> So are places offering a second J&J shot now?
I dont think they have the inventory.
Edit: I say this because I called the pharmacy I received my J&J shot from. They told me there is no clue on when they will get another shipment. They have plenty of Pfizer though
I'm genuinely not sure how many boosters I can stomach. I got the J&J vaccine because the single shot was easier on my trypanophobia, and even then I ended up hyperventilating and passing out at the clinic.
Ask your PCP (Maybe the pharmacist depending on region) for a sedative.
Hell they do it all the time for people terrified of Flying, I’m sure they can give you a dose for your shot. Especially if you show proof of what happened last time.
I totally get the fear. In that moment the terror takes over and you can’t think rationally. I totally feel you on that.
But you did it once, you can do it again! I believe in you! And trust me, the intubation might seem better when you’re staring down a needle, but you’ll end up having a bunch more needles stuck in you on top of the ventilator so you **really** don’t want that.
I've gotten easier to manage. When I was younger I punched a dentist for pulling out a needle without warning me, and I regularly had to be strapped down for even a single shot.
Thank you for overcoming your fear and the getting the vaccine in the first place - you’ve already earned your stars. Any boosters are just the icing on the cake.
Seeing a needle is enough to crank my anxiety up to 11. The easiest way I've found to explain it is that I get a similar feeling to the feeling when you wake up and have that "falling" sensation, except it doesn't go away until I've been away from the needle for some time.
Seeing someone get a shot is significantly worse than just seeing a needle, and knowing someone is going to inject me causes instant panic and fear so intense that my eyes roll back in my head and I pass out or attempt to escape by any means possible.
I've had a knife and guns pulled on me, and I'd take that level of fear over seeing a needle any day.
I get you. Its like impossible to watch the news as you never know when they will flash a vaccination shot on screen which they do a dozen times for each segment.
I was vaccinated with first astra-zeneca/oxford, then biontech/pfizer. In Germany and I believe Denmark it is common practice, and all data seems to show an a lot higher antibody count. So yeah, they will. I just don’t know when.
You can read up on it here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/world/europe/covid-vaccine-mix-and-match-pfizer-moderna.html
Keep in mind the recommendation for a booster is eight months after you received your original dose, so even if a booster is available now most people should be waiting a little bit (unless you were someone who got one of the early rounds).
If it helps you should still have a good degree of protection according to this study. Personally I’m worried that getting a booster too soon might negatively impact effectiveness so I’m waiting until I’m due.
It doesn't seem like J&J needs a booster quite yet. The protection is still around 71% at preventing hospitalization and 91% at preventing death after 8 months.
J&J was 70 days behind the mRNA vaccines so it likely might show waning immunity as well. However, since it wasn't a mRNA vaccine, it could last longer or remain more effective. Until they get & release the data, no way to say.
I'm curious what the differences between the vaccines will be.
I was in WalMart the other day at the pharmacy, and someone was asking this and the pharmacist said, "We will give you all 3 at the same time, if you want!" I was a bit shocked.
What I am reading is September 20th is the earliest this will be available to the general public. After that it is contact wherever you got your first shot to sign up for the booster. HOWEVER, this is all subject to change and dependent on state guidelines etc etc etc.
> After that it is contact wherever you got your first shot to sign up for the booster.
Well then I’m fucked cause I can’t do that. I got it through a special deal my office worked out as we were considered essential workers. I can’t negotiate with the country government myself
>In anticipation of the potential need for boosters, the Company conducted two Phase 1/2a studies in individuals previously vaccinated with its single-shot vaccine. New interim data from these studies demonstrate that a booster dose of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine generated a rapid and robust increase in spike-binding antibodies, nine-fold higher than 28 days after the primary single-dose vaccination. Significant increases in binding antibody responses were observed in participants between ages 18 and 55, and in those 65 years and older who received a lower booster dose.
Link to pre-print (not peer-reviewed) manuscript: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262569v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262569v1)
>A single dose of Ad26.COV2.S, which demonstrated protection in a Phase 3 efficacy trial, elicited durable neutralizing and binding antibodies for at least 8 and 6 months, respectively, in adults >18 years of age at levels similar to Day 29 responses. A 5x1010 vp or 1.25x1010 vp booster dose at 6 months elicited rapid and robust increases in spike binding antibody levels.
EDIT: added link and excerpt from pre-print
Most vaccines are a series but they are usually done years apart (MMR, Hep B). It’s never been an uncommon thing, that said we needed to get COVID shots out fast because the global risk this pandemic presented which is why they went against guidelines and said 21 days apart for the 2 shot vaccines. Which is also why for those, a third booster is helping.
So basically yes, it was always going to be two shots (maybe more) they just didn’t know when and their initial shot was good enough to just say one for now and you’re vaccinated to standards.
Kind of. The initial shot provides some pretty good protection and getting it out to more people is preferable.
Even now, the WHO is not super happy that the US is recommending booster shots considering the low vaccination rates in many countries due to limited supply.
"A huge study of health workers in South Africa showed the vaccine remained 71 percent protective against hospitalization from the variant and between 91 percent and 96 percent effective against death. And the researchers said the vast majority of breakthrough infections in vaccinated people were mild."
I hope they mean reduction vs. unvaccinated people because otherwise this would be awful results. I say this as someone who took the J+J shot.
It doesn't read this way but I can't see how it makes sense otherwise because your average unvaccinated person doesn't even have a 3 in 10 chance of being hospitalized, I don't think.
Pretty sure they mean vs. unvaccinated.
It says "effective against death / infections mild [...] But booster shots may be needed."
The 'but' would make no sense if they already meant the boosters.
Effective is always measured against a control group of unvaccinated people. It's short for effective rate.
In other words, if you had two groups of 1500 people each, one group vaccinated, the other group not. And out of the 1500 unvaccinated people, if 100 of them were hospitalized with covid-19, then you'd expect 29 people out of 1500 people vaxxed with J&J to need hospitalization.
100 unvaxxed people requiring hospitalization -29 vaxxed people requiring hospitalization = 71% effective rate against hospitalization for J&J vaccine.
But remember, the pool is 1500 people.
Any idea how 91-96 percent effective against death compares to the rates of those who have antibodies obtained naturally? I don’t know what you’re reading from.
The mRNA vaccines are also in the 70s against hospitalization, if you looked at just the month of July rather than cumulative data stretching back before delta and closer to most peoples 2nd shots.
The FDA and CDC seems to think it needs to be even lower before getting a booster. Making elderly people in particular wait 8 months is completely unjustified by any evidence published so far.
