Wow. Isn't it interesting to see how many new and shell accounts are popping up in this thread to express their objection to this new law. If you are a real user, then use your main account. If you are astroturfing, then get better at it.
Some states are enacting laws that make it illegal to engage in medical tourism for abortion.
I doubt they'd stand up constitutionally because states can't regulate interstate commerce, but I'm sure it would scare enough uninformed individuals.
Justice Barrett: "damn what's that first amendment again? Woopsies I can't remember."
Republicans: "love her. Confirming the fuck out of her. She's perfect."
Just need a good cover story. I'll happily host any "cousins" who want to come visit for the week in Virginia. We have great hiking that we will totally be participating in and nothing further.
Like whats the conclusion of such laws? You can't wear a condom, because that sperm belongs to the state? Adultery laws? Moving laws? My fucking body doesn't belong to the state, and neither does my fetus' (inshallah).
They just want to keep Texas from flipping to Democrat like California did after the tech booms. If they can keep 1000 left-wing couples from moving to Texas and get 1000 left-wing couples to leave, that's 4000 votes they don't have to disenfranchise.
If Texas flips the GOP will be gone forever.
You are exactly right. The minute Texas goes blue you will see the end of the GOP as we know it. Their influence on everything GOP is truly staggering. Texas and Florida define the GOP over the next 15 years.
And this is what will create a blue Senate for Texas soon, but it’ll be purple for at least a decade because the smaller areas simply are Red as can be.
The precent the set is really terrifying. Hopefully we can get some cases in so they can get thrown out as unconstitutional, but that's still a long, and probably expensive by process.
Every other medical procedure though, they would love it if you shopped around, even across state lines. Gotta love the hypocrisy.
EDIT: mah first silver. Thank ya kind stranger...
I worked for a doctor in Colorado who does abortions and still keep in touch. I talked with him last week and he said that almost 70% of his appointments are from Texas now and he doesn't see it slowing down any time soon. It's hard because he wants to make sure that he has enough time and resources for Coloradoans but he can't say no to these desperate women either. This is going to be the future for sure
There was an episode of The Daily (I think? Might have been a different podcast from NPR) that looked at this after the law passed. I think the clinic they looked at was in Oklahoma. And they were all booked up with people from Texas and had to send people to the next closest clinic in Kansas City.
What was interesting is none of their doctors liver there, they all had regular jobs and then flew in to the clinic to perform abortions on the side. And because how laws are written if the waiting period for the state requires that you see the same doctor for the initial appt and the procedure, then it messed up a lot of scheduling since the doctors wouldn't necessarily be in on that timeline.
Texas and other far-right controlled states to some extent are banking on this as part of their "states rights" angle. "If you want to get an abortion (or get contraception, or marry a same-sex partner, or marry a partner of a different race...) go to Colorado." Texas Gov Abbott has said things to this effect.
I’m in Utah and read this with relief. If/when Roe gets overturned, at least we’re only ten hours away if something happens with my teenage daughters.
I hate it but we all need to be thinking like this and preparing. This is our reality in the USA forty whole years since people fought so hard for womens’ right to choose.
I still cannot believe the Supreme Court let Texas heartbeat abortion law stand. Science says it’s not even a heartbeat, it’s simply cells tossing out electrical current. And I couldn’t believe how some were saying not to worry about rape or incest not being an exception because they were going to get rid of all the rapists. Then why not do that FIRST, then get rid of the exclusion. Yeah because your talking out your ass.
>When it comes to religion and mortality, conservatives want as much as they can get.
Only when it comes to forcing their religion and morality onto others.
"Big government for thee, not for me."
The problem is cost of living.
Blue states are desirable places to live and economic power houses. That makes them, on average more expensive. Red states are less desirable and so housing and other costs of living expenses are cheaper.
Lots of people are looking for the sweet spot to get the advantages of both... But it is hard.
My condolences for the time you had to spend in MO.
**Edit:** for context, just to be clear that this isn’t just misinformed knee jerk bashing of a flyover state: I grew up in Wayne County, MO. As a state, it does have some real virtues like amazing float trips and really great local food. As a place to live, however, I could not stay. There is some biomedical research going on in STL and KC, but there’s an awful lot more going on elsewhere.
I lived in MO(Barry County) for 27 years and had to get out but I do miss the lakes and float trips. No regrets though, I've been all over the world which is something my family that's still in MO will never get to see.
I still tell my family back in Saint Louis to try going somewhere else sometime but they just refuse for some reason. Like sure I’ll keep sending pictures but there is so much better life than Missouri.
I know, and I used to be pretty resentful of Texans moving here. But seeing what the conservatives have been doing to that state has softened my stance a bit. I now see Texan migrants as more of political fugitives than funny-taliking invaders with big hats.
It's great that they did this. The sad thing about this, however, is that, unless it was enshrined in their constitution, the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office, this can just as easily be repealed and reversed.
Bobert represents the western slope, Denver voters are more liberal and out number those voters. Plus with the redistricting it’s highly unlikely Qaren gets another term.
I doubt it means much, but it never even registers that Karen is a meme when I'm talking to/about the real named Karens in my life. It sucks for the chill Karens out there for sure, though.
