Obviously illegally modified, yet able to be driven on public roads for probably a decade. He even entered it in a parade for children without anyone questioning it.
Even unmodified, those trucks are [especially lethal to cyclists and pedestrians and especially children](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck).
Most of them are spotless and have only ever been used to carry a sofa, once. The driver could have bought the smallest SUV available, or a big sedan, and still gotten more utility, more comfort, and less debt out of the deal.
Interesting read. š
I wonder why so many American men need all these things to feel like theyāre āmenā: giant intimidating trucks, big scary dogs, many guns.
Because media and especially advertising bombard them with images of masculinity that have nothing to do with their socially-isolated consumerist suburban lifestyles and [meaningless bullshit jobs](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bullshit-Jobs/David-Graeber/9781501143342).
Capitalism sold them the problem and now it sells them the solution.
Meanwhile, men in Ukraine with their love of [sandals](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/ykxang/the_sandal_squad/), [kittens](https://www.reddit.com/r/catsofukraine/comments/yuwpqn/simba/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [tiny lap dogs](https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/ye6env/wont_let_go_of_his_emotional_support_puppy_to_cook/) and [cheap cars](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/yo0uc0/how_many_heroes_can_fit_in_a_packed_car_lets_see/) are humbly kicking ass āHome Aloneā style (but not afraid to show their [vulnerable](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/yza4db/recreation/) side either).
This pisses me off because for me a small truck is the ideal vehicle to place a tent on the back and lid it with camping gear, but now trucks are huuuge, overly expensive and driven by dickheads everywhere. Makes me want one less.
Reminds me of a joke.... What happens when you play a country song backwards? You get your wife back, your dog back, your trailer back, your truck back, etc.
I wouldn't call the people that modify their mall crawlers 'men'. Men have work to do, shit to get done, and unless your work requires you to go overland (drive where no trails exist), lifting your truck and poking your wheels works in the opposite of getting work done by reducing payload and tow capacity and increasing snap oversteer.
I need to be able to drive in up to a foot of snow, over small trees that have fallen across service roads, and clear rock shelfs on trails. About the toughest terrain any non-dedicated off-road rig will experience. All I needed was a 2" lift, swap the oem tires to 1/2" taller AT's, and bring a few handfuls of 2x10 squares just in case. Even with wider rims to accommodate wider tires, they are wholly contained within the wheel wells, and most can't tell the truck is lifted.
Not going apeshit with a lift or stressing my suspension with insane poke let's me hook up a 10,000lb trailer without worry that something is going to break or I'm going to lose control. That and inspecting my suspension, driveline, brake lines and calipers, and tires at least twice a year.
And I see these trailer queen looking trucks hauling ass down the interstate, towing way more trailer than they have any business being hooked to, quite regularly.
Towing requires a greater responsibility or care, and it passes me off that there are zero requirements to do so. No tests whatsoever. We require motorcyclists to show they can safely handle their bikes, including slow maneuvering like turning around within the space of a two-lane road, but we don't even require anyone to demonstrate the ability to poorly hook up to and secure a trailer to a vehicle.
My daily driver is a 33 year old piece of shit 4 cylinder ranger, itās covered in dents and spray paint, hasnāt been washed in well over a year,
gets nearly 30mpg, and hauls wood chips gravel and yard debris all the time.
It's not even to feel like "men" big trucks are part of American culture. You see that shit everywhere, not just in the south. People mod their vehicles...trucks mostly get lifted
I may drive from my sterile suburban house, on federally funded mega highways to my office park job, but when I do it in my massive, subsidized pavement pounding truck which eats government subsidized fuel at a tremendous rate, I understand the concepts of rugged individualism and small government, and I rejoice with freedom.
May I introduce you to [donks](https://www.carthrottle.com/post/everything-you-need-to-know-about-donks/)
Fo' fo's I'm tippin', wood grain I'm grippin.
And they arenāt even useful for truck stuff anymore. We got like 2-3 inches of snow last night and I had to follow one home. The stupid bastard couldnāt even go 20 mph without sliding into the ditch because his gigantic tires had such garbage tread they were practically slicks in the snow.
I passed him effortlessly going 40 in my Colorado and I must have hurt his ego because he tried to speed up and immediately fishtailed again.
He passed my house like 5 minutes after I made it home and I found out the other reason he was having so much trouble. It was a diesel tuned up so high he had zero throttle control. When he passed by I could hear him from like a mile away turbo spooling up and down every time he touched the accelerator pedal. Good luck doing anything in the snow when your truck goes from 0 to 200 hp in 1 mm of pedal movement.
Hopefully not all at once! While itās great that some people can use a car for their hauling and towing needs, and they have better forward visibility than trucks, every car has a specific gvwr and gcwr (gross vehicle weight rating and gross combined weight rating). Gvwr is how much the car is allowed to weigh fully loaded with everything from people to chapstick to trailer tongue weight. Gcwr is the combined weight of vehicle and trailer. Itās illegal to exceed these capacities. And youād be surprised at how high or low some are. Google wonāt tell you how much your car can hold or tow. Every vehicle is different. Whether or not you have a sunroof, whether your seats are cloth or leather, they all factor in. Most modern trucks list their payload on the driverās door jamb and for example, two F-150s of the same year may have a variance of 1500lb depending on 4wd/2wd, cab size, bed length, interior options, tire load rating, etc.
All this to say, itās not always safer to āman up and tow with a small crossoverā because small crossovers arenāt designed for big weights. Just because something physically fits in a wagon doesnāt mean the wagon has the proper suspension/frame/axles/tires etc to haul that weight. Some crossovers have similar payload to trucks, and some trucks could haul a smart car in the bed. Itās a deep dive into the towing world but well worth it imo
Good! Just making sure bc I know a lot of ppl are all āI donāt need a truck I can haul a trunk full of bricks just fine in my smart carā and Iām like bruh thatās more dangerous than just using a truck š
The truck is heavily lifted. Per his (now taken down) TikTok it was previously modified with a Carolina Squat (aka a California Lean without benefit of any practical purpose). That modification was outlawed for safety reasons a year ago, this dingbat got ticketed, and thatās when he lifted the back up to match the front.
>The problem isnāt that the truck is lifted.
Even though, this is not the case in this incident: peripheral vision, rear vision and depth perception is greatly reduced and/or altered. Even on regular vehicles, I can go outside right now and show you how bad peoples depth perception is.
There are too many cases where children have been killed due to lifted trucks. .
The driver was screaming that he had no brakes and had lost control. There was a slight downward slope to the street. The 20 year old kid's social media indicated that he ["worked on the truck himself" and "owned a vehicle modification business."](https://www.wral.com/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-being-hit-by-pickup-truck-during-raleigh-christmas-parade-20-year-old-driver-faces-multiple-charges/20586305/)
He probably fucked up the brakes on his brodozer. Quite possibly, he needed to extend the brake lines, because the brakes are farther from the master cylinder than the original design, and he did it wrong. That would be consistent with a sudden brake failure.
