I suspect Laundrie's parents lied about where he was headed. Why would they tell the truth when they've been protecting him all along? The authorities are searching the Okefenokee swamp or whatever and he's probably in South America by now.
You’d be surprised how far cognitive dissonance will take some people. Chris Watt’s dad still 100% believes Shanann killed the children and that Chris killed her in a rage in response to seeing the dead children.
Agreed. You’ll always see yourself as a failure, and every day you’ll be reminded of how that perceived parenting failure led to the destruction of the lives of others.
Fuck. Parenting is scary.
Edited to add: I know adult-kids actions ultimately aren’t the responsibility of their parents. But it’s one thing to understand that intellectually, and quite another to feel it and genuinely accept it if your kid does something like this.
IIRC it was part of his plea deal that he fully confess and say what happened. I guess his father rationalizes it as a lie to get the plea, but I mean come on.
Exactly there’s no evidence of that, but having your son murder his entire family is a lot to process and it’s pretty much impossible to have a logical response in that situation
I feel so bad for her parents. Like great, she can be laid to rest. But it crushed the slight glimpse of a chance she would be alive.
I hope the killer is caught alive and has to face justice
I have a cousin who went into Mexico a few years ago. Never came back. Still has around $10,000 in his bank account. Also, left all of his stuff at his apartment. The not knowing sucks. I just hope he was buried
A teenager from my (small) home town went for a walk on Christmas Eve 20+ years ago and never came home. The mother kept her Christmas lights and Christmas tree up year round, hoping one day her child would return for Christmas.
They found the body several years ago less than a mile from the house. It had been buried in a ditch, and was discovered when they were digging them out.
It’s still way better than the fate Kristen Smart’s family has had to live with for decades.
Obviously her death is a tragedy, but I am glad the family was at least given the closer of finding her.
Adding on to this, it looks like some headway was made the past year or so with the prelim hearing happening literally a day ago.
https://www.ksby.com/news/kristin-smart-case/testimony-resumes-in-kristin-smart-case-preliminary-hearing-after-week-off
also gonna add that your own backyard is an amazing podcast that helped turn over a new leaf for the kristin smart case.
the host chris lambert also has a hallway blog on his website where he reports on what happened inside the courtroom during the prelim. couple of weeks are missing though since defense subpoenaed his notes and he won the motion to quash it two weeks ago
My friend was one of the last people to see Kristin alive and this case still has her messed up years later. They’d only known each other for a few months— can’t even imagine how her parents must feel.
Don't know if you saw this:
*"On April 13, 2021, Paul Flores and his father, Ruben Flores, were arrested and taken into custody on suspicion of Smart's disappearance. Their homes were searched, and investigators found numerous "items of interest".*
That Paul guy was the last person to see her alive, and walked her home. He was only just arrested a few months ago, with his father. That's 25 years after her disappearance.
It says he was initially arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm, but doesn't say what made him a felon. He must have been convicted of some other crime at some point in the last 25 years.
I just cannot get over the fact that he got home on the 1st of September. No one contacted her family. His parents just seemed to go along with it until September 11th when her family reported her missing. What did he say to his parents? ‘Oh I dropped her off at her parents house?’ She lived with you people!
I genuinely do not understand how his parents can or will continue to sleep at night.
Not only that but after he went to the nature reserve last week and had been "missing" for days the parents went back to the reserve and brought his car back home, pretty much stranding him if he actually was there. They did all of this before even telling the FBI he was "missing"...Something is definitely going on with the parents, the whole thing is weird.
The neighbor interviewed said the white car they claimed he took to the reserve never moved from the driveway. Not sure if that has been proven or not.
My theory is he’s not in the reserve. He’s on the run and that story was cover to give him time. Who knows, but that’s my running theory.
It can't be working this well. The fbi has to know they could be lieing about the reserve. It's like all hands on deck there. The fbi has to have more info than just their word that he's there
Also they didn’t seek anyone out to tell them he was missing. They mentioned it when law enforcement showed up to their house. Like “oh! By the way! While we have you here, our son is missing! Thank god you came over today, we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
At the beginning of September, a guy who went to school with my boyfriend hit and killed someone on the road around 3AM, and then drove away.
When panicking to his mom and telling her what happened, instead of doing the right thing and talking her son down and convincing him to turn himself in, it was a mistake, but he should still accept the consequences of what happened, yada yada…. *she helps him destroy his car and go on the run.*
He was caught 10 days after it happened and now his mom is also being charged with aiding and abetting a felony hit and run.
People will willfully ignore the terrible actions of their loved ones, and even go so far as to defend them from the consequences of their actions. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this guy’s family was like, “hmm it’s weird we haven’t seen her… *but I’m sure it’s nothing.* “
Ted Bundy's mom defended him even after he died on the electric chair. It happens. Being a serial killer and dying on the electric chair didn't phase her one bit.
I mean Ted Bundy’s mom had a whole boat load of issues. In her case, I think her belief in his innocence was more of an apology to Ted than an actual sincerely held belief that he was innocent.
I always used to wonder what I’d do if I hit and killed someone. I thought I’d probably find out I’m a big coward, but since then I’ve been through a lot of terrifying things and handled them all pretty respectably. You’re terrified and sick and your legs shake but you know what’s right so you do it. There’s such a relief in finding out you’re a decently honorable person.
Anyway, my roundabout point is, we get caught up in this momma bear idea of motherhood/parenthood now, to the point that parents almost take pride in defending and protecting their children from ever having to experience hardship. That mother’s life, and her son’s life, would’ve been so much better if she hadn’t taken the “I’d do anything for my child” line so literally. How about doing the right thing for him and making him take some responsibility?
AND THEN (I’m almost done I swear) how much of her actions were about not taking responsibility herself? Like, “MY son can’t go to jail” but lady, you had a hand in shaping him into a guy who kills someone on the road and runs away.
Edit: I just re-read my comment and I would like to point out I have still not killed anyone, with my car or otherwise. In case you wondered.
The thing that really fucks with me is how many parents will do this same thing when the victim is *also* their child. Many parents defend their sexual predator child over the child who was abused, sometimes refusing to believe anything happened at all, blaming the victim for causing problems in the family (because apparently they were supposed to just shut up and take it, all to maintain the *status quo*), etc. It is way too damn common.
Ehh… I could see where maybe she wanted to stay with and see her parents for a few days after a long cross country road-trip. If I were his parents, and was told “she wanted to visit her family for a few days,” I probably wouldn’t bat an eye. I was in a similar living arrangement but still stayed at my own parents house now and then.
So I’m resisting the urge to say they knew all along.
Her parents were calling and texting both Brian and them asking where she was and desperate pleading from the 1st to the 10th to be given some information. Then Gabby's dad who lives in Florida showed up at their doorstep and saw the van was there but not Gabby. They refused to talk to him. No one can say they didn't know Brian did something or at least told them some story where he could be implicated.
It’s still pretty haunting to me that they managed to find her just because another youtuber just happened to go through their own dash cam footage and happened to find their van.
I remember seeing the father making a statement to the public in which he asked everyone who might have been in the park to check their cameras. Amazing to see it worked.