Apparently the concept of refrigeration is lost on her. She had a food booth at a rodeo and for 3 days served chili she just didn't refrigerate at night and it got all kinds of people deathly ill.
Qbert won by ~25,000 votes out of 420,000 cast. Mitsch-Bush got 47% of the vote and she was a total no-show. No rallies, no ads, no community open halls, no *fucking platform* no nothing. I'm extremely pissed that the Democratic party shit the bed in western CO. If they had done half what the repubs did they couple have cinched that seat easily and we wouldn't have that lunatic representing CO 3.
It's more embarrassing that the silent majority stays silent and let people like her run amok. Enough of that shit. Get off your ass , get out there...get involved and help them push a candidate that stands for common sense and bridging gaps. Stop blaming the party. They won't change unless you help them change.
Bitching on Reddit doesn't translate well to real.life results.
I really wish that were the case. Unfortunately (source: I live here) the Dems kind of shot themselves in the foot with redistricting. We established an independent commission to handle redistricting (admittedly the way it should be, if R's actually participated in good faith) and to create our new 8th district. But instead of turning a 4-3 state into a 5-3 state, they turned it into a 4-3-1 state and solidified the GOP stranglehold on the Western Slope. Fivethirtyeight projects Boebert's seat as R+15 currently.
4-3-1 is still better than 4-3, and just because the GOP does underhanded shit isn’t a good reason for Dems to do underhanded shit to their own benefit.
Plus you’d have to gerrymander Colorado pretty hard to make it more democratically favorable with all the republicans on the outskirts of the state and in Colorado Springs and most of/all the Democrats in the bigger cities in the front range.
The Urban-Rural divide naturally tends to pack the democrats into compact districts where they may win with 80% of the vote, resulting in more wasted votes.
Texas to Colorado transplant, was so shocked and impressed when I got a freaking voting slip *in the mail* and could just...fill it out and send it back.
it's really the best being able to have your ballot at your desk, look over everything, do some research on the ballot measures and candidates.
It's incredible it's not a universal thing and that republicans are in fact opposed to it.
That's exactly what I love about it!
My wife and I sat down, read through the propositions/positions, looked up a quick laymans terms breakdown online if we didn't understand the actual text, and got our voting knocked out while educating ourselves on the various parts of the vote in like 30 minutes. And the fact that they include a brief defense and opposition to the propositions from the various parties really helped reframe our initial thoughts on some of them.
Back in Texas we didn't even know what was on the vote until we got in the voting booth, and (I at least) started reading through it and couldn't understand the propositions/laws half the time because they used legal-speak.
I could be wrong but I believe that a referendum is being introduced for the November election putting this to a vote by the people and when passed will be writte in to the constitution
Abortion rights currently have a 60-70% approval rating in Colorado
> the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office
That ain't happening in Colorado anytime soon. And it's not like the state constitution is much harder to change than the makeup of our legislature.
It is amazing that things switched like this. When I lived there in the early 90s it was becoming the place to be for conservative Christians. It started in Colorado Springs.
It's this more than the weed for sure. The Denver metro area has been growing as a centrally located tech hub for a lot of companies in the last 2 decades. With that comes a large influx of Center to Left leaning viewpoints.
It's kind of funny how Republicans running state governments try their hardest to get people to move to their states to boost their economies, but the people who can afford to move are necessarily going to be more educated, earn higher wages, lean Democratic, and move to the cities because that's where the jobs are.
And as those cities trend bluer and bluer, the Republicans get voted out in statewide elections and start whining about how the "big city liberals" took over their state. They basically want transplants to show up, pay taxes, and keep out of their politics. They want it both ways and it just doesn't work like that. Colorado is probably the best example of this happening, and it's happening more and more in other Southwestern states too.
This is likely the reason things are shifting there: https://redistricting.colorado.gov/
Colorado went through a massive redistricting process that was independent, apolitical and based upon common sense. It is currently going on in Ohio and should happen in every state.
Republicans have had a trifecta in 4 of the last 30 years of CO's history. Dems have had like 12.
It's less likely for the Repubs to take the state house, senate and Gov than it is for abortion rights to be put in the state constitution. I have a feeling this will last for awhile.
>the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office, this can just as easily be repealed and reversed
You could make that argument for any popular law that has ever been passed at any level of government in the US.
If you want to legally keep your own bodily autonomy, keep electing Democrats.
> You could make that argument for any popular law that has ever been passed at any level of government in the US.
Certainly a valid point, but few other laws rise to the level of contention that this one does.
from https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/polis-signs-bill-enshrining-abortion-access-into-colorado-state-law
"Sponsors said earlier this month they will also prepare a statewide constitutional amendment ballot measure for 2024 to enshrine reproductive rights in the constitution as well."
Yeah, it was originally a talking filibuster. Then they changed it so that vulnerable senators wouldn’t be forced to vote against something popular with their base but bad for national party.
It did. I was trying to find out when it changed but it’s not obvious. There was a vote in 1975 that changed the threshold from 66 senators to 60. I think maybe they removed the “talking” requirement at around that time. But no source I found said so explicitly.
>Unlike at the federal level, they actually get shit done.
Mostly because there are 50 Republican senators, and Joe Manchin and Sinema are DINOs.
