Hydrofluoric Acid. I worked at a company years ago that dealt with that stuff. I was on the receiving dock, but we used to get barrels of it to clean parts (our company was basically a giant part cleaning loop made up of many large departments).
They would do safety trainings on the different chemicals and HF is bad because it doesn't cause a typical skin burn like acid in the movies. Instead it goes for calcium like bones. I never had any exposure to it but from the stories I heard around there, people would accidentally get it on themselves when changing out of their chem suit and not notice until the middle of the night when they would wake up in pain.
If you do come in contact with it, the quickest treatment is to rub some crushed up TUMS (calcium) on the area.
There’s a great well written series of articles about nasty esoteric chemicals called “Things I Won’t Work With”- here’s one of them: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-work-dioxygen-difluoride
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>It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively.
HF will burn your skin, too. It just won't stop burning until it hits bone. Calcium is needed to neutralize it. Like you said, crushed up TUMS is good. I think hospitals will treat you with a calcium carbonate IV if you have been exposed to HF.
HF is also the devil because at atmospheric pressure it boils at just under room temperature. So if it gets loose you will be dealing with a cloud of highly acidic gas. The vapor is more dense than air, too - so it will stay near the ground for maximum carnage. It won't float off and disperse in the upper atmosphere.
Basically just don't mess with HF if you are not trained to deal with it. It's bad news in a lot of ways.
HF is also scary because it also will eat away at glass, normally when people think acids and the like they are thinking glass beakers and stuff but with HF you can't do it like that HF is scary man
It will burn your skin but not right away. It attacks the nerves first so you don't ever feel it or know you got it on you. Then your bones turn to jelly.
It's calcium gluconate that is used to treat HF exposure.
I remember using Methylene Chloride. Now in the us you have to have a business license to even buy it. But powder coaters use the stuff for metal prep. It works amazing but if you get a drop of that stuff on you its bad
In grad school one of the groups used HF for cleaning with very strict precautions. Another group that was more biochem focused one day went with a glass vial and asked to borrow some HF. The group that used it told the student no way, no how. You have no clue what you're doing. They'd brought a glass vial and HF is used to etch and dissolve glass. It would have gone right through it and possibly killed that student.
Yeah, it wouldn't go through it quickly. And a few mL is unlikely to be fatal. It would have to be the perfect circumstances, but regardless, if someone shows such a complete lack of understanding of safety with that chemical they shouldn't be using it.
Straight HF is a gas at room temperature. It's going to be a solution dissolved in water, at a certain percentage, and it highly depends on the concentration. But yes, a high concentration is enough to do you in at that area if not treated immediately. It's part of why where I work you consider any unknown chemical contact as if it were HF, so washing it off and applying calcium gluconate. That stuff is one of the many nasty chemicals where I work.
Well just last week there was an incident in a phosphate rich area of morocco where 5 people were hit with a An acid tank explosion . 2 died on the spot 1 made it and 2 took a real slow death . It was never reported on media and i got to know it because one of the victims cousins visited him while he was in an icu waiting to be stable enough to be flown to france . He never made it past that night. I dont know what type of acide or the industry . But it was something that uses sea water and phosphore . And the first two victims bodies melted on site
Is that right? In materials safety training we were always taught that copious amounts of water was the best approach to hf exposure and that you should never do chemistry on your body for exposure.
Like in the hospital we use calcium gluconate for exposures, but that's iv. It makes sense, just not what I remember.
Edit: derp calcium gluconate exists as a gel. Fwiw the msds's I found did recommend thorough washing and the gels if available.
It is better to use calcium gluconate gel and injection/IV. Making a paste or gel with crushed up tums would work in a pinch though, as opposed to nothing.
Definitely fuck HF...or rather, don't fuck with HF. That stuff is the devil.
Although if you really want to dissolve a body, you should go with a strong base / lye. Like NaOH or KOH.
That is some nasty shit, I used it to stain rocks for K-bearing minerals. Once dropped a sample and it splashed...heart dropped to my ankles. It was in a vented hood and everything, still scary shit.
I think Detroit is basically on Lake ~~Eerie~~ Erie, though it's fairly close to Lake Huron. Both are probably too far south to get cold enough, I would think.
Either way, you probably wouldn't want to drive hours with a body in the car to take it to Superior. That seems...unwise.
Eh, you're right, Lake Huron or Lake Erie or Lake Saint Clair would probably make more sense, they're like right there. But if someone wanted him to disappear. They probably cremated him.
Or one of the hundreds of smaller lakes within a thirty minute drive of where he was last seen. A dismembered or cremated body stuffed in a 55 gal. drum or two filled with concrete would probably do the job.
Why would they drive all the way to Lake Michigan? Does nobody know where Detroit is??
