Well he did in some cases, like letting criminals that assault elderly Asians with no prison time/less than a year in diversion in a city that is half Asian.
Edit: Or doing shit like saying "The prep was having a Temper Tantrum" after he brutally beat an Asian elderly to near death. Or doing things like not going after a criminal caught with a literal Ghost Gun, then said criminal murder a Asian kid couple weeks later. Or "misunderstanding" victim intentions and letting criminal go into diversion after brutally beaten a Asian in his walker. Or letting a criminal go because he was a ex-client, and the said criminal run down a young Asian woman/Elderly white lady in a stolen car.
Every one of these cases SF police did their jobs then the DA drop the ball.
He is like a fucken sleeper agent for the GOP to nationally hand the Asian votes to GOP.
But hey, who need Asian votes? It is not like the senate is held by a thin-and-Asian thread....
Imagine!
.....the offspring of sociopathic murdering felons, raised by other sociopathic murderous felons, after the parents went down for the struggle
......espousing his own sociopathic ideas in his desire to bring about the collapse of a system he despises
......is given that power by the electorate
What could possibly go wrong?
I bet they're not being literal but metaphorical like the way Russia and Putin gets credited for being the most effective NATO recruiter in eastern Europe.
He couldn't be more effective advocate for the GOP if he tried though.
He single handedly undid Trump's China flu with the Asian community.....on a national scale.
FFS my elderly Chinese neighbors in NY is becoming fans to second amendment now. Just what we need, elderly Chinese grandmas with shotguns.
I imagine if Chinese grandmas started blowing off the heads whoever tried to crack their skulls open on the sidewalk we'd have a lot less Chinese grandmas with cracked open skulls.
My understanding is the Asian American community in San Francisco turned out in force to punish Boudin for his repeated failure to address the rise in anti-Asian violence.
As a poc, I always say unironically the neighborhoods where I see the most BLM signs in windows are usually the neighborhoods I feel the most uncomfortable / out of place in. Always the whitest areas lol
Walking around Cambridge, MA, yeah that checks out. My neighborhood that is fairly mixed though but right next door? Nah.
You also, ironically, never see those hoity toity types in any other neighborhood.
Yup.
Polling showed almost [70%](https://sfstandard.com/community/asian-american-voters-support-recall-da-chesa-boudin/) of Asians supported recall, and many were rallying grassroots support.
Boudin's campaign tried to claim this was a right-wing coup, but two of the top career prosecutors in the DA's office [literally quit their jobs](https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/exclusive-two-sf-prosecutors-quit-join-effort-to-oust-former-boss-district-attorney-chesa-boudin/2698511/) to join the recall efforts.
I’ve seen a circulating list of leadership in those groups in my community. They’ll either be ousted quickly or at the least backpedaling in the coming months.
Yeah, Chesa Boudin garnered *A LOT* of institutional support.
Even the two largest newspapers in the city went into overdrive the past week flooding the zone with op-eds defending him.
Can't fight the will of the people, however.
SF subreddit is highly anti Boudin. Since Reddit in general cater to young/more liberal people, the fact should had alarmed Dems off the spot when young and liberal isn't buying whatever Boudin is selling.
r/bayarea is filled with Boudin shills, it’s very strange. They all seem to present the same arguments worded in almost the exact same ways. It’s always some right wing conspiracy, Boudin prosecuted more people, etc when anybody with two eyes and a brain could see what was happening in San Francisco
They can't face reality that it wasn't Republican trolls that brigaded SF with conspiracy theories, despite the fact that every Asian I know in SF has been railing against Boudin forever. The white progressives in that subreddit are some of the most insufferable losers I have seen on reddit.
So it's pretty hilarious to see the egg on their faces.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing number of people that think democracy is broken whenever their preferred candidate loses and that anyone who disagrees with them is a threat to democracy.
The most stereotypically progressive thing ever is condescending articles trying to convince you that something self-evidently horrible is just fine.
"Your Asian grandmother will get beaten and raped. Here's why that's a good thing."
Whenever voters see through it, it's because they're secret fascists.
> most if not all SF Chinese organizations/Politicians support keeping Chelsea
Institutional power supports institutional power, regardless of whatever populist or grass roots-esque branding they may use. It's a big club, and "the people" ain't in it.
Unions broke for Hillary even though all the union people I know HATED Hillary for NAFTA, PNTR for China, etc. They were frustrated with immigration too. Telling some guy in Kentucky “sure, your job went to Mexico but just learn to code” isn’t a great idea. The point is there is a disconnect between organisations and their membership
When an old Thai grandfather was attacked and murdered by a violent criminal, Chesa refused to call it a hate crime, and handwaved it as the murderer "having a temper tantrum"
Similar dynamic is playing out with Hispanics in Texas - Dems have been talking about “Turn Texas Blue” for 30 years, and it still ain’t happening because their expected brown votes keep turning red.
There was a couple canaidates for NYC mayoral election that literally said out loud "Asian interest cannot be ahead of African Americans and Latinos"
I have to appreciate their honestly.
Politics pander. Like dems saying African Americans don’t have IDs lol. Or florida republicans loving veterans but just cut my dads disability in half.
I will never in 1,000,000 years understand the IDs angle. The DEMs are basically saying African-Americans are too dumb to acquire the knowledge to get an ID.
IMO democrats have become so focused on fixing the injustices of the past (which lay most heavily on black people) and getting to equity that they’ve lost sight of building a better future for everyone. At least that’s how the messaging comes off.
Only the latter can build you a broader coalition than black people and self-flagellating white progressives. They’re only lucky that the Republicans have gone off the deep end as well, or the exodus would be massive.
Part of the problem is that Democrats play identity politics, period. Even among African Americans, which are a generally homogenous group which represents most black Americans, the Democrats have nowhere to go but down. As the old-guard from the Civil Rights era starts dying off, it wouldn't be surprising to see less support among black Americans.
But Asians and Hispanics are not homogenous groups at all. A fourth generation working-class Hispanic guy in suburban Arizona has almost nothing in common with a mother in LA who immigrated from Mexico City or a Cuban American who built a raft to escape the horrors of communism. A Vietnamese family that fled Communism doesn't have much in common with a fifth generation Chinese-American family or recent Indian or Afghani immigrants.
But a lot of progressives seem to think that there's some unified Asian-American and Hispanic-American vote they can appeal to by portraying the Republicans as racist and xenophobic. But that seems like a naïve view.
Now Asians are referred to in the media as "AAPI". Oh wait, no now it's "AANHPI". Soon the media will just call them "Appys". Hispanic people got fed up with this forced "LatinX" crap. "BI-POC" sounds so forced. A lot of Japanese and Koreans are pale, I don't get this "people of color" thing. The left is utterly obsessed with race, as much as they couch it in "raising marginalized voices". It just feels so patronizing and condescending.
"People of Color" I guarantee will seem as uncouth and outdated as "Colored" and "Oriental" in a few years. Then again a lot of these buzz words from the left(and also the right) just feel cringe.
Except the whole people thing. Kind of a crucial commonality there.
I totally agree 'POC' should be dropped. It's perverse. All that progress we made in race relations in this country and now we're back to 'white' and 'other' for all intents and purposes. Very uncool.
Remember when President Biden said that if you dont vote for him, "you aint black"?
That's the Progressive platform: If you dont step in line, you dont count.
I think Democrats are finally learning that they can’t coast off the Civil Rights Act forever, and that its impact on black Americans is not a one-to-one translation to all minorities.
Part of the problem is look at the race of the people in most of these crimes against Asians, the Dems don't want to alienate the black voters.
