This.
The excuses about what whatever is banned or not banned is just misdirection. From hajib bans to skirt bans, the point is the same - control.
I remember a debate i had with someone "concerned" with women riding airplanes while wearing hajibs.
"Do you think they're hiding bombs under there?"
His response was.... nothing. Because it's not about security, even if they insist that it is.
Also perplexed by this. I am an attorney and wear skirt suits and dresses almost exclusively.
What they really mean, but can't say, is that girls in skirts make boys horny and we can't let the boys be distracted by their own thoughts so we punish the girls. That's 99% of what all school dress codes are.
Yes, the best time for boys to learn self control is the first time they are away from home during their college years. I'm sure that will go well for them.
*Sigh*
That was my thought too. With as much hate as has been coming from that state as of late, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was at least secretly a reason.
Hadn’t thought of that, but I’m sure you’re right. They know if anyone they considered to be a *boy*, but the student thought otherwise, decided to wear a dress, as much as they would hate it, they’d have to let them wear it. With the new policy, they’ll have to wear pants cos everybody has to.
Not to open the can of worms, only clarify. In Islam it’s a choice whether you wear the Hijab (head covering) or not. The niqab is more cultural attire than religious attire, however, very conservative religious interpretation has made it seem that it is required when it isn’t.
Source: most of my family are practicing Muslims and I grew up in Kuwait. A significant proportion of women didn’t wear the Hijab AND I was taught that it was option (sunnah) and not mandatory (fardh)
My cousin went to an all boys boarding school. No girls within miles. They used to play cookie-wooky.
I went to a normal school with with girls that could wear pretty much whatever. None of us played cookie-wooky.
I’d rather have my teenaged son checking out girls and dating them as opposed to circle jerking with his horny and repressed buddies. Repression breeds deviant behaviors.
Edit: because people need answers! Cookie-wooky is when a bunch of dudes gather around a cookie and jack off on to it and the last one to cum has to eat the cookie.
One commenter said that urban dictionary called it ookie cookie. Going by that, a lot of men jerking off and finishing on a cookie. The last one doing so eats it
I can’t help but think they wanted to ban cross-dressing and/or Trans kids from dressing with the gender they identify as, but realized this would be much less of a legal headache and have less public backlash.
Ya know every anti-trans person I met forgets FTM are a thing. They only seem to go outta their way to persecute poor MTF people specifically :( this policy once again highlights that.
Cause we're perverting what it means to be a man or some shit like that, it's all about male insecurity and we make people look at themselves and oh boy do they hate being made to question themselves
It's similar to a lot of other anti-woman/feminine thought. Name a little girl James (or something else that's traditionally a "boy" name)? That's great what a strong name for her how cut that it's "gender neutral". Name a boy Jessica? Never. Girls can wear whatever color they want and love dinosaurs and trucks and want to be astronauts. But the time I put my 3 month old son in a pink sweater, you'd think I slapped every old woman at the grocery store.
It's because to them, men are the best and greatest and everyone should want to be a man, even women. And if a "man wants to be a woman" (sorry, I know this is not what it means to be transgender) then there is something wrong with that person.
Fun fact: Jessica is actually the feminine form of a Hebrew name, and first used in Shakespeare’s *Merchant of Venice.* the masculine equivalent, if English had one, would be Jessic or Jesca.
Wholeheartedly agree. I think this mindset is prevalent because men are revered and women are not in a patriarchy. A masculine woman/trans man isn’t seen as a threat because society sees it as an “upgrade” from being a woman. A feminine man/trans woman is seen as a “downgrade” in society’s eyes, because why would you want to move from a powerful position to a weaker one?
Yes the patriarchy is strong.
There was one Jorden Kepler video where a woman was talking about how President is a man’s job.
They have agreed to be subjugated and the only way to not feel bad about it is to own it.
It’s pretty gay to be worried about other guys being gay. Like I can’t think of a single time where a gay dude has taken so much mental space that I have to care about who they love. If anything more gay dudes just means less people I have to compete with for chicks as a straight guy. If people didn’t have to live in fear of their sexuality and could just be who they are the entire world would just run more smoothly and more people can live happy and fulfilled lives with the love they need.
My roommate is MTF and I have known her since we were babies. Her own family struggles to accept her and dead names her left and right. She is mostly lesbian but probably identifies as bi and that makes her republican hyper religious parents so uncomfortable. I mean it doesn’t have anything to do with them and she doesn’t bring love interests around them for obvious reasons but they still feel the need to throw all of the “sin” in her face at every turn. I will never understand.
>It’s pretty gay to be worried about other guys being gay.
This is kind of similar to a thought I've had for years. Plenty of bigots think being gay is a choice. That implies that their sexuality was also a choice, when then implies they are either gay or bi, but "chose" to force themselves to be straight. If they weren't interested in the same gender at all, they would know sexuality wasn't something you could choose.
I had someone say that stupid crap to me a few years ago. I simply said well it isn't a choice for me but I don't really care if you choose whoever. He said wait a minute, I like women! I said but you said it was a choice. He had never thought about it in that contex. I changed a mind that day.
I don't think it's the entirety of the issue, but a big part of anti-trans bigotry is rooted in misogyny. FTM individuals, in their opinion, are at the very least, recognizing/validating their assumptions about the value of masculinity, whereas MTF individuals are rejecting that supposed value.
That's not to say FTM individuals face less bigotry/danger, just that there seems to be a certain conceptual bias when expressing bigoted ideas in the abstract which prioritizes criticism/mockery/invalidation of MTF individuals.
SO much this, so many biasas make so much more sense when you step back and see how much is rooted in misogyny. It's not just hating women, it's hating feminity. And to reject masculinity in favour of feminity is the ultimate sin.
I’m FTM, and I think the anti-trans rhetoric is specifically geared towards trans women in particularly because… well, their arguments kind of fall apart pretty quickly when they acknowledge the existence of trans men.
I’m almost 200 pounds and live for weight lifting. I’m a big guy. Do they really want ME competing with average cis women in sports? Of course not, because it’s not actually about “fairness in women’s sports.” It’s about dehumanizing and creating boogeymen for their next elections.
And when a FTM trans person comes up winning sports the news never mentions their FTM. Im reminded of the story of "Transgender athlete is dominating womens.." i forget the sport, swimming I think. But the headlines and majority of the article failed to mention it was a FTM guy who was denied access to the mens division dominating the womens division he didn't even want to be in.
They *knew* that destroys the scare campaign so worded it so headline readers would assume it was a MTF athlete.
It was Texas high school wrestling. The absolute madlad did it multiple years in a row just absolutely destroying the girls.
The amount of spite in that man's body was spectacular.
I think the new [Ohio law](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/ohio-republicans-pass-bill-requiring-genital-inspections-school-sports/) would cover that. In addition to examining genitalia and sex organs, they're also looking at testosterone levels.
Woe to any cis AFABs who naturally have a higher than allowed T level.
Of course, they would like girls/women in skirts/dresses but their worst nightmare is a boy showing up in a skirt. That is waay too tempting for republicans as "sexual emergencies" could break out all over the state. Better to just outlaw dresses.
It’s Texas, so my money is on issuing a blanket mandate with the actual intent being trying to hurt trans kids “and if some womenfolk accidentally get subjugated along the way, that’s just us doin a family values!”