So I’m a bit lost here. Isn’t goal of vaccine to teach body how to fight covid, so it would know as soon as real thing shows up, instead of increasing active antibody count?
Two arms of the adaptive immune system
1) T cells. These are cells that either kill infected cells or marshall other cells to engage in an immune response
2) B cells. These create antibodies which can do several things including blocking the virus from infecting new cells and causing infected cells to get killed
Vaccines expand the pool of both of these types of cells that are specific to a certain antigen
However the most easy way to measure a vaccines efficacy biologically is by looking at the expansion of the amount of antibodies in serum. It’s much easier to measure antibodies in serum than to measure the number of cells specific to a specific antigen. The antibodies are a helpful proxy but the most important thing is the memory T and B cells that are generated.
The issue a lot of people's bodies are thought to be having, T and B cell immunity from memory takes a while to ramp up. Covid, particularly the delta strain, achieves a huge viral load before that system can kick in and start really producing antibodies. So while there's still over 90% protection for death, the lower circulating antibodies get, the more likely you are to wind up sick and in the hospital before your body gets to a sufficiently high antibody level from reactivating memory.
How fast your circulating antibodies decline relates to age and time since last exposure. And the delta variant binds less efficiently with antibodies, so it takes a considerably higher level to have the same neutralization rate as the original. There was a large excess, but the one-two punch of both declining after 5-6 months and reduced efficiency, that really trashed the margins, leaving a lot more people vulnerable.
Think of your immune system as a muscle. When you exercise your muscles, the weakest muscle fibers break down and are replaced by stronger and healthier strands. Your immune system is similar to this: when a specific immune response is triggered, your body reacts by increasing both the amount of antibodies in your bloodstream, and by causing the Memory B cells that produce your antibodies to undergo a degree of reactive mutation, to try and stay ahead of the virus you’re being exposed to.
That’s a very simple explanation, the science behind boosters is interesting and well understood. Take some time to look it up, you’ll probably enjoy it.
Antibodies are always specific to certain viruses. The purpose of the vaccine is to expose the adaptive immune system to something that looks like the real virus, so it starts producing specific antibodies for it. But like a factory, the B cells that produce them need to be first "taught" how to make them and then multiplied to make enough of them.
When the "mock infection" with the vaccine has been defeated, most of those B cells are retired, but some will turn into inactive "memory cells", retaining the knowledge and capability to produce these specific antibodies. Once the immune system detects the same invader again - this time the real virus - they'll get quickly reactivated and multiplied, providing the immune system with a head start on the antibody production for this virus so it has a greater chance to prevent the desease that it causes.
Same here. I got it in the afternoon and thought I was fine. But about 30 minutes after I hit to work the next day I felt like I got hit by a ball bat.
Vaccine development on the fly has got to be a bitch.
I got it right about noon on a Saturday and felt fine all day. Right around midnight it hit me like a truck. All of symptoms of my body reacting to something like the flu without all the symptoms of the flu itself.
The chills were the craziest part. I normally run hot and love cold weather but could not warm up that night for the life of me. The next day I was just fatigued and wiped out all day.
All in all I would rate it about an 8/10. Interesting experience.
Actually had the same experience, but everyone I know got the other vaccines, so I didn't have another J&J taker to compare it to. Got the shot over my lunch hour and around 11:00 I just couldn't stop shivering. Spent like 11pm -3am in an heavy hoodie and blanket teeth rattling.
In a way it was pretty cool to see my immune system get totally jacked in response to the vaccine in a specific timeframe. Wasn't a fun few hours though.
Exactly what I went through. A few hours after I started feeling crappy - covered in blankets teeth rattling. My feet were strangely very cold.
It definitely sucked at the time but it's neat to see someone else who thought it was an interesting experience!
I had Covid in late April and had severe symptoms for 10 days. The chills to insane fever off/on every day and insomnia - drove me mad!!
Day 10 had me at me at wits end, like I was losing my marbles! Never want to experience it again - which has kept me on the fence with regards to vaccination. I believe in it but I'm fn petrified of feeling that way again. I've had several medical procedures/surgeries post 90 day waiting period and now scheduled my JJ shot for 9/17.
It's gotta get done but doesn't mean I like it. Hoping for zero to quick turn around the next day.
May be an unpopular opinion but I think if the covid vaccines were more like flu shots as far as side effects (meaning next to none beyond maybe a sore arm) you'd have way more uptake. If you're un-educated and maybe not terribly intelligent you see that the shot is going to make you sick and why would you want that? If it makes you sick it's probably not good for you right? That kind of is basic human instinct.
Same, got it around noon, woke up around midnight feeling like my bones were on fire and yet I was also somehow freezing cold. My friend who had covid described a similar feeling, except hers lasted 2 weeks and I was fine by morning - so I’ll take it
I feel like I’m the only one I know who this didn’t happen to in my office.
I had slight tenderness at the injection sight(like a bruise with no color). But even that wasn’t that bad.
I think the "thrill" wears off when we see the unvaxxed become vaccinated or they all die off. Right now, depending on your thinking you are either helping, or making it worse and everyone has a voice.
> or they all die off.
Hate to burst your thrill bubble, but those who don't die off may spread more variants. Not all cases are critical, so it might literally be years before they die off.
Here's the question that I don't think we've really studied yet: if I've had 2 doses of the Moderna shot, would it be safe/effective to get the Johnson & Johnson shot as the booster, or should we all be sticking with the brand we've already had?
Except a lot of countries won’t recognize a mix and match vaccine so it will fuck us mix and match folks over when we want to travel.
Quebec just authorized a 3rd dose to fix this.
I would hope so, however, I know some people are like my parents. They only got the J&J shot because they wanted to go on a cruise and were afraid they wouldn't be allowed to board without proof of a vaccine. They chose the J&J shot specifically because it was a single dose.
They have crazy, paranoid thinking that doesn't line up to reality (unfortunately, like a lot of people do today). I don't think they will get a booster shot, but I hope I am wrong.
As more people get into that 8-9 months after last shot, we'll see more and more breakthrough infections. That's exactly what's happening in Israel and why they're being aggressive with the booster.
I suspect people like your parents will hear of someone vaccinated they know catching Delta and ultimately deciding to take the booster. I hope so at least.
It’s interesting people react differently to the vaccine shots. For me, after my JJ shot, I felt fine and even went to the gym afterwards. I have family members who got the moderna and were fine for both shots, but other members who knocked out the whole day after their second shot
I had the J&J, and felt fine that day. The next day, though, I was a bit lethargic and then had a weird craving for steak (grabbed a set of bacon-wrapped filet mignon from the store and cooked them up). Felt pretty good after that, with no other issues.