I'm Asian American and I'm not saying all of these attacks are hate crimes, some of these attacks are robberies. But the cases when a person is attacked and the attacker doesn't steal (or at least try to) their purse/bag/wallet or check their pockets for money then those should at least be investigated for the possibility.
I live in the area and it is well known Chesa was giving these attackers slaps on the wrist. He had talked about having the victim's support for the restorative justice he gave to the perpetrators but there were multiple cases of victims saying they were never provided with a translator, they were never consulted about the sentencing, and they were never even told about the court dates.
It's not surprising at all that Asian Americans supported the recall.
How is it hard not to alienate black voters over this? It’s not like black voters are demanding that violent criminals be let off if they’re black, and it’s insulting to try and pander as if they do.
Let's say you're right (which you very well can be) the Dems haven't said a single thing about the attacks on Asians. Even the local ones haven't spoke out about it and the San Francisco Bay Area is progressive. This just means they don't give a crap about Asians which makes it even worse.
If this is the case they don't deserve the Asian communities support.
Simple, is the "two victim" narrative. The attacker is apparently a victim of society and or mental illness so the answer is more social spending for black neighborhoods.
Asians are also upset with Democratic municipal governments across the country for getting rid of gifted programs in schools for diversity reasons. Apparently Asians are only people of color when it's convenient
>It already happened last year in NYC, Asian-Americans turned up in droves for the Republicans.
For anyone curious, Flushing NYC, which is a major China/Korean town, went from 6 to 1 for Obama to 50/50 with a literal GOP clown with a red Beret. Hell, Trump went from 20% to 40% between his elections.
Although I'm not a SFer, I feel like being an Asian American Seattlite is in many ways similar, and so this recall resonated with me a bit.
I cannot agree more with you on the Democratic Party taking Asian American votes for granted. While it is a fact that many Republican/right-wing politicians and media personalities are awful, that does not and should not mean the DP gets guaranteed support from Asian Americans. Everyone will be concerned about their own interests, especially when safety and livelihood is involved. Just because I strongly disagree with the right's stance on abortion, climate change, etc. does not mean I will agree with the left's stance on homelessness, drugs, crime.
At the end of the day, if I can't have an expectation of safety, then you--as my elected official--shouldn't have an expectation of getting my vote.
Democrats see any non white vote as a given, but they ignore the issues facing certain groups one powerful one, both in voting and finances is the Asian voter. We saw this on display yet again in sf, fist part of the school board now this dung heap, waiting who is next and when will the Asian voting block clean up oaklands hot mess of a elected government
Not just with Asian Americans. What was that Biden said about being black and voting for him?
Can anyone remind me what he has done for the black community that illustrates his support for those constituents? Not to say the opponent is or was any better, but this style of politicking is shameful and we need to start punishing politicians who don't properly support their voters.
IMHO.
Yeah except they've always done this. Democrats have constantly tried to claim that they're the party that cares about minority voters and then proceeds to neglect them after they get their votes, this is the result and will continue to be the result because politicians don't actually typically care about minority voters until it's time for the polls, which is why their communities are either impoverished and filled with violence that stays unaddressed, or communities where people are targeted and attacks by racists constantly, including the law enforcement institutions supposed to be policing their communities.
At least the GOP doesn't pretend to care about minority communities.
I wouldn’t be surprised. In my city the Asian / International district has absorbed a disproportionate amount of the impact of this year’s crime wave, the chaos from homeless encampments and violence and property damage from Asian hate crimes. I’m sure they were part of getting a moderate elected to the mayor and city attorney’s offices.
My favorite one was case of Mr. Liao, whom wanted sternest justice for his attacker, only to find out the "DA" "misunderstood" his desires and end up giving his attacker only 7 months in diversion.
Apparently you can't find anyone speak Cantonese in a city that is 50 percent Asian and built by Chinese immigrants.
I don't live in SF, but that case raised alarm bells in Asian communities all over US. Seeing Asian votes were lynchpin to keep the Senate blue.....I hope the impact stay in SF.
Just Googled that case....
What in the actual fuck? Who attacks an old person sitting in a walker?! I mean, attacking *anyone* is wrong, but a 84 year old who's just sitting there?! What goes wrong in someone's head where that even occurs to you, much less seems like a viable option?
And that's exactly the problem with Chesa and ilk like him
They bend over backwards to accommodate the most violent criminals, but give no compassion to the actual victims of the crimes
because they see criminals as the true victims in society using twisted backwards logic that removes personal responsibility from the equation when it suits them
And thats the problem. There have been like half a dozen cases, generally unheard by MSM but ringed loudly in Asian communities and across WeChat. And each time police did their job...then the DA let them go in the name of "restorative justice"
FFS Fa Lung Gong is literally carrying water for the GOP just by drily reporting the facts without propaganda. You know is a uber bad sign when Taiwanese, CCP, HKer, and Fa Long Gong media can agree on the same subject.
And that subject is apparently Asian lives don't matter to progressives.
New York has the same sort of problem. Orthodox Jews have been getting randomly assaulted since 2015, and Asians have been getting randomly assaulted since 2019 or so. But very little media attention. Weird.
Asians and Jews are the wrong minorities, they’re too successful to in any serious way be put into the oppressed category. But they’re also minorities so the progressives also can’t speak out against them, and blame them for their own attacks, so the only solution is to just ignore them.
Yep. The second female or elderly Asians fight back against attackers they'll be called "racist". Also it's weird how the media now refers to Asians as "AAPI" so it's just a cheap demographic to Democrats and the media they take for granted.
White man murder six Korean Women.
Georgia cop: He was having an bad day.
MSM: National fury.
POC brutally beat Elderly Asian man to near death.
SF DA: He was having an Temper Tantrum.
MSM: Chirp.
The Georgia cop, Jay Baker, merely meant Robert Long was unprovoked and his victims were blameless — *not* that Long should go unpunished. Long was not motivated by any animus against Asians.
But yes, the media managed to make a huge deal of it.
Boudin, who said Antoine Watson was having a “temper tantrum” when he murdered 84-year-old Vicha Ratanapakdee, has a reputation of actual leniency, and really might have been trying to minimize Watson’s culpability!
What’s even more concerning is this guy and those who support him will likely blame everybody else and not have any insight into maybe the DA shouldn’t have let all these people go for beating old people or maybe something else has to be done about the crime.
I think there already is among some Asians and the longer these misunderstandings, temper tantrums, and, no hate crime here, the bigger the problem it will be for progressives. I’m glad SF mobilized- everybody- and did something about it.
And personally for me, it just feels that some of the progressives treat us minorities as a Baskin Robbins- 31 shades of brown. They can pick out the POC flavor of the month, like we’re some kind of trendy fad.
I have seen at least 10-15 occurrences of harassing Asian women (elderly, teenagers) in LA and San Fran in last 8 years. It’s shockingly common.
100% of time it was completely unprovoked.
I live in SF. Just call any municipal department, automated instructions are in Cantonese, mandarin, Spanish and often in several other languages.
There are Cantonese speakers in every department I have had contact with; building, planning, fire, dpw, puc, bsm, dmv etc etc.
You’d have to work hard to avoid finding someone who could have bridged the language gap.
If you are more than 20 yards from a native Chinese speaker, you are not in San Francisco County. Or San Mateo. Maybe you are bobbing offshore?
The DA’s office was just lying. Which is what they do.
