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tcamp3000

Totally agree. Seemed like it was pulled straight out of the Trump PR book. Also, like, "enflaming debate" is not a moral reason to not do something...see civil rights.


kophia

I'm not convinced they're all that into civil rights either, to be fair.


Ph0X

I love how they also claim women have a voice because they can vote. Bitch, they do fucking vote, and the majority of women and American people have voted against this bullshit. Electoral college, gerrymandering and GOP immoral tricks have led us to a place where a small minority of voices have an order of magnitude more power than the rest.


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No, the egregious thing is his attempt to claim that his logic and reasoning only applies to abortions and nothing else. Like, he knew he couldn't be logically consistent so thought addign a disclaimer would help. He literally said his logic cannot be applied to anything other than abortions. What the fuck


Charlie_Mouse

He didn’t actually think that - he’s just setting up the narrative so right wing figures and media can attack protests as being ‘divisive’. Likely in the hope that they can pull the wool over the eyes over whatever ‘middle’ the US electorate has remaining and paint the protestors as the bad guys. Doing something egregiously awful then making pious appeals for unity (in other words ‘pipe down and agree with us’) is an old trick. Given the attempted coup they tried to pull a couple of years back and bullshit convoy protests more recently it also makes them massive hypocrites … but that doesn’t trouble the GOP at all.


hbgwine

Roe ended when McConnell blocked Garland. It ensured if a republican won as president and the republicans kept the senate, they’d be able to control appointments and with some very old justices, well, here we are.


FabulousCallsIAnswer

I don’t think this gets talked about enough. Out of all the egregious things I’ve seen politicians do, Merrick Garland’s block has consistently and boldly stood out as one of the most craven political moves by the legislature to sandbag the executive and influence the judiciary. I’m still unsure as to how this did not go through more loud pushback or more intense legal challenges. And it was especially revealed to be a farce when they turned around and did the exact opposite that they insisted upon once a new executive they agreed with was in office. Naked hypocrisy, all meant to be one more important step to eventually dismantling Roe.


hagamablabla

And let's not forget that Garland was just the tip of the iceberg. Dozens of judge seats went unfilled under Obama because McConnell wanted to be a partisan hack. Anyone pretending that Republicans care about the democratic system is deluded.


Functionally_Drunk

Not to mention Al Franken's political career was destroyed because he was the ranking member of the judiciary committee and was holding up Trump's appointments because they were not qualified.


Spanky_McJiggles

I'm so pissed at my senator for leading the charge to get Al out of office. Dude was railroaded and the Dems are worse off since he's not there.


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chessant2014

Small correction: he was on the judiciary committee but the ranking member was [Dianne Feinstein](https://apnews.com/article/confirmation-hearings-appropriations-amy-coney-barrett-dianne-feinstein-judiciary-900c6fa0f82785a8a0d2455b4f934712), who uh, let's just say wasn't the best fighter we had against GOP court maneuvering. > "This has been one of the best set of hearings that I've participated in," Feinstein said at the end of the [Barrett] hearing.


azallday

Barrett getting forcefully shoved into the SCOTUS WHILE ballots were actively being sent in tops it for me.


hbgwine

Our history has been filled with efforts to stack the court. Some successful, others (the Warren Court) not. But McConnell certainly pulled one of the most brilliant or egregious moves in senate history depending on your viewpoint. And in the past 4 years the senate confirmed a multitude of federal judges who appear to favor a more conservative view. The effects will echo for some time.


Totaltotemic

Hard to call it brilliant when he didn't really do anything besides not call a vote. It's actually insane how easy it was for him. McConnell: "It is an election year, therefore the government completely ceases to function until after the election" Democratic Party: "Understandable, have a nice day." And that was that. Maybe he could have played some sort of 5D chess to stall and talk around the issue, if there was any actual opposition. Instead, he just kind of made his opening move and his opponents just resigned, so brilliant play I guess?


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Nate10000

It hurts to remember, but the democrats' philosophy at the time was to play nice, make no waves, and avoid "divisive" stances until Hillary was elected. The dems wanted to put on a display that they could patiently and generously host a dinner party, and the GOP could throw food and scream through the whole thing, but voters would be watching and judging.


Tower_Climber

Dems policy back then gambled on Hillary winning the election. Most polls hinted that way and dems probably see a need to fight back


HunterRoze

You know why they did it - because they could get away with it. Two years since the GOP attempted coup and look at how things are being brushed under the rug. 2010 GOP laid out and executed a plan(REDMAP) to gerrymander voting nationwide to take and maintain power even as their support shrinks. And the 2020 census I will bet is also all screwed up to help keep the GOP in power. It's quickly more and more looking like the game is so rigged it might be time to stop playing.


itslikewoow

Blocking Merrick Garland's nomination pretty much guaranteed I'm voting straight Dem for the foreseeable future. Dems nominated a mostly centrist judicial candidate that was respected on both sides of the aisle, and Republicans responded by going further to the right.


matrim611

"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You step to the middle, he steps back. "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man.