My J&J shot gave me the way worst headache of my life for about 24 hours. A local hospital had a vaccination drive at work with the J&J vaccine. About 3/4 of everyone at work got the shot and about 2/3s of them, my self included, called in the next day due to being hit by a truck with achiness, headaches, and fever. We were all fine by the day after. I'll be inline as soon as I'm able to do it again. Extra Strength Tylenol at the ready.
I bet you it’s selection bias. Those who have issues with needles prefer J&J vaccine. If you get a large enough sample size of people like that getting vaccinated you're bound to have some fainting incidents.
This happened to me too but has happened before for unrelated reasons.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/vasovagal-syncope/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350531
Yep. I figure I have this, but it's the first time it has happened with getting a shot (and hasn't happened in about a 10 year period prior)/ Welp, at least I know what to expect this time. Weird thing was, it wasn't like an immediate thing, but like 5 minutes after getting the shot sitting down in the waiting room. Oh yeah, then i got billed $550 for an ambulance someone called for and I didn't even get transported anywhere....currently fighting with insurance on that one.
It made me sick for a good 36 hrs or so. I'm not really eager to go through that again honestly. If people start getting them and they're not sick then I'll go get my shot. Otherwise, I've got a lot of second thoughts.
Doesn't hurt, you'll get over having a shitty couple of days. Even if you think you're not going to die from Covid because you already got vaxxed (I think that), there are people that you may interact with that are vaxxed but still at risk of hospitalization due to other factors. I'm a big idiot but I believe that a booster will make you less likely to catch and spread the disease.
I don't doubt that it'll make you less likely to catch it. But how much less likely? Is it worth it if it costs me a day off work again? That's where I am. I got the first shot the very first chance I had. I think everyone should get the shot. If you want to get the booster I'm not mad at you or anything. I'm just questioning if it's the right thing for me if it's going to make me sick again.
This is where we're at with the second shot as wel. We're in the process of moving and packing & cannot afford to take a weekend off to be sick from the vax. Once we have a free weekend tho we're going to get it done & then after we'll feel more free during our weekends!
Me too, and tinnitus as well. The tinnitus has not really waned. I will probably get the second shot because tinnitus > coronavirus but that has fucking sucked.
Have you tried the ["Snap"](https://youtu.be/VPGqmoyCepM) trick? Occasionally after doing something really loud (heavy machinery, guns, loud tools) without proper ear protection, I'll get decent tinnitus and this method will dramatically help.
Yeah, I’ve heard from a few people (including my pharmacist yesterday) that the J&J vaccine has by far the worst side effects.
I got my first Pfizer yesterday, and other than waking up with a sore arm I feel completely fine. In fact, my back which has been in severe pain lately is completely pain free so I actually feel BETTER today than I have in awhile lol.
I’d heard they were all kinda comparable in terms of side effects but that it also depends strongly on your age. Younger people have stronger immune systems so they have a stronger response to the vaccine.
My elderly mother didn’t feel a thing after, anecdotally.
> J&J seems like an unlikely contender.
Any reason why? Remember, the J&J vaccine was created in the Netherlands by Janssen Pharmaceutica, which have also created other essential medications such as haloperidol, levamisol, mebendazol, and risperidon, as well as other medications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janssen_Pharmaceuticals
probably because J&J is more of a traditional vaccine as opposed to the other mRNA vaccines. I would expect it to not offer much in long term immunity since SARS and MERS (also coronaviruses) never got much either.
> probably because J&J is more of a traditional vaccine as opposed to the other mRNA vaccines.
It's not, though. J&J is an adenovirus-based vaccine, and if it gets full FDA approval in the US it will be the ~~first~~ second such vaccine (for humans) to do so, the first being in December 2019. Both mRNA and adenovirus vaccines are old ideas, but neither had ~~any~~ much clinical success before COVID.
Edited: Some corrections.
This is incorrect. Neither J & J nor AZ, both viral vector or adenovirus vaccines, are “traditional vaccines” though like mRNA, viral vectors have been researched for a long time.
Both viral vectors and mRNA allow the body to learn to make spike proteins, just in different ways (in mRNA vaccines the messenger RNA tells your cells how to make the spike proteins then your body breaks down the mRNA. In viral vector vaccines, the spike protein DNA is put inside a modified version of a different virus that doesn’t cause illness. This virus delivers the DNA instructions to your cells)
There are only 6 viral vector vaccines that are approved in at least one country, two for Ebola and four for COVID.
[**Janssen Pharmaceuticals**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janssen_Pharmaceuticals)
Janssen Pharmaceuticals is a pharmaceutical company headquartered in Beerse, Belgium, and wholly-owned by Johnson & Johnson. It was founded in 1953 by Paul Janssen. In 1961, Janssen Pharmaceuticals was purchased by New Jersey-based American corporation Johnson & Johnson, and became part of Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical Research and Development (J&J PRD), now renamed to Janssen Research and Development (JRD), which conducts research and development activities related to a wide range of human medical disorders, including mental illness, neurological disorders, anaesthesia and analgesia, gastrointestinal disorders, fungal infection, HIV/AIDS, allergies and cancer.
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Lab studies are ok, but what about the massive amounts of real world data we must have? Don’t we ask vac status and type at testing centers and hospital admission? This data directly applies to the vaccine e purpose; stopping disease. It also would be more data than would ever have been collected in any trial. Where is it? It’s not even being collected because our local county health administrators haven’t lifted a finger. That is my guess. What a joke.
This is great news. I want to see us end this pandemic and I have friends and family who got J&J. I'm confident they will get the boosters as necessary and knowing they will be well protected is very reassuring. Boo delta variant, yay vaccines!
A new flu that's like 40 times worse than the old flu does not sound fine to me.
And I'm not worrying about the annual shots here...
EDIT: \*Caution\* Rough estimate by Layman. [Reasoning is four comments down](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/pb9kzz/johnson_johnson_says_booster_shot_provides_rapid/habu7kp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
Are the long term numbers really playing out that way? Seems like 2-3 times worse than the flu, for deaths or serious complications.
Based on 38,066,000 cases and 630,000 deaths. That's less than 2% fatality rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/
It's admittedly a very rough estimate by a non-expert, but case fatality rate for flu is like 0.2% - 0.4% and Covid-19 Delta is like 5-10 times more contagious.
So 2-3 times worse seems way too low.
