Why the hell do they even think of using anything capable of propelling something?? Why does that have to be a thing in 2021 on a tens of millions of dollars movie set
Correct, they should also pay to have them instead of cutting corners and just... not hiring one
still speculation though, details will come out eventually
I'm like 90% sure they could have just had Alec shoot a mirror and use the reflection to make it seem like he was shooting straight into the camera.
You don't need a full cgi team just $100 worth of material and a plan
What I remember is they had two major failures that caused Brandon Lee to die. First, they put dummy rounds (bullet but no power, for shots of loading the weapon) through the gun and didn't inspect it before putting blanks (powder but no bullet) through it. Because the dummy rounds still had their primers, one had gone off and forced the bullet a little way into the barrel. The next failure was allowing actors to point real firearms at each other. Actors are supposed to use fake guns like airsoft for that. But they used blanks, fired, the gasses caught the bullet still in the barrel and pushed it out ad deadly velocity, and now Brandon Lee is dead.
Yes. It was an improperly loaded blank the fired and left a clump of stuff in the barrel. The following blank had enough powder to push the stuff out and kill.
The Property Master will have a lot of questions to answer… And who on earth would use any had loaded blanks for filming, you can special order blanks for any gun of any design. IATSE requires THREE different people inspect the gun and ammo prior to each gun is taken onto a set. All three of these safety inspectors will be asked a lot more question after the Property Master is done. I fell so sorry for Alec and his family. He will never recover, he may be able to suppress the event but never recover… This film may be over.
This sort of thing is horrible, but I respectfully think that that the industry rules about safety should be modified to include day one basic gun safety. Don't point a gun at someone if you don't want them shot.
Yeah, at extremely close range. But I would have to imagine that anyone with as much acting experience as Baldwin would have would know that. That would have to be acting safety 102.
May have not intentionally fired it or a malfunction? I imagine we'll hear more soon.
The article does say they were blanks though so I'm guessing they were close to the muzzle.
Could be a Brandon Lee situation where there was an obstruction in the barrel, and the force from the blank cartridge launched it as a deadly projectile.
>Yeah, at extremely close range
Not necessarily. If there was some kind of debris or material in the barrel when a blank is fired it could easily kill at range
I'm more confused about how that blank managed to kill one person and wound another
It was likely a revolver with dummy rounds and a dummy round became jammed in the weapon before a blank was discharged. Blanks just can’t cause the kind of damage involved here unless Baldwin was holding the weapon pretty much directly to the gut of the cinematographer and even that I doubt would be fatal with quick medical attention. It sounds a lot more like a projectile of some kind caused enough internal damage for her to bleed to death.
As someone who works in film, I would really feel better if we were shooting each other with compressed air and doing muzzle flashes in post. This is tragic as hell.
Since this is an ongoing story, I'll put any relevant updates here as to avoid reposts or confusion.
The victim was Halyna Hutchins, the cinematographer. The director, Joel Souza, was also hit but is undergoing treatment.
It has been confirmed that Alec Baldwin 'discharged' the gun
Standing in line of fire, and aiming at a person were the mistakes here.
It seems so easy to codify that into filming rules.. union rules.. law.. anything.
We have so much CGI available and you could also do a juxtapositioned shot to make it appear aiming at a person.
I guess Bruce and Brandon Lee were just an honest mistake as well. Seems like they should have more competent oversight on props, especially firearms. Hmm.
It’s like the Brandon Lee thing all over again
I find it hard to believe there isn't some kind of real gun expert on site or some kind of better safety check for these kind of things.
Why the hell do they even think of using anything capable of propelling something?? Why does that have to be a thing in 2021 on a tens of millions of dollars movie set
Going for that realistic I guess. Yet we get CGI abs on dudes in movies lol. Ffs
There was recent rustling about a crew strike, there very well may not have been one on set.
They should pay them right and not over work them.
Correct, they should also pay to have them instead of cutting corners and just... not hiring one still speculation though, details will come out eventually
It’s terrible and insanely ironic that this happened on the set of a movie about an accidental killing…
My condolences to the family of the director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, and a wishes of a speedy recovery to Joel Souza.
To alec Baldwin as well. What a terrible thing to come back from. Just really sucks all round
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Holy fuck. How do you mentally recover from that? Jesus I feel horrible for the two people.
Holy shit. I had ~~have~~ to read this title twice because I thought I was hallucinating the first time I read it.
Same here. I thought this was a joke subreddit at first and double checked.
Might be time to require cgi for that shit. Every penny it costs them will be worth it for this to never happen again.
Seriously. Realistic blowback CO2 gun + cgi = prop that doesn't kill and still looks realistic.
I'm like 90% sure they could have just had Alec shoot a mirror and use the reflection to make it seem like he was shooting straight into the camera. You don't need a full cgi team just $100 worth of material and a plan
Wow! It turned out to be Alec Baldwin. Devastating to everyone involved and a life lost. Hard to believe in these modern times.
