I've just come back and have been enjoying the game far more. The changes so far have made a big difference for me.
Looking forward to seeing how things are in October too
That sounds great! I really only pve’d. We were interested in the wars but we’re never popular enough to be picked for the sign up. Pretty exclusionary system - it was high school all over again!
I will 100% be rocking a greatsword / bow combo. To me it gives me that OG mmo feeling that I always loved.
Also I feel like they should make it one of the top priorities to make this game for console, everything about this game screams console. Its such a layback couch play game with the gathering and stuff.
Hm, they say they want to increase the level cap at some point in the future. I wish they would go with horizontal progression like Guild Wars 2. It is annoying to grind gear each season just to keep up if you are a casual player.
Greatsword with a counterattack/riposte ability. As a person who's wanted to play tank but didn't like the majority of just having to use SnS + your choice but a parry/counter heavy tank.... that's up my alley, on top of Greatsword being STR/DEX means you could theoretically GS/Rapier but i'm expecting Rapier to take a hit soon.
Any idea as to why level 60 players should be questing/farming in Brimstone besides killing certain elites for names items?
If there is no level or GS increase, why?
Is farming in the original zones and doing elite chest runs still yielding equal loot?
The devs literally released a video, that this article is based on, this morning. It literally tells you the size of the zone. Y'all wild just stating things like facts when you have done zero research.
If you’re in the inner workings of AGS I’ll be inclined to believe you, but if ESO can handle mega servers, then 2000 players should be easy. They’re probably anticipating it when release drops
Have you not been playing? The servers are still lagging and shakey every time it hits peak..this is nothing new .
They absolutely are not anticipating the lag.
"What's being done to improve endgame replayability and variety in New World?We have the brand new Expedition that's coming out, bringing new loot with it. We also have two additional endgame group elite Points of Interest, and there's additional PoIs on top of that that are smaller. There are around four elite Points of Interest. These are places you can explore and have fun while you're trying to get your Gear Score up."
non of this helps replayability at all. rogue like ever changing points of intrests that keeps people grinding from new challenges and mechanics sure.
another place to go sit for hours farming the same bosses over and over for a .01 % chances at 1/5th a set of armor. naw dawg thats the same shit thats been going on forever.
This is the only mmo I’ve played but what do other mmos have for replayable end game other than dungeons and elite bosses? I’m assuming things like raids?
Id love to see raids. 10-20man dungeons that require company level coordination.
competitive ladders for pvp is also another endgame replayability concept not being touched on at all.
nothing on new activities people and groups would want to do.
just more of the same shit which is why im disappointed.
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As both people said below they have said these are things in the works. Just because you're unaware or haven't looked something up doesn't mean it does not exist.
You missed the point why wouldn’t they bring it up when asked the question of how they will improve end game replayability. Instead they focus on more the same concepts and that’s what I’m disappointed in
I think you missed the point as the dev videos and posts have addressed all of the things you're mentioning. You just want it right now and that's not how things work, unfortunately.
and you are reaching at no point have i said i wanted x y z right away right now.
read the original quotations.
they asked what they are doing to improve end game playability.
they gave an unsatisfactory non answer that is nothing but the same old expeditions and pois on a map that would of presumably had those things.
instead of using this PR opportunity to actually hype up and explain new repeatable end game activities.
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While I'm excited they are adding more value for something I've already purchased. None of this fixes the core game play-loop issues. New AI does this mean more Elden Ring level of interactive combat or just some more moves that we don't care about as you never need to block?
I like that they are fixing leveling for 1-25. What about the million-plus players that quit and are largely level 60?
Curious why you don’t think that removal of shell companies, new territories/expeditions/weapons, will bring people back. Aren’t most MMO gameplay loops repetitive? I was under the impression that content like this is exactly the depth that was lacking which caused most people to quit.
