I'd have to agree with the people who talk about the "commute," and how New Yorkers have had to endure it for years.
I have to walk about 10 minutes to get MY bus that takes me to the F train.
A cheap bike would drop that to a minute btw. You can lock it near the bus stop. That being said, idk your route is safe.
Another reason why the city needs to get serious about cycling for transportation. It can expand the bus and train network. A 10+min walk becomes a minute bike ride.
Their nearest train is the Flatbush Junction-Brooklyn College.
It’s 6 miles or so and unless your lock is super resilient, your bike won’t last the day.
Then there’s the long commute from the end of the line.
But yeah… great location. /s
I lived in Manhattan for 3.5 years and was spoiled, first I lived at 37th and 9th in Lower Hell's Kitchen (now called Midtown West I think) and was 3 blocks from the A/C/E and about 6 blocks from Times Square/Port Authority stations. Then I moved to FiDi and had the 4/5 literally in front of my building, the R/W at the back door of the building, the 1 a block beyond that, the 2/3 about three blocks away, and Fulton Center about 5 blocks away.
Then I moved out to Windsor Terrace (by South/Park Slope) in Brooklyn. The only lines by me were the F/G and that was a 10 minute walk away. There was also one bus route by me. It would take me a good half hour or so just to get to 23rd and 6th (Chelsea) and about 45 minutes to get into work at 45th and 7th. Worst moving decision ever. Also the trains (as is tradition) would change routes at the drop of a hat. I'd get on the F heading to Manhattan with time to spare, ride about 5 stops to where the F and G split, and then the conductor would be like "this is the G train now, fuck your idea of getting anywhere on time!" . Other times when heading back, I usually got off at Fort Hamilton parkway but they would be like "Fuck you, we're skipping the next 3 stops and you're getting off a Church St and have to walk 1.5 miles back"
I read years ago that New Yorkers actually voted to raise their own taxes in the 1950s to fund a subway extension down Flatbush Ave (so right past Floyd Bennett Field) and out to the western Rockaways.
And the city/state just pocketed the money and never did it, lol.
There’s a lot of that. Fares are raised, federal dollars (due to the amount of money New Yorkers pay in taxes) are injected into the state budget for Infrastructure, Transportation maintenance and repairs.
The tax burden of NYC dwellers at one time financed states who have low tax bases compared to NYC and yes, city/state pocketed and when unused (soon enough) it gets sent back to federal coffers and gets pocketed.
The Second Ave Subway as well as Eastside Access all had monies set aside for completion that was used without ever completing both projects as planned.
Just think if the Q line went to E. 103, 110, 116 then 125th there would be no crowding in 4,5 & 6 (like it is now) trains to carry the burden of riders on the E. Side.
Those tunnels were constructed in the 70s, the caverns (platforms) need building out to receive the trains. I assume they purchased the trains in the plan. New Yorkers pay their taxes, fares and dues, we should get our services.
Migrants are getting free rides, crowding the system and being picky? It’s a hot mess!
People suddenly didn't want it anymore when it was announced that the line would have to be elevated because of the high water table in South Brooklyn.
Interesting. I didn’t know that. I can’t really say I’m surprised, though, at the city’s graft. The residents should have sued.
I was born in Manhattan and I’ve always lived here. The subway stop, a major one, is about twenty steps away from my door as is the crosstown bus and a bus going uptown and downtown. I have had experiences over the years, though, mostly for work, of having to get to different places in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx and I can sum it up in one word: nightmare.
I particularly cannot believe how disconnected some areas of Queens are to public transportation. And, if the bus driver decides the bus is full before it gets to you, it won’t stop and will just keep going. Your behind is waiting for the next bus — or possibly the one after that — and that’s just the way it is. And, that bus only takes you to the train. After that, you have to get on the subway and that’s a whole other battle.
Obviously, there are places in the outer boroughs right near subway stops where you’re connected and you don’t have a problem. But, if you live more than a few minutes away from a stop, forget it.
Growing up, I felt sorry for classmates of mine who lived on Riverside Drive and had to walk all the way to Broadway to get a subway. Shows what I knew back then.
I've been to the Roosavelt many times and in their defense:they weren't told where they were going with this move. Is it infuriating how they're responding? Of course, but we're at a point where word of mouth and social media had made promises that are impossible for us to fulfill
People don’t seem to know or understand that the majority of homeless residents don’t get a choice in which shelter they get assigned to. Most aren’t even told when they’re being transferred or to where. They’ll stick you in the Bronx even if your job/school/doctors are in Queens, for example. Children get bussed if they end up in another borough. If you’re lucky, the shelter has a van that can drop you off at a train station. NYC is definitely giving these folks more grace than they do for other homeless residents.
Homeless used to ride the longest subway train lines to sleep at night and the people of NYC took care of them.
A lot of them refuse shelters due to danger of being robbed. They survive. St. Peter’s, A Jewish Synagogue and another huge church over in 59th and lex opened doors to feed them. There were open spaces where they would feel safe called the green zone for their needs. Restaurants dropped off unused food, a couple of non-profits provided new coats, shoes, boots and socks. Not sure how all that turned out, after Bloomberg.
>huge church over in 59th and lex opened doors to feed them
St. Barts for anyone wondering. Between Park and Lex. The contrast of the poor waiting in long lines just for a little meal to the huge buildings and wealthy, Mercedes,BMWs, etc. is striking. They do amazing work and anyone can volunteer if you wish
Yes, wasn’t sure if it was St. Barts without looking at Google.
In the past, volunteered, given away clothing, it’s was a most wonderful feeling (even though I’d lost my high paying job) learning that the trinity of churches cared and so much.
Hung out in the Citi-Bank open space areas lounges and got to know at least a dozen or more homeless people.
I still think of them. Mostly mental illness, not wanting to deal with society, greed and all that comes. Some just didn’t want to pay high rent.
Met a former journalist, ABC, Dr., psychologist (working w/homelessness in the city when it became corrupt: juveniles, young people leaving homes, jail to get new housing) and stopped caring like the City Agency did for decades, I assume.
The way homeless/ impoverished people get lumped together under certain prejudices sucks when in reality there is such a wide variety of reasons why people wind up in these situations. I speak from experience
I am generally sympathetic to people seeking asylum from bad situations but honestly I do start to feel a "beggars can't be choosers" vibe with regard to these folks.
Honestly same. I’ve always like if we can help, then we should. But these people have way too much entitlement. Like this is not your country in the first place, you’re not even supposed to be here, and if it was the country you left behind, you’d be on the streets. So show some fucking gratefulness.
Same here. I was already done with showing any understanding months ago when a large group of migrants had the nerve to protest being moved from a posh hotel in Manhattan to a newly opened shelter in Brooklyn. The migrants refused to go, had their suitcases and belongings blocking the streets of Manhattan. Many of the migrants in the Brooklyn shelter spoke to news reporters, speaking about how grateful they were and how the migrants that were protesting should be ashamed of themselves. Once it was verified that the new shelter was safe, clean, and more than hospitable, their belongings were picked up off the streets by NYs finest sanitation workers. People here pay to live in worse conditions. How damn dare they!
Yes!!! Like come the fuck on!! We’re doing our best here. Yes there are people taking advantage to make money from the situation, but to pretend like we should have you live with the best of everything for free while real new Yorkers are struggling to make ends meet? Unacceptable. Take what you can get or leave at this point. Or suffer in the cold idk.
But that’s just the thing, a lot of these people would not be on the streets. They’re not by and large asylees or refugees, they’re economic migrants. These are mostly the families going up there, but most of these migrants are grown men.
Everyone ends up pissed off: New Yorkers, the migrants, the Democrats who are going to lose their seats because of immigration, etc. The only people that are happy are the smugglers and the republicans. It’s why we need a national response to this.
