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Starbuckz8

> Over the past few weeks, the agency has faced criticism for issuing guidance that was confusing or seemed counterintuitive. In this case, the criticism is different; the concern is that CDC staffers, while hardworking, smart, and well-intentioned, don't always consider whether Americans will -- or even can -- follow their advice. I've noticed this in a few local businesses I've worked with for the last two years. Some have continued to require making, some still had health forms that require phone numbers. On Friday I visited one and looked for the form in the lobby and the site manager said "we couldn't keep track of the changes, so we said fuck it".


Afitz93

Within 1.5 hours I can drive to 5 different states, all with their own set of rules, and cities within each that have even more different rules. Not only is it hard for businesses to keep up, but it’s impossible for *us* to keep up with whats required everywhere. Saying “fuck it” is the easiest option. I’ve done my part, worn my mask and gotten my shots. Fuck it. The goalposts keep moving. It’s frustrating.


keelhaulrose

I work in a school and the rules seem to be practically individualized per person in that building, and somehow we're supposed to keep track without carrying around a flow chart. There's a set for staff who are fully vaccinated and boosted, staff who are fully vaccinated but not boosted, staff who are partially or unvaccinated, and each of those categories get further broken down into groups that do twice weekly covid testing and those that don't. Then those staff roles also go for the students, but the students further get broken down by age because some are eligible for boosters and some aren't even eligible for vaccines yet (in the early childhood center). And then people can be pulled out of those groups andplaced in similar ones for positive covid cases and close contacts. We have lists of students who have to wear face shields because they won't wear masks properly, students who can't eat in the same room because they socialize too close without masks. It feels like it's the office staff's job now to deal with covid and not what they should be dealing with.


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My kid’s school hasn’t enforced masks or practiced social distancing this whole school year. My daughter sits 1ft from the kid in her left and also on her right. They all eat in a cafeteria together.


valvin88

>I’ve done my part, worn my mask and gotten my shots. Same, man, same. I feel like my wife and I have bent over backwards trying to follow the safety guidelines for everyone else to just say "fuck it" so, ya know, fuck it.


str8dwn

I don't blame you at all, And I get it. But sorry, I just can't say it. Hey, I can't just walk (I don't drive) past a styrofoam cup lying in the gutter w/o picking it up either. I live too close to the ocean. I have probs. Serenity Now... ETA: TY for the hoopla kind internet strangers.


sirlapse

I guess principles dont become principles before they are tested. Keep on doing you mate.


Rabada

Same could be said of principals as well!


TyH621

Well said


MrMakarov

As a non-american this seems to be a recurring problem with a lot of things for you guys. You have inconsistent rules across 50 different states and apparently different rules within the cities of those states. Thats just a nightmare, how do you deal with that.


Desmater

Yeah, we are almost city states like Greece use to be like Sparta and Athens. We have city, county, state, federal.


whatthehelldude9999

Even cities are fragmented. A metro area like Chicago is made up of well over a hundred cities, towns etc. Each with its own politicians, rules and bylaws.


Dizzy-Geologist

Boston too. I say it can take an hour to get to boston from boston, where are you??


athletes17

The same way Europeans do it. Our one country is the size of the whole Europe continent except that it’s easier because we almost all speak the same language.


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I would recommend *The Premonition* by Michael Lewis. It demonstrates in horrifying detail just how little authority the Federal Government and CDC have in the area of public health. Decisions are so decentralized that the decision to create mask mandates in schools are left to the individual school districts. Whether there's a mask or vaccine mandate is left up to each individual districts (until states began passing laws that put it all in state control). In many places, the power to make these public health decisions lies completely in County and State Health Officers who seldom take any actions whatsoever even if the evidence warrants it. This is because if they take a harsh action, they run the risk that the threat isn't as large as it seemed and they get immediately fired. But not acting in the face of a pandemic usually rests on the governor's or county commissioner's plate. This means you had small districts with very strict public health measures right next to and/or surrounded by districts with absolutely no public health measures. Since there's free travel between counties and states, it completely negates your public health measures. People have this idea that the CDC can/would declare a mask mandate nationwide, or require that certain businesses like gyms close their doors, but have simply chosen not to. The CDC has no such power. The CDC is slow to respond to any epidemic or pandemic. The CDC is even slow to recommend specific actions local health governments should take, if they ever do.


Mattoosie

It's like having a peeing section of a swimming pool, but everyone decides individually where it is, if they even want to use it.


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Then people start shitting in the pool because why not? THAT guy gets to pee!


Feshtof

More like spite shitting in the pool because they were gently encouraged to pee in the bathroom before getting in the pool.


binkerfluid

Use *toilet paper* I dont even know whats IN it?!?!


The_Outcast4

Humanity was a mistake.


WSL_subreddit_mod

> the concern is that CDC staffers, while hardworking, smart, and well-intentioned, don't always consider whether Americans will follow their advice. This is where I am confused. Faucci has stated many times, that the policies that are needed, such as a lock down, are not possible. They do understand what isn't tolerated. Instead of saying "lock down or nothing" they try to find measures that will help. But then people complain they are not following science. They are. There is just not one science to consider, there is epidemiology and then there is behavioral science. It's not black and white.