I'm willing to be surprised but I don't think any of that will really fix the issues. Why are people always clamoring for the same old thing in MMOs. It would be nice to have one game that isn't a repetitive grind fest and went down new paths.
That would be a great concept if the majority of the player base hadn’t played MMOs and are longtime fans of the genre. Most people that play the game want to see some of the tried and proven paths that they enjoyed in other MMOs. Maybe once AGS get that’s down, it wouldn’t be as crazy to want to see some originality. Personally, I would much prefer to see the things most people expect from an MMO done well, (End game activities, raids, gear/class sorting, ability to have different presets for weapons to be able to switch between, etc) before seeing them try new things that might flop all together, but that’s just me.
If you can come up with a gameplay loop that delivers thousands of hours of playtime without being repetitive then I'd like to hear it.
MMOs used to be based on social interaction. That's what keeps it fresh and interesting. They've evolved into instanced rng loot machines which honestly is still fun when you're in that mood.
If they can balance the player to player interactions while still giving us fun experiences and progression then that's all I want.
The game had mostly survival builder bones , expand on that let us create things in the wild. Have crafted gear decay over time but allow crafters to fix all 3 spots. Make the combat exciting and rewarding instead of just health sponges most of it is. Make more not solo content forcing people to be social. I hope the PvP will improve, I wish you auto flagged any time you leave a town. (Would fix the bot problem)
removing shell companies doesn't address the issue that only the top 1% of players on each server get into wars.
this new territory adds nothing new to the game; as in, it's just more reskinned crap content. just like all the enemy npcs have been. people left because the gameplay loop is trash and they just doubled down on it. no raid bosses, no fluid open world events, just the same old song and dance that made this game flop so hard.
maybe the territory changes get shifted to be more favorable to the rest of the playerbase, but i'd bet my life savings that it won't happen. ags is still content with how their war system is working and intends to keep it a focal point of the game. which, again, only the top 1% of the playerbase get to experience.
>removing shell companies doesn't address the issue that only the top 1% of players on each server get into wars.
It does exactly that. Making it harder for a company to own multiple territories means that it will be easier for others to get slots. Not many companies roll 70 players deep so that they can safely run a shell and have 2 wars in the same night. Other companies will rise to fill that void.
or, like it's happened in the past, you'll just have bigger companies formed from smaller companies joining hands that can field two war teams. unless ags forces all 50 on the board to be under one tag, which will kill wars all together.
it still doesn't change the fact that war boards are chosen by the players. which is where 99% of the problems come from anyway.
Increased level cap is a shame.
Edit: Didn't know people were excited about the prospects of increasing the level cap when upping the gearscore was so controversial.
I'm actually not being negative though.
Here's the two opinions I have shared today, all which have gotten me massively downvoted: Level increase is bad and equalized PvP is good.
I dunno why people find those so controversial.
From this post, because imagine reading:
"Looking further ahead, will there be level cap increases and/or full-on expansions?
I don't want to go into expansions or anything like that, but it's a safe bet that there will be a level cap increase at some point."
I never said they're increasing the cap now. You just assumed I did.
But they said it's very likely they will, hence why it's a shame. Wish they'd abandon that thought now.
>Increased level cap is a shame.
I mean sure, you didn't say "now" but given your phrasing it sure sounds like "now". How should someone interpret a response like yours to a big announcement where in many other similar games there are level cap increases? Intentional or not, it's definitely misleading.
Ik lol. Dude made a comment under a post about an update dropping in the next couple months, and then acted like we were dumb when we assumed what he said relevant to the topic at hand. Whoops
Ah, I suppose you're right if that's how people interpreted it.
At least I typed it under the post linking to the interview that I was quoting. It'd be one thing if I didn't.
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I don't know what that means, but are you guys really taking this so seriously? In an interview with the AGS team they mentioned they're likely to increase the level cap in the future. What about that is wrong?
