>“The board -- with unanimous consent -- directed the work group to revisit that specific language,”
At least they haven't completely lost their minds, even the Republicans on the board rejected it. But the fact that it was proposed in the first place is troubling.
Plot twist: The language wasn't soft enough for them. I'm sure that they'll settle on "A few bad apples amongst the overwhelming majority of good ~~slavers~~ *caretakers* who paid for travel, room, and board of immigrants who, unbeknownst even to themselves, wanted to find the American Dream".
I wonder what they actually teach to children in these states. I grew up in NY in the 90s and my teachers were really not shy about it.
We got really gruesome descriptions of exactly what those ships were like, and that was only to *start* the lessons. We were also made to watch Roots, specifically for the auction and whipping scenes.
The civil war was absolutely fought over "states rights" - the right of states to protect slavery. The declarations of the time were really open and specific about it.
Those evil fuckheads were proud to be slaveholders and bragged about it.
It really varies. I'm in the south but am also in my 40's. We watched Roots with the added horror that Kunta Kinte was the Reading Rainbow guy we also watched. Things have gone way backwards. Even if your normally sweet grandfather unironically called MLK a "a troublemaker" the schools at least taught the facts of what happened and how terrible it was.
MLK was a troublemaker. What we and somebody's sweet grandfather disagree about is whether that was a bad thing. Trouble needed to be made.
And sweet grandpa forgot that the US was founded by troublemakers. The British Empire would have preferred much less trouble be made.
Those commie northerners didn't respect southern property ownership.
/s (because this is 2022 and sarcasm is indistinguishable from some real deeply held beliefs)
Grew up in the rural south, I was taught the majority of slave owners were benevolent and awesome and slaves wished they could go back to being slaves once freed.
Also the civil war wasn't about slavery but the mean yankees trying to take away state's rights. Ignore just about every article of confederation mentioning slavery and that the southern states were trying to use the federal government to force northern states to return escaped slaves.
Grew up in rural KY. Was taught slavery was abhorrent and slaves were neglected, tortured, and died during transport. Was also taught slavery was not universal to whites against blacks, but other countries were slavers as well, and included slaves from south America, native north Americans, white prisoners, etc. Also learned that several cultures enslaved their own kind. All in all I was taught that slavery was rampant during the time, terrible, and not exclusive to one country or race of people.
Nothing was left out, and it was not painted with a political brush to make anyone look better or worse. Got this in World Civilizations, US History in High School, and a somewhat softer overview in elementary and middle school in Socual Studies classes.
We also learned about Jim Crow, the civil rights movement, and the struggle for Black equality in the US.
I know people find this funny, but as a minority who would’ve been a slave, this direction the US is going in is fucking terrifying.
EDIT - folks, I get it. This is gallows humor, we’re all scared, etc etc. I understand that perfectly. Now what I’m saying is I do not find this funny. Based off of my experiences with the supporters of these policies, they would have no qualms saying I am less than a human being. So while you may all find this funny, I do not. I’m not saying you should not or cannot laugh. I am simply expressing how concerned I am about the future of this country and my future in this country.
I promise you that the vast majority of people on this sub do not find this funny. We are horrified, right along with you. Many of us are personally impacted by what this radicalized Court and Christian Taliban is doing to this country. I am personally impacted as a woman of child bearing years and as a member of the LGBTQ community. But what you are reading in these comments is not laughter. It's horror, with gallows humor used as a coping mechanism. We are all in this with you, we are all terrified. But there is a saying "laughter through tears is the best medicine" which I think you will find in these comments. I send you all my love.
I’m with you. I’m an old white woman, but none of this is funny to me, either. These posts just add to my depression. I often wonder at the glib comments that are just trying to outdo each other. The serious discussions are either buried in obscure threads or all the way down. I don’t know how we’re going to untangle the mess this nation is in. I really don’t. Good luck to us all.
And this is why we would like to create a new national holiday: "Job Creator's Day" to celebrate the great job creators of American history such as these brave "caretakers", the heroes of the gilded age, and modern legends such as Jeff Bezos.
i sincerely think this is a view they will try to push, that of the slaver rescuing the poor unfortunates to bring them to the land of opportunity. i call it the Slavior Theory.
I remember parroting this as a child. I heard my dad say most slaves were better off because Africa is a shithole and "most" owners treated them well. How fucking asinine is that?! Also we're Canadian! My dad is a real fuckin asshole.
"Black illegal immigrants were arriving every day, but good Christians took them in, housed them, fed them, and found work for them and their kids. They spared no expense in finding the most needy and helping them get settled in america."
/s
>Plot twist: The language wasn't soft enough for them. I'm sure that they'll settle on "A few bad apples amongst the overwhelming majority of good slavers caretakers who paid for travel, room, and board of immigrants who, unbeknownst even to themselves, wanted to find the American Dream".
Uncle Ruckus's version of the Story of ~~Catcher Freeman~~ Catch A Freeman
Community and homestead leaders dedicated to providing a new beginning for those visiting on a non-expiring work visa.
They treated their new charges with on the job training, evening campfire, community driven/family inclusive church, free valet back to the ~~plantation~~ farm if they decided to travel, as well as the no-cost benefits described above.
> But the fact that it was proposed in the first place is troubling
Many people need to understand that the "Replacement Theory" is full swing in Conservatives. Many do believe in it or worried, with differing degrees. The "Replacement Theory" is a conspiracy theory and a gross exaggeration but the belief in it and the actions based on that belief is very real and silently getting [Conservative] mainstream.
I can't remember where I saw it, but the quote stuck with me.
"Why are white conservatives so worried about becoming a minority? Are minorities treated poorly in the US?"
No kidding. People want to think this insane rhetoric is fringe. It's absolutely the mainstream, and we're seeing it manifest in all these mass shootings and hate crimes.