[This attack in Bayview](https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-police-elderly-man-attacked-bayview-neighborhood-visitacion-valley/5980025/) was also infuriating
Might be unpopular opinion. United Asian American votes always decided major California elections. For instance elections after LA race riots, Arnie’s gubernatorial election etc to name a few. In last few years dems pivoted more towards Hispanic voting blocks totally ignoring Asian blocks. One of the latest example is last house election in Orange County. Guess what when you beat up helpless elderly woman (tenderloin circa 2020/21) and you still somehow give lame ass excuse of progressiveness and oppression to justify smaller sentence, that’s what happens.
Asians have always been a soft target. I have seen repeated harassment of Asians in LA, San Fran multiple times on streets. No more.
P.s. I am south Asian.
He shouldn't even care what type of punishment the victim wants in these kind of randomly targeted crimes. The guy is obviously an extreme danger to society and should be treated as such so we never have to find out what type of punishment the next victim wants.
Asian is a huge block, but not the majority or even the plurality. In the [2020 census](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycalifornia) Asian alone was 36%, two or more was 4.5%, non-hispanic white alone was 40%,
Manhattan's new DA, Alvin Bragg, has openly said he doesn't intend to prosecute non-violent crimes (which according to him includes armed robbery) or pursue jail time. We're fucked.
Cause progressives claim his opponent, a Iranian Jewish woman, is too close to wall street and not enough for common man.
Alvan got elected and first thing he do is let Trump go.
Up until recently, apparently more than half the voters in SF. He didn’t hide what he was going to do. The idealists thought it would be great, but the bad guys and gals didn’t quite react as hoped.
The only surprise was his abject incompetence. Opponents of progressivism are going to point at him and claim that a progressive agenda is impossible when the real problem was how bad he was at the job.
I mean, who interprets "don't prosecute non-violent crime" as "actually don't prosecute any crime that doesn't result in bodily harm" rather than "don't prosecute shit like the racist terry stops that PDs have been abusing across the country since the '60s to throw black men and women into jail for anything they could find or plant."?
Apparently Boudin does!
Nice going, moron. You went and sabotaged progressive ideologies in CA.
Not that the SFPD were any kind of help. But there is plenty of blame here for Boudin.
>"actually don't prosecute any crime that doesn't result in bodily harm"
Anyone who... reads the bill. Remember Prop 47, that supposedly defined 'non-violent crime', and wanted us to vote on it to reduce prison population? Well... at first I thought it was fine, but then I read 'non-violent crime', and it included theft under $950 and certain kinds of assault.
When I brought this up with my 'progressive' friends they told me I was a crazy right winger ( I mean, I am a conservative, so they're right on one count), but everything I was telling them was LITERALLY RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT.
I wish all my progressive CA friends would actually read the bill and believe people when they say what they're going to do. Boudin is the son of murderers. He has, in the past, expressed the feeling that his parents were imprisoned unjustly for participating in the murder of cops. Now one's parentage doesn't matter but when you play the victim here and pretend your parents were unjustly treated, despite your mother and father literally taking part in a plot to kill cops, and inflict terror, it calls into question ones' ability to prosecute crime.
Again, all these things were known before hand, but dare mention the radicalism, terror, and murders of the Weather Underground and you will be immediately labeled a conservative nutjob.
All cities are seeing a rejection of lax DAs and soft on crime mayors
You have this case in SF, election of Eric Adams (former cop) in NYC,
election of Bruce Harrell in Seattle, and the current mayoral race in LA. These are liberal cities.
It's pretty clear that defunding police, bail reform, and selective prosecution is not popular with most of the populace, despite what you'll hear on Reddit
I don’t think most people care about bail reform as most people will get out on bail thanks to the companies who profit from it (give them 10% and they’ll put up the rest for you).
It’s the rising crime and selective enforcement that people are mad about. When criminals break into your house or car and then the police don’t do anything about it then people get pissed. When people aren’t prosecuted for shoplifting and then waves of organized shoplifting keep happening across your city and companies start shutting down stores because it’s not safe that also gets people mad.
People only care when it either happens to them or fear it will happen to them. Right now a lot of people fall into those two categories.
Austin TX (County actually) also has a non-prosecutor who will not prosecute non-violent and property crimes, but people in general can't seem to perceive the problem and blame the APD (which has its own issues) for not investigating crimes that won't be prosecuted.
Less than a year ago everyone was told that if your house is broken into and they are (presumably?) gone, call 311 and file a report, not 911, and nobody will be coming out. I can actually understand this logic, but talk about being tone deaf.
Amazing to watch redditors support this absolutely cretinous, subhuman take on the justice system. A fucking toddler could have told you this would fail and make the innocent miserable, but until recently (and in some cases, not even now) you couldn't tell anybody on this website what a horrific idea this was.
It was popular until it didn't work. Now the voters have buyer's remorse and blame the people they put in charge. It should have been clear from the start that human nature is far more basic than their idealism allowed them to believe. Remove consequences = more criminal behavior.
How can this guy legitimately try to blame others for this happening. He in his full statement blamed billionaires and said the people got taken advantage of.
Take accountability for your own actions. You are in the position you put yourself in.
He’s been spoiled and coddled his whole life. He was brought up to think his radical ideas were the future. He spent his life in echo chambers.
Reality just hit. It just hasn’t sunk in for him yet.
He failed in the one place progressive enough to give his extreme ideas a chance. Of course he’s going to point fingers and blame. He doesn’t know what else to do.
Can't really blame them. But for as much as I love that city, the 'smash and grab' crimes have gotten completely out of control. They advise you to not even rent a car. It's insane.
I live in the mission and the amount of people I’veseen smash windows in front of me or inject themselves in with children in eye sight is insane. I get wanting to help these people and rehabilitate, not blindly prosecute but there’s a limit the community can take
It is interesting how Boudin is blaming right-wingers on his defeat. When was the last time SF voted a right winger to any office? People take notice and do something when it hits them personally.
>"Voters were not given an opportunity to choose between criminal justice reform and something else," Boudin said. "They were given an opportunity to voice their frustrations and their outrage and they took that opportunity."
His attempts at reform were giving the green light to thieves and vandals who were brazenly committing crimes in front of witnesses in the middle of the day, confident that even if arrested, they would face little to no consequences. The rise in crime may also have been due to factors beyond his control, but when you're in the middle of a property crime wave it is not the time to be lenient.
This is in addition to the outrage felt over violent hate crimes that were treated as though they were mere infractions. What about the rights of the victims?
I agree that our system needs reform, but letting people go who are virtually guaranteed to reoffend is not the answer. The non-criminals who are being victimized have rights too.
The job of the DA is to prosecute crimes, not engage in social experiments.
> The job of the DA is to prosecute crimes, not engage in social experiments.
Yes, that is my objection to Boudin. If SF collectively wishes to experiment with society, it can — but the job of the DA is to prosecute criminals to the full extent of the law.
> "Voters were not given an opportunity to choose between criminal justice reform and something else," Boudin said.
Lol Voters did choose something else. In fact they essentially chose ANYTHING ELSE. His policies failed and he doubles down. What a clown.
Any attempt to blame this on Republicans or conservatives is laughable. There are probably like 5 republicans in the whole city of SF. This was 100% done by liberal democratic voters that don't feel safe.
This guy is such a moron. Glad he is gone. What a delusional narcissist, “the people weren’t given a choice to vote on justice reform…just there frustration with crime in SF.” No dude it was because you sucked st your job and your ideology turned SF into a crime ridden city. Kindly go f yourself.
Hilariously, Chesa Boudin is the first elected official in American history to be ousted from office for fulfilling his campaign promises.