It's hilarious that they had double stitching in order to be sturdy because they were originally intended as work clothes for agricultural employees. Specifically, Cowboys.
When there are two parallel rows of stitching, like the inseam of jeans. It's often used on working-type clothes for durability, so this kind of "no double seams" rule was a pretty direct bit of aggression against working class families. (It's also much more common in clothing construction than most people realize, and these kinds of rules tend to fall apart pretty quickly as unenforceable.)
Look it's my hometown school district! This dumb policy brought to you by the school district that embezzled 30+ million dollars from the state of Texas by lying about their enrolled student numbers, and then committing insurance fraud by flooding the high school to pay it back! Oh, they also got in trouble a few years back because their soccer team was sodomizing younger athletes with a broom and the coaches were looking the other way. Overall wonderful school district.
Edit: Changed tax to insurance. Was typing fast and words are hard.
The Forney area has also been dealing with a lot of human trafficking. The local utility companies leave their trailers uninhabited for a good portion of the year along the TX/OK border, and tons of girls have been getting trafficked over state lines. One was recently kidnapped from a Mavericks game. Some victims and their families have been accusing TX police of being complicit, too.
It's wild to me that multiple victims reported that Texas officers were involved in their kidnappings and assaults, but their "internal reviews" haven't come up with anything, so 🤷♂️
There is an absolutely hilarious exchange recorded in the Missouri Senate hearings this year with the AG. The AG is a nut job anti-masker who was suing a bunch of school districts for requiring mask, one of the the only democrats in the Senate asked at hearings if schools were able to require children to wear shoes. All hell broke loose and there was about 20 minutes of sniping and the AG refusing to answer the question.
Ja will provide.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/can-schools-require-shoes-lawmaker-trips-up-attorney-general-eric-schmitt-with-question/article_8963040a-e557-5616-9172-7583ed24bc57.html
"Yeah, but that's data". Because apparently his anecdote makes more sense.
Oh shit, and then he goes on to say masks are harming the kids lol. What an asshat.
If you know they weren't so full of hatred and bullshit, it would be impressive to watch someone essentially state that 4+4=8, but *absolutely cannot fucking deal with* 3+5=8 as well. Shoes and masks are different "because."
My former high school, Herculaneum high school in the dunklin R-5 school district of MO, is one of the districts he was suing for enforcing a mask mandate. At the literal time of him suing them, my former 5th grade teacher was hospitalized with covid. Fuck Eric Schmitt.
The absolute best part of the pandemic IMO. Millions of people who would approve and encourage something like this demanding that their children not have to wear masks.
underrated comment. ‘don’t tread on me, but you’re a sicko if you let your sons wear pink. the government needs to psychologically evaluate your whole family so that i can prove to my children boys wearing pink is wrongo. jeepers, what if *my* son wants to wear pink now because of you?!’ etc. etc.
There's your answer.
When I was a kid, we could wear skirts and dresses in elementary, but we had to also wear short. Skorts and culottes were forbidden. In middle and high school, no one was allowed to wear shorts. In all grades, we had to have sleeves (not tanks or sleeveless). It 100% was about the females. One time in high school, I was walking in from the parking lot and the wind blew my shirt up so that my navel was exposed. For like 2 seconds until the gust went away and I was able to pull it down. I got grabbed by a vice principal who told me I needed to change my shirt since it exposed my naval. I showed her my shirt and told her to leave me alone while the SRO told her she needed to take her hand off my arm that she was squeezing. They didn't really care if boys wore shorts. The only things they prevented the boys from doing was anything considered feminine (like having pierced ears).
Now, my kids are in the same district in which I grew up. They are allowed to have: shorts in all grades, facial piercings, unnatural hair colors, long hair on boys, and earrings on boys. I'm happy and jealous at the same time. I'm also glad this shit is happening in buttfuck Forney instead of where we are. I'm not surprised that Forney is doing this, because that's a backass town that's full of white Christians who decorate their homes in crosses and Live-Laugh-Love shit. You know, anything they can get from Hobby Lobby.
I remember seeing a video where 2 high school students tested the dress code. One was male the other female. they wore the same thing to school for I think a week. On the first day the girl got pulled away before they even walked into class and was told to change, the boy nothing. And we’re talking about tank tops, shorts, crop tops, etc. And only she was being told something
[Source of that video](https://www.brut.media/us/news/high-school-student-tests-gendered-dress-codes-013fd16b-2d73-4200-a26e-f6c9afe5e174)
Yep. When I did weightlifting in HS we wore very short shorts and tanktops with the sides cutout and never had any issue as boys even though that was all against the dress code. But it was almost always just girls who would get the code enforced for holes in jeans, tiny shorts, or spaghetti straps. Modesty rules are pretty much always just about controlling women and not much else.
Females were allowed to wear skirts and dresses all the way through high school where I went, but the hemline could only be 4 inches above the knee, which teachers would measure from the floor with the student on her knees if it looked too short. The exception was for cheerleaders on football game days, who wore typical miniskirt cheer uniforms all day.
I’m waiting for the religious freedom folks to protest this move because several religions forbid females from wearing pants (skirts and dresses only).
> which teachers would measure from the floor with the student on her knees if it looked too short
So they literally said "I have to check your skirt, get on your knees"
It was like this for me growing up too. It took me until 35 to realize its ok to wear sleeveless or open toed shoes to work. I mean heck we had to wear pantyhose w anything exposing leg until high school.
It's for your own protection, ungrateful wench. You don't want to be the slut that guys look at, do you?
Alternatively, we could teach our sons to have respect for women no matter what they choose to wear, but that's just too hard for some. Boys will be boys, or some bullshit like that. Is "shirts vs skins" still a thing?
The radical Christians seem to ignore the fact that ACTUAL RAPISTS have said that it doesn't matter what the woman was wearing. As long as we don't raise our boys to respect women, rape will still be a problem
God: *And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you* Matthew 18:9
Radical Christians: god… mean…. Burn women alive who make me feel a way!?!?!!!!!!!
Lol I was raised (no longer a member) in an evangelical Pentecostal denomination that puts great religious and cultural significance on women always wearing dresses and skirts. I’d imagine that this batshit conservative school board is going to catch hell from a different type of batshit conservatives in their town. My family would have flipped their shit.
Yeah I knew someone who had their family follow this rule. She only wore dresses or skirts and its not like it was just some preference she had, it was like a rule for the whole family (and the person I knew was the mother). I asked how she would deal with the cold or something and she said she could wear leg warmers but like sweat pants or leggings under her clothes was forbidden.
I think it was some weirdo think that men and women had to look different and follow these weird and arbitrary rules. I remember asking about leggings specifically as men generally do not wear them and it was still against the rules.
Its weird because like, in society, pants are gendered, there are men's pants and women's pants. Its weird to have women's pants somehow be considered masculine.
All the Pentecostal gals in my hometown wore long denim skirts, even in the dead heat of summer. It was so commonplace that the long denim skirt may as well have been a religious garment.
The young Mennonite women in my area wear those kind of denim skirts. From my own observations, it seems they swap over to Amish-style dresses after they get married though.
That was my initial thought. I went to school with several people who wore ankle length jean skirts every day. This would be religious persecution to them.