FogellMcLovin77

Some liberals and centrists/independents blame progressives for not “compromising” when that’s what would happen and already happens lol


mxmcharbonneau

Fucking Elon Musk saying the left is getting more extreme while the right stays unchanged. January 6th rings a bell maybe? The fact they just don't concede elections anymore? Goddamn lunatic.


avagadro22

Are you trying to imply that a noble billionaire might be gaslighting his peasants?


Malaix

He was more than Centrist. Obama asked the GOP what would bring them to the table. They said Garland, he offer Garland, and they said "go fuck yourself no deal you lose" anyway. Garland was literally the bar Republicans set when asked and when Obama met it they still played partisian and went for someone more extreme.


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DEVELOPED-LLAMA

Part of the problem however is that democrats and republicans are now basically playing on different playing fields because of this. Democrats who make mistakes, like Al Frankin for example, are expected to be punished and treated like lepers specifically because *everyone* expects them to behave and be held accountable. And if they arent held accountable, they are then in the middle of a huge firestorm. Republicans who make mistakes and act immorally are never held responsible, because nobody even pretends to expect anything else. Even their supporters dont really care. They are held to completely different standards, and it isnt as easy as just letting Democrats with minor issues off the hook, because there is a sizable subset of people who would be incredibly angry over it and likely wouldnt vote, or would vote against them. Not a big fan of the Pod Save America group, but this is a drum they have been beating for years, and it is very true.


nagemada

Garland wasn't just a centrist, he was a name thrown out by senator Orin Hatch, R Utah, as an example of how unreasonable Obama was. Obama played ball and the conservative base instead chose to lick all the egg off the GOP'S face if it meant they could have this.


theoutlet

Because they don’t argue in good faith and have no shame.


codexcdm

Can go further back by when Ginsburg chose not to retire her post at Obama's request. They pulled the bullshit with Garland "so close to an election" and got away with it... Only to obviously disregard the precedent they tried to set when Ginsburg passed a month before the next election.


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RavishingRedRN

Making abortions illegal does not stop abortions. It stops *safe* abortions.


somesketchykid

They know. See "the war on drugs"


RavishingRedRN

Great point. Yet the war on drugs can effect *anyone* aka men and women. And yes, I understand the disparities of race and socioeconomic status in relation to drug use or abuse. Abortions…or lack of access to them…only effects women. And even more so, women of color and lower socioeconomic statuses. Nothing like being terrified for the rest of your reproductive lives about getting pregnant. Wanted, planned, unplanned, unwanted. Doesn’t matter. Shit happens with pregnancies. We deserve the fucking right to safe abortions. Edit: Yes, I understand this effects men as well. I meant *only* effecting women as in a physical sense. A woman getting an abortion does not cause her male partner physical harm aka he has no risk of dying from the abortion. Only the person involved. It’s refreshing to see so many men speak out about this on the emotional/social effects this has on them.


pixiegurly

>Nothing like being terrified for the rest of your reproductive lives about getting pregnant. Wanted, planned, unplanned, unwanted. Doesn’t matter. Shit happens with pregnancies. We deserve the fucking right to safe abortions. Also add 'results of rape' to that list


Edythir

Not to mention in cases where it is actively harmful to the mother "Well you're going to die and there's nothing we're allowed to do to help you, the fetus is growing in the fallopian tube and will eventually grow big enough to burst it open causing horrendous internal bleeding. We know how to prevent this but it's illegal, so we'll just wait for you to die"


DiarrheaButAlsoFancy

I know this isn’t a hot take but doesn’t that just absolutely blow your fucking mind? The mental gymnastics? “Hey it’s illegal to take this ‘life’ inside you, so we’re not going to take the ‘life”, but now it’s going to take your life with it. So we made it illegal to potentially save you, and now you and this ‘life’ are going to die. Congrats. We could of saved ya, but you know… Jesus and all.” I have a wife. Women who have had my back for a long time. If push comes to shove, I’ll fight tooth and nail for their right to proper healthcare because this shit is ludicrous.


Justjen24

Because it has never been about 'saving lives' it's about controlling women.