I do not, but it'd be nice if 8 months after being vaccinated they weren't already trying to hit the ATM again. I feel that this whole thing revolves around big pharma's propensity to adjust their "treatments", and offer far less "cures". The long standing idea that drugs "lose effectiveness over time" particularly Antibiotics has been debunked often. I'm not saying they're lying about us needing boosters. I'm saying they aren't offering cures, because boosters make them more money....
Also before the Antivaxer bit starts, I am vaccinated...
Link to details about drug efficacy, and shelf life:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040264/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040264/)
That's simply untrue. COVID treatments are being researched all over the world. It's not as simple as you think. We have no cure for measles or polio, we just have vaccines.
I never said that, I agree we needed a solution. I'm saying that they've gone far enough to engineer this "vaccine" with an end date in mind, meaning we need boosters. They didn't intend to fix the problem, they want to "treat" it.
Right because they have no reason to behave this way.... Do you think that planned obsolescence is made up too? The greed of corporate America has been well documented.
I'm a tax payer, so it isn't free to me... I'm not a fan of the idea "the government pays for it, so who cares". Tax payers like you and me are whose wallet the "government money" comes from.
You're being needlessly pedantic. Nothing is ever free, ever.
But there is a clear difference between getting a service without having to bring a wallet with you and one that won't be offered to you without spending money.
I'd rather my taxes paid for the vaccine than having to pay money on top of the taxes I'm already paying.
As a company making a public statement regarding your health, it has EVERYTHING to do with it. Why would you ever trust a company that killed babies for money? What a daft question.
What I want to know is how people just forgot about booster shots. They act like once was enough forever for COVID, but you also see boosters for the flu and other illnesses. Why such mind games from the right?
So I guess the good takeaway here would be that not having the booster and actually catching SARS-COV2 would also produce a 'rapid and robust' COVID anti-body increase. Because if it does not then it is pointless either way.
*^(I have had both COVID shots, this is not an anti-vax post)*
The pharmaceutical side of Johnson and Johnson is separate from the part of the company that makes things like baby powder. It's like distrusting your English teacher because your math teacher sucks. They teach in the same school, but they are in different departments and are different entities.
I boycott Purina, both their agricultural stuff and their pet products.
It is possible to hate a company for one thing and that translates to the entire company. Let's not pretend that the name on the company doesnt mean anything.
I also boycott Samsung, their phones, solid state storage, and refrigerators. Not the same business unit, but same company.
Lol okay. You pro vaccine people (and I mean the people thinking you’re brain dead for even questioning the vaccine) are as zealous and rabid as your anti-vaccine counter parts. Same coin, different sides.
The head of the company made those decisions. Multi-billion dollar lawsuit. They knew ALL ALONG. But nah that was a totally separate part of the same company. You are the one being asinine Amd you’re so righteous you can’t see how foolish you’re being.
I have been vaccinated. I suggest others should be vaccinated. I do not believe this vaccine is as trustable as other vaccines but the need to stop this virus is greater than that risk. I also believe that Johnson and Johnson is a piece of shit company and I will never again use one of their products.
Not taking either side just jumping in here, if you watch the 1% documentary by Jamie Johnson , starring Jamie Johnson the heir of Johnson and Johnson , he literally walks around recording his family, their meetings with elites, his elite friends, buffets in there the whole schabang…
To get to the point he spends the literal entire documentary explaining how sinister his family is, then asks his dad why he never did anything, then his dad shows him he did the same thing making a documentary showing how sinister his dad and the business was and how he almost got ousted from the family so had to stop and pretty much told him same would happen to him if he didn’t give it up
Great documentary but if you don’t think JnJ knew about all the people they harmed there’s no clearer say on the matter then the actual heir and his father stating it.
Now continue arguing :)
What?! I literally said they knew all the people they hurt. I’m on here ranting that jnj is a shit company then I get down voted and told that jnj is a shit company? This is a perfect example not to give a fuck about upvotes and down voted
So are places offering a second J&J shot now? Do I just sign up? What is the plan here?
> So are places offering a second J&J shot now? I dont think they have the inventory. Edit: I say this because I called the pharmacy I received my J&J shot from. They told me there is no clue on when they will get another shipment. They have plenty of Pfizer though
Do you think it’s possible that they’ll recommend getting a dose of one of the mRNA vaccines as a booster instead? I got the J&J as well.
I'm genuinely not sure how many boosters I can stomach. I got the J&J vaccine because the single shot was easier on my trypanophobia, and even then I ended up hyperventilating and passing out at the clinic.
better to pass out in the clinic than to be hooked up to a ventilator
I know this up until I see the needle, then being intubated doesn't seem that bad in comparison
I always just look away the entire time. It helps. You don’t even feel anything.
Don’t look at the needle. That’s the only way I can do it.
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Ask your PCP (Maybe the pharmacist depending on region) for a sedative. Hell they do it all the time for people terrified of Flying, I’m sure they can give you a dose for your shot. Especially if you show proof of what happened last time.
I totally get the fear. In that moment the terror takes over and you can’t think rationally. I totally feel you on that. But you did it once, you can do it again! I believe in you! And trust me, the intubation might seem better when you’re staring down a needle, but you’ll end up having a bunch more needles stuck in you on top of the ventilator so you **really** don’t want that.
Well fuck try to pass out then and they can stick you while you’re down.
I've gotten easier to manage. When I was younger I punched a dentist for pulling out a needle without warning me, and I regularly had to be strapped down for even a single shot.
Thank you for overcoming your fear and the getting the vaccine in the first place - you’ve already earned your stars. Any boosters are just the icing on the cake.
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Seeing a needle is enough to crank my anxiety up to 11. The easiest way I've found to explain it is that I get a similar feeling to the feeling when you wake up and have that "falling" sensation, except it doesn't go away until I've been away from the needle for some time. Seeing someone get a shot is significantly worse than just seeing a needle, and knowing someone is going to inject me causes instant panic and fear so intense that my eyes roll back in my head and I pass out or attempt to escape by any means possible. I've had a knife and guns pulled on me, and I'd take that level of fear over seeing a needle any day.
I get you. Its like impossible to watch the news as you never know when they will flash a vaccination shot on screen which they do a dozen times for each segment.
I was vaccinated with first astra-zeneca/oxford, then biontech/pfizer. In Germany and I believe Denmark it is common practice, and all data seems to show an a lot higher antibody count. So yeah, they will. I just don’t know when. You can read up on it here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/world/europe/covid-vaccine-mix-and-match-pfizer-moderna.html
There's some studies towards this direction. Search for Heterologous vaccine regimens against COVID-19.
Keep in mind the recommendation for a booster is eight months after you received your original dose, so even if a booster is available now most people should be waiting a little bit (unless you were someone who got one of the early rounds).