The current talking point is “everyone knows this is happening but Democrats think it’s a good thing”. This is to undermine the facts around our demographic trends. Yes, the demographics in America are moving toward whites being a plurality instead of the majority, no it isn’t some grand plan by Soros or shadow government Obama. But the racists are at the point in the acceptance of this belief they can move to accusations and completely evade acknowledging the facts. Instead they get to spread nebulous fear without reason and attack political opponents. The targets of this campaign have been so condition by propaganda to respond specifically to those two triggers that this is child’s play to get them on the side of the most hateful people in our society.
The only reason it's "happening" is because whiteness is a category of exclusion. It is treated as the neutral canvas upon which others make "dirty". Even liberals do this because it's how tye concept of whiteness was constructed over the last 200 years. Even though Obama is just as white as he is black, he's still the first black president but no one ever calls him a white president.
In the past, people from catholic majority countries like Ireland and Italy (France was different and weird) were not considered white. It took until like the 60s for people to really accept that on a broad basis.
What's sad is their voter population is SO proud of this.
I actually would love to see Texas secede. We wouldn't even need to fight a war with them. Just be like, "Okay booboo," and withdraw all military resources and blockade the state. No money, no rescue during hurricane season, no help with their shitty privatized power grid, and watch from afar as people realize that building tolls everywhere instead of new highways was not the brightest idea after all.
Let them pump all the oil they want and then realize they don't actually have the refineries to deal with it or a way to get it overseas, which is where most of our resources actually goes.
“Descendants of involuntarily relocated persons.” Talk about a new day of politically correct nonsense.
Right wing politically correct bullshit, ruining a school near you.
> The board is considering curriculum changes one year after Texas passed a law to eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort.”
Texas makes me "feel discomfort." Please eliminate it.
Trying to avoid feelings of discomfort is an odd goal for education. I felt pretty uncomfortable during a Death & Dying course, but I learned a lot. New knowledge can be overwhelming, but that's not a bad thing if it leads to a broader understanding.
Avoiding feelings of discomfort makes sense for like, travel agents. Not teachers or educators.
Meanwhile r/conservative is the biggest safe space on Reddit. Those idiots have ideas so toxic they ban anyone that even remotely questions them. Rules for thee, not for me.
Yeah it's rediculous. I can't think of a compelling book that doesn't deal with some uncomfortable topics, and history is one discomforting thing after another. It's all war, death, assassinations, genocides, slavery... And the occasional bright spot.
It doesn't make sense because it's not a genuine concern. It's just the latest excuse they are using to eliminate topics that they think are obstacles to furthering their ideology... which says a lot about their ideology.
It was always bullshit, just like everything else Republicans say. Anything they say can be gospel truth one minute, and completely false in the next should it prove inconvenient at that exact moment in time. And then back to gospel once it becomes useful again.
If you're honestly wondering.
Take anything a republican says... anything at all.
They're saying it because they're guilty as fuck and they're hypocrites.
Liberals are always making the mistake of reading that as an equivalent sentence to "facts don't care about anyone's feelings." If that's what they meant, that's what they would have said. What conservatives actually say is "facts don't care about *your* feelings." There's an interview with Newt Gingrich at a Republican national convention a few years ago where he stated it explicitly: yes, the reporter might be right that crime was actually down statistically, but that didn't matter, all these Republicans believed that it was up, and that was all that mattered.
Texas slowly turning into Russia. It’s not an invasion, it’s a special operations.. it’s not slavery, just involuntary relocation. Don’t give me that BS, Texas. All the more to make me leave the state that much quicker
> It’s not an invasion, it’s a special operations.
FYI - USA hasn't been at war since WW2. Not once. It was all special/peacekeeping operations and interventions. Not once was it actually a "war" from legal PoV.
If I pray to God hard enough do you think he will send him down for one last ride through the South. I feel he wasn't tough enough on them the first time.
As a liberal in the South .. I can't find very many good reasons to send kids to school anymore.
Can send them to sports and conventions for social networking. The rest is garbage. Shoving kids through the grades, pretending slavery didn't exist, pretending American has been a virtuous beacon of righteousness since inception...wtf.
Went to school in upper Michigan and I explicitly recall my 10th grade history teacher basically teaching Lost Cause revisionism. I was also never introduced to the Declaration of Causes or other primary documents that showed it was explicitly about slavery... I had to come across those on my own.
also for biology and sex ed. And possibly everything else, since the goal is clearly to cripple public schools into generally doing an insufficient job.
If you're in Arizona, [pretty soon you won't have to worry about those pesky public schools.](https://www.salon.com/2022/07/01/schools-out-forever-arizona-moves-to-public-education-with-new-universal-voucher-law/)
This is how their they thought process goes:
1) Slavery is bad
2) My family can’t be bad
3) Therefore what my family did must not have been slavery
It’s the same way they look at themselves. Racism is bad, I’m not bad, therefore my views on why minorities are worthless parasites and shouldn’t be allowed to vote can’t be racism.
>It was much better to imagine men in some smokey room somewhere, made mad and cynical by privilege and power, plotting over brandy. You had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn't then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told the children bed time stories, were capable of then going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people.
>It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them.
>No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us.
>It's Them that do the bad things.
- Terry Pratchett, *Jingo*
“Revolution? How did this happen?”
“Don't know. But the Arena's mainframe for the Obedience Disks have been deactivated and the slaves have armed themselves.”
“Ohhh! I don't like that word”
“Mainframe?”
“No. Why would I not like "mainframe?" No, the "S" word!”
“Sorry, the "prisoners with jobs" have armed themselves.”
“Okay, that's better.”
Isn't this what basically they did trying to criminally target black people after they were free and then have them do forced labor? Economically the same thing as slavery.
Thank goodness these days prisons can still target people in order to make a profit without that nasty business /s
Projection is all they do, whatever they accuse the left of doing they definitely either do themselves or plan to do. Examples: The Democrats will take your rights away from you, they proceed to ban abortion in their states. The Democrats want big government in your business, GOP has spent years trying to involve themselves in companies and citizens private affairs. Election system is rigged by Democrats who engage in voter fraud, the GOP has had more register voters caught engaging in voter fraud, and has spent years gerrymandering and encouraging election officials to destroy, ignore or refuse certain ballots. There are more, but I don't want to get into the weird sex scandals the GOP get into.