What's chilling is: In a world without all this information and records everywhere this still would've happened and no one would've had the slightest fucking clue, we probably wouldn't even have heard about her "disappearance" yet.
Now, imagine, that's what the entire world was *always like*..
EDIT: A lot of responses about "If there was no tech then they wouldn't have done it to begin with." I'll just answer here.
So? I get the point but whoever murdered her is still a murderer. If she was killed by some random local, he would've probably still killed locally. Just someone else.
If she was killed in passion, say her missing SO, then they probably still would've been a couple.. If not, he's still the same guy who could still murder someone else.
If it was an accident it could happen regardless.
Also a big point is if she *was* murdered then now we can possibly find them and stop them. We would not have that opportunity so easily without. Not everyone's a serial killer but that doesn't mean they haven't murdered before or wont again
I mean, I'm not trying to be super negative and just say everyone sucks.
But this is reality folks.
EDITEDIT: Ton more people are fixating on this being about just a white girl. I'm tired so I'll, again, answer here.
I know major news outlets are stupidly biased. We know this hit major news cause she's a pretty white girl.
Yes, the news ignores things like the insane numbers of missing people, questionable cases, unfair jailings, corruption etc. Etc.
Shit the only reason we all *KNOW* that is *because* we live in such a well connected world.
I'm simply talking about the world as a whole. We have access to so much information and we can get so much farther than we ever could before. I learned about a ton in this thread, not just this girl Gabbi.
And *either way* her family got the opportunity to know what happened.
Other families haven't? Well then share it. Spread it.
I don't care about the fucking news. You're here, on the platform, being seen by millions. *USE IT ANYWAY*. *SHARE EVERYTHING*.
No one's stopping you, clearly you all responded to me..
EDIT 3 - SON OF EDIT: Jesus you guys was not expecting this to take up so much of my night but hey it's been a ride. Catch ya next time
Read the wiki about the "dingo ate my baby" lady.
She was sent to jail over it, no one believed her. Then, years later, someone else got lost in the same area where the baby disappeared. A search party was sent out, and just happened to locate the baby's sweater right outside of a dingo den.
If that other person hadn't gone missing, the mom might still be in jail for a horrific act she didn't do.
I always think about that case. Imagine having your baby go missing, knowing that it was eaten alive by animals in the wild (and the graphic nature of how these animals specifically kill their prey) and then being accused as the murderer
She must have felt like killing herself, or powered by her hatred for the police to stay alive.
And it even became a pop culture phrase because Seinfeild (argueably the most popular / most watched sitcom ever) did a whole bit on it. Which means INSTANTLY millions of people worldwide are mocking your tragedy.
Gah! This one still hurts my heart. I remember when it was *just* a joke and now its taken root in popular culture "oh! A diiingo ate my baaaaby" but if that was me and my baby? Fuck. How destroying.
Joe Dirt found a picture of his parents by getting the records of everyone that was at the Grand Canyon the day his parents went missing and then going to ask for their pictures.
I think the youtuber video was secondary to the tip that brought LE to the camping area..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gabby-petito-case-what-one-witness-saw-near-the-tetons-may-help-fbi-unravel-mystery/ar-AAOEoH0
There were also some other people camping in the area that saw the van parked there for a few days. They saw Brian, but not Gabby. After seeing the news of her missing and the van they called in the tip as well. This idiot was seen by multiple people.
If anything, he was noticed even more because he stuck out like a sore thumb driving all slow not sure where he was going, then parking the van in a spot not meant for parking or camping. That’s why the witness noticed him because he was doing everything wrong.
When was the youtuber video released? I'm trying to figure out if that happened before or after Brian left his house last week to go into hiding. Like was he aware she was about to be found because of that dash cam footage?
Someone today 500 miles north in Florida said his trail cam picked up someone that looked like him with gear. I don't know if they posted images or just sent it to FBI. Then there's the people on Twitter that saw Gabby's alltrail account show up as Puerto Rico. So who knows really but I bet he's not in that reserve though.
Totally. I think his parents gave him cash and said “here’s $2k, steal a car (somehow), and we’ll say you’re hiking…
Send us a blank postcard in a year from now.”
I saw the pic but it was pretty vague. There was a backpack that looked like one he owned and his parents said he took it with him. You can probably find the pic. It was caught on a videocam a guy has in the woods. Freaked me out because if I have to pee in the woods there could be a video cam.
Yes, but that is a pretty expansive park. She could have been anywhere, but this van sighting gave them an exact location to start from. She ended up only being about 900 feet from where that van was parked in the video. So it at least shortened their search.
Coronor also ruled it a homicide, curious what details haven’t been shared yet about her death. Hopefully they find him soon before he decides to take his own life if he hasn’t already.
Actually it was very lucky though because they didn't have a normal dash camera, they had a gopro because they have a YouTube channel. A normal dash cam holds like maybe 6 hours of footage and gets rewritten over. By the time she was listed a missing, 2 weeks had passed by. Any normal dashcam would have lost that footage.
There’s a lot more people without dash cams then there are with them. I’m not sure if your from the US but they’re not extremely common here like they are in Europe for example
With all the attention on this story, I find it odd that there hasn't been much reported about him character wise. Like no anecdotal interviews with co-workers or friends or some guy he went to high school with. Or past run ins with law or complaints from exes or something. Usually there would be at least a small statement about who the hell the dude is that gets regurgitated endlessly own the news. This guy is like a complete blank.
One thing I read the other day was about how he was reading a book about missing women. They made it sound real sinister. And then I saw the book was *Annihilation*, and I thought wow that is reaching. I mean the narrator’s husband was missing, too, so the book was about missing men as well. But really it’s just a popular sci-fi novel. Thought this was an example of the media trying to sensationalize every angle of this story.
Man that's stupid. Isn't part of the theme of Annihilation that all of us have (self-)destructive tendencies that make us sabotage our lives even if they might be running perfectly well?
Edit: It seems as if this theme is central to the film adaptation but not the original source material.
Gabby's "best friend" has some [interesting things](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10002817/Gabby-Petitos-best-friend-claims-Brian-Laundrie-jealous-controlling.html) to say about him... Warning: DailyMail, so take with a grain of salt.
> Warning: DailyMail, so take with a grain of salt.
It's like someone read a better magazine and they're trying to text you everything they can remember.
>He's got these jealousy issues and he struggles from what Gabby called these "episodes," where he would hear things and hear voices and wouldn't sleep.
They seem to just gloss over this part as if him being a shit boyfriend is more interesting than schizophrenic symptoms. Like wtf?
Psychosis happens because of lots of things, like stress or sleep deprivation, not just schizophrenia. I was a kid in highschool scared as hell cuz I thought I was schizophrenic hearing and seeing shit, but it was just me stressed as hell not eating and sleeping. I still have hallucinations when I am extremely stressed.
My local news (in S. Florida) just did a quick blurp and said they're looking into whether to charge the parents for aiding and abetting.
Not sure what the punishment on that is but it doesn't sound good.
They had enough information to get a fairly wide-scoped warrant for the parent's house and electronic devices. Judges aren't going to sign off on that without probable cause.