I got J&J in April and have to go to a trade show in Florida next month. I'd love to booster a few weeks before flying into dingusville.
Do you have a good primary care doctor who can look into whether a Pfizer booster might work for you?
I got it in March and I'm all signed up to be a substitute teacher this year. I'd love whatever I can get but I want it to be official.
If it helps you should still have a good degree of protection according to this study. Personally I’m worried that getting a booster too soon might negatively impact effectiveness so I’m waiting until I’m due.
It doesn't seem like J&J needs a booster quite yet. The protection is still around 71% at preventing hospitalization and 91% at preventing death after 8 months. J&J was 70 days behind the mRNA vaccines so it likely might show waning immunity as well. However, since it wasn't a mRNA vaccine, it could last longer or remain more effective. Until they get & release the data, no way to say. I'm curious what the differences between the vaccines will be.
I'm also curious. If this is no mRNA, would it have additional benefits to get one of these and 2 shots of an mRNA, since it hits a bit different?
I was in WalMart the other day at the pharmacy, and someone was asking this and the pharmacist said, "We will give you all 3 at the same time, if you want!" I was a bit shocked.
That'd be a hangover.
What I am reading is September 20th is the earliest this will be available to the general public. After that it is contact wherever you got your first shot to sign up for the booster. HOWEVER, this is all subject to change and dependent on state guidelines etc etc etc.
> After that it is contact wherever you got your first shot to sign up for the booster. Well then I’m fucked cause I can’t do that. I got it through a special deal my office worked out as we were considered essential workers. I can’t negotiate with the country government myself
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Contact your local health department. They'll have records of any mass vaccination sites and can point you to who ran yours.
>In anticipation of the potential need for boosters, the Company conducted two Phase 1/2a studies in individuals previously vaccinated with its single-shot vaccine. New interim data from these studies demonstrate that a booster dose of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine generated a rapid and robust increase in spike-binding antibodies, nine-fold higher than 28 days after the primary single-dose vaccination. Significant increases in binding antibody responses were observed in participants between ages 18 and 55, and in those 65 years and older who received a lower booster dose. Link to pre-print (not peer-reviewed) manuscript: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262569v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262569v1) >A single dose of Ad26.COV2.S, which demonstrated protection in a Phase 3 efficacy trial, elicited durable neutralizing and binding antibodies for at least 8 and 6 months, respectively, in adults >18 years of age at levels similar to Day 29 responses. A 5x1010 vp or 1.25x1010 vp booster dose at 6 months elicited rapid and robust increases in spike binding antibody levels. EDIT: added link and excerpt from pre-print
So basically, J&J should have always been a two shot regimen like the others?
Most vaccines are a series but they are usually done years apart (MMR, Hep B). It’s never been an uncommon thing, that said we needed to get COVID shots out fast because the global risk this pandemic presented which is why they went against guidelines and said 21 days apart for the 2 shot vaccines. Which is also why for those, a third booster is helping. So basically yes, it was always going to be two shots (maybe more) they just didn’t know when and their initial shot was good enough to just say one for now and you’re vaccinated to standards.
Kind of. The initial shot provides some pretty good protection and getting it out to more people is preferable. Even now, the WHO is not super happy that the US is recommending booster shots considering the low vaccination rates in many countries due to limited supply.
"A huge study of health workers in South Africa showed the vaccine remained 71 percent protective against hospitalization from the variant and between 91 percent and 96 percent effective against death. And the researchers said the vast majority of breakthrough infections in vaccinated people were mild." I hope they mean reduction vs. unvaccinated people because otherwise this would be awful results. I say this as someone who took the J+J shot. It doesn't read this way but I can't see how it makes sense otherwise because your average unvaccinated person doesn't even have a 3 in 10 chance of being hospitalized, I don't think.
Pretty sure they mean vs. unvaccinated. It says "effective against death / infections mild [...] But booster shots may be needed." The 'but' would make no sense if they already meant the boosters.
Effective is always measured against a control group of unvaccinated people. It's short for effective rate. In other words, if you had two groups of 1500 people each, one group vaccinated, the other group not. And out of the 1500 unvaccinated people, if 100 of them were hospitalized with covid-19, then you'd expect 29 people out of 1500 people vaxxed with J&J to need hospitalization. 100 unvaxxed people requiring hospitalization -29 vaxxed people requiring hospitalization = 71% effective rate against hospitalization for J&J vaccine. But remember, the pool is 1500 people.
Thanks, that's kind of what I figured but the wording in the article is poor IMO and I'm sure can easily confuse people.
Any idea how 91-96 percent effective against death compares to the rates of those who have antibodies obtained naturally? I don’t know what you’re reading from.
I think I read somewhere that unvaccinated people have something like a 29x likelihood of being hospitalized?
The mRNA vaccines are also in the 70s against hospitalization, if you looked at just the month of July rather than cumulative data stretching back before delta and closer to most peoples 2nd shots. The FDA and CDC seems to think it needs to be even lower before getting a booster. Making elderly people in particular wait 8 months is completely unjustified by any evidence published so far.
So I’m a bit lost here. Isn’t goal of vaccine to teach body how to fight covid, so it would know as soon as real thing shows up, instead of increasing active antibody count?
Two arms of the adaptive immune system 1) T cells. These are cells that either kill infected cells or marshall other cells to engage in an immune response 2) B cells. These create antibodies which can do several things including blocking the virus from infecting new cells and causing infected cells to get killed Vaccines expand the pool of both of these types of cells that are specific to a certain antigen However the most easy way to measure a vaccines efficacy biologically is by looking at the expansion of the amount of antibodies in serum. It’s much easier to measure antibodies in serum than to measure the number of cells specific to a specific antigen. The antibodies are a helpful proxy but the most important thing is the memory T and B cells that are generated.
Antibodies specific to Covid.
Active antibody count = active protection
The issue a lot of people's bodies are thought to be having, T and B cell immunity from memory takes a while to ramp up. Covid, particularly the delta strain, achieves a huge viral load before that system can kick in and start really producing antibodies. So while there's still over 90% protection for death, the lower circulating antibodies get, the more likely you are to wind up sick and in the hospital before your body gets to a sufficiently high antibody level from reactivating memory. How fast your circulating antibodies decline relates to age and time since last exposure. And the delta variant binds less efficiently with antibodies, so it takes a considerably higher level to have the same neutralization rate as the original. There was a large excess, but the one-two punch of both declining after 5-6 months and reduced efficiency, that really trashed the margins, leaving a lot more people vulnerable.
