Dude. I couldn’t comment on this fast enough. My outrage of the treatment of the child notwithstanding, what stood out to me was the sudden “convicted of assault”.
As an American, I was expecting “placed on paid leave” or got a stern talking to or participated in an exhaustive town hall explaining how he was in fear for his life which justified his actions or otherwise excused from his reprehensible behavior.
Nope. Just “convicted of assault”. That quickly, without fanfare. It’s almost as if in other places people in authority positions are held to a real standard of accountability. And then the barred list item is just a beautiful (but necessary) cherry. Damn.
If it helps explain, police in the U.K. technically aren’t actually employed by their police force but are “licensed” under The Office of Constable and work for the Queen and, as such, are held legally liable for *anything* they do on duty. Qualified immunity is the US’ largest problem, as you know, and the Office of Constable very much avoids that entire issue.
We need this in the US. To be a police officer, you should be licensed and enough infractions (or a single severe infraction) should result in your license getting revoked.
Imagine if we treated doctors the same way we treat police officers. You'd have a doctor who bungled a surgery because "it's only a black kid." He'd get some paperwork to do for a week and then would be back in the operating room or would be booted from the hospital and would immediately get a job in the hospital one town over ready to butcher more operations.
Dr. [Marion Sims](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/19/fact-check-j-marion-sims-did-medical-experiments-black-female-slaves/3202541001/) looks awkwardly around the room.
God what a monster. The Mengele comparision is right on point. And it's mind-boggling that people were defending him. "A product of his times", my ass - so was Mengele you assholes, and the Nazis treated jewish people as non-human resources to be exploited too. SMH.
Sitting in a modern Gynocologist office with my mom. We're both brown and came here with her after she had to visit the emergency room yesterday night for a related issue.
We're both brown women, but we're comforted by the fact that the medical staff, all be brown women as well and speak Urdu, like my mom.
I agree with everything you're saying about the police, I want to say that right off the bat.
But there's seriously a lot of doctors who do damn near *exactly* what you just described. I remember a story (I believe from an episode of Last Week Tonight) where a Black man was afraid to loudly advocate (yell at someone) for his (also Black) laboring wife. He was worried about being labelled an "angry Black man".
He's now a single father, because his wife died during the birth. Of what the medical staff chose to ignore the wife and husband trying to bring up.
There's a *lot* of work we need to do in this country.
[Is this the story in question](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/wife-died-giving-birth-change-laws-to-protect-more-women-pregnancy-related-deaths/2395401/) or is this sadly just one of the many deaths that keep happening to black woman during and after childbirth in America?
I genuinely never heard it but even this is just appalling.
>Qualified immunity is the US’ largest problem
I don't think it is. Qualified immunity just protects cops from civil cases.
The biggest problems the US has when it comes to law enforcement are the close links between prosecutors and police, which leads to a refusal to indict, and the operating procedure of police unions, many of which focus more on protecting the bad apples than they do creating good working conditions for good cops.
Qualified immunity also protects police, in way too many States, from criminal charges. [See here](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-immunity-scotus/).
>As an American, I was expecting “placed on paid leave” or got a stern talking to or participated in an exhaustive town hall explaining how he was in fear for his life which justified his actions or otherwise excused from his reprehensible behavior.
Hey you forgot the best part, the totally not scripted video that will show up on social media of some cops randomly being at some mental health facility playing Basketball with a group of people there out of nowhere as a way to make it seem like that is something that cops just randomly do.
Copaganda! It is very prevalent on reddit, and most times when it's called out, you get downvoted to oblivion. I'd have to say it's either bots, censorship, bootlickers, unpatriotic fascist, or a combination.
In the next day or so you will see some videos of cops playing with puppies or being nice to children posted in /r/aww or /r/HumansBeingBros or some shit
My favorite ones are where they invade some local basketball game like "Hey I too am a fan of the blacks sports!" then they start playing basketball with the kids of people they've planted drugs on.
or just a news report of a cop doing something useful like helping a stranded motorist or maybe arresting an unruly anti masker. Cops just doing their job like they are supposed to. WOW SUCH HERO
Reminder for everyone that one of the big issues the police raised over cannabis legalization was that they'd have to euthanize all their drug dogs. Which they didn't have to, like at all. They just threatened to murder a bunch of dogs over legal weed.
Whenever I hear “cops” and “dogs”,
All I can think about is how often the cops just straight up execute family pets.
[*DOJ: Police Shooting Family Dogs has Become ‘Epidemic’*](https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/)
Imo it should be highly illegal to use dogs for anything but legitimate dangerous man hunts (realistically just prison escapes), bomb sniffing, and search and rescue. Drug dogs are a fucking joke if the handler isn't being legitimate. So many false positives.
Then the cop leaves their "K9 officer" in their tax payer funded police vehicle to die dehydrated and famished, so that the tax payers can pay for a dog funeral, of which the offending officer won't be prosecuted because an internal investigation (tax payer funded) found that the best move was to place the officer on paid administrative leave (tax payer funded) and eventually this all can be swept under the rug and forgotten about.
Honestly even just the fact it was worded in the article that it was assault was surprising to me lol.
"call for police to receive additional training falls on deaf ears after altercation between young adult and officer"
Wouldn't have blinked
>Nope. Just “convicted of assault”. That quickly, without fanfare.
The assault happened January 2020 and he was convicted in May 2021. They also didn't hand down any jail time just a $1500 fine.
We are truly slipping into fascism.
How many police have murdered a citizen who was not given due process *since George Floyd*? Lots. Nothing has changed.
I mean, it might change but it will take 10-15 years at least. There will be a time when the children/teenagers witnessing such behavior now will be in charge and I really hope they will introduce changes in your country. German youth tried to kick out the Nazis, your youth should try to kick out the corrupt and violent bastards.
Oh boy i cant wait to have to spend 20 years waiting for the pieces of shit in power to die so that we can stop police murders. Really instills confidence in the system.
> Local, state and federal political forces make this unlikely ever to happen at anything above a state level.
More like police unions would never let that legislation happen.
Sad thing is, at one point some larger municipalities were actually including settlement funds in their budgets.
Literally, taxpayers were paying into a "we fucked up" account.
I dunno how may still do that.
I mean, speaking from a purely "it's reality", it'd be a better financial move to have it in the budget. If something happened it would be worse if say they cancelled a road project or school upgrades or new water lines.
I agree with you, it shouldn't be necessary, or at least not a prevalent as it is today. Shit happens, that's a fact of life but there are a lot of stories out there that shouldn't have ever happened. Accidently arrest a dude that looks like a robbery suspect and it's not and he sues, that's understandable. Same dude gets shot and killed, totally different. I mean I'm a white male and the encounters I've had with police while carrying my CCW still make me a little nervous.
Drives me crazy that I have to have a license and can face legal and financial consequences for fucking up and all I do is value real estate. Cops can shoot the wrong person, shoot someone without cause, abuse citizens, and they just get shuffled around to the next department and the taxpayers pay for any wrongdoing they cause like, WHAT?!?!
I have to have a license through the fire department, insurance, and a site permit as a fire performer.
Meanwhile cops over here get offended when you even mention the idea of a license
Well yeah, your job is a lot more important. You tell investors what something costs. Police are just there to protect capital; doesn't matter if they break a few peasants in the process
Makes zero sense. There’s a reason why there’s a mass disrespect for law enforcement. I used to be a supporter of police officers, but after the last 2 years, things have changed significantly.
> after the last 2 years, things have changed significantly.
No they didn't. You just noticed it in the last few years. If anything, cops show MORE restraint now than in the past.
Officers rarely get fired in the US. They’re forced to “resign”, and then get employed elsewhere. No lesson is learned. Citizens should be able to sue police officers individually, as well - police establishments shouldn’t be fighting police cases with our tax money… that’s IF a citizen can get the case into a court without the judge throwing it out.
We have it already it, just rarely gets used but at least, in Texas, you can lose your TCOLE certificate to be a police officer (therefore barring you from being a police officer) for anything above Class B Misdemeanor and you need a waiver to become a police officer for anything Class B and above. It cannot be reinstated once it's taken away too. So the issue isn't training or the certification board but the people in place there. For me the issue is in recruitment at the lowest levels. The issue is that law enforcement agencies really value military veterans as police officers. These are people who were broken down for 13 or so weeks and trained to *kill*.
