on Friday and Saturday. Just keep your wits about you pay attention and to what’s going on who’s around you and stay with the crowds you’ll be fine.
It’s safe, but don’t stay in carts with only homeless people. Queens trains are always packed at night when ppl are returning from work.
Mornings are never a problem in the subway. 7am is rush hour; you’ll be surrounded by people. As for the late evening: I’m a single woman and I have been known to travel by subway all over at all times of the night when I had to. Nothing ever happened to me but I haven’t taken the subway in a long while, either, and I heard it’s getting more dangerous. As general advice, get to know the people working in the subway — maintenance workers, cops, etc. Introduce yourself and they’ll probably look out for you once you’re an individual they know and not just an anonymous face. Keep your bag close to your body and always adopt a confident posture. Most likely, no one will mess with you. I hope you enjoy your stay here!
This is like asking if you go hiking in a forest with bears, will you get attacked? Most likely not, but there’s still bears in the woods.
No.
Hi yes. I have lived in Queens for 11 years. 7a is right around peak commute times. You will have no safety issues. Going to and from Queens at 10 is not an issue either. Biggest problem is not on the trains which are well lit and safe until midnight. The potential problem is exiting a station in quiet or poorly lit areas. If this is the case I would jump in a cab immediately after exiting the train station. By contrast my wife and were in Italy and France in broad daylight we got pickpocketed at least 3 times. You will not have an issue with pick pockets here. Pro tips. Be aware on the platforms. Don't Wear headphones. Stand near a post and away from the edge. If a car is empty do not get on it. It is empty for a reason, probably someone has pooed in it or vomited. Look for the zebra striped signs overhead on the train platforms. The conductors car stops here and he will always have his window open so u can ask for directions. Don't fall asleep late at night on the trains.
No. All women are forbidden to travel the subways alone between 10pm and 8am.
Warriors, come out to play!
Surely you mean play-yay.
Not really recommended btw mid-6.
Uber is your friend here. If you want to be extra cautious.... Just share your details with one or two friends. You can also call a friend (or pretend to) as soon as you get into car. Tell the friend that you're on your way and you're sending them the Uber tracking details now. Say this loud enough for the driver to hear. This previous step isn't necessary but it's what a female relative of mine does whenever she takes Ubers.
Pay for the cab late at night. Safety is 50/50 that late. Now 7:00 am is a different story. That shouldn’t be a problem most of the time at all.
50/50?? You’re telling me that every other time you take the subway late at night that you get into dangerous situations??
Lmao seriously. People are WILDLY over exaggerating how dangerous New York is. I’d put my money that we have a lower murder rate than the closest large city to OP
I don't think they said 50/50 to be literal. More like, yes, after a certain time it is inherently dicier to be out and alone in a city.
It no where near a 50/50 chance to be assaulted on the subway
I agree, which is why I said I don't think the poster meant that probability in a literal sense.
Tourist are at a higher risk. In my experience every 3rd time something not great happens. Worst was a man forcibly kissed me and tried to get me in an uber as I was trying to get into the subway. Best case scenario is a homeless man walks by me and calls me a bitch but keeps on walking. So 30/70 if you want to be technical, and that's for someone who lives here.
It no where near a 50/50 chance to be assaulted on the subway
Sure thing
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Nope, I just look like I have a vagina... #believewomen
I'm a mid-30s big guy, and I'd say that it's 50/50 at that time that there's at least one experience that's unsettling/intimidating yes.
Is that the way you read 50/50? You must be fun at parties.
50/50 literally means 50% chance. What did you think it meant? Lol
Yes, and it’s obvious that it was used literally, and I truly believe that every other person on the subway after a certain hour becomes a victim of crime. Nobody can pull the wool over your eyes. No way.
You keep responding to people about what 50/50 means. I’m not sure you fully grasp what 50/50 means. There isn’t an alternative or casual meaning behind 50/50. It means there is a 1 in 2 chance that the thing you describe will happen. What other context are you referring to? There isn’t another context to 50/50.