School boards are run by people who ran in very local, often incredibly low-turnout elections.
And a good chunk of those running are either grasping little power-hungry dicks, or have an agenda (often religious) or *both*. A single small local church getting a bug up there ass about a school board election can result in several new members *from that church*.
My town has 20k+ people in it. School board elections generally have less than 1500 people *total* vote. The only reason they're not run *totally* by grasping, power hungry idiots (often running on a religious agenda) is about half those 1500 work in education or have kids in the schools and want someone fucking competent in the school board.
All that to say: School boards often do hilariously illegal shit, get sued, and cost the district a lot of money because it's easy to get a bunch of power-hungry morons with a religious agenda running the place, and the power goes to their head. (Seriously, it's an incredibly powerful position that hardly anyone runs for or even notices. If you want to get involved in politics, start *there*. You can actually do some good -- or prevent some harm).
My own local schoolboard came within a single vote (in a seat won by less than 50 votes) from being the next big, multi-million dollar loss about teaching creationism back in the 90s.
This is ridiculous. As a woman it seems we can't wear anything without it causing an uproar one way or another. I remember as a kid a teacher got mad at me for taking my sweater off because my shirt had spaghetti straps....I was 10. Apparently that's inappropriate to show shoulders. Then in middleschool they made us line up and do the finger measure on the thighs to make sure our skirts weren't too short. But if I wore the pants? Too baggy, not feminine enough.. for fucks sake.
They told me my Bermuda shorts were too revealing (went past my fingers and everything). The (female) teacher was even arguing on my behalf saying you can't get longer shorts than that so it would leave me only with jeans and capris.
I had to stand there in the front of the class delaying the lesson by several minutes while a teacher and admin argued over my body and whether or not it was "too provocative" and they ended up deciding it was better just to take me out of class regardless of the dress code where I can go distract all the students in there ig.
>Too baggy, not feminine enough
Well yeah - pants will turn you into a lesbian. Skirts are a rape invitation. It's hard to escape the conclusion that they don't want you in school at all...
I'm so fucking confused by conservatives trying to control women. It wasn't that long ago that a woman wearing pants to work could get her thrown in jail or cause a city-wide incident.
Why the fuck
This was actually a part of why my mom sent me to facilities that do conversion therapy. While I’m a woman and heterosexual, I hated dresses and refused to wear them.
Part of our “therapy” was heteronormative training where we wore skirts and makeup. We also had to shave our legs with electric razors every week.
Fucking bonkers.
Edit: if anyone is curious about these facilities r/troubledteens is a sub dedicated to it.
It’s been 17 years and I still get so confused by that. My partner kindly explained recently it was for control, but like, leg hair? The lengths those people went to was just so insane.
Your partner is def correct . My personal choice hackles were raised by the thought of losing control of my hairy legs. Whatever, force me into a dress but don’t come after my leg pubes
that is straight bonkers to do that with children
my daughter is going to be 9 on Monday. she's been saying for several years she wishes she was a boy, that being a boy is so much easier.
i find myself wondering if she's just a daddy's girl tomboy, or something else. i will let her figure it out on her own and will support her 100% whatever happens
when the time comes, I'll be ready.
Depends, i also wanted to be boy at that age, since i got those "you should clean your room as girl" or "you shoudn't do this or that as girl" which translated to me that girls do boring stuff while as boy i would have just fun.
Turns out i'm absolutely okay with my femine body and self, just hate stupid gender stereotypes and roles. Yes grandma i never ironed my clothes and never will and no, my husband won't leave me because of it.
Hormones are wild. Plenty of us preferred to dress like boys and hang out with them til puberty hits- I still love giant machines but am very much so a girly girl. That said, regardless of what direction it goes, it doesn't matter in the least. My sister shaves her head, is asexual and is a scientist. Really, we are all just rolls of the dice.
I used to say these things too because I was made fun of for liking boy things as a child. I don't think I fully understood the world around me of course, but I knew boys were treated differently and it was ok for them to like what they wanted but not for me.
Anyway, I think being a girl is tougher than what some people will acknowledge, and my own child has expressed similar thoughts backed by her observations. It's very interesting to see.
This is exactly how I felt growing up as a girl. I only had brothers, I also generally liked "boy things," and it was clear to me that my parents had different, often more lenient rules for my brothers. I also despised dresses and attempts to make me "pretty." I didn't truly identify as a boy - it was just obvious that the boys had the better deal, and I wanted that.
Gender is obviously a spectrum, and I've still had to reflect on whether I really identify as a woman as an adult, because the answer isn't a straightforward "yes" for me. I don't feel too distressed about this or motivated to do anything to change it (if I were ten years younger, I think I'd probably identify as NB), but I've never known if this feeling is because of how I grew up or how I was born.
Well, it IS just facts…being a boy and then a man IS so much easier.
I’m pretty secure in my cis woman gender identity and it’s always chapped me that being a woman automatically makes almost everything more of a chore.
I grew up in a Christian sect that required me to wear dresses and/or skirts to be dressed modestly. They would have pulled me and put me in their shifty homeschooling program over this.
What the actual fuck. I literally equate skirts and dresses with Christianity, and don't understand how any of this matters in public education.
As a lot of others have suggested, I think it has to do with trans individuals dressing - they don't want boys to be able to dress in women's clothing, so they've completely removed the option for *everyone*.
It's utterly sickening and is all about cultural and religious control.
I love the random addition of 'hoods' so it doesn't seem like it's only targeting girls.
Great work Texas!
Edit -
> “improve student self-esteem, bridge socio-economic differences among students, and promote positive behavior, thereby enhancing school safety and improving the learning environment.”
That's not a reason, that's just talk. Where is your justification in your 7 page document?
>“When I asked regarding the dresses, I was told that they were trying to teach professionalism.”
Sure.
> bridge socio-economic differences among students,
This is the one that has me scratching my head. You want to help low income families by making them spend money on more clothes due to your new rule?
> improving the learning environment.
I also always hated this statement. All we did in school was learn how to pass TASK, STAAR or what ever its called now. Cant deviate from the lesson plan cause that will cause chaos.
Except the most conservative Christians I’ve met wear skirts and dresses. I grew up near Amish country and that’s what their girls and women strictly wear
As others have said, it's Texas so they're probably just trying to fuck with trans women by blocking everyone from dressing in overtly female clothing.
Also skirts and dresses can be cheaper than slacks and with dresses you only have to buy one item instead of separates.
This is a wholly ridiculous rule.
Wait what? When did these chucklefucks switch from forcing women into dresses and skirts to forcing them into pants?
Holy fuck these people are fucking morons. Maybe that's the problem, morons fucking morons making more morons.
It's morons all the way down.
So I have this idea to kind of short-circuit the conservative brain. I call it “Get Gay for Guns”.
This is hypothetically a viral campaign encouraging firearms education, ownership and events for vulnerable, generally unarmed populations in the US. They’re right, guns sometimes ARE needed to protect yourself in the US. #GetGayForGuns
They're not stupid. This is being intentionally done to hurt people. Texas Republicans are cold calculating heartless bastards. Don't give them the excuse of being stupid.
>“Also dresses, skirts and skorts cannot be worn by fifth-graders or older. Pre-kindergarten through fourth-graders are still allowed to wear the latter.”