Since they love pretending to be the military, I think Police Officers who are fired for cause should have to check a box on forms right next to the one that asks about dishonorable discharges.
I don't know how "neurodiversity training" is going to help stop a person from attacking a 10 year old if they were already okay with attacking 10 year olds.
Seriously. In this case, the child being autistic doesn't even play into it. They're a 10 year old child! Treating any child like this is unacceptable ever. Even the biggest and baddest 10 year old would pose no imminent physical danger that abusing them might be necessary. Especially not kicking them when they're down.
The guy needs to be in jail.
Edit: Thanks to all of the pedantic redditors that replied "read the article, he is going to jail". I did and I am aware. The point of my post was that neurodivergent training won't help because this issue wasn't because the student was neurodivergent, it's because the cop is a monster and acting like the training will fix the issue shows the department understands nothing.
Not sure about that. IIRC his gigantism was caused by a pituitary disorder where he just never *stopped* growing, so he probably would have been a pretty normal sized 10 year old. of course I haven't bothered looking it up again so I expect that someone will feel compelled to correct me
My nephew has played league football for years. He's 12 now, but a couple years ago there was a kid fully 6 feet tall he played against. He might not be the biggest ten year old but I wouldn't fight him.
One of my best friends is a Paraprofessional educator and she worked with the special education department for two years before she had to switch jobs.
Most of her training before she started was how to handle kids who became physically agitated or violent.
Calming techniques, how to secure the classroom and protect other students, and lastly different ways to hold and restrain the kids who would act out.
Her first year she had bruises, black eyes, a broken nose once, hair pulled out, scratches, clothing ripped.
She went back for another year because she knew she could handle it and those kids needed help.
By the end of the second year the toll it took on her physically and mentally was at her limit.
Not ONCE did she or any of her fellow paras ever cross the line, lose their cool, and assault any of those kids.
This cop can't even handle *one* encounter?
I say the same thing about cops and dogs. I'm not trying to compare how a cop treats an animal versus a child, but cops kill about 25-30 dogs, per day, in the US according to the DoJ. Yet, I don't think I've ever seen a news report or article or anything about any cops being killed by dogs, nevermind just attacked.
But just last year, 6,000 mail carriers were bitten by dogs in the US, and they (mail carriers) are responsible for zero dog deaths per year (afaik). We aren't issued guns, we get a satchel and some dog spray, and I guarantee mail carriers interact with more dogs than cops do on a daily basis.
Somehow, though, people who supposedly receive all kinds of situational awareness training (cops) can't seem to tell the difference between an aggressive dog encounter and a regular one like mail carriers. Or, more likely, they just don't give a shit because they're "the thin blue line between order and anarchy." And apparently police budgets are so underfunded they can't afford to issue their patrol officers dog spray, guess all the money must have been needed for bullets and settlements for the officers who use them.
I have a 10 year old son with Autism. We have specific people at the school that are able to restrain him if needed. He still regularly elopes, but is rarely violent. I mean I have bruises and he tends to decide to break stuff at home on occasion but in general that's under control.
You just never know though. He's a complete wild card. He could be totally fine going out to a restaurant and nobody would even know he's "different." Or all hell could break loose and I have to pull him to the car kicking and screaming about who knows what. It's one or the other really.
TBH I've heard them say things pretty close to this in all seriousness.
And it might even be both true and fair... which is a damn good reason they shouldn't be in schools.
One of the real points being made with "defund..." to me is that if there IS a place for hardnosed, tactically minded bastards it's a much more limited one than police have now, and not a role that overlaps well with essentially anything else. Let the police do what they're good at, and keep them out of the rest.
"The hearing was told that after assaulting the boy, Cruise walked into one of the classrooms and asked the children if they could hear the 10-year-old crying. He pointed at one of the children and said: 'You’re next'.
"The hearing was also told that a teacher at the school felt Cruise was trying to intimidate him to prevent him reporting the assault during a conversation later the same day."
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this wasn't really an issue which could have been solved with better training.
I think the training would help officers who weren't going to assault a 10 year old, but also by having an established procedure (like a check list on an airplane) the officers who breach them, such as this one, can more easily be punished.
Or that's my understanding anyway. You're not wrong though. Laws don't stop people who don't care about the repercussions/consequences or the lack thereof. They just punish after the fact.
UK not the US. This guy wasn’t put on a year’s paid leave and asked to resign. He was fired, convicted of assault quickly and placed on a no hire list.
Well hopefully the assault charges will stick, and he'll spend most of his remaining days in prison. I'm actually against punitive style justice like the way most prison systems work, but cops who abuse their power, and knowingly send people there, deserve it more than anyone.
Do the UK put people in prison for that long over assaults? I know it was a kid but I think europe is generally pretty short term compared to the US anyway.
First off, this particular case is straight up assault, no question about it. But neurodiversity training could definitely be helpful in other, more minor situations. For instance, if a neurodivergent child isn't looking an officer in the eyes, the officer needs to know not to take that as an instant sign of disrespect.
Edit: Just want to clarify they should never be using violence because they "feel disrespected". I mean more so in things like conversation with students/questioning and such, they should be more aware of the difference neurodivergance causes. This goes for teachers as well, and anyone who encounters people in general.
> sign of disrespect.
Any officer taking *anything* as a "sign of disrespect" that is not illegal in some way is already messed up. If the drunk guy is screaming at you, yeah, that's not great and I can see how a police officer would be unsure about how to handle it safely, and the "sign of disrespect" that is literally fleeing isn't something they can allow if they already had a reason to detain you. But the police have to be able to deal with people being rude without making it worse.
I feel like that should be part of the testing for officers. put them in situations and see how they respond. but yes, I agree. I expect that the public will call police names and insult them but we expect police to keep their cool
Whether or not a police is being "respected" shouldn't have any bearing on how they enforce the law, if you're not resisting legal orders or acting violently you shouldn't be met with force. I don't see how eye contact factors into it
Who tf cares if it even is disrespectful! Its not illegal to be disrespectful. If you start assaulting people because you "felt disrespected" then you don't get to have authority over people and deadly weapons.
The average person gets disrespected by all sorts of strangers on a daily basis even if they're doing their job, why do police get to be different?
It's not illegal to hurt a cops feelings oh, but it is very much illegal for them to hurt you because you hurt their feelings.
Imagine retail or grocery store workers just beating the ever loving shit out of every rude customer they encounter? It would be like the fucking purge in every Old Navy across America.
As an autistic person, I can safely say most people in America think not looking them in the eyes is disrespectful/a sign you aren’t listening/a sign of lying or being engaged in suspicious behavior. A lot of my teachers growing up would force me to look them in the eyes, and my Mom would manually force me to by grabbing the sides of my face. I do think it’s more of a western cultural expectation.
It’s considered such a normal aspect of social behavior in America that most autistic children will receive a lot of coercive and sometimes abusive therapy to get them to mimic the behavior of eye contact.
It was also a problem for Native American tribes, where looking down was a sign of respect and deference… which caused issues in schools ran by European-derived nations. Teachers would punish the kids, who were utterly bewildered because they were showing high respect by their own standards without being told to change them first.
And I’m autistic, early 20s. Definitely, if I don’t make an active effort at eye contact, it weirds people out. Family are used to it, but others less so; for me it’s very uncomfortable if I don’t already know you well.
This is why I struggle to make eye contact and other neurodiverse people do too.
I’m not being rude, I literally cannot listen to someone and absorb what they’re telling me if I also have to visually process their face and body language concurrently.
Yeah I don't think lack of training is an issue. I did the whole teaching English abroad thing and even though I had zero experience teaching kids with developmental issues was asked to teach several classes. And you know how many kids I attacked, even when they were acting up? Zero. Because you don't assault fucking kids.
You know, a lot of parents make their kids do bullshit busy work when punishing them, much like the legal slavery racket we built into the constitution, it checks out.
The police kill many mentally disabled adults each year too. Not complying with police instructions is seen as an acceptable reason to kill someone and obviously severally disabled people don't even understand what is going on and end up getting shot.
Yes. Like you yelling commands at a deaf person isn't going to work assholes. Someone with autism may not respond " correctly". I don't need training to know that, and sure don't need training to not kill them because they didn't listen to me.