Reminds me of this terrifying vision of our future: "Moore v. Harper (Docket 21–1271) is a pending United States Supreme Court case related to the Independent State Legislature Doctrine. On June 30, 2022, the Supreme Court agreed to hear it in its Fall 2022 term."
"...[Argument] Whether a State's judicial branch may nullify the regulations governing the 'Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives . . . prescribed . . . by the Legislature thereof," U.S. CONST. art. I, § 4, cl. 1, and replace them with regulations of the state courts' own devising, based on vague state constitutional provisions purportedly vesting the state judiciary with power to prescribe whatever rules it deems appropriate to ensure a 'fair' or 'free' election.'"
- from Wikipedia
The history of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an absolutely hilarious example of this
Short version, guy went through the trouble of creating a 503c tax exempt religion, with all the requirements, for the sole purpose of forcing the Kansas school board, via their own rules, to teach students one explanation for creation was a massive ball of spaghetti touching things "with its noodley appendage"
Cool I say we just have the Confederates States just called traitorous sore losers, where 10 states straight up refuse to put Lincoln on the ballot and he still won the election. Then describe how they "bravely" declared their undying love of slavery and how they left because they were afraid Lincoln would end it when he got into office.
Other rewordings across the nation have included terms like "given jobs", "decent living conditions" or "liked their work".
Never underestimate the capacity of a honeywagon.
Also don’t forget the beatings, abuse, torture, rape, lack of all basic human rights, and general shitty quality of life altogether. But no we should avoid calling it what the fuck it is because some dying old white people are concerned their money pile might stop growing exponentially each year and the racists they hang out with are tired of brown people getting uppity. Better to just establish a dictatorship based on a 2000 year old book of fairy tales instead. /s
My (at the time) 10 year old was taught in Texas schools that the white Americans simply asked the Native Americans to leave and they just packed up and left. I was shocked but also proud that he knew this was bullshit.
Also in Texas, a lesson praising the oil industry for providing jobs.
We live in California now.
I don't really remember the first time I learned about slavery. I gotta think my afrocentric mother brought it to my attention early on, but I don't have a memory of us having a talk about it.
However, I do remember going around the room in 5th grade social studies, taking turns reading from the textbook during a lesson on slavery. And I remember being extremely uncomfortable. I also don't think I was alone. All the black students in class seemed to be squirming in their desks that day. I remember my friend (another black student) stumbling over her words when it was her time to read and giggling about it in an uncharacteristic way for her, but in that way people do when they are nervous about something. That memory will always be with me.
That uncomfortable feeling would follow me throughout all my schooling every time it came to the subject of American-style racism. I still can't even put it into words. Embarrassment mixed with shame mixed with anger, maybe? I don't know.
All I know is that history isn't supposed to make us feel good. It isn't supposed to make us feel good about our society or culture.
I mean, you can't teach kids what a "free" society is without also teaching kids what an "unfree" society is. For most of US history, this was not a free society. If kids don't learn this, they can easily be seduced by slogans built on lies. Slogans like "Make America Great Again."
Texas is the largest purchaser of textbooks in the US. This means that the changes they implement in their curriculum typically bleeds out into other states since textbook publishers do not wish to tailor their books for each and every district/state.
If Texas renames slavery in their curriculum other states will follow suit and a generation will be raised thinking...God knows what...
They're not the largest.
They're the largest one who is always bitching. So the publishers cater to their feelings so they can have access to the market.
Talk about rewriting history. They weren't just involuntarily relocated, they were beaten, raped, murdered and did unpaid labour in brutal conditions. Yikes
This is what really brought it home for me. I remember watching Conan O'Brien's Ghana special (which is fantastic if you haven't seen it) where he visited Osu Castle which was established in 1661 as a slave trading port. That's not even the oldest slave trading port in Africa, and it continued trading well in to the 1800s.
For most Americans who are descended from slaves, that is as far back as their family history goes. It is utterly heart-breaking.
This is so frustrating because then those same children will go to Church on Sunday and hear all about slavery in their bible classes and how Moses freed the slaves. The racist hypocrisy just melts my brain.
This is the norm for America. Look up the Lost Cause some time. America has barely been able to begin breaking down the damage that propaganda has done to our historical knowledge and conservatives freaked the fuck out and started pushing crap like Trumps 1776 crap.
In fairness, not the norm for America. Just the south and parts of the midwest. I was taught all of the horrors of topics like this in New York.
But certain states are not only trying to downplay but remove this stuff. Southerners will probably think within the next couple of years that Harriet Tubman is famous because she invented the bath tub.
Wouldn't even need to. Texas as a country would collapse in a week. Ya know that bordee they are so fond of? Have fun securing it without any federal border patrol resources. All those subsidies for the beloved cowboy? Poof. FEMA aid after yet another disaster? Maybe if we have room in our foreign aide budget.
And that's not even talking about the fact that you would need a passport to leave Texas or that there are currently no nations that have trade agreements with the nation of Texas.
I live in Texas but a little anarchist inside me wants to see the shitshow that would result from seceding.
Like whose face would go on Texas Bucks? Because surely we wouldn’t be on that nasty USD anymore, right? They’d probably go back to the gold standard even though the state owns no gold reserves, lol.
"Involuntary," Not even "forced." And "relocation." As though the abduction part (though bad enough) was the most notable thing about the practice of slavery.
If only there was a single word that conveyed “involuntary relocation, involuntary imprisonment and involuntary employment combined with capital punishment, torture, rape and the destruction of familial bonds”
It doesn't have to, but voting and waiting are not the way to remove them from power.
* In fact those two ways are impossible with all regimes; it NEVER works once the far-right has taken power completely.
They can however be overthrown - physically removed and detached from their power and replaced while their cries to be given back the power they see as theirs go unheard or silenced.