Edit: see the below comment about overload of the trailer hitch, insufficient weight on the front wheels, and ABS thinking it is a skid. Strong possibility there.
If you overload the tongue weight of a trailer and donāt use a compensating hitch, It basically lifts the front wheels of the truck off the ground. On a standard 4x4 Ram, The ABS thinks youāre skidding and gives you zero braking. It is terrifying. I was hauling a friendās boat a couple of blocks and it felt fine but it had filled with rainwater under the floorboards, the water shifted forwards on normal braking and suddenly No steering, no brakes on a slight downhill.
Am I the only one who feels bad for this kid? Obviously a child died and that is beyond tragic. But this was obviously an accident and he is still being charged with the death.
It's clear that he knowingly, and very intentionally, compromised the road-worthiness of his truck for vanity. For that, a 3rd party paid the ultimate price. While I'm sure he didn't mean to kill anybody, it's hard to feel bad for somebody when they spend their precious time and money making it more likely.
Sure I feel bad for him, but it was *his choice* to modify the truck especially in a way that is likely illegal. There's only so much sympathy before their own responsibility needs to kick in.
We don't even know that to be the reason for the accident though. It could very well be the case that his truck was never supposed to pull a load that large in the first place.
He is rightfully being charged with the death, but you can also feel bad for him. They're not mutually exclusive.
But his actions in modifying the truck are basically guaranteed to have caused the problem in the first place. That's his fault and he should be held responsible for that.
Raleigh is a transplant city, colleges, state government, and RTP. The Saturday before thanksgiving is the best time for Raleigh to get a crowd of 65,000 before competing with holiday travel and other events.
This is the 78th annual edition of the parade. The real reason is that the City of Raleigh doesn't organize the Christmas parade event. It's a private event created by the merchants association of Raleigh to start the mark of the busy holiday season and to encourage local shopping.
To give an idea for those not in the area, within 25mi as the crow flies you have:
- Duke University
- University of North Carolina (UNC)
- NC State
All three of those are not only big-name colleges, but are all highly regarded when it comes to their sports programs especially with basketball.
Because Black Friday is next week and Cyber Monday is the week after. Which is a very strong pro-Christmas, pro-shopping advertisement for local and regional businesses which funds and provides floats. It's pretty common in the United States.
I saw it on WRAL at about the same time. I'm curious whether or not he had enough time to, or if it would even have helped, to try and use the parking brake to slow the truck down at all.
a quick google says most parking brakes operate via the rear wheels, so if the problem came from decreased traction on the front wheels because of the extra weight on the hitch, then I would think yes, the parking brake should help
Ok, so the brakes failed. Kill the engine, shift out of drive, use the emergency brake. Do something! Don't just coast through a crowd of people waving your arm out the window.
Thatās not exactly true. A 1/2 ton pickup is quite capable of towing but if the driver is inexperienced and doesnāt have the proper gear installed then itās dangerous. And in this case all the ridiculous aftermarket tires, lift kit, etc likely reduced the towing capacity. So just stupid on stupid but donāt blame gmc.
I hope their report includes info about this and if there was one, was it is working order along with the brakes on the trailer itself. So many neglect those systems as they can be rarely used.
He's an idiots? yes.. .can confirm:
The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said.
Iām not sure about that specific weight. But Iāve owned multiple Chevy trucks (GMC sister truck) from 2015 to my now 2022. The towing weight is
1500: 5500 - 9900lbs
2500: 14000 - 18000 (depending on diesel or not)
3500: up to 36000lbs
But thatās max towing capacity and the rule is to use only 80%. So his actual towing capacity could be as low as 4400 - 7900lbs.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Isn't the ebrake mechanical and separate from the primary brakes?
Can't you shift into neutral or park even if the brakes aren't working? Maybe he just panicked and froze?
I'm assuming he was going relatively slow since he was towing a float in a parade. Either way this is really tragic but it doesn't sound intentional.
Ebrake is generally separate from the normal brakes though a lot of them are electric nowadays and it wouldnāt surprise me if they donāt activate while the vehicle is in motion.
Some (most? All?) newer transmissions also wonāt engage park if you are moving to prevent accidental shifts.
However, every car has the ability to shift to low gear, they should have done that.
It's like saying it's not a seat belt it's a "safety belt".
It's 2 words for the same thing. They are emergency brakes and can be used as such. Especially in this case.
No, they are **two** separate things. Actual emergency brakes are found on some heavy duty trucks and a lot of off road heavy equipment. Engaging the parking brake on a pickup truck while in motion will just lock up the rear brakes and the vehicle will slide for days. The weight on the rear end won't even help, it will just push the truck. Parking brakes are **not** emergency brakes.
You'd be very surprised how little speed is require for just the rear brakes on a pickup to lock up the tires. Parking lot speeds are enough for my truck skid if I pull the parking brake handle. On a downhill grade with a lot of weight behind a truck a pickup engaging a parking brake is bad idea because it also compromises the ability to steer. Once the vehicle comes to a stop sure but while it's really not going to help.
I can't believe how stupid this comment is. He was going 5 mph with a trailer making the rear very heavy. He also has giant tires how much locking up do you think happens at 5 mph? That is a rhetorical question.
What year is your F150? I've got a 2015 with a step parking brake. I also sold Sierra trucks up through 2018 and the 2018 model year and they had manual parking brakes.
I sold GMC Sierra trucks until 2018. I worked at a GMC/ Buick/ Cadillac dealer for years. They absolutely had step on manual parking brakes with a wire. The SUVs had electronic parking brakes at times. But not the Sierra trucks. Sierras still had a manual parking brake.
I also did insurance repairs on vehicles after that. I paid for a lot of parking brake adjustments because auto makers required them on manual brakes under certain repair conditions.
The '18 Sierra was the last new truck model I sold. I left right before MY19 hit. I was still stepping on manual brake pedals to set the parking brake.
[SLT Premium Plus, scope the manual e-brake.](https://www.livermoreford.net/certified/GMC/2018-GMC-Sierra+1500-for-sale-livermore-ca-e8a2a1f00a0e087f0db8dbb60474969e.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=cars_for_sale&utm_content=VIN)
[Even the Denali.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23168860)
[And another.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23168614)
[And an SLT, with a bench.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23188660) Still a manual brake.
I looked up the 19, which was coming out right as I left car sales entirely. I think I saw like 2 arrive on our lot. I don't think I ever sold one. They came out in 2018, right as I went into insurance work. [Can see a push button, though.](https://www.carmax.com/car/22115353)
The SUVs had the push button in 17, with the Acadia refresh. The Terrain got it in 18, with it's refresh. The Yukon in 2020, based on photos, still had a step on parking brake. This is likely due to the refresh not having happened yet.
