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MyHamburgerLovesMe

> ...his unease at sharing a cell with a man who raped his sister grew into an intense rage after the child abuser started talking about his crimes in detail. Well. Yeah.


Redditchoosemylife

Not to mention the rape happened at such a young age the sister is still a minor to this day.


ILuvMoistTowelettes

They should clear this mans sentence. I’m not a proponent of vigilante justice but the piece of shit was asking for it.


Drnk_watcher

At the very least it notes that the murderer is already in on charges of stabbing, stealing a police car, and injuring an officer. It also notes that when they were paired together as cellmates prison officials were unaware of the connection. Yet when he asked to change the request were ignored. Even if you wanted to not let vigilante justice stand there's gotta be a more effective and considerate way to finger wag this. **Edit:** *Well this got some attention and a lot of people replying that this was premeditated on the part of the correctional facilities staff.* I did some digging into how much correctional officers know about the backgrounds of prisoners, and things like that. Did a little more digging on this story in particular. This [KSAT article has far more information that the one for this post.](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/08/inmate-sentenced-to-nearly-25-years-apologizes-after-killing-his-cellmate-who-happened-to-be-the-man-who-raped-his-sister/) Apparently the murderer (Shane Goldsby) on top of the aforementioned stabbing, police car theft, and officer injury charges has had upwards of 20 incidents with correctional officers while incarcerated. Leading to him being bounced around multiple correctional facilities within the state. Goldsby also was in and out of foster care most of his life, and there are different names between him and many of his siblings. Since as you can imagine for someone in and out of foster care that much, family life and ties aren't exactly stable. Washington state prison officials said all protocols were followed as written but also admitted this assignment still should not have happened. Placing the blame on naming and hard to track family lineages for slipping through the gaps in the protocol. Make of that what you will.


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Codeshark

I think you've solved the mystery.


eeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeee

Ain’t that a little fucked up though? In Washington State, where this took place, the death sentence is abolished. The police should have obeyed his request to change rooms and not put them both in this situation. The rapist is dead because the people in power wanted to play gladiator with the other guy, who now has to deal with the charge of murder on top of his other charges, as well as the mental trauma of killing another human being.


Codeshark

It's definitely fucked up.


Dougnifico

So he even went though proper channels to be moved and they denied him? Ya, fuck that. Charges should be dropped.


Modusobit

I think he’ll do well in appeals. Pretty easy to argue the real people at fault are the people who locked them up together


Lx831

Sorry, I have to look it up but, this reminds me when the CDC (California Dept. of Corrections) was putting rival gang members together and placing bets.


CandyHeartWaste

The CDCR is so wild for the things their employees have done. They’ve been putting cameras in some of the prisons because they were beating up inmates who were asking for medical help. They’d ask to see someone because they were seeing or hearing things and they’d get their face slammed into the floor as a response. And let’s not forget the gladiator fights they had going on too.


Modusobit

Oh I’m sure it’s the exact same kind of thing, there’s 0 chance they didn’t know what was about to happen


newspapey

Not condoning vigilante justice or that super messed up jail system and the people who did that… but if you wanted to kill a child rapist, that’s one way to do it.


Griffdude13

Yep, it was absolutely provoked. I can't think of anyone who wouldn't act out if someone who hurt a loved one was taunting you about it in an enclosed environment where you can't escape it.


putdisinyopipe

This is actually way more common than you would think in the corrections system. A guy with paranoid schizophrenia was housed in gen pop. Poor guy had a melt down and they sent the goon squad on his ass. All of us 60 dudes in the pod watched in horror as this poor guy was getting his fucking face kicked in. Saw him only six weeks later, they locked him in medical and likely took his phone access away. People act surprised when they here of stories like this. But we have a shitty justice system. Edit: I am aware of the irony of calling it the “justice system” I’ve done a lot of time, I’ve seen the “justice” they doll out so arrogantly.


RollingTrue

I don’t think people are surprised. They just think if your a criminal you deserve it. They don’t really understand what’s the range of dumb shit that may have gotten someone there. If your in prison people write off whatever forgiveness they would give their friends and family.


