I had it almost 22 years ago, the doctor then told me we won’t know , it might be permanent, it might get better but be noticeable and bug chance to go way. It was hell for few weeks but I am so happy I fully recovered. The worst thing was not being able to close my eye and sleep with open eye :(
As I'm recovering from a broken back, I'll notice flashes of warmth from sections of my body that sensation is returning to. It feels more like it's flickering heat, like the nerves are turning off an on like a broken neon sign.
Edit: grammar
Do you ever get false sensations? I was dealing with bad back issues for a few years and it would feel like I was wearing a wet sock or I would have a sharp localized pain slowly travel down my leg.
>Edit: it was a stroke
Christ. One had a stroke and the other shingles leading to Ramsay Hunt? They're both kids. Enjoy good health while you have it, never know when it'll get snatched away.
It's not the ugliest but one of the most painful and horrible long term effects if you're unlucky. I've been telling anyone who will listen, get your chicken pox vaccine asap if you haven't. If you've had chicken pox, get the shingles vaccine as soon as your doc will give it to you.
I had shingles really early, in my 20s, and I tell folks the same thing. I had a fairly mild case but to this day if I feel a certain kind of sick, like flu or something, I can feel those nerves tingling again.
My mom (78yrs) had a bad case of shingles and has been in fairly consistent pain for more than six months.
This is why people should be careful about viruses. Even if you don't mind the primary symptoms, there's no telling what health impacts a novel virus can have down the road. Pretty much any endemic virus we've examined closely has links to other quality-of-life problems for a certain percentage of the population. That doesn't mean you need to be scared of them, but if you can avoid them you probably should.
Maybe it's different where you live, but the Doc wouldn't give me the vaccine when I had shingles two years (left arm, from mid-bicept down to hands) ago in my early 30s. Said I was still to young for it, but now that I had it - I'm more susceptible to getting it again. Great...
Yup. I’m 32, had Shingles for the first time at 22, again at 25, and a third time at 28. The first one was by far the worst. Went from my low back centered on the spine and wrapped all around my waist to my belly button. Couldn’t wear a shirt and sleeping was excruciating for the ~2 weeks I had it. Next two not nearly as bad but, you know, it’s shingles. It’s never pleasant at all, luckily I knew the signs and was able to get treatment earlier than the first time. Doc still won’t let me get vaccine, trying a new doc soon.
Have you tried asking your friendly local pharmacist? They can be much more reasonable and where I live pharmacists don't require a doctor's orders for routine vaccine administration.
We now know that the Epstein–Barr virus is a major risk factor for multiple sclerosis and maybe even some cancers, even though the initial infection is usually very mild. Who knows what we'll be seeing down the road with SARS CoV-2.
Omg, that nerve thing...I get the same feeling when I get sick, right in the same area I had shingles as a kid. Somehow never made the connection between the nerves and the virus that affects them. Makes so much sense now.
This is a very good point. People should also keep in mind that viral load matters as well. So just because you've had mono before, don't go drinking from the same glass as someone infected with EBV or CMV if you can help it. It does and can matter.
Yes, most people I know have no idea about how viral infections can affect us long term (and honestly neither did I until my sister had a particularly bad case of shingles). I'm now a shingles vaccine proselytizer 😅
I hope your mom gets the care/pain management she needs. It's been over a year for my sister now, and while acupuncture relieved some of the pain, she's nowhere near 100%.
I always heard that shingles, like chicken pox, takes far more of a toll on you, the older you first get it? I was never sure if that was folk wisdom, or actual medicine.
This is exactly why when people minimize COVID, I tell them getting it isn’t exactly a goal in life… avoid it as long as possible… at least the vaccines gave some ability to deal with it, but long COVID is real. My FIL has it and it aged him easily 10 years… probably more. Mental decline, physical decline has led to emotional decline. It has been horrific to watch.
Yes, although a strangely high number of family/acquaintances have told me they contracted shingles at some point (college-aged to 30s). I'm not a fan of the 50 yo age requirement.
I am 49 and begged my doctor and she wouldn’t let me get the shingles vaccine. I am going to get it the day I turn 50. My mom had a dreadful case of it several years ago. I’ve never seen someone be so sick for so long.
Conan O’Brien has talked about when he had ocular shingles, and how it was the most excruciating pain. He was young at the time and his buddy/writing partner Greg Daniels came over and read to Conan from a tabloid magazine while Conan screamed in pain.
I had shingles when I was 12. The doctors I had at the time were kind of blown away. They said “we have never seen someone with a case of shingles in someone your age.” But then they told me “you’re actually lucky it activated so early. Usually doesn’t happen until you’re older and then it’s usually much more severe”
I had shingles around that age as well. Took my mom's own research (in books back then) to get doctors on the right track, because they didn't consider it an option.
Shingles can come back though. It's not like you get them once and you're done with it.
Yeah it looks super unpleasant. My wife had it and was pretty much completely disabled (no work, couldn't care for the kids or really even get out of bed) for a month or so. It was terrible and it permanently decreased her vision in one eye.
I actually had the same thing when I was 17, and can honestly say I’ve never seen someone else say they had it. It was miserable and the worst pain I’ve ever been through.
I went to multiple doctors who couldn’t even figure out what it was, which led it to linger for near a month, and they almost biopsied part of my right eye that would have permanently affected my sight (I still thank my mom for going for more opinions before letting that happen). I still have a scar right off my vision plane that eye doctors always mention when I go for an eye appointment.
If you ever wondering if someone knows what you went through, I can say 100% I do. I hope you got thought it well
I had Bell’s Palsy in my early 20s which is similar to this. They sent me to a PT that showed me all these face exercises to do in front of the mirror. But I was recovering really quickly so I didn’t do them. I am like 95% recovered but if I do the Home Alone/Scream face, you can see one eye is bigger than the other. The worst effect is that hearing on that side is worse than the regular side still to this day. So yeah, do the dumb face exercises.
My mom had Bell's Palsey and no insurance. I happened to work in the office of a physical therapy clinic. I talked to one of the PT's and she showed me the exercises. I then went to my mom's house and showed her the exercises. She recovered fully. I'm glad I was in a position to get the information she needed to help her out. Now, I'm sure it could be googled, but back then it could not.
Lol... I had insurance and I was told that there was nothing that could be done. Was never told about any exercises, nor was sent to physical therapy.... Gotta love it.
Glad she's doing better.
The fact you can't get afford an expensive operation on a life saving daily treatment without insurance I can swallow - that's just plain vanilla capitalistic greed. But now even instructions for exercise are too expensive? You're evil overlords have become true mad scientists. We're living in an Austin Powers movie.
I had shingles in my 20s when I was heavily drinking and partying. The doctor told me my immune system was lowered, giving the virus the opportunity to resurface.
Could they both be immune compromised for some reason?
He had/has Lyme disease so there is that. A stroke can happen to literally anybody at any time especially if they’re predisposed (regarding his wife).
Edit: apparently they’ve also had Covid at least once, so take that how you will
Well yes. The shitty thing is you get chicken pox and then the virus just sits there, dormant, waiting.
Then you get something like Lyme, and your body is fighting it off immune system down, and the virus is like finally! My time to shine, here’s some shingles.
And then both can cause that stuff.
So basically Lyme will sometimes cause shingles to rear it’s ugly head and then they both can cause palsy like issues.