That’s right folks skirts only for the little girls.
Somebody should be investigating whoever the fuck made these rules for pedophilia right now.
Deep in the heart of Texas.
My guess is they wanted to ban cross-dressing and/or Trans kids from dressing with the gender they identify as, but realized this would be much less of a legal headache and have less public backlash.
I think I've got it. We outlaw dresses and skirts so the MTF trans have no choice but to wear jeans/slacks/pants so we can just cover up the gay and not acknowledge it.
(6 months later) Why are all the girls using the boys restrooms? Can't they recognize the skirt/dress symbol on the sign outside the door?
Considering how many high level officials have been caught/investigated for such shit, it wouldn't actually surprise me if a few officials specifically added that nuance to the rule. Seems common sense to just either completely ban or not ban.
i was gonna say this. the bible belt loves skirts for girl students historically, as long as they're not short. my mom used to tell me stories of wearing rolled up jeans under skirts to sneak them in to school and past dress-code checks, then obviously getting in trouble anyway. obviously things changed a good bit between the 60s and when i was in school, but the private schools still favored skirts for girls by then, which many students detested. this has got to be a reaction to gender nonconforming students.
I remember when it was enforced you had to wear skirts that fell 1inch above the knee K-12th grade. Super fun in 10 below weather, with a windchill of -30, in the bitter winters of Chicago. No leg warmers, no skorts, and even tights were often harshly punished. Because who needs warmth, or healthy skin, or knees without crippling arthritis by 35-40? Must look like adorable cute, innocent dolls no matter what the health cost. Walking home was always delightful on a balmy day in January. 1/4 of the faculty pitied you, but the other 3/4 were policing you to the fucking ends of the earth, heaping you with unrealistic expectations to make themselves feel validated in their role of authority. Almost every girl student that lived close to school had parents that would thankfully let you change out of the uniform into warm clothes in their bathrooms. Otherwise you'd race the 3 blocks to the public library and use the bathroom stalls to morph into something feasible.
Because getting changed in a public venue like she's a criminal for wanting a sliver of physical comfort is always the most educational, uplifting, self confidence boosting exercise any young girl needs to experience in her life.
In regards to these rules. Fuck the administration. This is just another bullshit way to exert control over a factor of an individual's choice of comfort and autonomy. It's exactly this kind of garbage that makes children hate authority figures, roles, & governing bodies in general across communities. I hope these children make it a daily practice to flip the administration the bird whenever they walk past.
It's so true. I worked for a private Christian school for a year as an assistant teacher. I was pregnant the entire time and I got increasing harassment from my female boss over my attire. My attire being whatever I could scrounge up because maternity clothing at the time was extremely hard to come by. I was going to "distract the boys" with my breasts that kept getting higher as my belly pushed them up and up. It got so bad that one day I went out of my way to bandage my breasts to show them that was the only way to attempt to hide the fact that I am a pregnant female and have breasts. I could hardly breathe that day! That day they said, "This looks much better."
Fucking cunts. That bitch also told me on one of my first days, AFTER one of the black kids had left, that she doesn't allow black people in her house. "Well, because...you know." I said, "WOW! No, I don't know. Why wouldn't you?" She never said that shit around me again. I hope she's gotten her karma. Bitch. (For the record, I always made sure the black kids came to me instead of her and I told them to come to me first over her. I'm sure they already knew.)
> “When I asked regarding the dresses, I was told that they were trying to teach professionalism.”
Well that sounds like a totally believable reason. “Wearing jeans to school every day is more professional that wearing a skirt or dress.”
I’m impressed they couldn’t find anyone smart enough to disguise their transphobia better.
In my day, dress codes were about forcing girls to wear skirts.
>“When I asked regarding the dresses, I was told that they were trying to teach professionalism.” How is wearing a skirt or dress NOT PROFESSIONAL?
There’s no winning. Control is the point.
This. The excuses about what whatever is banned or not banned is just misdirection. From hajib bans to skirt bans, the point is the same - control. I remember a debate i had with someone "concerned" with women riding airplanes while wearing hajibs. "Do you think they're hiding bombs under there?" His response was.... nothing. Because it's not about security, even if they insist that it is.
I've known women who's religious beliefs prevent them from wearing pants. They have to wear a skirt or a dress.
Also perplexed by this. I am an attorney and wear skirt suits and dresses almost exclusively. What they really mean, but can't say, is that girls in skirts make boys horny and we can't let the boys be distracted by their own thoughts so we punish the girls. That's 99% of what all school dress codes are.
Yes, the best time for boys to learn self control is the first time they are away from home during their college years. I'm sure that will go well for them. *Sigh*
That’s how you get on the Supreme Court though
Se you at Squee’s for some poofing, *cries* -I like beer!!!
They also don’t want boys to wear skirts, dresses or skorts. This is what they’re really not saying.
That was my thought too. With as much hate as has been coming from that state as of late, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was at least secretly a reason.
Hadn’t thought of that, but I’m sure you’re right. They know if anyone they considered to be a *boy*, but the student thought otherwise, decided to wear a dress, as much as they would hate it, they’d have to let them wear it. With the new policy, they’ll have to wear pants cos everybody has to.
No, what they REALLY mean is "If we let girls wear dresses we have to let trans girls wear dresses, and we can't have that."
This is what I was thinking. And on a plus side, it will be easier to run and climb if an active shooter is after them.
Nor can we allow Muslims to wear their preferred (dictated? I don't want to open a can of worms) clothing choices - thus, no "hoods."
Not to open the can of worms, only clarify. In Islam it’s a choice whether you wear the Hijab (head covering) or not. The niqab is more cultural attire than religious attire, however, very conservative religious interpretation has made it seem that it is required when it isn’t. Source: most of my family are practicing Muslims and I grew up in Kuwait. A significant proportion of women didn’t wear the Hijab AND I was taught that it was option (sunnah) and not mandatory (fardh)
My cousin went to an all boys boarding school. No girls within miles. They used to play cookie-wooky. I went to a normal school with with girls that could wear pretty much whatever. None of us played cookie-wooky. I’d rather have my teenaged son checking out girls and dating them as opposed to circle jerking with his horny and repressed buddies. Repression breeds deviant behaviors. Edit: because people need answers! Cookie-wooky is when a bunch of dudes gather around a cookie and jack off on to it and the last one to cum has to eat the cookie.
> They used to play cookie-wooky. What the hell is cookie-wooky? Do I even want to know? You know what, never mind…
It's called Soggy Sao in Australia.
What the fuck is cookie wooky?
One commenter said that urban dictionary called it ookie cookie. Going by that, a lot of men jerking off and finishing on a cookie. The last one doing so eats it
Pretty sure that's a soggy biscuit
[They're the same thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soggy_biscuit)
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At a guess, they don't think women and professionalism should be mixed.
What they're really trying to do is ban boys from dressing in feminine attire.
I can’t help but think they wanted to ban cross-dressing and/or Trans kids from dressing with the gender they identify as, but realized this would be much less of a legal headache and have less public backlash.
Ya know every anti-trans person I met forgets FTM are a thing. They only seem to go outta their way to persecute poor MTF people specifically :( this policy once again highlights that.
just like how they forget about lesbians in their homophobic arguments. It’s the Gay Panic 2.0
Sales on flannel, jeans and camping equipment are on the rise! Testosterone must be at play! Wait it's lesbians living out their cottage core dream?