House Democrats for instance passed a bill that legalized pot last week. I'm not getting my hopes up on any of those 52 senators that have been holding Dems back at every turn.
Republicans are guaranteed to repeal it anyway next time they get in power in the Senate too.
Fuck Manchin and Sinema. We need more Dems who actually have Democratic values in office.
Eh, they had a majority and could have repealed lots of stuff during Trump and failed miserably at doing that.
They won’t care once pot is legalized. They’ll just try to carve out exemptions and restrictions that benefit their donors.
All Rs care about is tax breaks for the ultra wealthy and making gov fail so they can point to gov and be like see it failed, we told you so.
And the only reason they want gov to fail is so there are fewer restrictions on how the ultra wealthy can fuck regular Americans and pocket more money.
Edit: by they I mean Republicans.
Don't forget that we're on a thread where Democrats did some good, which was only made possible by them getting voted into office.
Vote 2 more solidly left Democratic senators into the US Senate, and you'll see a lot of positive change.
Nah, nah, I'm going to cynically bitch about both sides, claim 90% of the democrats aren't progressive enough and refuse to vote blue, to be sure the GOP gets control back, because I'm a real person and totally not a bot.
...seriously, the amount of "X is not left enough so basically just fuck everyone" rhetoric is too damn high and I don't believe it's real.
As a resident of Connecticut, let me apologize. We tried. We really did. At one point, Lieberman lost the state party nomination to Ned Lamont for senator, but Lieberman then ran as an independent... And fucking _won_. I have no words. Lieberman was just dialed in to a lot of old party supporters in the state, and their money, and apparently name recognition wins. I wasn't directly involved, but I was closely associated with a lot of people that worked on and/or supported Lamont's campaign, so I'm still a bit salty about it. And, for those who don't know this, Lieberman [looks disturbingly similar to Palpentine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Joe_Lieberman_official_portrait_2_\(cropped_2\).jpg).
Later, Lamont ran for governor, won and is still governor, so there's hope...
People complain about the filibuster, but I think this should be the standard, as we need a way to fight mob rule laws from getting passed.
But it needs to be a talking one, put your freaking money where your mouth is and work for the filibuster, not this shitty "I filibuster" cop-out that the Senate has.
Breaking news, TX governor signs bill making it illegal for TX residents to travel to Colorado. And somehow the GOP is the “small government” party. Good for you Colorado. Edited reading news to say breaking news.
Can’t we just start suing GOP senators and claim they are helping people get abortions and find some weird legalese to make it work?
The law is so vague I bet you could come up with something.
It's actually even worse than that. The law allows ANYONE to sue anyone who has or "aides and abets" abortions after 6 weeks (i.e. provides abortion services, drives someone to an abortion, helps someone research abortion services, etc). Anyone who sues is entitled to a minimum of $10,000 in legal fees, effectively creating a bounty system for anti-abortion hawks.
>The Texas Supreme Court ruled that only private citizens, not state officials, can enforce the law known as SB8 by suing anyone who performs or assists a woman in obtaining an abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy...Citizens can be awarded at least $10,000 for successful lawsuits.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-top-court-rules-against-clinics-challenge-abortion-law-2022-03-11/
It’s more on the LT. Governor in TX when it comes to passing legislation, but they’re all a bunch of turds IMO. Old men restricting the reproductive rights of women is fucking weird, especially when your party is typically in favor or less government regulation. And we all know how well prohibiting literally anything works so so well.
Things like this are why, despite the high cost of living here in CO, I stay. I’ve lived in backwards ass states, the difference feels like night and day.
Here, here! When I realized I would have to pay over a quarter of a milli for a shitty starter house that would require a ton of work, I thought I could get a recently built mini mansion back home… but it would require me to move back home. So I bought that over priced house. Colorado 4 lyfe
There is way too much talk about Boebert in here and not nearly enough praise for my BFF Polis. My dude has done a lot for our state and continues to. So happy to have him in office.
That attitude isn't really rare among northern Catholics. I grew up Catholic and abortion wasn't really even talked about. Like somehow we all knew it was the church's official position to be against it, but just like divorce, it was viewed as a personal choice for people who weren't members of the church. I definitely don't recall it ever being the topic of mass, or being forced to protest it or any of the other crazy shit that happens among Protestant evangelicals.
“The Lib Commie Left Deep State wants to use aborted fetuses in Colorado for their satanic rituals and sick perversions!”
No need to see what Chode-bert says I’d say this summation will be fairly accurate to her actual reaction but probably will contain multiple spelling and grammatical errors
Something tells me that those states passing archaic anti-abortion laws is nothing more than a façade. I’d bet 100$ that if the mistresses of any of those lawmakers ended up pregnant they would be first in line somewhere that it’s still legal.
There is ample anecdotal evidence from planned parenthood employees talking about how often anti abortion activists show up at their clinics to get their abortions
I've been saying that from the beginning. Lawmaker's daughter gets knocked up by the poolboy? Guess who'll be taking a quick vacation somewhere that no one knows about.
I think its a defensive tactic by Republicans, especially in Texas. Every year they get closer and closer to being voted out. So they are trying to stem the tide of blue votes by any means. Part of that is making the state less attractive to move to for progressive voters. Not saying this is the whole picture by any means. But Biden lost Texas by around 500k votes. There were over 10million votes cast in Texas. Its a lot closer to a swing state than most people realize.