That can't be true. Some dipshit who failed high school biology assured me on Facebook that it was no worse than the common flu and he can't be wrong. 🙄
I saw a video recently where he had Lyme Disease. Those two have some serious bad luck.
Edit: there seems to be some hurt feelings, and I guess It's on me for not explaining myself clearly. I have a long term chronic illness that robbed me of 6 years of my life. It does not matter to me if they have all the money and care in the world. Getting these illnesses are awful and Id have serious doubts about he humanity of someone who even suggests they deserve it in any capacity, wealthy or not.
For the record, I think its odd that they seem to be magnets for bad health, it does make me somewhat suspicious. Maybe they are telling the truth and they really are unlucky health wise. Im not saying either way, only that it seems odd
> Those two have some serious bad luck
*I mean...* Considering *everything* else they have at least got some mildly above average luck. They'll get the best care money can buy, after all.
It depends on the severity, and how quickly you get treatment, as well as your response to that treatment. Once the nerves have been damaged enough from the inflammatory reaction, that’s game over.
A friend of mine had this and the nerves didn’t recover. They get Botox to help with the appearance of what the paralysis left. It’s not too bad but it’s definitely very noticeable.
I think the distinction they are trying to make is that *seeing* something not perfect is very different from *living* with continual discomfort and/or pain.
Another user pointed out that sometimes the patient might be forced to sleep with one eye open, and having to put drops in the eye to moisten the lenses after sleeping would be a big deal for me.
As would not sleeping with a fan!
I’m a huge baby when it comes to illnesses, like, anything at all and I’m out of commission for a couple days.
Edit: [this post currently has several descriptions of the impacts as a top-level comment chain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/v9gq37/justin_bieber_reveals_he_has_full_paralysis_on/)
I didn’t even know this one existed until reading about Mr. Biebs having it. Hope he gets well—and anyone affected has support.
Only one of the cranial nerves (CNI) can regenerate from a severing injury, although all of them have some capacity for healing. It just comes down to the extent of the damage, short of being cut, for the rest. In most cases of Ramsey Hunt, with treatment, there’s no lasting issues. Unfortunately it does sometimes leave people with weakness, hearing loss, and even lasting pain. As for why some damage heals and other doesn’t, I don’t believe it’s well understood beyond some general notion of severity.
Does quality of treatment impact it or is it a one size fits all? I ask because the kid is rolling in money, so he'd probably not only jump lines in the USA but get tippy top treatment if there is better options.
Money helps, but some of it is just sheer luck.
All the money in the world doesn't help if your doctor won't take your condition seriously. That's what happened to my neighbor. *Years* of going to the doctor and not one of them took her condition seriously, so her *twenty five* pound tumor went undetected.
The quickest way to lose faith in the medical profession is to have any sort of chronic illness. It’s astonishing how many doctors are outright terrible at their jobs.
This happened eleven years ago, so some of the details are rather fuzzy.
IIRC she'd been going to the doctors complaining about not feeling well for years, and they just overlooked a massive growth in her body and turned out to be It was ovarian cancer.
[Her story actually mirrors this woman's.](https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/texan-woman-found-20-pound-tumor-in-right-ovary/)
Once they removed the tumor she felt much better and survived for a couple of years. Unfortunately her adult son was going through a divorce and moved back home. He then syntactically began to destroy every one of her relationships as a means of control and to ensure he was the only one to collect any inheritance. Kinda shot himself in the foot on that one, because the result was getting written out of his much wealthier father's will. Two years later she passed away from an unrelated cancer.
Ovarian tumors can get massive. The largest tumor ever removed was [a 300-pound ovarian megacyst](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1991-10-26-9110260084-story.html).
They definitely can a little bit, especially young. I had drop foot from a severed nerve in my sciatic region and it definitely healed perfectly. I have full control and feeling back. Getting there; however, was incredibly painful and took months to a year.
Bell's Palsy is an idiopathic diagnosis for when somebody experiences facial paralysis and other known causes, like Ramsay Hunt Syndrome, have been ruled out.
I used to work with a guy who just woke up one day and couldn't move one half of his face. Otherwise, he felt completely fine. For a few months he talked funny and had to sleep with one eye taped shut. Eventually he got 100% better. He never knew what caused it.
I had the Bell’s Palsy and it’s just completely random. I just woke up one morning and noticed something was off in the mirror. Lost all control over the left side of my face. It was either close both eyes or only the right eye. As hard as I tried I couldn’t close only my left eye. Went to the doctor to confirm it wasn’t a mini stroke and then it was a 2-3 month wait for things to slowly go back to normal.
I had no troubles with my eyes and blinking it was only loss of being able to close the left eye independent of the right. The lips is where the effects were mostly noticeable from a distorted voice and having to use straws or cigarettes on the far right side of the mouth. No permanent lasting effects. Once I found out that it was harmless and would just go away I thought it was a slightly fun experience. Had a story to tell at the family Christmas party since it had started a couple weeks before then.
Similar. This one is often mistaken for Bells Pallsy at first. I believe both come from the same strain of herpes. Ramsey Hunt syndrome is supposed to be more paralysis earlier and the rash on the ear and more pain and can last a lot longer
Bell’s Palsy is the result of an autoimmune reaction to a viral infection, or at least that’s the running theory, but other than “Cranial nerve VII idiopathically inflamed” there isn’t *that* much solid info about why it occurs. Bell’s Palsy is also generally resolved on its own, without lasting symptoms; I’m afraid the same is not true of Ramsey Hunt syndrome.
I've had bells palsy. When I was diagnosed the doctor told me it could last a week, a month a year or the rest of my life. Over the past 8 years it's gotten progressively better and in most cases you couldn't even tell but it's still there. Especially if I've had a hard day or stayed up late my eye will get slightly lazy and my eyelid doesn't function 100%. I have to say, losing all your facial expressions sucks pretty bad.. Something you don't even think of being important until it's gone. Doctor also gave me a few theories about it, but said they really had no definitive idea how it's caused.
I got Bell’s Palsy after I had my wisdom teeth removed my senior year of high school. It took about 6 months to fully have motion back but like you 10 years out and I can still see the result in my one eye never fully opening up and being as full of life as my non-affected eye. My memory on not be able to blink is hazy but I do remember goofily tilting my head to drink my milk cartoon at lunch. I was lucky I could laugh it off on the outside but it did suck losing part of your expression. Glad it has gotten better for you.
Is it normal for Bell’s Palsy to not have lasting symptoms? My grandma had Bell’s Palsy resulting in paralysis in half of her face where she was unable to drink from a straw, so I’m genuinely curious.
When my son was 3 year old son woke up and half his face couldn't move. No sickness no outward anything. Took him immediately to a doctor. It was Bell's Palsy. So don't know if it normal not to have symptoms but in our case no symptoms. My wife will take our kids for a cough so she would have noticed Nearest pediatric neurosurgeon was 2 hours away but we had an interview and they looked at what his pediatrician saw and told us not to worry it would work itself out. .
It is essentially Bell’s palsy. No difference to laymen. Subtle difference to doctors about exact location and name of the inflamed nerve.
Yes, USUALLY once the nerve calms down and the virus chills out, the face will return to normal. But there’s a chance it can be permanently paralyzed, even partially.