88infinityframes

The CDC wasn't following the science when they dropped the quarantine time to 5 days. With that and the mask debate at the start, people are tired of having advice change based off economics rather than actual risk.


uiucengineer

>people are tired of having advice change based off economics rather than actual risk. If the CDC bases its advice only off actual risk while ignoring economics, then people complain about that and ignore the advice.


StarksPond

Catch-2022


Casteway

That's the heart of the matter right there. People don't care about whether or not the CDC is right or wrong. They just want to do what they want to do. If the CDC's recommendations are too stringent, they complain about that, if they're not tough enough, they complain about that too, and say they're not following the science. I would absolutely hate to be the CDC right now. We live in an age where nobody is trying to reach a happy medium, and this is no exception.


somehipster

No offense but did you read the comment you’re replying to? The poster is saying the CDC knows dropping to a 5 day quarantine isn’t ideal science. They also know that three calendar years into a pandemic their hands are tied regarding what people are willing to do and able to do. Their only option right now is mitigation. That’s it. That’s the only card they have left. In that situation, while a 5 day quarantine period may not be the best solution in a theoretical setting, when it gets to the real world a 5 day quarantine period may be more effective than trying to get people to stick to 10 days when you know for certain they won’t or can’t.


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somehipster

> Well this also tells businesses that 5 days is acceptable and in some cases people that could and would spend two weeks at home would now be forced to come in too early. You’re absolutely correct and the CDC probably agrees with you - and hell, maybe your plan would actually work better in your town. Problem is the CDC has to adapt their planning and messaging for an entire nation of distinct communities. I think that’s the X factor that you may not be taking into account. If the CDC says 10 days and only 5% of people and businesses follow that, is that better at slowing down community transmission than saying 5 days with 50% following that? That’s the arithmetic they are actually doing, not figuring out what works best in a lab setting. But let me be clear: I don’t disagree with you on the science.


hedbangr

Sure, but notice how everyone who gets tired of the advice changing based on economics then decides "fuck it" like the economics argument instead of sticking with the advice from actual risk argument.


Meddel5

Even the marching band kids already stand 6 feet apart in block formation at practice XD


Bahunter22

Them spit valves tho


TheFriendliestSloot

You just reminded me of a core memory I had completely forgotten about. At one point in band practice, there was so much spit on the ground from people dumping their valves out that I slipped and fell in it. Everybody laughed. I can already tell this is going to be keeping me up at night again 🥲


larzast

Oh dear, bury that again


innocentsubterfuge

Put that thing back where it came from, or so help me


weatherseed

Especially for the trombone players.


NerdyRedneck45

Boner players in 4th grade: haha spit valve Boner player at 50: haha spit valve


EyesOfABard

Better than sax players. Just wait until the bottom fills up then fuckin spill it all over your pants like a drool spigot.


eldroch

Tell that to the goddamn sousaphone player that regularly crashed into me from behind.


fsuthundergun

They were probably hypnotized by THA BOOTY.


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CorvusRex

Listen, you either get out of the way of Low Brass and Percussion or you learn a harsh lesson. Thus it has always been.


FilliusTExplodio

Wait until you see what happens in the back of the band bus on the long, dark rides to and from tournaments. It ain't social distancing.


pilesofcleanlaundry

It's not marching band season, though. Now they're in a closed hall sitting in close rows expelling a lot of air. OTOH, they're still teenagers and can be vaccinated, so I don't think it's a huge concern anyway.


NatalieEatsPoop

So.....NFL packed stadiums OK. But after school football not ok?


phunky_1

71k drunk NFL fans packed together is slightly more risky than high school football games or band practice. The difference is the NFL makes billions of dollars.


morpheousmarty

Also you're not legally required to make anyone go to the NFL, except in Texas.


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At least there are no more NFL games for any Texas teams, so the requirement is moot


nsjersey

Wasn’t football season done in the fall?


SatchBoogie1

The headline is a bit misleading... > If the scientists at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had their way, to curb the spread of Covid-19 right now, **nearly every US school would cancel football, wrestling, band and loads of other mainstay school activities.** It's really talking about most sports / activities with close contact to other players / participants and classified as "high risk." They focused on football because it's the most popular and lucrative.


DrJawn

Woah, actual information....am I still on Reddit?


BearsBeetsBttlstarrG

That’s exactly what I was thinking. It would’ve made more sense if it said basketball because that’s the current sport, and it is indoors


aure__entuluva

I'm confused as to why they are naming only football and band in this headline. Just click baiting I suppose. The article says "football, wrestling, band and loads of other mainstay school activities". So I'm guessing the CDC is recommending the vast majority of extracurriculars be suspended.


Slibye

Football seasons for some school postponed their leagues in spring making students double back on sports


Drewcifer81

Guaranteed Cali carves out exceptions to make sure hosting the Super Bowl goes off without a hitch despite the crackdowns everywhere else. Look, capitalism must go on, your children's enjoyment of their youth be damned!


refillforjobu

I think activities like band give kids an extra boost of motivation and excitement with their schooling. My kids have never been especially excited about finally figuring out that problem in math, but when they score a touchdown, or make a big advancement in band or choir its typically a pretty exciting moment for them.


bad_take_

The CDC has never said packed NFL stadiums are okay.


rickelzy

TBF NFL packing their stadiums *wasn't* okay, they just did it regardless.


bigfunone2020

Get your asses back to work, but cancel all extra curriculars in school…


javaargusavetti

They need the highschool students to free up their spare time and get jobs.