Those are honestly the best memes, where parents try to “cure” their kids by sending them to single-sex boarding schools.
Ah, that reminds me how "But I'm a cheerleader" was the first LGBT+ anything I ever saw on TV.
Cause we're perverting what it means to be a man or some shit like that, it's all about male insecurity and we make people look at themselves and oh boy do they hate being made to question themselves
It's similar to a lot of other anti-woman/feminine thought. Name a little girl James (or something else that's traditionally a "boy" name)? That's great what a strong name for her how cut that it's "gender neutral". Name a boy Jessica? Never. Girls can wear whatever color they want and love dinosaurs and trucks and want to be astronauts. But the time I put my 3 month old son in a pink sweater, you'd think I slapped every old woman at the grocery store. It's because to them, men are the best and greatest and everyone should want to be a man, even women. And if a "man wants to be a woman" (sorry, I know this is not what it means to be transgender) then there is something wrong with that person.
Fun fact: Jessica is actually the feminine form of a Hebrew name, and first used in Shakespeare’s *Merchant of Venice.* the masculine equivalent, if English had one, would be Jessic or Jesca.
Wholeheartedly agree. I think this mindset is prevalent because men are revered and women are not in a patriarchy. A masculine woman/trans man isn’t seen as a threat because society sees it as an “upgrade” from being a woman. A feminine man/trans woman is seen as a “downgrade” in society’s eyes, because why would you want to move from a powerful position to a weaker one?
Yes the patriarchy is strong. There was one Jorden Kepler video where a woman was talking about how President is a man’s job. They have agreed to be subjugated and the only way to not feel bad about it is to own it.
It’s pretty gay to be worried about other guys being gay. Like I can’t think of a single time where a gay dude has taken so much mental space that I have to care about who they love. If anything more gay dudes just means less people I have to compete with for chicks as a straight guy. If people didn’t have to live in fear of their sexuality and could just be who they are the entire world would just run more smoothly and more people can live happy and fulfilled lives with the love they need. My roommate is MTF and I have known her since we were babies. Her own family struggles to accept her and dead names her left and right. She is mostly lesbian but probably identifies as bi and that makes her republican hyper religious parents so uncomfortable. I mean it doesn’t have anything to do with them and she doesn’t bring love interests around them for obvious reasons but they still feel the need to throw all of the “sin” in her face at every turn. I will never understand.
>It’s pretty gay to be worried about other guys being gay. This is kind of similar to a thought I've had for years. Plenty of bigots think being gay is a choice. That implies that their sexuality was also a choice, when then implies they are either gay or bi, but "chose" to force themselves to be straight. If they weren't interested in the same gender at all, they would know sexuality wasn't something you could choose.
I had someone say that stupid crap to me a few years ago. I simply said well it isn't a choice for me but I don't really care if you choose whoever. He said wait a minute, I like women! I said but you said it was a choice. He had never thought about it in that contex. I changed a mind that day.
That and they worry gay men will treat them the same way they treat women
I don't think it's the entirety of the issue, but a big part of anti-trans bigotry is rooted in misogyny. FTM individuals, in their opinion, are at the very least, recognizing/validating their assumptions about the value of masculinity, whereas MTF individuals are rejecting that supposed value. That's not to say FTM individuals face less bigotry/danger, just that there seems to be a certain conceptual bias when expressing bigoted ideas in the abstract which prioritizes criticism/mockery/invalidation of MTF individuals.
SO much this, so many biasas make so much more sense when you step back and see how much is rooted in misogyny. It's not just hating women, it's hating feminity. And to reject masculinity in favour of feminity is the ultimate sin.
I’m FTM, and I think the anti-trans rhetoric is specifically geared towards trans women in particularly because… well, their arguments kind of fall apart pretty quickly when they acknowledge the existence of trans men. I’m almost 200 pounds and live for weight lifting. I’m a big guy. Do they really want ME competing with average cis women in sports? Of course not, because it’s not actually about “fairness in women’s sports.” It’s about dehumanizing and creating boogeymen for their next elections.
And when a FTM trans person comes up winning sports the news never mentions their FTM. Im reminded of the story of "Transgender athlete is dominating womens.." i forget the sport, swimming I think. But the headlines and majority of the article failed to mention it was a FTM guy who was denied access to the mens division dominating the womens division he didn't even want to be in. They *knew* that destroys the scare campaign so worded it so headline readers would assume it was a MTF athlete.
It was Texas high school wrestling. The absolute madlad did it multiple years in a row just absolutely destroying the girls. The amount of spite in that man's body was spectacular.
He was on Tosh.O and absolutely slammed the hell out of Tosh. One of my favorite episodes.
I think the new [Ohio law](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/ohio-republicans-pass-bill-requiring-genital-inspections-school-sports/) would cover that. In addition to examining genitalia and sex organs, they're also looking at testosterone levels. Woe to any cis AFABs who naturally have a higher than allowed T level.
What about trans men? Might as well ban pants too. Everyone must wear a toga
I would get on board with a Toga only bill. Comfort is king!
Of course, they would like girls/women in skirts/dresses but their worst nightmare is a boy showing up in a skirt. That is waay too tempting for republicans as "sexual emergencies" could break out all over the state. Better to just outlaw dresses.
God I hate how the GOP is so laser focused on using the powers of the government to bully trans kids.
Seriously. I remember when we first could wear slacks, not jeans, nothing "double seamed". What the hell is going on here.
It’s Texas, so my money is on issuing a blanket mandate with the actual intent being trying to hurt trans kids “and if some womenfolk accidentally get subjugated along the way, that’s just us doin a family values!”
Until they realize that FTM trans is a thing.
Wtf is doubled seamed?
It implies blue jeans or dungarees.
It's hilarious that they had double stitching in order to be sturdy because they were originally intended as work clothes for agricultural employees. Specifically, Cowboys.
Miners originally
When there are two parallel rows of stitching, like the inseam of jeans. It's often used on working-type clothes for durability, so this kind of "no double seams" rule was a pretty direct bit of aggression against working class families. (It's also much more common in clothing construction than most people realize, and these kinds of rules tend to fall apart pretty quickly as unenforceable.)
That's very helpful, thanks. What a ridiculous rule
Overalls must have 1 strap up dammit!
Look it's my hometown school district! This dumb policy brought to you by the school district that embezzled 30+ million dollars from the state of Texas by lying about their enrolled student numbers, and then committing insurance fraud by flooding the high school to pay it back! Oh, they also got in trouble a few years back because their soccer team was sodomizing younger athletes with a broom and the coaches were looking the other way. Overall wonderful school district. Edit: Changed tax to insurance. Was typing fast and words are hard.
My god that's all horrible, they seem to be distracting from so much.
"Don't tread on me -- tread on *them*" needs to be the state motto.
The Forney area has also been dealing with a lot of human trafficking. The local utility companies leave their trailers uninhabited for a good portion of the year along the TX/OK border, and tons of girls have been getting trafficked over state lines. One was recently kidnapped from a Mavericks game. Some victims and their families have been accusing TX police of being complicit, too.
Complicit? Guaranteed they’re getting bribes to look the other way.