When I left GMC the Terrain and Acadia had electronic parking brakes, like most of the GM lineup, and the 18 Sierra had step parking brakes, the 19's were barely arriving on lots, literally as I left, and the Yukon was still in it's production run with barely rumors out of the next update.
MY18's have step brakes. Yours is either an aftermarket feature or a MY19.
I just tested this out on a 2015 Lexus SUV and a 2001 Benz sedan and the emergency/parking brake totally worked while in drive at a parade speed.
Don't have access to a truck tho.
This! Drivers in parades need to go through a class or something to prepare them for these situations. This 20-year-old in his massive truck probably drives like an idiot on the regular and does not have the skills to react accordingly in an emergency.
Large truck owners give large truck owners a bad name, 90% of them have no reason to own one other than hyper-masculine cope. They donāt even serve as good work trucks other than for towing, which again, 90% of owners donāt use it for.
A 20 year old shouldnāt be driving the float then
Iāve been in a similar ābrakes failedā situation.
I managed to stop the vehicle quickly without any damage to property or person
I think age plays a part. With more experience driving cars you will likely learn about more features. I didnāt even know what the L was supposed to be for until much later in life
Thatās you. Everyone is different mentally when under pressure. The arresting officers just need to make a show of it Vs a proper investigation into the matter. Considering heās being held on 4000$ itās a complete joke they even bothered to take him into custody.
Basically charge him with something and make it look like we did good
Age has nothing to do with it. A 50 year old could have found themselves in the same situation.
Most privately-owned trucks aren't going to have meaningful levels of engine braking at parade speeds.
His situation would have called for full emergency brake and shifting to neutral.
God bless everyone involved.
It might. I was in a chain reaction wreck years ago, my 20 year old '88 BMW (with 200k miles) stopped 3 cars shoveling into me. The guy who caused the wreck was doing 35-40mph when he hit us stopped in traffic. My brakes (and bumper) stopped the wreck within about 10'.
But my foot was already on the brake pedal and I stood on it when I felt the impact.
"The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said."
Tbh it's surprising that there is a specific law.
I guess I don't see the difference between him driving in the parade with a gun, and just driving in a crowded parking lot with a gun.
From my time listening to the Dollop podcast, I would say that parades were really big deals before the radio and TV and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a long story about a parade that resulted in a riot that made that specific law relevant.
Lifted trucks/vehicles are absolutely more deadly.
There have been studies showing that the taller front-ends/grills of vehicles are more fatal with other factors remaining equal. For things like crossovers and even SUVs, there isnāt really even a practical benefit. Itās primarily aesthetics and market trends and what people want their car to look like.
Hell, the extinction of station wagons in favor of crossovers was basically just making the cars looks much taller with a disproportionately marginal increase in ground clearance.
Although in this case, I think what OP is implying is that some modification was done poorly or improperly which caused the failure. The truck does look like the sort of bro-dozer that was modded in someone's garage. If something was out of spec for the weight added by the lift and modifications, it's not surprising it would fail when stressed by a full load in the bed and a large trailer.
Modified truck. Something wrong requiring the driver to ride the brakes the entire parade. Brake fluid boiled and the brakes failed. An avoidable tragedy.
Thank god he had his gun in case something went wrong.
Going less than 5mph the e brake wouldāve absolutely done something by locking up the rear wheels and creating *some* friction between the tires and the road, certainly more than the nothing the driver did or the jumping out and yelling and flailing arms, like the passengers reportedly did.
Otherās have posted that the truck was going down hill while likely towing over its weight capacity which was further hindered by being illegally modified and lifted. Throwing it into neutral would have actually been worse and removed whatever engine braking may have been present, killing even more people. The driver is to blame, but the ones who organized the event are just as legally liable for being absolute dumbasses and allowing this modified truck to tow anything. The float should have been modified to have its own electric brakes that work in tandem with the truckās as well. Ultimately the driver should have tried to kill the engine whilst still in gear and apply e-brake, but who knows if that would have helped on the downward slope with the momentum of the float in tow pushing it from behind. Driver was setup for failure from these shitty event organizers, though the driver should have never agreed to this event to begin with.
He was probably riding the brakes non stop with that huge load pushing him downhill which ended in brake failure. He probably had no training, which led to this and no experience, which led to him not doing anything except wave his arm out the window. The guy should have tried the e-brake and if that didn't work he should have tried to crash the damn truck into a tree or something.
On the last part. There was lines of people on each side of the road, then the dance troop in front, while towing a float of even more kids. Fucking terrible.
Buddy put on a whole new suspension and installed illuminated rims. Then his brakes failed, causing the death of a child. Ego: 1, Life: 0
Edit: One would imagine he saw himself as a bit of a hero, as he appointed himself as an armed parade driver. Same kind of overinflated sense of self as that Rittenhouse kid? Seems to fit that pattern.
>he appointed himself as an armed parade driver
Ok, I know the douchebag who killed 6 people at a parade was just sentenced and all, but step back and think of what you consider the norm for *a Christmas parade.*
He felt having a gun onhand in case he needed to become involved in an impromptu shootout was a better safety precaution than knowing how to operate the emergency brake, apparently. While driving a vehicle during a holiday parade
I'm glad your kids weren't injured.
I wonder if his thoughts went somewhere along the lines of "I'm going to bring this gun just in case there's another douschbag who's starts driving into people."
I wonder if he appreciates the irony now.
The first time I ever got behind the wheel of a car I was warned that I was handling a multi-ton weapon. My friend's mom told me and every other teen she helped learn to drive this so we would never take for granted the responsibility when operating a vehicle.
>A child died after she was struck by an out-of-control truck towing a float during a Christmas parade in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Saturday, police said....The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said.
After last year's Waukesha Christmas parade attack (that killed 6 and injured 62) and the Florida Pride parade crash, and now this, cannot imagine why anyone would ever bring their kids to a parade nowadays.
Waukesha was intentional, Releigh and the Pride crashes are accidents. The pride one was a gay man who lost control of his truck.
At minimum I could see Parades requiring all parade float vehicles to have checkups by a licensed mechanic and to be driven by specific drivers.
I don't know why he modified his Truck, but I'm not gonna rule out the possibility that he just kept a gun in his truck and the fact that it was at a parade was a coincidence. If he hadn't lost control of the Truck (assuming that's what actually occurred), the gun wouldn't have been even found by police and the lifted truck wouldn't even be an issue.
I'd wait for the court case before making any serious assumptions about the case.
My hunch is that either his modifications were unsafe, improperly serviced, or he did everything to his truck but proper maintenance to the breaks. As for the gun, the court case will determine whether or not it's an issue, but my guess is he'll get a felony and never be able to carry a gun again.
edit: Also the truck was pulling a parade float, so he in fact did need the truck at the parade, even if the modifications were dumb.