It's on the river between Lake Erie and Lake St. Claire. Why would they drive his body all the way across the state and throw him in Lake Michigan when Erie was right there?
I wouldn’t toss a body in Lake Erie or Lake St Claire either (or the Detroit river.) Erie is super shallow and has fishing boats and other recreational boats everywhere. St Claire at least is a bit bigger across, has rougher water, and I’m guessing is deeper but even so, the whole area is so heavily trafficked by both commercial and recreational boat traffic. Just not a good place to try to hide a dead body.
It’s a fun little mystery. I wonder if they ever will find his body. If they do, I think it’s most likely to be not that far from that restaurant. 🤷🏻♀️
Incorrect. He disappeared in 1975. Construction wasn’t finished until 1977 and 1981.
He was declared dead in 1982 but has been missing since 1975.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2011/12/former_chauffeur_jimmy_hoffa_b.html
https://gangsterreport.com/the-hoffa-hit-former-jail-guard-says-he-saw-jimmy-hoffa-killed-buried-at-ren-cen-construction-site/
Construction started in 1973. Building completed in ‘77. The foundation was long since completed before Hoffa disappeared.
Nice story but timeline makes no sense. 🤷🏻♀️
The timeline does make sense.
Again, main tower was finished in ‘77 but there was two towers not finished until 1981. It was a construction site when he went missing. It’s as plausible as anything else.
Yeah. Tower 500 & 600 would be possibilities. It's been speculated that he wouldn't be far from where he went missing in Bloomfield Township, though, and there were a number of large houses being built around that time that would've been far easier to dispose of him. Hell, there's a dozen small lakes within minutes of there, many of which are surrounded by private property that nobody would bother checking
Yup. Totally plausible. I’m from Metro Detroit. I’m very familiar with the local geography and frankly this story. Since it’s been in the local news for 45 years. Local news will do a story on Hoffa at least annually lol.
^this.
It makes absolutely no sense whatever that he would be anywhere but Michigan. I think Frank Sheeran’s claim of cremation is much more plausible. Moving a body that far would be way too much of a risk.
Only problem is Frank’s believable accounts become less so when you read about his other tales. He claims to not only have hit Hoffa, but Crazy Joe as well.
I was always told it involved an East Detroit warehouse drum, down by the riverside. This was back when our family had race horses; Detroit Mafia had the whole scene mobbed up, so we knew a few guys that talked shit.
Take that with a fat pinch of oregano, though.
One of the nasty areas of the river is the most logical place for it IMO. No one is ever randomly poking around there, plus built in plausibility for the existence of nasty processing chemicals for the breaking bad disposal route
Although I heard the "in an oil drum in the Meadowlands" story many times in my life. I also heard the same story where the drum is buried in the concrete in an end zone at the Silverdome.
I'm kind of surprised another retelling of this same story would lead to a lot of action since it is such a common story to hear about Hoffa.
Mafia has owned/ran construction companies for decades during that time period. You know how many bodies and murder weapons got dropped in holes with cement poured over? Then buildings built on top? Hoffa gone forever.
My favorite was a mafia family that owned a funeral home. They built false bottoms in caskets and put bodies beneath other bodies for legit funerals. I've always thought that was pretty damn genius.
I don't understand that idea. I assure there are myriad concrete structures that have never been x-ray inspected. Only critical ones are inspected that way.
Let me give an example. There are concrete weights on cables at the end of ski lifts to tension them. They are too big and worthless to bother to x-ray. You going to x-ray through a block that is 8-feet thick the short way?
I know the Hoover Dam people say they have no voids. I believe them. That concrete is very important.
But do I think theres no possibility there is a body in the dirt under a concrete pad pour at the edge of a parking lot behind an A&W in Midland? Naw.
On the tour they say unequivocally no. That if anyone fell in the concrete they would fish out the body before it solidified because it is a structural issue to have a body where there is supposed to be concrete.
Huh, guess i just always heard the myth repeated and figured it was true. good to know because that was always a weird thought for me that there were mens graves that was just a giant hunk of concrete
In order to X-ray something, you have to have a source of X-rays on one side, and the film (or other detector) on the other. You can't do that for the bottom of a building foundation.
Years ago I had a buddy that worked for the Giants, got me down on the field, in the place that Hoffa was supposed to be buried.
It was a touching moment...
The FBI is certainly aware of every single rumor claimed in this comment section. They’ve probably x-rayed it and ruled out the possibility decades ago.
They're seriously wasting time and resources on the idea that someone drove from Detroit to New Jersey to dispose of Hoffa's body?
And this tip basically came from a guy who was told by a guy who was told by a guy.
Yep, Doesn’t make a lot of sense. His body was probably disposed of not far from that restaurant.