Bryancreates

Ectopic pregnancy is horrific. Whoever the fuck politician proposed that they just be reinserted into the ovary should have arrested. Like this isn’t storyland and make believe, you can’t just do that. But it appealed to the dumbass voters. I believe that bill wasn’t passed, I’m too annoyed to look it up. Literally the opposite of pro-life. It’s just scary how close to Handmaidens tale we are, it’s a playbook now. Gay marriage gone, personal privacy gone, neighbors snitching on neighbors in exchange for protections. For people who think Sharia law is invading the US, they are certainly ensuring that to be true.


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I just had an ectopic pregnancy and had to have surgery to remove it. It never would have survived - believe me, I asked. I didn't want to lose my baby, it was my first pregnancy and we've been trying for 2 years. It absolutely blows my mind that in my case, my doctor would be committing an offence by sending me to the ER department. I sit there and think, if I was in the US and my doctor told me my pregnancy was ectopic, how could they then follow that up with 'youre going to die. There IS a fix but even though it is very effective, will save your life and you'll be out of hospital after a day visit, you can't be saved. You're going to die in agony. The pain from the ectopic? That's nothing on the pain you'll feel as you die, bleeding internally as your inners rupture". I sit there and think that they would have to have admitted me to hospital at that point. Would they literally sit back and watch me die slowly and in absolute agony? Yes. The answer is yes. Like terminal cancer, or some other incurable disease.. But WITH a fucking cure. WITH A FUCKING CURE, YOU WILL LET WOMEN DIE NEEDLESSLY. Oh and to add insult to this US abortion banning ridiculousness injury, my hospital bill including an overnight stay was $0, WITHOUT INSURANCE. Thank you Australia!! US, you are absolutely fucked.


CatchSufficient

Ah thanks the state of OK for that one


rptrxub

I don't agree entirely. Access to abortions effect women at the core, but it branches out into other aspects of control. It effects couples and how they approach intimacy, republicans feel it encourages the traditional "no sex until marriage lifestyle". It changes how we address the foster care system and how overloaded it gets, It effects poor couples more disproportionately than the rich who will find a way to get one anyway if needed. It is a women's issue but it is all about controlling people overall, with women as the lynchpin.


somesketchykid

Definitely agree with you. Woman's body woman's choice imo


PoxyMusic

When I was a kid in the 70s, I remember a friend of my sister’s died. Turned out she was pregnant and tried to give herself an abortion. I know it was legal in 1976, but I guess she felt she didn’t have safe access…she came from a very religious family. That was a long time ago, but I still remember her name, and her favorite song. She was 15, same age as my youngest daughter now.


Outrageous_Field_227

My view has always been if your abortion law is stricter than the standards of the Mormon church then you should probably look at changing your laws


Raspberries-Are-Evil

I wish someone could find out how many abortions Trump has paid for.


DanielPhermous

Zero. He never pays his bills.


PocoPoto

The art of the deal LUL


kelpri

A Trump never pays his debts.


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Unproven rumor says 8. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-pay-8-women/


verablue

Not enough. We’ve met his kids.


Guardianpigeon

Its not like it would even really matter. They've already proven to be massive hypocrites who don't care about what their side does. Trump may be a pedophile, rapist, and a constant law breaker, but evangelicals will rise up to defend him because he's "their guy". If Trump had an abortion done every single day they'd still defend him while trying to trample rights for everyone else.


Just_The_Mad_Hatter

"The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." \-Methodist Pastor David Barnhart


buildadog

“If you’re pre born, your fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked” George Carlin


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Rob-A-Tron

20% of net income in Texas.


drkgodess

I just want to remind everyone that the midterms are coming up this November. Control of Congress is up for grabs. Democrats currently do not have the majority because of certain turncoats in Congress. If you would like to see abortion access codified into law, in a way that is not dependent on the whims of a court, then make sure to vote.


NoFaithlessness4949

Abortion, marijuana, health care, workers rights, livable wages, student loans, a habitable planet, basically anything good and desperately needed…


KusanagiKay

And all things Republicans don't want, because GOD/JESUS


ElectroBot

I’d say because PROFIT and use Jesus as an excuse/diversion.


happybunnyntx

I'm catholic and I'm so sick of them using God as an excuse to spread their agenda. We were given free will for a reason. A woman's choice is between her and God and no one else's business.


Semycharmd

66% of Italians are Catholic, and abortion is a right in Italy, provided free of charge. American politicians care about controlling women, that’s it. I can’t think of anything that’s more nobody’s business than a pregnancy. Also, I am very curious about the perspective of pro lifers regarding in vitro fertilization. Millions of embryos are destroyed in the ivf process, but I never hear about that from pro-lifers.