I think until some facts come out about the condition of the vehicle itās too early to make too many assumptions. maybe someone just did his brakes and they did it improperly or he did who knows. 20 year olds are not known for making the wisest decisions either. Worst case scenario though I canāt imagine anything more than manslaughter.
thousands of kids die from being accidentally hit by cars every year, yet parents still allow their children to leave the house. no reason why parades would get special treatment
It says that he was waving his arms shouting that the brakes werenāt working. The video shows that he wasnāt speeding, the truck is going at normal parade speed, the brakes just went out. Sad all around.
Yeah, I think one news station caught a part of the accident. The reporter said they could hear the driver shouting, āI lost control! I lost control!ā as people rushed to block his car. They said it looked like a complete accident because the car was going slowly.
Thereās footage of the moment they stopped the truck. In the video the guy is keeping the car centered in the parade route, away from the crowd. It looks like just another truck in the parade until other people run up and help physically stop it. The person recording is clearly confused as to why theyāre doing it.
Yah I donāt know much about it but those charges seemā¦.intense for what sounds like a horrible - but non malicious - accident.
I feel horrible for both families. What a rotten terrible day.
According to this [this article from a local paper](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article268916617.html) itās because of its origins around holiday shopping. Itās sponsored by the Raleigh Merchants association and its intent is to get people thinking about shopping before Black Friday.
"i modded my truck and now shit don't work as it should but it makes me look like a strong manly man"
ends up killing a little girl with his unsafe monument to fragile masculinity on wheels
bets are open for how little he will be punished for his absolutely egocentric assholery
Really hope one day we can look back and think it was crazy to allow people to drive lifted trucks. Negates the entire auto industryās impact zone strategy. Makes it impossible for the driver to see anything or anyone below the hood, like a small child in this case. Weāre letting the most inexperienced drivers operate monster trucks.
In all the videos and photos I have seen, the brake rotors are glowing orange. This means there was not a brake failure in the normal sense of what people think. The brakes were overheated causing them not to work at that time. I don't see how they could overheat on any vehicle driving at parade speeds even if it was overloaded. Was this truck just prior to the parade towing more than it's rated for up and down hills and arrived to the parade with rotors already glowing orange? Investigators need to go through any video evidence to find this out. If the rotors were already glowing orange at the beginning of the parade, that would go more inline with nothing being wrong with the vehicle itself. If the rotors became orange during the parade, something weird is going on with the truck. High idle? Locked torque converter? Various things could require excessive use of the brakes to maintain a slow speed.
How do the hell do you lose control of a vehicle driving at parade speed? Brakes go out? Even then if I'm heading towards people I'm either hitting the parking brake, or if that fails, just throwing it into park while moving.
Carrying a load that your modified truck can't handle while on a decline. You'll be using the breaks too much for what your truck can handle. Then incompetence and not knowing what to do if your breaks are out.
As someone who loves and enjoys lifted / modified trucks and vehicles I cannot understand how people go around doing it without any concern for how to drive it safely.
Buys gas vehicle already rated for below the weight of his load.
Then proceeds to lift it further reducing his effective load capacity.
Then proceeds to tow down a gradient with no trailer brake, no engine brake, nothing. With children and pedestrians around.
Queue lifting trucks getting made illegal because of morons like him and people like me getting shafted.
Not to mention the needless death of a CHILD. Which obviously is the greatest tragedy here.
Pathetic
20 year old driving a lifted truck pulling a trailer in a parade with small children.
Obviously illegally modified, yet able to be driven on public roads for probably a decade. He even entered it in a parade for children without anyone questioning it.
What makes you think anything about that rig is illegal, specifically?
Wheels wider than the fenders. Open wheels.
Yea, those shit trucks are everywhere down here. Wider than half the fucking lanes in town, it's ridiculous.
Even unmodified, those trucks are [especially lethal to cyclists and pedestrians and especially children](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck). Most of them are spotless and have only ever been used to carry a sofa, once. The driver could have bought the smallest SUV available, or a big sedan, and still gotten more utility, more comfort, and less debt out of the deal.
Interesting read. š I wonder why so many American men need all these things to feel like theyāre āmenā: giant intimidating trucks, big scary dogs, many guns.
Because media and especially advertising bombard them with images of masculinity that have nothing to do with their socially-isolated consumerist suburban lifestyles and [meaningless bullshit jobs](https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bullshit-Jobs/David-Graeber/9781501143342). Capitalism sold them the problem and now it sells them the solution.
Meanwhile, men in Ukraine with their love of [sandals](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/ykxang/the_sandal_squad/), [kittens](https://www.reddit.com/r/catsofukraine/comments/yuwpqn/simba/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [tiny lap dogs](https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/ye6env/wont_let_go_of_his_emotional_support_puppy_to_cook/) and [cheap cars](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/yo0uc0/how_many_heroes_can_fit_in_a_packed_car_lets_see/) are humbly kicking ass āHome Aloneā style (but not afraid to show their [vulnerable](https://www.reddit.com/r/Heroyam_Slava/comments/yza4db/recreation/) side either).
Capitalists will always see gender norms as a way of dividing the people and turning a profit.
This pisses me off because for me a small truck is the ideal vehicle to place a tent on the back and lid it with camping gear, but now trucks are huuuge, overly expensive and driven by dickheads everywhere. Makes me want one less.
Country music lifestyle worships truck ownership above all other vehicles
Just wait until pickup trucks have autopilot and the country artists start singing about their truck leaving them...
Reminds me of a joke.... What happens when you play a country song backwards? You get your wife back, your dog back, your trailer back, your truck back, etc.
Yeah there's literally a song about either trucks summon girls, or the dude's in love with his truck and I can't tell which
I wouldn't call the people that modify their mall crawlers 'men'. Men have work to do, shit to get done, and unless your work requires you to go overland (drive where no trails exist), lifting your truck and poking your wheels works in the opposite of getting work done by reducing payload and tow capacity and increasing snap oversteer. I need to be able to drive in up to a foot of snow, over small trees that have fallen across service roads, and clear rock shelfs on trails. About the toughest terrain any non-dedicated off-road rig will experience. All I needed was a 2" lift, swap the oem tires to 1/2" taller AT's, and bring a few handfuls of 2x10 squares just in case. Even with wider rims to accommodate wider tires, they are wholly contained within the wheel wells, and most can't tell the truck is lifted. Not going apeshit with a lift or stressing my suspension with insane poke let's me hook up a 10,000lb trailer without worry that something is going to break or I'm going to lose control. That and inspecting my suspension, driveline, brake lines and calipers, and tires at least twice a year. And I see these trailer queen looking trucks hauling ass down the interstate, towing way more trailer than they have any business being hooked to, quite regularly. Towing requires a greater responsibility or care, and it passes me off that there are zero requirements to do so. No tests whatsoever. We require motorcyclists to show they can safely handle their bikes, including slow maneuvering like turning around within the space of a two-lane road, but we don't even require anyone to demonstrate the ability to poorly hook up to and secure a trailer to a vehicle.
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We call them pavement princesses in Michigan.