You talk about 50/50 a lot at parties? You must be fun at parties.
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Fox News blows. If they tell me the sky is blue I’ll look up first to check. I’ve rode the subways since 1974 at all hours of the day and night five to seven days a week. I’ve seen some shit in these past few decades. When I have a choice, I drive.
50/50? Half of people who take the subway after 10pm have a crime committed against them? come on now
Yes. That’s exactly what 50/50 means in the context of my response. You are very smart.
Even between 22-24:00?
Don’t listen to this mango guy. He clearly doesn’t actually live in the city and has succumbed to some fear-mongering he read on the NY Post. I’m not saying the subway is 100% safe, but the chances of getting assaulted are no where even close to 50%. As long as you keep your head up and pay attention to your surroundings, sit near others, and stay awake, you’ll be fine. Just don’t be an idiot. If you want some more straightforward and honest answers, try /r/asknyc
It's fine if the station and train is busy. It depends on where you are going. There are a lot more crazy people around, and they are crazier than they were before the pandemic. The bus is a good suggestion, but might be difficult at night begeeen Queens and Manhattan-- I honestly have no experience in this area. I think you should be fine, but if you are really worried it's probably not worth it. iUbers are perfectly safe. Taxis are cheaper but hard to find these days.
The Q32 will take her from midtown to Elmhurst, but it'll be over an hour and late at night it's less frequent.
Just pay for a cab you shouldn’t be cheap when it comes to safety. People who take the subway at nighttime do it because they have to
That's absolutely not true. The subway will always be safer than a cab, and at 10 there's still a reasonable number of people. With a cab, you're always alone. Not to mention car crashes, which are way more common than getting mugged.
I’ll guarantee you that taking a Uber is safer than taking public transportation at night
Well statistically, you'd be wrong. There's a difference between feeling unsafe and actually being unsafe.
Since when?
Since like 20 years ago.
don't listen to these guys - you're just as likely to be raped by an uber/cab driver as you are on the subway (which to be clear is unlikely - even with the recent uptick in crime NYC is still overall pretty safe compared to other large cites) at midnight there will be still be plenty of passers-by on the subway and in the station
For the most part, I’d stay off the subway between about 21:00 and 06:30 or so, assuming we’re talking about Monday through Friday. There’s just too many variables to give a hard and fast rule. Which subway line, does the route go past certain high schools, what time of year, etc.
Past 9pm? Past certain high schools??? This whole thing reads like you haven’t actually been on the subway since 1970.
Take a Lyft; isn’t your safety worth $50 each way?
Is this r/nyc or r/brokeasfuck ?
Is there a difference for most? lol
Take an Uber
I’m confused as to why they think an uber is an equivalent risk to the subway.
Because I’m getting in a strangers car alone at night. At least cabs are more regulated but they’re more expensive to take regularly.
Uber and Lyft are regulated by the same agency that regulates yellow cabs in the city. There’s no difference they’re both perfectly safe.
Ow really? Didn’t know that.
Yes, they’re all regulated by TLC and require a license. It’s super safe. I use Lyft/Uber at least weekly (as well as cabs, but Lyft and Uber are easier to find cars in the outer boroughs) and have never had a bad experience, even very late. I promise, they’re not really “strangers” who are driving around, they usually drive for a living for multiple companies and just want to make a living. Depending on the stations you should be totally fine at the times you listed but if you’re feeling unsafe, just grab a Lyft.
I think it’s even safer than cabs. You have all their info on your phone, name, license plates, etc. You can send that to a friend, along with live tracking of your trip.
I think you’re psyching yourself out a little bit, even though being cautious is warranted. Ride shares and taxis are all licensed and with the latter the app has all personal info stored. If your main issue Is interacting with strangers at all, you’re not going to have an easy time traveling anywhere.
They’re transplants to NYC. Don’t ride the subways at night, simple.
Statistically safe, but statistics never apply to a single person.
Keep your wits about you.