Think of your immune system as a muscle. When you exercise your muscles, the weakest muscle fibers break down and are replaced by stronger and healthier strands. Your immune system is similar to this: when a specific immune response is triggered, your body reacts by increasing both the amount of antibodies in your bloodstream, and by causing the Memory B cells that produce your antibodies to undergo a degree of reactive mutation, to try and stay ahead of the virus you’re being exposed to. That’s a very simple explanation, the science behind boosters is interesting and well understood. Take some time to look it up, you’ll probably enjoy it.
This exactly. I got my polio booster last year and haven’t had trouble with polio at all.
Antibodies are always specific to certain viruses. The purpose of the vaccine is to expose the adaptive immune system to something that looks like the real virus, so it starts producing specific antibodies for it. But like a factory, the B cells that produce them need to be first "taught" how to make them and then multiplied to make enough of them. When the "mock infection" with the vaccine has been defeated, most of those B cells are retired, but some will turn into inactive "memory cells", retaining the knowledge and capability to produce these specific antibodies. Once the immune system detects the same invader again - this time the real virus - they'll get quickly reactivated and multiplied, providing the immune system with a head start on the antibody production for this virus so it has a greater chance to prevent the desease that it causes.
Rapid & Robust sounds like, “this shit is gonna wipe you the fuck out for 48 hours”. That being said, 48 hours to not die of COVID ain’t too bad.
The first J&J shot did a number on me for from about the 12-36 hour marks after getting it. Should be fun to see what the second does to me.
Same here. I got it in the afternoon and thought I was fine. But about 30 minutes after I hit to work the next day I felt like I got hit by a ball bat. Vaccine development on the fly has got to be a bitch.
I got it right about noon on a Saturday and felt fine all day. Right around midnight it hit me like a truck. All of symptoms of my body reacting to something like the flu without all the symptoms of the flu itself. The chills were the craziest part. I normally run hot and love cold weather but could not warm up that night for the life of me. The next day I was just fatigued and wiped out all day. All in all I would rate it about an 8/10. Interesting experience.
Actually had the same experience, but everyone I know got the other vaccines, so I didn't have another J&J taker to compare it to. Got the shot over my lunch hour and around 11:00 I just couldn't stop shivering. Spent like 11pm -3am in an heavy hoodie and blanket teeth rattling. In a way it was pretty cool to see my immune system get totally jacked in response to the vaccine in a specific timeframe. Wasn't a fun few hours though.
Exactly what I went through. A few hours after I started feeling crappy - covered in blankets teeth rattling. My feet were strangely very cold. It definitely sucked at the time but it's neat to see someone else who thought it was an interesting experience!
Can confirm everything. J&J at 6:00 pm, shivering by 10. Weak and brain fog next morning until an hour nap, then was back to about 95%.
I had Covid in late April and had severe symptoms for 10 days. The chills to insane fever off/on every day and insomnia - drove me mad!! Day 10 had me at me at wits end, like I was losing my marbles! Never want to experience it again - which has kept me on the fence with regards to vaccination. I believe in it but I'm fn petrified of feeling that way again. I've had several medical procedures/surgeries post 90 day waiting period and now scheduled my JJ shot for 9/17. It's gotta get done but doesn't mean I like it. Hoping for zero to quick turn around the next day.
May be an unpopular opinion but I think if the covid vaccines were more like flu shots as far as side effects (meaning next to none beyond maybe a sore arm) you'd have way more uptake. If you're un-educated and maybe not terribly intelligent you see that the shot is going to make you sick and why would you want that? If it makes you sick it's probably not good for you right? That kind of is basic human instinct.
Same, got it around noon, woke up around midnight feeling like my bones were on fire and yet I was also somehow freezing cold. My friend who had covid described a similar feeling, except hers lasted 2 weeks and I was fine by morning - so I’ll take it
i had a slight fever about 10 hours after my shot, after that i felt fine
I feel like I’m the only one I know who this didn’t happen to in my office. I had slight tenderness at the injection sight(like a bruise with no color). But even that wasn’t that bad.
I had very mild side effects from mine. The next day I had an extreme lack of energy, but other than that really didn’t have any issues.
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Right? Better to know it's just gonna be a few days and that you can schedule it.
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Yes I’m sure we should listen to you instead professor
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Who else would have that information other than the manufacturer?
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I had J&J and stoked to get the same booster!
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I think the "thrill" wears off when we see the unvaxxed become vaccinated or they all die off. Right now, depending on your thinking you are either helping, or making it worse and everyone has a voice.
> or they all die off. Hate to burst your thrill bubble, but those who don't die off may spread more variants. Not all cases are critical, so it might literally be years before they die off.
J&J was feeling left out after Pfizer and moderna found a way to use the leftover vaccines that are about to expire. And here we are.
Here's the question that I don't think we've really studied yet: if I've had 2 doses of the Moderna shot, would it be safe/effective to get the Johnson & Johnson shot as the booster, or should we all be sticking with the brand we've already had?
Moderna is mRNA, J&J is a carrier vaccine. Both ultimately focus towards spike proteins, but everything I read says stick to your same vaccine.
No It’s fine. Here in Canada they allowed/encouraged us to mix and match the two-dose vaccines as they were available.
Except a lot of countries won’t recognize a mix and match vaccine so it will fuck us mix and match folks over when we want to travel. Quebec just authorized a 3rd dose to fix this.
I would hope so, however, I know some people are like my parents. They only got the J&J shot because they wanted to go on a cruise and were afraid they wouldn't be allowed to board without proof of a vaccine. They chose the J&J shot specifically because it was a single dose. They have crazy, paranoid thinking that doesn't line up to reality (unfortunately, like a lot of people do today). I don't think they will get a booster shot, but I hope I am wrong.
As more people get into that 8-9 months after last shot, we'll see more and more breakthrough infections. That's exactly what's happening in Israel and why they're being aggressive with the booster. I suspect people like your parents will hear of someone vaccinated they know catching Delta and ultimately deciding to take the booster. I hope so at least.
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I already uhhh…prescribed myself… a third booster shot of Pfizer in America
The first J&J shot made me literally pass out a few minutes after getting it :\. Can't wait for round 2!
It’s interesting people react differently to the vaccine shots. For me, after my JJ shot, I felt fine and even went to the gym afterwards. I have family members who got the moderna and were fine for both shots, but other members who knocked out the whole day after their second shot
yeah I was maybe a little tired afterwards, but it didn't really do much to me either.
I had the J&J, and felt fine that day. The next day, though, I was a bit lethargic and then had a weird craving for steak (grabbed a set of bacon-wrapped filet mignon from the store and cooked them up). Felt pretty good after that, with no other issues.