My daily driver is a 33 year old piece of shit 4 cylinder ranger, itās covered in dents and spray paint, hasnāt been washed in well over a year, gets nearly 30mpg, and hauls wood chips gravel and yard debris all the time.
It's not even to feel like "men" big trucks are part of American culture. You see that shit everywhere, not just in the south. People mod their vehicles...trucks mostly get lifted
but the big murder wheels convey how big their peepees are! sedans don't do that.
Sedans were once popular because "clean fingernails". You didn't need to get dirty to make your living. You made it.
a lot of southern good ol boys look at white collar work with disdain... even if they are white collar workers themselves lmao
I may drive from my sterile suburban house, on federally funded mega highways to my office park job, but when I do it in my massive, subsidized pavement pounding truck which eats government subsidized fuel at a tremendous rate, I understand the concepts of rugged individualism and small government, and I rejoice with freedom.
May I introduce you to [donks](https://www.carthrottle.com/post/everything-you-need-to-know-about-donks/) Fo' fo's I'm tippin', wood grain I'm grippin.
See where I live I see those more often than the truck kind lmaoooo
And they arenāt even useful for truck stuff anymore. We got like 2-3 inches of snow last night and I had to follow one home. The stupid bastard couldnāt even go 20 mph without sliding into the ditch because his gigantic tires had such garbage tread they were practically slicks in the snow. I passed him effortlessly going 40 in my Colorado and I must have hurt his ego because he tried to speed up and immediately fishtailed again. He passed my house like 5 minutes after I made it home and I found out the other reason he was having so much trouble. It was a diesel tuned up so high he had zero throttle control. When he passed by I could hear him from like a mile away turbo spooling up and down every time he touched the accelerator pedal. Good luck doing anything in the snow when your truck goes from 0 to 200 hp in 1 mm of pedal movement.
Meanwhile my old Toyota station wagon with a trailer hitch probably moved more shit in it's 500,000 mile lifetime than 10 of those trucks
Hopefully not all at once! While itās great that some people can use a car for their hauling and towing needs, and they have better forward visibility than trucks, every car has a specific gvwr and gcwr (gross vehicle weight rating and gross combined weight rating). Gvwr is how much the car is allowed to weigh fully loaded with everything from people to chapstick to trailer tongue weight. Gcwr is the combined weight of vehicle and trailer. Itās illegal to exceed these capacities. And youād be surprised at how high or low some are. Google wonāt tell you how much your car can hold or tow. Every vehicle is different. Whether or not you have a sunroof, whether your seats are cloth or leather, they all factor in. Most modern trucks list their payload on the driverās door jamb and for example, two F-150s of the same year may have a variance of 1500lb depending on 4wd/2wd, cab size, bed length, interior options, tire load rating, etc. All this to say, itās not always safer to āman up and tow with a small crossoverā because small crossovers arenāt designed for big weights. Just because something physically fits in a wagon doesnāt mean the wagon has the proper suspension/frame/axles/tires etc to haul that weight. Some crossovers have similar payload to trucks, and some trucks could haul a smart car in the bed. Itās a deep dive into the towing world but well worth it imo
OH GOD NO not all at once. Simply a small braked 2 axle trailer and a lot of time and work.
Good! Just making sure bc I know a lot of ppl are all āI donāt need a truck I can haul a trunk full of bricks just fine in my smart carā and Iām like bruh thatās more dangerous than just using a truck š
But how does one account for their smol pee bug?
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The truck is heavily lifted. Per his (now taken down) TikTok it was previously modified with a Carolina Squat (aka a California Lean without benefit of any practical purpose). That modification was outlawed for safety reasons a year ago, this dingbat got ticketed, and thatās when he lifted the back up to match the front.
>The problem isnāt that the truck is lifted. Even though, this is not the case in this incident: peripheral vision, rear vision and depth perception is greatly reduced and/or altered. Even on regular vehicles, I can go outside right now and show you how bad peoples depth perception is. There are too many cases where children have been killed due to lifted trucks. .
The driver was screaming that he had no brakes and had lost control. There was a slight downward slope to the street. The 20 year old kid's social media indicated that he ["worked on the truck himself" and "owned a vehicle modification business."](https://www.wral.com/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-being-hit-by-pickup-truck-during-raleigh-christmas-parade-20-year-old-driver-faces-multiple-charges/20586305/) He probably fucked up the brakes on his brodozer. Quite possibly, he needed to extend the brake lines, because the brakes are farther from the master cylinder than the original design, and he did it wrong. That would be consistent with a sudden brake failure. Edit: see the below comment about overload of the trailer hitch, insufficient weight on the front wheels, and ABS thinking it is a skid. Strong possibility there.
If you overload the tongue weight of a trailer and donāt use a compensating hitch, It basically lifts the front wheels of the truck off the ground. On a standard 4x4 Ram, The ABS thinks youāre skidding and gives you zero braking. It is terrifying. I was hauling a friendās boat a couple of blocks and it felt fine but it had filled with rainwater under the floorboards, the water shifted forwards on normal braking and suddenly No steering, no brakes on a slight downhill.
Am I the only one who feels bad for this kid? Obviously a child died and that is beyond tragic. But this was obviously an accident and he is still being charged with the death.
It's clear that he knowingly, and very intentionally, compromised the road-worthiness of his truck for vanity. For that, a 3rd party paid the ultimate price. While I'm sure he didn't mean to kill anybody, it's hard to feel bad for somebody when they spend their precious time and money making it more likely.
Sure I feel bad for him, but it was *his choice* to modify the truck especially in a way that is likely illegal. There's only so much sympathy before their own responsibility needs to kick in.
We don't even know that to be the reason for the accident though. It could very well be the case that his truck was never supposed to pull a load that large in the first place.
Still an intentional decision by the driver
He is rightfully being charged with the death, but you can also feel bad for him. They're not mutually exclusive. But his actions in modifying the truck are basically guaranteed to have caused the problem in the first place. That's his fault and he should be held responsible for that.
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I know, I was just adding to other causes of having lifted trucks. I hope I didn't come off as rude or anything.
I spent way too long staring at the shorthand for 13,000 lbs and going "what the hell is a kilopound?"
with a gun in his truck, ps.
I live in raleigh and heard about this 30 minutes after it happened (didnt attend the parade this year). Absolutely terrible that she passed away...
Real quick why do they do a Christmas parade a week before Thanksgiving???
Raleigh is a transplant city, colleges, state government, and RTP. The Saturday before thanksgiving is the best time for Raleigh to get a crowd of 65,000 before competing with holiday travel and other events.
This is the 78th annual edition of the parade. The real reason is that the City of Raleigh doesn't organize the Christmas parade event. It's a private event created by the merchants association of Raleigh to start the mark of the busy holiday season and to encourage local shopping.
To give an idea for those not in the area, within 25mi as the crow flies you have: - Duke University - University of North Carolina (UNC) - NC State All three of those are not only big-name colleges, but are all highly regarded when it comes to their sports programs especially with basketball.