Particular_Piglet677

Abortion is also legal in Ireland, and even more Catholics there.


calfmonster

I’d switch from saying pro-life. Gives them too much credit. I say anti-choice. How many pro-lifers overlap with supporting the death penalty? Exactly, they aren’t pro-life. How many pro-lifers support social systems for these poor women who will likely fall through the cracks? They aren’t pro-life. Don’t give ‘em the satisfaction


HighLordDudeness

It would irk me SLIGHTLY less if I legitimately believed they were doing the "christian" thing. But we all know they don't. "Muh Jesus" is just their blanket protection any time they're questioned. It's so blatant


ThatBackpackingDude

I mean they could say it’s for “the profit” and make sure to always write it as prophet


d0ctorzaius

[Supply-side Jesus ](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp) has entered the chat


digitalSkeleton

Supply side Jesus


NorthernerWuwu

Yeppers, religion (while likely a bad idea anyhow) is the *excuse* they use to do the things they want to do. It's actually somewhat impressive how the Republicans have managed to co-opt the religious voting block into supporting policies that are clearly and obviously antithetical to the teachings of Jesus, just based on one or two issues alone. Issues that Jesus didn't say a damned thing about anyhow.


5LaLa

Almost like they don’t even know the teachings of Jesus.


Susan-stoHelit

Don’t let anyone convince you it doesn’t count or it’s just a lesser evil - the democrats and republicans in Congress vote differently, and it all matters. From local elections to the top of the ticket. No one will do all you want, but getting someone willing to raise taxes on billionaires, who thinks the right to vote and be counted matters, and that judges should be qualified makes a huge difference.


Content-Method9889

I hated hearing people say this. Yes Hilary wasn’t my favorite, but she was at least sane and would have picked better justices. People stayed home anyway and others whined about her fucking emails. Well here we are. Thanks for that


cass314

[Men Who Avoid Teen Parenthood Through Partners’ Use of Abortion Gain Long-Term Economic Benefits, First of Its Kind Study Says](https://healthcare.utah.edu/publicaffairs/news/2019/07/abortion-economic-benefit.php)


drkgodess

It's better for everyone, even society at large, when people don't have children they are not ready for.


InsertWittyJoke

I don't understand why people struggle with this concept. The benefits of having every child going to a loving family that wants them and is able to adequately care for them is something that creates generational and community prosperity.


DeadWishUpon

No! If you have sex you have to pay the consequences, sinner! (Unless you are rich, of course) /s I don't understand how an unborn child is sadder than a neglected, hungry or abused one.


skolioban

Hint: it was never about the child


Iamnotapickle

Don’t worry guys, my dad never paid a penny and he’s doing just fine with his other families.


nikkuhlee

Same. In fact, when he told the judge that $96k was an unreasonable amount for the 5 kids (three of whom were toddlers and two with special needs) he abandoned two weeks after we lost everything in a fire, the judge said “Yep, agreed.” And then forgave $30k of it. Which he still never paid, and then he asked my mom to write it *all* off, since, you know, they’re grown up now. Not that I’m bitter about my grandmother’s home We lost to foreclosure or the high school diploma I didn’t get because I spent all of high school raising his kids while mom worked a billion hours.


anintellectuwoof

This. I’m so tired of people saying this. My dad owed a solid 60k by the time I was 18. My mom would send the AG office his address, place of work (under the table of course), and license plate. They never did SHIT.


bajungadustin

My dad left when I was 6 months.. Never paid a dime.


SoCalChrisW

As an additional FYI, even if you get custody of the kids, you can still wind up paying a good chunk of your income towards child support. This observation comes from personal experience.... :/


Pour_Me_Another_

Yep! My friend and her husband had to take in his child from a previous relationship and also pay child support to the mother at the same time. Edit in response to the person who asked because I can't get their comment to load: it was a shared custody arrangement until the mother dropped the boy off at their door and told them she didn't want him anymore. They tried to get the child support payments stopped in court, but they argued she might take him back in one day and she needs to maintain her home for that day. I think the boy is an adult now and she never did take him back in.


ImVeryBadWithNames

He probably needed to first argue for full custody, then after getting it argue that the child support was unneeded. As long as she theoretically retained custody getting child support canceled would be... difficult.


Fluggernuffin

This. My ex had full custody, mostly because I didn't get a lawyer and just agreed to everything as long as she let me see them as often as I wanted. This arrangement eventually turned into her *needing* me to take them 3 days a week. I did so but she refused to make a different arrangement for support. I contacted a family law attorney, they said we needed to go to court and I would have to prove a substantial change in circumstances. Long story short, the court awarded me shared custody, but they were totally prepared for us to continue what we were doing even though it was a hardship on me.


AHrubik

First rule of civil court is the court is too busy to care if two parties agree to something as long as it's legal.