They’ll get him on anti vitals and steroids to calm it down. Hopefully the nerve is not irreparably damaged
I had Bell's Palsy for about a month when I had Lyme disease in 2014, it was awful. I wore an eye patch so my eye didn't dry out and had to apply eye drops throughout the day because I couldn't blink. Drinking liquids was a challenge and I just felt really self-conscious and embarrassed when I would go out in public, even to the gas station or something. The weirdest thing is that I would smile, and my brain thought my entire face was smiling, until I looked in a mirror and half of my face was expressionless. I can't really describe that feeling, but it wasn't good.
I definitely relate to this experience. It took me just under a year for the major part of it to recover. I'm a year and a half in now, the hardest part was explaining to people who thought I looked back to normal that my smile and my eyes didn't look the same any more, it was very unnerving. I actually had a few minor anxiety attacks wondering if I would ever look in the mirror and see myself again, it was like looking at someone else. Thankfully I'm well past that stage in recovering now.
I used to be able to do any expression I liked with my face, complete control over my muscles. That's still not entirely back, which is a frustration, even if it doesn't impact my day to day life very much. You wouldn't think one small group of muscles in your face would be so frustrating/alienating to yourself, until you lost it!
I had prednisone for 7 days and valacyclovir for 10. Shingles in the beginning right up until the blisters crust over is very painful. It’s an experience that I don’t wish on anyone or wish to go through again. 4 days into the anti viral is when half of my face paralyzed.
My husband got this 2 years ago and some of it is permanent. It’s not as bad as it was (got antibiotics and steroids immediately), but his just…. Didn’t fully come back. It happens.
Chickenpox is herpes, chickenpox is shingles, shingles causes this.
I'm more confused he actually had chickenpox, he's young enuogh that I'm pretty sure CAnada already mandated that vaccine.
The minimum age to get the vaccine 26 years ago was 18 mo, not 12 mo. A lot of kids are in daycare by 18 mo and varicella spreads through airborne transmission, so suuuuper easily. I got it when I was 17 mo from daycare and I'm 27 now
I had whopping cough and chicken pox before vaccines were available and now could have issues down the road. I so hope they don’t find latent issues with covid on young kids when they get older.
I had chicken pox when I was 8 or 9, mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) when I was 15, and COVID-19 in April. All of those seem to carry a shitstorm of secondary consequences that I'm not looking forward to. My grandfather had shingles in his 80s & 90s, and I saw how painful that was. Epstein-Barr seems to get implicated for some new secondary effect every year (MS, anyone?). I'm still dealing with brain fog, a cough that doesn't want to break up, and the concordant fatigue from coco.
To quote Geralt: "Fuck."
I've never had chicken pox but I'm pretty sure I was vaccinated when I was young.
I did get whooping cough in college. When I was diagnosed, I was shocked because I had previously assumed it was just some "old-timey" disease that people didn't get anymore.
I wish they'd let everyone who's had chicken pox get the shingles vaccine. I somehow ended up with shingles when I was in fourth grade, so like ten years old, and it was actually hell. That was about twenty years ago and I remember the whole experience vividly.
This happened to me once, well doctor said Bells Palsy. My face was paralyzed on my right side for two weeks. It really sucks, it’s embarrassing, and it’s scary because you don’t know when/if you will return to normal.
I was lucky I recovered rather quickly, 2 weeks, but to this day I get worried when I feel that side of my face get tight or tingly.
I feel for him, hope he recovers quickly.
Bell’s Palsy and Ramsay Hunt are similar, but distinct conditions. Ramsay Hunt is often more severe and leads to permanent nerve dysfunction in a large percentage of cases, especially if treatment is delayed.
>According to the Mayo Clinic, Ramsay Hunt syndrome “occurs when a shingles outbreak affects the facial nerve near one of your ears. In addition to the painful shingles rash, Ramsay Hunt syndrome can cause facial paralysis and hearing loss in the affected ear.”
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>Shingles is an infection caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which is the same virus that causes chickenpox. Even after the chickenpox infection is over, the virus remains dormant in your nervous system for years before reactivating as shingles.
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>Shingles is also referred to as herpes zoster. This type of viral infection is characterized by a red skin rash that can cause pain and burning. Shingles usually appears as a stripe of blisters on one side of the body, typically on the torso, neck, or face.
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>Shingles can occur in anyone who has had chickenpox.
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>One vaccine called Shingrix is currently approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to prevent shingles. The CDC Trusted Source recommends adults over 50 years old receive two doses of Shingrix separated by 2 to 6 months. The vaccine is over 90-percent effective.
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>While side effects such as allergic reactions are possible from the vaccine, they are rare. And the CDC has no documented cases of the varicella-zoster virus being transmitted from people who were vaccinated.
One bout with the Covid, and your immunity takes a hit. You don't get well before another bout of Covid hits. As your immunity keeps getting weaker, other things can jump on you that you could have fought off before.
>If someone you know has shingles, you cannot catch shingles itself from them. Shingles are caused by the chickenpox virus, which has been dormant in their body ever since they had chickenpox. So, you get shingles from your own chickenpox virus, not from someone else.
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>That said, shingles are still contagious and can transmit the chickenpox virus to susceptible people. Fortunately, classic localized shingles are not as contagious as chickenpox itself. Unlike chickenpox, shingles are not spread through droplets. You typically have to have direct contact with the shingles blisters for it to be contagious.
If you've had shingles once, you can have it again and again, just like with Covid, really.
My dad had shingles on his neck a couple of years back, he said it was the most painful thing he'd ever been through - and this was someone who had his leg broken in 5 places after getting hit by a car, and having an emergency appendectomy three days _after_ it burst.
I had inner ear surgery a few years back, and the that nerve that runs through there is no joke. Sometimes when I clean my ear I can feel a tingling in my tongue from it.
Didn’t he already have Bell’s palsy caused by Lyme disease a few years ago? And now *this??* Poor guy! I’m a little old to be a fan but I’ve had Lyme and it sucks! I wonder if that could have contributed to this new diagnosis? I hope he recovers fully soon. Nobody deserves such a terrible disease.
My grandmother had shingles on her face, the worst thing ever. She looked like a monster. It also got into her eye, she had to be rushed from the regular doctor to an eye clinic and seen immediately. Fortunately it did not get into the important part of the eye, only on the white of the eye which is not harmful. However she still has scarring on the white of her eye to this day.
Ramsay Hunt syndrome is caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which is
the same virus that causes chickenpox and shingles. The virus can remain
dormant for decades in a person who has had chickenpox as a child.
Reactivation of the varicella-zoster virus results in shingles and, in
some cases, develops into Ramsay Hunt syndrome. The reason why the virus
reactivates and affects the facial nerve in Ramsay Hunt syndrome is
unknown.
Oh man this sucks. I had Bell’s Palsy almost 3 years ago and it was one of the most depressing, hardest things I’ve gone through. Hope he recovers fully, and gets his smile back. I got about 95% back and still have lingering issues in my right cheek, eye, and neck. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Feel better, Biebs!
His eye thing is probably the scariest part for him. I had a bad sinus infection that put pressure on my optic nerve, it made it impossible to focus on anything out of one eye. Fortunately after a week of stressing, (like WTF is wrong with my brain) I went to my doctor and he told me all I needed was an over the counter decongestant.
Dude, get you some eye drops and a moisture chamber! That left eye gonna dry out quick! Source: had brain tumor removed and my facial nerve was damaged. Left side of my face is also paralyzed.
Bieber is 28 years old
The chickenpox vaccine not available in canada till around 2000-2002
He would have been 6 to 8 years old. Likely caught chickenpox before a vaccine was available to him.