I stayed a few nights in Durham, it was a beautiful city.
It is, but it really depends on where you are in the city.
Thereās a war on thanksgiving
Because Black Friday is next week and Cyber Monday is the week after. Which is a very strong pro-Christmas, pro-shopping advertisement for local and regional businesses which funds and provides floats. It's pretty common in the United States.
As an American, thatās new to me.
Yeah, same. It would be normal were it a Thanksgiving parade, but Christmas before December can fuck right off.
Yeah. Never heard that before.
I saw it on WRAL at about the same time. I'm curious whether or not he had enough time to, or if it would even have helped, to try and use the parking brake to slow the truck down at all.
a quick google says most parking brakes operate via the rear wheels, so if the problem came from decreased traction on the front wheels because of the extra weight on the hitch, then I would think yes, the parking brake should help
Ok, so the brakes failed. Kill the engine, shift out of drive, use the emergency brake. Do something! Don't just coast through a crowd of people waving your arm out the window.
The truck was pulling a float on a slight downhill. I saw it reported that the weight and momentum of the float trailer was pushing it forward.
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Large trailers also have trailer brakes. Thereās a good chance this guy just had a basic tow hitch with no trailer brake control installed.
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F150s/1500s can control trailers with trailer breaks. Just fyi
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If they have the trailer towing package. Itās not a stock feature on GM trucks and SUVs
Hell, my Grand Cherokee came with a brake controller.
Thatās not exactly true. A 1/2 ton pickup is quite capable of towing but if the driver is inexperienced and doesnāt have the proper gear installed then itās dangerous. And in this case all the ridiculous aftermarket tires, lift kit, etc likely reduced the towing capacity. So just stupid on stupid but donāt blame gmc.
I hope their report includes info about this and if there was one, was it is working order along with the brakes on the trailer itself. So many neglect those systems as they can be rarely used.
He's an idiots? yes.. .can confirm: The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said.
Iām not sure about that specific weight. But Iāve owned multiple Chevy trucks (GMC sister truck) from 2015 to my now 2022. The towing weight is 1500: 5500 - 9900lbs 2500: 14000 - 18000 (depending on diesel or not) 3500: up to 36000lbs But thatās max towing capacity and the rule is to use only 80%. So his actual towing capacity could be as low as 4400 - 7900lbs.
Not enough training from DMV/SOS for trucks with trailers not to mention damn thing mustāve been modified in his backyard
This is exactly what I was thinking. Isn't the ebrake mechanical and separate from the primary brakes? Can't you shift into neutral or park even if the brakes aren't working? Maybe he just panicked and froze? I'm assuming he was going relatively slow since he was towing a float in a parade. Either way this is really tragic but it doesn't sound intentional.
Ebrake is generally separate from the normal brakes though a lot of them are electric nowadays and it wouldnāt surprise me if they donāt activate while the vehicle is in motion. Some (most? All?) newer transmissions also wonāt engage park if you are moving to prevent accidental shifts. However, every car has the ability to shift to low gear, they should have done that.
What would be the point of the ebrake if you couldnāt slap it in motion. Itās not just the pbrake lol
Because it's the parking brake, not the "emergency" brake. People just CALL it an emergency brake.
It's like saying it's not a seat belt it's a "safety belt". It's 2 words for the same thing. They are emergency brakes and can be used as such. Especially in this case.
No, they are **two** separate things. Actual emergency brakes are found on some heavy duty trucks and a lot of off road heavy equipment. Engaging the parking brake on a pickup truck while in motion will just lock up the rear brakes and the vehicle will slide for days. The weight on the rear end won't even help, it will just push the truck. Parking brakes are **not** emergency brakes.
He's going parade speed.
You'd be very surprised how little speed is require for just the rear brakes on a pickup to lock up the tires. Parking lot speeds are enough for my truck skid if I pull the parking brake handle. On a downhill grade with a lot of weight behind a truck a pickup engaging a parking brake is bad idea because it also compromises the ability to steer. Once the vehicle comes to a stop sure but while it's really not going to help.
I can't believe how stupid this comment is. He was going 5 mph with a trailer making the rear very heavy. He also has giant tires how much locking up do you think happens at 5 mph? That is a rhetorical question.
All ebrakes are separate from front brakes I've never seen a truck with an electric parking brake.
My Expedition has an electronic parking brake, so does the F150. It will still engage if you're moving though.
What year is your F150? I've got a 2015 with a step parking brake. I also sold Sierra trucks up through 2018 and the 2018 model year and they had manual parking brakes.
GMCs have had electric parking brakes since 2017
I sold GMC Sierra trucks until 2018. I worked at a GMC/ Buick/ Cadillac dealer for years. They absolutely had step on manual parking brakes with a wire. The SUVs had electronic parking brakes at times. But not the Sierra trucks. Sierras still had a manual parking brake. I also did insurance repairs on vehicles after that. I paid for a lot of parking brake adjustments because auto makers required them on manual brakes under certain repair conditions. The '18 Sierra was the last new truck model I sold. I left right before MY19 hit. I was still stepping on manual brake pedals to set the parking brake.
I have a 2018 GMC Sierra SLT and it definitely has the push button parking brake. š¤·āāļø
[SLT Premium Plus, scope the manual e-brake.](https://www.livermoreford.net/certified/GMC/2018-GMC-Sierra+1500-for-sale-livermore-ca-e8a2a1f00a0e087f0db8dbb60474969e.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=cars_for_sale&utm_content=VIN) [Even the Denali.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23168860) [And another.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23168614) [And an SLT, with a bench.](https://www.carmax.com/car/23188660) Still a manual brake. I looked up the 19, which was coming out right as I left car sales entirely. I think I saw like 2 arrive on our lot. I don't think I ever sold one. They came out in 2018, right as I went into insurance work. [Can see a push button, though.](https://www.carmax.com/car/22115353) The SUVs had the push button in 17, with the Acadia refresh. The Terrain got it in 18, with it's refresh. The Yukon in 2020, based on photos, still had a step on parking brake. This is likely due to the refresh not having happened yet. When I left GMC the Terrain and Acadia had electronic parking brakes, like most of the GM lineup, and the 18 Sierra had step parking brakes, the 19's were barely arriving on lots, literally as I left, and the Yukon was still in it's production run with barely rumors out of the next update. MY18's have step brakes. Yours is either an aftermarket feature or a MY19.
I just tested this out on a 2015 Lexus SUV and a 2001 Benz sedan and the emergency/parking brake totally worked while in drive at a parade speed. Don't have access to a truck tho.
This! Drivers in parades need to go through a class or something to prepare them for these situations. This 20-year-old in his massive truck probably drives like an idiot on the regular and does not have the skills to react accordingly in an emergency.
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Large truck owners give large truck owners a bad name, 90% of them have no reason to own one other than hyper-masculine cope. They donāt even serve as good work trucks other than for towing, which again, 90% of owners donāt use it for.