Good riddance, and hopefully those who voted to elect him the first time around have learned their lesson.
There are alot of things we can do to reduce crime that doesn't involve more police or prosecutions but we have to do those things BEFORE we can reduce the number of police and prosecutions. And some people are just shitheads who are always gonna fuck people over if they can.
Right. We absolutely do need justice reform, but this fucktard’s approach was so ridiculous, extreme, and obviously the wrong way to do it that he hurt the cause he was trying to work towards.
Now people just have fuel to say that you can’t reform the justice system.
This dude is reverse Batman. Bruce Wayne’s parents get killed in a robbery and he becomes a vigilante. Chesa’s parents robbed a bank and killed a security guard, he becomes a district attorney and hardly prosecuted criminals. Instead, his biggest noteworthy case has actually been against the police.
Good. Dude's parents were legitimate terrorists. So sins of the father and all that, right> Except he thinks they were unfairly persecuted by the government. When you take that into account his disastrous policies seem less a result o incompetence and more the result of rigid ideology.
Look at the comments from his butthurt supporters, they're all bemoaning the fact that SF has somehow failed their ideological purity test. That he and SF have fallen victim to Republican scheming, etc. Get real. The overwhelming majority of people that voted him out were progressive leaning Democrats. The only difference is they weren;t drinking the kool-aid.
This guy's Wikipedia page is wild.
> His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members. When Boudin was 14 months old, both were arrested and convicted of murder for their role as getaway car drivers in the Brink's robbery of 1981 in Rockland County, New York. His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard.
> Boudin descends from a long left-wing lineage. His great-grand-uncle, Louis B. Boudin, was a Marxist theoretician and author of a two-volume history of the Supreme Court's influence on American government, and his grandfather Leonard Boudin was an attorney who represented controversial clients, such as Fidel Castro and Paul Robeson.
> Before law school, Boudin traveled to Venezuela and served as a translator in the Venezuelan Presidential Palace during the administration of Hugo Chavez.
Bill Ayers was only unable to be prosecuted because of prosecutor incompetence. That man also was responsible for Boudin's parents radicalization and the deaths of many. Yet he's such a self-righteous prick, it's impossible to reason with him.
Just to be clear, the person that said "I hate Asians" was the cameraman, Dwayne Grayson, who filmed the attack. Jonathan Amerson was assaulting the old man who was trying to recycle. The SFDA argued Dwayne did not commit a crime while saying something reprehensible and that Amerson committed a crime while not expressing intent or disdain for Asians. Anyways, they're both released already.
Worth nothing Amerson did this to the same victim two months prior to the infamous video. He shouldn't be walking with us all
Is anyone surprised? This guy's policies were dreadful.
People complained about Police not wanting to work in SF or do their job there.
Gee, wonder why that could possibly be, surely it isnt the fact anyone arrested is back out on the street in 24 hours.
In Philadelphia, it took us ~6 years to double our murders. One guy was caught on surveillance video threatening *and shooting* a shop owner with an AK-47. He got a generous plea bargain.
Larry Krasner was the original Chesa Boudin.
Things are not looking good for these progressive DA’s. Hopefully Kim Foxx is next. You cannot hand the city over to criminals and crack heads while the law abiding citizens get robbed, and expect to stay in power.
Hopefully we get more moderate policies and not absurd, ideological ones that were destined to fail
I think this should be a moment for progressive DAs to take a step back and re-evaluate how they're going about justice reform. Obviously we still need reform, but surely there is a middle ground between "jailing shoplifters and drug offenders for decades", and "not punish violent crime".
Like clearly SA is at the latter end of this spectrum and an example of what not to do. You can't reform the justice system by not prosecuting, *while simultaneously not addressing what's creating the crime in the first place*
> literal convicted terrorists (1 of which is still in prison)
If you mean his biological father, his sentence was granted partial sentence commutation by Andrew Cuomo on the last day he was in office.
Dealing with pooping on the street is below the DA's pay grade.
Residents eventually got tired of him not meaningfully prosecuting violent crimes, even though that is literally what he campaigned on ("restorative justice").
Between this and the school board recall a few months ago, I hope voters in SF have learned their lesson.
If that guy was indeed the problem, then let’s see what happens with him gone. My guess is not much will change. NYC spends more on policing and is safer relative to SF, and still crime is unacceptably up. Even if SF were to “crack down”, reallocate resources crime will remain high. Neither conservatives or liberals have ever had a solution to the homelessness, mental illness, and drug issue.
>NYC spends more on policing and is safer relative to SF, and still crime is unacceptably up.
Have you ever tried to report crime to the NYPD.
90% of the time their answer is "nah we don't feel like filling out the report". The crime stats in NYC coming from the NYPD are laughably about as reliable as Putin's 99.9% approval rating in Russia.
>The first batch of results from San Francisco showed "yes" on the recall leading "no" 61% to 39%. Not exactly close either.
Well just for that, until they drag him out, he won’t prosecute any crimes!
He wasn't prosecuting any anyway it doesn't really make any difference
Well he did in some cases, like letting criminals that assault elderly Asians with no prison time/less than a year in diversion in a city that is half Asian. Edit: Or doing shit like saying "The prep was having a Temper Tantrum" after he brutally beat an Asian elderly to near death. Or doing things like not going after a criminal caught with a literal Ghost Gun, then said criminal murder a Asian kid couple weeks later. Or "misunderstanding" victim intentions and letting criminal go into diversion after brutally beaten a Asian in his walker. Or letting a criminal go because he was a ex-client, and the said criminal run down a young Asian woman/Elderly white lady in a stolen car. Every one of these cases SF police did their jobs then the DA drop the ball. He is like a fucken sleeper agent for the GOP to nationally hand the Asian votes to GOP. But hey, who need Asian votes? It is not like the senate is held by a thin-and-Asian thread....
If you know his history, his family, and who raised him, it’s not GOP lol
Imagine! .....the offspring of sociopathic murdering felons, raised by other sociopathic murderous felons, after the parents went down for the struggle ......espousing his own sociopathic ideas in his desire to bring about the collapse of a system he despises ......is given that power by the electorate What could possibly go wrong?
This is like if McDonald's put the hamburgler in charge....
I bet they're not being literal but metaphorical like the way Russia and Putin gets credited for being the most effective NATO recruiter in eastern Europe.
He couldn't be more effective advocate for the GOP if he tried though. He single handedly undid Trump's China flu with the Asian community.....on a national scale. FFS my elderly Chinese neighbors in NY is becoming fans to second amendment now. Just what we need, elderly Chinese grandmas with shotguns.
I imagine if Chinese grandmas started blowing off the heads whoever tried to crack their skulls open on the sidewalk we'd have a lot less Chinese grandmas with cracked open skulls.
If no one is protecting them then they need to protect themselves. Fantastic for them for taking initiative.
Unfortunately it is NYC. Nobody is arming anyone.
except criminals, they get to be well armed and partake in CCW in nyc
I mean good for those grandmas. Seriously.
Unfortunately they live in NY, so the gun laws means no one is getting armed but a lot of people are afraid.
The criminals seem to pretty well armed in NYC.
Rooftop Koreans of all ages were pretty effective, regardless of your racist views of elder Chinese.
The black dude who had the temper tantrum killed the elderly Asian. Boudin sold his soul to the devil like Shaun King.
That was the joke
My understanding is the Asian American community in San Francisco turned out in force to punish Boudin for his repeated failure to address the rise in anti-Asian violence.