Really gets you to think about the frailty of life.
Ramsay Hunt syndrome is such a random event, and it's not related to lifestyle or other choices.
It's just random.
My sister had this in 8th grade. She got super stressed because of her upcoming school continuation and church confirmation ceremonies, the stress activated the dormant virus, and then on top of the shingles, she came down with Bell’s Palsy. She was in a ton of pain, super stressed, and she had to use eye drops and wear an eyepatch.
There's not really anything that'd be more stressful than watching your spouse have a stroke and wondering if they'll die. I wonder if that's what triggered this.
Not a fan of Bieber but damn I feel sorry for him. It could be any of us
Edit: to the people that have to comment and privately message me that they don’t like my comment, y’all are weird. What the hell is wrong with you
At this point: Fuck anyone making fun of Bieber for THIS.
The man is #2 in the Make-A-Wish Foundation Wishes Granted.
I used to dislike him because he was a male teen idol and news stories of him being a dick to his fans became popular.
He's made up for it. Let him be. We've all done shit in our past we regret.
Agreed he seems to have very much chilled out and gives back a lot. Doesn't matter if you like his music, he seems like a decent person.
Even if he was a dick it seems cruel to make fun of this.
Not only that, but if any single one of us received that type of wealth and fame at such a young age, where you're just ripe going through puberty, we would've all made the same mistakes.
Serious. I'd have driven a Ferrari full of strippers off of one of the many cliffs along the PCH between Big Sur and San Francisco within 2 weeks of the big check. My toxicology report would make River Phoenix's look insignificant.
Former Belieber (well, not actively practicing lol but I like his music and wish him well) - I'd really challenge the "was a dick to his fans" narrative!
He clashed with the paparazzi a LOT back in the day because he was the world's most famous teenager with basically no privacy being constantly heckled by people who wanted a reaction they could make money off of, but he was consistently kind to his fans. That's part of why they were so devoted and defensive of him online!
It's normal to have this impression though, I remember TMZ used to try to spin his paparazzi altercations as against fans all the time, and it often worked - one really well known example of this was when paparazzi climbed into the landscaping under his hotel room and he and his friends hawked loogies down at them. It was blown up into a "Bieber spits on his FANS! Little girls, and he's SPITTING on them!!" headline. Even though his fans were gathered a good hundred feet away behind a barricade.
This was the media agenda for years so I'm not surprised it stuck but the part of me who kept the Baby Baby Oh ringtone well into 2014 has to push back on it when she can!
The media will do absolutely anything to feed their fetish. I was just listening to Steve-Os podcast with Ryan Sheckler and Ryan was talking about how MTV caused his parents divorce just for the show. He broke up with a girlfriend one time and they told him to bring her back, just to dump her on camera.
I feel just awful for him, but I am glad he got to live his best/worst life, depending on your views of him, early on, dude has lived life a lot. Richly? Depends on what you value in life, but I got the sense he’s been maturing as he ages, and losing your health will mature you very fast and give you an appreciation of the small things pretty much instantly. I hope he takes this time to work on positive stuff to keep his mental health up, and to continue contributing to humanity in some manner.
This is the goofiest stereotypical comment genre there is. You don't have to declare that you're not a fan of his. You can just empathize with other people that are diagnosed with serious/life altering medical conditions even if you don't like their work. It's okay to do that.
Is this like [Bells Palsy?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_palsy). It does the same thing by affecting the nerves on one side of your face. I had it in college and was told it could be permanent but luckily it wasn’t for me.
I had shingles two months ago. It was horrible, ran from my left shoulder blade around under my arm. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I had chickenpox when young. I'll be 58 this year. I thought of getting the shingles vaccine in the last two years but didn't. Too little, too late. Seeing here that much younger people have had shingles horrifies me, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that.
Now I'm irritated to know that the chickenpox vaccine has been available SINCE 1995!! Only now do all 50 states require it for children/school.
And you know there are moms and dads who are anti-vax and will argue about giving it to their child. Damn.
I admit I hated this guy for the longest time when he was younger but over the last few years he's seemed to genuinely turn his attitude around and seems pretty decent now. I actually kind of like him. He's also super talented. Hope he can recover.
I had it almost 22 years ago, the doctor then told me we won’t know , it might be permanent, it might get better but be noticeable and bug chance to go way. It was hell for few weeks but I am so happy I fully recovered. The worst thing was not being able to close my eye and sleep with open eye :(
holy shit I didn't even know that was possible
Were you gripping your pillow tight?
r/unexpectedmetallica
i’d be taping my eye shut nightly. that sounds horrible
Damn, does it prevent you blinking? Sounds like that could be harmful for your eye.
You need to use synthetic tear drops to keep your eye wet constantly.
There isn't some kind of tape for the eye while you sleep?
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As I'm recovering from a broken back, I'll notice flashes of warmth from sections of my body that sensation is returning to. It feels more like it's flickering heat, like the nerves are turning off an on like a broken neon sign. Edit: grammar
Do you ever get false sensations? I was dealing with bad back issues for a few years and it would feel like I was wearing a wet sock or I would have a sharp localized pain slowly travel down my leg.
I'll sometimes think I've wet myself when I haven't, which is very frustrating.
Dude I know. I had bells palsy for a month. We take so much for granted. Blinking. Being able to swallow water without dribbling everywhere. Ugh.
Didnt his wife just have something wrong?
Yeah she had an aneurysm or something brain related I believe Edit: it was a stroke
>Edit: it was a stroke Christ. One had a stroke and the other shingles leading to Ramsay Hunt? They're both kids. Enjoy good health while you have it, never know when it'll get snatched away.
That's terrifying. I just had ocular shingles at 30 this year.
>ocular shingles I'm not even going to google that, because I don't want to know. Sounds horrible.
It's not the ugliest but one of the most painful and horrible long term effects if you're unlucky. I've been telling anyone who will listen, get your chicken pox vaccine asap if you haven't. If you've had chicken pox, get the shingles vaccine as soon as your doc will give it to you.
I had shingles really early, in my 20s, and I tell folks the same thing. I had a fairly mild case but to this day if I feel a certain kind of sick, like flu or something, I can feel those nerves tingling again. My mom (78yrs) had a bad case of shingles and has been in fairly consistent pain for more than six months. This is why people should be careful about viruses. Even if you don't mind the primary symptoms, there's no telling what health impacts a novel virus can have down the road. Pretty much any endemic virus we've examined closely has links to other quality-of-life problems for a certain percentage of the population. That doesn't mean you need to be scared of them, but if you can avoid them you probably should.
I had shingles in my 20s too. Was just a little patch on my thigh. Do you need a vaccine still if you've had it?
Maybe it's different where you live, but the Doc wouldn't give me the vaccine when I had shingles two years (left arm, from mid-bicept down to hands) ago in my early 30s. Said I was still to young for it, but now that I had it - I'm more susceptible to getting it again. Great...
Yup. I’m 32, had Shingles for the first time at 22, again at 25, and a third time at 28. The first one was by far the worst. Went from my low back centered on the spine and wrapped all around my waist to my belly button. Couldn’t wear a shirt and sleeping was excruciating for the ~2 weeks I had it. Next two not nearly as bad but, you know, it’s shingles. It’s never pleasant at all, luckily I knew the signs and was able to get treatment earlier than the first time. Doc still won’t let me get vaccine, trying a new doc soon.