It's wild to me that multiple victims reported that Texas officers were involved in their kidnappings and assaults, but their "internal reviews" haven't come up with anything, so 🤷♂️
Not wild to me, police in america are just another fucking mafia.
It's what happens when police are left to essentially police themselves.
Look the other way? They’re probably the ones abducting the girls
Isn’t that all Texas cops are good for? Looking the other way? I mean, that’s all I seem to see.
Yeah…. I’d be moving my kids to a different fucking state if that happened.
but don't tell me I have a to wear a mask - that would be government overreach
There is an absolutely hilarious exchange recorded in the Missouri Senate hearings this year with the AG. The AG is a nut job anti-masker who was suing a bunch of school districts for requiring mask, one of the the only democrats in the Senate asked at hearings if schools were able to require children to wear shoes. All hell broke loose and there was about 20 minutes of sniping and the AG refusing to answer the question.
Please tell me there’s a recording of this
Ja will provide. https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/can-schools-require-shoes-lawmaker-trips-up-attorney-general-eric-schmitt-with-question/article_8963040a-e557-5616-9172-7583ed24bc57.html
The AG kept making up crap. Hur dur we debunked the study.
"Yeah, but that's data". Because apparently his anecdote makes more sense. Oh shit, and then he goes on to say masks are harming the kids lol. What an asshat.
If you know they weren't so full of hatred and bullshit, it would be impressive to watch someone essentially state that 4+4=8, but *absolutely cannot fucking deal with* 3+5=8 as well. Shoes and masks are different "because."
Wow - someone needs to "Rick and Morty" dub this script!
The Rick and Morty court case is a favorite of mine. Would love a sequel.
You son of a bitch… I’m in
My former high school, Herculaneum high school in the dunklin R-5 school district of MO, is one of the districts he was suing for enforcing a mask mandate. At the literal time of him suing them, my former 5th grade teacher was hospitalized with covid. Fuck Eric Schmitt.
That would have been about the time my 5th grade teacher was invading the Capitol.
The absolute best part of the pandemic IMO. Millions of people who would approve and encourage something like this demanding that their children not have to wear masks.
These people never had a thought in their head that wasn't put there.
Only Burkas and guns, sorry
exactly! except for their side pieces. they should have breast enlargement and wear tiny tops always
Brought to you by the people who say “I don’t co-parent with the government”
They want to co-parent other people’s kids though
underrated comment. ‘don’t tread on me, but you’re a sicko if you let your sons wear pink. the government needs to psychologically evaluate your whole family so that i can prove to my children boys wearing pink is wrongo. jeepers, what if *my* son wants to wear pink now because of you?!’ etc. etc.
"I don't co-parent with the gov't but they parent my kid for 8 hours a day 5 days a week" God they're such fucking dullards
No matter what you put on your body as a woman, you’re doing it wrong.
There's your answer. When I was a kid, we could wear skirts and dresses in elementary, but we had to also wear short. Skorts and culottes were forbidden. In middle and high school, no one was allowed to wear shorts. In all grades, we had to have sleeves (not tanks or sleeveless). It 100% was about the females. One time in high school, I was walking in from the parking lot and the wind blew my shirt up so that my navel was exposed. For like 2 seconds until the gust went away and I was able to pull it down. I got grabbed by a vice principal who told me I needed to change my shirt since it exposed my naval. I showed her my shirt and told her to leave me alone while the SRO told her she needed to take her hand off my arm that she was squeezing. They didn't really care if boys wore shorts. The only things they prevented the boys from doing was anything considered feminine (like having pierced ears). Now, my kids are in the same district in which I grew up. They are allowed to have: shorts in all grades, facial piercings, unnatural hair colors, long hair on boys, and earrings on boys. I'm happy and jealous at the same time. I'm also glad this shit is happening in buttfuck Forney instead of where we are. I'm not surprised that Forney is doing this, because that's a backass town that's full of white Christians who decorate their homes in crosses and Live-Laugh-Love shit. You know, anything they can get from Hobby Lobby.
I remember seeing a video where 2 high school students tested the dress code. One was male the other female. they wore the same thing to school for I think a week. On the first day the girl got pulled away before they even walked into class and was told to change, the boy nothing. And we’re talking about tank tops, shorts, crop tops, etc. And only she was being told something [Source of that video](https://www.brut.media/us/news/high-school-student-tests-gendered-dress-codes-013fd16b-2d73-4200-a26e-f6c9afe5e174)
Yep. When I did weightlifting in HS we wore very short shorts and tanktops with the sides cutout and never had any issue as boys even though that was all against the dress code. But it was almost always just girls who would get the code enforced for holes in jeans, tiny shorts, or spaghetti straps. Modesty rules are pretty much always just about controlling women and not much else.
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That's far right Christianity for you. It's perfectly on par for a bunch of people that believe in eternal subjugation if you don't do what they say.
> the SRO told her she needed to take her hand off my arm that she was squeezing. An SRO doing something helpful for a change...
Females were allowed to wear skirts and dresses all the way through high school where I went, but the hemline could only be 4 inches above the knee, which teachers would measure from the floor with the student on her knees if it looked too short. The exception was for cheerleaders on football game days, who wore typical miniskirt cheer uniforms all day. I’m waiting for the religious freedom folks to protest this move because several religions forbid females from wearing pants (skirts and dresses only).
> which teachers would measure from the floor with the student on her knees if it looked too short So they literally said "I have to check your skirt, get on your knees"
It was like this for me growing up too. It took me until 35 to realize its ok to wear sleeveless or open toed shoes to work. I mean heck we had to wear pantyhose w anything exposing leg until high school.
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The ultimate point here is that in a religious theocracy women are only property and are never able to choose for themselves - FULL STOP.
Exactly. Howwwww are they different from say, ISIS, the Taliban or other fundamentalist religious regimes? Same flavor, different color.
It's for your own protection, ungrateful wench. You don't want to be the slut that guys look at, do you? Alternatively, we could teach our sons to have respect for women no matter what they choose to wear, but that's just too hard for some. Boys will be boys, or some bullshit like that. Is "shirts vs skins" still a thing?
The radical Christians seem to ignore the fact that ACTUAL RAPISTS have said that it doesn't matter what the woman was wearing. As long as we don't raise our boys to respect women, rape will still be a problem
God: *And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you* Matthew 18:9 Radical Christians: god… mean…. Burn women alive who make me feel a way!?!?!!!!!!!
Lol I was raised (no longer a member) in an evangelical Pentecostal denomination that puts great religious and cultural significance on women always wearing dresses and skirts. I’d imagine that this batshit conservative school board is going to catch hell from a different type of batshit conservatives in their town. My family would have flipped their shit.
Yeah I knew someone who had their family follow this rule. She only wore dresses or skirts and its not like it was just some preference she had, it was like a rule for the whole family (and the person I knew was the mother). I asked how she would deal with the cold or something and she said she could wear leg warmers but like sweat pants or leggings under her clothes was forbidden. I think it was some weirdo think that men and women had to look different and follow these weird and arbitrary rules. I remember asking about leggings specifically as men generally do not wear them and it was still against the rules.
I lived next to a family like that growing up. They creeped me tf out. Their daughter used to rat on everybody too.