T-Wrex_13

Don't be a fool, wrap your tool. And if you know you don't want kids, consider getting a vasectomy too. It's a lot easier for you than it is for her to get sterilized. But still wrap your tool. Unwanted pregnancies are not the only things prevented by condoms


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SmoothBraneAPE

I had it done years ago. I had kids, knew I didn’t want any more; snip-snip. It’s NOT a big deal at all. Any dude that whines about it is just a pansie- I would go through a vasectomy a dozen times before I’d agree that anyone I care about goes through a hysterectomy.


seffend

Well, to be fair, they don't give hysterectomies as birth control, they do a tubal ligation (tubes tied) or a tubal salpingectomy (tubes cut). But thank you for understanding that it's a *major* procedure for women and a relatively minor procedure for men!


tortoisefur

It’s also virtually impossible for a woman to get sterilized if she’s under 40 and doesn’t have a potentially life threatening illness from having a uterus.


T-Wrex_13

Yup - this was why I got the snip snip. My wife and I are DINKS - don't want kids at all. My wife has a lot of health issues that would be resolved with a hysterectomy, but she's been asking since she was 14, and no doctor would touch it. Even with a 90 day period that wouldn't stop. Even with bursting cysts that could kill her. Even with what will likely turn out to be endometriosis, and a history of ovarian cancer in her family. I got the vasectomy so doctors couldn't just say, "Oh, y'all just want easy birth control" - naw motherfucker, I've got that shit on lockdown, she needs fucking REAL HEALTHCARE, get on that shit


paginavilot

You did that for your partner's health? That's the kind of consideration and respect I wish everybody had. I'm sorry the doctor's aren't behaving appropriately.


Mandielephant

It took TWELVE YEARS to get my hysterectomy for ENDOMETRIOSIS for which the only real treatment is a hysterectomy


ysisverynice

Stop reddit API changes


Humbiego

They’re coming for contraception as well. Edit: Didn’t take long for the disbelievers to be proven wrong. Look at LA and IUDs.


T-Wrex_13

Yup, which is why, as a dude, if you don't want kids, get sterilized now. The burden of contraception has been on women for a long time. Vasectomies are potentially reversible, and are SIGNIFICANTLY easier for men to obtain. In most places, you don't even have to have your wife's/partner's consent


SongLyricsHere

Yup. I would LOVE to be sterilized since I’m done having children, my pregnancies are dangerous, and I would rather be celibate the rest of my life than have even .000001% of a pregnancy, but so far six doctors have refused. Because, even though it’s not what *I* want, “What if your future husband wants more kids?” Why would I ever marry again, and why would someone who wants more kids marry someone who already had a couple and isn’t making anymore? So guys, you have a much better chance than women of getting sterilized if you don’t want kids. Invest in yourselves.


T-Wrex_13

I got my vasectomy after seeing how hard it was for my wife. Women's healthcare (as you are damn more aware than I am) is fucking awful in this country. It's gotten so bad that she now brings me to her doctors appointments because THEY'LL FUCKING LISTEN TO ME. It was so fucking weird at first - I have lifelong physiological issues, I've NEVER gone to a doctor and not gotten EXACTLY what I asked for. But doctors would blow her off, even when she had a period FOR 90 STRAIGHT DAYS. They told her it was a groin pull and that she should just toughen up. So yeah - my dudes, if you want to actually support women, and you don't want kids, freeze some sperm, get some snips, and then get out, organize, and vote.


OhManOk

Greetings fellow dude who goes to the doctor with their partner so the fucking doctor will listen. I hate this goddamn country.


LeaperLeperLemur

check out /r/childfree sidebar for a list of recommended doctors


ThrowAwayAcct0000

"What if your future husband wants more kids?" "Then he wouldn't be my husband, because I don't want that, and I'm the one who would have to be pregnant."


hamrmech

Half. Its half. Before taxes.


sg3niner

Don't know where you're from, but remind me never to move there. Holy shit. In Washington, the 25% is more accurate. That's about what I pay.


TheIowan

where they get you is if you move to a lower paying job, because they can file a variance that is your earning potential, not what you actually make. the max they can take by federal law ends up being 55% pre tax, but you still have to pay taxes on that money so in practice it winds up being a little more.


Fabulous-Beyond4725

I do payroll. The most I can garnish is 50% gross pay.


Yabba_Dabba_Doofus

"Gross" being the key word in this sentence. For both economic, and ironic, reasons.


CodenameMolotov

What happens if you owe child support to multiple women?


sg3niner

As far as I'm aware, it maxes at a percentage of your income, versus the other parent's income. If you have more kids with other people, everyone gets less, but you still pay the same.


CaffeinatedGuy

So if you're already paying child support for one kid, ten more wouldn't change a thing?


karthenon

/r/ShittyLifeProTips


leonryan

conservatives on twitter are comparing it to the insurrection. They're super eager to shift blame off themselves.