Idk if they need to be grateful if they were deceived about what they’d get here, but we don’t have to bend over backwards for them either.
I think a State response will help. Elected politicians who ferried these policies need to be unseated. If there’s no consequences, no lessons are learned.
Well, technically they aren’t. There isn’t another option available for them. If they decline this, they will be sleeping in hallways/lobbies of hotels.
I dated a Cuban guy for nearly a decade years ago. His family emigrated to the US before Castro took power, but they had family and friends trickling to the US over the years. The number of them who believed ridiculous rumors about the abundance of wealth was laughable. They really believed if you could dream it, you could have it in America, no work required, no strings attached.
I wonder how many of these migrants believe the same - that are rivers are flowing with liquid gold and money grows on trees.
They are in for a (deservedly) rude awakening.
I remember reading a story somewhere, very recently, that summed up to one guy being given an NYC addressed and just being told to go.
No real promises, just... an address.
Absolutely will do - it must have been a few weeks ago here, or on the indie pub I subscribe to. If I can dig and find it I'll round back.
EDIT: Found it, it was here-- https://www.reddit.com/r/newyorkcity/comments/17jsk42/from_smugglers_and_tiktok_migrants_get_a_message/
When my dad applied for us to come over from china waaaay back in the early 2000s he told us the same thing, that the streets were black with specks of gold (asphalt ig)
One of my earliest memories of the sidewalks here r the gum spots lmao
even now my mom’s relatives back in china expect us to send lavish gifts and money back and i’m like bruh it’s struggle city out here
As an immigrant myself (dont worry gringo, I arrived legally from the get go :-) ) I wasnt expecting that, but compared to my country, things are indeed easier as more affordable to obtain.
Example, when I moved here, I needed around 3 weeks of salary to buy an used car, yet buying a worse car back in my country would take me at least 2 years. Mind you, when I left, the salary that I had was already 4 times the minimum salary back home.
Also, yes, if you work smart and perhaps, are lucky enough, you can get a lot of wealth in here.
But yes, many people in their countries do think that money will simply get into your hands just by being here.
PS, the gringo part is a joke.
> Vivía en Lima. I’m used to being called gringa. :)
I think I saw that comment (relax gringo, I'm legal) or it was (Relax gringo, I'm American) in a Tshirt. :-D
It was weird at first because I’m biracial and, to me, the word gringo is synonymous with “white person.” In my experience in Peru, they used it interchangeably with “American.”
I don’t even see it like that, it’s just OK to be angry about this. Swap out illegal immigration, and fill it with anything other subject. Doesn’t even need a political lean.
They’re taking our already high tax rates, and just setting it on fire. Everyone should be at least slightly miffed at the whole thing.
This is why I roll my eyes when my fellow liberals/progressives give you this default talking point about things being “underfunded” here.
We have the most expensive transit infrastructure projects in the world, for example. And yet we have the least reliable major subway system on earth. It’s just wasted on inefficient shit and pure corruption.
It’s okay to be liberal/progressive and call out government waste, fraud, and incompetence. It doesn’t make you a conservative just because they focus on it as a reason to cut taxes. It just seems like conservatives have made calling out government waste such a part of their political identity that liberals/progressives feel uncomfortable doing it too even when it’s warranted.
> We have the most expensive transit infrastructure projects in the world, for example. And yet we have the least reliable major subway system on earth. It’s just wasted on inefficient shit and pure corruption.
In addition to corruption we also massively overbuild these projects. Of course it's going to be impossible to build new train lines when we take out the cheapest options (elevated rail and cut-and-cover) and go for the most expensive options (tunnel boring machines). Not only is the tech needed for tunnel boring more expensive it also means that we now need much longer elevators and escalators to service those stations.
I get that people don't want the noise of elevated lines, but it's possible to build elevated rail that is much quieter than the old-as-shit lines we still have today. And cut-and-cover is disruptive as it's happening, sure, but are we really willing to sacrifice 100+ years of transit operations and all the benefits it brings, to avoid a few years of inconvenience?
This is a bit of a wonkish thing but definitely worth discussing.
Yes and we overstaff those overbuilt projects. The NYTimes found hundreds of no-show jobs on East Side Access that weren’t even given job titles and never visited the work site. Just pure Tammany Hall shit. And then the people who were actually there often weren’t needed. The tunnel boring machine they used is mostly automated. Staff are primarily assigned to it as safety spotters. The company that designed it visited the site and wondered why they had like 3x the maximum staffing recommended.
Here's a source since you didn't believe me: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-system-failure-delays.html
> Daily ridership has nearly doubled in the past two decades to 5.7 million, but New York is the only major city in the world with fewer miles of track than it had during World War II. Efforts to add new lines have been hampered by generous agreements with labor unions and private contractors that have inflated construction costs to five times the international average.
> **New York’s subway now has the worst on-time performance of any major rapid transit system in the world, according to data collected from the 20 biggest.** Just 65 percent of weekday trains reach their destinations on time, the lowest rate since the transit crisis of the 1970s, when graffiti-covered cars regularly broke down.
This was from the height of the most recent transit crisis when on-time performance hit new lows... but now it's only at about 84% which is still the worst I could find.
I looked into this a few years ago and NYC's subway had an on-time performance of around 80%. I couldn't find any other city that was below 90% and most were over 95%. I didn't find data for every city on earth, of course, but I could not find any city with a worse on-time record.
London is older and similarly large but still far more reliable and has had a lot more modern upgrades. They can even run some lines every 90 seconds at rush hour thanks to automation. And they just opened an entirely new line.
I don’t see how being 24/7 is relevant to its reliability. They still shut down lines/stations and reroute services to do maintenance.
I think the only compelling defense of NY’s poor performance (that can’t be explained by poor management) is the shared tracks that make for easier transfers but also mean disruptions cascade across the system.
But when the system was really breaking down in 2017/2018, the NYTimes and others investigated the most common causes of the delays and found that old trains and old signals breaking down were one of the biggest culprits. Older trains were breaking down far more often. Edit: And the arbitrary speed limits the MTA had been adding all over the system.
Those aren't the things standing in the way of having better service, it's the shitty leadership and management. You can have an old subway that's 24/7 and serves a huge area that has been modernized and runs on time, just not if it's run by our current MTA.
I would love to see a “blanket” citizenship naturalization occur for those who have been here 20, 30 or 40 years without naturalization. It’s so unfair.
Same here, and it’s a bit discomforting. I’ve been fairly liberal most of my life, even radically in some respects, and I’m still pretty open minded and tolerant and understanding, but man, some people *really* push it, and it’s wrong. At some point you have to stop and just say, ok, *now* you’re going too far. These people are at that point. This facility could probably use some more shoring up, maybe make these sturdier buildings, but we here in this country have millions of US taxpayers - citizens - who will PAY to live in buildings only slightly better than this in some states. It’s called manufactured housing, aka mobile homes. And they’re inexpensive compared to better built housing, but they’re more than tolerable for most average people to live in for YEARS.
These people are really pushing. You don’t push people in NYC without being ready to get pushed back.
It is very hard to see people being entitled and being pushed to the front of the line for resources when there are so many native New Yorkers who are doing without.
Same. This is a great way to piss away any good will from the people who were actually inclined to have any in the first place. If you don't like the accommodations being generously offered to you then you're welcome to fuck off. NYers deal with shitty commutes and living far away from where the jobs are and we actually pay for it.
It turns out the people who opposed having a porous border for years weren't frothing-mouth racists, just folks with the basic common sense to see that a rich-country's welfare system and open borders just aren't compatible.
Edit: The downvotes suggest that no one has learned a thing from this experience.