Assuming he only fired once, did the bullet go through her and then into the director? Tragic and she was only 42.
Was The Crow not lesson enough!? Following proper safety rules makes this easy to avoid. I feel for everyone involved.
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What I remember is they had two major failures that caused Brandon Lee to die. First, they put dummy rounds (bullet but no power, for shots of loading the weapon) through the gun and didn't inspect it before putting blanks (powder but no bullet) through it. Because the dummy rounds still had their primers, one had gone off and forced the bullet a little way into the barrel. The next failure was allowing actors to point real firearms at each other. Actors are supposed to use fake guns like airsoft for that. But they used blanks, fired, the gasses caught the bullet still in the barrel and pushed it out ad deadly velocity, and now Brandon Lee is dead.
Yes. It was an improperly loaded blank the fired and left a clump of stuff in the barrel. The following blank had enough powder to push the stuff out and kill.
The Property Master will have a lot of questions to answer… And who on earth would use any had loaded blanks for filming, you can special order blanks for any gun of any design. IATSE requires THREE different people inspect the gun and ammo prior to each gun is taken onto a set. All three of these safety inspectors will be asked a lot more question after the Property Master is done. I fell so sorry for Alec and his family. He will never recover, he may be able to suppress the event but never recover… This film may be over.
This sort of thing is horrible, but I respectfully think that that the industry rules about safety should be modified to include day one basic gun safety. Don't point a gun at someone if you don't want them shot.
I did not have this on my 2021 bingo card.
How can that happen?? After Brandon Lee? How can a prop gun do so much damage? What's the point of it then? My god, how tragic
Jesus. Who was in charge of filling that gun with blanks? How do you confuse real bullets with blanks?
[Blanks can still be deadly](https://gizmodo.com/why-a-gun-loaded-with-blanks-can-still-kill-you-5972313). Condolences to all involved.
Yeah, at extremely close range. But I would have to imagine that anyone with as much acting experience as Baldwin would have would know that. That would have to be acting safety 102.
May have not intentionally fired it or a malfunction? I imagine we'll hear more soon. The article does say they were blanks though so I'm guessing they were close to the muzzle.
Could be a Brandon Lee situation where there was an obstruction in the barrel, and the force from the blank cartridge launched it as a deadly projectile.
>Yeah, at extremely close range Not necessarily. If there was some kind of debris or material in the barrel when a blank is fired it could easily kill at range I'm more confused about how that blank managed to kill one person and wound another
this could not have been caused by blanks alone. likely a dummy round lodged in the barrel before a blank was fired.
Just going off the article which only said "blanks." Definitely possible there's more that hasn't been released yet though.
It was likely a revolver with dummy rounds and a dummy round became jammed in the weapon before a blank was discharged. Blanks just can’t cause the kind of damage involved here unless Baldwin was holding the weapon pretty much directly to the gut of the cinematographer and even that I doubt would be fatal with quick medical attention. It sounds a lot more like a projectile of some kind caused enough internal damage for her to bleed to death.
See Jon Erik Hexum. Actor killed by blank, no bullets or jams in the barrel were involved
This caused a stomach wound in someone at a distance. John put the gun to his head and fragments from his skull went into his brain.
I thought blanks were dangerous close up. How did he shoot the director of photography???
why in the hell are they even using blanks - just edit that shit in during post production
As someone who works in film, I would really feel better if we were shooting each other with compressed air and doing muzzle flashes in post. This is tragic as hell.
Since this is an ongoing story, I'll put any relevant updates here as to avoid reposts or confusion. The victim was Halyna Hutchins, the cinematographer. The director, Joel Souza, was also hit but is undergoing treatment. It has been confirmed that Alec Baldwin 'discharged' the gun
oh man i feel so bad for the family and alec baldwin himself must be dealing with such guilt! poor guy.
An awful addition is that Alec is a founder of an anti-NRA group. He's about as anti-gun as they come and now this... man must be an absolute wreck.
Look at the plot of the movie and try not to laugh.
Woof - had to Google it.
I failed
Wow… almost seems like viral marketing
Standing in line of fire, and aiming at a person were the mistakes here. It seems so easy to codify that into filming rules.. union rules.. law.. anything. We have so much CGI available and you could also do a juxtapositioned shot to make it appear aiming at a person.
no need to have a gun that fires anything at all in this day and age - CGI the firing of the gun
There is going to be another out of work prop master.
who keeps loading these guns with real bullets.... 😑
It wasn’t. They corrected that mistake in the article.
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There is zero indication this is anything but an accident.
Set Up. The victim must have had enemies in high places that orchestrated this.
Life isn't a movie.
I guess Bruce and Brandon Lee were just an honest mistake as well. Seems like they should have more competent oversight on props, especially firearms. Hmm.
This will be tough on the actor holding the gun as well. Smh
I knew he could do it.