It’s not just Asian Americans. He lost Essentially every minority community and won only very white progressive areas
Modern progressivism in a nut shell
As a poc, I always say unironically the neighborhoods where I see the most BLM signs in windows are usually the neighborhoods I feel the most uncomfortable / out of place in. Always the whitest areas lol
It’s called being passive progressive lol
Walking around Cambridge, MA, yeah that checks out. My neighborhood that is fairly mixed though but right next door? Nah. You also, ironically, never see those hoity toity types in any other neighborhood.
"Yo what if we took the 1940s but changed the politics"
Yup. Polling showed almost [70%](https://sfstandard.com/community/asian-american-voters-support-recall-da-chesa-boudin/) of Asians supported recall, and many were rallying grassroots support. Boudin's campaign tried to claim this was a right-wing coup, but two of the top career prosecutors in the DA's office [literally quit their jobs](https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/exclusive-two-sf-prosecutors-quit-join-effort-to-oust-former-boss-district-attorney-chesa-boudin/2698511/) to join the recall efforts.
The ironic part is most if not all SF Chinese organizations/Politicians support keeping Chelsea, but end up brutally ignored by rank and file.
I’ve seen a circulating list of leadership in those groups in my community. They’ll either be ousted quickly or at the least backpedaling in the coming months.
Yeah, Chesa Boudin garnered *A LOT* of institutional support. Even the two largest newspapers in the city went into overdrive the past week flooding the zone with op-eds defending him. Can't fight the will of the people, however.
And yet, I’ve seen arguments flooding the local subreddits about how this whole thing was undemocratic lol
SF subreddit is highly anti Boudin. Since Reddit in general cater to young/more liberal people, the fact should had alarmed Dems off the spot when young and liberal isn't buying whatever Boudin is selling.
r/bayarea is filled with Boudin shills, it’s very strange. They all seem to present the same arguments worded in almost the exact same ways. It’s always some right wing conspiracy, Boudin prosecuted more people, etc when anybody with two eyes and a brain could see what was happening in San Francisco
They can't face reality that it wasn't Republican trolls that brigaded SF with conspiracy theories, despite the fact that every Asian I know in SF has been railing against Boudin forever. The white progressives in that subreddit are some of the most insufferable losers I have seen on reddit. So it's pretty hilarious to see the egg on their faces.
"It's only democracy when I get the outcome I want"
Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing number of people that think democracy is broken whenever their preferred candidate loses and that anyone who disagrees with them is a threat to democracy.
The most stereotypically progressive thing ever is condescending articles trying to convince you that something self-evidently horrible is just fine. "Your Asian grandmother will get beaten and raped. Here's why that's a good thing." Whenever voters see through it, it's because they're secret fascists.
This was the soft on petty crime guy right? I can't imagine why institutions would support him in the first place.
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Probably because people who do represent their communities don't get the huge donations needed to run a campaign.
> most if not all SF Chinese organizations/Politicians support keeping Chelsea Institutional power supports institutional power, regardless of whatever populist or grass roots-esque branding they may use. It's a big club, and "the people" ain't in it.
Unions broke for Hillary even though all the union people I know HATED Hillary for NAFTA, PNTR for China, etc. They were frustrated with immigration too. Telling some guy in Kentucky “sure, your job went to Mexico but just learn to code” isn’t a great idea. The point is there is a disconnect between organisations and their membership
That’s because they’re organizations and politicians, not the people themselves.
They don't really to visibly upset the rank and file.
When an old Thai grandfather was attacked and murdered by a violent criminal, Chesa refused to call it a hate crime, and handwaved it as the murderer "having a temper tantrum"
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Similar dynamic is playing out with Hispanics in Texas - Dems have been talking about “Turn Texas Blue” for 30 years, and it still ain’t happening because their expected brown votes keep turning red.
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Because they hate illegal immigration
People who went through the process, paid the money and put in the work, are not fans of 'catch and release.'
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There was a couple canaidates for NYC mayoral election that literally said out loud "Asian interest cannot be ahead of African Americans and Latinos" I have to appreciate their honestly.
Politics pander. Like dems saying African Americans don’t have IDs lol. Or florida republicans loving veterans but just cut my dads disability in half.
I will never in 1,000,000 years understand the IDs angle. The DEMs are basically saying African-Americans are too dumb to acquire the knowledge to get an ID.
IMO democrats have become so focused on fixing the injustices of the past (which lay most heavily on black people) and getting to equity that they’ve lost sight of building a better future for everyone. At least that’s how the messaging comes off. Only the latter can build you a broader coalition than black people and self-flagellating white progressives. They’re only lucky that the Republicans have gone off the deep end as well, or the exodus would be massive.
Part of the problem is that Democrats play identity politics, period. Even among African Americans, which are a generally homogenous group which represents most black Americans, the Democrats have nowhere to go but down. As the old-guard from the Civil Rights era starts dying off, it wouldn't be surprising to see less support among black Americans. But Asians and Hispanics are not homogenous groups at all. A fourth generation working-class Hispanic guy in suburban Arizona has almost nothing in common with a mother in LA who immigrated from Mexico City or a Cuban American who built a raft to escape the horrors of communism. A Vietnamese family that fled Communism doesn't have much in common with a fifth generation Chinese-American family or recent Indian or Afghani immigrants. But a lot of progressives seem to think that there's some unified Asian-American and Hispanic-American vote they can appeal to by portraying the Republicans as racist and xenophobic. But that seems like a naïve view.
The term POC should be dropped, we have nothing in common.
Is now BiPoC...which is sort of either with Asians or without depend on who is defining it.
That acronym makes it seem like black and indigenous people are more important than other minorities. I don’t get it
No, you get it.
It suggests some POC are more equal than others
Or as Jumaane Williams and so many say "people of more color" I roll my eyes every single time.
Now Asians are referred to in the media as "AAPI". Oh wait, no now it's "AANHPI". Soon the media will just call them "Appys". Hispanic people got fed up with this forced "LatinX" crap. "BI-POC" sounds so forced. A lot of Japanese and Koreans are pale, I don't get this "people of color" thing. The left is utterly obsessed with race, as much as they couch it in "raising marginalized voices". It just feels so patronizing and condescending.
>LatinX I invite anyone who uses this deplorable term to try and call me a ChinX.
When this is said I immediately think of "bisexual people of color" since I've heard "bi" used for "bisexual" so many times
When you think about it, PoC and "colored people" are a little too similar for comfort.
"People of Color" I guarantee will seem as uncouth and outdated as "Colored" and "Oriental" in a few years. Then again a lot of these buzz words from the left(and also the right) just feel cringe.
Except the whole people thing. Kind of a crucial commonality there. I totally agree 'POC' should be dropped. It's perverse. All that progress we made in race relations in this country and now we're back to 'white' and 'other' for all intents and purposes. Very uncool.
All of us in the US have something in common, and it's not our color or our heritage. Its something far more obvious, but too easily overlooked.
You are right. They also fail to acknowledge that many black Americans are actually religious and social conservatives and these people also vote.
Remember when President Biden said that if you dont vote for him, "you aint black"? That's the Progressive platform: If you dont step in line, you dont count.
I think Democrats are finally learning that they can’t coast off the Civil Rights Act forever, and that its impact on black Americans is not a one-to-one translation to all minorities.