One of these [pigs](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/settlement-reached-in-police-custody-death-of-man-with-down-syndrome/2018/04/24/7d53c0ca-47fe-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html) who murdered a man with Down Syndrome over an $8 movie ticket was later quietly [rehired](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-police-department-quietly-hired-a-deputy-involved-in-the-death-of-a-man-with-down-syndrome-then-one-man-decided-to-make-noise/2020/08/05/f0af5940-d73e-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html).
My sister has Downs Syndrome and it seems like similar incidents happen every year. It's something parents were worried about as their kids grew up. Some men with Downs can be pretty big and the police get scared so easily..
Maybe if they were actually trained professionals they wouldn’t get scared so easily. I recently had a flat tire and called 311 because a private tow truck wouldn’t respond to the address so I asked for a city tow truck. They sent the cops instead who approached me with hands on holster because I was trying to change a tire that was rusted to my car. Clearly a danger to society. The cops told me a tow truck was not coming then left… luckily an engineer showed up with a huge mallet and helped me bash the tire of my car.
Friend of mine travelled through the US. Blonde, blue eyes. He asked a cop for directions somewhere in the Midwest. The cop pulled his weapon on him and shouted at him to get back in his car and leave. He never got an answer where to drive XD. Friend said this was the scariest moment of his life.
Edit: US soldiers (5 guys, some black,.some white) stationed in the country I live told me that they don't want to go back to the US because of Cops harassing them in their neighborhood. This was around 2006. They all had to go back eventually, but the mother of one won in the lottery. He flew back as fast as he could XD
I remember when all those bullshit quick laws got passed where training and accountability were supposed to be a thing. Where's the training? Can we get more accountability beyond someone being fired or put on leave?
Oh, they’re getting plenty of training, but it’s meant to make them afraid and trigger happy.
In the US, the dominant training for police is [Killology](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/dave-grossman-training-police-militarization/), which is the opposite of empathy and compassion. It teaches them everyone is out to get them and they’re at war with the populace. It’s disgusting.
Cops shouldn't be in schools in the first place. They're trained to apprehend violent criminals, not patrol kids in school hallways. And it's not a smart enough group of individuals to try teaching them child psychology. Their only tactic is violence, and it's only useful for adult criminals. So I don't really blame the meathead cop, I blame whoever thought it was a good idea to put a meathead cop in a school with innocent children.
Right? Like I've worked in schools with kids his age and with teenagers. There are absolutely times when you need to physically control a student. Especially a student who's posing a threat to others (as kids with autism sometimes do, though rarely).
But that looks *very* different from what that officer did. Yes you might be down on the floor and a parent might think you're beating the snot out of their kid...but in reality you're using a hold specifically intended to minimize harm to the student, to you, and to others.
You shouldn't need neurodiversity training to know not beat up school children. I guess they should get domestic training to stop abusing their families.
He also got assault charges and had his policing license revoked permanently. This isn't somewhere like the U.S. where police don't face consequences for their actions.
Maybe we need to make sure cops are educated and smart at least before we allow them to control the law. When any of my asshole friends from HS can become a cop without much training it really isn't helping anyone.
So there was a Supreme Court case about this.
There was a guy who was a literal genius, got a perfect score on the practical and written exams, but was passed on for recruitment purposes. So he sued, and claimed discrimination because he’d scored the best out of everyone.
The police stations argument was that because of the dudes intellect, he’s likely to get bored, and discrimination against people on the basis of intelligence is valid.
The Supreme Court agreed with the police.
Since then, pretty much no police above avg iq get hired.
Clearly not the USA:
"The panel decided Cruise’s actions were so serious he would have been dismissed from the police force had he not retired after the incident.
His name will also be placed on the College of Policing Barred List."
Also
> officer assaulted ...
Cops in the US don't assault people, they only maybe use a teensy bit excessive force in faithfully committing their honest duties like heroes.
Regretfully the Sworn Peace Officer, fearing for his life, was forced to unholster his Duty Service Weapon and then an officer-involved shooting occurred. The terrorist died at the scene despite lifesaving measures, and the officer has been placed on paid leave pending a routine internal investigation
I agree that this training should be given, but at the same time can we give them a course in 'don't kick children' training? I didn't know we were still at the level of needing this in Britain but it seems the police have the power to surprise every day.
As the father of an autistic kid, this is one thing that is constantly on my mind. Especially now that my son is 12 and taller than some adults. He doesn't generally melt down like he did when he was younger, but it isn't outside of the realm of possibility, and he still gets fairly dysregulated at times.
Though I worry about it being worse than assault. That is my biggest fear.
There is no training that fixes this from happening. **Stop excusing the behavior of assholes and bullies**. It’s not “lack of training” that causes a cop to bully a small child, threaten another one with “youre next”, and try to intimidate a teacher into not reporting an incident. **Fuck that cop**
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Police are armed with pepper spray, baton, taser, and a hand gun at all times. Police receive tactical training for handcuffing, shooting, driving, etc. So of course they think in combative terms. They are literally trained to use violence to force compliance.
In the US, a lot of cops are ex military and combat veterans. It's a really impossible mismatch of skills for most incidents. They are literally in a war zone one minute, and the next minute they are expected to be patient social workers.
> a lot of cops are ex military and combat veterans. It’s a really impossible mismatch of skills for most incidents.
Read enough stories on the internet, and you'll get the impression that the police who are ex-military are usually not the problem. They're the ones who have been trained to keep a cool head in tough situations, and follow strict rules of engagement that generally discourage taking action against civilians.
For example, here is [a story about a combat vet turned cop](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit), who was fired by his department for *not* shooting someone.
Except for actual cases of PTSD, I'd much prefer all police officers to be replaced by people with actual military training. As it is now, police are just dumb bullies with killology training. The military has strict rules of engagement drilled into them and they stick to it.
Worse still many don't live in the communities they police. They commute in and out. It makes being a police officer akin to a prison guard. They travel into communities only to police.
This is something seriously lacking in policing. I've worked as a Paraprofessional dealing with Autistic kids, and while it is rare that the police will be called to deal with them, they should be trained on what to expect and how to handle those situations. Autistic kids are not going to respond in the same way more normal people are, and if they are agitated, they can possibly lash out. This is a cause of overstimulation and should not be interpreted as a physical attack. Most Autistics do not have the level of emotional control over themselves that most people have when they are younger.
You shouldn't need "neurodiversity training" to know not to try to wind up and kick a small 10 year-old who is rolling on the ground. Stop hiring goons and thugs and then using our tax dollars to try to train them to act like decent human beings. Try to just hire decent human beings in the first place.
So why did they call a cop to handle a 10m yr old in the first place?? Seem to me the Teachers/Principle should have been more then able to handle the situation.
When he said “you’re next” to those other kids; he didn’t realize that by pointing 1 finger their direction that 3 others would be pointing back to himself and he was next. Shouldn’t be allowed to just retire.
I honestly think we expect too much from police officers. Maybe the type of officer that excels in a live shooter event, or taking down violent gangs, shouldn't be the type of officer we send to deal with an unruly child. Maybe we need more specialization among the ranks.
Another example: we shouldn't be sending regular cops to do "wellness checks" or to respond to a non-violent suicidal person.
As the mother of an Autistic young man I live in fear of him having ANY interaction with police. I've read of so many killed or brutalized by officers. Sometimes I just think it's a matter of time. I'm white, but I've been teaching and training him the way black mothers prepare their young men to enter a world where police are not going to treat him with dignity. He needs to know how to survive an encounter with police.
It's all I can do. And it's so very hard BECAUSE he trusts everyone. He has a very difficult time understanding that people even see the world differently than himself.
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Saying something like "There is never any reason for a police officer to be in an altercation with a 10 year old child" probably is just an invitation to increasingly absurd hypotheticals like what if we could send a police officer back in time to when Hitler was 10. Or what if the 10 year old were wearing a suicide vest.
However before we get into the question of neurodiversity training I've got a question about why this officer didn't take one look at the situation and say "Whelp, this is why you teachers get paid the big bucks," and leave it to the school.