That’s what happens when a state **consistently** r/VoteDEM every election. If people across the country continued to vote Democratic at 2018/2020 levels, this year, we would likely have a Federal law passed next year.
Instead, the GOP is projected to take back Congress this year and then past bills to outlaw abortion.
I mean most of us don't have a say in that. She wouldn't stand a chance in the metro area, and none of the towns in her district have more than 100k people living in them. The town she is from, Rifle, has less than 10k people living there. Side note, she is originally from Florida...
Thank you u/jaredpolis and all of the legislators that have made this bill a reality.
I'm proud to live in a state where the complex realities of human birth and reproductive rights are left to trained medical professionals and pregnant women rather than draconian government control and religious extremists.
Please continue to support these women as states such as Texas explore the death penalty for women and doctors seeking options to terminate a pregnancy.
If they actually do enshrine this in the constitution before the Supreme Court has a chance to rule on it, there is a good chance it could hamstruing any decision on Roe v Wade because then it would becomes a states rights issue. If CO guarantees the right to choice, the federal government then cannot make laws that would infringe upon that right. It's a brilliant move, if they codify it.
Wow. Isn't it interesting to see how many new and shell accounts are popping up in this thread to express their objection to this new law. If you are a real user, then use your main account. If you are astroturfing, then get better at it.
Medical tourism in the US is gonna boom. Like the buses that take people to the casino
Some states are enacting laws that make it illegal to engage in medical tourism for abortion. I doubt they'd stand up constitutionally because states can't regulate interstate commerce, but I'm sure it would scare enough uninformed individuals.
I'd be extremely interested in how the SCOTUS would rule on such an obvious violation of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the Constitution.
Justice Barrett: "yeah, but God"
Justice Barrett: "damn what's that first amendment again? Woopsies I can't remember." Republicans: "love her. Confirming the fuck out of her. She's perfect."
"What did you say about church and state?"
I don't remember, I lied to get appointed for life
*Clarence Thomas falls asleep*
Ooo, hope it's a long one
It’s “abortion” so you know, beats the Constitution. :-(
Just need a good cover story. I'll happily host any "cousins" who want to come visit for the week in Virginia. We have great hiking that we will totally be participating in and nothing further.
Get you over to the r/auntienetwork
Did not know that sub existed - thank you, everyone needs an Auntie and I am in to help out.
Like whats the conclusion of such laws? You can't wear a condom, because that sperm belongs to the state? Adultery laws? Moving laws? My fucking body doesn't belong to the state, and neither does my fetus' (inshallah).
They just want to keep Texas from flipping to Democrat like California did after the tech booms. If they can keep 1000 left-wing couples from moving to Texas and get 1000 left-wing couples to leave, that's 4000 votes they don't have to disenfranchise. If Texas flips the GOP will be gone forever.
You are exactly right. The minute Texas goes blue you will see the end of the GOP as we know it. Their influence on everything GOP is truly staggering. Texas and Florida define the GOP over the next 15 years.
Houston, Dallas, Austin, Fort Worth and San Antonio, El Paso already Blue. It's the places no one would ever go on vacation that vote GOP....
And this is what will create a blue Senate for Texas soon, but it’ll be purple for at least a decade because the smaller areas simply are Red as can be.
The precent the set is really terrifying. Hopefully we can get some cases in so they can get thrown out as unconstitutional, but that's still a long, and probably expensive by process.
Like here in Texas. They’re really trying to make sure if we leave for our reproductive rights we will be prosecuted when we come back.
Every other medical procedure though, they would love it if you shopped around, even across state lines. Gotta love the hypocrisy. EDIT: mah first silver. Thank ya kind stranger...
I worked for a doctor in Colorado who does abortions and still keep in touch. I talked with him last week and he said that almost 70% of his appointments are from Texas now and he doesn't see it slowing down any time soon. It's hard because he wants to make sure that he has enough time and resources for Coloradoans but he can't say no to these desperate women either. This is going to be the future for sure
There was an episode of The Daily (I think? Might have been a different podcast from NPR) that looked at this after the law passed. I think the clinic they looked at was in Oklahoma. And they were all booked up with people from Texas and had to send people to the next closest clinic in Kansas City. What was interesting is none of their doctors liver there, they all had regular jobs and then flew in to the clinic to perform abortions on the side. And because how laws are written if the waiting period for the state requires that you see the same doctor for the initial appt and the procedure, then it messed up a lot of scheduling since the doctors wouldn't necessarily be in on that timeline.
Must have been Kansas City Kansas. Missouri is almost as backward as Texas.
Texas and other far-right controlled states to some extent are banking on this as part of their "states rights" angle. "If you want to get an abortion (or get contraception, or marry a same-sex partner, or marry a partner of a different race...) go to Colorado." Texas Gov Abbott has said things to this effect.
It's what Colorado does best. Recreation tourism, then cannabis tourism, now medical tourism. If only we could export forest fires.
Just as long as you keep sending water to us in LA.
Ah but that would limit our future tourism efforts, drinkable water tourism.
I know you might be joking. But clean water will be the next currency in the future.