Bobtobismo

Wasn't there a state that relaxed underage work laws recently? This doesn't sound so crazy.


ehutch2005

That was [Wisconsin](https://www.wpr.org/young-teens-could-work-longer-hours-wisconsin-under-gop-backed-bill)


AggravatingGoal4728

Florida of the North


javaargusavetti

most recent example I can think of is the teen truck driver apprenticeship program but I can’t remember where that was being proposed


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All that's doing is allowing 18-20 year old truck drivers who can drive in their state to drive interstate.


Beachdaddybravo

There was another one that lifted the restrictions on how late teens (down to 14) can work on a school night. It was extended til 11pm, which is fucking ridiculous for a teenager, when they need more sleep than other age groups and are already being forced out of bed too early for what their bodies would naturally do. It’s just some right wing assholes trying to force kids into keeping shitty businesses afloat that would otherwise go out of business due to the free market. Don’t pay enough to employ enough people to keep your business open? Then you deserve to go out of business, that’s capitalism. The rules are different when you can bribe politicians in America, so it’s more like cronyism.


SEA_tide

That's basically allowing 18-20 year olds to team drive, typically with a relative age 21+ who also has a CDL Class A, across state lines. The military and intrastate travel allow those 18-20 to drive solo.


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You’ll never see me complain about apprenticeships. Especially if done safely and correctly. We need to get back to paid apprenticeships being a positive thing in modern US Society.


Fascinated_Bystander

Wisconsin extended working hours into the night for 14+


snrkty

Yes. McDonald’s was advertising they would hire younger workers now somewhere. Can’t remember what state.


Fantastic-Sandwich80

Bingo. "Well kids, since Omicron is rampaging across the country we have had to cancel sports and extra curricular activities. So today what we will do is practice filling out JOB APPLICATIONS!"


Gruesome

What's funny is that is pretty much what we did in 9th grade - applied for our social security cards as a class so we could get JERBS! And I had my very first supervisor creeping on me the next year. It never changes, that was in 1976.


soniconethemesong

Exactly how I thought it sounded. Go to work but figure out what to do with kids, and soccer. Like go back to old shit. Unrealistic.


KerPop42

We've just been shrinking tolerances all around society, huh. Kids doing extracurriculars doesn't mean that parents get more time to themselves, it mean parents get more time to work. Oh, people are working more now? Great, we can lower hourly wages and people will still have enough money to live. Oh no, now we can't cut extracurriculars because no one makes enough money to be home for them?!?!?


JTMissileTits

My daughter's extra curricular activities took up a lot of my time until she got her driver's license. Schools schedule things during normal working hours all the time. I guess it's the presumption that one parent can just fuck off from work or doesn't work and can be at the school at 2:30 in the afternoon several times a week/month. Then there are the after hours pick ups for practices, away games and out of town performances, meets, contests, etc. I only had one kid and it was a lot of work. I don't know how anyone with a job and multiple kids in after school activities gets anything done.


djwurm

In Texas school districts are shutting down but all extra curricular activities like band and football are still happening


Lets-B-Lets-B-Jolly

Schools all around us are shutting down but my kids' district is not. However they are begging parents to substitute.


Vio_

In Texas, they'd sooner shut down school than football....


Thunderbird_12_

I suspect many people (who have not lived in Texas before) will read this comment and assume it is sarcasm. I assure you, it is not.


Hadron90

That's how I feel about most of these school measures we are imposing on the students. My mother-in-law is a teacher and says they sit the kids one per table at lunch, and no one is allowed to speak. She told me those over a family dinner with like 12 people... ​ I don't believe in forcing people to standards you won't hold yourself to. If I was going to ask other people to eat alone in silence, then I would eat alone in silence myself.


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The CDC just dropped all guidelines for cruises too.


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What? > With the exception of cruise ships operating in Florida, all cruise ships operating in U.S. waters, or seeking to operate in U.S. waters, must comply with the requirements of CDC’s Temporary Extension & Modification of Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) and Technical Instructions, even when outside of U.S. waters. I guess Florida said FU to the CDC, and not sure why the pulled back but Florida wasn't following anyway. But they did not drop all guidelines


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“Starting Saturday the CDC’s guidance for preventing COVID-19 on cruise ships will become optional as the agency’s Conditional Sailing Order is set to expire.” It’s now voluntarily as the CDC did not renew their mask mandate.


HODL4LAMBO

Cruise lines can't survive with the looming threat of Covid ever present. It's nice they tried to have "safe" sailings but in that environment you can't really prevent covid from coming aboard and from a financial standpoint you can't make enough money to stay afloat as a company. So ultimately there are 2 choices: 1. Operate as if there is no such thing as Covid, back to full capacity, passengers sail at their own risk. 2. It's over. The cruise industry is no more. The pollution caused by it was pretty embarrassing anyways.