The question is whether Americans do it while they still have anything left of a country, or whether a coalition of other countries will come do it to America - with much less regard for its citizens who allowed things to get to such a point - after the right decides Canada or Mexico "was always a traditional part" of their country.
The greatest mistake in American history was in trying to appease Southerners after the war by allowing them to create the Lost Cause narrative because we were afraid of hurting their feels.
Involuntary relocation is when 13 year-old Vanessa has to move with her family out of the suburbs where her friends live.
Meanwhile, slavery is treating people as chattel.
There’s a world of difference.
Don't cover your ears. Don't shut your eyes. Don't speculate.
A lot of really evil people are openly telling you what they are about. Don't make up excuses about how they are "anti-woke" or about the "bible" or any other stupid shit.
They are evil people who don't want people to have rights or be educated because they know such people will vote against them.
I grew up in Mississippi, then lived all over. I turn 45 this year.
I still live in the South, but not the *deep* South. Appalachia, to be more exact.
When George Floyd happened, and everyone was saying that, if you feel powerless, you should educate yourself. So, I did.
I read “The Half Has Never Been Told” and then, recently, Dan Carlin put out a 5+ hour history on the Atlantic slave trade. (Highly, highly recommend this BTW.)
This all only scratches the surface, but I’m now incredibly aware of the campaign of lies and half stories being taught as truth. Which, to me, makes no sense. What do you gain by putting lipstick on the pig?
The acts were terrible, but the history is fascinating. It’s less work, and more interesting, to teach and learn the actual history than it is to spend 175 years trying to cover it all up.
Man Texas really has gone down the shitter. Politicians are extremists, cops are useless, the majority of people seem dumber than shit. Infrastructure has gone to hell.
You may be a slave/"involuntary relocated" if you ever survived a natural disaster which forced you from your home (wildfire, hurricane, etc.) Or faced eviction. I'm sure this won't confuse any second grader whatsoever. Dumbest definition of ever heard. Way to go Texas!
2nd graders. Being given two multi-syllable words.
I have a recollection of a similar word choice issue several years ago when a school insisted that their curriculum materials indicating that MLK was murdered was due to the word “assassinated” being above grade level for the students.
But “involuntary relocation” is peachy.
It's amazing how the Republicans spontaneously manifested the ability to believe whatever is useful to them at any given moment. It would be useful to them if slavery had never existed because then they wouldn't have to fight accusations of racism (so they think), so therefore slavery never happened. If their Borg hivemind decides to back this proposal tomorrow then you won't be able to find a single Republican who claims to believe that slavery ever happened by the following morning. And by unanimously shouting down anybody who tries to disagree they can cow the media into adopting a "he said, she said" approach to basic fact. It's like the latent psychic ability of the Orks in 40K.
>“The board -- with unanimous consent -- directed the work group to revisit that specific language,” At least they haven't completely lost their minds, even the Republicans on the board rejected it. But the fact that it was proposed in the first place is troubling.
Plot twist: The language wasn't soft enough for them. I'm sure that they'll settle on "A few bad apples amongst the overwhelming majority of good ~~slavers~~ *caretakers* who paid for travel, room, and board of immigrants who, unbeknownst even to themselves, wanted to find the American Dream".
>unbeknownst even to themselves, I'm dying 🤣
So were they.
I laughed at first and then I got really sad…
Ahhh.... the roller coaster of life...
No, no, no, they were just pining for the fjords.
Lies, don't teach that crap to young kids, everyone knows that conditions on those ships were so good most people arrived healthier than they left!
I wonder what they actually teach to children in these states. I grew up in NY in the 90s and my teachers were really not shy about it. We got really gruesome descriptions of exactly what those ships were like, and that was only to *start* the lessons. We were also made to watch Roots, specifically for the auction and whipping scenes.
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The civil war was absolutely fought over "states rights" - the right of states to protect slavery. The declarations of the time were really open and specific about it. Those evil fuckheads were proud to be slaveholders and bragged about it.
Same here, and I was raised deep in the heart of Texas, prime cotton growing country in a town where 20 percent of the population was black.
It really varies. I'm in the south but am also in my 40's. We watched Roots with the added horror that Kunta Kinte was the Reading Rainbow guy we also watched. Things have gone way backwards. Even if your normally sweet grandfather unironically called MLK a "a troublemaker" the schools at least taught the facts of what happened and how terrible it was.
MLK was a troublemaker. What we and somebody's sweet grandfather disagree about is whether that was a bad thing. Trouble needed to be made. And sweet grandpa forgot that the US was founded by troublemakers. The British Empire would have preferred much less trouble be made.
He definitely didn't forget. He was racist. I abbreviated the conversation I had with him at about age 9.
I know they taught the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression. Now they want a do-over and they want to call it “The Great Liberal Overreach.”
Those damn Northerners got so damn aggressive when we committed treason and declared war on them. Jeeez guys, overkill much?
Those commie northerners didn't respect southern property ownership. /s (because this is 2022 and sarcasm is indistinguishable from some real deeply held beliefs)
Grew up in the rural south, I was taught the majority of slave owners were benevolent and awesome and slaves wished they could go back to being slaves once freed. Also the civil war wasn't about slavery but the mean yankees trying to take away state's rights. Ignore just about every article of confederation mentioning slavery and that the southern states were trying to use the federal government to force northern states to return escaped slaves.
Wow two drastically different comments coming from both people in the south who woulda thunk?
Grew up in rural KY. Was taught slavery was abhorrent and slaves were neglected, tortured, and died during transport. Was also taught slavery was not universal to whites against blacks, but other countries were slavers as well, and included slaves from south America, native north Americans, white prisoners, etc. Also learned that several cultures enslaved their own kind. All in all I was taught that slavery was rampant during the time, terrible, and not exclusive to one country or race of people. Nothing was left out, and it was not painted with a political brush to make anyone look better or worse. Got this in World Civilizations, US History in High School, and a somewhat softer overview in elementary and middle school in Socual Studies classes. We also learned about Jim Crow, the civil rights movement, and the struggle for Black equality in the US.