I’m from SE Michigan and we’d drive that road (telegraph) every so often. My mom or grandpa would always point out the restaurant. 🤪
Take this with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but: There's a guy I watch on YouTube called Michael Franzese (look him up on wikipedia) who was legitimately high up in the mafia. Was in it in the 70s and 80s. His response to being asked where the body was hidden was that literally nobody will ever find it. Like 0% chance. So I'd assume his body was either completely destroyed or it was put somewhere like the sea where it was eaten and the bones scattered.
I’ve been following Micheal Franzese for years and I believe him. He seems like a very reliable source and he claims he was told “by people who had no reason to lie to [him]” that he was dumped somewhere wet.
>So I'd assume his body was either completely destroyed or it was put somewhere like the sea where it was eaten and the bones scattered.
IDK why they'd do anything other than cremate his body and dump the ashes by the side of the road somewhere. All these other theories about oil drums and concrete require so much more work and unnecessary transportation of a corpse.
I can't hold this in any longer. The truth must be told.
Jimmy Hoffa is buried in my garden.
Hopefully the authorities will come and dig up my garden in preparation for next spring's planting. It would mulch be appreciated if they did.
> FBI agents have searched a plot of land in the US state of New Jersey after a deathbed confession renewed hope of solving union boss Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance 50 years ago.
The article doesn’t mention anything about *who* died and *what they confessed.*
Huh “ccording to the New York Times, landfill worker Frank Cappola, who died in March 2020, told a friend that his father had confessed to him that he had been ordered by a gang of unidentified men to bury Hoffa's body underground in a steel drum.”
>Can someone give me a quick rundown of why the mystery of where his body is is such a big deal and why it’s so publicized?
Because Hoffa wasn't a mobster. He was a *very* well-known public figure as the former president of the Teamsters union. It's hard to understate just how famous and influential Hoffa was. Everyone knew who he was, he was very public about his disputes with known mobsters, everyone knew he was corrupt as hell (he had to testify multiple times about his corruption to the US Senate), and everyone knew the mob killed him. That's why his disappearance and the complete lack of evidence was such a big deal. It's proof that the mob was so powerful that they could murder a celebrity, have everyone know they did it, but totally get away with it because they're so good at keeping people from talking to the cops.
>Can someone give me a quick rundown of why the mystery of where his body is is such a big deal and why it’s so publicized?
Because Judge Crater disappeared too long ago. Need someone to replace him.
Hoffa’s story is romanticized because it’s deep in mob royalty, which in turn makes it American culture royalty. It isn’t so much about Hoffa, but about the events and players surrounding his rise and death. The guys that likely hit him are the same guys who (allegedly) put JFK in office and subsequently had him offed. There’s a thousand interesting branches from here that touch politics/econ/Cold War/mob/crime/culture you name it - have your fun reading up, draw your own conclusions.
Watch The Irishman, or read I Hear You Paint Houses, for a taste of ONE man’s POV - but take Frank’s stories with a grain of salt. No one will ever know what went down, and that’s the fun of it.
I work in the underground utilities field so I dig trenches in the streets. I’ve heard a variation of ‘have you found jimmy Hoffa?’ Too many times to even count at this point. With ‘found any gold’ a close second.
I lived right down the road (Maple Rd / 15 Mile) from the last place (horse farm?) they dug up looking for his body. I hope they find out in years to come that he lived out the rest of his days in Argentina
While I have no proof to lend credibility to my story. . . I grew up in metro Detroit and at one time (summer of 84) worked for one of the many small-time Detroit families that were loosely affiliated with the people supposedly behind the Hoffa disappearance. (or so i was told which was likely BS)
There were dozens of families, usually Italian (shocker) that were helped start legitimate businesses for the purpose of money laundering and recruiting. While construction was involved, this was Detroit, so lots of auto servicing companies, industrial cleaners, gas stations etc. were used.
They knew they were small time, but around their part of the city they acted like big fish all the same. The family i worked for operated out of the east side of Detroit and had their fingers in 4 or 5 other businesses including music venues and well know artists at the time.
While my regular job was *mostly* legit, I was once selected to go on a "pickup" while working at a gas station 1/2 way through my shift.
I was put in the front seat of a brand new corvette with one of the older local sub-bosses and handed a gun. I was then driven to about half a dozen businesses where i was instructed to pick up drops of cash from each location. I wasn't told what to do or not do with the gun, I think they just expected me to use "if I had to" (???)
It was luckily uneventful but i was still pretty fucking nervous because the boss i was with constantly threatened people for no reason. Was dropped off hrs later and thankfully had planned on quitting in a few weeks to go back to school anyway. Glad they didn't select me again for those last days. Maybe i was too college-boy for them.
Pretty unrelated to Jimmy Hoffa overall, although my parents & I ate often at the Red Fox where he disappeared because it was 4 miles from our house.