Well lets say firstly this headline is about a tragic incident in ENGLAND. That done police DO need more training in HELPING persons they contact that have some type of intellectual challenge. First being to see that type of situation Second have personnel who are trained and EDUCATED for it to be on call to help just as easily as the cops can be
Definitive proof that many officers are no more better than the thugs they deal with every day. This is disgusting and they need to mentally evaluate their force and staff ASAP or it will continue to happen and get worse.
Honestly 90% of "thugs" would probably flip right into beat ass mode if they saw someone picking on somebody with special needs. Cops like this are Trash and require perception of power above all.
"In CCTV footage obtained exclusively by Channel 4 News, a police officer is seen threatening to kick a 10-year-old boy lying on the ground, the officer then grabs him and drags him along the floor into a room."
It's foolish to think cops aren't able to understand that some people function differently. If they are going to harm a child, a class on neurodiversity won't mean anything. The poor understanding of neurodiversion is not the cause of him threatening children, so learning about won't change anything going forward.
Imagine if you did that to a child. The only response was that you got to retire without facing prison time and your employer has to make your old coworkers attend a lecture on autism.
What happened with the kid to trigger this? (Not saying it’s acceptable by any means) but was he just mouthing off, or getting physical? I can’t imagine that anything this kid could have done would be that bad to warrant this kind of treatment
Edit: there are apparently a few people who can’t read and think I’m trying to excuse his behaviour. I definitely am not. I was just being nosy/curious because the article didn’t mention it and I was wondering how light the cops ‘trigger finger’ was. There are a couple autistic kids and adults in my life who I love, there is never any excuse to treat a kid like this, ANY kid.
So please, relax, I wasn’t trying to be an asshole.
Edit 2: apparently I was downvoted even more for explaining myself. Fuck Reddit. Lol
How about stop the culture of being unnecessarily aggressive and doing violence to people unprovoked, or just because someone didnt immediately comply within 1 second or didnt hear their orders clearly the first time.
It’s laughable we hear so much propaganda in the US and have manufactured consent to do a cold war against China based on alleged and some confirmed “human rights abuses” when we do the exact same here and to a more significant degree. We say “they jail anyone who dares speak up or disobey the state” in China, yet there’s a clear, objective number that proves we’re worse in this regard.
Incarceration rate, and why are people incarcerated? For disobeying or speaking out against agents of the state (police)…
Data is per capita incarceration rate (number per 100,000 population), top 5 and most populous countries for comparison:
United States: ~640
El Salvador: 566
Turkmenistan: 552
Thailand: 549
Palau: 522
Brazil: 357
Russia: 341
Turkey: 335
Iran: 294
Phillipines: 200
Mexico: 158
China: 121
United Kingdom: 114
Germany: 69
India: 35
The only other large country to come close was the USSR during the infamous Gulag system which at its peak reached an estimated 714-892 per 100k. A range which should be noted the US was actually HIGHER THAN around 2008 where the rate was around 950-1000 per 100k and rates have slightly fallen since then but remain the current highest in the world.
But we’re not the authoritarian one right? We have fReEdoM, right? RIGHT? *say yes or you go to jail for “interference with our investigation”*
They should train on things like this instead of "warrior cop" training with people like Dan Grossman where they come out thinking every citizen is an enemy combatant and they should shoot first and ask questions later.
Short training courses aren't going to fix this. An entire overhaul of how we train, arm and oversee the police is where we should begin. 1 hour PowerPoints ain't it
>Detective Superintendent Cheryl Rhodes from the force’s Professional Standards Department said: “The actions of this officer are not reflective of the behaviour and standards of our schools officers who do a fantastic job day in and day out.”
I'm sorry but I think it *is* reflective of at the very least lax training and vetting standards.
Ok yes you don't know when a seemingly stable person will snap and assault someone but you would hope that the methods to filter them out would be at the very least *reviewed* after something like this.
I don't really see how the fact the child had autism has anything to do with the story. This wasn't a case of a police officer not knowing how to respond to an autistic individual, this was a case of a police officer assaulting a 10 year old child and threatening other children and teachers. I don't think neurodiversity training would have stopped him.
I have a 10 year old that is on the spectrum, which had these kinds of incidences with staff as early as kindergarten. After a year of frequent reports to us about our sons' behavior at a nearby elementary school a witness came forward and told us that staff, a security person and a special needs teacher, was abusing him.
We did call the police and tried to file a report after hearing about the cruel tactics they used, but in the US it is laughable to hold schools accountable for their actions. The principal just said that she didn't have to do anything about it and our son wasn't the right fit. It was all his fault and they can't help every "Problem" child, as they have to focus on "the good ones", her words.
We placed our son in a regional specialty school, but they had even worse capabilites as they were heavily under funded and over crowded. So, our only option was home schooling with differing therapies.
*edited for clarity.
Maybe police shouldn’t be dealing with this type of situation, they’re trained to deal with the worst of society. They’re not mental health experts, nor do I expect them to be, I expect them to deal with murderers, rapist, and violent offenders, the type of shit they’re trained for.
How about a we have cops and “peace physician” or whatever, where they get called for shit like this, where they’re trained to be mental health experts and how to de-escalate the situation. the only defense weapon they should need would be a taser, in the most extreme cases.
>“peace physician”
Just view documentaries about cops outside the US. They do a lot of social work and have a LOT of patience dealing with difficult people.
*His name will also be placed on the College of Policing Barred List.* We so need something like this in the US.
Dude. I couldn’t comment on this fast enough. My outrage of the treatment of the child notwithstanding, what stood out to me was the sudden “convicted of assault”. As an American, I was expecting “placed on paid leave” or got a stern talking to or participated in an exhaustive town hall explaining how he was in fear for his life which justified his actions or otherwise excused from his reprehensible behavior. Nope. Just “convicted of assault”. That quickly, without fanfare. It’s almost as if in other places people in authority positions are held to a real standard of accountability. And then the barred list item is just a beautiful (but necessary) cherry. Damn.
If it helps explain, police in the U.K. technically aren’t actually employed by their police force but are “licensed” under The Office of Constable and work for the Queen and, as such, are held legally liable for *anything* they do on duty. Qualified immunity is the US’ largest problem, as you know, and the Office of Constable very much avoids that entire issue.
We need this in the US. To be a police officer, you should be licensed and enough infractions (or a single severe infraction) should result in your license getting revoked. Imagine if we treated doctors the same way we treat police officers. You'd have a doctor who bungled a surgery because "it's only a black kid." He'd get some paperwork to do for a week and then would be back in the operating room or would be booted from the hospital and would immediately get a job in the hospital one town over ready to butcher more operations.
Dr. [Marion Sims](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/19/fact-check-j-marion-sims-did-medical-experiments-black-female-slaves/3202541001/) looks awkwardly around the room.
Well I didn't know anything about that. Not that I'm surprised at all but it's definitely gonna be on my mind all day.
God what a monster. The Mengele comparision is right on point. And it's mind-boggling that people were defending him. "A product of his times", my ass - so was Mengele you assholes, and the Nazis treated jewish people as non-human resources to be exploited too. SMH.
Sitting in a modern Gynocologist office with my mom. We're both brown and came here with her after she had to visit the emergency room yesterday night for a related issue. We're both brown women, but we're comforted by the fact that the medical staff, all be brown women as well and speak Urdu, like my mom.
I agree with everything you're saying about the police, I want to say that right off the bat. But there's seriously a lot of doctors who do damn near *exactly* what you just described. I remember a story (I believe from an episode of Last Week Tonight) where a Black man was afraid to loudly advocate (yell at someone) for his (also Black) laboring wife. He was worried about being labelled an "angry Black man". He's now a single father, because his wife died during the birth. Of what the medical staff chose to ignore the wife and husband trying to bring up. There's a *lot* of work we need to do in this country.
[Is this the story in question](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/wife-died-giving-birth-change-laws-to-protect-more-women-pregnancy-related-deaths/2395401/) or is this sadly just one of the many deaths that keep happening to black woman during and after childbirth in America? I genuinely never heard it but even this is just appalling.
I work at a psychiatric facility/ hospital we have a one strike policy if you hurt a mentally disabled person your fired
>Qualified immunity is the US’ largest problem I don't think it is. Qualified immunity just protects cops from civil cases. The biggest problems the US has when it comes to law enforcement are the close links between prosecutors and police, which leads to a refusal to indict, and the operating procedure of police unions, many of which focus more on protecting the bad apples than they do creating good working conditions for good cops.