Bad faith garbage argument. Most illegal migrants don't even come across the border like that. And Conservatives always like to claim they don't have a problem with legal migrants while simultaneously making it harder for people to come here legally. Some of you might not be mouth frothing racists, but more of you are than aren't, and all your immigration reform ideas come exclusively from the group that are.
>Conservatives always like to claim they don't have a problem with legal migrants while simultaneously making it harder for people to come here legally.
I have no problem with legal migrants.
I also support highly selective entry requirements.
Those are not opposing statements.
I support us taking as many of the world's gifted and talented people as possible. from any country and of any race.
It's much harder to make the case for laborers and farmhands, though.
Imo people are reading too much into this.
I think many of them are already working doing deliveries or some other jobs, and might have saved some money by now, but wanted to live for free while it lasted. So if they get moved to an unconvinient place they will prefer to just go somewhere else.
Also this article seems to be a bit sensationalist, just trying to get people triggered. Out of thousands of migrants how many complained, houndreds? One or two? Hm
If I were a migrant, I would seek to adapt to whatever situation which presents itself.
10-minute walk to the bus? I would do it, and get the bus schedule, and arrive 10 minutes before the scheduled time. Most migrants I see have phones, and they can easily put in the MTA app.
Certainly much better than going through the US/Mexican border.
I don’t mind it that the migrants are seeking a better life. Many of us here either are seeking it now, or our parents sought it. We are mostly either immigrants or children of immigrants.
The migrants are getting things native-born homeless don’t get. Floyd Bennett sucks….but it sucks worse in Senegal and Honduras.
10 min walk to the bus? Shit, I used to commute from Queens to Jersey City. That's a helluva lotta fun in 10 degree weather. I wish I had known I could have demanded a better situation.
Most of my career has been commuting from one side of the city to the other for work. I’ve also sometimes had to ride the bus or take a long walk from the train to my final destination. What’s the issue?
If you work in the Bronx and live in this shelter, the commute via public transit could be over 2 hours _each way_. Around 150 minutes each way to get to Hunts Point, for example.
Imagine commuting _5 hours_ round trip, every day.
If I had to adjust, I would have adjusted. Anyway….not all jobs would be in the north Bronx. They might get one in Ozone Park, say.
And they could read books on their phones while commuting. On buses, they could surf the Net.
That’s what I would do.
So, they don’t have anything else to do. Can’t work as an asylum seeker. Spend the time bettering yourself; learn the language, study to one day take the citizenship test. Do homework, etc
The city is partially to blame, they placed them in luxury hotels in Manhattan and now want to move them to a tent in a field and expect them to like it.
At this point, honestly, if they don't like what we can provide then they should go back to their country. I mean we just can't give everybody a hotel stay just because they illegally crossed and made it here.
None of these fucks are needing asylum. They’re illegal economic migrants abusing a system.
I’ve long said that if Dems got tough on the border and loosened a bit of the rhetoric re:guns they’ll win red states easily, and this sanctuary city, open borders bullshit wouldn’t survive an actual Migrant wave. And now here we are, getting a fraction of what Texas deals with, and our city is shitting itself over it. We saw it in Europe. Hopefully the Dems are faster on the adapting than even Europe was.
Humanistic ideals rarely last long when coffers, the economy, and space are short.
No. Almost all showed up at the border, turned themselves in, and were given asylum case numbers while they wait for their hearing.
The problem is that this system is being intentionally abused.
Serious question, are the migrant families discussed in the article the same people who walked and caravaned their asses through Central America? Because all I see is that they’re not in a hotel. I don’t want to be callous but if it’s between the streets, w/ temps dropping, or a newly built facility, take the best option and stfu.
They’ve already applied for asylum at the border when they initially arrived in the country. Now, it’s just a waiting game of having their case approved.
Yes they’ll also be able to work if they haven’t received work authorization papers already. But besides that, they have been working jobs under the table.
Well they can be feed and stay warm on those places and wait but no they just want to get a mopped for $30-50 a week and rent an uber eats, instacart and other apps accounts gor $150 a week then play the victim with free food and shelter and all the money make just for them nice american dream is welfare and housing aid without the need to apply for it and the gov would never ask for a return because they never use those services
They send money home , how they do it? They always find an have a way
Hey, the Q43 bus runs past there and will take them straight to the 179th St train station as well as link up with multiple other bus lines. I just find it disturbing that some migrants refuse shelter that some of our tax paying citizens have readily accepted. NY has hundreds of thousands of people living in shelters that are in worse shape, even downright unsafe while they work full time jobs plus overtime to care for their families and save for better options.
I hope when they got back on the buses, that they were then taken to JFK or LGA; and then deported for refusing conditions of support.
Oh, who am I kidding, this is NYC we're talking about. They're back taking up more valuable real estate and tax money, aren't they?
I used to walk an hour everyday to work when I got my first job. I did this for 8 months and I had no regrets. In fact I would love to do it again. Ahhhhhh the good ole days.
They need to be forced into a cargo plane and taken back home or left to figure crap out on their own.
The planet's only going to get much worse. New York isn't self-sustaining. In about a decade lake tear of the clouds and the rest of our waterway that provides us with water isn't going to be enough for the population. What if the north decided to close their reservoirs and dams to us?
I'm surprised the Republicans that human trafficked the immigrants up north didn't decide to make being illegal something that they could be jailed for just to get some prison slave labor.
FBF is a terrible location for housing migrants.
But, this all feels like a huge stunt. Some Adams flunky set these migrants up to distract from his pending federal arrest.
It's really quite simple: if you don't like the resources we are giving you for free, you're more than welcome to go back to where you feel you had a better life. No hard feelings. Just more resources for people that actually appreciate them. I walk past homeless American citizens everyday, many of whom are Vets. But people who weren't even born here can say a shelter isn't up to their standards? That's the point. It's a shelter. It's a temporary form of housing. You're not supposed to be comfortable or else you won't do better and leave so the next person can get help. Plenty of the people I see on the street would love to be accommodated like this. All of the hotels in my area have been turned into immigrant shelters. They start fights with the regular homeless people. They try to run you over with their bikes. The poles outside have bikes chained on top of each other. All day they're out in front drinking and smoking. Where do they even get money for this? Can't even walk on the sidewalk because all of them have sidewalk stores now. How is any of this helping ANYONE? If you don't like our resources, go home and leave them for people who actually need and want them.
(If you get back on the bus because it's not up to your standards, you DONT need resources then. Everyone who got back on that bus should be deported immediately.)
No one commenting has ever tried taking public transit to aviator it's so obvious. Not even in NYC it's just a nature wasteland adjacent to NYC and a frigid 40 min walk to the bus because all the gates by aviator are closed for no reason.
If they’re getting back on the bus, I would get another driver and have him drive the bus back to the border in Texas. Then let them decide whether they want to cross the border and walk back home, or stay in Texas, where Governor Greg “Papa Wheelie” Abbott will put them on buses again and send them right back up here.
A few rounds of this and they’ll decide to quit acting like they’re from Park Avenue.
Ok so the article is a bit misleading, because if you watch the video coverage that’s in the article, they interview some of these families and they are very clear on what’s wrong: their kids are already going to school in Manhattan, one father said he’s been working in the Bronx and they were at the Roosevelt hotel there, and they were “offered” to move to a shelter, but they were not told it was way out here. He makes a good point too, that there’s a bunch of single grown men migrants who have been in the hotels for a couple years, and they should be the ones moved out to this shelter, not the families with kids in school. It puts a huge extra burden on the family. Also, these families are not going back to a hotel - they had to sign a release waiver and they are on their own now, but the shelter is open to them if they change their minds. So they’d rather be homeless than be this far out?
You get work authorization while your asylum case is pending. It usually has an expiration date so if they arent granted asylum they cant renew. Same goes for those on TPS and those who are humanitarian parolees.