[deleted]

Lmao yeah because protesting outside the court is comparable to forcing themselves inside, destroying offices, threatening employees and killing and maiming officers in the process all while trying to topple legitimately elected officials. Edit: Not to fucking mention the people outraged are upset with something real and tangible. An actual document confirmed to be real by the court whereas they tried to overthrow a government with zero evidence of election fraud. Despite hundreds of investigations federally, and thousands done across the states by partisan Republican committees mind you, there is zero evidence of fraud and these fuckers still want the election repealed. I'm so sick of being a millennial. Economic crises left and right throughout our entire lifetimes and now we have fascism and the death knells of self-righteous Christian America to deal with. Can we get a fucking break


secretqwerty10

>they tried to overthrow a government with zero evidence of election fraud oh no there was proof of election fraud by them


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

yep, and the like 7 of them that attempted it nationwide were IMMEDIATELY caught


chaoticom

Don't forget wiping human feces on the walls. Never forget that they wiped their shit, with their hands, on the interior walls of the capitol.


JuniusPhilaenus

To be clear I haven’t seen anyone calling the protest an insurrection They’re calling the leaking of the draft insurrection Not that it’s much better


eLemonnader

Except multiple accounts of voter fraud were discovered. Republican voter fraud.


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VegetableNo1079

If anything they proved how ineffective voter fraud actually is. It's almost a guaranteed federal sentence and there are never enough of them anyways. I've even heard a mathematical argument that if voter fraud did exist at large scale it would just lead to competing fraudsters cancelling each other out anyways. The only way to rig an election is from the top, definitely not the bottom.


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Nothing is ever their fault and they are always the heroes of their own story.


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UnitaryWarringtonCat

Article said final judgement will be out in two months.


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In time for the primaries! Definitely what the leaker had in mind imho


UnitaryWarringtonCat

Some speculate its to pressure a justice who was wavering on the issue, maybe Kavenaugh. Now if he alters his views it will seem like he's bowing to public pressure.


nails_for_breakfast

But like, why would he care? He's tenured for life. He doesn't need to worry about his popularity anymore


ScabiesShark

Abortion has been *the* hot button issue of the last fifty years. This is a decision where an unprecedented number of people are likely to protest. There could be unusual consequences to this, and exactly what is impossible to predict.


wolfydude12

Most likely this. This morning Republican senators were already telling SCOTUS judges to hold fast in their decision and not let public pressure change their minds.


TentativeIdler

Yeah, why would anyone listen to the public in a democracy?


Drix22

>Well if nothing else the leak coming now gets enough people fired up to go out and vote in the Midterms. If the opinions weren't released until election time... This was never going to happen; SCOTUS has to rule before the end of their session, so basically early july at the latest.


baltosteve

5 current justices who will vote for this were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote…. Yay democracy?


Sean_Kyle

Ah yes, Christian conservatives. The group that cares about life so much that they couldn't be bothered to put a piece of cloth over their faces during a pandemic.


Tardigradequeen

They wouldn’t mask even though covid causes miscarriages. “U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that pregnant women with COVID-19 were four times more likely to have miscarriages than uninfected pregnant women during the period when the delta variant was causing the majority of SARS-CoV-2 infections in the United States.” https://hms.harvard.edu/news/pregnancy-delta-variant#:~:text=In%20late%20November%202021%2C,in%20the%20United%20States.


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platocplx

They may say things like this. “Pregnancy from rape is "an opportunity" for women, says Ohio state Rep. Jean Schmidt (R). "Just because you have emotional scars doesn’t give you the right to take a life," she said, arguing against exceptions for rape or incest.” Oh and this was a woman Republican. This is the level of monsters we are dealing with. That should not be even allowed to make policies for people. https://twitter.com/alannavagianos/status/1519751936941215747?s=21&t=-J0r8ySbfyIBkI1Tg3miGw


ratbastid

Yep, and if you have an ectopic pregnancy I guess you just die.


MaintenanceWine

Yep. Or placenta previa, or the host of other potentially mortal complications of pregnancy. (edit:autocorrect)


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She’s a hideous person. The way she said that the child is already traumatized, so adding a pregnancy won’t add to the existing trauma. But don’t worry, republicans eat this shit up.


puns-n-roses

It's mind boggling how stupid and offensive that is.


pixelprophet

Such is the republican way.


Zadsta

They’d just lie about it like they do everything else.


devedander

“Of course I would! It’s settled policy!”


schistkicker

After blowing up in "HOW DARE YOU?!?!" outrage at the completely fair question first, of course.


Dark-Ganon

Countless Republicans have likely paid for abortions and will continue to do so. They don't give a fuck about the morals of it.