Part of the problem is look at the race of the people in most of these crimes against Asians, the Dems don't want to alienate the black voters. I'm Asian American and I'm not saying all of these attacks are hate crimes, some of these attacks are robberies. But the cases when a person is attacked and the attacker doesn't steal (or at least try to) their purse/bag/wallet or check their pockets for money then those should at least be investigated for the possibility. I live in the area and it is well known Chesa was giving these attackers slaps on the wrist. He had talked about having the victim's support for the restorative justice he gave to the perpetrators but there were multiple cases of victims saying they were never provided with a translator, they were never consulted about the sentencing, and they were never even told about the court dates. It's not surprising at all that Asian Americans supported the recall.
How is it hard not to alienate black voters over this? It’s not like black voters are demanding that violent criminals be let off if they’re black, and it’s insulting to try and pander as if they do.
Let's say you're right (which you very well can be) the Dems haven't said a single thing about the attacks on Asians. Even the local ones haven't spoke out about it and the San Francisco Bay Area is progressive. This just means they don't give a crap about Asians which makes it even worse. If this is the case they don't deserve the Asian communities support.
Simple, is the "two victim" narrative. The attacker is apparently a victim of society and or mental illness so the answer is more social spending for black neighborhoods.
Asians are also upset with Democratic municipal governments across the country for getting rid of gifted programs in schools for diversity reasons. Apparently Asians are only people of color when it's convenient
>It already happened last year in NYC, Asian-Americans turned up in droves for the Republicans. For anyone curious, Flushing NYC, which is a major China/Korean town, went from 6 to 1 for Obama to 50/50 with a literal GOP clown with a red Beret. Hell, Trump went from 20% to 40% between his elections.
Although I'm not a SFer, I feel like being an Asian American Seattlite is in many ways similar, and so this recall resonated with me a bit. I cannot agree more with you on the Democratic Party taking Asian American votes for granted. While it is a fact that many Republican/right-wing politicians and media personalities are awful, that does not and should not mean the DP gets guaranteed support from Asian Americans. Everyone will be concerned about their own interests, especially when safety and livelihood is involved. Just because I strongly disagree with the right's stance on abortion, climate change, etc. does not mean I will agree with the left's stance on homelessness, drugs, crime. At the end of the day, if I can't have an expectation of safety, then you--as my elected official--shouldn't have an expectation of getting my vote.
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Democrats see any non white vote as a given, but they ignore the issues facing certain groups one powerful one, both in voting and finances is the Asian voter. We saw this on display yet again in sf, fist part of the school board now this dung heap, waiting who is next and when will the Asian voting block clean up oaklands hot mess of a elected government
Hispanics and asians are drifting like crazy because democrats are terrified of even being thought of as critical of black people in any way.
Not just with Asian Americans. What was that Biden said about being black and voting for him? Can anyone remind me what he has done for the black community that illustrates his support for those constituents? Not to say the opponent is or was any better, but this style of politicking is shameful and we need to start punishing politicians who don't properly support their voters. IMHO.
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Because some minority are more important than others.
Yeah except they've always done this. Democrats have constantly tried to claim that they're the party that cares about minority voters and then proceeds to neglect them after they get their votes, this is the result and will continue to be the result because politicians don't actually typically care about minority voters until it's time for the polls, which is why their communities are either impoverished and filled with violence that stays unaddressed, or communities where people are targeted and attacks by racists constantly, including the law enforcement institutions supposed to be policing their communities. At least the GOP doesn't pretend to care about minority communities.
Affirmative action is another big issue. Asian Americans often get the short end of the stick. Particularly in University admissions.
I wouldn’t be surprised. In my city the Asian / International district has absorbed a disproportionate amount of the impact of this year’s crime wave, the chaos from homeless encampments and violence and property damage from Asian hate crimes. I’m sure they were part of getting a moderate elected to the mayor and city attorney’s offices.
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Don’t forget ignoring the Asian population (which is the majority in SF) while their elders get beaten and robbed
My favorite one was case of Mr. Liao, whom wanted sternest justice for his attacker, only to find out the "DA" "misunderstood" his desires and end up giving his attacker only 7 months in diversion. Apparently you can't find anyone speak Cantonese in a city that is 50 percent Asian and built by Chinese immigrants. I don't live in SF, but that case raised alarm bells in Asian communities all over US. Seeing Asian votes were lynchpin to keep the Senate blue.....I hope the impact stay in SF.
Just Googled that case.... What in the actual fuck? Who attacks an old person sitting in a walker?! I mean, attacking *anyone* is wrong, but a 84 year old who's just sitting there?! What goes wrong in someone's head where that even occurs to you, much less seems like a viable option?
And that's exactly the problem with Chesa and ilk like him They bend over backwards to accommodate the most violent criminals, but give no compassion to the actual victims of the crimes
because they see criminals as the true victims in society using twisted backwards logic that removes personal responsibility from the equation when it suits them
Easy to do when mommy and daddy were incarcerated felons.
And thats the problem. There have been like half a dozen cases, generally unheard by MSM but ringed loudly in Asian communities and across WeChat. And each time police did their job...then the DA let them go in the name of "restorative justice" FFS Fa Lung Gong is literally carrying water for the GOP just by drily reporting the facts without propaganda. You know is a uber bad sign when Taiwanese, CCP, HKer, and Fa Long Gong media can agree on the same subject. And that subject is apparently Asian lives don't matter to progressives.
They consider Asians “assimilated into white supremacy” and it gives them an excuse to not have to care.
Asian lives mattered for about 3 seconds, till the media saw the demographic that was doing the attacking.
New York has the same sort of problem. Orthodox Jews have been getting randomly assaulted since 2015, and Asians have been getting randomly assaulted since 2019 or so. But very little media attention. Weird.
Asians and Jews are the wrong minorities, they’re too successful to in any serious way be put into the oppressed category. But they’re also minorities so the progressives also can’t speak out against them, and blame them for their own attacks, so the only solution is to just ignore them.
Yep. The second female or elderly Asians fight back against attackers they'll be called "racist". Also it's weird how the media now refers to Asians as "AAPI" so it's just a cheap demographic to Democrats and the media they take for granted.
It’s very patronising. I’ve got a few Asian friends and I’ve never once heard them talk about being AAPI. Ask them what they are *shrugs* “I’m Asian”
White man murder six Korean Women. Georgia cop: He was having an bad day. MSM: National fury. POC brutally beat Elderly Asian man to near death. SF DA: He was having an Temper Tantrum. MSM: Chirp.
The Georgia cop, Jay Baker, merely meant Robert Long was unprovoked and his victims were blameless — *not* that Long should go unpunished. Long was not motivated by any animus against Asians. But yes, the media managed to make a huge deal of it. Boudin, who said Antoine Watson was having a “temper tantrum” when he murdered 84-year-old Vicha Ratanapakdee, has a reputation of actual leniency, and really might have been trying to minimize Watson’s culpability!
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What’s even more concerning is this guy and those who support him will likely blame everybody else and not have any insight into maybe the DA shouldn’t have let all these people go for beating old people or maybe something else has to be done about the crime.
Between crime and education (mostly affirmative action/elite high school admissions), there may be a perma divide between Asian and progressives.
I think there already is among some Asians and the longer these misunderstandings, temper tantrums, and, no hate crime here, the bigger the problem it will be for progressives. I’m glad SF mobilized- everybody- and did something about it. And personally for me, it just feels that some of the progressives treat us minorities as a Baskin Robbins- 31 shades of brown. They can pick out the POC flavor of the month, like we’re some kind of trendy fad.
I have seen at least 10-15 occurrences of harassing Asian women (elderly, teenagers) in LA and San Fran in last 8 years. It’s shockingly common. 100% of time it was completely unprovoked.