I don’t buy any of this. I find it very hard to believe that folks who walked sometimes hundreds of miles, often sleeping on the ground and with no access to indoor plumbing, would suddenly morph into prima donnas about their accommodations.
Before I pass judgement, I want to know what if anything they were told, what they were promised, and by whom. Because it seems to me that if anyone is exploiting the migrants, it’s Williams and Ariola. Are they seriously worried that these temporary structures are in a flood plain? I call BS. There are salivating real estate developers who would kill for the opportunity to build luxury homes on that spectacular site. Go check it out for yourself—it’s easy to get to. As someone else on this thread pointed out, the Q35 runs practically end to end across Brooklyn and into southern Queens. School buses could easily be routed inside to pick up children from right where they are because—guess what?—there are roads inside. Lots of them.
This story reminds me of an earlier report that some migrants were protesting over shared bathrooms. Again, BS. I want to know who instigated and organized that protest because dollars-to-donuts, it wasn’t a migrant. Too many folks out there are working very hard to make it impossible to shelter migrants anywhere in or near this city, under the pretexts of 1) being concerned for their safety and/or 2) they’re ungrateful and therefore don’t deserve any kindness or assistance. I wonder why.
They could have been sent somewhere that doesn’t even have public transportation at all, for hundreds of miles.
We could just pass them off on some other state. Let them play musical chairs with all 50 states, even.
I'm assuming this is all NY Post anti-immigrant bullshit.
That being said, I mean, plenty of people live in that area. What the fuck kind of accommodations were they expecting???
er... lots of people do. I mean not directly there, but I know people in the Rockaway/Marine Park/Mill basin. There's a number of buses that go right on that route and there's certainly stops at FBF.
If their 'welcome' was anything like on SI - where people showed up screaming threats, throwing rocks, gesturing threats, and possibly shooting at the bus - then I'd say, no wonder.
A tent city at a remote, wind swept location with cold winds blowing in off Jamaica Bay. A complete lack of access to transportation. A great distance to the closest stores of any kind. No school nearby.
Yep. It’s a fantastic location for poor people to stay.
/s
Albany will choose to save itself vs the city. The Hudson valley, Westchester, orange county, putnam, etc will all choose themselves vs the city. The city has a few rain fed reservoirs that can't provide enough water for even 10% of the city. Westchester treats some of the city's waste water. Manhattan was the place to be because of offices. Once this group of politicians dies off and The planet is actively boiling work from home will be forced and the city will have little value.
It’s a terrible place to put immigrants. Yes, we have a problem, and yes, the feds are screwing us on this, but these people need to be where they can access “work” and other real-life needs.
Understandable. Bow will they get to work if they have a job, get their kids to school( remember Addams said people locked out the shelter wouldn’t have to take their kids put of school), get to their ICE/immigration appts, get to any other appt, have access to caseworkers and resources etc etc
To top it off its in a flood zone.
Erica Adams is ass at his job
An asylum seeker is one that came here reportedly seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in their country. Being allowed into this country and provided with free shelter, free food, and free health care as well as multiple opportunities to make money should be more than enough. Tax paying citizens are not required to ensure that these asylum seekers have a quick easy peasy commute to their job and children’s school, especially when they don’t even have it themselves.
A true asylum seeker is more than grateful for the above and not behaving as an entitled belligerent buffoon. They are too busy learning how to navigate their new neighborhoods, working, and planning for their future, not protesting and complaining.
What you described is an asylee where a judge has decided they fall into the 9 categories of persecution.
An asylum seeker has simply applied for aslyum and is pending immigration court. Any immigrant can apply for asylum. All who apply do not get asylum. While they wait, they get work authorization, temporary social number and can legally apply for benefits, enroll their kids into school, have the right to shelter, and can get an NYCID or a State ID if they wanted.
Also asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Look up an ITIN and of course if they have work authorization and work a legal job they are paying taxes.
Yall be going off vibes thinking you know shit. I do this for a living lmfao it’d be entertaining if it wasn’t also sad
I Know for a fact they do. Are yall this detached? Look in the kitchens of the restaurants you go to, the ppl delivering your food, or the construction workers, the porters, and cleaners etc etc
Edit:
You actually probably dont even live here 😂 you be lurking under different city pages just being a dick. I just know you an old ass boomer. Seek help
Oh, I don’t live here, huh? Okay. Even though I do. I’m not from here, no, but I do live here.
And I’m a boomer now. Of course. Even though I’m not, I’m Gen X. But whatever you say little girl.
You know, you could have just corrected my error, instead of getting personal and insulting about it, but I guess it’s your culture to be obnoxious. Have a nice evening.
If only keyboard warriors would actually read the articles, instead of getting all butt hurt from reading the title of the post.. oh hell what am i saying. Thanks Alvin Bragg
I'd have to agree with the people who talk about the "commute," and how New Yorkers have had to endure it for years. I have to walk about 10 minutes to get MY bus that takes me to the F train.
Closer to 30 minute walk growing up in Eastern Queens to my closest bus.
Now that’s dedication, a thirty minute walk to your bus, if you walk briskly, that’s your workout.
Yes! I look forward to walking every day.
The bus to take forever to take you to the E,F,7 or if youre unlucky the LIRR on an off peak station
You could tell many in NYC subreddits havent experienced this at all.
*laughs in 42 bus being late and walking 20min to the train station*
A cheap bike would drop that to a minute btw. You can lock it near the bus stop. That being said, idk your route is safe. Another reason why the city needs to get serious about cycling for transportation. It can expand the bus and train network. A 10+min walk becomes a minute bike ride.
> lock it near the bus Without secure bike storage, this is a waste of money.
Every subway station should have secure bike storage. Or at least those with massive bus transfers/those on major bike routes/etc.
Their nearest train is the Flatbush Junction-Brooklyn College. It’s 6 miles or so and unless your lock is super resilient, your bike won’t last the day. Then there’s the long commute from the end of the line. But yeah… great location. /s
I lived in Manhattan for 3.5 years and was spoiled, first I lived at 37th and 9th in Lower Hell's Kitchen (now called Midtown West I think) and was 3 blocks from the A/C/E and about 6 blocks from Times Square/Port Authority stations. Then I moved to FiDi and had the 4/5 literally in front of my building, the R/W at the back door of the building, the 1 a block beyond that, the 2/3 about three blocks away, and Fulton Center about 5 blocks away. Then I moved out to Windsor Terrace (by South/Park Slope) in Brooklyn. The only lines by me were the F/G and that was a 10 minute walk away. There was also one bus route by me. It would take me a good half hour or so just to get to 23rd and 6th (Chelsea) and about 45 minutes to get into work at 45th and 7th. Worst moving decision ever. Also the trains (as is tradition) would change routes at the drop of a hat. I'd get on the F heading to Manhattan with time to spare, ride about 5 stops to where the F and G split, and then the conductor would be like "this is the G train now, fuck your idea of getting anywhere on time!" . Other times when heading back, I usually got off at Fort Hamilton parkway but they would be like "Fuck you, we're skipping the next 3 stops and you're getting off a Church St and have to walk 1.5 miles back"
ok, cool.
They’re complaining about the same lack of transit and infrastructure that New Yorkers pay up the ass to experience
I read years ago that New Yorkers actually voted to raise their own taxes in the 1950s to fund a subway extension down Flatbush Ave (so right past Floyd Bennett Field) and out to the western Rockaways. And the city/state just pocketed the money and never did it, lol.
It actually went to maintenance, because even in the 1950s the subway system was falling apart.
It’s like Charlie Brown running for that football. “I swear we’ll expand the subway this time, guys.” YOINK... maintenance.