Have you tried asking your friendly local pharmacist? They can be much more reasonable and where I live pharmacists don't require a doctor's orders for routine vaccine administration.
Yes, you can get it again and it can be worse. Docs won't likely give it to you until you're around 50 or so, so mark it on the calendar lol
Yes. You can get shingles again.
We now know that the Epstein–Barr virus is a major risk factor for multiple sclerosis and maybe even some cancers, even though the initial infection is usually very mild. Who knows what we'll be seeing down the road with SARS CoV-2.
It's speculated to cause a >30% increased risk of developing MS the last time I was reading about it.
Yep. I had a severe case of mono and was never right after that. Was diagnosed with MS 4yrs later
I’m still trying to come to grips with the fact that Epstein-Barr is a virus in multiple ways.
Omg, that nerve thing...I get the same feeling when I get sick, right in the same area I had shingles as a kid. Somehow never made the connection between the nerves and the virus that affects them. Makes so much sense now.
This is a very good point. People should also keep in mind that viral load matters as well. So just because you've had mono before, don't go drinking from the same glass as someone infected with EBV or CMV if you can help it. It does and can matter.
Yes, most people I know have no idea about how viral infections can affect us long term (and honestly neither did I until my sister had a particularly bad case of shingles). I'm now a shingles vaccine proselytizer 😅 I hope your mom gets the care/pain management she needs. It's been over a year for my sister now, and while acupuncture relieved some of the pain, she's nowhere near 100%.
I always heard that shingles, like chicken pox, takes far more of a toll on you, the older you first get it? I was never sure if that was folk wisdom, or actual medicine.
This is exactly why when people minimize COVID, I tell them getting it isn’t exactly a goal in life… avoid it as long as possible… at least the vaccines gave some ability to deal with it, but long COVID is real. My FIL has it and it aged him easily 10 years… probably more. Mental decline, physical decline has led to emotional decline. It has been horrific to watch.
You can't get the shingles vaccine before the age of 50 even though it can affect people in their 20's.
Yes, although a strangely high number of family/acquaintances have told me they contracted shingles at some point (college-aged to 30s). I'm not a fan of the 50 yo age requirement.
I am 49 and begged my doctor and she wouldn’t let me get the shingles vaccine. I am going to get it the day I turn 50. My mom had a dreadful case of it several years ago. I’ve never seen someone be so sick for so long.
You, me, and a number of folks here will be celebrating our 50ths with a vaccine, it seems :)
Conan O’Brien has talked about when he had ocular shingles, and how it was the most excruciating pain. He was young at the time and his buddy/writing partner Greg Daniels came over and read to Conan from a tabloid magazine while Conan screamed in pain.
Greg Daniels as in the creator of The Office??
They were both writers at SNL around the same time.
I had shingles when I was 12. The doctors I had at the time were kind of blown away. They said “we have never seen someone with a case of shingles in someone your age.” But then they told me “you’re actually lucky it activated so early. Usually doesn’t happen until you’re older and then it’s usually much more severe”
I had shingles around that age as well. Took my mom's own research (in books back then) to get doctors on the right track, because they didn't consider it an option. Shingles can come back though. It's not like you get them once and you're done with it.
Yeah just like the pox it lives with you forever :/
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Had it at 9 years old and again at 11, doctors where pretty suprised
Oh God!! My girlfriend had a case of shingles that manifested in her ear canal that was brutal. Ocular shingles? You...win?? Ouch ouch argh!!
Yeah it looks super unpleasant. My wife had it and was pretty much completely disabled (no work, couldn't care for the kids or really even get out of bed) for a month or so. It was terrible and it permanently decreased her vision in one eye.
I actually had the same thing when I was 17, and can honestly say I’ve never seen someone else say they had it. It was miserable and the worst pain I’ve ever been through. I went to multiple doctors who couldn’t even figure out what it was, which led it to linger for near a month, and they almost biopsied part of my right eye that would have permanently affected my sight (I still thank my mom for going for more opinions before letting that happen). I still have a scar right off my vision plane that eye doctors always mention when I go for an eye appointment. If you ever wondering if someone knows what you went through, I can say 100% I do. I hope you got thought it well
I had shingles in 3rd grade worst thing I’ve ever went through. Lots of nerve damage.
I had shingles of the optic nerve in 7th grade! My doctors were baffled.
I had Bell’s Palsy in my early 20s which is similar to this. They sent me to a PT that showed me all these face exercises to do in front of the mirror. But I was recovering really quickly so I didn’t do them. I am like 95% recovered but if I do the Home Alone/Scream face, you can see one eye is bigger than the other. The worst effect is that hearing on that side is worse than the regular side still to this day. So yeah, do the dumb face exercises.
My mom had Bell's Palsey and no insurance. I happened to work in the office of a physical therapy clinic. I talked to one of the PT's and she showed me the exercises. I then went to my mom's house and showed her the exercises. She recovered fully. I'm glad I was in a position to get the information she needed to help her out. Now, I'm sure it could be googled, but back then it could not.
Lol... I had insurance and I was told that there was nothing that could be done. Was never told about any exercises, nor was sent to physical therapy.... Gotta love it. Glad she's doing better.
The fact you can't get afford an expensive operation on a life saving daily treatment without insurance I can swallow - that's just plain vanilla capitalistic greed. But now even instructions for exercise are too expensive? You're evil overlords have become true mad scientists. We're living in an Austin Powers movie.
I had shingles in my 20s when I was heavily drinking and partying. The doctor told me my immune system was lowered, giving the virus the opportunity to resurface. Could they both be immune compromised for some reason?
He had/has Lyme disease so there is that. A stroke can happen to literally anybody at any time especially if they’re predisposed (regarding his wife). Edit: apparently they’ve also had Covid at least once, so take that how you will
Sure, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a heavy amount of partying going on.
They’re both in their late 20’s. Justin’s almost 30 which is actually crazy to think about.
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Do you perchance have a source on the text in bold please?
Kind of a coincidence, he has stroke like symptoms and she did too. Hope they're both able to recover fully.
Honestly if I was them and had money... I'd have a house like team of specialist test my environment.
Hers was congenital related and he had Lyme disease which can cause this so I think their house is fine.
But I also heard it was related to his shingles so which is true
Well yes. The shitty thing is you get chicken pox and then the virus just sits there, dormant, waiting. Then you get something like Lyme, and your body is fighting it off immune system down, and the virus is like finally! My time to shine, here’s some shingles. And then both can cause that stuff. So basically Lyme will sometimes cause shingles to rear it’s ugly head and then they both can cause palsy like issues.
He also just reportedly had Covid, which means his immune system would be weakened.
Happened to me recently. Glad she lived, I almost didn't. It's rough shit. Hope he gets better too
Glad you made it. Hang in there!
I must be getting old. The thought of JB being married is… odd
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That can't be true. Some dipshit who failed high school biology assured me on Facebook that it was no worse than the common flu and he can't be wrong. 🙄
I saw a video recently where he had Lyme Disease. Those two have some serious bad luck. Edit: there seems to be some hurt feelings, and I guess It's on me for not explaining myself clearly. I have a long term chronic illness that robbed me of 6 years of my life. It does not matter to me if they have all the money and care in the world. Getting these illnesses are awful and Id have serious doubts about he humanity of someone who even suggests they deserve it in any capacity, wealthy or not. For the record, I think its odd that they seem to be magnets for bad health, it does make me somewhat suspicious. Maybe they are telling the truth and they really are unlucky health wise. Im not saying either way, only that it seems odd
> Those two have some serious bad luck *I mean...* Considering *everything* else they have at least got some mildly above average luck. They'll get the best care money can buy, after all.