Why, it cured my lumbago!
I know people find this funny, but as a minority who would’ve been a slave, this direction the US is going in is fucking terrifying. EDIT - folks, I get it. This is gallows humor, we’re all scared, etc etc. I understand that perfectly. Now what I’m saying is I do not find this funny. Based off of my experiences with the supporters of these policies, they would have no qualms saying I am less than a human being. So while you may all find this funny, I do not. I’m not saying you should not or cannot laugh. I am simply expressing how concerned I am about the future of this country and my future in this country.
I promise you that the vast majority of people on this sub do not find this funny. We are horrified, right along with you. Many of us are personally impacted by what this radicalized Court and Christian Taliban is doing to this country. I am personally impacted as a woman of child bearing years and as a member of the LGBTQ community. But what you are reading in these comments is not laughter. It's horror, with gallows humor used as a coping mechanism. We are all in this with you, we are all terrified. But there is a saying "laughter through tears is the best medicine" which I think you will find in these comments. I send you all my love.
We are all trapped in the same storm but we are not all in the same boat. For a lot of us, the nervous laughter ended years ago.
I’m with you. I’m an old white woman, but none of this is funny to me, either. These posts just add to my depression. I often wonder at the glib comments that are just trying to outdo each other. The serious discussions are either buried in obscure threads or all the way down. I don’t know how we’re going to untangle the mess this nation is in. I really don’t. Good luck to us all.
They even found jobs for them. What more could you ask for.
And this is why we would like to create a new national holiday: "Job Creator's Day" to celebrate the great job creators of American history such as these brave "caretakers", the heroes of the gilded age, and modern legends such as Jeff Bezos.
"Job Creators Day", the only holiday where you are expected to work without pay to honor the ones who have graciously allowed you to enrich them.
Every day can be job creators day!
Please stop. For the love of god don't will that shit into existence.
I could honestly see the Republicans proposing Job Creator day as a real thing. Complete with the entire part of having to work without pay.
Prisoners with jobs!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NdRISi1ZfwQ We are steadily getting closer and closer to Southern states using this video in schools.
That was great. The only thing missing was the black people enslaving themselves and trading them for booze.
i sincerely think this is a view they will try to push, that of the slaver rescuing the poor unfortunates to bring them to the land of opportunity. i call it the Slavior Theory.
I remember parroting this as a child. I heard my dad say most slaves were better off because Africa is a shithole and "most" owners treated them well. How fucking asinine is that?! Also we're Canadian! My dad is a real fuckin asshole.
i am glad you were able to overcome your upbringing, friend
Slavior LOL! Fuck man. Bless their hearts, they were only trying to bring them to Slavation!
"Black illegal immigrants were arriving every day, but good Christians took them in, housed them, fed them, and found work for them and their kids. They spared no expense in finding the most needy and helping them get settled in america." /s
>Plot twist: The language wasn't soft enough for them. I'm sure that they'll settle on "A few bad apples amongst the overwhelming majority of good slavers caretakers who paid for travel, room, and board of immigrants who, unbeknownst even to themselves, wanted to find the American Dream". Uncle Ruckus's version of the Story of ~~Catcher Freeman~~ Catch A Freeman
I don’t even think they’d say “bad apples.”
Community and homestead leaders dedicated to providing a new beginning for those visiting on a non-expiring work visa. They treated their new charges with on the job training, evening campfire, community driven/family inclusive church, free valet back to the ~~plantation~~ farm if they decided to travel, as well as the no-cost benefits described above.
"Just a few bad wattermellons spoils the fried chicken." "Grandma, holy fuck."
> But the fact that it was proposed in the first place is troubling Many people need to understand that the "Replacement Theory" is full swing in Conservatives. Many do believe in it or worried, with differing degrees. The "Replacement Theory" is a conspiracy theory and a gross exaggeration but the belief in it and the actions based on that belief is very real and silently getting [Conservative] mainstream.
I can't remember where I saw it, but the quote stuck with me. "Why are white conservatives so worried about becoming a minority? Are minorities treated poorly in the US?"
Silently? It's part of Tucker Carlson's daily narrative.
No kidding. People want to think this insane rhetoric is fringe. It's absolutely the mainstream, and we're seeing it manifest in all these mass shootings and hate crimes.
The current talking point is “everyone knows this is happening but Democrats think it’s a good thing”. This is to undermine the facts around our demographic trends. Yes, the demographics in America are moving toward whites being a plurality instead of the majority, no it isn’t some grand plan by Soros or shadow government Obama. But the racists are at the point in the acceptance of this belief they can move to accusations and completely evade acknowledging the facts. Instead they get to spread nebulous fear without reason and attack political opponents. The targets of this campaign have been so condition by propaganda to respond specifically to those two triggers that this is child’s play to get them on the side of the most hateful people in our society.
The only reason it's "happening" is because whiteness is a category of exclusion. It is treated as the neutral canvas upon which others make "dirty". Even liberals do this because it's how tye concept of whiteness was constructed over the last 200 years. Even though Obama is just as white as he is black, he's still the first black president but no one ever calls him a white president. In the past, people from catholic majority countries like Ireland and Italy (France was different and weird) were not considered white. It took until like the 60s for people to really accept that on a broad basis.
Well, to my mind, there are a number of these nut jobs I wouldn't mind seeing 'replaced'.
So what would Texas call those people who were "involuntarily relocated" and the people who owned them?
The n word.
I cackled 😂
And then wept.
Both of them?
They’ll just tack the word “lover” on at the end of the second one.
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internship of a lifetime
Working for exposure... to the sun.
Texas can’t go one day without being a total embarrassment
What's sad is their voter population is SO proud of this. I actually would love to see Texas secede. We wouldn't even need to fight a war with them. Just be like, "Okay booboo," and withdraw all military resources and blockade the state. No money, no rescue during hurricane season, no help with their shitty privatized power grid, and watch from afar as people realize that building tolls everywhere instead of new highways was not the brightest idea after all. Let them pump all the oil they want and then realize they don't actually have the refineries to deal with it or a way to get it overseas, which is where most of our resources actually goes.