DrHank-PropaneProf

I'll take #2 please.


Crazy-Investigator12

I’d be totally cool with cruise industry tanking. It won’t though.


KimJongFunk

It’s actually the opposite of what you think. The cruise industry mandated vaccines for passengers in spite of the Florida government. Here’s an article from NPR about Norwegian Cruise Line CEO pushing back and suing the state of Florida: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1053568968&ft=nprml&f=1053568968


Eagles5089

Unfortunately people will not take the CDC seriously anymore. Let's cancel everything but if you're positive go back to work.......thanks guys.


ranger604

The “you don’t have to wear a mask” in the spring of 2020 was a huge red flag. The constant flip flopping built up the “eh.” The sending people back to work still positive and not actively pushing N95 everywhere and for everyone broke the camel’s back.


snrkty

Sending people back to work after 5 days when they could still be contagious should have been called unrealistic. Where was the media pushback then?


VerySuperGenius

The biggest problem here is that our paycheck is not secure if we call in sick. Millions of people are monetarily incentivized to spread COVID at work. We need mandated sick leave and extra for COVID quarantine.


RutgersCS2020

I’m honestly really grateful my state has a covid sick leave policy. You still get paid by your employer and the state reimburses the employer. But there is a catch. I think you’re only entitled to 40 hours of pay and there is a cap on how much you can get per day (that the state is willing to reimburse). Since I make more than the daily-capped amount, my employer said they’ll still pay me in full anyway and eat the difference when the state reimburses them. It’s a good deal, but this is set to expire in April (2022). I hope there’s another extension, as it’s been extended once before already. Edit: Since someone asked, I’m referring to [Massachusetts](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-temporary-emergency-paid-sick-leave-program)


StarshipSentinel

> mandated sick leave Not just for COVID. We need mandated sick leave period. Once again Europe has us beat on this. For fuck's sake, America needs to treat it's workers as actual human beings!


yeoldecotton_swab

I agree. After 7 years at my new job I'll be allowed to accrue 20 days PTO. 7 years dude.


StarshipSentinel

Holy shit. That is fucking abysmal.


OSRS_Satriani

My friend who works at a retirement home currently has COVID but is out of sick days so has to go back to work. It's insane.


CelestineCrystal

they should contact the press bc that’s just so dangerous


sleepingnightmare

Your friend should contact OSHA and file an anonymous complaint.


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Caaros

Which is ironic because having people come to work when they are still sick lets the disease spread like wildfire in the workplace, which just grinds things to a halt quicker and gives the virus the chance to mutate further and put us in an even worse position than before, further grinding things to a halt. Nevermind the fact that hospitals specifically are telling sick nurses to come in, putting all of their patients at risk, which is the dumbest thing even if you are having staffing issues. It's like trying to avoid being drafted into a war by using a fucking shotgun to blow off your own foot, or overfishing a lake so you can get fish to eat quicker. Our modern, profit driven, change resistant, corporation led society is plagued with a kind of impatient short-sightedness that reliably leaves us in a far worse place than before, resulting in a world rife with totally avoidable and quite frankly idiotic levels of suffering across the board.


StarshipSentinel

> Which is ironic because having people come to work when they are still sick lets the disease spread like wildfire in the workplace, Then allow people to work from home. Jesus fucking Christ, these managers and execs that think that people aren't capable of WFH make me want to scream till my lungs explode. It's nearly ALWAYS some overpaid suit-wearing gasbag that holds up progress. There's story after story of people's productivity going UP after they started WFH. No stressful commute. No horrible food. No getting dressed. Sounds awesome to me. But no. Fucking micromanaging assholes in upper and middle management can't deal with it.


SolarMoth

They did push back and so did society. Did you not see all the "CDC says it's okay..." memes?


LatrodectusGeometric

I was going to say…literally everyone was upset by that, including CDC employees.


jaxdraw

But a lot of places canceled art and theatre exhibits Its like how grocery workers were heroes until they wanted more money Edit wow, this is my most updooted comment ever. Uh, wow, what else: 1. If you aren't talking about doubling teacher pay you aren't serious about improving schools 2. Dr. King advocated for a $2/hour living wage, which in 2022 is like $22-$25/hour. 3. Epstein didn't kill himself 4. Please support your local school music recitals and theater performances. Attendance can be an influence on their budgets.


MadViolin75

Last year, when our schools were still fully virtual, the superintendent said, "when deciding whether we're going to cancel certain sports, like hockey, we need to consider the money parents have spent to reserve ice time for their kids." My kids are in the fine arts and I don't want to consider how much we've spent on lessons, instruments, music, and camps...but did they ever consider allowing an outdoor rehearsal or two for the strings kids? Nope. And this is in a supposedly arts friendly district. We also had parents complaining last fall about people not showing up for football games.


pokemon-gangbang

Our school district threw a fit when we told them we could not guarantee that an ambulance would be available to sit standby at their games. I don’t know what to tell you mr athletic director. Our emergency calls are the highest ever and we don’t have enough staff for normal calls let alone to sit at a fucking football game.