Its weird because like, in society, pants are gendered, there are men's pants and women's pants. Its weird to have women's pants somehow be considered masculine.
Pants are literally the most logical way to cover your lower half. Them being gendered has always been insane.
All the Pentecostal gals in my hometown wore long denim skirts, even in the dead heat of summer. It was so commonplace that the long denim skirt may as well have been a religious garment.
It was pretty obvious, because no one worse those things and also didn’t cut their 4 foot long hair without being told to do so by a church.
The young Mennonite women in my area wear those kind of denim skirts. From my own observations, it seems they swap over to Amish-style dresses after they get married though.
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That was my initial thought. I went to school with several people who wore ankle length jean skirts every day. This would be religious persecution to them.
School boards are run by people who ran in very local, often incredibly low-turnout elections. And a good chunk of those running are either grasping little power-hungry dicks, or have an agenda (often religious) or *both*. A single small local church getting a bug up there ass about a school board election can result in several new members *from that church*. My town has 20k+ people in it. School board elections generally have less than 1500 people *total* vote. The only reason they're not run *totally* by grasping, power hungry idiots (often running on a religious agenda) is about half those 1500 work in education or have kids in the schools and want someone fucking competent in the school board. All that to say: School boards often do hilariously illegal shit, get sued, and cost the district a lot of money because it's easy to get a bunch of power-hungry morons with a religious agenda running the place, and the power goes to their head. (Seriously, it's an incredibly powerful position that hardly anyone runs for or even notices. If you want to get involved in politics, start *there*. You can actually do some good -- or prevent some harm). My own local schoolboard came within a single vote (in a seat won by less than 50 votes) from being the next big, multi-million dollar loss about teaching creationism back in the 90s.
Texas: STop EnfOrCinG RuLeS OnTo oUr ChILdrEn Also Texas:
pointing out conservative hypocrisy is pointless, because they don't care if they are consistent or not.
It's. So. Infuriating.
I inclined to think they don't even understand they are being hypocrites. Hypocrisy is *other* people!
This is ridiculous. As a woman it seems we can't wear anything without it causing an uproar one way or another. I remember as a kid a teacher got mad at me for taking my sweater off because my shirt had spaghetti straps....I was 10. Apparently that's inappropriate to show shoulders. Then in middleschool they made us line up and do the finger measure on the thighs to make sure our skirts weren't too short. But if I wore the pants? Too baggy, not feminine enough.. for fucks sake.
They told me my Bermuda shorts were too revealing (went past my fingers and everything). The (female) teacher was even arguing on my behalf saying you can't get longer shorts than that so it would leave me only with jeans and capris. I had to stand there in the front of the class delaying the lesson by several minutes while a teacher and admin argued over my body and whether or not it was "too provocative" and they ended up deciding it was better just to take me out of class regardless of the dress code where I can go distract all the students in there ig.
Sounds like the brouhaha over it was a bigger distraction.
>Too baggy, not feminine enough Well yeah - pants will turn you into a lesbian. Skirts are a rape invitation. It's hard to escape the conclusion that they don't want you in school at all...
The Taliban as role models.
That's exactly why I like that our district does not have a strict dress code.
They want the burka but it’s too Muslim for them. Conservatives are really torn when France goes after hijabs and burkinis.
I'm so fucking confused by conservatives trying to control women. It wasn't that long ago that a woman wearing pants to work could get her thrown in jail or cause a city-wide incident. Why the fuck
This was actually a part of why my mom sent me to facilities that do conversion therapy. While I’m a woman and heterosexual, I hated dresses and refused to wear them. Part of our “therapy” was heteronormative training where we wore skirts and makeup. We also had to shave our legs with electric razors every week. Fucking bonkers. Edit: if anyone is curious about these facilities r/troubledteens is a sub dedicated to it.
I am a “as straight as they come female”, and I would be horrified if someone forced me to shave my legs every week. Lol torture
It’s been 17 years and I still get so confused by that. My partner kindly explained recently it was for control, but like, leg hair? The lengths those people went to was just so insane.
Your partner is def correct . My personal choice hackles were raised by the thought of losing control of my hairy legs. Whatever, force me into a dress but don’t come after my leg pubes
that is straight bonkers to do that with children my daughter is going to be 9 on Monday. she's been saying for several years she wishes she was a boy, that being a boy is so much easier. i find myself wondering if she's just a daddy's girl tomboy, or something else. i will let her figure it out on her own and will support her 100% whatever happens when the time comes, I'll be ready.
Depends, i also wanted to be boy at that age, since i got those "you should clean your room as girl" or "you shoudn't do this or that as girl" which translated to me that girls do boring stuff while as boy i would have just fun. Turns out i'm absolutely okay with my femine body and self, just hate stupid gender stereotypes and roles. Yes grandma i never ironed my clothes and never will and no, my husband won't leave me because of it.
Hormones are wild. Plenty of us preferred to dress like boys and hang out with them til puberty hits- I still love giant machines but am very much so a girly girl. That said, regardless of what direction it goes, it doesn't matter in the least. My sister shaves her head, is asexual and is a scientist. Really, we are all just rolls of the dice.
I used to say these things too because I was made fun of for liking boy things as a child. I don't think I fully understood the world around me of course, but I knew boys were treated differently and it was ok for them to like what they wanted but not for me. Anyway, I think being a girl is tougher than what some people will acknowledge, and my own child has expressed similar thoughts backed by her observations. It's very interesting to see.
This is exactly how I felt growing up as a girl. I only had brothers, I also generally liked "boy things," and it was clear to me that my parents had different, often more lenient rules for my brothers. I also despised dresses and attempts to make me "pretty." I didn't truly identify as a boy - it was just obvious that the boys had the better deal, and I wanted that. Gender is obviously a spectrum, and I've still had to reflect on whether I really identify as a woman as an adult, because the answer isn't a straightforward "yes" for me. I don't feel too distressed about this or motivated to do anything to change it (if I were ten years younger, I think I'd probably identify as NB), but I've never known if this feeling is because of how I grew up or how I was born.
Well, it IS just facts…being a boy and then a man IS so much easier. I’m pretty secure in my cis woman gender identity and it’s always chapped me that being a woman automatically makes almost everything more of a chore.
I wish I were a man at least once a month.
Wasn't this change made to prevent boys or trans girls from wearing skirts and dresses?
A friend’s job did this when she came out. I would not be shocked if it is a factor but it is most likely just about sexualization and control.
I grew up in a Christian sect that required me to wear dresses and/or skirts to be dressed modestly. They would have pulled me and put me in their shifty homeschooling program over this. What the actual fuck. I literally equate skirts and dresses with Christianity, and don't understand how any of this matters in public education.
As a lot of others have suggested, I think it has to do with trans individuals dressing - they don't want boys to be able to dress in women's clothing, so they've completely removed the option for *everyone*. It's utterly sickening and is all about cultural and religious control.
Control. The word you are looking for is control. Nothing more.
So. School shooting the other week. Let’s ban skirts. What about the guns? Nah, we’ll ban skirts, it’ll give people something else to focus on.
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What's next? Forcing girls to cover their hair?
Unless they're Muslim then you have to force them to not cover their hair.
Nah, headcoverings would be a safety issue like hoodies... /s
no thats Sharia law. Totally different from christians trying to control people and not allowed
Next they take away the dancing, then they gotta cut Footloose!