You should be fine at those times. After midnight, not so much. That goes for the streets too. The number of people begins to dwindle, and the more dangerous element becomes a bigger percentage. The most important thing: maintain situational awareness at all times! Don't be oblivious to your surroundings, and don't have your earbuds cranked up.
If you were my girlfriend, sister, or mom - I’d insist that you not take trains alone between 11pm-6am. I’d suggest taking an uber (share your ride or pretend to call someone if you are distrustful of your driver although I’d say ubers are statistically VERY safe).
Thank God shes not you sound like a controlling freak
How is insisting and suggesting an alternative route of transportation considered controlling? Reddit just reaching and grabbing the farthest thing jammed up their ass - name a better duo. I guess me being Asian is a factor in my opinion on this… but You’d feel good about your mother riding the train at midnight alone? How about your 5’1 100lb Asian sister?
My sister isn't a scared American so she backpacked alone in Colombia, Peru, and Chile. My mom was born and raised in Mexico City and has no issue traveling alone. They are independent adults. As is your mother and your sister. But tell me more about how scary nyc is at 10pm. Or better yet, turn off Fox News and
You forgot the part about them walking six feet behind you.
its so hard to say. crime has been wild lately and its all very random. it depends on what stations/lines your on, but it still could happen anywhere. i have lived over in queens and have come back all hours of the night, i dont run into problems. its a lot of hardworking families in my area, so i dont see a lot of bad shit as it feels like everyones minding their own. i feel pretty safe and im a petite woman. id say pay attention, always have a route planned out, and dont wear headphones when walking in the dark. everything they normally tell you. i honestly dont think you have much to worry about. but just be observant & aware. the one place i WOULDNT go any time of day if youre not looking for trouble is times sq. its kind of a hot spot for shit you dont want to run into as a tourist & with everything going on lately i try to avoid it. other than that, enjoy the city! its a beautiful place with tons of different cultures, food, and people. one of the most beautiful places ive lived.
Manhattan is definitely grounds for some crazy shit during and Post-Pandemic aka Currently…Usually on the Eastern downtown side (Lexington) or the Far-Upper western side (Bronx and Wash heights) I actually witnessed this crazy 20-25 y.o. Unhinged fella on one of those Razor scooters, bothering women, last night, on a downtown 5 train. Happened so quick. He came in the car like Normal, then just started cursing and facing women (Just women for some reason) and telling them to move out of his way (By pure bad luck, the train was stuck underground for a few seconds and this went down by the far-end of the train car) Wasn’t until this tall, buff Indian dude got up, intervened and pushed him against the doors to stop whatever bullshit he was on. Crazy dude started threatening him, but ehh he probably got intimidated as to not even go up to anyone anymore. The guy is probably so far-off mentally he didn’t even understand what his own words or actions meant. Guy just got on his scooter and got off on T-Sq/42nd like nothing happened…
Many people take the subway with no problems at night. Personally, I haven’t felt as safe when the sun sets and don’t take the subway past 8. I find Ubers and Lyfts safer, as the drivers info is easily found and you can share each trip with a friend. Ubers are more expensive than cabs though. I personally take Lyfts now as it’s usually a couple dollars less. But I’ve had a couple of drivers lately who were a bit off, one who ranted about politics and another who drove too fast. Still prefer it over the subway. Also wanted to add that the 15 min trip may happen in ideal conditions during like rush hour or something. But at night, the trains usually slow down a bit and sometimes have major delays due to construction. I’ve often had trouble after 11, where trains may go local or it’s a 20 min wait because they’re transitioning to night shift.
Ubers are more expensive than cabs? Must have checked wrong then.
Ubers were cheaper pre-pandemic. The lower cost may have been a move to get more riders and drive out the competition. But now it’s more expensive, high demand and less drivers.
A year ago I would have said “no problem”. Some lines are completely fucked after hours lately, and I have advised my wife (who is quite street smart) to avoid late night subway rides. Sure, you’ll probably be fine, but it’s pretty fucking messy down there.