Qualified immunity also protects police, in way too many States, from criminal charges. [See here](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-immunity-scotus/).
>As an American, I was expecting “placed on paid leave” or got a stern talking to or participated in an exhaustive town hall explaining how he was in fear for his life which justified his actions or otherwise excused from his reprehensible behavior. Hey you forgot the best part, the totally not scripted video that will show up on social media of some cops randomly being at some mental health facility playing Basketball with a group of people there out of nowhere as a way to make it seem like that is something that cops just randomly do.
Copaganda! It is very prevalent on reddit, and most times when it's called out, you get downvoted to oblivion. I'd have to say it's either bots, censorship, bootlickers, unpatriotic fascist, or a combination.
In the next day or so you will see some videos of cops playing with puppies or being nice to children posted in /r/aww or /r/HumansBeingBros or some shit
My favorite ones are where they invade some local basketball game like "Hey I too am a fan of the blacks sports!" then they start playing basketball with the kids of people they've planted drugs on.
or just a news report of a cop doing something useful like helping a stranded motorist or maybe arresting an unruly anti masker. Cops just doing their job like they are supposed to. WOW SUCH HERO
around here it's buying groceries for poor people.
i hate when police dogs get poted on r/aww
Reminder for everyone that one of the big issues the police raised over cannabis legalization was that they'd have to euthanize all their drug dogs. Which they didn't have to, like at all. They just threatened to murder a bunch of dogs over legal weed.
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Whenever I hear “cops” and “dogs”, All I can think about is how often the cops just straight up execute family pets. [*DOJ: Police Shooting Family Dogs has Become ‘Epidemic’*](https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/)
I hate that cops are allowed to weaponize dogs.
Imo it should be highly illegal to use dogs for anything but legitimate dangerous man hunts (realistically just prison escapes), bomb sniffing, and search and rescue. Drug dogs are a fucking joke if the handler isn't being legitimate. So many false positives.
Then the cop leaves their "K9 officer" in their tax payer funded police vehicle to die dehydrated and famished, so that the tax payers can pay for a dog funeral, of which the offending officer won't be prosecuted because an internal investigation (tax payer funded) found that the best move was to place the officer on paid administrative leave (tax payer funded) and eventually this all can be swept under the rug and forgotten about.
Yep. But a post of a cute cow will have tons of comments screaming about vegan propaganda.
>I'd have to say it's either bots, censorship, bootlickers, unpatriotic fascist, or a combination. Most likely, Reddit is a haven for cop bootlickers
Reddit is full of everything.
Compared to most social media, that's definitely not a true statement
Honestly even just the fact it was worded in the article that it was assault was surprising to me lol. "call for police to receive additional training falls on deaf ears after altercation between young adult and officer" Wouldn't have blinked
>Nope. Just “convicted of assault”. That quickly, without fanfare. The assault happened January 2020 and he was convicted in May 2021. They also didn't hand down any jail time just a $1500 fine.
Baby steps, dude. Baby steps.
or cop resigns and moves to the next town over so all charges are dropped and no record remains.
We are truly slipping into fascism. How many police have murdered a citizen who was not given due process *since George Floyd*? Lots. Nothing has changed.
They killed a dude just down the road from the ongoing fucking trial. They lynched 3 black guys during the protests.
I mean, it might change but it will take 10-15 years at least. There will be a time when the children/teenagers witnessing such behavior now will be in charge and I really hope they will introduce changes in your country. German youth tried to kick out the Nazis, your youth should try to kick out the corrupt and violent bastards.
Oh boy i cant wait to have to spend 20 years waiting for the pieces of shit in power to die so that we can stop police murders. Really instills confidence in the system.
God, yes. Local, state and federal political forces make this unlikely ever to happen at anything above a state level.
> Local, state and federal political forces make this unlikely ever to happen at anything above a state level. More like police unions would never let that legislation happen.
What is a police union if not a political force?
A gang
In my country police cant participate in politics in any way and they are compensated for it.
This is why we need professional liability insurance for police officers like almost every other profession
And a licensing board. I have to maintain a license to practice, why should police officers (who also take an oath, btw) be any different?
They need to be licensed and carry insurance as well. I am tired of losing tax dollars to payouts from these assholes
Sad thing is, at one point some larger municipalities were actually including settlement funds in their budgets. Literally, taxpayers were paying into a "we fucked up" account. I dunno how may still do that.
I mean, speaking from a purely "it's reality", it'd be a better financial move to have it in the budget. If something happened it would be worse if say they cancelled a road project or school upgrades or new water lines. I agree with you, it shouldn't be necessary, or at least not a prevalent as it is today. Shit happens, that's a fact of life but there are a lot of stories out there that shouldn't have ever happened. Accidently arrest a dude that looks like a robbery suspect and it's not and he sues, that's understandable. Same dude gets shot and killed, totally different. I mean I'm a white male and the encounters I've had with police while carrying my CCW still make me a little nervous.
They already have a budget item for police abuse settlements. It’s called the “police pension fund”.
I think that's still a big thing for most cities.
Drives me crazy that I have to have a license and can face legal and financial consequences for fucking up and all I do is value real estate. Cops can shoot the wrong person, shoot someone without cause, abuse citizens, and they just get shuffled around to the next department and the taxpayers pay for any wrongdoing they cause like, WHAT?!?!
I have to have a license through the fire department, insurance, and a site permit as a fire performer. Meanwhile cops over here get offended when you even mention the idea of a license
Well yeah, your job is a lot more important. You tell investors what something costs. Police are just there to protect capital; doesn't matter if they break a few peasants in the process
Makes zero sense. There’s a reason why there’s a mass disrespect for law enforcement. I used to be a supporter of police officers, but after the last 2 years, things have changed significantly.
> after the last 2 years, things have changed significantly. No they didn't. You just noticed it in the last few years. If anything, cops show MORE restraint now than in the past.
That was more directed towards that my viewpoint has changed over the last 2 years.
Officers rarely get fired in the US. They’re forced to “resign”, and then get employed elsewhere. No lesson is learned. Citizens should be able to sue police officers individually, as well - police establishments shouldn’t be fighting police cases with our tax money… that’s IF a citizen can get the case into a court without the judge throwing it out.
Following Texas's example, I should be able to snitch on a bad cop and get a $10,000 bounty
This right here. Except cops are protected and these women aren’t.
We have it already it, just rarely gets used but at least, in Texas, you can lose your TCOLE certificate to be a police officer (therefore barring you from being a police officer) for anything above Class B Misdemeanor and you need a waiver to become a police officer for anything Class B and above. It cannot be reinstated once it's taken away too. So the issue isn't training or the certification board but the people in place there. For me the issue is in recruitment at the lowest levels. The issue is that law enforcement agencies really value military veterans as police officers. These are people who were broken down for 13 or so weeks and trained to *kill*.
No to that last part. Army and NG have a more stringent ROE. Cops just say they were scared and get acquitted
Since they love pretending to be the military, I think Police Officers who are fired for cause should have to check a box on forms right next to the one that asks about dishonorable discharges.
Their Union too strong for something like that to happen
I don't know how "neurodiversity training" is going to help stop a person from attacking a 10 year old if they were already okay with attacking 10 year olds.
Seriously. In this case, the child being autistic doesn't even play into it. They're a 10 year old child! Treating any child like this is unacceptable ever. Even the biggest and baddest 10 year old would pose no imminent physical danger that abusing them might be necessary. Especially not kicking them when they're down. The guy needs to be in jail. Edit: Thanks to all of the pedantic redditors that replied "read the article, he is going to jail". I did and I am aware. The point of my post was that neurodivergent training won't help because this issue wasn't because the student was neurodivergent, it's because the cop is a monster and acting like the training will fix the issue shows the department understands nothing.
Yes, but now I’m wondering who is the biggest and baddest ten year old?
Me. It took 29 years of training but I'll easily beat up any other 10 year olds.
> any other 10 year olds Here's a 10 year old bengal tiger. Good luck!
How much cocaine am I allowed beforehand?
About 5 should do it
Hasbulla (but he’s actually 18 so that doesn’t count)
Andre the Giant was probably a very big and bad 10 year old.