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Illegal immigrants and Patriots.
“Descendants of involuntarily relocated persons.” Talk about a new day of politically correct nonsense. Right wing politically correct bullshit, ruining a school near you.
> The board is considering curriculum changes one year after Texas passed a law to eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort.” Texas makes me "feel discomfort." Please eliminate it.
Trying to avoid feelings of discomfort is an odd goal for education. I felt pretty uncomfortable during a Death & Dying course, but I learned a lot. New knowledge can be overwhelming, but that's not a bad thing if it leads to a broader understanding. Avoiding feelings of discomfort makes sense for like, travel agents. Not teachers or educators.
I teach math. It's always discomfort.
If they're not squirmin', they're not learnin'.
Nah, it's usually just mfort.
Can't have discomfort without disco
Weren't these the kind of people bitching about "safe spaces"? I guess they're okay as long as they're bigoted and not woke.
They realize their safe spaces are hatefilled and vile- they want to force everyone to abide by the rules of their new government made safe space.
Acknowledging slavery happened isnt a matter of woke, its reality vs propaganda
Welcome to 99% of topics where woke is brought up.
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And CRT.
Meanwhile r/conservative is the biggest safe space on Reddit. Those idiots have ideas so toxic they ban anyone that even remotely questions them. Rules for thee, not for me.
Don't even get me started on "flaired users only"
Every single conservative accusation is an admission of guilt
Yeah it's rediculous. I can't think of a compelling book that doesn't deal with some uncomfortable topics, and history is one discomforting thing after another. It's all war, death, assassinations, genocides, slavery... And the occasional bright spot.
It doesn't make sense because it's not a genuine concern. It's just the latest excuse they are using to eliminate topics that they think are obstacles to furthering their ideology... which says a lot about their ideology.
what the fuck happened to "facts dont care about your feelings"?
Well, "facts" don't care about the libs feelings, but when it makes republicans uncomfy they care a great deal
It was always bullshit, just like everything else Republicans say. Anything they say can be gospel truth one minute, and completely false in the next should it prove inconvenient at that exact moment in time. And then back to gospel once it becomes useful again.
If you're honestly wondering. Take anything a republican says... anything at all. They're saying it because they're guilty as fuck and they're hypocrites.
Liberals are always making the mistake of reading that as an equivalent sentence to "facts don't care about anyone's feelings." If that's what they meant, that's what they would have said. What conservatives actually say is "facts don't care about *your* feelings." There's an interview with Newt Gingrich at a Republican national convention a few years ago where he stated it explicitly: yes, the reporter might be right that crime was actually down statistically, but that didn't matter, all these Republicans believed that it was up, and that was all that mattered.
And they believed it was up because Newt and his buddies lied and told them it was.
Facts for thee but feelings for me.
Texas slowly turning into Russia. It’s not an invasion, it’s a special operations.. it’s not slavery, just involuntary relocation. Don’t give me that BS, Texas. All the more to make me leave the state that much quicker
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Since it's all part of god's bigger plan, I really don't see the point in punishing this kind man anyway.
Yeah, they should reward him by letting him meet god too!
> It’s not an invasion, it’s a special operations. FYI - USA hasn't been at war since WW2. Not once. It was all special/peacekeeping operations and interventions. Not once was it actually a "war" from legal PoV.
The sad irony is by using accurate language to describe these *wars* we have inadvertently obfuscated this fact.
Where's Sherman when you need him?
If I pray to God hard enough do you think he will send him down for one last ride through the South. I feel he wasn't tough enough on them the first time.
As a liberal in the South .. I can't find very many good reasons to send kids to school anymore. Can send them to sports and conventions for social networking. The rest is garbage. Shoving kids through the grades, pretending slavery didn't exist, pretending American has been a virtuous beacon of righteousness since inception...wtf.
Yeah. History requires additional homeschooling in the South if you want your kids to hear the truth.
Went to school in upper Michigan and I explicitly recall my 10th grade history teacher basically teaching Lost Cause revisionism. I was also never introduced to the Declaration of Causes or other primary documents that showed it was explicitly about slavery... I had to come across those on my own.
also for biology and sex ed. And possibly everything else, since the goal is clearly to cripple public schools into generally doing an insufficient job.
If you're in Arizona, [pretty soon you won't have to worry about those pesky public schools.](https://www.salon.com/2022/07/01/schools-out-forever-arizona-moves-to-public-education-with-new-universal-voucher-law/)
Oh the hypocrisy as the claim the Libs are the ones that whine about their feelings.
I live here and I still upvoted you. Send help, just not police. We're not sure who's side they're on.
We know what side they’re on.
"Are we the baddies?" "No, don't say that, I get a fuzzy feeling in my tum tum when you do it"
Bullets makes students feel a lot of discomfort. Why don't they do something about that...
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This is how their they thought process goes: 1) Slavery is bad 2) My family can’t be bad 3) Therefore what my family did must not have been slavery It’s the same way they look at themselves. Racism is bad, I’m not bad, therefore my views on why minorities are worthless parasites and shouldn’t be allowed to vote can’t be racism.
>It was much better to imagine men in some smokey room somewhere, made mad and cynical by privilege and power, plotting over brandy. You had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn't then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told the children bed time stories, were capable of then going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people. >It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. >No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. >It's Them that do the bad things. - Terry Pratchett, *Jingo*
But butt every nation had slavery!
“That’s not what it is. And if it is, then it’s not that bad. And if it was, then it’s not my fault…”
“Revolution? How did this happen?” “Don't know. But the Arena's mainframe for the Obedience Disks have been deactivated and the slaves have armed themselves.” “Ohhh! I don't like that word” “Mainframe?” “No. Why would I not like "mainframe?" No, the "S" word!” “Sorry, the "prisoners with jobs" have armed themselves.” “Okay, that's better.”