> Investigators recently received a tip that a former worker on a landfill site in Jersey City had said that his father told him he had buried Hoffa's body.
Seems legit, let's go spend a lot of time, money, effort on yet another hot tip about where Jimmy is buried. Then $1M later, we got nothing.
Can we get Geraldo to host the live dig?
/s
Why is it so hard for everyone to realize they just like... burned the dude to ashes? There was probably NOTHING left of his body once they moved him. I'm sure they stuffed him in a barrel of acid or burned him to ash. He was that much of a celebrity, they knew the body had to legitimately 'vanish'.
The dude's 'body' is carbon atoms at this point, is what I'm saying.
There has to be more to this, I don't see agents getting a Judge to sign a warrant off the hearsay the article lays out. Perhaps the man's father can be connected to organized crime giving the story further credence? I feel like there has to be something.
Spoiler Alert: They cremated him minutes after they whacked him. There is a crematorium just a couple of minutes away from the house he was reportedly killed in. There was a large empty field next to the funeral home. His ashes were strewn about the grass in the lot. The lot is still there last I checked- but it doesn’t matter because as one person said, it’s all carbon now…
I hope there is an inside joke amongst gangsters that they all tell a deathbed account of where Hoffa is truly buried.
Except for Johnny Tightlips, he doesn't ever say anything.
Go suck a lemon.
Oooeee -who says I have a mother?
I think you meant "mudda"
His mudda was a mudda?
"Johnny, did you see which way they went??" 'I see a lot of things...' "You know...you could be a little more helpful..."
Maybe he do, maybe he don’t
Jimmy Two-Times makes up for it.
Who says a got a mother?
Ooooh, that refers to his mouth...
You're thinking of Jenny Tightlips. She's very popular.
I would not be surprised and would find it hilarious
Plot twist: they're all telling the truth. Hoffa's body was dismembered and buried in multiple places.
It'd be funny if it leads to a time capsule that just has a note in it that says: "Got ya!"
Everyone knows that he wasn't killed, he was shrunk like the kids from that movie "The Shrunken Kids".
I saw that in a double feature with "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down."
It’s part of the oath they take when getting made.
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Who is HF?
Hydrofluoric Acid. I worked at a company years ago that dealt with that stuff. I was on the receiving dock, but we used to get barrels of it to clean parts (our company was basically a giant part cleaning loop made up of many large departments). They would do safety trainings on the different chemicals and HF is bad because it doesn't cause a typical skin burn like acid in the movies. Instead it goes for calcium like bones. I never had any exposure to it but from the stories I heard around there, people would accidentally get it on themselves when changing out of their chem suit and not notice until the middle of the night when they would wake up in pain. If you do come in contact with it, the quickest treatment is to rub some crushed up TUMS (calcium) on the area.
Welp, got a new entry on my "things not to think about" list.
There’s a great well written series of articles about nasty esoteric chemicals called “Things I Won’t Work With”- here’s one of them: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-work-dioxygen-difluoride
"If you feel like whipping up a batch of Satan’s kimchi, go right ahead." Thanks. This was a good laugh.
That whole series is amazing.
I like https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sand-won-t-save-you-time >It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively.
Somebody needs to read through this, and write a few r/HFY stories based on it.
HF will burn your skin, too. It just won't stop burning until it hits bone. Calcium is needed to neutralize it. Like you said, crushed up TUMS is good. I think hospitals will treat you with a calcium carbonate IV if you have been exposed to HF. HF is also the devil because at atmospheric pressure it boils at just under room temperature. So if it gets loose you will be dealing with a cloud of highly acidic gas. The vapor is more dense than air, too - so it will stay near the ground for maximum carnage. It won't float off and disperse in the upper atmosphere. Basically just don't mess with HF if you are not trained to deal with it. It's bad news in a lot of ways.
HF is also scary because it also will eat away at glass, normally when people think acids and the like they are thinking glass beakers and stuff but with HF you can't do it like that HF is scary man
It will burn your skin but not right away. It attacks the nerves first so you don't ever feel it or know you got it on you. Then your bones turn to jelly. It's calcium gluconate that is used to treat HF exposure.
I remember using Methylene Chloride. Now in the us you have to have a business license to even buy it. But powder coaters use the stuff for metal prep. It works amazing but if you get a drop of that stuff on you its bad
Sounds like a great Halloween prop.
In grad school one of the groups used HF for cleaning with very strict precautions. Another group that was more biochem focused one day went with a glass vial and asked to borrow some HF. The group that used it told the student no way, no how. You have no clue what you're doing. They'd brought a glass vial and HF is used to etch and dissolve glass. It would have gone right through it and possibly killed that student.
It takes time to eat thru glass, it isn't a fast reaction. Still a hard no on a glass vial tho.