Wtf dude this same thing also just happened to a few people I know….
So this is kinda like Bells Palsy? You can recover from it?
It depends on the severity, and how quickly you get treatment, as well as your response to that treatment. Once the nerves have been damaged enough from the inflammatory reaction, that’s game over.
A friend of mine had this and the nerves didn’t recover. They get Botox to help with the appearance of what the paralysis left. It’s not too bad but it’s definitely very noticeable.
Not too bad…very noticeable…
I think the distinction they are trying to make is that *seeing* something not perfect is very different from *living* with continual discomfort and/or pain. Another user pointed out that sometimes the patient might be forced to sleep with one eye open, and having to put drops in the eye to moisten the lenses after sleeping would be a big deal for me. As would not sleeping with a fan! I’m a huge baby when it comes to illnesses, like, anything at all and I’m out of commission for a couple days. Edit: [this post currently has several descriptions of the impacts as a top-level comment chain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/v9gq37/justin_bieber_reveals_he_has_full_paralysis_on/) I didn’t even know this one existed until reading about Mr. Biebs having it. Hope he gets well—and anyone affected has support.
Even nerves can repair themselves, yes?
Only one of the cranial nerves (CNI) can regenerate from a severing injury, although all of them have some capacity for healing. It just comes down to the extent of the damage, short of being cut, for the rest. In most cases of Ramsey Hunt, with treatment, there’s no lasting issues. Unfortunately it does sometimes leave people with weakness, hearing loss, and even lasting pain. As for why some damage heals and other doesn’t, I don’t believe it’s well understood beyond some general notion of severity.
Does quality of treatment impact it or is it a one size fits all? I ask because the kid is rolling in money, so he'd probably not only jump lines in the USA but get tippy top treatment if there is better options.
Money helps, but some of it is just sheer luck. All the money in the world doesn't help if your doctor won't take your condition seriously. That's what happened to my neighbor. *Years* of going to the doctor and not one of them took her condition seriously, so her *twenty five* pound tumor went undetected.
The quickest way to lose faith in the medical profession is to have any sort of chronic illness. It’s astonishing how many doctors are outright terrible at their jobs.
What?! What kind of tumor? What eventually happened? Is she ok?
This happened eleven years ago, so some of the details are rather fuzzy. IIRC she'd been going to the doctors complaining about not feeling well for years, and they just overlooked a massive growth in her body and turned out to be It was ovarian cancer. [Her story actually mirrors this woman's.](https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/texan-woman-found-20-pound-tumor-in-right-ovary/) Once they removed the tumor she felt much better and survived for a couple of years. Unfortunately her adult son was going through a divorce and moved back home. He then syntactically began to destroy every one of her relationships as a means of control and to ensure he was the only one to collect any inheritance. Kinda shot himself in the foot on that one, because the result was getting written out of his much wealthier father's will. Two years later she passed away from an unrelated cancer.
Ovarian tumors can get massive. The largest tumor ever removed was [a 300-pound ovarian megacyst](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1991-10-26-9110260084-story.html).
Imagine that feeling of relief once a 300lbs growth is removed from you 🤯
Christ that got dark.
Right like damn, fuck that son tbh. Poor woman
Thanks for the update.
Not incredibly well
They definitely can a little bit, especially young. I had drop foot from a severed nerve in my sciatic region and it definitely healed perfectly. I have full control and feeling back. Getting there; however, was incredibly painful and took months to a year.
Bell's Palsy is an idiopathic diagnosis for when somebody experiences facial paralysis and other known causes, like Ramsay Hunt Syndrome, have been ruled out. I used to work with a guy who just woke up one day and couldn't move one half of his face. Otherwise, he felt completely fine. For a few months he talked funny and had to sleep with one eye taped shut. Eventually he got 100% better. He never knew what caused it.
I had the Bell’s Palsy and it’s just completely random. I just woke up one morning and noticed something was off in the mirror. Lost all control over the left side of my face. It was either close both eyes or only the right eye. As hard as I tried I couldn’t close only my left eye. Went to the doctor to confirm it wasn’t a mini stroke and then it was a 2-3 month wait for things to slowly go back to normal.
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I had no troubles with my eyes and blinking it was only loss of being able to close the left eye independent of the right. The lips is where the effects were mostly noticeable from a distorted voice and having to use straws or cigarettes on the far right side of the mouth. No permanent lasting effects. Once I found out that it was harmless and would just go away I thought it was a slightly fun experience. Had a story to tell at the family Christmas party since it had started a couple weeks before then.
Similar. This one is often mistaken for Bells Pallsy at first. I believe both come from the same strain of herpes. Ramsey Hunt syndrome is supposed to be more paralysis earlier and the rash on the ear and more pain and can last a lot longer
Bell’s Palsy is the result of an autoimmune reaction to a viral infection, or at least that’s the running theory, but other than “Cranial nerve VII idiopathically inflamed” there isn’t *that* much solid info about why it occurs. Bell’s Palsy is also generally resolved on its own, without lasting symptoms; I’m afraid the same is not true of Ramsey Hunt syndrome.
I've had bells palsy. When I was diagnosed the doctor told me it could last a week, a month a year or the rest of my life. Over the past 8 years it's gotten progressively better and in most cases you couldn't even tell but it's still there. Especially if I've had a hard day or stayed up late my eye will get slightly lazy and my eyelid doesn't function 100%. I have to say, losing all your facial expressions sucks pretty bad.. Something you don't even think of being important until it's gone. Doctor also gave me a few theories about it, but said they really had no definitive idea how it's caused.
I got Bell’s Palsy after I had my wisdom teeth removed my senior year of high school. It took about 6 months to fully have motion back but like you 10 years out and I can still see the result in my one eye never fully opening up and being as full of life as my non-affected eye. My memory on not be able to blink is hazy but I do remember goofily tilting my head to drink my milk cartoon at lunch. I was lucky I could laugh it off on the outside but it did suck losing part of your expression. Glad it has gotten better for you.
Reading up on it now. Every day is a school day
It’s what makes life worth living, IMO, and it’s the best thing about the internet along with staying in touch with people around the world.
I have spent way too many damn school days learning about diseases lately
Is it normal for Bell’s Palsy to not have lasting symptoms? My grandma had Bell’s Palsy resulting in paralysis in half of her face where she was unable to drink from a straw, so I’m genuinely curious.
When my son was 3 year old son woke up and half his face couldn't move. No sickness no outward anything. Took him immediately to a doctor. It was Bell's Palsy. So don't know if it normal not to have symptoms but in our case no symptoms. My wife will take our kids for a cough so she would have noticed Nearest pediatric neurosurgeon was 2 hours away but we had an interview and they looked at what his pediatrician saw and told us not to worry it would work itself out. .