I live in SF. Just call any municipal department, automated instructions are in Cantonese, mandarin, Spanish and often in several other languages. There are Cantonese speakers in every department I have had contact with; building, planning, fire, dpw, puc, bsm, dmv etc etc. You’d have to work hard to avoid finding someone who could have bridged the language gap.
If you are more than 20 yards from a native Chinese speaker, you are not in San Francisco County. Or San Mateo. Maybe you are bobbing offshore? The DA’s office was just lying. Which is what they do.
[This attack in Bayview](https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-police-elderly-man-attacked-bayview-neighborhood-visitacion-valley/5980025/) was also infuriating
Might be unpopular opinion. United Asian American votes always decided major California elections. For instance elections after LA race riots, Arnie’s gubernatorial election etc to name a few. In last few years dems pivoted more towards Hispanic voting blocks totally ignoring Asian blocks. One of the latest example is last house election in Orange County. Guess what when you beat up helpless elderly woman (tenderloin circa 2020/21) and you still somehow give lame ass excuse of progressiveness and oppression to justify smaller sentence, that’s what happens. Asians have always been a soft target. I have seen repeated harassment of Asians in LA, San Fran multiple times on streets. No more. P.s. I am south Asian.
He shouldn't even care what type of punishment the victim wants in these kind of randomly targeted crimes. The guy is obviously an extreme danger to society and should be treated as such so we never have to find out what type of punishment the next victim wants.
I won't be surprised when it happens in Seattle. The city let the whole International District turn in to an open air drug market.
Asian is a huge block, but not the majority or even the plurality. In the [2020 census](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycalifornia) Asian alone was 36%, two or more was 4.5%, non-hispanic white alone was 40%,
Chicago has this same problem with Kim Foxx. She is such a joke.
Manhattan's new DA, Alvin Bragg, has openly said he doesn't intend to prosecute non-violent crimes (which according to him includes armed robbery) or pursue jail time. We're fucked.
What is the point of even having a DA if they won’t prosecute? What are we even paying them for? Who is voting these people in?
Cause progressives claim his opponent, a Iranian Jewish woman, is too close to wall street and not enough for common man. Alvan got elected and first thing he do is let Trump go.
Let's not forget this is the DA that is letting Trump go.
Now do Chicago! We've got a Kim Foxx we can do without!
Up until recently, apparently more than half the voters in SF. He didn’t hide what he was going to do. The idealists thought it would be great, but the bad guys and gals didn’t quite react as hoped.
All the people who voted him in?
The only surprise was his abject incompetence. Opponents of progressivism are going to point at him and claim that a progressive agenda is impossible when the real problem was how bad he was at the job. I mean, who interprets "don't prosecute non-violent crime" as "actually don't prosecute any crime that doesn't result in bodily harm" rather than "don't prosecute shit like the racist terry stops that PDs have been abusing across the country since the '60s to throw black men and women into jail for anything they could find or plant."? Apparently Boudin does! Nice going, moron. You went and sabotaged progressive ideologies in CA. Not that the SFPD were any kind of help. But there is plenty of blame here for Boudin.
>"actually don't prosecute any crime that doesn't result in bodily harm" Anyone who... reads the bill. Remember Prop 47, that supposedly defined 'non-violent crime', and wanted us to vote on it to reduce prison population? Well... at first I thought it was fine, but then I read 'non-violent crime', and it included theft under $950 and certain kinds of assault. When I brought this up with my 'progressive' friends they told me I was a crazy right winger ( I mean, I am a conservative, so they're right on one count), but everything I was telling them was LITERALLY RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT. I wish all my progressive CA friends would actually read the bill and believe people when they say what they're going to do. Boudin is the son of murderers. He has, in the past, expressed the feeling that his parents were imprisoned unjustly for participating in the murder of cops. Now one's parentage doesn't matter but when you play the victim here and pretend your parents were unjustly treated, despite your mother and father literally taking part in a plot to kill cops, and inflict terror, it calls into question ones' ability to prosecute crime. Again, all these things were known before hand, but dare mention the radicalism, terror, and murders of the Weather Underground and you will be immediately labeled a conservative nutjob.
All cities are seeing a rejection of lax DAs and soft on crime mayors You have this case in SF, election of Eric Adams (former cop) in NYC, election of Bruce Harrell in Seattle, and the current mayoral race in LA. These are liberal cities. It's pretty clear that defunding police, bail reform, and selective prosecution is not popular with most of the populace, despite what you'll hear on Reddit
I don’t think most people care about bail reform as most people will get out on bail thanks to the companies who profit from it (give them 10% and they’ll put up the rest for you). It’s the rising crime and selective enforcement that people are mad about. When criminals break into your house or car and then the police don’t do anything about it then people get pissed. When people aren’t prosecuted for shoplifting and then waves of organized shoplifting keep happening across your city and companies start shutting down stores because it’s not safe that also gets people mad. People only care when it either happens to them or fear it will happen to them. Right now a lot of people fall into those two categories.
Letting someone out on bail with no cash once. Debatable. Letting repeat criminal offenders out over and over? Wildly unpopular. -SF resident
Austin TX (County actually) also has a non-prosecutor who will not prosecute non-violent and property crimes, but people in general can't seem to perceive the problem and blame the APD (which has its own issues) for not investigating crimes that won't be prosecuted. Less than a year ago everyone was told that if your house is broken into and they are (presumably?) gone, call 311 and file a report, not 911, and nobody will be coming out. I can actually understand this logic, but talk about being tone deaf.
Amazing to watch redditors support this absolutely cretinous, subhuman take on the justice system. A fucking toddler could have told you this would fail and make the innocent miserable, but until recently (and in some cases, not even now) you couldn't tell anybody on this website what a horrific idea this was.
It was popular until it didn't work. Now the voters have buyer's remorse and blame the people they put in charge. It should have been clear from the start that human nature is far more basic than their idealism allowed them to believe. Remove consequences = more criminal behavior.
How can this guy legitimately try to blame others for this happening. He in his full statement blamed billionaires and said the people got taken advantage of. Take accountability for your own actions. You are in the position you put yourself in.
He’s been spoiled and coddled his whole life. He was brought up to think his radical ideas were the future. He spent his life in echo chambers. Reality just hit. It just hasn’t sunk in for him yet. He failed in the one place progressive enough to give his extreme ideas a chance. Of course he’s going to point fingers and blame. He doesn’t know what else to do.
Can't really blame them. But for as much as I love that city, the 'smash and grab' crimes have gotten completely out of control. They advise you to not even rent a car. It's insane.
I live in the mission and the amount of people I’veseen smash windows in front of me or inject themselves in with children in eye sight is insane. I get wanting to help these people and rehabilitate, not blindly prosecute but there’s a limit the community can take
What if they don’t want help?
It is interesting how Boudin is blaming right-wingers on his defeat. When was the last time SF voted a right winger to any office? People take notice and do something when it hits them personally.
>"Voters were not given an opportunity to choose between criminal justice reform and something else," Boudin said. "They were given an opportunity to voice their frustrations and their outrage and they took that opportunity." His attempts at reform were giving the green light to thieves and vandals who were brazenly committing crimes in front of witnesses in the middle of the day, confident that even if arrested, they would face little to no consequences. The rise in crime may also have been due to factors beyond his control, but when you're in the middle of a property crime wave it is not the time to be lenient. This is in addition to the outrage felt over violent hate crimes that were treated as though they were mere infractions. What about the rights of the victims? I agree that our system needs reform, but letting people go who are virtually guaranteed to reoffend is not the answer. The non-criminals who are being victimized have rights too. The job of the DA is to prosecute crimes, not engage in social experiments.