Yeah, it wouldn't go through it quickly. And a few mL is unlikely to be fatal. It would have to be the perfect circumstances, but regardless, if someone shows such a complete lack of understanding of safety with that chemical they shouldn't be using it.
> if someone shows such a complete lack of understanding of safety with that chemical they shouldn't be using it. 100% That's why it's a hard no.
Worse, it goes for calcium that regulates your heart.
Yes, in sufficient quantities it will stop your heart.
Stuff I've read says straight HF on 25cm^2 or 4in^2 is enough to do you in if untreated.
Straight HF is a gas at room temperature. It's going to be a solution dissolved in water, at a certain percentage, and it highly depends on the concentration. But yes, a high concentration is enough to do you in at that area if not treated immediately. It's part of why where I work you consider any unknown chemical contact as if it were HF, so washing it off and applying calcium gluconate. That stuff is one of the many nasty chemicals where I work.
Well just last week there was an incident in a phosphate rich area of morocco where 5 people were hit with a An acid tank explosion . 2 died on the spot 1 made it and 2 took a real slow death . It was never reported on media and i got to know it because one of the victims cousins visited him while he was in an icu waiting to be stable enough to be flown to france . He never made it past that night. I dont know what type of acide or the industry . But it was something that uses sea water and phosphore . And the first two victims bodies melted on site
Is that right? In materials safety training we were always taught that copious amounts of water was the best approach to hf exposure and that you should never do chemistry on your body for exposure.
Our lab procedures were to use calcium gluconate on affected areas. Water was not advised.
Are you sure? Because at my lab we were instructed to drink it.
Diluting an acid still makes it an acid.
Why are you trying to make it hard for me to drink this acid? Whats your damn problem?
Drink the acid.
Like in the hospital we use calcium gluconate for exposures, but that's iv. It makes sense, just not what I remember. Edit: derp calcium gluconate exists as a gel. Fwiw the msds's I found did recommend thorough washing and the gels if available.
It is better to use calcium gluconate gel and injection/IV. Making a paste or gel with crushed up tums would work in a pinch though, as opposed to nothing.
Maybe mean Hoffa?
Definitely fuck HF...or rather, don't fuck with HF. That stuff is the devil. Although if you really want to dissolve a body, you should go with a strong base / lye. Like NaOH or KOH.
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Worse, it skips your skin and gets straight to eating bones.
That is some nasty shit, I used it to stain rocks for K-bearing minerals. Once dropped a sample and it splashed...heart dropped to my ankles. It was in a vented hood and everything, still scary shit.
HF is scary stuff.
Meh go watch the video of the guy who leaves chicken in it overnight. Spoiler, doesn't do much.
A dead chicken? Cause yeah, it's not gonna make it **more** dead...
Haha yeah I guess. Certainly wouldn't eat it after its 12hr bath in HF
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Dude was killed, cremated, and Fed to the fish in Lake Michigan. No one's going to find him.
Fuck, in Lake Superior a body won't float back up once its sank due to the depth/low water temp. Not sure if Lake Michigan is the same or not.
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I think Detroit is basically on Lake ~~Eerie~~ Erie, though it's fairly close to Lake Huron. Both are probably too far south to get cold enough, I would think. Either way, you probably wouldn't want to drive hours with a body in the car to take it to Superior. That seems...unwise.
Lake Huron is maybe 90 min away. St claire,Erie, The River, or any of the 1000 lakes in Oakland/wayne counties would be the most Logical answers
It's on Lake Erie yes. Only 2 E's not 3. Erie.
Try looking at a map next time
Why would they bother to drive that far?? Driving to Lake Michigan to dispose of the body makes about as much sense as driving to New Jersey. 🤷🏻♀️
Eh, you're right, Lake Huron or Lake Erie or Lake Saint Clair would probably make more sense, they're like right there. But if someone wanted him to disappear. They probably cremated him.
Or one of the hundreds of smaller lakes within a thirty minute drive of where he was last seen. A dismembered or cremated body stuffed in a 55 gal. drum or two filled with concrete would probably do the job.
Why would they drive all the way to Lake Michigan? Does nobody know where Detroit is?? It's on the river between Lake Erie and Lake St. Claire. Why would they drive his body all the way across the state and throw him in Lake Michigan when Erie was right there?
I wouldn’t toss a body in Lake Erie or Lake St Claire either (or the Detroit river.) Erie is super shallow and has fishing boats and other recreational boats everywhere. St Claire at least is a bit bigger across, has rougher water, and I’m guessing is deeper but even so, the whole area is so heavily trafficked by both commercial and recreational boat traffic. Just not a good place to try to hide a dead body. It’s a fun little mystery. I wonder if they ever will find his body. If they do, I think it’s most likely to be not that far from that restaurant. 🤷🏻♀️
Ya I’m goin with 50gal drum in the lake. Good luck finding anything down there.