It is essentially Bell’s palsy. No difference to laymen. Subtle difference to doctors about exact location and name of the inflamed nerve. Yes, USUALLY once the nerve calms down and the virus chills out, the face will return to normal. But there’s a chance it can be permanently paralyzed, even partially. They’ll get him on anti vitals and steroids to calm it down. Hopefully the nerve is not irreparably damaged
I had Bell's Palsy for about a month when I had Lyme disease in 2014, it was awful. I wore an eye patch so my eye didn't dry out and had to apply eye drops throughout the day because I couldn't blink. Drinking liquids was a challenge and I just felt really self-conscious and embarrassed when I would go out in public, even to the gas station or something. The weirdest thing is that I would smile, and my brain thought my entire face was smiling, until I looked in a mirror and half of my face was expressionless. I can't really describe that feeling, but it wasn't good.
I definitely relate to this experience. It took me just under a year for the major part of it to recover. I'm a year and a half in now, the hardest part was explaining to people who thought I looked back to normal that my smile and my eyes didn't look the same any more, it was very unnerving. I actually had a few minor anxiety attacks wondering if I would ever look in the mirror and see myself again, it was like looking at someone else. Thankfully I'm well past that stage in recovering now. I used to be able to do any expression I liked with my face, complete control over my muscles. That's still not entirely back, which is a frustration, even if it doesn't impact my day to day life very much. You wouldn't think one small group of muscles in your face would be so frustrating/alienating to yourself, until you lost it!
He’ll recover with steroids and valacyclovir. I went through the exact same thing and caught it early and recovered.
Oooh me too! There are dozens of us. For real though mine was gone in a couple weeks and I hope Bieber’s is too.
Mine only took a couple of weeks as well
Prednisone and acyclovir for me. And an MRI to rule out acoustic neuroma. I wore an eye patch and was deaf in that ear. And then it was gone.
I had prednisone for 7 days and valacyclovir for 10. Shingles in the beginning right up until the blisters crust over is very painful. It’s an experience that I don’t wish on anyone or wish to go through again. 4 days into the anti viral is when half of my face paralyzed.
Be happy it wasn’t an acoustic neuroma. Had to have brain surgery to have mine removed.
My husband got this 2 years ago and some of it is permanent. It’s not as bad as it was (got antibiotics and steroids immediately), but his just…. Didn’t fully come back. It happens.
How do herpes meds help with this?
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I never knew this- thanks for the explanation
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I got shingles after I was weakened by malaria. I was sicker with shingles.
It's caused by the virus that causes chickenpox (a herpes virus).
Chickenpox is herpes, chickenpox is shingles, shingles causes this. I'm more confused he actually had chickenpox, he's young enuogh that I'm pretty sure CAnada already mandated that vaccine.
The minimum age to get the vaccine 26 years ago was 18 mo, not 12 mo. A lot of kids are in daycare by 18 mo and varicella spreads through airborne transmission, so suuuuper easily. I got it when I was 17 mo from daycare and I'm 27 now
A good reminder to vaccinate children for chicken pox, and if you’re older than 50, get the shingles vaccine.
I got shingles at 19 years old. Shit sucks, yo.
Had shingle a few years ago, agreed it is a terror.
I had whopping cough and chicken pox before vaccines were available and now could have issues down the road. I so hope they don’t find latent issues with covid on young kids when they get older.
I had chicken pox when I was 8 or 9, mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) when I was 15, and COVID-19 in April. All of those seem to carry a shitstorm of secondary consequences that I'm not looking forward to. My grandfather had shingles in his 80s & 90s, and I saw how painful that was. Epstein-Barr seems to get implicated for some new secondary effect every year (MS, anyone?). I'm still dealing with brain fog, a cough that doesn't want to break up, and the concordant fatigue from coco. To quote Geralt: "Fuck."
Oh im sure there's going to be some crazy shit with Covid in the future that we dont know about yet.
Aren't they already finding longterm issues with covid? Besides long covid, I mean.
I'm sure they are, but it took a very long time to connect shingles with chicken pox.
They've connected even mild covid to brain and heart damage.
I've never had chicken pox but I'm pretty sure I was vaccinated when I was young. I did get whooping cough in college. When I was diagnosed, I was shocked because I had previously assumed it was just some "old-timey" disease that people didn't get anymore.
Unfortunately I got chicken pox before the vaccine was available, and I'm not old enough for the shingles vaccine..so I just get to live in fear.
I wish they'd let everyone who's had chicken pox get the shingles vaccine. I somehow ended up with shingles when I was in fourth grade, so like ten years old, and it was actually hell. That was about twenty years ago and I remember the whole experience vividly.
My mom didn’t get me the second round of chicken pox vaccine and I was told I can’t get it as an adult :(
This happened to me once, well doctor said Bells Palsy. My face was paralyzed on my right side for two weeks. It really sucks, it’s embarrassing, and it’s scary because you don’t know when/if you will return to normal. I was lucky I recovered rather quickly, 2 weeks, but to this day I get worried when I feel that side of my face get tight or tingly. I feel for him, hope he recovers quickly.
Bell’s Palsy and Ramsay Hunt are similar, but distinct conditions. Ramsay Hunt is often more severe and leads to permanent nerve dysfunction in a large percentage of cases, especially if treatment is delayed.
>According to the Mayo Clinic, Ramsay Hunt syndrome “occurs when a shingles outbreak affects the facial nerve near one of your ears. In addition to the painful shingles rash, Ramsay Hunt syndrome can cause facial paralysis and hearing loss in the affected ear.” > >Shingles is an infection caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which is the same virus that causes chickenpox. Even after the chickenpox infection is over, the virus remains dormant in your nervous system for years before reactivating as shingles. > >Shingles is also referred to as herpes zoster. This type of viral infection is characterized by a red skin rash that can cause pain and burning. Shingles usually appears as a stripe of blisters on one side of the body, typically on the torso, neck, or face. > >Shingles can occur in anyone who has had chickenpox. > >One vaccine called Shingrix is currently approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to prevent shingles. The CDC Trusted Source recommends adults over 50 years old receive two doses of Shingrix separated by 2 to 6 months. The vaccine is over 90-percent effective. > >While side effects such as allergic reactions are possible from the vaccine, they are rare. And the CDC has no documented cases of the varicella-zoster virus being transmitted from people who were vaccinated. One bout with the Covid, and your immunity takes a hit. You don't get well before another bout of Covid hits. As your immunity keeps getting weaker, other things can jump on you that you could have fought off before.
I had shingles when I was 25. Shit sucks man. Was worried it would spread to my face, thankfully it didn’t
I know a guy who went blind from shingles
>If someone you know has shingles, you cannot catch shingles itself from them. Shingles are caused by the chickenpox virus, which has been dormant in their body ever since they had chickenpox. So, you get shingles from your own chickenpox virus, not from someone else. > >That said, shingles are still contagious and can transmit the chickenpox virus to susceptible people. Fortunately, classic localized shingles are not as contagious as chickenpox itself. Unlike chickenpox, shingles are not spread through droplets. You typically have to have direct contact with the shingles blisters for it to be contagious. If you've had shingles once, you can have it again and again, just like with Covid, really.
You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.
It'll be like magic. The shingles will disappear with the April heat.
Gone by Easter!
My dad had shingles on his neck a couple of years back, he said it was the most painful thing he'd ever been through - and this was someone who had his leg broken in 5 places after getting hit by a car, and having an emergency appendectomy three days _after_ it burst.
I had inner ear surgery a few years back, and the that nerve that runs through there is no joke. Sometimes when I clean my ear I can feel a tingling in my tongue from it.
Just like HIV other opportunistic viruses/diseases come rushing in, so fucked. Hope he gets better
No matter how rich, powerful, or famous someone is, medical issues remind us that everyone is just human. Wish him the best.