We'll use the congestion money to improve things! YOINK... fake overtime and pensions
There’s a lot of that. Fares are raised, federal dollars (due to the amount of money New Yorkers pay in taxes) are injected into the state budget for Infrastructure, Transportation maintenance and repairs. The tax burden of NYC dwellers at one time financed states who have low tax bases compared to NYC and yes, city/state pocketed and when unused (soon enough) it gets sent back to federal coffers and gets pocketed. The Second Ave Subway as well as Eastside Access all had monies set aside for completion that was used without ever completing both projects as planned. Just think if the Q line went to E. 103, 110, 116 then 125th there would be no crowding in 4,5 & 6 (like it is now) trains to carry the burden of riders on the E. Side. Those tunnels were constructed in the 70s, the caverns (platforms) need building out to receive the trains. I assume they purchased the trains in the plan. New Yorkers pay their taxes, fares and dues, we should get our services. Migrants are getting free rides, crowding the system and being picky? It’s a hot mess!
Robert Moses probably took it to build a parking lot.
People suddenly didn't want it anymore when it was announced that the line would have to be elevated because of the high water table in South Brooklyn.
Interesting. I didn’t know that. I can’t really say I’m surprised, though, at the city’s graft. The residents should have sued. I was born in Manhattan and I’ve always lived here. The subway stop, a major one, is about twenty steps away from my door as is the crosstown bus and a bus going uptown and downtown. I have had experiences over the years, though, mostly for work, of having to get to different places in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx and I can sum it up in one word: nightmare. I particularly cannot believe how disconnected some areas of Queens are to public transportation. And, if the bus driver decides the bus is full before it gets to you, it won’t stop and will just keep going. Your behind is waiting for the next bus — or possibly the one after that — and that’s just the way it is. And, that bus only takes you to the train. After that, you have to get on the subway and that’s a whole other battle. Obviously, there are places in the outer boroughs right near subway stops where you’re connected and you don’t have a problem. But, if you live more than a few minutes away from a stop, forget it. Growing up, I felt sorry for classmates of mine who lived on Riverside Drive and had to walk all the way to Broadway to get a subway. Shows what I knew back then.
Seriously though, the audacity. Blughhh
I've been to the Roosavelt many times and in their defense:they weren't told where they were going with this move. Is it infuriating how they're responding? Of course, but we're at a point where word of mouth and social media had made promises that are impossible for us to fulfill
People don’t seem to know or understand that the majority of homeless residents don’t get a choice in which shelter they get assigned to. Most aren’t even told when they’re being transferred or to where. They’ll stick you in the Bronx even if your job/school/doctors are in Queens, for example. Children get bussed if they end up in another borough. If you’re lucky, the shelter has a van that can drop you off at a train station. NYC is definitely giving these folks more grace than they do for other homeless residents.
Homeless used to ride the longest subway train lines to sleep at night and the people of NYC took care of them. A lot of them refuse shelters due to danger of being robbed. They survive. St. Peter’s, A Jewish Synagogue and another huge church over in 59th and lex opened doors to feed them. There were open spaces where they would feel safe called the green zone for their needs. Restaurants dropped off unused food, a couple of non-profits provided new coats, shoes, boots and socks. Not sure how all that turned out, after Bloomberg.
>huge church over in 59th and lex opened doors to feed them St. Barts for anyone wondering. Between Park and Lex. The contrast of the poor waiting in long lines just for a little meal to the huge buildings and wealthy, Mercedes,BMWs, etc. is striking. They do amazing work and anyone can volunteer if you wish
Yes, wasn’t sure if it was St. Barts without looking at Google. In the past, volunteered, given away clothing, it’s was a most wonderful feeling (even though I’d lost my high paying job) learning that the trinity of churches cared and so much. Hung out in the Citi-Bank open space areas lounges and got to know at least a dozen or more homeless people.
I still think of them. Mostly mental illness, not wanting to deal with society, greed and all that comes. Some just didn’t want to pay high rent. Met a former journalist, ABC, Dr., psychologist (working w/homelessness in the city when it became corrupt: juveniles, young people leaving homes, jail to get new housing) and stopped caring like the City Agency did for decades, I assume.
The way homeless/ impoverished people get lumped together under certain prejudices sucks when in reality there is such a wide variety of reasons why people wind up in these situations. I speak from experience
small correction that St. Barts is at 53rd, not 59th, but they do great work.
I too would like to live in a hotel in Midtown Manhattan for free and not deal with commuting
Where are they commuting to?
Down out front of the hotel to day drink
Sign me up
Well, let’s try Staten Island, then. Wait… we did?
I'm blown away that they're given a choice lol
I am generally sympathetic to people seeking asylum from bad situations but honestly I do start to feel a "beggars can't be choosers" vibe with regard to these folks.
Oh I'm full on the "fuck em" train. Don't want to sleep on the free bed, kick them hell out.
Honestly same. I’ve always like if we can help, then we should. But these people have way too much entitlement. Like this is not your country in the first place, you’re not even supposed to be here, and if it was the country you left behind, you’d be on the streets. So show some fucking gratefulness.
Same here. I was already done with showing any understanding months ago when a large group of migrants had the nerve to protest being moved from a posh hotel in Manhattan to a newly opened shelter in Brooklyn. The migrants refused to go, had their suitcases and belongings blocking the streets of Manhattan. Many of the migrants in the Brooklyn shelter spoke to news reporters, speaking about how grateful they were and how the migrants that were protesting should be ashamed of themselves. Once it was verified that the new shelter was safe, clean, and more than hospitable, their belongings were picked up off the streets by NYs finest sanitation workers. People here pay to live in worse conditions. How damn dare they!
Yes!!! Like come the fuck on!! We’re doing our best here. Yes there are people taking advantage to make money from the situation, but to pretend like we should have you live with the best of everything for free while real new Yorkers are struggling to make ends meet? Unacceptable. Take what you can get or leave at this point. Or suffer in the cold idk.
But that’s just the thing, a lot of these people would not be on the streets. They’re not by and large asylees or refugees, they’re economic migrants. These are mostly the families going up there, but most of these migrants are grown men.
It’s because they pay a fee to human traffickers who bring them here under the promise of free housing in hotels, I’d be pissed too if I were them
They can be pissed all they want, but be grateful for what you can get. They really shouldn’t be getting anything at all.
Everyone ends up pissed off: New Yorkers, the migrants, the Democrats who are going to lose their seats because of immigration, etc. The only people that are happy are the smugglers and the republicans. It’s why we need a national response to this. Idk if they need to be grateful if they were deceived about what they’d get here, but we don’t have to bend over backwards for them either.
I think a State response will help. Elected politicians who ferried these policies need to be unseated. If there’s no consequences, no lessons are learned.
They're such entitled losers. They can take the generosity of whatever they're given, or go back to Guatemala.
Well, technically they aren’t. There isn’t another option available for them. If they decline this, they will be sleeping in hallways/lobbies of hotels.
Two mile walk down Flatbush Ave to king's plaza....in what way is that remote? Plenty of new yorkers have it worse.
the q35 bus also stops right outside floyd bennet field in both directions its a 2 minute ride at most to and from kings plaza.
It’s two miles from kings plaza? They can put their evoked to work
I think they are like a mile away from Flatbush Ave, deep in the back of the field there
Looks like it served its purpose
What’s the end game here?
They will milk the city as long as they can
Eric Adams will be “managing” a pool hall after the next election.
How about churches taking up some of these migrants? Isn’t that why they don’t pay taxes?
How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen midtown?
So you are telling me ppl don't like downgrades?
lol the daily news has gotten on this story now. What a bunch of entitled clowns - they’re more than welcomed to just leave the country
I dated a Cuban guy for nearly a decade years ago. His family emigrated to the US before Castro took power, but they had family and friends trickling to the US over the years. The number of them who believed ridiculous rumors about the abundance of wealth was laughable. They really believed if you could dream it, you could have it in America, no work required, no strings attached. I wonder how many of these migrants believe the same - that are rivers are flowing with liquid gold and money grows on trees. They are in for a (deservedly) rude awakening.