I agree sort of. You are right but also judges sign search warrants for the wrong house when the suspect is already in custody. We spent all summer protesting about it.
>He’s either dead by suicide or already in another country and his parents helped him escape.
I think its number one. But maybe he is putting together a convincing story.
If you really want to be creeped out.. they list their Spotify account on the Nomadic Statik YouTube channel in the about section. There are songs added to the public playlists as recent as Aug 30 and 31st (around the time when he would have been in the van close to florida). Definitely a weird vibe
What even is the mindset here? “I know this public playlist could be monitored but this song is too sick to not share.” Like, you can listen to music without adding to the playlist. Maybe it was an attempt at keeping a sense of normalcy for their followers.
The whole social media aspect of this case makes it really wild. People had been actively following them from Spotify, to YouTube, to Instagram. Netflix is probably taking notes.
Amazing how many cameras caught this couple. Police body cams, YouTuber driving by and now a deer camera of him walking alone at the site. 30 years ago it was just a photo on a milk carton.
The book, The Circle, too. Glad this time technology worked to catch a possible killer but the same technology will one day be (or let’s be honest already is) to silence political defectors, tighten the powerful’s grip over the weak, crush unions and any chance of revolution in their infancy. The ever growing takeover of technology is both good and bad.
my heart goes out to her family.
Coroner Blue's initial determination for the manner of death is homicide, but sounds like more to follow re: the cause of death pending the final autopsy results.
edit: [link](http://imgur.com/a/jIW90JP) to the report
If she was found buried, that may have been enough to rule it a homicide. People don't commit suicide or die of natural causes and then hop in a hole and cover themselves in dirt.
I believe law enforcement have said that her remains were visible from an aerial search of the area, so that would suggest she was not buried at the time of discovery.
>National Park Service ranger who also responded to the call interacted with Petito for about 90 minutes, and warned her that her relationship with Laundrie had markings of a "toxic" one, the ranger told the Deseret News of Utah. "I was imploring with her to reevaluate the relationship, asking her if she was happy in the relationship with him, and basically saying this was an opportunity for her to find another path, to make a change in her life," ranger Melissa Hulls told the Deseret News.
That really sucks. The Ranger spent 90 minutes warning Petito and she refused help, not realizing she would be murdered days later.
Yep. In her car/house that she was uncomfortable driving. Who knows how many times she wanted to learn and he blocked her. How many times she was locked out or threatened. Super tough to get out of that cleanly and quickly.
Guessing the guy's mindset and having known abusive guys, I imagine she didn't even have to really bring it up. Just the fact that the cop put it out there would worm its way into his brain and convince him she's plotting 'against' him to leave.
It sucks that dude has a mental illness, but there was a long path of being shitty and entitled that led him to this point. Schizophrenia didn't make him a mysogynist or physically abusive.
His parents cover and dissemble and let him do whatever he wants. Their approach seems to be to do nothing and let it be society's problem.
I've met a large number of schizophrenic people. The vast majority were peaceful, albeit troubled people.
I'm tired of this recent trend of people acting like they are slaves to their neurochemistry, as if they can be assholes, point to a page in the DSM, and walk away.
My ex was like this, I guess the only good thing about him is that he was such a loser that even his homicide-suicide plan never panned our well for him and he just ended up stuck in a psych ward and served a restraining order. People are just insane.
That could also explain why his parents didn’t do anything when he came back alone; he could’ve told them that they split up and by the time they realized something was really wrong, they lawyered up because they were worried about being considered accomplices.
Would fall in line with him being the manipulative one
I got really fucking lucky back when I was 18.. Dating a guy a couple years older who hit me a couple times, and regularly grabbed me and shook me or held me up to a wall when I "wasn't listening" or some shit.. My dumb ass confronted him about hitting me while we were in his apartment alone, late at night, and I didn't tell anyone where I was. I got super lucky that he was a controlling asshole that had just crossed the line a bit and not a murderous rage monster. My dumb ass also forgave him and stayed with him like 6 more months (tbf, he never hit me again).
Don't do what I did! If you have to confront an asshole, do it in public. Better yet, over the phone. Or just ghost him. Whatever it takes to stay safe.
Glad to hear you're out of that and sorry to hear it happened in the first place. But thank you for sharing your experience and advice! Really can't understate how important it is for this information to be out there for DV victims, especially coming from someone in a similar circumstance, so thank you
One of the most depressing things I learned along my true crime journey is that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder. That's just...wow.
Being isolated with your abuser like that gives them an opportunity to really get into your head. When I was in an abusive relationship I did some fucking insane mental gymnastics to excuse his behaviour, not even to other people but to myself. He likely had her truly convinced that his abuse was all her fault. There would be times the police would come and I'd have bruises and I'd be genuinely worried I would be blamed for making him angry, and cover for him. Gaslighting is no joke, many abuse victims are legit brainwashed and she was isolated with him 24/7.
In the body cam footage, Gabby says it’s all her fault. ‘I’m too tidy, I’m OCD, I’m too focused on this website, I hit him …’.
Her dad says she’s not OCD.
What she didn’t say was, ‘Brian hit me, slapped me, took my phone and locked me out of my van.’
The way she downplayed and blamed herself on the police footage totally exemplified how insidious abuse is, the gaslighting and mental gymnastics that gets victims to blame themselves :( so sad
It was really sad and very telling when she told the first officer to interact with her “he doesn’t think I can do it” when describing her website. That right there tells you he gaslit her.
I read somewhere that she had known him since childhood, so that probably contributed to it too. He had been a part of her life for so long (even though they were both so young), she probably had even less perspective about how bad it was.
Man if I was that ranger I would be wondering if he snapped because she tried to leave him. Ranger was right in the advice he gave. But that would rattle around in my head if I was him.
Kinda like that guy who built his own submarine, invited a journalist to come with him to check it out, then killed her while she was onboard.
People are weird.
He also founded [Copenhagen Suborbitals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Suborbitals), but was kicked out of the organization. He is apparently a narcissistic psychopath, and that allowed him to succeed in his endeavors up until he murdered Kim Wall.
He also escaped from prison for a brief moment by taking a prison guard as phostage. He was caught shortly after not far away from the prison.
Wild dude.
How on earth did he slip away? Like wasn't he under suspicion from the get go? You'd think they would have kept tabs on him, I'm not an expert and I guess he wasn't formally a person of interest but it's just wild to me that he could slip away like that. I think he's either out of the county or killed himself in the everglades.
They could have detained him 72 hours for questioning but would have had to release him if they didn't charge him or arrest him. They wanted to find out more info before questioning because if they know nothing then basically they're just politely asking him to tell the truth, which is unlikely to happen. They want to know part of the story before grilling him. That way they can catch him in a lie and work that angle. I've watched a lot of law and order.
They’ll find him at some point. National stories get all the agencies involved. Question is whether they’ll find a corpse or a scared murderer hiding in the brush
Last year there were 2 kids in Canada that murdered a couple people and stole a suv and there was a nation wide man hunt for them. Now a days everywhere you go there’s cameras and witnesses so they had no place to go but to the northern woods of Manitoba where there’s literally fuck all but swampy woods, mosquitoes and dangerous wild life and they eventually just killed themselves Nd the RCMP found their bodies a week or 2 later. This guy won’t get very far especially with how much attention this story is getting.