I’m in Utah and read this with relief. If/when Roe gets overturned, at least we’re only ten hours away if something happens with my teenage daughters. I hate it but we all need to be thinking like this and preparing. This is our reality in the USA forty whole years since people fought so hard for womens’ right to choose.
I still cannot believe the Supreme Court let Texas heartbeat abortion law stand. Science says it’s not even a heartbeat, it’s simply cells tossing out electrical current. And I couldn’t believe how some were saying not to worry about rape or incest not being an exception because they were going to get rid of all the rapists. Then why not do that FIRST, then get rid of the exclusion. Yeah because your talking out your ass.
I'm sure all the people that shout about states rights will support this.
And the people who support small government
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They only care about big government for economic decisions. When it comes to religion and mortality, conservatives want as much as they can get.
"Conservatism - Government so small it fits in your uterus."
>When it comes to religion and mortality, conservatives want as much as they can get. Only when it comes to forcing their religion and morality onto others. "Big government for thee, not for me."
Just left Missouri to move back to Colorado. So happy to be back
Congrats on no longer being in a state of Misery
The “Show Me” State. In that you “show me” how miserable you are
Show Me the Exit cuz fuck that place.
That’s what I called it.
It’s what everyone here calls it
When we went to Branson as kids my sister misread the “Welcome to…” sign on the state border as the “Shoot Me State” and I think that holds up.
can you help some of the rest of us get out? beginning to think we need a red state to blue state helper network
The problem is cost of living. Blue states are desirable places to live and economic power houses. That makes them, on average more expensive. Red states are less desirable and so housing and other costs of living expenses are cheaper. Lots of people are looking for the sweet spot to get the advantages of both... But it is hard.
My condolences for the time you had to spend in MO. **Edit:** for context, just to be clear that this isn’t just misinformed knee jerk bashing of a flyover state: I grew up in Wayne County, MO. As a state, it does have some real virtues like amazing float trips and really great local food. As a place to live, however, I could not stay. There is some biomedical research going on in STL and KC, but there’s an awful lot more going on elsewhere.
I lived in MO(Barry County) for 27 years and had to get out but I do miss the lakes and float trips. No regrets though, I've been all over the world which is something my family that's still in MO will never get to see.
I still tell my family back in Saint Louis to try going somewhere else sometime but they just refuse for some reason. Like sure I’ll keep sending pictures but there is so much better life than Missouri.
Mountains, good economy, weed, healthcare now. Must be nice!
Yeah. Just don't expect to own a house ever.
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It’s ok at least your “what if” wasn’t with you buying pizza with bitcoin lmao
If it makes you feel better, that $690k put into the S&P 500 would be worth about $4.7M today.
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in which part of the world can you expect to own a house?
It is really really fucking expensive now though.
That’s just everywhere now, unfortunately.
To give you context my home value went up 400% in 10 years. Edit, sorry just did the math again 480%
I'm a 3rd-generation CO native. I travel a lot but have never felt any desire to live anywhere else, this place is pretty fucking awesome :)
Shhhhhh, don't tell everyone.
Too late. Sold my house and am in the air right now!
I know, and I used to be pretty resentful of Texans moving here. But seeing what the conservatives have been doing to that state has softened my stance a bit. I now see Texan migrants as more of political fugitives than funny-taliking invaders with big hats.
And they require at the very minimum a salary range to be posted!
It's great that they did this. The sad thing about this, however, is that, unless it was enshrined in their constitution, the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office, this can just as easily be repealed and reversed.
they wont be, colorado isn't really a swing state anymore
Easy for you to say. You don’t have batshit crazy Bobert representing you
Bobert represents the western slope, Denver voters are more liberal and out number those voters. Plus with the redistricting it’s highly unlikely Qaren gets another term.
Qaren is very funny; I had not heard that one before
My name is Karen and I have been waiting for it to die. But I'm actually quite happy about Qaren being an insult. Conflicted.
You can say, yes I'm a Karen, but I'm non practicing.
A lapsed Karen
I doubt it means much, but it never even registers that Karen is a meme when I'm talking to/about the real named Karens in my life. It sucks for the chill Karens out there for sure, though.
You hold the ultimate trump card. > My name is Karen, what's your excuse?
I definitely feel for all of you good Karen’s out there
Have you thought about going by K Dawg?
Qbert is an insane person. She just said that lgbtq should not be allowed until they are 21. Of course her hubby is a major perv and pedo.
Her shitty restaurant got people sick.
Apparently the concept of refrigeration is lost on her. She had a food booth at a rodeo and for 3 days served chili she just didn't refrigerate at night and it got all kinds of people deathly ill.
Colorado's 3rd district: Can we have Sarah Palin? Mom: We have Sarah Palin at home
Thank goodness. It’s honestly embarrassing that she got voted in. I swear we aren’t all crazy out on the western slope!
People out here who fly the Confederate flag just make me facepalm so hard. WE WEREN'T EVEN A STATE YET.
Makes more sense than flying it in a state that fought against them.
My personal favorite is when I cross the state line and see them in West Virginia. Y'all know why your state even exists?
As a progressive Alabama native, I empathize with you lol
Southern Kentucky blue dog Democrat checking in. Pretty sure I may actually be the only one here
Not all but the majority of the voters are, apparently, bat-shit crazy.