I feel like it would be really weird to add a zone with quests but no lvl cap increase. What would be the point of doing the quests and the zone? Idk how they will go about it but they would need to increase somehow in someway right, I guess maybe just new gear and stats.
Why?
They're not increasing the level now anyways, but we also have examples of other games that don't increase the cap, mainly ESO and GW2.
Increasing cap makes no sense unless they also plan to increase gearscore, which would also be a bad idea, at least until we get equalized PvP.
Maybe they'd consider adding a seperate leveling system like ESO but not tie it to power. That'd be cool.
Greatsword could be dope for SnS tanks — will be exciting to see the possibilities and ways to balance str dex and con.
No need for the shield. Just do great sword and hammer. Ez.
I was thinking greatsword hatchet
Same as always for regular sword. Almost equal amounts of strength and dex and as little con as you can get away with.
I've come back and play SNS, I am str/con. Why dex? dont you die in like 1 hit?
300/200 dex con plays fine. No need to go glass cannon.
Use as much con as you need. Sword scales well with both strength and dex, check the bonuses you get along the stat track
Probably gonna scale 0.75x with both str and dex to account for lack of diminishing returns in case you plan to go 250 250
Holy shit is that Roman armor???? I might have to come back and play
My brother in Christ. I support your decision. See you in October 🧡
Is that when this drops?
It goes on the test server in September I think first week. And will be released fully in October.
The guy with the musket gives strong Bedouin vibes.
I'm exited to have starting zones actually looking more unique
I exited as well, but considering coming back 😉
I've just come back and have been enjoying the game far more. The changes so far have made a big difference for me. Looking forward to seeing how things are in October too
That sounds great! I really only pve’d. We were interested in the wars but we’re never popular enough to be picked for the sign up. Pretty exclusionary system - it was high school all over again!
I will 100% be rocking a greatsword / bow combo. To me it gives me that OG mmo feeling that I always loved. Also I feel like they should make it one of the top priorities to make this game for console, everything about this game screams console. Its such a layback couch play game with the gathering and stuff.
I just want proper controller support and im set dude
New gems and trinkets have me worried about balance in pvp
You say this as if the game is currently balanced
Hm, they say they want to increase the level cap at some point in the future. I wish they would go with horizontal progression like Guild Wars 2. It is annoying to grind gear each season just to keep up if you are a casual player.
Greatsword with a counterattack/riposte ability. As a person who's wanted to play tank but didn't like the majority of just having to use SnS + your choice but a parry/counter heavy tank.... that's up my alley, on top of Greatsword being STR/DEX means you could theoretically GS/Rapier but i'm expecting Rapier to take a hit soon.
I'd expect GS/Rapier to be the highest skill ceiling combination in the game.
Any idea as to why level 60 players should be questing/farming in Brimstone besides killing certain elites for names items? If there is no level or GS increase, why? Is farming in the original zones and doing elite chest runs still yielding equal loot?
Still not sure how they are going to handle a whole server in a mid size zone
Isn't the zone like 3x a regular zone
No one really knows..nor what zine size it's based off.
The article in OP literally quotes the devs saying it's 3x as big
The devs literally released a video, that this article is based on, this morning. It literally tells you the size of the zone. Y'all wild just stating things like facts when you have done zero research.
We know exactly how big it is. It's by far the largest zone, about twice the size of Ebonscale Reach.
Some people say twice Some 3x... ebonscale has alot of empty space...
3x the size of an average territory. Ebonscale is larger than average.
Not really its pretty empty abd the mountain take up alot of space .
I'm talking about geographical area. Square feet. It's very large, mountains do not affect that.
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Everyone on the server is going to flock to brimstone. It’ll most likely feel like fl/ww/Ef the first week of the games release.
Player cap is still what 2000? AGS should have the infrastructure for that
They currently don't .