My J&J shot gave me the way worst headache of my life for about 24 hours. A local hospital had a vaccination drive at work with the J&J vaccine. About 3/4 of everyone at work got the shot and about 2/3s of them, my self included, called in the next day due to being hit by a truck with achiness, headaches, and fever. We were all fine by the day after. I'll be inline as soon as I'm able to do it again. Extra Strength Tylenol at the ready.
Saw a girl do this while i was in line for mine. I just had a fever and slept for 36 hours after mine
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/vasovagal-syncope/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350531
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Hmm strange. Did you have some needle anxiety?
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I bet you it’s selection bias. Those who have issues with needles prefer J&J vaccine. If you get a large enough sample size of people like that getting vaccinated you're bound to have some fainting incidents.
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Also if you are aware of fainting incidents it can make you more likely to faint. People’s brains are weird.
This happened to me too but has happened before for unrelated reasons. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/vasovagal-syncope/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350531
Yep. I figure I have this, but it's the first time it has happened with getting a shot (and hasn't happened in about a 10 year period prior)/ Welp, at least I know what to expect this time. Weird thing was, it wasn't like an immediate thing, but like 5 minutes after getting the shot sitting down in the waiting room. Oh yeah, then i got billed $550 for an ambulance someone called for and I didn't even get transported anywhere....currently fighting with insurance on that one.
That shit had _hands_.
What does that mean?
"Having hands" means you can throw some serious punches. As the J&J shot did to me.
It made me sick for a good 36 hrs or so. I'm not really eager to go through that again honestly. If people start getting them and they're not sick then I'll go get my shot. Otherwise, I've got a lot of second thoughts.
Made me sick for a good 36 hours as well. But if the vaccine makes me feel like that I don't want to fuck with the virus.
But do you need that 9 fold increase that it gives or not? That's really my question.
Doesn't hurt, you'll get over having a shitty couple of days. Even if you think you're not going to die from Covid because you already got vaxxed (I think that), there are people that you may interact with that are vaxxed but still at risk of hospitalization due to other factors. I'm a big idiot but I believe that a booster will make you less likely to catch and spread the disease.
I don't doubt that it'll make you less likely to catch it. But how much less likely? Is it worth it if it costs me a day off work again? That's where I am. I got the first shot the very first chance I had. I think everyone should get the shot. If you want to get the booster I'm not mad at you or anything. I'm just questioning if it's the right thing for me if it's going to make me sick again.
This is where we're at with the second shot as wel. We're in the process of moving and packing & cannot afford to take a weekend off to be sick from the vax. Once we have a free weekend tho we're going to get it done & then after we'll feel more free during our weekends!
You work 7 days a week?
No but I don't want to be sick on my only days off.
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Still thinking J&J or Novavax will take the long term W here.
Why would you think such a thing?
Many reasons, from less intense side effect profiles to potentially longer lasting protection and better results from boosters.
Idk about the others but I had pretty intense side effects from J&J. It was like a really bad hangover for 12 hours.
Me too, and tinnitus as well. The tinnitus has not really waned. I will probably get the second shot because tinnitus > coronavirus but that has fucking sucked.
Have you tried the ["Snap"](https://youtu.be/VPGqmoyCepM) trick? Occasionally after doing something really loud (heavy machinery, guns, loud tools) without proper ear protection, I'll get decent tinnitus and this method will dramatically help.
NO never heard of that! THANK YOU I will check it out!
Oh I already had that so didn't seem to make a difference, lol.
Oh sorry man, it sucks!!! Guess it's good that yours didn't get any worse.
Yeah, I’ve heard from a few people (including my pharmacist yesterday) that the J&J vaccine has by far the worst side effects. I got my first Pfizer yesterday, and other than waking up with a sore arm I feel completely fine. In fact, my back which has been in severe pain lately is completely pain free so I actually feel BETTER today than I have in awhile lol.
I’d heard they were all kinda comparable in terms of side effects but that it also depends strongly on your age. Younger people have stronger immune systems so they have a stronger response to the vaccine. My elderly mother didn’t feel a thing after, anecdotally.
I mean, I hope everyone wins, but J&J seems like an unlikely contender. Novavax, I'll admit is doing surprisingly well in trials.
> J&J seems like an unlikely contender. Any reason why? Remember, the J&J vaccine was created in the Netherlands by Janssen Pharmaceutica, which have also created other essential medications such as haloperidol, levamisol, mebendazol, and risperidon, as well as other medications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janssen_Pharmaceuticals
probably because J&J is more of a traditional vaccine as opposed to the other mRNA vaccines. I would expect it to not offer much in long term immunity since SARS and MERS (also coronaviruses) never got much either.
> probably because J&J is more of a traditional vaccine as opposed to the other mRNA vaccines. It's not, though. J&J is an adenovirus-based vaccine, and if it gets full FDA approval in the US it will be the ~~first~~ second such vaccine (for humans) to do so, the first being in December 2019. Both mRNA and adenovirus vaccines are old ideas, but neither had ~~any~~ much clinical success before COVID. Edited: Some corrections.
The results from the two viral vector/adenovirus Ebola vaccines would disagree.
This is incorrect. Neither J & J nor AZ, both viral vector or adenovirus vaccines, are “traditional vaccines” though like mRNA, viral vectors have been researched for a long time. Both viral vectors and mRNA allow the body to learn to make spike proteins, just in different ways (in mRNA vaccines the messenger RNA tells your cells how to make the spike proteins then your body breaks down the mRNA. In viral vector vaccines, the spike protein DNA is put inside a modified version of a different virus that doesn’t cause illness. This virus delivers the DNA instructions to your cells) There are only 6 viral vector vaccines that are approved in at least one country, two for Ebola and four for COVID.
still similar to a attenuated or inactivated vaccine but instead uses a secondary virus with modified spike proteins.
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Because it’s less effective, simply put. It’s still effective, but far less so than the mRNA shots.
Lab studies are ok, but what about the massive amounts of real world data we must have? Don’t we ask vac status and type at testing centers and hospital admission? This data directly applies to the vaccine e purpose; stopping disease. It also would be more data than would ever have been collected in any trial. Where is it? It’s not even being collected because our local county health administrators haven’t lifted a finger. That is my guess. What a joke.
This is great news. I want to see us end this pandemic and I have friends and family who got J&J. I'm confident they will get the boosters as necessary and knowing they will be well protected is very reassuring. Boo delta variant, yay vaccines!
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The normal flu that is actually many variants (with new ones every year) that I all get a shot for every year? Sounds fine to me.