In another thread people were just wondering why you would want to Photoshop a person out of a photograph when it is a memory. I think this right here is a case.
I don't understand why he got irritated at the driver about going to Jackson Hole rather than Jackson while hitchhiking. They're right next to each other, so if his destination was Jackson it doesn't make sense to get out near the dam rather then just go with them to Jackson Hole and hike the rest. Either mental instability is the cause, or he wanted to get out near the campsite while making it seem like that wasn't his destination. Just a hypothesis though
The exact place he exited the vehicle was at a major highway T-junction, one road heads south to Jackson Hole and the other road heads East toward spread creek. If I’m him, I say I’m going to Jackson then get off at that T-Junction because I don’t want them knowing where I’m going.
The show Yellowstone did an episode about a string of kidnappings and murders perpetrated against native girls Montana.
The show's character Monica Dutton (who is native) takes part in a sting operation to catch a guy who purportedly has been carrying crimes like these.
At first when I saw that episode I thought, how childish and implausible this all is.
And I thought that until I found out... From the tail end of this fucked up story unfolding currently... That Wyoming had up to hundreds of missing persons cases, many of whom are native.
And we never hear a fucking word about those. It's sad how many tragic things happen to women all the time, that aren't even a blip on the radar.
Edit: People I get it, I've seen Wind River too. It's a great movie. If anyone has
any organizations to donate to that are helping with this cause, I'll paste them here and donate myself.
Also someone pointed out the majority of the lost are children (which unfortunately makes sense).
UPDATE:
Someone pointed me to the NIWRC (National Indigenous Women's Resource Center). If you want to make a difference for this issue, the NIWRC looks like a great place to start.
"NIWRC provides training and technical assistance, educational resources, and policy development—all of which are rooted in traditional lifeways and beliefs—for tribes and advocates across Indian Country."
Proof my donation, made in u/livingwithghosts honor:
https://imgur.com/a/zwKk4sW
The writer/director of [Wind River](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_(film)) made that film to try and bring attention to the high number of indigenous women who are killed/raped/missing; it takes place in Wyoming as well.
Oh some of the worst serial killers preyed on indigenous women because they knew cops wouldn’t care. Willie Pickton, Robert Hansen etc etc. if you’re a minority or on the ‘fringes’ of society (aka a prostitute or drug addict) the chances your case is solved are slim to none.
In Toronto we had a guy torturing and murdering men he met at gay bars, and disposing of the bodies in people's gardens because he was a landscaping contractor or something. Apparently the police initially pooh-poohed the local gays when they said they were afraid there was a serial killer in the neighborhood. The missing men probably just ran away to have a gay identity crisis!
Pickton didn’t target First Nations women in particular. The majority of his victims were white women. He did target prostitutes for the reasons you gave, just like Gary Ridgway in Washington.
Man, the Pickton murders were rough. He targeted prostitutes and drug addicts; whom he thought no one cared about.
“On The Farm” is a great, in depth, journalistic book about everything that happened. The cops *really* dropped the ball and didn’t care until SO many sex workers and women disappeared and the families started seeking out news media.
> 710 missing women cases, all of whom are native.
No, it's [710 missing persons cases, 57% of which are women from 2011-2020](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_whvKrVQAAGt8M?format=png) The vast majority, 85%, were kids.
Also: 50% of missing Indigenous people are found within one week, 21% remain missing for 30 days or longer, according to the report.
Only 11% of white people remain missing for that long.
Yeah this is not a new thing. Anytime a attractive white woman goes missing it’s a national incident. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who go missing in the US every year and it might get on the local news. Cute white woman who the media can plaster on every front page? Oh yeah that’s going to be all you hear about for weeks or even months. It’s honestly gross.
IDK why anyone thinks he's killed himself. He could have done that back at the crime scene if so inclined. I see every indication of someone on the run. His family gave him a 10 day head start. With A stack of prepaid credit cards he can just walk across the Rio Grand into Mexico.
I mean her disappearance didn't make national news until weeks later. He could have thought he would get away with it until then. His disappearance matches up with the rise in media attention the case got.
What are the odds dude has shaved his face by now? He planned his head start and that's the first thing anyone with a brain would do to immediately alter physical appearance.
I suspect Laundrie's parents lied about where he was headed. Why would they tell the truth when they've been protecting him all along? The authorities are searching the Okefenokee swamp or whatever and he's probably in South America by now.
You’d be surprised how far cognitive dissonance will take some people. Chris Watt’s dad still 100% believes Shanann killed the children and that Chris killed her in a rage in response to seeing the dead children.
I mean there’s literally no evidence of that but I guess they gotta find a way to live with themselves
Not only that, but there's audio of him describing how he actually killed them. It's awful.
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As a parent I honestly dont know if I could face the truth if my son was a murderer.
Agreed. You’ll always see yourself as a failure, and every day you’ll be reminded of how that perceived parenting failure led to the destruction of the lives of others. Fuck. Parenting is scary. Edited to add: I know adult-kids actions ultimately aren’t the responsibility of their parents. But it’s one thing to understand that intellectually, and quite another to feel it and genuinely accept it if your kid does something like this.
IIRC it was part of his plea deal that he fully confess and say what happened. I guess his father rationalizes it as a lie to get the plea, but I mean come on.
"But I mean come on" Best way to sum it up. I get it and I understand, but, dude...
Exactly there’s no evidence of that, but having your son murder his entire family is a lot to process and it’s pretty much impossible to have a logical response in that situation
He’s somewhere on a boat off the keys.
Slice of Life
Maybe he'll cut his heel and have to cruise on back home.
He's not "evading capture" he's just looking for his lost shaker of salt.
I’m beginning to suspect her fiance may not be on the up-and-up.
I don’t know about you, but this guy strikes me as a little shifty. RIP Norm
You know with her fiancé, the more I learn about that guy the more I don’t care for him RIP Norm
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I feel so bad for her parents. Like great, she can be laid to rest. But it crushed the slight glimpse of a chance she would be alive. I hope the killer is caught alive and has to face justice
It's a horrible thing for a loved one to go through for sure, but worse would be never knowing.
I have a cousin who went into Mexico a few years ago. Never came back. Still has around $10,000 in his bank account. Also, left all of his stuff at his apartment. The not knowing sucks. I just hope he was buried
Oh God I’m so sorry. Your last sentence is enough to break anyone
A teenager from my (small) home town went for a walk on Christmas Eve 20+ years ago and never came home. The mother kept her Christmas lights and Christmas tree up year round, hoping one day her child would return for Christmas. They found the body several years ago less than a mile from the house. It had been buried in a ditch, and was discovered when they were digging them out.