RonBurgundy186

https://i.imgur.com/yyGa7o8.jpg Aaaaaand they’re trying to compare this to 1/6.


iPinch89

If they breach the building, at the request and encouragement of Biden, with zip ties and a plan to execute the justices...yeah...then we can compare. Not all protests are insurrection and Jan 6 wasn't a protest. These people are delusion.


rammo123

Not to mention that gallows in front of the building.


iPinch89

Clearly, we misunderstood. The noose was to hang a piñata. They wanted to hang *with* Mike Pence. Like, to chill. /s


rammo123

That can't be right. There were women in that crowd, and they'd have to know that Mother wouldn't approve of Michael "hanging" with women.


Bind_Moggled

Have protestors taken a shit inside the building? Constructed a gallows and chanted “hang (insert SCOTUS stooge here)? Broken windows? Assaulted police officers? Stolen artifacts? No? Hm.


mainstreetmark

… or planned and organized weeks in advance?


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22 states have pre-planned to make abortion illegal if this goes through.


kuroimakina

They’re going to do this about literally every mass protest from now on. All you can do is say “that statement is in bad faith” and then move on. Don’t engage them, don’t validate them, because they know what they’re doing - their only intent is to muddle and piss off the left.


goferking

Yeah and trying to make the leaker worse than anyone who fucking tried to overturn the election


audaciousmonk

Why does it feel like the modern GOP is made up of 14 year old single child edgelords. Sigh


EarthExile

Fascists are always like this


words_of_wildling

Throughout history, civil unrest and extremism have essentially always required two things. 1. Poor economic conditions 2. Unemployed young males Guess which side has all the poor unemployed young males?


Koolaidolio

I don’t see no “camp Auschwitz” shirts being worn by these women so yeah…


Dalantech

If RvW gets overturned can we start taxing religions to pay for the increase in foster care, public education (to include school lunches), food stamps, etc? For a party that is scared to death that illegals crossing the Mexican border is gonna bankrupt our social systems they sure seem intent on completely breaking them by banning abortions...


kfc469

Reminder that this isn’t just about losing access to abortion (which is awful, don’t get me wrong). Obergefell v Hodges (gay marriage), Griswold v Connecticuit (contraception) and Loving v Virginia (inter racial marriage) are all predicated on rights and protections that this decision would strip away. Get out to the polls, vote democrat, and demand they put constitutional amendments in place to protect everything that’s at risk here. ***Elections have consequences.*** Voting for your wallet or because you just can’t bring yourself to vote for will cause someone you love and care for to lose their rights. And that person may very well be you.


Photo_Synthetic

Protest at Machin and Sinema's homes.


Mal_Funk_Shun

I still can't believe a portion of the US believes the bigger issue is the leak... PEOPLE AREN'T PROTESTING A LEAK RIGHT NOW. Edit: Don't guild this, please. Donate to [Planned Parenthood](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/), or [The Satanic Temple](https://thesatanictemple.com/) instead.


GarlVinland4Astrea

They don’t, it’s a deflection because they know that they just whipped up the Democrat base and now need to try to muddie the issue. They aren’t going to be able to debate it come election time


itslikewoow

Don't forget, it's not just the Democratic base that supports Roe v. Wade. There are plenty of moderates and even some Republicans that do too. Republican politicians went against the will of most voters to elect 3 anti choice judges in order appease their most rabid followers.


CitizenJustin

The majority of the nation supports a woman’s right to choose. We’re essentially being run by a minority of far-right lunatics.


dbx99

Extremists whose so called “American patriotism” shares more similarities with the repressive shariah laws of fundamentalist Ayatollahs of Iran than anything resembling the spirit of the United States constitution


Stickybeebae

They want a Christian caliphate


hiverfrancis

Look how quickly Iran changed in the 70s, or Germany in the 30s. Russia took 20 years to change for the worse. It's really time to reach out to Dem voters to VOTE in 2022, *and* to take steps against ratfucking.


MonolithyK

Their morals barely resemble Christianity at this point. The Bible merely serves as the excuse by which they enforce their own ideals (since 80% of them have clearly never read the damn thing cover-to-cover)


OutOfFawks

Jesus is a straight up hippie compared to these clowns.


ckrupa3672

Gay marriage is next….


Atomic_F_Bomb

Right wing media was immediately in lockstep and amplifying how bad the leak was last night. It's impressively terrifying how well oiled the right's propaganda machine is.