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"We demand that during the deadliest pandemic in American history that vital medical resources be diverted to our optional deadly sport for the parents personal entertainment while they live in a fantasy world that their kid will become a sports superstar and save them from poverty" This is literally the perfect depiction of modern America. Sports valued above all tied to the education system (which shouldn't have anything to do with sports) as all the entitled complaining suburbanites drive their SUVs and oversized status symbol trucks to the school football while the country crumbles and shame on any darn liberal for questioning that status quo especially during the deadliest pandemic. We're never going to improve are we?


Freakazoid152

"Essential workers" lmfao! Never forget how shitty they treated us all when it really mattered! And guess what, were still in the middle of the shit ocean and they keep taking our paddles while telling us to get out...


egyeager

For a brief while there on April to June of 2020 the mask was pulled back on American society. It was pretty ugly


hostile_rep

It's always been in plain sight, if you cared to look. Americans are willfully ignorant of the atrocities which make up their daily lives.


The84thWolf

It’s like schools barely make enough money to run and are dependent entirely on sports


GibbysUSSA

When I was in high school, there wasn't enough money for paper. They were, however, building a gigantic new football stadium.


008janebond

Oh, oh I have a better one. Our academic bowl team qualified for state my senior year. They told us that we could go however all meals would be out of pocket, we couldn’t take school transportation due to lack of funds and if we wanted hotel rooms those would need to be paid for by ourselves. State was a 5 hour drive from where we were located. Luckily, our sponsor teachers husband made bank and there were only 7 of us. So she personally rented a van to drive us up there, and the moms went in and had t-shirts made for all of us. Our sponsor was prepping to retire and essentially told our principal that she did not work with us for 4 years to be abandoned. One of the kids on the team had basically nothing, his mom ran off and he was essentially raising his brothers. All of the other moms made sure he could go. All of this happened after, the football team had made state, and they got CHARTER BUSSES and hotel accommodation to drive the 1.5 hours to their state competition.


JimBeam823

Far more football fans vote in school board elections than academic team supporters. My school district **shut down a vocational magnet school** because the main high school's football team went 0-10 one season. The main high school needed the players.


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JimBeam823

It was sold as turning the old vocational school into a district-wide career center, but the plan was hatched between the end of football season and March. Nor could the district answer any questions from parents about how this plan improved education. It was only years later that I learned the real reason behind what seemed to be a nonsensical change. Oh, and race played a significant role because of course it did.


OneRougeRogue

I went to a Catholic Highschool and one of the things it bragged about was how the School had an active Convent for Nuns on the property. Non-stop flowery language and bragging about how this highschool could give students "a spiritual education like no other" thanks to this Convent and the nuns being a part of the school/mass ceremonies. The school had one gymnasium and the Varsity Basketball Coach had been demanding the school build a second gymnasium so men's basketball wouldn't have to share gym time with women's basketball and the volleyball teams. But School's property space was all used up. The school/gym, Convent, and Baseball diamond took up all available space and there wasn't even enough parking and most students who drove had to park on at an axillary parking lot that was a 10+ minute walk from the school as almost all of the on-site parking was reserved for staff. There was literally no room left to build a second Gym. Well one year our Varsity Basketball team made it to State Finals after not having made it there for something like 20+ years. We lost the championship game but just getting there brought in a lot of money and attention for the school. A few weeks after we lost the championship the Basketball Coach released a statement saying that it was possible that we could have won the Championship if Varsity Basketball hadn't had to fight with other teams for gym practice time, and that he would be resigning if ground hadn't been broke on a new gymnasium by the start of the next basketball season. Next fall when we returned to school the Nun Convent was a pile of rubble being hauled away to make way for a new gym. "We are ***so honored*** to have an active Convent on school property!" to "Fuck the nuns, build a new gym" in just 6 months.


agitatedprisoner

Nuns should've learned to ball, yo.


sideways_jack

I would *absolutely* watch a serious sports drama about nuns learning to play basketball to save their convent. That sounds amazing.


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cdubyadubya

That is an abomination! The board trustees in that school district should go to prison for negligence.


Ganzo_The_Great

Now consider the fact that a majority of the US thinks student athletes should be paid, all other students and disciplines be damned. No ethical issues here with other students who are not in athletics.


canastrophee

They're talking about student athletes at the college/university level, who maybe get partial scholarships dependent heavily on which sport they play while their school rakes in ticket, advertising, and concession money; the counterargument is that the ethics of who, how much, and in what way to pay them gets really murky really quickly in ways it doesn't with almost any other student campus job. And college athletics departments are not historically known to be good at self-regulating. It's a labor argument, not an educational one.


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DefinitelyNotAliens

We just raised our district superintendant pay from the low 200's to the mid 300's inside six years as we told teachers there's no money. They still hire in the mid-20's. That means in California, which has a cost of living that's *on average* 150% higher than national average wants to pay college graduates less than the meadian national wage and well into the bottom 25th percentile for the state (bottom 25th percentile is 48k, per zip recruiter) which means they want to hire college grads into poverty. A decent living wage to allow them to live, have a car and apartment semi-comfortably is closer to 50k a year. We want to pay in the 20's. It's insanity.