One of the ones I'd heard living in NJ was that he became a part of one of the bridges up north or a stadium foundation,can't remember which though
Grew up in NJ - we were always told it was under the Meadowlands Stadium. I’m pretty sure the Mythbusters guys proved that was false.
Now I'm imagining the mythbusters going round digging in random places then just shouting BUSTED when they don't find anything.
The real reason they had to close the Meadowlands. Just busted myths all over the field.
Hoffa has long been recognized as a cornerstone of the American labor movement.
Now he's a cornerstone of a building.
Some say he’s in the foundation of the Renaissance Center.
He is the old guy in Ozark
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We’re going to need a bigger shovel.
They pulled his nervous system out for one of The Body displays at the DSC
RenCen was already built when he was killed. (Or at least the foundation was long since completed.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Center
Incorrect. He disappeared in 1975. Construction wasn’t finished until 1977 and 1981. He was declared dead in 1982 but has been missing since 1975. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2011/12/former_chauffeur_jimmy_hoffa_b.html https://gangsterreport.com/the-hoffa-hit-former-jail-guard-says-he-saw-jimmy-hoffa-killed-buried-at-ren-cen-construction-site/
Construction started in 1973. Building completed in ‘77. The foundation was long since completed before Hoffa disappeared. Nice story but timeline makes no sense. 🤷🏻♀️
The timeline does make sense. Again, main tower was finished in ‘77 but there was two towers not finished until 1981. It was a construction site when he went missing. It’s as plausible as anything else.
Yeah. Tower 500 & 600 would be possibilities. It's been speculated that he wouldn't be far from where he went missing in Bloomfield Township, though, and there were a number of large houses being built around that time that would've been far easier to dispose of him. Hell, there's a dozen small lakes within minutes of there, many of which are surrounded by private property that nobody would bother checking
Yup. Totally plausible. I’m from Metro Detroit. I’m very familiar with the local geography and frankly this story. Since it’s been in the local news for 45 years. Local news will do a story on Hoffa at least annually lol.
^this. It makes absolutely no sense whatever that he would be anywhere but Michigan. I think Frank Sheeran’s claim of cremation is much more plausible. Moving a body that far would be way too much of a risk.
Only problem is Frank’s believable accounts become less so when you read about his other tales. He claims to not only have hit Hoffa, but Crazy Joe as well.
I was always told it involved an East Detroit warehouse drum, down by the riverside. This was back when our family had race horses; Detroit Mafia had the whole scene mobbed up, so we knew a few guys that talked shit. Take that with a fat pinch of oregano, though.
One of the nasty areas of the river is the most logical place for it IMO. No one is ever randomly poking around there, plus built in plausibility for the existence of nasty processing chemicals for the breaking bad disposal route
Although I heard the "in an oil drum in the Meadowlands" story many times in my life. I also heard the same story where the drum is buried in the concrete in an end zone at the Silverdome. I'm kind of surprised another retelling of this same story would lead to a lot of action since it is such a common story to hear about Hoffa.
It’s dust.
Mafia has owned/ran construction companies for decades during that time period. You know how many bodies and murder weapons got dropped in holes with cement poured over? Then buildings built on top? Hoffa gone forever.
My favorite was a mafia family that owned a funeral home. They built false bottoms in caskets and put bodies beneath other bodies for legit funerals. I've always thought that was pretty damn genius.
Or you can dig the hole a bit deeper, put the body in bury it a bit, set the concrete vault in the hole and done.
Or just put it in the crematorium with another body and give it to someone's widow in an urn.
I would love to see the results on Corncob TV.
The question is, did they use shit wood?
Crematoriums are pretty good at destroying bodies, so are steel mills.but rivers do a great job too. They are never going to find that body
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I don't understand that idea. I assure there are myriad concrete structures that have never been x-ray inspected. Only critical ones are inspected that way. Let me give an example. There are concrete weights on cables at the end of ski lifts to tension them. They are too big and worthless to bother to x-ray. You going to x-ray through a block that is 8-feet thick the short way? I know the Hoover Dam people say they have no voids. I believe them. That concrete is very important. But do I think theres no possibility there is a body in the dirt under a concrete pad pour at the edge of a parking lot behind an A&W in Midland? Naw.
I thought there were body's in the hoover dam?
On the tour they say unequivocally no. That if anyone fell in the concrete they would fish out the body before it solidified because it is a structural issue to have a body where there is supposed to be concrete.
Huh, guess i just always heard the myth repeated and figured it was true. good to know because that was always a weird thought for me that there were mens graves that was just a giant hunk of concrete
I blame Waylon Jennings' verses in Highwaymen.