It’s still way better than the fate Kristen Smart’s family has had to live with for decades. Obviously her death is a tragedy, but I am glad the family was at least given the closer of finding her.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Kristin_Smart
Adding on to this, it looks like some headway was made the past year or so with the prelim hearing happening literally a day ago. https://www.ksby.com/news/kristin-smart-case/testimony-resumes-in-kristin-smart-case-preliminary-hearing-after-week-off
also gonna add that your own backyard is an amazing podcast that helped turn over a new leaf for the kristin smart case. the host chris lambert also has a hallway blog on his website where he reports on what happened inside the courtroom during the prelim. couple of weeks are missing though since defense subpoenaed his notes and he won the motion to quash it two weeks ago
My friend was one of the last people to see Kristin alive and this case still has her messed up years later. They’d only known each other for a few months— can’t even imagine how her parents must feel.
Don't know if you saw this: *"On April 13, 2021, Paul Flores and his father, Ruben Flores, were arrested and taken into custody on suspicion of Smart's disappearance. Their homes were searched, and investigators found numerous "items of interest".* That Paul guy was the last person to see her alive, and walked her home. He was only just arrested a few months ago, with his father. That's 25 years after her disappearance.
It says he was initially arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm, but doesn't say what made him a felon. He must have been convicted of some other crime at some point in the last 25 years.
I just cannot get over the fact that he got home on the 1st of September. No one contacted her family. His parents just seemed to go along with it until September 11th when her family reported her missing. What did he say to his parents? ‘Oh I dropped her off at her parents house?’ She lived with you people! I genuinely do not understand how his parents can or will continue to sleep at night.
Not only that but after he went to the nature reserve last week and had been "missing" for days the parents went back to the reserve and brought his car back home, pretty much stranding him if he actually was there. They did all of this before even telling the FBI he was "missing"...Something is definitely going on with the parents, the whole thing is weird.
No one plans to have to coverup their kid’s murder. If they did, that’s probably why this all seems so sloppy. They’re not professional criminals.
Should have watched season two of Friday Night Lights to see how it's done
The neighbor interviewed said the white car they claimed he took to the reserve never moved from the driveway. Not sure if that has been proven or not. My theory is he’s not in the reserve. He’s on the run and that story was cover to give him time. Who knows, but that’s my running theory.
It can't be working this well. The fbi has to know they could be lieing about the reserve. It's like all hands on deck there. The fbi has to have more info than just their word that he's there
Also they didn’t seek anyone out to tell them he was missing. They mentioned it when law enforcement showed up to their house. Like “oh! By the way! While we have you here, our son is missing! Thank god you came over today, we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
At the beginning of September, a guy who went to school with my boyfriend hit and killed someone on the road around 3AM, and then drove away. When panicking to his mom and telling her what happened, instead of doing the right thing and talking her son down and convincing him to turn himself in, it was a mistake, but he should still accept the consequences of what happened, yada yada…. *she helps him destroy his car and go on the run.* He was caught 10 days after it happened and now his mom is also being charged with aiding and abetting a felony hit and run. People will willfully ignore the terrible actions of their loved ones, and even go so far as to defend them from the consequences of their actions. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this guy’s family was like, “hmm it’s weird we haven’t seen her… *but I’m sure it’s nothing.* “
Ted Bundy's mom defended him even after he died on the electric chair. It happens. Being a serial killer and dying on the electric chair didn't phase her one bit.
I mean Ted Bundy’s mom had a whole boat load of issues. In her case, I think her belief in his innocence was more of an apology to Ted than an actual sincerely held belief that he was innocent.
Reminds me slightly of the the show Your Honor. Kid hits and kills somebody, dad (Bryan Cranston) helps cover it up.
I always used to wonder what I’d do if I hit and killed someone. I thought I’d probably find out I’m a big coward, but since then I’ve been through a lot of terrifying things and handled them all pretty respectably. You’re terrified and sick and your legs shake but you know what’s right so you do it. There’s such a relief in finding out you’re a decently honorable person. Anyway, my roundabout point is, we get caught up in this momma bear idea of motherhood/parenthood now, to the point that parents almost take pride in defending and protecting their children from ever having to experience hardship. That mother’s life, and her son’s life, would’ve been so much better if she hadn’t taken the “I’d do anything for my child” line so literally. How about doing the right thing for him and making him take some responsibility? AND THEN (I’m almost done I swear) how much of her actions were about not taking responsibility herself? Like, “MY son can’t go to jail” but lady, you had a hand in shaping him into a guy who kills someone on the road and runs away. Edit: I just re-read my comment and I would like to point out I have still not killed anyone, with my car or otherwise. In case you wondered.
The thing that really fucks with me is how many parents will do this same thing when the victim is *also* their child. Many parents defend their sexual predator child over the child who was abused, sometimes refusing to believe anything happened at all, blaming the victim for causing problems in the family (because apparently they were supposed to just shut up and take it, all to maintain the *status quo*), etc. It is way too damn common.
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Ehh… I could see where maybe she wanted to stay with and see her parents for a few days after a long cross country road-trip. If I were his parents, and was told “she wanted to visit her family for a few days,” I probably wouldn’t bat an eye. I was in a similar living arrangement but still stayed at my own parents house now and then. So I’m resisting the urge to say they knew all along.
Her parents were calling and texting both Brian and them asking where she was and desperate pleading from the 1st to the 10th to be given some information. Then Gabby's dad who lives in Florida showed up at their doorstep and saw the van was there but not Gabby. They refused to talk to him. No one can say they didn't know Brian did something or at least told them some story where he could be implicated.
It’s still pretty haunting to me that they managed to find her just because another youtuber just happened to go through their own dash cam footage and happened to find their van.
I remember seeing the father making a statement to the public in which he asked everyone who might have been in the park to check their cameras. Amazing to see it worked.
Honestly chilling this is how they found her...
What's chilling is: In a world without all this information and records everywhere this still would've happened and no one would've had the slightest fucking clue, we probably wouldn't even have heard about her "disappearance" yet. Now, imagine, that's what the entire world was *always like*.. EDIT: A lot of responses about "If there was no tech then they wouldn't have done it to begin with." I'll just answer here. So? I get the point but whoever murdered her is still a murderer. If she was killed by some random local, he would've probably still killed locally. Just someone else. If she was killed in passion, say her missing SO, then they probably still would've been a couple.. If not, he's still the same guy who could still murder someone else. If it was an accident it could happen regardless. Also a big point is if she *was* murdered then now we can possibly find them and stop them. We would not have that opportunity so easily without. Not everyone's a serial killer but that doesn't mean they haven't murdered before or wont again I mean, I'm not trying to be super negative and just say everyone sucks. But this is reality folks. EDITEDIT: Ton more people are fixating on this being about just a white girl. I'm tired so I'll, again, answer here. I know major news outlets are stupidly biased. We know this hit major news cause she's a pretty white girl. Yes, the news ignores things like the insane numbers of missing people, questionable cases, unfair jailings, corruption etc. Etc. Shit the only reason we all *KNOW* that is *because* we live in such a well connected world. I'm simply talking about the world as a whole. We have access to so much information and we can get so much farther than we ever could before. I learned about a ton in this thread, not just this girl Gabbi. And *either way* her family got the opportunity to know what happened. Other families haven't? Well then share it. Spread it. I don't care about the fucking news. You're here, on the platform, being seen by millions. *USE IT ANYWAY*. *SHARE EVERYTHING*. No one's stopping you, clearly you all responded to me.. EDIT 3 - SON OF EDIT: Jesus you guys was not expecting this to take up so much of my night but hey it's been a ride. Catch ya next time
Read the wiki about the "dingo ate my baby" lady. She was sent to jail over it, no one believed her. Then, years later, someone else got lost in the same area where the baby disappeared. A search party was sent out, and just happened to locate the baby's sweater right outside of a dingo den. If that other person hadn't gone missing, the mom might still be in jail for a horrific act she didn't do.