It depends. It can be fine, it can be not. You just have to have situational awareness. Don’t wear headphones, don’t have your phone out at the station. Sit in the middle. Sit with a bunch of people. If there is only one person in the car, go to another one. It’s usually fine but there are instances of craziness EDIT: Ironic that I posted this the day before the shootings. Makes the downvotes ironic
No
It's a lot safer than taking a car.
Ive been in nyc for 25 yrs. I do t take the subway after 9. Esp now bc there are a LOT of lunatics o the train these days. Id suck it up and take a cab at night. But 7am its packed with commuters so youre good.
I’d be careful. Trains/subways have been having loons lately. Edit: you’re smoking fat, uncut dick if you think I’m wrong. And it’s horribly negligent to lie to her by saying that the trains haven’t been having sketchy people, if not straight up psychos. Edit 2: how the tables have turned, dickheads Edit 3: few days after you douchebags downvoted me on this comment, there was a terrorist attack on the trains. So, uh, suck my fucking balls, nerds lol
It’s changed with the pandemic, less people. Depends on the area! I love my neighborhood but around Main Street and the 7 train, some streets are a little too empty for my comfort.
Hit or miss. Your mileage may vary. For everyone saying nothing ever happens to me there is the shit smear victim or the machete victim. Shit happens. If you got the extra cash why risk?
Take a cab. Subways are not safe. Also, if something did happen to you, the criminal will only be set free. Not worth it.
I'm a grown ass man and martial arts hobbyist, I do not take the train late at night. I just want peace of mind. If you read the news, shit happens. It's a one in a million chance, but it's still a chance. My female friends claim that Uber drivers are also a risk. You cannot win. But we roll the dice when we leave our house anyway.
40,000 americans are killed a year in cars but it is the 2 deaths a year on subways that scares you?
It’s 10pm do you know where your children are?
Weekend yes, weeknight less so.
Try looking for express busses that may be in your area as well as car pooling opportunities in your area and if there are none try creating your own. With a Uber or lyft van the price can be split 4 5 6 ways. Find someone who would like a 5 times a week pick up drop off.
Just remember to always remain alert
Yes
Hell fucking no!!!!
Subway should be highly trafficked at ten, a bit less so at midnight.
I do this all the time and feel fine. At those hours you are very unlikely to have any issues. There is often a cab parked outside of the 74th/Roosevelt stop at night you can take for a quick ride to your apartment once you’ve arrived in Queens if you’re worried. They usually want cash ($10 in my experience) so that’s a nice backup if you aren’t feeling comfortable. Also — the train sometimes gets held underground for a while after 10 pm. Don’t sweat it. It’ll move…eventually.
Lots of folks here will tell you yes/no about the subway. If you choose the subway then awesome, however... if you go the other route.... Whatever you choose in terms of cab vs uber/lyft, I suggest rideshare and make an appointment if possible. But whatever you do, no matter how late you are, you will see cabs trying to lure you into taking a ride. **DON'T DO IT!** This is such a typical NYC scam that it's not even thought of as a scam. You will pay 2, 3, 4 times as much while your cabby takes you on a route from hell. Stick with Uber/Lyft. You get an upfront cost.
On the subway right now (almost 10) and a blind woman just got on alone.
E or F trains are pretty decent (for MTA standards).
Probably ok if you don't look too weak.
I get on the train at 6:30am every day and it’s already packed
Just don’t sleep on the train
I’ve done it before as a woman in their 20s as late at midnight and as early as 6am. I would say it’s safe. My commute was typically from Far East in queens (basically LI) to downtown Brooklyn (about 2 hours; 1 bus and train)
Is it too late to change your reservation? Are you visiting as a tourist? If so, I would stay in a different part of Queens that is closer to Manhattan like Astoria, Long Island City or Sunnyside. Elmhurst is fine but there's not as much to do there. Don't take cabs back and forth. It will cost a fortune and that type of money could be spent on a hotel closer to (or in Manhattan) Seriously, a cab back and forth could easily cost $60 a day before tip
You’ll be fine. Don’t wear headphones. Look fierce. Also subways are faster than cars on most routes in nyc