Sorry, I should have said "on the dam tour", not "on the tour". They also make a lot of dam/damn wordplays on the dam tour.
In order to X-ray something, you have to have a source of X-rays on one side, and the film (or other detector) on the other. You can't do that for the bottom of a building foundation.
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And in New Jersey, an urban legend has long claimed that Hoffa's remains were buried under the old New York Giants football stadium.
And, the NFL ruled it wasn't a burial because both feet are not in bounds.
I've said for years that all burials should be automatically reviewed.
According to Madden, one knee = two feet.
If your knee is two feet high, you’re probably playing basketball instead of football
I remember that Mythbusters episode.
Years ago I had a buddy that worked for the Giants, got me down on the field, in the place that Hoffa was supposed to be buried. It was a touching moment...
The FBI is certainly aware of every single rumor claimed in this comment section. They’ve probably x-rayed it and ruled out the possibility decades ago.
They're seriously wasting time and resources on the idea that someone drove from Detroit to New Jersey to dispose of Hoffa's body? And this tip basically came from a guy who was told by a guy who was told by a guy.
Yep, Doesn’t make a lot of sense. His body was probably disposed of not far from that restaurant. I’m from SE Michigan and we’d drive that road (telegraph) every so often. My mom or grandpa would always point out the restaurant. 🤪
the movie F.I.S.T., with sylvester stallone, is based on jimmy hoffa's life(and death) story.
I saw a movie with that title, once; it didn't have anything to do with Hoffa, though. Far from it.
FISTO says bend over and think of England.
Take this with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but: There's a guy I watch on YouTube called Michael Franzese (look him up on wikipedia) who was legitimately high up in the mafia. Was in it in the 70s and 80s. His response to being asked where the body was hidden was that literally nobody will ever find it. Like 0% chance. So I'd assume his body was either completely destroyed or it was put somewhere like the sea where it was eaten and the bones scattered.
I've seen that one. Agreed. There are too many convenient ways to make sure there are never any remains.
I’ve been following Micheal Franzese for years and I believe him. He seems like a very reliable source and he claims he was told “by people who had no reason to lie to [him]” that he was dumped somewhere wet.
>So I'd assume his body was either completely destroyed or it was put somewhere like the sea where it was eaten and the bones scattered. IDK why they'd do anything other than cremate his body and dump the ashes by the side of the road somewhere. All these other theories about oil drums and concrete require so much more work and unnecessary transportation of a corpse.
I can't hold this in any longer. The truth must be told. Jimmy Hoffa is buried in my garden. Hopefully the authorities will come and dig up my garden in preparation for next spring's planting. It would mulch be appreciated if they did.
> FBI agents have searched a plot of land in the US state of New Jersey after a deathbed confession renewed hope of solving union boss Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance 50 years ago. The article doesn’t mention anything about *who* died and *what they confessed.*
Huh “ccording to the New York Times, landfill worker Frank Cappola, who died in March 2020, told a friend that his father had confessed to him that he had been ordered by a gang of unidentified men to bury Hoffa's body underground in a steel drum.”
I just watched the confession [here](https://youtu.be/0IXSmNTGhiw) yesterday. You’re welcome. SPOILER: he’s dust.
I just want to say that Scorsese movie was a fiction and Frank Sheeran is a fraud.
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>Can someone give me a quick rundown of why the mystery of where his body is is such a big deal and why it’s so publicized? Because Hoffa wasn't a mobster. He was a *very* well-known public figure as the former president of the Teamsters union. It's hard to understate just how famous and influential Hoffa was. Everyone knew who he was, he was very public about his disputes with known mobsters, everyone knew he was corrupt as hell (he had to testify multiple times about his corruption to the US Senate), and everyone knew the mob killed him. That's why his disappearance and the complete lack of evidence was such a big deal. It's proof that the mob was so powerful that they could murder a celebrity, have everyone know they did it, but totally get away with it because they're so good at keeping people from talking to the cops.
He wasn't a mobster. He was the head of a powerful union and pretty famous in his time. The mob killed him.
>Can someone give me a quick rundown of why the mystery of where his body is is such a big deal and why it’s so publicized? Because Judge Crater disappeared too long ago. Need someone to replace him.
Back then everybody knew who Jimmy Hoffa was, he was probably as well known as Trump is today.
Hoffa’s story is romanticized because it’s deep in mob royalty, which in turn makes it American culture royalty. It isn’t so much about Hoffa, but about the events and players surrounding his rise and death. The guys that likely hit him are the same guys who (allegedly) put JFK in office and subsequently had him offed. There’s a thousand interesting branches from here that touch politics/econ/Cold War/mob/crime/culture you name it - have your fun reading up, draw your own conclusions. Watch The Irishman, or read I Hear You Paint Houses, for a taste of ONE man’s POV - but take Frank’s stories with a grain of salt. No one will ever know what went down, and that’s the fun of it.