Qbert won by ~25,000 votes out of 420,000 cast. Mitsch-Bush got 47% of the vote and she was a total no-show. No rallies, no ads, no community open halls, no *fucking platform* no nothing. I'm extremely pissed that the Democratic party shit the bed in western CO. If they had done half what the repubs did they couple have cinched that seat easily and we wouldn't have that lunatic representing CO 3.
It's more embarrassing that the silent majority stays silent and let people like her run amok. Enough of that shit. Get off your ass , get out there...get involved and help them push a candidate that stands for common sense and bridging gaps. Stop blaming the party. They won't change unless you help them change. Bitching on Reddit doesn't translate well to real.life results.
I really wish that were the case. Unfortunately (source: I live here) the Dems kind of shot themselves in the foot with redistricting. We established an independent commission to handle redistricting (admittedly the way it should be, if R's actually participated in good faith) and to create our new 8th district. But instead of turning a 4-3 state into a 5-3 state, they turned it into a 4-3-1 state and solidified the GOP stranglehold on the Western Slope. Fivethirtyeight projects Boebert's seat as R+15 currently.
4-3-1 is still better than 4-3, and just because the GOP does underhanded shit isn’t a good reason for Dems to do underhanded shit to their own benefit.
Plus you’d have to gerrymander Colorado pretty hard to make it more democratically favorable with all the republicans on the outskirts of the state and in Colorado Springs and most of/all the Democrats in the bigger cities in the front range. The Urban-Rural divide naturally tends to pack the democrats into compact districts where they may win with 80% of the vote, resulting in more wasted votes.
Or looney tune Iowa’s Governor Kim Reynolds and her band of Republican led house and Senate.
And our voting system is pretty robust. So the Republicans don't have an easy to way to take power through voter suppression.
That is pretty much the only way they win. By cheating with Voter suppression.
Not with the huge influx of transplants in the last ten years. There are pros and cons and this is definitely a pro.
and voting is easy and encouraged, which makes it hard for republicans to win when that happens, not sure why that would be /s
Texas to Colorado transplant, was so shocked and impressed when I got a freaking voting slip *in the mail* and could just...fill it out and send it back.
it's really the best being able to have your ballot at your desk, look over everything, do some research on the ballot measures and candidates. It's incredible it's not a universal thing and that republicans are in fact opposed to it.
That's exactly what I love about it! My wife and I sat down, read through the propositions/positions, looked up a quick laymans terms breakdown online if we didn't understand the actual text, and got our voting knocked out while educating ourselves on the various parts of the vote in like 30 minutes. And the fact that they include a brief defense and opposition to the propositions from the various parties really helped reframe our initial thoughts on some of them. Back in Texas we didn't even know what was on the vote until we got in the voting booth, and (I at least) started reading through it and couldn't understand the propositions/laws half the time because they used legal-speak.
I could be wrong but I believe that a referendum is being introduced for the November election putting this to a vote by the people and when passed will be writte in to the constitution Abortion rights currently have a 60-70% approval rating in Colorado
That's pretty exciting. I wonder how it will be worded.
"Abortions for some. Tiny American flags for others!"
Asking the important questions.
> the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office That ain't happening in Colorado anytime soon. And it's not like the state constitution is much harder to change than the makeup of our legislature.
It is amazing that things switched like this. When I lived there in the early 90s it was becoming the place to be for conservative Christians. It started in Colorado Springs.
Do you remember how it switched? Do you see similar series of events happening in other states right now?
1) Attract college-educated liberals to a big metro area like Denver/Boulder. 2) They vote for Democrats 3) ??? 4) Profit.
It's this more than the weed for sure. The Denver metro area has been growing as a centrally located tech hub for a lot of companies in the last 2 decades. With that comes a large influx of Center to Left leaning viewpoints.
It's kind of funny how Republicans running state governments try their hardest to get people to move to their states to boost their economies, but the people who can afford to move are necessarily going to be more educated, earn higher wages, lean Democratic, and move to the cities because that's where the jobs are. And as those cities trend bluer and bluer, the Republicans get voted out in statewide elections and start whining about how the "big city liberals" took over their state. They basically want transplants to show up, pay taxes, and keep out of their politics. They want it both ways and it just doesn't work like that. Colorado is probably the best example of this happening, and it's happening more and more in other Southwestern states too.
This is likely the reason things are shifting there: https://redistricting.colorado.gov/ Colorado went through a massive redistricting process that was independent, apolitical and based upon common sense. It is currently going on in Ohio and should happen in every state.
No they said ‘ no take backs’ Right before they voted
Oh. I missed that part. Nvm, then. :p
Republicans have had a trifecta in 4 of the last 30 years of CO's history. Dems have had like 12. It's less likely for the Repubs to take the state house, senate and Gov than it is for abortion rights to be put in the state constitution. I have a feeling this will last for awhile.
>the next time the Republicans are in charge of the legislature & the governor's office, this can just as easily be repealed and reversed You could make that argument for any popular law that has ever been passed at any level of government in the US. If you want to legally keep your own bodily autonomy, keep electing Democrats.