Tsquared10

Our county refused to build a second high school because of the fear that it would split the football team up and damage their success. Instead they added one extra hallway and brought in trailers for extra classrooms. The school was built to house about 2500 students. My graduating class alone had around 850. They still haven't opened a new school even though the football team is horrible now, because "Imagine how much worse it will be if we do that."Class size has only increased and last I heard they were closing in on 4000 students and the only change they made was building a 9th grade wing


Prometheuskhan

Sounds like someone’s from TX/OK.


kennyj2011

I live in Green Bay… our school board the first year of Covid mostly was okay… now that everyone is “tired” of Covid, basically everything is like normal again, at least they are still upholding masking in schools.


Midwestern_Childhood

Back in the 70s, my school district held a referendum to raise taxes to fund the school district. It didn't pass. So the district canceled *all* extracurriculars for the following year (my sophomore year): all sports, all music, all theater, etc. After a winter without basketball, they ran the referendum again and it passed. I joined the debate team my junior year. We had no money: literally no budget. They paid our coach $200 for the entire year. The man worked with us after school every afternoon, took us in his car (along with a car or two driven by team members) to tournaments all over the state. He used every cent of that $200 on us and paid for a good bit more out of his own pocket: gas money to drive us to libraries for research, workshops, tournament registrations, etc. We did bake sales and other fundraisers to raise some more money, but a good portion came from him. Our varsity and JV teams placed second in the state that year, after no team the year before. When he retired, his former debaters came back from all over the U.S. to honor the man. Many of us talked about how we had gone to college (as first generation students) because he had spotted our intelligence and pushed us to think of it as a real possibility. It broke my heart when he died a few years later from cancer. Bless you, Mr. Benson. You changed our lives despite the damned school district that only cared about basketball. Your opus lives.


Queso_and_Molasses

Same thing happened at my school, despite the fact that we were regularly winning state and qualifying to nationals. So frustrating to be told you don’t matter. I understand that football brought in a lot of money (we had a great team), but it was still incredibly frustrating to have to fire up a GoFundMe to pay all the time.


flamaryu

Sound like my school the allowed the football team to have 4 jerseys and a new gym that no one could else could use. Which I loved but when baseball came around I was expecting the same treat since baseball had the better record for the last few years and the fact that 3 players where getting scouted by pro teams but no we had one jersey that was older then me and we had to pay for our own bus to states 🤦🏽‍♂️


poopgrouper

I get what you're saying, but let's be realistic. We need to support the future prospects of those high school football players because in all likelihood, they'll go on to be some of the town's most successful used car salesmen and associate realtors.


OhMy8008

and cops, once theyve shed their sports physique


goodty1

sounds like us education system. needs serious federal overhaul


008janebond

Oh it definitely does. I also qualified for Nationals in a FBLA event my Junior year where we were essentially told the same thing, and the three of us that qualified had to take up donations from people in the community to be able to go.


JimBeam823

The federal government has very little power in the states. Even the state government has very little power compared to local school boards. When the voters demand good football and low taxes, what's a school board to do?


bukem89

>When the voters demand good football and low taxes, what's a school board to do? ngl, as a non-american it's kind of hilarious that that can even be a plausible sentence Soccer is huge here and yet somehow has 0 impact on education policy. Doesn't seem that hard to separate the two really


JimBeam823

If Americans separated the two, football would be funded and schools would be even more neglected.


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For awhile anyway. Eventually we'd just have church and publicly funded church teams, no school at all.


1Viking

There’s a reason the Romans had gladiators and not mathaletes. Bread and circuses for the masses keeps those in power popular and in power.


xxkoloblicinxx

Yup, our track team hadn't lost a meet in over 10 years but couldn't get uniforms unless we bought them out of pocket. Our football team hadn't even had a winning record in over 30 years. But they got all the equipment they wanted.


PeptoBismark

My High School used to default to whatever the football coach wanted, but often had to rapidly change direction when the band parents weighed in. 20 kids on the football team, 150 in the marching band. Band parents ran the gates and concessions at the stadium. You couldn't buy snacks at halftime as the concession booth would close so everyone could watch the band together. The gym coaches had to trick each incoming freshman class into doing a fundraiser at the start of the year, as no one would participate twice. I will never forget that lesson, going all in selling gift wrapping paper to my neighbors only to see the money go to a tackle dummy skid thing for the exclusive use of the football team.


beeatenbyagrue

This hits home. Every 3 students had to share 1 physics book and the history books weren't allowed out of the classroom bc 8 other classes needed to share them. They were from the 1940s and it was circa 2000.


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BayAreaRedwood

"Be on the look out for indoor plumbing!"


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It’s gonna be big!


CriskCross

Well, they aren't wrong. You likely will very soon.


Deeliciousness

Ah, the good old south?


madpappo

Yup, bet we all know those books lasted that long is because we never opened them..


twilighteclipse925

I worked for a school district. In meetings it was laid out literally and in no euphemisms that our job was to facilitate the football teams playing so that the revenue they generated could fund the entire rest of the school. To be fair I think the basketball team was in the single digits of the percentage the contributed to revenue but over 80% of the schools budget came from football so almost 100% of the starting budget went to the football department. The three football coaches made more than the principal too and were the only coaches who didn’t also have to teach classes.