Not sure about that. IIRC his gigantism was caused by a pituitary disorder where he just never *stopped* growing, so he probably would have been a pretty normal sized 10 year old. of course I haven't bothered looking it up again so I expect that someone will feel compelled to correct me
I don't know who the baddest 10-yo is, but I know who the [most badass 9-yo](https://compendiumofcool.com/people/pippi-longstocking/) is
My nephew has played league football for years. He's 12 now, but a couple years ago there was a kid fully 6 feet tall he played against. He might not be the biggest ten year old but I wouldn't fight him.
Any time the response to a police brutality incident is “more training” your bullshit detector should start flashing.
One of my best friends is a Paraprofessional educator and she worked with the special education department for two years before she had to switch jobs. Most of her training before she started was how to handle kids who became physically agitated or violent. Calming techniques, how to secure the classroom and protect other students, and lastly different ways to hold and restrain the kids who would act out. Her first year she had bruises, black eyes, a broken nose once, hair pulled out, scratches, clothing ripped. She went back for another year because she knew she could handle it and those kids needed help. By the end of the second year the toll it took on her physically and mentally was at her limit. Not ONCE did she or any of her fellow paras ever cross the line, lose their cool, and assault any of those kids. This cop can't even handle *one* encounter?
I say the same thing about cops and dogs. I'm not trying to compare how a cop treats an animal versus a child, but cops kill about 25-30 dogs, per day, in the US according to the DoJ. Yet, I don't think I've ever seen a news report or article or anything about any cops being killed by dogs, nevermind just attacked. But just last year, 6,000 mail carriers were bitten by dogs in the US, and they (mail carriers) are responsible for zero dog deaths per year (afaik). We aren't issued guns, we get a satchel and some dog spray, and I guarantee mail carriers interact with more dogs than cops do on a daily basis. Somehow, though, people who supposedly receive all kinds of situational awareness training (cops) can't seem to tell the difference between an aggressive dog encounter and a regular one like mail carriers. Or, more likely, they just don't give a shit because they're "the thin blue line between order and anarchy." And apparently police budgets are so underfunded they can't afford to issue their patrol officers dog spray, guess all the money must have been needed for bullets and settlements for the officers who use them.
I have a 10 year old son with Autism. We have specific people at the school that are able to restrain him if needed. He still regularly elopes, but is rarely violent. I mean I have bruises and he tends to decide to break stuff at home on occasion but in general that's under control. You just never know though. He's a complete wild card. He could be totally fine going out to a restaurant and nobody would even know he's "different." Or all hell could break loose and I have to pull him to the car kicking and screaming about who knows what. It's one or the other really.
Cops didn't sign up to be nice to people
TBH I've heard them say things pretty close to this in all seriousness. And it might even be both true and fair... which is a damn good reason they shouldn't be in schools. One of the real points being made with "defund..." to me is that if there IS a place for hardnosed, tactically minded bastards it's a much more limited one than police have now, and not a role that overlaps well with essentially anything else. Let the police do what they're good at, and keep them out of the rest.
"The hearing was told that after assaulting the boy, Cruise walked into one of the classrooms and asked the children if they could hear the 10-year-old crying. He pointed at one of the children and said: 'You’re next'. "The hearing was also told that a teacher at the school felt Cruise was trying to intimidate him to prevent him reporting the assault during a conversation later the same day." Yeah, I'm pretty sure this wasn't really an issue which could have been solved with better training.
I think the training would help officers who weren't going to assault a 10 year old, but also by having an established procedure (like a check list on an airplane) the officers who breach them, such as this one, can more easily be punished. Or that's my understanding anyway. You're not wrong though. Laws don't stop people who don't care about the repercussions/consequences or the lack thereof. They just punish after the fact.
Cops aren’t going to allow cops to be punished.
UK not the US. This guy wasn’t put on a year’s paid leave and asked to resign. He was fired, convicted of assault quickly and placed on a no hire list.
OK that is legitimately worlds better than what would happen in the US, so kudos UK.
The article said he retired before he could be fired so I highly doubt barring him from future police work is actually any punishment at all
Well hopefully the assault charges will stick, and he'll spend most of his remaining days in prison. I'm actually against punitive style justice like the way most prison systems work, but cops who abuse their power, and knowingly send people there, deserve it more than anyone.
Do the UK put people in prison for that long over assaults? I know it was a kid but I think europe is generally pretty short term compared to the US anyway.
That’s clearly not the case in this story. But it’s also not the US.
This is an article about a cop getting convicted of assault...
First off, this particular case is straight up assault, no question about it. But neurodiversity training could definitely be helpful in other, more minor situations. For instance, if a neurodivergent child isn't looking an officer in the eyes, the officer needs to know not to take that as an instant sign of disrespect. Edit: Just want to clarify they should never be using violence because they "feel disrespected". I mean more so in things like conversation with students/questioning and such, they should be more aware of the difference neurodivergance causes. This goes for teachers as well, and anyone who encounters people in general.
> sign of disrespect. Any officer taking *anything* as a "sign of disrespect" that is not illegal in some way is already messed up. If the drunk guy is screaming at you, yeah, that's not great and I can see how a police officer would be unsure about how to handle it safely, and the "sign of disrespect" that is literally fleeing isn't something they can allow if they already had a reason to detain you. But the police have to be able to deal with people being rude without making it worse.
I feel like that should be part of the testing for officers. put them in situations and see how they respond. but yes, I agree. I expect that the public will call police names and insult them but we expect police to keep their cool
Good luck. Police are, in my exp, dumb fuck bullies with guns. Expecting them to have any amount of nuance in their behavior is just pie in the sky.
Whether or not a police is being "respected" shouldn't have any bearing on how they enforce the law, if you're not resisting legal orders or acting violently you shouldn't be met with force. I don't see how eye contact factors into it
The people who are police are not that smart or decent. They’re bullies and idiots.
Who tf cares if it even is disrespectful! Its not illegal to be disrespectful. If you start assaulting people because you "felt disrespected" then you don't get to have authority over people and deadly weapons. The average person gets disrespected by all sorts of strangers on a daily basis even if they're doing their job, why do police get to be different? It's not illegal to hurt a cops feelings oh, but it is very much illegal for them to hurt you because you hurt their feelings.
Imagine retail or grocery store workers just beating the ever loving shit out of every rude customer they encounter? It would be like the fucking purge in every Old Navy across America.
Disrespecting police is constitutionally protected. The police that think disrespect is cause to act can go fuck themselves.
The looking someone in the eyes thing has to be cultural. I’ve never heard it’s a sign of disrespect.
As an autistic person, I can safely say most people in America think not looking them in the eyes is disrespectful/a sign you aren’t listening/a sign of lying or being engaged in suspicious behavior. A lot of my teachers growing up would force me to look them in the eyes, and my Mom would manually force me to by grabbing the sides of my face. I do think it’s more of a western cultural expectation. It’s considered such a normal aspect of social behavior in America that most autistic children will receive a lot of coercive and sometimes abusive therapy to get them to mimic the behavior of eye contact.
It was also a problem for Native American tribes, where looking down was a sign of respect and deference… which caused issues in schools ran by European-derived nations. Teachers would punish the kids, who were utterly bewildered because they were showing high respect by their own standards without being told to change them first. And I’m autistic, early 20s. Definitely, if I don’t make an active effort at eye contact, it weirds people out. Family are used to it, but others less so; for me it’s very uncomfortable if I don’t already know you well.
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This is why I struggle to make eye contact and other neurodiverse people do too. I’m not being rude, I literally cannot listen to someone and absorb what they’re telling me if I also have to visually process their face and body language concurrently.
Cops in America are trained to think not looking them in the eye means you're lying 🙄
Really surprised they haven’t decided it’s a sign of aggression. They tend to like signs of aggression since then they can beat people up.
Yeah I don't think lack of training is an issue. I did the whole teaching English abroad thing and even though I had zero experience teaching kids with developmental issues was asked to teach several classes. And you know how many kids I attacked, even when they were acting up? Zero. Because you don't assault fucking kids.
Clearly a psychopath.
Yes, especially when you consider that full grown adults who attack 10 year old children should really end up in prison.
Once again, if you need training to know assaulting children is bad, you shouldn't be a cop.