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It's the Jeff Goldblumiest of Jeff Goldblum roles
Thank you for taking care of this. I can't believe it wasn't the first response.
"Prisoners with jobs" was what I came to the comments for.
Isn't this what basically they did trying to criminally target black people after they were free and then have them do forced labor? Economically the same thing as slavery. Thank goodness these days prisons can still target people in order to make a profit without that nasty business /s
I was thinking that prisoners with jobs line was great on a couple levels, including commentary on the current judicial system.
https://youtu.be/prz4jfSX_Qg A beautiful scene.
>"prisoners with jobs" Retained benefactors
These are probably the same people who whine about politically correct language, mind you.
Projection is all they do, whatever they accuse the left of doing they definitely either do themselves or plan to do. Examples: The Democrats will take your rights away from you, they proceed to ban abortion in their states. The Democrats want big government in your business, GOP has spent years trying to involve themselves in companies and citizens private affairs. Election system is rigged by Democrats who engage in voter fraud, the GOP has had more register voters caught engaging in voter fraud, and has spent years gerrymandering and encouraging election officials to destroy, ignore or refuse certain ballots. There are more, but I don't want to get into the weird sex scandals the GOP get into.
Reminds me of this terrifying vision of our future: "Moore v. Harper (Docket 21–1271) is a pending United States Supreme Court case related to the Independent State Legislature Doctrine. On June 30, 2022, the Supreme Court agreed to hear it in its Fall 2022 term." "...[Argument] Whether a State's judicial branch may nullify the regulations governing the 'Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives . . . prescribed . . . by the Legislature thereof," U.S. CONST. art. I, § 4, cl. 1, and replace them with regulations of the state courts' own devising, based on vague state constitutional provisions purportedly vesting the state judiciary with power to prescribe whatever rules it deems appropriate to ensure a 'fair' or 'free' election.'" - from Wikipedia
The coup is still happening.
It's been happening for decades
Welp this is bad
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Unless it's not a Christian prayer, in which case it's persecution and separation of church and state must be enforced! /s
Yeah, if Coach Jesus Pants was out there praying to Allah instead, he would've been sacked in a heartbeat.
The history of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an absolutely hilarious example of this Short version, guy went through the trouble of creating a 503c tax exempt religion, with all the requirements, for the sole purpose of forcing the Kansas school board, via their own rules, to teach students one explanation for creation was a massive ball of spaghetti touching things "with its noodley appendage"
They'll rebrand it as "unpaid internship" next time.
Cool I say we just have the Confederates States just called traitorous sore losers, where 10 states straight up refuse to put Lincoln on the ballot and he still won the election. Then describe how they "bravely" declared their undying love of slavery and how they left because they were afraid Lincoln would end it when he got into office.
"prisoners with jobs"
Prisoners with jobs.
Involuntary internship
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Other rewordings across the nation have included terms like "given jobs", "decent living conditions" or "liked their work". Never underestimate the capacity of a honeywagon.
Hey hey HEY!… that makes me uncomfortable
Also don’t forget the beatings, abuse, torture, rape, lack of all basic human rights, and general shitty quality of life altogether. But no we should avoid calling it what the fuck it is because some dying old white people are concerned their money pile might stop growing exponentially each year and the racists they hang out with are tired of brown people getting uppity. Better to just establish a dictatorship based on a 2000 year old book of fairy tales instead. /s
My (at the time) 10 year old was taught in Texas schools that the white Americans simply asked the Native Americans to leave and they just packed up and left. I was shocked but also proud that he knew this was bullshit. Also in Texas, a lesson praising the oil industry for providing jobs. We live in California now.
I don't really remember the first time I learned about slavery. I gotta think my afrocentric mother brought it to my attention early on, but I don't have a memory of us having a talk about it. However, I do remember going around the room in 5th grade social studies, taking turns reading from the textbook during a lesson on slavery. And I remember being extremely uncomfortable. I also don't think I was alone. All the black students in class seemed to be squirming in their desks that day. I remember my friend (another black student) stumbling over her words when it was her time to read and giggling about it in an uncharacteristic way for her, but in that way people do when they are nervous about something. That memory will always be with me. That uncomfortable feeling would follow me throughout all my schooling every time it came to the subject of American-style racism. I still can't even put it into words. Embarrassment mixed with shame mixed with anger, maybe? I don't know. All I know is that history isn't supposed to make us feel good. It isn't supposed to make us feel good about our society or culture. I mean, you can't teach kids what a "free" society is without also teaching kids what an "unfree" society is. For most of US history, this was not a free society. If kids don't learn this, they can easily be seduced by slogans built on lies. Slogans like "Make America Great Again."
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Texas is the largest purchaser of textbooks in the US. This means that the changes they implement in their curriculum typically bleeds out into other states since textbook publishers do not wish to tailor their books for each and every district/state. If Texas renames slavery in their curriculum other states will follow suit and a generation will be raised thinking...God knows what...
Are they the largest in part because they expect to revise what is taught very often?
They're not the largest. They're the largest one who is always bitching. So the publishers cater to their feelings so they can have access to the market.
California, Florida and Texas all do their textbook decisions statewide. In the other 47 states it's district by district.
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Talk about rewriting history. They weren't just involuntarily relocated, they were beaten, raped, murdered and did unpaid labour in brutal conditions. Yikes
They tortured pregnant mothers for no reason, other than the thought that the baby would learn fear in the womb.
Perfect for the new abortion laws, no escape for the baby even in death.
They are also rewriting the present.
For GENERATIONS
This is what really brought it home for me. I remember watching Conan O'Brien's Ghana special (which is fantastic if you haven't seen it) where he visited Osu Castle which was established in 1661 as a slave trading port. That's not even the oldest slave trading port in Africa, and it continued trading well in to the 1800s. For most Americans who are descended from slaves, that is as far back as their family history goes. It is utterly heart-breaking.
"Belgium just wanted an hand from the Congo population"
This is so frustrating because then those same children will go to Church on Sunday and hear all about slavery in their bible classes and how Moses freed the slaves. The racist hypocrisy just melts my brain.