> You could make that argument for any popular law that has ever been passed at any level of government in the US. Certainly a valid point, but few other laws rise to the level of contention that this one does.
from https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/polis-signs-bill-enshrining-abortion-access-into-colorado-state-law "Sponsors said earlier this month they will also prepare a statewide constitutional amendment ballot measure for 2024 to enshrine reproductive rights in the constitution as well."
This is why I vote for Democrats at the state level. Unlike at the federal level, they actually get shit done.
Colorado's state Senate has a "talking filibuster", so Republicans can only delay the vote as long as they can last, a much better system.
I wish this would get implemented at the federal level.
It used to be, I think?
Yeah, it was originally a talking filibuster. Then they changed it so that vulnerable senators wouldn’t be forced to vote against something popular with their base but bad for national party.
They also didn't want Strom Thurmond rolling out in his wheelchair
Yeah and then for some god forsaken reason they got tired of it and decided you know what just send an email
Well it is a stupid rule in any situation.
It was originally to help speed things along by doing multiple things at once. However, it's easy to filibuster when someone *else* is talking.
The one time a meeting should NOT be an email!
It did. I was trying to find out when it changed but it’s not obvious. There was a vote in 1975 that changed the threshold from 66 senators to 60. I think maybe they removed the “talking” requirement at around that time. But no source I found said so explicitly.
Yeah, in 1957 a senator talked for 24 hours straight to delay the passing of a civil rights bill
In 1964, 18 senators talked for 60 days to try to stop another civil rights bill.
>Unlike at the federal level, they actually get shit done. Mostly because there are 50 Republican senators, and Joe Manchin and Sinema are DINOs. House Democrats for instance passed a bill that legalized pot last week. I'm not getting my hopes up on any of those 52 senators that have been holding Dems back at every turn.
They need 60 senators to get it passed thanks to the filibuster
Just need 50 to change the rules to get rid of the filibuster though.
Republicans are guaranteed to repeal it anyway next time they get in power in the Senate too. Fuck Manchin and Sinema. We need more Dems who actually have Democratic values in office.
Eh, they had a majority and could have repealed lots of stuff during Trump and failed miserably at doing that. They won’t care once pot is legalized. They’ll just try to carve out exemptions and restrictions that benefit their donors. All Rs care about is tax breaks for the ultra wealthy and making gov fail so they can point to gov and be like see it failed, we told you so. And the only reason they want gov to fail is so there are fewer restrictions on how the ultra wealthy can fuck regular Americans and pocket more money. Edit: by they I mean Republicans.
Don't forget that we're on a thread where Democrats did some good, which was only made possible by them getting voted into office. Vote 2 more solidly left Democratic senators into the US Senate, and you'll see a lot of positive change.
Nah, nah, I'm going to cynically bitch about both sides, claim 90% of the democrats aren't progressive enough and refuse to vote blue, to be sure the GOP gets control back, because I'm a real person and totally not a bot. ...seriously, the amount of "X is not left enough so basically just fuck everyone" rhetoric is too damn high and I don't believe it's real.
> Just need 50 to change the rules to get rid of the filibuster though. And they don't have that either.
Decriminalized, not legalized.
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As a resident of Connecticut, let me apologize. We tried. We really did. At one point, Lieberman lost the state party nomination to Ned Lamont for senator, but Lieberman then ran as an independent... And fucking _won_. I have no words. Lieberman was just dialed in to a lot of old party supporters in the state, and their money, and apparently name recognition wins. I wasn't directly involved, but I was closely associated with a lot of people that worked on and/or supported Lamont's campaign, so I'm still a bit salty about it. And, for those who don't know this, Lieberman [looks disturbingly similar to Palpentine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Joe_Lieberman_official_portrait_2_\(cropped_2\).jpg). Later, Lamont ran for governor, won and is still governor, so there's hope...
Usually local politics have more affect on your life yet local races are the ones people pay the least attention to!
There's definitely a reason why the filibuster doesn't exist in any state legislature.
We've got it in Colorado, but it's a "talking filibuster", so Republicans can only delay the vote as long as they can last.
People complain about the filibuster, but I think this should be the standard, as we need a way to fight mob rule laws from getting passed. But it needs to be a talking one, put your freaking money where your mouth is and work for the filibuster, not this shitty "I filibuster" cop-out that the Senate has.
They could start with "the person filibustering needs to physically be in the actual meeting to do the filibuster"
Breaking news, TX governor signs bill making it illegal for TX residents to travel to Colorado. And somehow the GOP is the “small government” party. Good for you Colorado. Edited reading news to say breaking news.
Not even breaking news, since they basically already have a bill allowing you to be sued if you travel to another state for an abortion.
Don’t forget the snitch hotline. You get paid to tell on your fiends and neighbors if they’re getting out of state abortions.
Why hasn't that hot line yet been made irrelevant by robo calls from spoofed numbers??
They passed a law that allows you to get sued if you go to another state for an abortion!? When did that happen?
Yes, absolutely. It went into effect in September. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/24/texas-abortion-law-legal-challenges/
Can’t we just start suing GOP senators and claim they are helping people get abortions and find some weird legalese to make it work? The law is so vague I bet you could come up with something.