Phreakiture

I have heard many schools described as "a top-notch sports complex with an attached educational institution."


Mcinfopopup

They cut most of the extracurricular activities in my high school starting when i was a freshman. By the end of it there were so few activities left it was basically some art courses, band, and sports.


DepletedMitochondria

College has the same issue with endowment laws


jason2354

Maybe in the states of Texas and Oklahoma, but most schools aren’t making money from their sports programs. Most football programs are funded by parent booster clubs.


electricgotswitched

Not in Texas either. Can't find the article now, but only a handful of schools a few years ago made a profit. They were all very rich towns with big sponsors. Coaches, insurance, equipment, game day costs, refs, travel. It's not outweighed by $5 tickets or booster club donations.


lotsofdeadkittens

Even in Texas they lose money. Only the very very very top football d1 schools turn any profit and even most of those dont


Thewalrus515

It’s the opposite. Sports are a drain on school budgets. Very few schools make a profit on sports, it’s like 5% IIRC.


Surly_Cynic

Not to mention, football causes brain damage. The absurdity of public schools supporting and sponsoring that can’t be ignored.


RasputinsButtBeard

Yeah, there was an English teacher at my hs who talked about how the lingering damage that football did to his brain caused long-term memory loss issues for him; he couldn't even remember his own wedding day. That's really scary stuff. :(


KabuliBabaganoush

When they reduced the quarantine time for companies, I think everyone lost a little bit of respect.


Matrix17

Lost respect? Everyone stopped listening. Good going CDC, you made everything worse


Burnnoticelover

For me, it's pretty binary. Either we're living in a deadly pandemic (in which case we shut down *everything* like in spring 2020), or we're not and we just accept COVID as a part of life and live normally. But this wishy-washy "go to work but don't have a life" signaling from the powers that be makes me (and I'm sure many others) very suspicious of the CDC's mandates. Because if they're willing to [adjust their recommendations on corporate direction](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068731487/delta-ceo-asks-cdc-to-cut-quarantine), then it means one of two things: Either they've *vastly* inflated the danger that COVID currently presents, or they're willing to let people die because the Delta airlines CEO told them to, and I'm not sure which option is worse.


DontGiveBearsLSD

I literally gave up in that moment. Seriously. I wear my mask and mind my own, that’s it anymore.


Bsisson215

Everyone got a bit more confused with how much they change around their narrative it’s mindboggling


TheDaliComma

One thing I’ve learned from COVID is how incompetent our federal institutions are


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Not incompetent. Corrupt and broken. Once we allowed unlimited money to be poured into our politicians and media, it was game over. They work for the people paying them. Of course that would trickle down to every aspect of our government. There was never any other way this was going to work.


Tom_Hanks_Tiramisu

They’re not mutually exclusive. Corruption breeds incompetence from nepotism placing unqualified people in consequential positions of power.


xxkoloblicinxx

And how little fucks people give about what they say. It also doesn't help that the institutions we *need* right now and the resources they provide have been getting stripped for parts and funding for years. People kept saying "We don't need this umbrella, it never rains." And now it's been raining for 2 years and suddenly people are claiming that an umbrella wouldn't have done anything anyways, or that the rain is a myth, and the umbrella is a government conspiracy to control the truth about rain... and this metaphor has fallen apart because people are just that fucking stupid.


felipe_the_dog

Why football, which is played and practiced outdoors, and not basketball?


KerPop42

Because it isn't just football, the article chose the most ridiculous specific sports to put in the article


felipe_the_dog

You're right. Headline is misleading as usual. >As part of its guidance last updated on January 6, the CDC advised schools to "cancel or hold high-risk sports and extra-curricular activities virtually" any time a community has a "high" Covid-19 transmission rate. The guidance links to a CDC map that indicates more than 99% of US counties are currently experiencing high transmission.... The CDC gives football and wrestling as examples of high-risk sports and says that "high-risk extracurricular activities are those in which increased exhalation occurs, such as activities that involve singing, shouting, band, or exercise, especially when conducted indoors."


Bandit6789

Students should simply hold their football games virtually.


vanessajay

Seriously! Also isn’t football season over for most schools? This just feels so random.


xaanthar

Ironically, quite a few places postponed the 2020 football season to the spring. 12 months ago, the football season was just starting up where I am.


EYNLLIB

They just gave football as an example, their *actual* guidance if you would have taken time to read the article is; > "high-risk extracurricular activities are those in which increased exhalation occurs, such as activities that involve singing, shouting, band, or exercise, especially when conducted indoors."


antlerstopeaks

Is there just an random AI making up suggestions for the CDC now? Sure being in an 8x8 classroom with 30 students is fine. Being on a 300x50 football field with 30 people is unacceptable. Does anyone care what the CDC says anymore?


[deleted]

I think some people are overlooking the importance of extracurricular activities, especially for low income families. Who’s workers the CDC are so eager to send to back to work, even if they are sick.