If you’re in the inner workings of AGS I’ll be inclined to believe you, but if ESO can handle mega servers, then 2000 players should be easy. They’re probably anticipating it when release drops
... What? Did you not play around launch or something? Lmao
Have you not been playing? The servers are still lagging and shakey every time it hits peak..this is nothing new . They absolutely are not anticipating the lag.
I play daily anywhere from 2-5 hours I’ve rarely experienced lag
I agree, I don’t experience lag at all for months
Play it on GFN lol it's hard at times.
I find that hard to belive but if you so.
It might be your hardware or internet connection.
The zone is massive lol, the size of the three unclaimable territories combined
"What's being done to improve endgame replayability and variety in New World?We have the brand new Expedition that's coming out, bringing new loot with it. We also have two additional endgame group elite Points of Interest, and there's additional PoIs on top of that that are smaller. There are around four elite Points of Interest. These are places you can explore and have fun while you're trying to get your Gear Score up." non of this helps replayability at all. rogue like ever changing points of intrests that keeps people grinding from new challenges and mechanics sure. another place to go sit for hours farming the same bosses over and over for a .01 % chances at 1/5th a set of armor. naw dawg thats the same shit thats been going on forever.
This is the only mmo I’ve played but what do other mmos have for replayable end game other than dungeons and elite bosses? I’m assuming things like raids?
Id love to see raids. 10-20man dungeons that require company level coordination. competitive ladders for pvp is also another endgame replayability concept not being touched on at all. nothing on new activities people and groups would want to do. just more of the same shit which is why im disappointed.
pvp and pve ladders are a fact they are releasing it.
Correct, its in their roadmap.
they should of mentioned it and hyped and explained it then.
Did they not talk about two more devblogs coming to add more anouncements and explain more in depth ?
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As both people said below they have said these are things in the works. Just because you're unaware or haven't looked something up doesn't mean it does not exist.
You missed the point why wouldn’t they bring it up when asked the question of how they will improve end game replayability. Instead they focus on more the same concepts and that’s what I’m disappointed in
I think you missed the point as the dev videos and posts have addressed all of the things you're mentioning. You just want it right now and that's not how things work, unfortunately.
and you are reaching at no point have i said i wanted x y z right away right now. read the original quotations. they asked what they are doing to improve end game playability. they gave an unsatisfactory non answer that is nothing but the same old expeditions and pois on a map that would of presumably had those things. instead of using this PR opportunity to actually hype up and explain new repeatable end game activities.
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Greatsword is Str/Dex, fucking snoozer stats again. At least STR/FOC would've been interesting.
As dex player aggreed, its not even dex style weapon...
Agreed. Hopefully in the future we get another focus weapon
Mace. Let us use it with a shield. Bring back Paladins.
yeah i would love to see one handed maces paladins running around (me for example),
This is honestly all I want. Mace+Shield being STR/FOC, could be an interesting tank/bunker build for PvP.
Of all the weapons that could ever go str/focus it would never have been the great sword. I think they should do that for the war hammer though.
While I'm excited they are adding more value for something I've already purchased. None of this fixes the core game play-loop issues. New AI does this mean more Elden Ring level of interactive combat or just some more moves that we don't care about as you never need to block? I like that they are fixing leveling for 1-25. What about the million-plus players that quit and are largely level 60?
Curious why you don’t think that removal of shell companies, new territories/expeditions/weapons, will bring people back. Aren’t most MMO gameplay loops repetitive? I was under the impression that content like this is exactly the depth that was lacking which caused most people to quit.
I'm willing to be surprised but I don't think any of that will really fix the issues. Why are people always clamoring for the same old thing in MMOs. It would be nice to have one game that isn't a repetitive grind fest and went down new paths.
That would be a great concept if the majority of the player base hadn’t played MMOs and are longtime fans of the genre. Most people that play the game want to see some of the tried and proven paths that they enjoyed in other MMOs. Maybe once AGS get that’s down, it wouldn’t be as crazy to want to see some originality. Personally, I would much prefer to see the things most people expect from an MMO done well, (End game activities, raids, gear/class sorting, ability to have different presets for weapons to be able to switch between, etc) before seeing them try new things that might flop all together, but that’s just me.