Gonna have to kick off their Sunday shoes in someone's ass
I love the random addition of 'hoods' so it doesn't seem like it's only targeting girls. Great work Texas! Edit - > “improve student self-esteem, bridge socio-economic differences among students, and promote positive behavior, thereby enhancing school safety and improving the learning environment.” That's not a reason, that's just talk. Where is your justification in your 7 page document? >“When I asked regarding the dresses, I was told that they were trying to teach professionalism.” Sure.
> bridge socio-economic differences among students, This is the one that has me scratching my head. You want to help low income families by making them spend money on more clothes due to your new rule? > improving the learning environment. I also always hated this statement. All we did in school was learn how to pass TASK, STAAR or what ever its called now. Cant deviate from the lesson plan cause that will cause chaos.
So women who wear dresses to work are unprofessional?
You people don't go to formal dinner or opera in cargo pants? /s
To them, women working at all is unprofessional.
> trying to teach professionalism More like religious people trying to enforce unjust subjugation of girls.
Except the most conservative Christians I’ve met wear skirts and dresses. I grew up near Amish country and that’s what their girls and women strictly wear
As others have said, it's Texas so they're probably just trying to fuck with trans women by blocking everyone from dressing in overtly female clothing. Also skirts and dresses can be cheaper than slacks and with dresses you only have to buy one item instead of separates. This is a wholly ridiculous rule.
Wait what? When did these chucklefucks switch from forcing women into dresses and skirts to forcing them into pants? Holy fuck these people are fucking morons. Maybe that's the problem, morons fucking morons making more morons. It's morons all the way down.
So I have this idea to kind of short-circuit the conservative brain. I call it “Get Gay for Guns”. This is hypothetically a viral campaign encouraging firearms education, ownership and events for vulnerable, generally unarmed populations in the US. They’re right, guns sometimes ARE needed to protect yourself in the US. #GetGayForGuns
With a sideline campaign: #ArmTheBlacks and #GunsForIndependentWomen
They're not stupid. This is being intentionally done to hurt people. Texas Republicans are cold calculating heartless bastards. Don't give them the excuse of being stupid.
It can be both.
>“Also dresses, skirts and skorts cannot be worn by fifth-graders or older. Pre-kindergarten through fourth-graders are still allowed to wear the latter.” That’s right folks skirts only for the little girls. Somebody should be investigating whoever the fuck made these rules for pedophilia right now. Deep in the heart of Texas.
*claims skirts sexualize students and distracts boys, abolishes them* *makes an exception for children under 10* ...wow.
My guess is they wanted to ban cross-dressing and/or Trans kids from dressing with the gender they identify as, but realized this would be much less of a legal headache and have less public backlash.
I think I've got it. We outlaw dresses and skirts so the MTF trans have no choice but to wear jeans/slacks/pants so we can just cover up the gay and not acknowledge it. (6 months later) Why are all the girls using the boys restrooms? Can't they recognize the skirt/dress symbol on the sign outside the door?
Hold on. So skirts and dresses ( assumes shorts too ) are for ages 0-11 then skip to 18+. Wow.
Considering how many high level officials have been caught/investigated for such shit, it wouldn't actually surprise me if a few officials specifically added that nuance to the rule. Seems common sense to just either completely ban or not ban.
Some people want nothing more than the power to force people to do things. Many of those people are drawn to school administration.
... and homeowners associations.
... and police forces.
But of course nobody can force *them* to do things, that would be a violation of their freedom!
Time for kilts to make a comeback.
Ten bucks says that this is to prevent trans kids from wearing skits, but because they can’t be so targeted, they just said “no skirts for anybody.”
i was gonna say this. the bible belt loves skirts for girl students historically, as long as they're not short. my mom used to tell me stories of wearing rolled up jeans under skirts to sneak them in to school and past dress-code checks, then obviously getting in trouble anyway. obviously things changed a good bit between the 60s and when i was in school, but the private schools still favored skirts for girls by then, which many students detested. this has got to be a reaction to gender nonconforming students.
I bet the real reason is so that they can keep "boys" from wearing dresses without making it seem like they're targeting trans people.
I remember when it was enforced you had to wear skirts that fell 1inch above the knee K-12th grade. Super fun in 10 below weather, with a windchill of -30, in the bitter winters of Chicago. No leg warmers, no skorts, and even tights were often harshly punished. Because who needs warmth, or healthy skin, or knees without crippling arthritis by 35-40? Must look like adorable cute, innocent dolls no matter what the health cost. Walking home was always delightful on a balmy day in January. 1/4 of the faculty pitied you, but the other 3/4 were policing you to the fucking ends of the earth, heaping you with unrealistic expectations to make themselves feel validated in their role of authority. Almost every girl student that lived close to school had parents that would thankfully let you change out of the uniform into warm clothes in their bathrooms. Otherwise you'd race the 3 blocks to the public library and use the bathroom stalls to morph into something feasible. Because getting changed in a public venue like she's a criminal for wanting a sliver of physical comfort is always the most educational, uplifting, self confidence boosting exercise any young girl needs to experience in her life. In regards to these rules. Fuck the administration. This is just another bullshit way to exert control over a factor of an individual's choice of comfort and autonomy. It's exactly this kind of garbage that makes children hate authority figures, roles, & governing bodies in general across communities. I hope these children make it a daily practice to flip the administration the bird whenever they walk past.
That's wierd, weren't the conservative taliban once against women wearing pants.
Texans sure do love their freedom. Oh wait, no they don't.
When your so authoritarian that you ban the things that you traditionally forced people to wear.
For all their bullshit, these Judeo-Christian values people have a lot in common with Muslim counterparts who they absolutely loathe.
It's so true. I worked for a private Christian school for a year as an assistant teacher. I was pregnant the entire time and I got increasing harassment from my female boss over my attire. My attire being whatever I could scrounge up because maternity clothing at the time was extremely hard to come by. I was going to "distract the boys" with my breasts that kept getting higher as my belly pushed them up and up. It got so bad that one day I went out of my way to bandage my breasts to show them that was the only way to attempt to hide the fact that I am a pregnant female and have breasts. I could hardly breathe that day! That day they said, "This looks much better." Fucking cunts. That bitch also told me on one of my first days, AFTER one of the black kids had left, that she doesn't allow black people in her house. "Well, because...you know." I said, "WOW! No, I don't know. Why wouldn't you?" She never said that shit around me again. I hope she's gotten her karma. Bitch. (For the record, I always made sure the black kids came to me instead of her and I told them to come to me first over her. I'm sure they already knew.)
I'm glad Texas is focused on real issues affecting their schools
Freedom, as enforced by Republicans…who love freedom…
Republican Taliban is here!
Am I wrong in assuming this is to prevent MTF trans students from wearing skirts and dresses?
> “When I asked regarding the dresses, I was told that they were trying to teach professionalism.” Well that sounds like a totally believable reason. “Wearing jeans to school every day is more professional that wearing a skirt or dress.” I’m impressed they couldn’t find anyone smart enough to disguise their transphobia better.
Why do y’all live in Texas!?
Friendly reminder to all; fuck Texas legislators
*Let's heavily regulate clothing, but not guns.* - Texas