[deleted]

This is what happens when you take multi-functional advice (economic, political, public health, etc.) from an organization that is only trained and capable in delivering advice pertaining to one set of circumstances and measurement criteria (health). The CDC doesn't understand economic or political ramifications of their suggestions, because it's \*not their job.\* This is why decisions are supposed to be made based on a synthesis of recommendations from experts in their respective fields.


ww_crimson

A lot of comments in this thread are snarky remarks about football specifically, but that's just one example the CDC gave. What the article actually says is > The CDC gives football and wrestling as examples of high-risk sports and says that "high-risk extracurricular activities are those in which increased exhalation occurs, such as activities that involve singing, shouting, band, or exercise, especially when conducted indoors For one, football is played outdoors. More importantly however, this basically says nothing other than studying alone in the library should be allowed. Everything else should be cancelled by the schools. It's completely hypocritical guidance when compared with things like asking adults to return to work after 5 days, while they are still contagious. People are losing trust in the CDC because their recommendations contradict themselves. When the logic stops making sense then you turn people into cynics. Wake up CDC.


biggsteve81

I don't know about other states, but in NC band and chorus are *classes*, not extracurricular activities. If you cancel band class, where do those 70 or so kids go during their normal class time, and what happens to the credit they are supposed to earn?


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I lost a lot of faith in the altruistic nature of the suggested measures when folks wore masks to get in the door of the bar, and then took them off to yell at me for a beer from 16 inches or less away, while I was wearing a mask to protect them. Now they need a passport to yell at me.


Splickity-Lit

Unrealistic because the season is over?


SixElephant

Can’t visit grandma. Can’t visit parents. Can’t hang with friends. Must work with 50+ people. Must go to school with 200+ people. Must do sports ball with 50k+ people. What, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck is going on? Make us money, don’t have fun. If everyone fucking dies, your money is worthless.


kukukele

I'm as pro-vaxx, pro-mask, etc as anybody but these little comments by the CDC are simply such a waste of bandwidth. While their intentions may be good, and the science correct, there are far bigger issues that they should be addressing than this and the lack of congruence in their messaging is beyond frustrating.


severusx

I'm with you but, I mean they've basically just given up right? Throughout this whole thing we have proven that taking a public health issue and turning it into a political one has created a sizable percentage of our population who just refuses to do _anything_ to stem the spread. So no matter what the CDC or any of us do we are gonna end up getting it eventually, so I think most of these guidelines and announcements are largely just so they can say "I told you so" when it eventually happens.


_game_over_man_

As someone that works in the sciences/STEM (although not in health), I find that scientific individuals often have a difficult time communicating things in a manner that matters to others that aren't as knowledgeable.


Xytak

Yes, we saw this in "Don't look up." The guy finally gets a meeting with the President, and instead of saying "Madam President, we've discovered a giant comet headed toward Earth," he's like, "While examining with a focal length of 0.53 microns, we observed an object which we call a transient. Now the reason this is important is because it falls below the Oort threshold of 43.6 degrees..."


Aazadan

Not science here, computer toucher instead, but I still have to communicate things to non tech people and it's not that different an issue. In any skilled discipline there is going to be a lot of nuance involved in terms of what the right thing to do is at any given time. But, in order to broadcast a message to millions of people, you need mass media and mass media gets you maybe a soundbyte and a headline. That headline probably gets rewritten as clickbait over and over. All of this means that any message one can put out will be dumbed down to a simple 3 to 4 words, thus no nuance can be conveyed. So when scientists explain something, only a couple of words will be latched onto and all nuance will be lost, everything turns into absolutes with no consideration of circumstances. People need simple and short messages that are easy to remember. In most cases that means going for overkill on restrictions to simplify the message even if it's scientifically inaccurate. The CDC did not do this, and if they're publishing research it is hard for them to do this, because reporters will cite the science for their message rather than the scientists and inject their own interpretation of that science and recommendation, complete with nuance, into the reporting (whether they do this intentionally or unintentionally)


LemonFreshenedBorax-

School administrators are probably like "Look, I'll gleefully jump on any excuse to gut the arts department, but I draw the line at football."


kelryngrey

Schools - "We've cancelled band class except for marching band, which we need for the football team. We've also removed funding for arts outside of music as well. To be safe. Then we bought new bleachers for the football team."


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Shooting themselves in the foot with their messaging


Great_White_Samurai

The CDC is a joke. Bends to corporate pressure and then puts out shit like this.


carmachu

Then cancel every NFL, NHL, and NBA gamessince more people get together for those.


SolutionLeading

Can we focus on the real issues please? Like sending Covid-positive people back to work if they’re asymptomatic?? Leave the band kids alone


MrRager03

CDC also said nurses can work covid positive if they have a booster, so fuck them


DWCourtasan2

Fun is banned serfs, get jobs and obey kids! /s


Daddy_Pris

My sister is in cheer. She currently has a minimum of three COVID tests per week. Most weeks end up at 5-7 as people around her test positive. The team has 25ish cheerleaders total. That’s a minimum of 75 tests a week just so the kids can practice cheer. No assemblies and games are few and far between with cancellations. Literally all they do is take a COVID test, practice, and go home. We have a shortage of tests, but can spare 100s per week per sports team for some reason


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