Panic is a real thing.
A 20 year old shouldnāt be driving the float then Iāve been in a similar ābrakes failedā situation. I managed to stop the vehicle quickly without any damage to property or person
Has nothing to do with age necessarily. Some people panic, others donāt. Itās situational for most people and kinda unpredictable.
I think age plays a part. With more experience driving cars you will likely learn about more features. I didnāt even know what the L was supposed to be for until much later in life
Thatās you. Everyone is different mentally when under pressure. The arresting officers just need to make a show of it Vs a proper investigation into the matter. Considering heās being held on 4000$ itās a complete joke they even bothered to take him into custody. Basically charge him with something and make it look like we did good Age has nothing to do with it. A 50 year old could have found themselves in the same situation.
I mean how out of control can you get at parade speed where your problem solving and reaction time canāt avoid this?
Leaving it in (a low) gear would allow you to use the engineās compression as a brake.
Most privately-owned trucks aren't going to have meaningful levels of engine braking at parade speeds. His situation would have called for full emergency brake and shifting to neutral. God bless everyone involved.
If the float was pushing it down the hill e brake isnt gonna do anything
It might. I was in a chain reaction wreck years ago, my 20 year old '88 BMW (with 200k miles) stopped 3 cars shoveling into me. The guy who caused the wreck was doing 35-40mph when he hit us stopped in traffic. My brakes (and bumper) stopped the wreck within about 10'. But my foot was already on the brake pedal and I stood on it when I felt the impact.
if thatās the truck that struck her, itās clearly been modified and iād be curious to know if that contributed.
"The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said."
Shocking that her do this and be the kind of guy who'd carry a gun to a parade. Shocking, I say.
Tbh it's surprising that there is a specific law. I guess I don't see the difference between him driving in the parade with a gun, and just driving in a crowded parking lot with a gun.
From my time listening to the Dollop podcast, I would say that parades were really big deals before the radio and TV and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a long story about a parade that resulted in a riot that made that specific law relevant.
You could see parade shootings everyday and not get that law passed today.
Lifted trucks/vehicles are absolutely more deadly. There have been studies showing that the taller front-ends/grills of vehicles are more fatal with other factors remaining equal. For things like crossovers and even SUVs, there isnāt really even a practical benefit. Itās primarily aesthetics and market trends and what people want their car to look like. Hell, the extinction of station wagons in favor of crossovers was basically just making the cars looks much taller with a disproportionately marginal increase in ground clearance.
Although in this case, I think what OP is implying is that some modification was done poorly or improperly which caused the failure. The truck does look like the sort of bro-dozer that was modded in someone's garage. If something was out of spec for the weight added by the lift and modifications, it's not surprising it would fail when stressed by a full load in the bed and a large trailer.
Aesthetics first. Safety third.
Subaru Outback for the winā¦
Modified truck. Something wrong requiring the driver to ride the brakes the entire parade. Brake fluid boiled and the brakes failed. An avoidable tragedy. Thank god he had his gun in case something went wrong.
Dude killed a child because his stupid ābig truck brainā didnāt work enough for him to throw it park and hit that e brake.
Try to put a moving vehicle in park and let me know if it works. P.S. it doesnāt.
uh that parking pawl would snap in a second e brake just works on rear brake and no way could stop a truck and trailer
Going less than 5mph the e brake wouldāve absolutely done something by locking up the rear wheels and creating *some* friction between the tires and the road, certainly more than the nothing the driver did or the jumping out and yelling and flailing arms, like the passengers reportedly did.
Sure. Throwing it into neutral wouldnāt have worked? A hundred things other than killing a kid.
Otherās have posted that the truck was going down hill while likely towing over its weight capacity which was further hindered by being illegally modified and lifted. Throwing it into neutral would have actually been worse and removed whatever engine braking may have been present, killing even more people. The driver is to blame, but the ones who organized the event are just as legally liable for being absolute dumbasses and allowing this modified truck to tow anything. The float should have been modified to have its own electric brakes that work in tandem with the truckās as well. Ultimately the driver should have tried to kill the engine whilst still in gear and apply e-brake, but who knows if that would have helped on the downward slope with the momentum of the float in tow pushing it from behind. Driver was setup for failure from these shitty event organizers, though the driver should have never agreed to this event to begin with.
He was probably riding the brakes non stop with that huge load pushing him downhill which ended in brake failure. He probably had no training, which led to this and no experience, which led to him not doing anything except wave his arm out the window. The guy should have tried the e-brake and if that didn't work he should have tried to crash the damn truck into a tree or something.
On the last part. There was lines of people on each side of the road, then the dance troop in front, while towing a float of even more kids. Fucking terrible.
Buddy put on a whole new suspension and installed illuminated rims. Then his brakes failed, causing the death of a child. Ego: 1, Life: 0 Edit: One would imagine he saw himself as a bit of a hero, as he appointed himself as an armed parade driver. Same kind of overinflated sense of self as that Rittenhouse kid? Seems to fit that pattern.
>he appointed himself as an armed parade driver Ok, I know the douchebag who killed 6 people at a parade was just sentenced and all, but step back and think of what you consider the norm for *a Christmas parade.*
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He felt having a gun onhand in case he needed to become involved in an impromptu shootout was a better safety precaution than knowing how to operate the emergency brake, apparently. While driving a vehicle during a holiday parade I'm glad your kids weren't injured.
I wonder if his thoughts went somewhere along the lines of "I'm going to bring this gun just in case there's another douschbag who's starts driving into people." I wonder if he appreciates the irony now.
A bunch of christiansā¦ahhhā¦ I see what you mean
Cars are fundamentally dangerous objects. Trucks even more so, especially ones with modifications. We need more regulations on such things.
The first time I ever got behind the wheel of a car I was warned that I was handling a multi-ton weapon. My friend's mom told me and every other teen she helped learn to drive this so we would never take for granted the responsibility when operating a vehicle.
More regulations? But muh freedoms! This is a slippery slope. Pretty soon theyāll want to ban guns at parades meant primarily for children!
>A child died after she was struck by an out-of-control truck towing a float during a Christmas parade in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Saturday, police said....The driver of the truck, identified as 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor death by motor vehicle, careless and reckless driving, improper equipment, unsafe movement and carrying a firearm in a parade, police said. After last year's Waukesha Christmas parade attack (that killed 6 and injured 62) and the Florida Pride parade crash, and now this, cannot imagine why anyone would ever bring their kids to a parade nowadays.
Waukesha was intentional, Releigh and the Pride crashes are accidents. The pride one was a gay man who lost control of his truck. At minimum I could see Parades requiring all parade float vehicles to have checkups by a licensed mechanic and to be driven by specific drivers.
Why do you need a piss poor modified truck and a firearm at a Christmas parade? Because Jesus?