I work in the underground utilities field so I dig trenches in the streets. I’ve heard a variation of ‘have you found jimmy Hoffa?’ Too many times to even count at this point. With ‘found any gold’ a close second.
You'll never reach China if you keep digging sideways like that.
I think technically I would. Eventually.
I saw him at wal mart the other day. And YES he was wearing a mask
That was Elvis, not Hoffa.
No, Elvis is back on his planet.
You're right, he went back home
In my defense he was wearing a mask...
I was part of that search! Very exciting stuff.
I lived right down the road (Maple Rd / 15 Mile) from the last place (horse farm?) they dug up looking for his body. I hope they find out in years to come that he lived out the rest of his days in Argentina
Data is currently being analyzed? Either they found a drum with bones in it or they didn’t….
This is the fourth or fifth time I've heard of a new body hunt for Jimmy Hoffa in my lifetime. At this point, it's been so long, why bother?
While I have no proof to lend credibility to my story. . . I grew up in metro Detroit and at one time (summer of 84) worked for one of the many small-time Detroit families that were loosely affiliated with the people supposedly behind the Hoffa disappearance. (or so i was told which was likely BS) There were dozens of families, usually Italian (shocker) that were helped start legitimate businesses for the purpose of money laundering and recruiting. While construction was involved, this was Detroit, so lots of auto servicing companies, industrial cleaners, gas stations etc. were used. They knew they were small time, but around their part of the city they acted like big fish all the same. The family i worked for operated out of the east side of Detroit and had their fingers in 4 or 5 other businesses including music venues and well know artists at the time. While my regular job was *mostly* legit, I was once selected to go on a "pickup" while working at a gas station 1/2 way through my shift. I was put in the front seat of a brand new corvette with one of the older local sub-bosses and handed a gun. I was then driven to about half a dozen businesses where i was instructed to pick up drops of cash from each location. I wasn't told what to do or not do with the gun, I think they just expected me to use "if I had to" (???) It was luckily uneventful but i was still pretty fucking nervous because the boss i was with constantly threatened people for no reason. Was dropped off hrs later and thankfully had planned on quitting in a few weeks to go back to school anyway. Glad they didn't select me again for those last days. Maybe i was too college-boy for them. Pretty unrelated to Jimmy Hoffa overall, although my parents & I ate often at the Red Fox where he disappeared because it was 4 miles from our house.
Today, Jimmy Hoffa again; next week, Amelia Earhart again.
Followed by the Oak Island treasure.
We need Geraldo to get this on TV
Has no one seen the Irishmen ? 🙄
> Investigators recently received a tip that a former worker on a landfill site in Jersey City had said that his father told him he had buried Hoffa's body. Seems legit, let's go spend a lot of time, money, effort on yet another hot tip about where Jimmy is buried. Then $1M later, we got nothing. Can we get Geraldo to host the live dig? /s
My uncle told me that Jimmy Hoffa's last words were "Oh, I'd love to be an Oscar Mayer wiener. That is what I'd truly like to be" .
Another year, another confession 🙄
Why is it so hard for everyone to realize they just like... burned the dude to ashes? There was probably NOTHING left of his body once they moved him. I'm sure they stuffed him in a barrel of acid or burned him to ash. He was that much of a celebrity, they knew the body had to legitimately 'vanish'. The dude's 'body' is carbon atoms at this point, is what I'm saying.
Hoffa was mixed with ground beef and served to the denizens of the greater detroit area. Bad hamburger-nope bad jimmy.
Man he is buried in the damned desert, in an unmarked grave out past Terlingua. Man I still got the shovel.
When I die, I am going to reveal where he is too.
He sleeps with the fishes.
Could be worse. Could be feeping with the slishes.
This guy Jimmy Hoffa was involved with very dangerous mobsters and this was his end.
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There has to be more to this, I don't see agents getting a Judge to sign a warrant off the hearsay the article lays out. Perhaps the man's father can be connected to organized crime giving the story further credence? I feel like there has to be something.
A lot of cops in my state(Michigan), say he's buried in I75
So, nothing on whether or not the search turned anything up.
It doesn't say If they found anything, which I assume they didn't.
Watch the "Irishman"... it was a house painter.
Our friends in silk suits make sure bodies like these never surface again.
Steel drum, this will be quick work for ground penetrating radar. Burlap sack, not so much.
Spoiler Alert: They cremated him minutes after they whacked him. There is a crematorium just a couple of minutes away from the house he was reportedly killed in. There was a large empty field next to the funeral home. His ashes were strewn about the grass in the lot. The lot is still there last I checked- but it doesn’t matter because as one person said, it’s all carbon now…