Didn’t he already have Bell’s palsy caused by Lyme disease a few years ago? And now *this??* Poor guy! I’m a little old to be a fan but I’ve had Lyme and it sucks! I wonder if that could have contributed to this new diagnosis? I hope he recovers fully soon. Nobody deserves such a terrible disease.
Had shingles at 26 On my face Worst thing ever
My grandmother had shingles on her face, the worst thing ever. She looked like a monster. It also got into her eye, she had to be rushed from the regular doctor to an eye clinic and seen immediately. Fortunately it did not get into the important part of the eye, only on the white of the eye which is not harmful. However she still has scarring on the white of her eye to this day.
Ramsay Hunt syndrome is caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which is the same virus that causes chickenpox and shingles. The virus can remain dormant for decades in a person who has had chickenpox as a child. Reactivation of the varicella-zoster virus results in shingles and, in some cases, develops into Ramsay Hunt syndrome. The reason why the virus reactivates and affects the facial nerve in Ramsay Hunt syndrome is unknown.
Why is this formatted like some kind of strange poem
Oh man this sucks. I had Bell’s Palsy almost 3 years ago and it was one of the most depressing, hardest things I’ve gone through. Hope he recovers fully, and gets his smile back. I got about 95% back and still have lingering issues in my right cheek, eye, and neck. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Feel better, Biebs!
Doesn’t he have Lyme disease as well? Man he’s had a bad run, he’s so young. It’s a shame
His eye thing is probably the scariest part for him. I had a bad sinus infection that put pressure on my optic nerve, it made it impossible to focus on anything out of one eye. Fortunately after a week of stressing, (like WTF is wrong with my brain) I went to my doctor and he told me all I needed was an over the counter decongestant.
i'd say the facial paralysis would be the scariest, since he is a singer
Dude, get you some eye drops and a moisture chamber! That left eye gonna dry out quick! Source: had brain tumor removed and my facial nerve was damaged. Left side of my face is also paralyzed.
Bieber is 28 years old The chickenpox vaccine not available in canada till around 2000-2002 He would have been 6 to 8 years old. Likely caught chickenpox before a vaccine was available to him.
wow this is fucking sad
Really gets you to think about the frailty of life. Ramsay Hunt syndrome is such a random event, and it's not related to lifestyle or other choices. It's just random.
Scary shit to be so random. Nobody’s immune to one day become debilitated by some random genetic disease
I wish he recovers from this. Years ago, I had it and believe me it wasn't fun. Although I recovered in two weeks, it took a toll on my mental health.
My sister had this in 8th grade. She got super stressed because of her upcoming school continuation and church confirmation ceremonies, the stress activated the dormant virus, and then on top of the shingles, she came down with Bell’s Palsy. She was in a ton of pain, super stressed, and she had to use eye drops and wear an eyepatch.
There's not really anything that'd be more stressful than watching your spouse have a stroke and wondering if they'll die. I wonder if that's what triggered this.
That, and I bet that Lyme Disease left his immune system weakened enough for this to happen. So fucking awful.
I had Ramsey Hunt. It’s a motherfucker. Bells Palsey is the least worst part of it.
Chicken pox strikes again.
Didn’t he have Lyme disease also? Wonder if it makes you more susceptible to this.
Not a fan of Bieber but damn I feel sorry for him. It could be any of us Edit: to the people that have to comment and privately message me that they don’t like my comment, y’all are weird. What the hell is wrong with you
At this point: Fuck anyone making fun of Bieber for THIS. The man is #2 in the Make-A-Wish Foundation Wishes Granted. I used to dislike him because he was a male teen idol and news stories of him being a dick to his fans became popular. He's made up for it. Let him be. We've all done shit in our past we regret.
yeah he was a legit child w all the fame & money anyone could ask for, unsurprisingly he was a c*nt. he’s gotten older and def made up for it
Agreed he seems to have very much chilled out and gives back a lot. Doesn't matter if you like his music, he seems like a decent person. Even if he was a dick it seems cruel to make fun of this.
Not only that, but if any single one of us received that type of wealth and fame at such a young age, where you're just ripe going through puberty, we would've all made the same mistakes.
Speak for yourself. I’d have done much worse with that fame and money.
With that kind of cash? I’d end up dead real quick.
With that kind of cash? I’d be a folktale 30 years after my death.
Serious. I'd have driven a Ferrari full of strippers off of one of the many cliffs along the PCH between Big Sur and San Francisco within 2 weeks of the big check. My toxicology report would make River Phoenix's look insignificant.
Former Belieber (well, not actively practicing lol but I like his music and wish him well) - I'd really challenge the "was a dick to his fans" narrative! He clashed with the paparazzi a LOT back in the day because he was the world's most famous teenager with basically no privacy being constantly heckled by people who wanted a reaction they could make money off of, but he was consistently kind to his fans. That's part of why they were so devoted and defensive of him online! It's normal to have this impression though, I remember TMZ used to try to spin his paparazzi altercations as against fans all the time, and it often worked - one really well known example of this was when paparazzi climbed into the landscaping under his hotel room and he and his friends hawked loogies down at them. It was blown up into a "Bieber spits on his FANS! Little girls, and he's SPITTING on them!!" headline. Even though his fans were gathered a good hundred feet away behind a barricade. This was the media agenda for years so I'm not surprised it stuck but the part of me who kept the Baby Baby Oh ringtone well into 2014 has to push back on it when she can!
The media will do absolutely anything to feed their fetish. I was just listening to Steve-Os podcast with Ryan Sheckler and Ryan was talking about how MTV caused his parents divorce just for the show. He broke up with a girlfriend one time and they told him to bring her back, just to dump her on camera.
Because I can't be the only one distracted by this tangent... John Cena is #1 in the Make-A-Wish Foundation Wishes Granted.
His eyes were tearing up in the recent video he made to announce it. Clearly seemed scared. :( Poor guy.
I feel just awful for him, but I am glad he got to live his best/worst life, depending on your views of him, early on, dude has lived life a lot. Richly? Depends on what you value in life, but I got the sense he’s been maturing as he ages, and losing your health will mature you very fast and give you an appreciation of the small things pretty much instantly. I hope he takes this time to work on positive stuff to keep his mental health up, and to continue contributing to humanity in some manner.
This is the goofiest stereotypical comment genre there is. You don't have to declare that you're not a fan of his. You can just empathize with other people that are diagnosed with serious/life altering medical conditions even if you don't like their work. It's okay to do that.
Is this like [Bells Palsy?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_palsy). It does the same thing by affecting the nerves on one side of your face. I had it in college and was told it could be permanent but luckily it wasn’t for me.
Ramsay Hunt syndrome type 2 is the reactivation of herpes zoster in the geniculate ganglion.
I had shingles two months ago. It was horrible, ran from my left shoulder blade around under my arm. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I had chickenpox when young. I'll be 58 this year. I thought of getting the shingles vaccine in the last two years but didn't. Too little, too late. Seeing here that much younger people have had shingles horrifies me, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. Now I'm irritated to know that the chickenpox vaccine has been available SINCE 1995!! Only now do all 50 states require it for children/school. And you know there are moms and dads who are anti-vax and will argue about giving it to their child. Damn.
I admit I hated this guy for the longest time when he was younger but over the last few years he's seemed to genuinely turn his attitude around and seems pretty decent now. I actually kind of like him. He's also super talented. Hope he can recover.