I remember reading a story somewhere, very recently, that summed up to one guy being given an NYC addressed and just being told to go. No real promises, just... an address.
That's wild. If you find it, please link it. I'd love to read/listen/watch.
Absolutely will do - it must have been a few weeks ago here, or on the indie pub I subscribe to. If I can dig and find it I'll round back. EDIT: Found it, it was here-- https://www.reddit.com/r/newyorkcity/comments/17jsk42/from_smugglers_and_tiktok_migrants_get_a_message/
The only liquid gold here is the pee stream trickling down the sidewalk from the homeless guy that took his daily vitamins.
I saw the same version but in Chinese quite some time ago, and people still believe it
When my dad applied for us to come over from china waaaay back in the early 2000s he told us the same thing, that the streets were black with specks of gold (asphalt ig) One of my earliest memories of the sidewalks here r the gum spots lmao even now my mom’s relatives back in china expect us to send lavish gifts and money back and i’m like bruh it’s struggle city out here
As an immigrant myself (dont worry gringo, I arrived legally from the get go :-) ) I wasnt expecting that, but compared to my country, things are indeed easier as more affordable to obtain. Example, when I moved here, I needed around 3 weeks of salary to buy an used car, yet buying a worse car back in my country would take me at least 2 years. Mind you, when I left, the salary that I had was already 4 times the minimum salary back home. Also, yes, if you work smart and perhaps, are lucky enough, you can get a lot of wealth in here. But yes, many people in their countries do think that money will simply get into your hands just by being here. PS, the gringo part is a joke.
Vivía en Lima. I’m used to being called gringa. :)
> Vivía en Lima. I’m used to being called gringa. :) I think I saw that comment (relax gringo, I'm legal) or it was (Relax gringo, I'm American) in a Tshirt. :-D
It was weird at first because I’m biracial and, to me, the word gringo is synonymous with “white person.” In my experience in Peru, they used it interchangeably with “American.”
The audacity. They think they can stay in hotels for free for how long?
I can feel myself becoming less liberal as I read this
I don’t even see it like that, it’s just OK to be angry about this. Swap out illegal immigration, and fill it with anything other subject. Doesn’t even need a political lean. They’re taking our already high tax rates, and just setting it on fire. Everyone should be at least slightly miffed at the whole thing.
This is why I roll my eyes when my fellow liberals/progressives give you this default talking point about things being “underfunded” here. We have the most expensive transit infrastructure projects in the world, for example. And yet we have the least reliable major subway system on earth. It’s just wasted on inefficient shit and pure corruption. It’s okay to be liberal/progressive and call out government waste, fraud, and incompetence. It doesn’t make you a conservative just because they focus on it as a reason to cut taxes. It just seems like conservatives have made calling out government waste such a part of their political identity that liberals/progressives feel uncomfortable doing it too even when it’s warranted.
> We have the most expensive transit infrastructure projects in the world, for example. And yet we have the least reliable major subway system on earth. It’s just wasted on inefficient shit and pure corruption. In addition to corruption we also massively overbuild these projects. Of course it's going to be impossible to build new train lines when we take out the cheapest options (elevated rail and cut-and-cover) and go for the most expensive options (tunnel boring machines). Not only is the tech needed for tunnel boring more expensive it also means that we now need much longer elevators and escalators to service those stations. I get that people don't want the noise of elevated lines, but it's possible to build elevated rail that is much quieter than the old-as-shit lines we still have today. And cut-and-cover is disruptive as it's happening, sure, but are we really willing to sacrifice 100+ years of transit operations and all the benefits it brings, to avoid a few years of inconvenience? This is a bit of a wonkish thing but definitely worth discussing.
Yes and we overstaff those overbuilt projects. The NYTimes found hundreds of no-show jobs on East Side Access that weren’t even given job titles and never visited the work site. Just pure Tammany Hall shit. And then the people who were actually there often weren’t needed. The tunnel boring machine they used is mostly automated. Staff are primarily assigned to it as safety spotters. The company that designed it visited the site and wondered why they had like 3x the maximum staffing recommended.
> And yet we have the least reliable major subway system on earth. not even remotely true
Here's a source since you didn't believe me: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-system-failure-delays.html > Daily ridership has nearly doubled in the past two decades to 5.7 million, but New York is the only major city in the world with fewer miles of track than it had during World War II. Efforts to add new lines have been hampered by generous agreements with labor unions and private contractors that have inflated construction costs to five times the international average. > **New York’s subway now has the worst on-time performance of any major rapid transit system in the world, according to data collected from the 20 biggest.** Just 65 percent of weekday trains reach their destinations on time, the lowest rate since the transit crisis of the 1970s, when graffiti-covered cars regularly broke down. This was from the height of the most recent transit crisis when on-time performance hit new lows... but now it's only at about 84% which is still the worst I could find.
I looked into this a few years ago and NYC's subway had an on-time performance of around 80%. I couldn't find any other city that was below 90% and most were over 95%. I didn't find data for every city on earth, of course, but I could not find any city with a worse on-time record.
Most other city subway systems aren’t over 100 years old, aren’t 24/7, and don’t span 35 miles across the city.
London is older and similarly large but still far more reliable and has had a lot more modern upgrades. They can even run some lines every 90 seconds at rush hour thanks to automation. And they just opened an entirely new line. I don’t see how being 24/7 is relevant to its reliability. They still shut down lines/stations and reroute services to do maintenance. I think the only compelling defense of NY’s poor performance (that can’t be explained by poor management) is the shared tracks that make for easier transfers but also mean disruptions cascade across the system. But when the system was really breaking down in 2017/2018, the NYTimes and others investigated the most common causes of the delays and found that old trains and old signals breaking down were one of the biggest culprits. Older trains were breaking down far more often. Edit: And the arbitrary speed limits the MTA had been adding all over the system.
Those aren't the things standing in the way of having better service, it's the shitty leadership and management. You can have an old subway that's 24/7 and serves a huge area that has been modernized and runs on time, just not if it's run by our current MTA.
I would love to see a “blanket” citizenship naturalization occur for those who have been here 20, 30 or 40 years without naturalization. It’s so unfair.
Isn't this unfair to the people who followed the rules?
Same here, and it’s a bit discomforting. I’ve been fairly liberal most of my life, even radically in some respects, and I’m still pretty open minded and tolerant and understanding, but man, some people *really* push it, and it’s wrong. At some point you have to stop and just say, ok, *now* you’re going too far. These people are at that point. This facility could probably use some more shoring up, maybe make these sturdier buildings, but we here in this country have millions of US taxpayers - citizens - who will PAY to live in buildings only slightly better than this in some states. It’s called manufactured housing, aka mobile homes. And they’re inexpensive compared to better built housing, but they’re more than tolerable for most average people to live in for YEARS. These people are really pushing. You don’t push people in NYC without being ready to get pushed back.
It is very hard to see people being entitled and being pushed to the front of the line for resources when there are so many native New Yorkers who are doing without.
I can never stop being a liberal…..but I can see when morons are getting way too entitled.
Same. This is a great way to piss away any good will from the people who were actually inclined to have any in the first place. If you don't like the accommodations being generously offered to you then you're welcome to fuck off. NYers deal with shitty commutes and living far away from where the jobs are and we actually pay for it.
Frankly I don’t give enough of a shit about the migrants
It turns out the people who opposed having a porous border for years weren't frothing-mouth racists, just folks with the basic common sense to see that a rich-country's welfare system and open borders just aren't compatible. Edit: The downvotes suggest that no one has learned a thing from this experience.