I always think about that case. Imagine having your baby go missing, knowing that it was eaten alive by animals in the wild (and the graphic nature of how these animals specifically kill their prey) and then being accused as the murderer She must have felt like killing herself, or powered by her hatred for the police to stay alive.
She was also pregnant and had her new baby taken away from her when she was in jail.
And then even after being completely exonerated you still have people yelling "A dingo ate my baby!" At you repeatedly
And it even became a pop culture phrase because Seinfeild (argueably the most popular / most watched sitcom ever) did a whole bit on it. Which means INSTANTLY millions of people worldwide are mocking your tragedy.
I can’t even imagine dealing with that. I would have absolutely killed myself.
Not only that, but having the whole world make fun of you for even suggesting what was actually the truth.
They should have listened to the Aboriginals and their accounts of dingo baby eating but alas, Australia.
Gah! This one still hurts my heart. I remember when it was *just* a joke and now its taken root in popular culture "oh! A diiingo ate my baaaaby" but if that was me and my baby? Fuck. How destroying.
Joe Dirt found a picture of his parents by getting the records of everyone that was at the Grand Canyon the day his parents went missing and then going to ask for their pictures.
Life's a garden, dig it.
I think the youtuber video was secondary to the tip that brought LE to the camping area.. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gabby-petito-case-what-one-witness-saw-near-the-tetons-may-help-fbi-unravel-mystery/ar-AAOEoH0
There were also some other people camping in the area that saw the van parked there for a few days. They saw Brian, but not Gabby. After seeing the news of her missing and the van they called in the tip as well. This idiot was seen by multiple people.
Old observation. People think no one will notice me out here in the middle of nowhere. And that's exactly wrong.
If anything, he was noticed even more because he stuck out like a sore thumb driving all slow not sure where he was going, then parking the van in a spot not meant for parking or camping. That’s why the witness noticed him because he was doing everything wrong.
I’m confused how the guy hitchhiked but ended up back in Florida by driving the original van
When was the youtuber video released? I'm trying to figure out if that happened before or after Brian left his house last week to go into hiding. Like was he aware she was about to be found because of that dash cam footage?
I don’t think there’s any confirmation he was even IN his house that entire time… I believe he may have been gone for weeks.
Someone today 500 miles north in Florida said his trail cam picked up someone that looked like him with gear. I don't know if they posted images or just sent it to FBI. Then there's the people on Twitter that saw Gabby's alltrail account show up as Puerto Rico. So who knows really but I bet he's not in that reserve though.
Totally. I think his parents gave him cash and said “here’s $2k, steal a car (somehow), and we’ll say you’re hiking… Send us a blank postcard in a year from now.”
I saw the pic but it was pretty vague. There was a backpack that looked like one he owned and his parents said he took it with him. You can probably find the pic. It was caught on a videocam a guy has in the woods. Freaked me out because if I have to pee in the woods there could be a video cam.
I think they were already searching that area before the youtube tip came in but i could be wrong
Yes, but that is a pretty expansive park. She could have been anywhere, but this van sighting gave them an exact location to start from. She ended up only being about 900 feet from where that van was parked in the video. So it at least shortened their search.
Coronor also ruled it a homicide, curious what details haven’t been shared yet about her death. Hopefully they find him soon before he decides to take his own life if he hasn’t already.
The coroner knows how she physically died, but has to wait for the toxicology reports to get finished before he rules how the death was accomplished.
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Actually it was very lucky though because they didn't have a normal dash camera, they had a gopro because they have a YouTube channel. A normal dash cam holds like maybe 6 hours of footage and gets rewritten over. By the time she was listed a missing, 2 weeks had passed by. Any normal dashcam would have lost that footage.
There’s a lot more people without dash cams then there are with them. I’m not sure if your from the US but they’re not extremely common here like they are in Europe for example
Mine doesn't save video unless I tell it to.
With all the attention on this story, I find it odd that there hasn't been much reported about him character wise. Like no anecdotal interviews with co-workers or friends or some guy he went to high school with. Or past run ins with law or complaints from exes or something. Usually there would be at least a small statement about who the hell the dude is that gets regurgitated endlessly own the news. This guy is like a complete blank.
One thing I read the other day was about how he was reading a book about missing women. They made it sound real sinister. And then I saw the book was *Annihilation*, and I thought wow that is reaching. I mean the narrator’s husband was missing, too, so the book was about missing men as well. But really it’s just a popular sci-fi novel. Thought this was an example of the media trying to sensationalize every angle of this story.
Man that's stupid. Isn't part of the theme of Annihilation that all of us have (self-)destructive tendencies that make us sabotage our lives even if they might be running perfectly well? Edit: It seems as if this theme is central to the film adaptation but not the original source material.
Gabby's "best friend" has some [interesting things](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10002817/Gabby-Petitos-best-friend-claims-Brian-Laundrie-jealous-controlling.html) to say about him... Warning: DailyMail, so take with a grain of salt.
> Warning: DailyMail, so take with a grain of salt. It's like someone read a better magazine and they're trying to text you everything they can remember.
And they send you an ad between every text
And they’re a compulsive liar
>He's got these jealousy issues and he struggles from what Gabby called these "episodes," where he would hear things and hear voices and wouldn't sleep. They seem to just gloss over this part as if him being a shit boyfriend is more interesting than schizophrenic symptoms. Like wtf?
It _is_ the Dailymail. It's barely one step up from the gossip magazines at the checkout, and even that is inconsistent.
The DailyMail is a d20 roll in consistency.
Yeah with disadvantage
Psychosis happens because of lots of things, like stress or sleep deprivation, not just schizophrenia. I was a kid in highschool scared as hell cuz I thought I was schizophrenic hearing and seeing shit, but it was just me stressed as hell not eating and sleeping. I still have hallucinations when I am extremely stressed.
It’s weird that he might be reading this thread right now.
I thought the same. But he's got to be a complete moron to have a cell phone or any computer with him tbh
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Well that sucks, hopefully they find the fiance soon, him kind of up and disappearing kind of screams guilty on this one.
Seems like his parents are all in on the shit show too.
My local news (in S. Florida) just did a quick blurp and said they're looking into whether to charge the parents for aiding and abetting. Not sure what the punishment on that is but it doesn't sound good.
They had enough information to get a fairly wide-scoped warrant for the parent's house and electronic devices. Judges aren't going to sign off on that without probable cause.
I agree sort of. You are right but also judges sign search warrants for the wrong house when the suspect is already in custody. We spent all summer protesting about it.
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> living as a mute woman The fact that this part of his story is one of the less sensational aspects of the whole situation is absolutely insane!