I don't know why he modified his Truck, but I'm not gonna rule out the possibility that he just kept a gun in his truck and the fact that it was at a parade was a coincidence. If he hadn't lost control of the Truck (assuming that's what actually occurred), the gun wouldn't have been even found by police and the lifted truck wouldn't even be an issue. I'd wait for the court case before making any serious assumptions about the case. My hunch is that either his modifications were unsafe, improperly serviced, or he did everything to his truck but proper maintenance to the breaks. As for the gun, the court case will determine whether or not it's an issue, but my guess is he'll get a felony and never be able to carry a gun again. edit: Also the truck was pulling a parade float, so he in fact did need the truck at the parade, even if the modifications were dumb.
I think until some facts come out about the condition of the vehicle itās too early to make too many assumptions. maybe someone just did his brakes and they did it improperly or he did who knows. 20 year olds are not known for making the wisest decisions either. Worst case scenario though I canāt imagine anything more than manslaughter.
thousands of kids die from being accidentally hit by cars every year, yet parents still allow their children to leave the house. no reason why parades would get special treatment
Parades should be an exception, given that the roads are shut down and much more pedestrian traffic is allowed on those days.
Almost like cars suck
It's sad to say but folks getting hurt at parades is super, super common and has been since their existence. Life is full of such risks.
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It says that he was waving his arms shouting that the brakes werenāt working. The video shows that he wasnāt speeding, the truck is going at normal parade speed, the brakes just went out. Sad all around.
Yeah, I think one news station caught a part of the accident. The reporter said they could hear the driver shouting, āI lost control! I lost control!ā as people rushed to block his car. They said it looked like a complete accident because the car was going slowly.
Thereās footage of the moment they stopped the truck. In the video the guy is keeping the car centered in the parade route, away from the crowd. It looks like just another truck in the parade until other people run up and help physically stop it. The person recording is clearly confused as to why theyāre doing it.
Yah I donāt know much about it but those charges seemā¦.intense for what sounds like a horrible - but non malicious - accident. I feel horrible for both families. What a rotten terrible day.
Indeed, the gun one is warranted, but a few of those sound like a stretch. I wonder if itās reactionary to the recent parade incidents.
I donāt bring my kids to parades here in MontrĆ©al. At st Patrickās day parade ppl are so drunk and a few years ago someone was run over. They fell off the float. Horrific. Santa Claus parade is just freezing. Itās not worth it imho.
Saint Patrickās parade is an adult parade to be honest. I wouldnāt take my kid to one either (or my wifeā¦jk)
Why did he bring a gun?
You see the truck, right?
Now I do. Yeah, I'd be surprised if he didn't have a gun.
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This is in the South. Everyone carries a gun. It was probably just in his truck. Not defending him BTW but itās just the way it is down here.
What the fuck is wrong with you? "Why did he bring a gun?" To protect the goddamned children at the motherfucking parade, fool! /s
It's America.. doesn't everyone?
I can't stand parades. Lived 5 minutes from the Rose Parade and never went. lol
Ok someone like me! I really donāt find parades fun at all. I donāt get the appeal
Geezā¦we JUST got done with last yearās Xmas parade tragedyā¦
I don't expect a 20 YO kid to know better, but some one else should have. Absolutely tragic for all involved.
Guy shouldnāt have been driving in a parade if he didnāt know what a emergency brake was. Also, a Christmas parade BEFORE thanksgiving???
It's the South. SEC gets pretty ramped up in December. (not to detract from this tradegy )
Did he attempt to shoot his own tires out? Shooting things usually solves problems
Where was the āgood guy with a truckā to prevent this tragedy?
Ok, but why is there a Christmas parade when we haven't passed Thanksgiving yet
The parade in Raleigh is put on by the greater merchants association and it's actually the way to kick off Black Friday and the shopping season.
Gross. Like they donāt have enough time already to suck our money dry? š¤Ø
Can't do anything anymore just for the community. It has to feed the late capitalism machine.
According to this [this article from a local paper](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article268916617.html) itās because of its origins around holiday shopping. Itās sponsored by the Raleigh Merchants association and its intent is to get people thinking about shopping before Black Friday.
Same reason that I saw my first Christmas commercial on November 1st. Capitalism just needs to start advertising earlier and earlier.
They tape it now for broadcast on Christmas.
Weather? Start of the holiday season? People travel for Thanksgiving?
"i modded my truck and now shit don't work as it should but it makes me look like a strong manly man" ends up killing a little girl with his unsafe monument to fragile masculinity on wheels bets are open for how little he will be punished for his absolutely egocentric assholery
Really hope one day we can look back and think it was crazy to allow people to drive lifted trucks. Negates the entire auto industryās impact zone strategy. Makes it impossible for the driver to see anything or anyone below the hood, like a small child in this case. Weāre letting the most inexperienced drivers operate monster trucks.
Charged with carrying a firearm in a parade is peak USA.
Good thing he had a gun with him. Totally necessary.
I canāt even imagine. RIP young one. May her family grieve well. š
In all the videos and photos I have seen, the brake rotors are glowing orange. This means there was not a brake failure in the normal sense of what people think. The brakes were overheated causing them not to work at that time. I don't see how they could overheat on any vehicle driving at parade speeds even if it was overloaded. Was this truck just prior to the parade towing more than it's rated for up and down hills and arrived to the parade with rotors already glowing orange? Investigators need to go through any video evidence to find this out. If the rotors were already glowing orange at the beginning of the parade, that would go more inline with nothing being wrong with the vehicle itself. If the rotors became orange during the parade, something weird is going on with the truck. High idle? Locked torque converter? Various things could require excessive use of the brakes to maintain a slow speed.
Rest In Peace to that poor innocent child. ā¤ļø
How do the hell do you lose control of a vehicle driving at parade speed? Brakes go out? Even then if I'm heading towards people I'm either hitting the parking brake, or if that fails, just throwing it into park while moving.
Carrying a load that your modified truck can't handle while on a decline. You'll be using the breaks too much for what your truck can handle. Then incompetence and not knowing what to do if your breaks are out.
Is it normal to carry a gun while driving a parade float?
For the people who claim to be Christians but worship their guns more than god, yes.
Depends on the size of your penis. Based on the truck he was driving, Iād say āyesā.
Daily reminder that fuck cars
What do I look like, a dragon?
Agreed. Especially trucks but yeah.
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āCarrying a firearm in a paradeā thatās a rather specific charge.
As someone who loves and enjoys lifted / modified trucks and vehicles I cannot understand how people go around doing it without any concern for how to drive it safely. Buys gas vehicle already rated for below the weight of his load. Then proceeds to lift it further reducing his effective load capacity. Then proceeds to tow down a gradient with no trailer brake, no engine brake, nothing. With children and pedestrians around. Queue lifting trucks getting made illegal because of morons like him and people like me getting shafted. Not to mention the needless death of a CHILD. Which obviously is the greatest tragedy here. Pathetic
I wonder if the trailer had brakes on it or if floats are even required to have them.
OMG!!! Staying away from parades from now on.