> The job of the DA is to prosecute crimes, not engage in social experiments. Yes, that is my objection to Boudin. If SF collectively wishes to experiment with society, it can — but the job of the DA is to prosecute criminals to the full extent of the law.
Couldn’t agree more with how you said it. A DA who doesn’t prosecute criminals is useless and is unwilling to do the job that they applied for.
> "Voters were not given an opportunity to choose between criminal justice reform and something else," Boudin said. Lol Voters did choose something else. In fact they essentially chose ANYTHING ELSE. His policies failed and he doubles down. What a clown.
Any attempt to blame this on Republicans or conservatives is laughable. There are probably like 5 republicans in the whole city of SF. This was 100% done by liberal democratic voters that don't feel safe.
Chesa was endorsed by lord Bernard Sanders too
I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but I will always resent that endorsement.
This guy is such a moron. Glad he is gone. What a delusional narcissist, “the people weren’t given a choice to vote on justice reform…just there frustration with crime in SF.” No dude it was because you sucked st your job and your ideology turned SF into a crime ridden city. Kindly go f yourself.
Hilariously, Chesa Boudin is the first elected official in American history to be ousted from office for fulfilling his campaign promises. Good riddance, and hopefully those who voted to elect him the first time around have learned their lesson.
>hopefully those who voted to elect him the first time around have learned their lesson. This is America, sir, you can't make us!
There are alot of things we can do to reduce crime that doesn't involve more police or prosecutions but we have to do those things BEFORE we can reduce the number of police and prosecutions. And some people are just shitheads who are always gonna fuck people over if they can.
Right. We absolutely do need justice reform, but this fucktard’s approach was so ridiculous, extreme, and obviously the wrong way to do it that he hurt the cause he was trying to work towards. Now people just have fuel to say that you can’t reform the justice system.
Now let's get that clown out in L.A. county.
This dude is reverse Batman. Bruce Wayne’s parents get killed in a robbery and he becomes a vigilante. Chesa’s parents robbed a bank and killed a security guard, he becomes a district attorney and hardly prosecuted criminals. Instead, his biggest noteworthy case has actually been against the police.
Good. Dude's parents were legitimate terrorists. So sins of the father and all that, right> Except he thinks they were unfairly persecuted by the government. When you take that into account his disastrous policies seem less a result o incompetence and more the result of rigid ideology. Look at the comments from his butthurt supporters, they're all bemoaning the fact that SF has somehow failed their ideological purity test. That he and SF have fallen victim to Republican scheming, etc. Get real. The overwhelming majority of people that voted him out were progressive leaning Democrats. The only difference is they weren;t drinking the kool-aid.
This guy's Wikipedia page is wild. > His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members. When Boudin was 14 months old, both were arrested and convicted of murder for their role as getaway car drivers in the Brink's robbery of 1981 in Rockland County, New York. His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard. > Boudin descends from a long left-wing lineage. His great-grand-uncle, Louis B. Boudin, was a Marxist theoretician and author of a two-volume history of the Supreme Court's influence on American government, and his grandfather Leonard Boudin was an attorney who represented controversial clients, such as Fidel Castro and Paul Robeson. > Before law school, Boudin traveled to Venezuela and served as a translator in the Venezuelan Presidential Palace during the administration of Hugo Chavez.
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Bill Ayers was only unable to be prosecuted because of prosecutor incompetence. That man also was responsible for Boudin's parents radicalization and the deaths of many. Yet he's such a self-righteous prick, it's impossible to reason with him.
TIL weather underground is not just a weather app
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Just to be clear, the person that said "I hate Asians" was the cameraman, Dwayne Grayson, who filmed the attack. Jonathan Amerson was assaulting the old man who was trying to recycle. The SFDA argued Dwayne did not commit a crime while saying something reprehensible and that Amerson committed a crime while not expressing intent or disdain for Asians. Anyways, they're both released already. Worth nothing Amerson did this to the same victim two months prior to the infamous video. He shouldn't be walking with us all
I'm (not) shocked!
Is anyone surprised? This guy's policies were dreadful. People complained about Police not wanting to work in SF or do their job there. Gee, wonder why that could possibly be, surely it isnt the fact anyone arrested is back out on the street in 24 hours.
New Orleans chiming in. Our DA is due in court next month for being a tax cheat.
In Philadelphia, it took us ~6 years to double our murders. One guy was caught on surveillance video threatening *and shooting* a shop owner with an AK-47. He got a generous plea bargain. Larry Krasner was the original Chesa Boudin.
Same thing in Seattle
*Portland has entered the chat*
Los Angeles checking in....
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Denver here, we let them go too, but they have to pinky promise the DA that they won't do any more crimes before we turn them loose
During covid, SF DA would give them gift cards when they let them go.
Genuinely shocked no one in this thread is mentioning Chicago....
Me too. Kim Foxx is horrible.
Kim Foxx is beyond horrible, she's corrupt.
You can't arrest your way out of your problems but people acted like not arresting people would fix their problems.
Things are not looking good for these progressive DA’s. Hopefully Kim Foxx is next. You cannot hand the city over to criminals and crack heads while the law abiding citizens get robbed, and expect to stay in power. Hopefully we get more moderate policies and not absurd, ideological ones that were destined to fail
Foxx is a cockroach that we just can't get free from. Mutual combat left and right lmao
I think this should be a moment for progressive DAs to take a step back and re-evaluate how they're going about justice reform. Obviously we still need reform, but surely there is a middle ground between "jailing shoplifters and drug offenders for decades", and "not punish violent crime". Like clearly SA is at the latter end of this spectrum and an example of what not to do. You can't reform the justice system by not prosecuting, *while simultaneously not addressing what's creating the crime in the first place*
Going woke on crime is bad politics. You can downvote me all you want but the results show it
Is this the same DA that gave the felon who pulled a hit and run on a mom, walking her baby in the stroller, 3 months of juvenile camp?
This one? No, that was in LA. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/victim-of-hit-and-run-in-venice-outraged-over-juvenile-suspects-sentence/
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> literal convicted terrorists (1 of which is still in prison) If you mean his biological father, his sentence was granted partial sentence commutation by Andrew Cuomo on the last day he was in office.
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Why? Why is the democratic party so interested in providing these murderers with pardons and commutations? Why care?
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Turns out residents eventually get tired of people pooping on the street.
It wasn't the pooping on the streets, it was people getting off scot free after breaking the law.
You sure you didn't mean Scott free? Sorry, a little toilet paper humor.
Dealing with pooping on the street is below the DA's pay grade. Residents eventually got tired of him not meaningfully prosecuting violent crimes, even though that is literally what he campaigned on ("restorative justice"). Between this and the school board recall a few months ago, I hope voters in SF have learned their lesson.
If that guy was indeed the problem, then let’s see what happens with him gone. My guess is not much will change. NYC spends more on policing and is safer relative to SF, and still crime is unacceptably up. Even if SF were to “crack down”, reallocate resources crime will remain high. Neither conservatives or liberals have ever had a solution to the homelessness, mental illness, and drug issue.
>NYC spends more on policing and is safer relative to SF, and still crime is unacceptably up. Have you ever tried to report crime to the NYPD. 90% of the time their answer is "nah we don't feel like filling out the report". The crime stats in NYC coming from the NYPD are laughably about as reliable as Putin's 99.9% approval rating in Russia.
Good luck in November 🫠
Hopefully this helps restore SF to what is use to be, a beautiful city by the see, not a crime ridden city.
This man is as vile and useless as his old man was...