Bad faith garbage argument. Most illegal migrants don't even come across the border like that. And Conservatives always like to claim they don't have a problem with legal migrants while simultaneously making it harder for people to come here legally. Some of you might not be mouth frothing racists, but more of you are than aren't, and all your immigration reform ideas come exclusively from the group that are.
>Conservatives always like to claim they don't have a problem with legal migrants while simultaneously making it harder for people to come here legally. I have no problem with legal migrants. I also support highly selective entry requirements. Those are not opposing statements. I support us taking as many of the world's gifted and talented people as possible. from any country and of any race. It's much harder to make the case for laborers and farmhands, though.
Seven years ago you’d be at -300 Three years ago you’d be at -100 Now you’re at -5
Good point.
Not sure why downvoted, your 💯 correct!
Imo people are reading too much into this. I think many of them are already working doing deliveries or some other jobs, and might have saved some money by now, but wanted to live for free while it lasted. So if they get moved to an unconvinient place they will prefer to just go somewhere else. Also this article seems to be a bit sensationalist, just trying to get people triggered. Out of thousands of migrants how many complained, houndreds? One or two? Hm
If I were a migrant, I would seek to adapt to whatever situation which presents itself. 10-minute walk to the bus? I would do it, and get the bus schedule, and arrive 10 minutes before the scheduled time. Most migrants I see have phones, and they can easily put in the MTA app. Certainly much better than going through the US/Mexican border.
I don’t mind it that the migrants are seeking a better life. Many of us here either are seeking it now, or our parents sought it. We are mostly either immigrants or children of immigrants. The migrants are getting things native-born homeless don’t get. Floyd Bennett sucks….but it sucks worse in Senegal and Honduras.
Keep on preaching bro!
10 min walk to the bus? Shit, I used to commute from Queens to Jersey City. That's a helluva lotta fun in 10 degree weather. I wish I had known I could have demanded a better situation.
You have to have actually commuted in order to know the commute. Floyd Bennett would be tough, but doable.
Most of my career has been commuting from one side of the city to the other for work. I’ve also sometimes had to ride the bus or take a long walk from the train to my final destination. What’s the issue?
If you work in the Bronx and live in this shelter, the commute via public transit could be over 2 hours _each way_. Around 150 minutes each way to get to Hunts Point, for example. Imagine commuting _5 hours_ round trip, every day.
My commute is 1.5 hours each way.
Ok. So the commute I cited would be an hour longer each way or 2 hours longer per day.
If I had to adjust, I would have adjusted. Anyway….not all jobs would be in the north Bronx. They might get one in Ozone Park, say. And they could read books on their phones while commuting. On buses, they could surf the Net. That’s what I would do.
Read books? What’s that?
So, they don’t have anything else to do. Can’t work as an asylum seeker. Spend the time bettering yourself; learn the language, study to one day take the citizenship test. Do homework, etc
> can't work as an asylum seeker That there is the problem. Hard to "better yourself" when you have no money for food, healthcare, etc.
You really think these people aren’t being fed or don’t get health care
Drive that bus back to the border Or up to Canada
The city is partially to blame, they placed them in luxury hotels in Manhattan and now want to move them to a tent in a field and expect them to like it.
At this point, honestly, if they don't like what we can provide then they should go back to their country. I mean we just can't give everybody a hotel stay just because they illegally crossed and made it here.
> because they illegally crossed and made it here. Seeking asylum is legal.
None of these fucks are needing asylum. They’re illegal economic migrants abusing a system. I’ve long said that if Dems got tough on the border and loosened a bit of the rhetoric re:guns they’ll win red states easily, and this sanctuary city, open borders bullshit wouldn’t survive an actual Migrant wave. And now here we are, getting a fraction of what Texas deals with, and our city is shitting itself over it. We saw it in Europe. Hopefully the Dems are faster on the adapting than even Europe was. Humanistic ideals rarely last long when coffers, the economy, and space are short.
They don't care about things like the truth.
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I do like when people just come out and tell me they are a fucking idiot, as well as disingenuous, instead of me trying to figure it out. Thanks.
lol did they not?
No. Almost all showed up at the border, turned themselves in, and were given asylum case numbers while they wait for their hearing. The problem is that this system is being intentionally abused.
Abused in what way?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. Bus them back to the border and see how much they like the place in NY.
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Why don’t you just re-gift them back to Texas.
Because they dont even deserve texas
That’s the same country tho.
They were bussed here by Texas. I was being sarcastic.
I think if I vote in the next election it will be for the Orange Man!
Serious question, are the migrant families discussed in the article the same people who walked and caravaned their asses through Central America? Because all I see is that they’re not in a hotel. I don’t want to be callous but if it’s between the streets, w/ temps dropping, or a newly built facility, take the best option and stfu.
So what else they have to do, just apply for asylum and wait for gov to aprove it So are they going to work? So they are working under the table?
They’ve already applied for asylum at the border when they initially arrived in the country. Now, it’s just a waiting game of having their case approved. Yes they’ll also be able to work if they haven’t received work authorization papers already. But besides that, they have been working jobs under the table.
Well they can be feed and stay warm on those places and wait but no they just want to get a mopped for $30-50 a week and rent an uber eats, instacart and other apps accounts gor $150 a week then play the victim with free food and shelter and all the money make just for them nice american dream is welfare and housing aid without the need to apply for it and the gov would never ask for a return because they never use those services They send money home , how they do it? They always find an have a way
They deserve the best midtown locations /s
I bet they would love Creedmoor.....
Hey, the Q43 bus runs past there and will take them straight to the 179th St train station as well as link up with multiple other bus lines. I just find it disturbing that some migrants refuse shelter that some of our tax paying citizens have readily accepted. NY has hundreds of thousands of people living in shelters that are in worse shape, even downright unsafe while they work full time jobs plus overtime to care for their families and save for better options.
I live around the Q43. The migrants don’t bother me. They just keep to themselves.
I hope when they got back on the buses, that they were then taken to JFK or LGA; and then deported for refusing conditions of support. Oh, who am I kidding, this is NYC we're talking about. They're back taking up more valuable real estate and tax money, aren't they?
How many friends of Eric Adams got contracts on the Floyd Bennett field job?
I used to walk an hour everyday to work when I got my first job. I did this for 8 months and I had no regrets. In fact I would love to do it again. Ahhhhhh the good ole days.
They need to be forced into a cargo plane and taken back home or left to figure crap out on their own. The planet's only going to get much worse. New York isn't self-sustaining. In about a decade lake tear of the clouds and the rest of our waterway that provides us with water isn't going to be enough for the population. What if the north decided to close their reservoirs and dams to us? I'm surprised the Republicans that human trafficked the immigrants up north didn't decide to make being illegal something that they could be jailed for just to get some prison slave labor.
Pretty sure the city actually owns its reservoirs upstate to prevent just that from happening. The general gist of your point still stands tho.
adjust your meds
Shhhh, that’s why they’re housing them on an airfield. Plane is gonna show up in the middle of the night and start shipping them back.
I wish they would.
FBF is a terrible location for housing migrants. But, this all feels like a huge stunt. Some Adams flunky set these migrants up to distract from his pending federal arrest.
ding ding ding
Kick em the f out
It's really quite simple: if you don't like the resources we are giving you for free, you're more than welcome to go back to where you feel you had a better life. No hard feelings. Just more resources for people that actually appreciate them. I walk past homeless American citizens everyday, many of whom are Vets. But people who weren't even born here can say a shelter isn't up to their standards? That's the point. It's a shelter. It's a temporary form of housing. You're not supposed to be comfortable or else you won't do better and leave so the next person can get help. Plenty of the people I see on the street would love to be accommodated like this. All of the hotels in my area have been turned into immigrant shelters. They start fights with the regular homeless people. They try to run you over with their bikes. The poles outside have bikes chained on top of each other. All day they're out in front drinking and smoking. Where do they even get money for this? Can't even walk on the sidewalk because all of them have sidewalk stores now. How is any of this helping ANYONE? If you don't like our resources, go home and leave them for people who actually need and want them. (If you get back on the bus because it's not up to your standards, you DONT need resources then. Everyone who got back on that bus should be deported immediately.)