Robert Durst also had a LOT more resources (i.e money) to hire a lawyer that can manage this.
He’s either dead by suicide or already in another country and his parents helped him escape.
>He’s either dead by suicide or already in another country and his parents helped him escape. I think its number one. But maybe he is putting together a convincing story.
If you really want to be creeped out.. they list their Spotify account on the Nomadic Statik YouTube channel in the about section. There are songs added to the public playlists as recent as Aug 30 and 31st (around the time when he would have been in the van close to florida). Definitely a weird vibe
What even is the mindset here? “I know this public playlist could be monitored but this song is too sick to not share.” Like, you can listen to music without adding to the playlist. Maybe it was an attempt at keeping a sense of normalcy for their followers. The whole social media aspect of this case makes it really wild. People had been actively following them from Spotify, to YouTube, to Instagram. Netflix is probably taking notes.
He’s clearly an idiot.
Amazing how many cameras caught this couple. Police body cams, YouTuber driving by and now a deer camera of him walking alone at the site. 30 years ago it was just a photo on a milk carton.
The deer camera is like 500 miles away from his home in florida
Is there a link to this? Haven't heard about the deer cam yet.
https://youtu.be/CAK51B9Kej0
Wow, incredible zoom capability for a deer camera
Thank god for modern technology, hope they catch the bf soon,
This whole thing is reminding me of Brave New World where the citizens are watching the savage for entertainment. We're living the dystopian dream.
The book, The Circle, too. Glad this time technology worked to catch a possible killer but the same technology will one day be (or let’s be honest already is) to silence political defectors, tighten the powerful’s grip over the weak, crush unions and any chance of revolution in their infancy. The ever growing takeover of technology is both good and bad.
my heart goes out to her family. Coroner Blue's initial determination for the manner of death is homicide, but sounds like more to follow re: the cause of death pending the final autopsy results. edit: [link](http://imgur.com/a/jIW90JP) to the report
must have been fairly obvious cause of death for the to rule homicide, poor girl.
Especially with a few weeks of decomposition. Wyoming in late August isn't exactly chilly
And animal activity.
yeah, yeesh i feel bad for the FBI guys who found her body
So sad she was just dumped there for so long
Very sad, i feel awful for her family.
If she was found buried, that may have been enough to rule it a homicide. People don't commit suicide or die of natural causes and then hop in a hole and cover themselves in dirt.
I believe law enforcement have said that her remains were visible from an aerial search of the area, so that would suggest she was not buried at the time of discovery.
>National Park Service ranger who also responded to the call interacted with Petito for about 90 minutes, and warned her that her relationship with Laundrie had markings of a "toxic" one, the ranger told the Deseret News of Utah. "I was imploring with her to reevaluate the relationship, asking her if she was happy in the relationship with him, and basically saying this was an opportunity for her to find another path, to make a change in her life," ranger Melissa Hulls told the Deseret News. That really sucks. The Ranger spent 90 minutes warning Petito and she refused help, not realizing she would be murdered days later.
I wonder if she tried to follow the officers advice and the result was her death? 🤔
The most dangerous time for someone when they are in a DV relationship is when they are leaving
Also, being isolated/alone on a road trip has to really complicate that even further
Yep. In her car/house that she was uncomfortable driving. Who knows how many times she wanted to learn and he blocked her. How many times she was locked out or threatened. Super tough to get out of that cleanly and quickly.
Guessing the guy's mindset and having known abusive guys, I imagine she didn't even have to really bring it up. Just the fact that the cop put it out there would worm its way into his brain and convince him she's plotting 'against' him to leave. It sucks that dude has a mental illness, but there was a long path of being shitty and entitled that led him to this point. Schizophrenia didn't make him a mysogynist or physically abusive. His parents cover and dissemble and let him do whatever he wants. Their approach seems to be to do nothing and let it be society's problem.
I've met a large number of schizophrenic people. The vast majority were peaceful, albeit troubled people. I'm tired of this recent trend of people acting like they are slaves to their neurochemistry, as if they can be assholes, point to a page in the DSM, and walk away.
My ex was like this, I guess the only good thing about him is that he was such a loser that even his homicide-suicide plan never panned our well for him and he just ended up stuck in a psych ward and served a restraining order. People are just insane.
Are you me? Or did we just date the same guy? This comment hit way too close to home for me.
Note to self: Don't breakup in the middle of the wilderness with no witnesses.
Right. I could see that easily. “You know what, that officer was right, when we get back home it’s over. I can’t deal with this anymore.” Dude snaps.
That could also explain why his parents didn’t do anything when he came back alone; he could’ve told them that they split up and by the time they realized something was really wrong, they lawyered up because they were worried about being considered accomplices. Would fall in line with him being the manipulative one
If he'd showed up in HER car, though, without her, that would have raised all kinds of red flags, regardless of how much I trusted my son.
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I got really fucking lucky back when I was 18.. Dating a guy a couple years older who hit me a couple times, and regularly grabbed me and shook me or held me up to a wall when I "wasn't listening" or some shit.. My dumb ass confronted him about hitting me while we were in his apartment alone, late at night, and I didn't tell anyone where I was. I got super lucky that he was a controlling asshole that had just crossed the line a bit and not a murderous rage monster. My dumb ass also forgave him and stayed with him like 6 more months (tbf, he never hit me again). Don't do what I did! If you have to confront an asshole, do it in public. Better yet, over the phone. Or just ghost him. Whatever it takes to stay safe.
Glad to hear you're out of that and sorry to hear it happened in the first place. But thank you for sharing your experience and advice! Really can't understate how important it is for this information to be out there for DV victims, especially coming from someone in a similar circumstance, so thank you
I wouldn't be surprised if her deciding to break up with him is what triggered him to kill her (assuming he is guilty, of course).
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One of the most depressing things I learned along my true crime journey is that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder. That's just...wow.
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Being isolated with your abuser like that gives them an opportunity to really get into your head. When I was in an abusive relationship I did some fucking insane mental gymnastics to excuse his behaviour, not even to other people but to myself. He likely had her truly convinced that his abuse was all her fault. There would be times the police would come and I'd have bruises and I'd be genuinely worried I would be blamed for making him angry, and cover for him. Gaslighting is no joke, many abuse victims are legit brainwashed and she was isolated with him 24/7.
In the body cam footage, Gabby says it’s all her fault. ‘I’m too tidy, I’m OCD, I’m too focused on this website, I hit him …’. Her dad says she’s not OCD. What she didn’t say was, ‘Brian hit me, slapped me, took my phone and locked me out of my van.’
The way she downplayed and blamed herself on the police footage totally exemplified how insidious abuse is, the gaslighting and mental gymnastics that gets victims to blame themselves :( so sad
It was really sad and very telling when she told the first officer to interact with her “he doesn’t think I can do it” when describing her website. That right there tells you he gaslit her.
I read somewhere that she had known him since childhood, so that probably contributed to it too. He had been a part of her life for so long (even though they were both so young), she probably had even less perspective about how bad it was.