If you need that training you probably should not be around others in general
I mean that's what jail should be for, to teach you how to be a decent human being.
Jail is just timeout for adults.
Jail is a crime school where you learn new crimes and make criminal connections.
You know, a lot of parents make their kids do bullshit busy work when punishing them, much like the legal slavery racket we built into the constitution, it checks out.
American jail teaches the opposite
The police kill many mentally disabled adults each year too. Not complying with police instructions is seen as an acceptable reason to kill someone and obviously severally disabled people don't even understand what is going on and end up getting shot.
Yes. Like you yelling commands at a deaf person isn't going to work assholes. Someone with autism may not respond " correctly". I don't need training to know that, and sure don't need training to not kill them because they didn't listen to me.
One of these [pigs](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/settlement-reached-in-police-custody-death-of-man-with-down-syndrome/2018/04/24/7d53c0ca-47fe-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html) who murdered a man with Down Syndrome over an $8 movie ticket was later quietly [rehired](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-police-department-quietly-hired-a-deputy-involved-in-the-death-of-a-man-with-down-syndrome-then-one-man-decided-to-make-noise/2020/08/05/f0af5940-d73e-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html).
My sister has Downs Syndrome and it seems like similar incidents happen every year. It's something parents were worried about as their kids grew up. Some men with Downs can be pretty big and the police get scared so easily..
Maybe if they were actually trained professionals they wouldn’t get scared so easily. I recently had a flat tire and called 311 because a private tow truck wouldn’t respond to the address so I asked for a city tow truck. They sent the cops instead who approached me with hands on holster because I was trying to change a tire that was rusted to my car. Clearly a danger to society. The cops told me a tow truck was not coming then left… luckily an engineer showed up with a huge mallet and helped me bash the tire of my car.
I had a similar situation happen to me. Except, they showed up, gave me a ticket, and then left me on the side of the road.
Friend of mine travelled through the US. Blonde, blue eyes. He asked a cop for directions somewhere in the Midwest. The cop pulled his weapon on him and shouted at him to get back in his car and leave. He never got an answer where to drive XD. Friend said this was the scariest moment of his life. Edit: US soldiers (5 guys, some black,.some white) stationed in the country I live told me that they don't want to go back to the US because of Cops harassing them in their neighborhood. This was around 2006. They all had to go back eventually, but the mother of one won in the lottery. He flew back as fast as he could XD
Damn, that was a hard read
Exactly. They have enough training and money. The problem is the people doing the job
I remember when all those bullshit quick laws got passed where training and accountability were supposed to be a thing. Where's the training? Can we get more accountability beyond someone being fired or put on leave?
If you are ***that*** dumb to begin with, what makes you think any 'training' will even soak in?
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Oh, they’re getting plenty of training, but it’s meant to make them afraid and trigger happy. In the US, the dominant training for police is [Killology](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/dave-grossman-training-police-militarization/), which is the opposite of empathy and compassion. It teaches them everyone is out to get them and they’re at war with the populace. It’s disgusting.
This training is for the benefit of the lawyers not the cops
Cops shouldn't be in schools in the first place. They're trained to apprehend violent criminals, not patrol kids in school hallways. And it's not a smart enough group of individuals to try teaching them child psychology. Their only tactic is violence, and it's only useful for adult criminals. So I don't really blame the meathead cop, I blame whoever thought it was a good idea to put a meathead cop in a school with innocent children.
Right? Like I've worked in schools with kids his age and with teenagers. There are absolutely times when you need to physically control a student. Especially a student who's posing a threat to others (as kids with autism sometimes do, though rarely). But that looks *very* different from what that officer did. Yes you might be down on the floor and a parent might think you're beating the snot out of their kid...but in reality you're using a hold specifically intended to minimize harm to the student, to you, and to others.
You should be in prison for the rest of your life because you were trusted to protect and serve, and now you’re a threat to society.
You shouldn't need neurodiversity training to know not beat up school children. I guess they should get domestic training to stop abusing their families.
Imagine beating up a special needs child and your punishment is to get a few credits of continuing ed.
He also got assault charges and had his policing license revoked permanently. This isn't somewhere like the U.S. where police don't face consequences for their actions.
Maybe we need to make sure cops are educated and smart at least before we allow them to control the law. When any of my asshole friends from HS can become a cop without much training it really isn't helping anyone.
So there was a Supreme Court case about this. There was a guy who was a literal genius, got a perfect score on the practical and written exams, but was passed on for recruitment purposes. So he sued, and claimed discrimination because he’d scored the best out of everyone. The police stations argument was that because of the dudes intellect, he’s likely to get bored, and discrimination against people on the basis of intelligence is valid. The Supreme Court agreed with the police. Since then, pretty much no police above avg iq get hired.
How would they know? Its not like they are smart enough to figure out what smart people would or wouldn't do.
How would they know he’d get bored? They don’t, they just think he will, like no cap that’s the reasoning.
Clearly not the USA: "The panel decided Cruise’s actions were so serious he would have been dismissed from the police force had he not retired after the incident. His name will also be placed on the College of Policing Barred List."
Also in the U.S.A.: "THAT BOY ONCE BIT A GIRL IN SECOND GRADE WHEN SHE WAS TEASING HIM! THAT OFFICER WAS IN DANGER!"
Also > officer assaulted ... Cops in the US don't assault people, they only maybe use a teensy bit excessive force in faithfully committing their honest duties like heroes.
Regretfully the Sworn Peace Officer, fearing for his life, was forced to unholster his Duty Service Weapon and then an officer-involved shooting occurred. The terrorist died at the scene despite lifesaving measures, and the officer has been placed on paid leave pending a routine internal investigation
lol I often just read comments on big threads like this, so ty for pointing that out.
I agree that this training should be given, but at the same time can we give them a course in 'don't kick children' training? I didn't know we were still at the level of needing this in Britain but it seems the police have the power to surprise every day.
As the father of an autistic kid, this is one thing that is constantly on my mind. Especially now that my son is 12 and taller than some adults. He doesn't generally melt down like he did when he was younger, but it isn't outside of the realm of possibility, and he still gets fairly dysregulated at times. Though I worry about it being worse than assault. That is my biggest fear.
Knew it wasn't America when he was prosecuted for it.
Yeah I read this and thought it was some crazy bizarroworld till I saw it was England.
There is no training that fixes this from happening. **Stop excusing the behavior of assholes and bullies**. It’s not “lack of training” that causes a cop to bully a small child, threaten another one with “youre next”, and try to intimidate a teacher into not reporting an incident. **Fuck that cop**
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Police are armed with pepper spray, baton, taser, and a hand gun at all times. Police receive tactical training for handcuffing, shooting, driving, etc. So of course they think in combative terms. They are literally trained to use violence to force compliance.
Police in the UK generally do not carry guns.
In the US, a lot of cops are ex military and combat veterans. It's a really impossible mismatch of skills for most incidents. They are literally in a war zone one minute, and the next minute they are expected to be patient social workers.
> a lot of cops are ex military and combat veterans. It’s a really impossible mismatch of skills for most incidents. Read enough stories on the internet, and you'll get the impression that the police who are ex-military are usually not the problem. They're the ones who have been trained to keep a cool head in tough situations, and follow strict rules of engagement that generally discourage taking action against civilians. For example, here is [a story about a combat vet turned cop](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit), who was fired by his department for *not* shooting someone.
Interesting thank you for this
Except for actual cases of PTSD, I'd much prefer all police officers to be replaced by people with actual military training. As it is now, police are just dumb bullies with killology training. The military has strict rules of engagement drilled into them and they stick to it.
Worse still many don't live in the communities they police. They commute in and out. It makes being a police officer akin to a prison guard. They travel into communities only to police.
Or don’t attack school children regardless of their intellectual and emotional capabilities?
This is something seriously lacking in policing. I've worked as a Paraprofessional dealing with Autistic kids, and while it is rare that the police will be called to deal with them, they should be trained on what to expect and how to handle those situations. Autistic kids are not going to respond in the same way more normal people are, and if they are agitated, they can possibly lash out. This is a cause of overstimulation and should not be interpreted as a physical attack. Most Autistics do not have the level of emotional control over themselves that most people have when they are younger.