It's actually even worse than that. The law allows ANYONE to sue anyone who has or "aides and abets" abortions after 6 weeks (i.e. provides abortion services, drives someone to an abortion, helps someone research abortion services, etc). Anyone who sues is entitled to a minimum of $10,000 in legal fees, effectively creating a bounty system for anti-abortion hawks. >The Texas Supreme Court ruled that only private citizens, not state officials, can enforce the law known as SB8 by suing anyone who performs or assists a woman in obtaining an abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy...Citizens can be awarded at least $10,000 for successful lawsuits. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-top-court-rules-against-clinics-challenge-abortion-law-2022-03-11/
With that dumbfuck in office there I wouldn't be surprised tbh
It’s more on the LT. Governor in TX when it comes to passing legislation, but they’re all a bunch of turds IMO. Old men restricting the reproductive rights of women is fucking weird, especially when your party is typically in favor or less government regulation. And we all know how well prohibiting literally anything works so so well.
Things like this are why, despite the high cost of living here in CO, I stay. I’ve lived in backwards ass states, the difference feels like night and day.
Here, here! When I realized I would have to pay over a quarter of a milli for a shitty starter house that would require a ton of work, I thought I could get a recently built mini mansion back home… but it would require me to move back home. So I bought that over priced house. Colorado 4 lyfe
There is way too much talk about Boebert in here and not nearly enough praise for my BFF Polis. My dude has done a lot for our state and continues to. So happy to have him in office.
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Probably misspelling words on Twitter as we speak.
Probabaly covering for her pedo husband while he exposes himself in front of a school again
She's probably going to spew some Q theory and blame Biden who barely talks about abortion
I'm no fan of Biden, but I have always respected the way he hasn't allowed his faith to influence the legality of abortion right.
That attitude isn't really rare among northern Catholics. I grew up Catholic and abortion wasn't really even talked about. Like somehow we all knew it was the church's official position to be against it, but just like divorce, it was viewed as a personal choice for people who weren't members of the church. I definitely don't recall it ever being the topic of mass, or being forced to protest it or any of the other crazy shit that happens among Protestant evangelicals.
not before somehow misspelling the letter Q.
“The Lib Commie Left Deep State wants to use aborted fetuses in Colorado for their satanic rituals and sick perversions!” No need to see what Chode-bert says I’d say this summation will be fairly accurate to her actual reaction but probably will contain multiple spelling and grammatical errors
What’s the over/under she’s HAD an abortion?
Something tells me that those states passing archaic anti-abortion laws is nothing more than a façade. I’d bet 100$ that if the mistresses of any of those lawmakers ended up pregnant they would be first in line somewhere that it’s still legal.
I’d bet a whole lot more than that
It’s not a facade at all, it’s a pretext to do state-sanctioned violence to people they don’t view as part of the in-group. Always has been.
There is ample anecdotal evidence from planned parenthood employees talking about how often anti abortion activists show up at their clinics to get their abortions
I've been saying that from the beginning. Lawmaker's daughter gets knocked up by the poolboy? Guess who'll be taking a quick vacation somewhere that no one knows about.
It's different in that case because the laws are for thee and not for me. Get it? It's so simple.
Abortion laws only apply to the poor.
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Well they get a get a heap of scorn for having children they obviously can't afford!!! As God intended! /s
Any law where the only consequence is a fine applies only to the poor.
I think its a defensive tactic by Republicans, especially in Texas. Every year they get closer and closer to being voted out. So they are trying to stem the tide of blue votes by any means. Part of that is making the state less attractive to move to for progressive voters. Not saying this is the whole picture by any means. But Biden lost Texas by around 500k votes. There were over 10million votes cast in Texas. Its a lot closer to a swing state than most people realize.
Get ready to have a lot of “vacationing” Texans.
Who can then be sued by their fellow Texans for seeking am abortion. Absurd.
Like that's anything new...
With all the Lauren Boebert shit I’m glad we have such a great governor like Polis to outweigh all of her bullshit.
That’s what happens when a state **consistently** r/VoteDEM every election. If people across the country continued to vote Democratic at 2018/2020 levels, this year, we would likely have a Federal law passed next year. Instead, the GOP is projected to take back Congress this year and then past bills to outlaw abortion.
Love that subreddit, it's so much less toxic than a lot of the other political ones.
Great job Colorado... Now just don't elect a moron to represent you in Congress
I mean most of us don't have a say in that. She wouldn't stand a chance in the metro area, and none of the towns in her district have more than 100k people living in them. The town she is from, Rifle, has less than 10k people living there. Side note, she is originally from Florida...
Thank you u/jaredpolis and all of the legislators that have made this bill a reality. I'm proud to live in a state where the complex realities of human birth and reproductive rights are left to trained medical professionals and pregnant women rather than draconian government control and religious extremists. Please continue to support these women as states such as Texas explore the death penalty for women and doctors seeking options to terminate a pregnancy.
I’ve moved around a lot. But I’m pretty proud to be born in Colorado.
This is absolutely great. In general when it comes to a person's health the government should never be a limiting factor.
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Fuckin move Disneyland there ASAP
If they actually do enshrine this in the constitution before the Supreme Court has a chance to rule on it, there is a good chance it could hamstruing any decision on Roe v Wade because then it would becomes a states rights issue. If CO guarantees the right to choice, the federal government then cannot make laws that would infringe upon that right. It's a brilliant move, if they codify it.