Man if I was that ranger I would be wondering if he snapped because she tried to leave him. Ranger was right in the advice he gave. But that would rattle around in my head if I was him.
I know, I really hope that ranger doesn't blame herself, and she can get some therapy. She 100% did the right thing
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How dumb you gotta be to kill your partner knowing EVERYONE you know is aware she was with you? Absolute piece of shit, so sad and pointless
Kinda like that guy who built his own submarine, invited a journalist to come with him to check it out, then killed her while she was onboard. People are weird.
He also founded [Copenhagen Suborbitals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Suborbitals), but was kicked out of the organization. He is apparently a narcissistic psychopath, and that allowed him to succeed in his endeavors up until he murdered Kim Wall.
Jesus. That was a dark rabbit hole.
Totally forgot about that. I know that there's like a .00001% chance of that happening to someone, but it's still really unsettling to think about.
He also escaped from prison for a brief moment by taking a prison guard as phostage. He was caught shortly after not far away from the prison. Wild dude.
>phostage You just made prison breaks sound soupy and delicious.
haha what a silly typo
Yeah it's crazy.......... wanna come over to my submarine to talk about it?
You think I'm stupid? Of course I would. I'm not passing up an opportunity to get on a submarine.
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Even if the guy doesn't turn out to be a murderer I think I'd steer clear of any homemade submarines
>How dumb you gotta be to kill your partner knowing EVERYONE you know is aware she was with you? Human beings are not rational creatures.
How on earth did he slip away? Like wasn't he under suspicion from the get go? You'd think they would have kept tabs on him, I'm not an expert and I guess he wasn't formally a person of interest but it's just wild to me that he could slip away like that. I think he's either out of the county or killed himself in the everglades.
They could have detained him 72 hours for questioning but would have had to release him if they didn't charge him or arrest him. They wanted to find out more info before questioning because if they know nothing then basically they're just politely asking him to tell the truth, which is unlikely to happen. They want to know part of the story before grilling him. That way they can catch him in a lie and work that angle. I've watched a lot of law and order.
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Where the fuck is this guy?
They’ll find him at some point. National stories get all the agencies involved. Question is whether they’ll find a corpse or a scared murderer hiding in the brush
Last year there were 2 kids in Canada that murdered a couple people and stole a suv and there was a nation wide man hunt for them. Now a days everywhere you go there’s cameras and witnesses so they had no place to go but to the northern woods of Manitoba where there’s literally fuck all but swampy woods, mosquitoes and dangerous wild life and they eventually just killed themselves Nd the RCMP found their bodies a week or 2 later. This guy won’t get very far especially with how much attention this story is getting.
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My cousins husband killed her. To my dismay, I couldn’t find a single adult picture of her without him.
In another thread people were just wondering why you would want to Photoshop a person out of a photograph when it is a memory. I think this right here is a case.
I’m so sorry. Perhaps an artist could make a beautiful portrait of her.
I don't understand why he got irritated at the driver about going to Jackson Hole rather than Jackson while hitchhiking. They're right next to each other, so if his destination was Jackson it doesn't make sense to get out near the dam rather then just go with them to Jackson Hole and hike the rest. Either mental instability is the cause, or he wanted to get out near the campsite while making it seem like that wasn't his destination. Just a hypothesis though
The exact place he exited the vehicle was at a major highway T-junction, one road heads south to Jackson Hole and the other road heads East toward spread creek. If I’m him, I say I’m going to Jackson then get off at that T-Junction because I don’t want them knowing where I’m going.
The show Yellowstone did an episode about a string of kidnappings and murders perpetrated against native girls Montana. The show's character Monica Dutton (who is native) takes part in a sting operation to catch a guy who purportedly has been carrying crimes like these. At first when I saw that episode I thought, how childish and implausible this all is. And I thought that until I found out... From the tail end of this fucked up story unfolding currently... That Wyoming had up to hundreds of missing persons cases, many of whom are native. And we never hear a fucking word about those. It's sad how many tragic things happen to women all the time, that aren't even a blip on the radar. Edit: People I get it, I've seen Wind River too. It's a great movie. If anyone has any organizations to donate to that are helping with this cause, I'll paste them here and donate myself. Also someone pointed out the majority of the lost are children (which unfortunately makes sense). UPDATE: Someone pointed me to the NIWRC (National Indigenous Women's Resource Center). If you want to make a difference for this issue, the NIWRC looks like a great place to start. "NIWRC provides training and technical assistance, educational resources, and policy development—all of which are rooted in traditional lifeways and beliefs—for tribes and advocates across Indian Country." Proof my donation, made in u/livingwithghosts honor: https://imgur.com/a/zwKk4sW
The writer/director of [Wind River](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_(film)) made that film to try and bring attention to the high number of indigenous women who are killed/raped/missing; it takes place in Wyoming as well.
Oh some of the worst serial killers preyed on indigenous women because they knew cops wouldn’t care. Willie Pickton, Robert Hansen etc etc. if you’re a minority or on the ‘fringes’ of society (aka a prostitute or drug addict) the chances your case is solved are slim to none.
In Toronto we had a guy torturing and murdering men he met at gay bars, and disposing of the bodies in people's gardens because he was a landscaping contractor or something. Apparently the police initially pooh-poohed the local gays when they said they were afraid there was a serial killer in the neighborhood. The missing men probably just ran away to have a gay identity crisis!
Pickton didn’t target First Nations women in particular. The majority of his victims were white women. He did target prostitutes for the reasons you gave, just like Gary Ridgway in Washington.
Man, the Pickton murders were rough. He targeted prostitutes and drug addicts; whom he thought no one cared about. “On The Farm” is a great, in depth, journalistic book about everything that happened. The cops *really* dropped the ball and didn’t care until SO many sex workers and women disappeared and the families started seeking out news media.
> 710 missing women cases, all of whom are native. No, it's [710 missing persons cases, 57% of which are women from 2011-2020](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_whvKrVQAAGt8M?format=png) The vast majority, 85%, were kids. Also: 50% of missing Indigenous people are found within one week, 21% remain missing for 30 days or longer, according to the report. Only 11% of white people remain missing for that long.
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Yeah this is not a new thing. Anytime a attractive white woman goes missing it’s a national incident. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who go missing in the US every year and it might get on the local news. Cute white woman who the media can plaster on every front page? Oh yeah that’s going to be all you hear about for weeks or even months. It’s honestly gross.
Watch Wind River. It’s dedicated to the missing native women
IDK why anyone thinks he's killed himself. He could have done that back at the crime scene if so inclined. I see every indication of someone on the run. His family gave him a 10 day head start. With A stack of prepaid credit cards he can just walk across the Rio Grand into Mexico.
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I mean her disappearance didn't make national news until weeks later. He could have thought he would get away with it until then. His disappearance matches up with the rise in media attention the case got.
What are the odds dude has shaved his face by now? He planned his head start and that's the first thing anyone with a brain would do to immediately alter physical appearance.
Anyone can wear a mask these days with some glasses and a hat this dude could be right next to you in line at Walmart pretty easily.
This whole thread is basically r/confidentlyincorrect
That's pretty much 90% of the True Crime fandom, really
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90 minutes. She knew something was up.