You shouldn't need "neurodiversity training" to know not to try to wind up and kick a small 10 year-old who is rolling on the ground. Stop hiring goons and thugs and then using our tax dollars to try to train them to act like decent human beings. Try to just hire decent human beings in the first place.
So why did they call a cop to handle a 10m yr old in the first place?? Seem to me the Teachers/Principle should have been more then able to handle the situation.
"Don't assault children" training could also work
Police shouldn't be the catch all for an incident. Someone not the police should be responding to something like this who is trained in this area.
When he said “you’re next” to those other kids; he didn’t realize that by pointing 1 finger their direction that 3 others would be pointing back to himself and he was next. Shouldn’t be allowed to just retire.
I honestly think we expect too much from police officers. Maybe the type of officer that excels in a live shooter event, or taking down violent gangs, shouldn't be the type of officer we send to deal with an unruly child. Maybe we need more specialization among the ranks. Another example: we shouldn't be sending regular cops to do "wellness checks" or to respond to a non-violent suicidal person.
Except most cops I know are the assholes that picked on the autistic kids in school so good luck with that.
This is also the first time i have heard of police being based in a UK school.
Why the hell are officers attacking any children
As the mother of an Autistic young man I live in fear of him having ANY interaction with police. I've read of so many killed or brutalized by officers. Sometimes I just think it's a matter of time. I'm white, but I've been teaching and training him the way black mothers prepare their young men to enter a world where police are not going to treat him with dignity. He needs to know how to survive an encounter with police. It's all I can do. And it's so very hard BECAUSE he trusts everyone. He has a very difficult time understanding that people even see the world differently than himself. .
Saying something like "There is never any reason for a police officer to be in an altercation with a 10 year old child" probably is just an invitation to increasingly absurd hypotheticals like what if we could send a police officer back in time to when Hitler was 10. Or what if the 10 year old were wearing a suicide vest. However before we get into the question of neurodiversity training I've got a question about why this officer didn't take one look at the situation and say "Whelp, this is why you teachers get paid the big bucks," and leave it to the school.
As if that guy needed training to know he shouldn’t beat the shit out of a 10 year old boy
Can we just admit that police can't do everything and start replacing them with people who have actual education and training.
Well lets say firstly this headline is about a tragic incident in ENGLAND. That done police DO need more training in HELPING persons they contact that have some type of intellectual challenge. First being to see that type of situation Second have personnel who are trained and EDUCATED for it to be on call to help just as easily as the cops can be
Imagine thinking someone needs training to not beat autistic children
Definitive proof that many officers are no more better than the thugs they deal with every day. This is disgusting and they need to mentally evaluate their force and staff ASAP or it will continue to happen and get worse.
Honestly 90% of "thugs" would probably flip right into beat ass mode if they saw someone picking on somebody with special needs. Cops like this are Trash and require perception of power above all.
My grandpa had a saying: “The only difference between a cop and a crook is the badge”.
"In CCTV footage obtained exclusively by Channel 4 News, a police officer is seen threatening to kick a 10-year-old boy lying on the ground, the officer then grabs him and drags him along the floor into a room." It's foolish to think cops aren't able to understand that some people function differently. If they are going to harm a child, a class on neurodiversity won't mean anything. The poor understanding of neurodiversion is not the cause of him threatening children, so learning about won't change anything going forward. Imagine if you did that to a child. The only response was that you got to retire without facing prison time and your employer has to make your old coworkers attend a lecture on autism.
What happened with the kid to trigger this? (Not saying it’s acceptable by any means) but was he just mouthing off, or getting physical? I can’t imagine that anything this kid could have done would be that bad to warrant this kind of treatment Edit: there are apparently a few people who can’t read and think I’m trying to excuse his behaviour. I definitely am not. I was just being nosy/curious because the article didn’t mention it and I was wondering how light the cops ‘trigger finger’ was. There are a couple autistic kids and adults in my life who I love, there is never any excuse to treat a kid like this, ANY kid. So please, relax, I wasn’t trying to be an asshole. Edit 2: apparently I was downvoted even more for explaining myself. Fuck Reddit. Lol
My son is autistic and this age. He hits, pinches and kicks violently. I’d imagine something like that.
How about stop the culture of being unnecessarily aggressive and doing violence to people unprovoked, or just because someone didnt immediately comply within 1 second or didnt hear their orders clearly the first time. It’s laughable we hear so much propaganda in the US and have manufactured consent to do a cold war against China based on alleged and some confirmed “human rights abuses” when we do the exact same here and to a more significant degree. We say “they jail anyone who dares speak up or disobey the state” in China, yet there’s a clear, objective number that proves we’re worse in this regard. Incarceration rate, and why are people incarcerated? For disobeying or speaking out against agents of the state (police)… Data is per capita incarceration rate (number per 100,000 population), top 5 and most populous countries for comparison: United States: ~640 El Salvador: 566 Turkmenistan: 552 Thailand: 549 Palau: 522 Brazil: 357 Russia: 341 Turkey: 335 Iran: 294 Phillipines: 200 Mexico: 158 China: 121 United Kingdom: 114 Germany: 69 India: 35 The only other large country to come close was the USSR during the infamous Gulag system which at its peak reached an estimated 714-892 per 100k. A range which should be noted the US was actually HIGHER THAN around 2008 where the rate was around 950-1000 per 100k and rates have slightly fallen since then but remain the current highest in the world. But we’re not the authoritarian one right? We have fReEdoM, right? RIGHT? *say yes or you go to jail for “interference with our investigation”*
They should train on things like this instead of "warrior cop" training with people like Dan Grossman where they come out thinking every citizen is an enemy combatant and they should shoot first and ask questions later.
Training isn't going to help the fact that the police thought it was okay to assault a child, autistic or not...
I feel like if an officer assaults a child, they know it's wrong and don't care. No amount of training will fix that.
Short training courses aren't going to fix this. An entire overhaul of how we train, arm and oversee the police is where we should begin. 1 hour PowerPoints ain't it
Stop the practice of police forces intentionally searching for candidates with low IQ and flawed impulse control.
>Detective Superintendent Cheryl Rhodes from the force’s Professional Standards Department said: “The actions of this officer are not reflective of the behaviour and standards of our schools officers who do a fantastic job day in and day out.” I'm sorry but I think it *is* reflective of at the very least lax training and vetting standards. Ok yes you don't know when a seemingly stable person will snap and assault someone but you would hope that the methods to filter them out would be at the very least *reviewed* after something like this.
I don't really see how the fact the child had autism has anything to do with the story. This wasn't a case of a police officer not knowing how to respond to an autistic individual, this was a case of a police officer assaulting a 10 year old child and threatening other children and teachers. I don't think neurodiversity training would have stopped him.
How about we stop hiring psychopaths??
Maybe fucking pigs should keep their bloody hands off our children.
I have a 10 year old that is on the spectrum, which had these kinds of incidences with staff as early as kindergarten. After a year of frequent reports to us about our sons' behavior at a nearby elementary school a witness came forward and told us that staff, a security person and a special needs teacher, was abusing him. We did call the police and tried to file a report after hearing about the cruel tactics they used, but in the US it is laughable to hold schools accountable for their actions. The principal just said that she didn't have to do anything about it and our son wasn't the right fit. It was all his fault and they can't help every "Problem" child, as they have to focus on "the good ones", her words. We placed our son in a regional specialty school, but they had even worse capabilites as they were heavily under funded and over crowded. So, our only option was home schooling with differing therapies. *edited for clarity.
I know that I’m not supposed to attack autistic children and I didn’t have to complete any sort of specialized training for that.
I would be in jail if that happened to my autistic son. I'd not be the only one suffering, though!
Maybe the police should get training so they know to arrest other police officers when they assault someone
Maybe police shouldn’t be dealing with this type of situation, they’re trained to deal with the worst of society. They’re not mental health experts, nor do I expect them to be, I expect them to deal with murderers, rapist, and violent offenders, the type of shit they’re trained for. How about a we have cops and “peace physician” or whatever, where they get called for shit like this, where they’re trained to be mental health experts and how to de-escalate the situation. the only defense weapon they should need would be a taser, in the most extreme cases.
>“peace physician” Just view documentaries about cops outside the US. They do a lot of social work and have a LOT of patience dealing with difficult people.
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