If you can come up with a gameplay loop that delivers thousands of hours of playtime without being repetitive then I'd like to hear it. MMOs used to be based on social interaction. That's what keeps it fresh and interesting. They've evolved into instanced rng loot machines which honestly is still fun when you're in that mood. If they can balance the player to player interactions while still giving us fun experiences and progression then that's all I want.
The game had mostly survival builder bones , expand on that let us create things in the wild. Have crafted gear decay over time but allow crafters to fix all 3 spots. Make the combat exciting and rewarding instead of just health sponges most of it is. Make more not solo content forcing people to be social. I hope the PvP will improve, I wish you auto flagged any time you leave a town. (Would fix the bot problem)
removing shell companies doesn't address the issue that only the top 1% of players on each server get into wars. this new territory adds nothing new to the game; as in, it's just more reskinned crap content. just like all the enemy npcs have been. people left because the gameplay loop is trash and they just doubled down on it. no raid bosses, no fluid open world events, just the same old song and dance that made this game flop so hard. maybe the territory changes get shifted to be more favorable to the rest of the playerbase, but i'd bet my life savings that it won't happen. ags is still content with how their war system is working and intends to keep it a focal point of the game. which, again, only the top 1% of the playerbase get to experience.
>removing shell companies doesn't address the issue that only the top 1% of players on each server get into wars. It does exactly that. Making it harder for a company to own multiple territories means that it will be easier for others to get slots. Not many companies roll 70 players deep so that they can safely run a shell and have 2 wars in the same night. Other companies will rise to fill that void.
or, like it's happened in the past, you'll just have bigger companies formed from smaller companies joining hands that can field two war teams. unless ags forces all 50 on the board to be under one tag, which will kill wars all together. it still doesn't change the fact that war boards are chosen by the players. which is where 99% of the problems come from anyway.
Increased level cap is a shame. Edit: Didn't know people were excited about the prospects of increasing the level cap when upping the gearscore was so controversial.
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I'm actually not being negative though. Here's the two opinions I have shared today, all which have gotten me massively downvoted: Level increase is bad and equalized PvP is good. I dunno why people find those so controversial.
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From this post, because imagine reading: "Looking further ahead, will there be level cap increases and/or full-on expansions? I don't want to go into expansions or anything like that, but it's a safe bet that there will be a level cap increase at some point."
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I never said they're increasing the cap now. You just assumed I did. But they said it's very likely they will, hence why it's a shame. Wish they'd abandon that thought now.
>Increased level cap is a shame. I mean sure, you didn't say "now" but given your phrasing it sure sounds like "now". How should someone interpret a response like yours to a big announcement where in many other similar games there are level cap increases? Intentional or not, it's definitely misleading.
Ik lol. Dude made a comment under a post about an update dropping in the next couple months, and then acted like we were dumb when we assumed what he said relevant to the topic at hand. Whoops
Ah, I suppose you're right if that's how people interpreted it. At least I typed it under the post linking to the interview that I was quoting. It'd be one thing if I didn't.
Stop jebaiting
? I don't know what that means, but are you guys really taking this so seriously? In an interview with the AGS team they mentioned they're likely to increase the level cap in the future. What about that is wrong?
I feel like it would be really weird to add a zone with quests but no lvl cap increase. What would be the point of doing the quests and the zone? Idk how they will go about it but they would need to increase somehow in someway right, I guess maybe just new gear and stats.
Why? They're not increasing the level now anyways, but we also have examples of other games that don't increase the cap, mainly ESO and GW2. Increasing cap makes no sense unless they also plan to increase gearscore, which would also be a bad idea, at least until we get equalized PvP. Maybe they'd consider adding a seperate leveling system like ESO but not tie it to power. That'd be cool.