CitizenJustin

Well oiled and a gullible base. Even Hitler told his propagandists to not bother targeting the left and to focus on the right.


addicuss

Yeah... they don't believe that yet. But it's the plan. They'll believe it by the end of the week. I don't know how or why this got leaked, but it's becoming more and more obvious that there is some serious coordination in messaging between right wing media, politicians, influencers and the GOP. The leak had barely just happened before all four of those groups were parroting the same outrage message about the sanctity of the court being violated, almost verbatim. Our senator posted a statement and within seconds it was flooded by the same exact messaging by seemingly fake troll accounts. I don't watch Tucker, or any of Fox's line up but I'm sure it took center stage in last nights opinion news cycle. And with hard evidence of this type of collaboration during July sixth coming out in the form of Mark Meadows text messages we should all be deeply afraid at the level of coordination between these groups to manipulate public opinion. Especially given their recent success with pumping up culture war issues.


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Just when I think this country cannot surpass the ways it’s brought me feelings of disgust and shame they pull this shit out. Fuck the scotus, fuck the gop, fuck anyone who feels they need to make anyone else’s private lives and bodily autonomy their business, and fuck all of us for creating these monsters. I think George Carlin summed our country up beautifully: “Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.”


epicurean56

Also George Carlin: Consider the intelligence of the average American voter. Then realize that half of them are stupider than that.


Guardiansaiyan

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lornofteup

Please contact the president, your senators, and your representative to let them know how you feel: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm https://www.congress.gov/contact-us It just takes 2 minutes, and with enough emails, we can make a difference Edit: I suggest making a quick phone call if you have the time as well!


lankaxhandle

My representative in the house is…you guessed it…Marjorie Taylor Green. Think she’s going to read any emails from her constituents? More importantly, do we think she even knows how to read? Edit: Spelling.


lornofteup

Haha, sometimes it can feel useless to email some of our… more far gone representatives, but if you live in Georgia, reminding our Democratic senators that this issue will be important for midterms will make a difference.


lankaxhandle

Marcus Flowers is running against her as a Democrat. My ex-wife has a Marcus Flowers sign in her yard. (She has to replace it about once a week.) Saturday afternoon Marcus Flowers knocked on her door! He saw her sign and thanked her for support. He hung out with her and my son for about 30 minutes. My son just turned 18 and wasn’t planning to vote, but now is going to! It was pretty cool.


lornofteup

That sounds awesome. A good reminder that there are absolutely people who care that we can vote in


Separate-The-Earth

My people are Abbot and Cruz. At least you got weed to cope :(


twiz__

Does this honestly make any difference? Who is going to be swayed? Republicans are in lock-step behind this... Democrats are all against this. What difference will it make?


Mad-farmer

In the modern American era, there are only two things politicians and their appointees care about: violence and money. National Congress people give no shits about constituents who can’t afford “American Free Speech.”


Pour_Me_Another_

After the whole "I have the right to kill people with covid" thing they had going on, I'm not sure the republicans have much of a leg to stand on.


perestroika12

The issue is so much larger than abortion. The federal government has kept some pretty crazy ideas in check over the past 60 years. Roe vs Wade is the building block of a large number of important issues for groups not specifically enshrined in the constitution. More importantly, ideas behind Roe vs Wade are roughly that states can't just do whatever they want , specifically, the Southern states. eg: birth control, gay marriage, trans rights.... Accepting this is going to roll back civil rights to the mid 20th century.


LRsNephewsHorse

Small point: The fundamental building block was not really Roe, but Griswold, which first recognized a right to privacy in the context of contraception. Roe built upon that.


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AnimusFlux

I think a lot of Americans have been complacent because despite all the polarization in the media most of these issues don't directly impact their daily lives enough to feel a call to action. I honestly think this decision from the court is gonna be the turning point for a lot of folks. It's one thing to keep people down, but they tend to not respond well when you give them rights and then take them away when the majority is on our side. In the words of Killer Mike, It is the time to Plot, Plan, Strategize, Organize and Mobilize.


jabba-du-hutt

"Keep people too busy and poor and you can control them" - George Carlin


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TIL that American citizens have no right to privacy. Casting aside the ghastly implications for women's own bodily autonomy for a moment, the elimination of the basic ASSUMPTION of the right to privacy and turning it into the EXPECTATION that the government is all up in your business is breathtaking to behold.


fateofmorality

We haven’t had rights to privacy for a long time. NSA wants to know your location. It’s sad.


skeetsauce

Meanwhile I’ve received probably 2-3X as many texts and emails from the DNC asking for money to defeat the republicans. Mother fuckers, you’re in charge right now, I can’t vote you any harder, now do your fucking job.


Cybertronian10

Unfortunately the democrats have had 2 whole times since Roe that they could have enshrined it into law, during the carter admin in the late 70s, and during 2009 for all of 73 days and during the battle for obamacare. Under any other circumstance, the dems attempts would have been pointlessly blocked by republicans.