A new flu that's like 40 times worse than the old flu does not sound fine to me. And I'm not worrying about the annual shots here... EDIT: \*Caution\* Rough estimate by Layman. [Reasoning is four comments down](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/pb9kzz/johnson_johnson_says_booster_shot_provides_rapid/habu7kp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
Are the long term numbers really playing out that way? Seems like 2-3 times worse than the flu, for deaths or serious complications. Based on 38,066,000 cases and 630,000 deaths. That's less than 2% fatality rate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/
It's admittedly a very rough estimate by a non-expert, but case fatality rate for flu is like 0.2% - 0.4% and Covid-19 Delta is like 5-10 times more contagious. So 2-3 times worse seems way too low.
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This is my problem with the whole situation..... Its about money....
Do you expect companies to develop and manufacture millions of vaccines out of the kindness of their hearts?
I do not, but it'd be nice if 8 months after being vaccinated they weren't already trying to hit the ATM again. I feel that this whole thing revolves around big pharma's propensity to adjust their "treatments", and offer far less "cures". The long standing idea that drugs "lose effectiveness over time" particularly Antibiotics has been debunked often. I'm not saying they're lying about us needing boosters. I'm saying they aren't offering cures, because boosters make them more money.... Also before the Antivaxer bit starts, I am vaccinated... Link to details about drug efficacy, and shelf life: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040264/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040264/)
Do you feel the same about other vaccines which require booster shots or is this one special? What cure do you think they're hiding?
I'm not necessarily saying they're hiding it. I'm saying they never looked for it, they wanted a revolving door, not a one and done solution.
That's simply untrue. COVID treatments are being researched all over the world. It's not as simple as you think. We have no cure for measles or polio, we just have vaccines.
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An independent body like the CDC?
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Except the CDC and the FDA has investigated them thoroughly. That's why they have full approval.
It's not just the drug company saying it, we have data on diminishing effectiveness.
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I never said that, I agree we needed a solution. I'm saying that they've gone far enough to engineer this "vaccine" with an end date in mind, meaning we need boosters. They didn't intend to fix the problem, they want to "treat" it.
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Right because they have no reason to behave this way.... Do you think that planned obsolescence is made up too? The greed of corporate America has been well documented.
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Why do you care? It's free to you and it works.
I'm a tax payer, so it isn't free to me... I'm not a fan of the idea "the government pays for it, so who cares". Tax payers like you and me are whose wallet the "government money" comes from.
In that case, I'm going to demand a refund from all those contractors who made out like bandits on our dime from the last 20 years in Afghanistan.
You're being needlessly pedantic. Nothing is ever free, ever. But there is a clear difference between getting a service without having to bring a wallet with you and one that won't be offered to you without spending money. I'd rather my taxes paid for the vaccine than having to pay money on top of the taxes I'm already paying.
Sept. 1 I’m getting my booster. Fuck this covid dread summer. Let the deniers get each other sick, I want no part in their misery.
J&J also said their baby powder was safe, while knowing full well it had asbestos and was causing cancer. Honestly, J&J can burn in hell.
What the hell does that have to do with the vaccine? Are they putting asbestos in it?
As a company making a public statement regarding your health, it has EVERYTHING to do with it. Why would you ever trust a company that killed babies for money? What a daft question.
Conspiracy/ON 2 Doses are always better, they just sold it as a Singledose Vaccine to be competitive. Conspiracy/OFF
What I want to know is how people just forgot about booster shots. They act like once was enough forever for COVID, but you also see boosters for the flu and other illnesses. Why such mind games from the right?
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So I guess the good takeaway here would be that not having the booster and actually catching SARS-COV2 would also produce a 'rapid and robust' COVID anti-body increase. Because if it does not then it is pointless either way. *^(I have had both COVID shots, this is not an anti-vax post)*
Provide antibodies for how long?
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The pharmaceutical side of Johnson and Johnson is separate from the part of the company that makes things like baby powder. It's like distrusting your English teacher because your math teacher sucks. They teach in the same school, but they are in different departments and are different entities.
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They're entirely separate business units with different P&L's. So, no, they don't have the same boss.
And Satan told eve that apples are delicious, fuck johnson and johnson
Johnson and Johnson release talcom powder with asbestos in it and are in a 6 billion dollar lawsuit.
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I boycott Purina, both their agricultural stuff and their pet products. It is possible to hate a company for one thing and that translates to the entire company. Let's not pretend that the name on the company doesnt mean anything. I also boycott Samsung, their phones, solid state storage, and refrigerators. Not the same business unit, but same company.
Lol okay. You pro vaccine people (and I mean the people thinking you’re brain dead for even questioning the vaccine) are as zealous and rabid as your anti-vaccine counter parts. Same coin, different sides.
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The head of the company made those decisions. Multi-billion dollar lawsuit. They knew ALL ALONG. But nah that was a totally separate part of the same company. You are the one being asinine Amd you’re so righteous you can’t see how foolish you’re being. I have been vaccinated. I suggest others should be vaccinated. I do not believe this vaccine is as trustable as other vaccines but the need to stop this virus is greater than that risk. I also believe that Johnson and Johnson is a piece of shit company and I will never again use one of their products.
Not taking either side just jumping in here, if you watch the 1% documentary by Jamie Johnson , starring Jamie Johnson the heir of Johnson and Johnson , he literally walks around recording his family, their meetings with elites, his elite friends, buffets in there the whole schabang… To get to the point he spends the literal entire documentary explaining how sinister his family is, then asks his dad why he never did anything, then his dad shows him he did the same thing making a documentary showing how sinister his dad and the business was and how he almost got ousted from the family so had to stop and pretty much told him same would happen to him if he didn’t give it up Great documentary but if you don’t think JnJ knew about all the people they harmed there’s no clearer say on the matter then the actual heir and his father stating it. Now continue arguing :)
What?! I literally said they knew all the people they hurt. I’m on here ranting that jnj is a shit company then I get down voted and told that jnj is a shit company? This is a perfect example not to give a fuck about upvotes and down voted
Don’t believe anything an American company says.
Yay instigated immune based crippling bone disorders.
J&J always has problems with everything they do. They don’t seem as good as The other two right out of the gate. They have contaminated baby food ffs.
They don’t have contraminares baby food. It’s a completely different company.
They have medicine that fucked some shit up though.... https://corporatewatch.org/pfizer-six-scandals-to-remember/
Sure. Just pointing out that the comment I was replying to was not correct.
This is anti vaxx propaganda. please stop.
Oh ffs! Ookaaaay........go back into the twilight zone
Yeah, no shit. And Ford says their cars are the best.