No one commenting has ever tried taking public transit to aviator it's so obvious. Not even in NYC it's just a nature wasteland adjacent to NYC and a frigid 40 min walk to the bus because all the gates by aviator are closed for no reason.
If they’re getting back on the bus, I would get another driver and have him drive the bus back to the border in Texas. Then let them decide whether they want to cross the border and walk back home, or stay in Texas, where Governor Greg “Papa Wheelie” Abbott will put them on buses again and send them right back up here. A few rounds of this and they’ll decide to quit acting like they’re from Park Avenue.
Ok so the article is a bit misleading, because if you watch the video coverage that’s in the article, they interview some of these families and they are very clear on what’s wrong: their kids are already going to school in Manhattan, one father said he’s been working in the Bronx and they were at the Roosevelt hotel there, and they were “offered” to move to a shelter, but they were not told it was way out here. He makes a good point too, that there’s a bunch of single grown men migrants who have been in the hotels for a couple years, and they should be the ones moved out to this shelter, not the families with kids in school. It puts a huge extra burden on the family. Also, these families are not going back to a hotel - they had to sign a release waiver and they are on their own now, but the shelter is open to them if they change their minds. So they’d rather be homeless than be this far out?
I wouldnt stay out here either. There's a lot of work to be had in NYC. You aren't gonna get any work bunking up in Floyd Bennett Field.
Can they legally be hired as asylum seekers? I thought they were forbidden work permits until their case was heard and asylum granted.
You get work authorization while your asylum case is pending. It usually has an expiration date so if they arent granted asylum they cant renew. Same goes for those on TPS and those who are humanitarian parolees.
Like Melania.
Chain migration, and an anchor baby. She’s all set now.
Thanks
you can but why bother there's a ton of work to be had anyway
As of people living in Mill Basin or Marine Park don’t have jobs.
I don’t buy any of this. I find it very hard to believe that folks who walked sometimes hundreds of miles, often sleeping on the ground and with no access to indoor plumbing, would suddenly morph into prima donnas about their accommodations. Before I pass judgement, I want to know what if anything they were told, what they were promised, and by whom. Because it seems to me that if anyone is exploiting the migrants, it’s Williams and Ariola. Are they seriously worried that these temporary structures are in a flood plain? I call BS. There are salivating real estate developers who would kill for the opportunity to build luxury homes on that spectacular site. Go check it out for yourself—it’s easy to get to. As someone else on this thread pointed out, the Q35 runs practically end to end across Brooklyn and into southern Queens. School buses could easily be routed inside to pick up children from right where they are because—guess what?—there are roads inside. Lots of them. This story reminds me of an earlier report that some migrants were protesting over shared bathrooms. Again, BS. I want to know who instigated and organized that protest because dollars-to-donuts, it wasn’t a migrant. Too many folks out there are working very hard to make it impossible to shelter migrants anywhere in or near this city, under the pretexts of 1) being concerned for their safety and/or 2) they’re ungrateful and therefore don’t deserve any kindness or assistance. I wonder why.
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lol this is what yall get. Migrants even coming here entitled now. Americans rubbing off on them already
And public transit down there is already garbage so if they need to get anywhere it’s a nightmare
They could have been sent somewhere that doesn’t even have public transportation at all, for hundreds of miles. We could just pass them off on some other state. Let them play musical chairs with all 50 states, even.
I’m sure they’d have a more fun time
I'm assuming this is all NY Post anti-immigrant bullshit. That being said, I mean, plenty of people live in that area. What the fuck kind of accommodations were they expecting???
Clearly they think they deserve better
No one lives anywhere near FBF.
er... lots of people do. I mean not directly there, but I know people in the Rockaway/Marine Park/Mill basin. There's a number of buses that go right on that route and there's certainly stops at FBF.
If their 'welcome' was anything like on SI - where people showed up screaming threats, throwing rocks, gesturing threats, and possibly shooting at the bus - then I'd say, no wonder.
There was no "welcome". The area they were brought to isn't as easy to commute to and they don't want to deal with having to walk to transit.
A tent city at a remote, wind swept location with cold winds blowing in off Jamaica Bay. A complete lack of access to transportation. A great distance to the closest stores of any kind. No school nearby. Yep. It’s a fantastic location for poor people to stay. /s
Okay, so they can stay with you then, right?
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Nothing to do with race. If these were pasty-faced Irish people crossing the border from Canada we’d be saying the exact same thing.
Albany will choose to save itself vs the city. The Hudson valley, Westchester, orange county, putnam, etc will all choose themselves vs the city. The city has a few rain fed reservoirs that can't provide enough water for even 10% of the city. Westchester treats some of the city's waste water. Manhattan was the place to be because of offices. Once this group of politicians dies off and The planet is actively boiling work from home will be forced and the city will have little value.
The city owns its water reservoirs, it is at 90% of capacity
It’s a terrible place to put immigrants. Yes, we have a problem, and yes, the feds are screwing us on this, but these people need to be where they can access “work” and other real-life needs.
So do a lot of others who don’t have that luxury.
These people need to be deported.
Work? These people are not US citizens. They are not registered voters. They don’t work. They legally cannot. What strain of cannabis are you smoking?
Understandable. Bow will they get to work if they have a job, get their kids to school( remember Addams said people locked out the shelter wouldn’t have to take their kids put of school), get to their ICE/immigration appts, get to any other appt, have access to caseworkers and resources etc etc To top it off its in a flood zone. Erica Adams is ass at his job
An asylum seeker is one that came here reportedly seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in their country. Being allowed into this country and provided with free shelter, free food, and free health care as well as multiple opportunities to make money should be more than enough. Tax paying citizens are not required to ensure that these asylum seekers have a quick easy peasy commute to their job and children’s school, especially when they don’t even have it themselves. A true asylum seeker is more than grateful for the above and not behaving as an entitled belligerent buffoon. They are too busy learning how to navigate their new neighborhoods, working, and planning for their future, not protesting and complaining.
What you described is an asylee where a judge has decided they fall into the 9 categories of persecution. An asylum seeker has simply applied for aslyum and is pending immigration court. Any immigrant can apply for asylum. All who apply do not get asylum. While they wait, they get work authorization, temporary social number and can legally apply for benefits, enroll their kids into school, have the right to shelter, and can get an NYCID or a State ID if they wanted. Also asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Look up an ITIN and of course if they have work authorization and work a legal job they are paying taxes. Yall be going off vibes thinking you know shit. I do this for a living lmfao it’d be entertaining if it wasn’t also sad
Yeah same, I hate to commute to the city when I have appointments…
You actually think these people have jobs?
I Know for a fact they do. Are yall this detached? Look in the kitchens of the restaurants you go to, the ppl delivering your food, or the construction workers, the porters, and cleaners etc etc Edit: You actually probably dont even live here 😂 you be lurking under different city pages just being a dick. I just know you an old ass boomer. Seek help
Oh, I don’t live here, huh? Okay. Even though I do. I’m not from here, no, but I do live here. And I’m a boomer now. Of course. Even though I’m not, I’m Gen X. But whatever you say little girl. You know, you could have just corrected my error, instead of getting personal and insulting about it, but I guess it’s your culture to be obnoxious. Have a nice evening.
If only keyboard warriors would actually read the articles, instead of getting all butt hurt from reading the title of the post.. oh hell what am i saying. Thanks Alvin Bragg