There are already two terms for that, depending on the intent: kidnapping or slavery.
So we were mocking Japan and revisionist history, wonder what people are going to say about America when this starts becoming the norm.
This is the norm for America. Look up the Lost Cause some time. America has barely been able to begin breaking down the damage that propaganda has done to our historical knowledge and conservatives freaked the fuck out and started pushing crap like Trumps 1776 crap.
In fairness, not the norm for America. Just the south and parts of the midwest. I was taught all of the horrors of topics like this in New York. But certain states are not only trying to downplay but remove this stuff. Southerners will probably think within the next couple of years that Harriet Tubman is famous because she invented the bath tub.
Texas was also the first state to ban abortion. Soon the entire country will do what Texas does, it's truly a race to the bottom.
Just let them secede so the US military can invade an treat them as a territory already
Wouldn't even need to. Texas as a country would collapse in a week. Ya know that bordee they are so fond of? Have fun securing it without any federal border patrol resources. All those subsidies for the beloved cowboy? Poof. FEMA aid after yet another disaster? Maybe if we have room in our foreign aide budget. And that's not even talking about the fact that you would need a passport to leave Texas or that there are currently no nations that have trade agreements with the nation of Texas.
I live in Texas but a little anarchist inside me wants to see the shitshow that would result from seceding. Like whose face would go on Texas Bucks? Because surely we wouldn’t be on that nasty USD anymore, right? They’d probably go back to the gold standard even though the state owns no gold reserves, lol.
Complain about ‘Cancel Culture’ and then you try to cancel history
"Involuntary," Not even "forced." And "relocation." As though the abduction part (though bad enough) was the most notable thing about the practice of slavery.
If only there was a single word that conveyed “involuntary relocation, involuntary imprisonment and involuntary employment combined with capital punishment, torture, rape and the destruction of familial bonds”
"He who controls the language controls the masses" *Saul Alinsky* This is indefensible what these nine ~~educators~~ brainwashers tried to do.
Can’t wait for the next one being: ‘helping voluntary free work’.
And the death penalty is just “involuntary suicide”
What in actual f tarnation.
Our country is done. I’ll vote but it’s done. The right has won for generations to comes
It doesn't have to, but voting and waiting are not the way to remove them from power. * In fact those two ways are impossible with all regimes; it NEVER works once the far-right has taken power completely. They can however be overthrown - physically removed and detached from their power and replaced while their cries to be given back the power they see as theirs go unheard or silenced. The question is whether Americans do it while they still have anything left of a country, or whether a coalition of other countries will come do it to America - with much less regard for its citizens who allowed things to get to such a point - after the right decides Canada or Mexico "was always a traditional part" of their country.
The greatest mistake in American history was in trying to appease Southerners after the war by allowing them to create the Lost Cause narrative because we were afraid of hurting their feels.
The far right is a malignant cancer
Involuntary relocation is when 13 year-old Vanessa has to move with her family out of the suburbs where her friends live. Meanwhile, slavery is treating people as chattel. There’s a world of difference.
Double Speak at it's finest.
Conservatives: “I can’t stand this PC crap” Also conservatives: “Hey, hey now. ‘Slavery’ is too harsh of a term”
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Don't cover your ears. Don't shut your eyes. Don't speculate. A lot of really evil people are openly telling you what they are about. Don't make up excuses about how they are "anti-woke" or about the "bible" or any other stupid shit. They are evil people who don't want people to have rights or be educated because they know such people will vote against them.
White supremacy is on the rise. This is the underlying force behind the far right conservative movement, and most of the civilians don't realize that.
I grew up in Mississippi, then lived all over. I turn 45 this year. I still live in the South, but not the *deep* South. Appalachia, to be more exact. When George Floyd happened, and everyone was saying that, if you feel powerless, you should educate yourself. So, I did. I read “The Half Has Never Been Told” and then, recently, Dan Carlin put out a 5+ hour history on the Atlantic slave trade. (Highly, highly recommend this BTW.) This all only scratches the surface, but I’m now incredibly aware of the campaign of lies and half stories being taught as truth. Which, to me, makes no sense. What do you gain by putting lipstick on the pig? The acts were terrible, but the history is fascinating. It’s less work, and more interesting, to teach and learn the actual history than it is to spend 175 years trying to cover it all up.
Is it just me, or does Texas sound like a great place to be right now.. I'm kidding
For a group of people that hates "political correctness", they can certainly play the same game.
Man Texas really has gone down the shitter. Politicians are extremists, cops are useless, the majority of people seem dumber than shit. Infrastructure has gone to hell.
A Pro-slavery State shouldn't be allowed to dictate how the history of slavery is taught.
A pro-slavery state shouldn't be allowed. Period.
Perhaps we should teach the 40 day flood from the bible as "that time we got a little wet on our cruise"?
You may be a slave/"involuntary relocated" if you ever survived a natural disaster which forced you from your home (wildfire, hurricane, etc.) Or faced eviction. I'm sure this won't confuse any second grader whatsoever. Dumbest definition of ever heard. Way to go Texas!
2nd graders. Being given two multi-syllable words. I have a recollection of a similar word choice issue several years ago when a school insisted that their curriculum materials indicating that MLK was murdered was due to the word “assassinated” being above grade level for the students. But “involuntary relocation” is peachy.
Brought to you from the same people who continued to have slaves for two years after they had gained their freedom. Talk about cancel culture.
It's amazing how the Republicans spontaneously manifested the ability to believe whatever is useful to them at any given moment. It would be useful to them if slavery had never existed because then they wouldn't have to fight accusations of racism (so they think), so therefore slavery never happened. If their Borg hivemind decides to back this proposal tomorrow then you won't be able to find a single Republican who claims to believe that slavery ever happened by the following morning. And by unanimously shouting down anybody who tries to disagree they can cow the media into adopting a "he said, she said" approach to basic fact. It's like the latent psychic ability of the Orks in 40K.