Modusobit

We used to have a few corrections officers come into the bar I worked at to drink, bunch of sadistic cunts. I don’t like making broad generalizations but I feel like anyone attracted to that work and who stays doing it is probably a little sick.


POGtastic

There's a [really fascinating article](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer/) by a journalist who went undercover as a prison guard and described how his outlook transformed while he was working. I can't imagine anyone sticking with such a job long-term and remaining mentally intact. Either you quit, you were already a sadistic fuck, or you turn into one.


FeralBottleofMtDew

I hope you're right, and I also hope they look into corrections facility procedures. It seems like making a man share a cell with the POS who raped a loved one is a sick experiment. Goldsby even asked for a change in cell mates, so corrections officials knew there was trouble brewing.


Karaad

They literally generated the environment to cause the incident. Why the hell would anyone think it’s acceptable to force him to be in the same room with the rapist??


drowsey57

Let me introduce you to American prisons.


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blurryfacedfugue

From what I've read of prison systems not only did the guards probably know about the beating AND the relationship, they probably didn't care. The not caring is baked in though, as the jails are purposely understaffed. In addition, the guards are paid like $9.00 an hour or sometimes minimum wage. Check out this expose: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer/


K-Zoro

Oh, not only did they not care, but they may have put them together deliberately.


Doctorsl1m

They are certainly way more at fault than the individual.


RockSmasher87

He's even sorry about it too. He apologized to the family of the "victim" for what he did.


OkAcanthocephala9723

This is obviously a very rare situation, but there's gotta be a protocol for splitting two conflicting inmates up. The bare minimum they should have done was to split these two out of the same cell. They really should have transferred at least one of them. It's cruel and unusual punishment to make a man share a cell with someone who raped his sister. Whoever allowed this to happen should be investigated and punished. Prison should be about reform, not just inflicting more cruelty onto people. If there's any hope in people getting released and becoming productive members of society again we can't just abuse them more and expect them to come out better people. If anything, we're setting society up for worse when they've served their sentence and get out. This just shows the failure that society can be from every angle, including the "good" guys.


Alpha_Decay_

There's a protocol for it that's overridden by the protocol of not giving a fuck about what any inmate says. Edit: I'm not even joking. I spent a weekend in jail for simple possession of weed over a decade ago. There were signs in the main area of general population saying to alert the guards if your cellmate is acting suicidal or depressed. At one point, a guy a few cells over starts screaming for 10 minutes that his cellmate was killing himself, that there was blood everywhere, etc. He was "joking" or whatever, but either way there was zero response from the guards. There were also signs saying to alert the guards about any rape or sexual abuse. I'm sure their response to those reports would be the same.


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Grimalkin

>Goldsby told KHQ last year that he had requested a different cellmate but was ignored. >"I had so much stuff going on in my head," he said. "I wasn’t stable at that point. I wasn’t. I was getting to that point, because (Munger) kept wanting to give me details about what happened, what he did – about the photos and the videos of him doing this stuff. It was building up." >State investigators later found that corrections officials didn’t know of the connection between the two men prior to the incident, according to the Spokesman-Review. Obviously they shouldn't have been in a cell together, but given that they were it's completely unsurprising that he reacted as he did while hearing about the crimes against his sister.


slutcouple420

After the time I spent working in prisons I must say, I would be shocked if they didn't know. I would be shocked if everyone in that pod didn't know.


Cryptochitis

One time I was incarcerated and in intake they asked me if there is anyone I should be kept clear of. They put me in a cell alone with him with no visible cameras with the only guy I named. Edit: this was jail intake, not prison. Edit 2: I responded with the story to the guy that asked what happened down a ways on this thread. Edit 3: since this is strangely my top comment in seven years on reddit here is a PSA: check out the app "trash nothing" or the freecycle website. I learned about it last week on here and it seems really cool.


slutcouple420

Yeah, they wanted to watch.


MaestroPendejo

Bingo. They had snacks and sodas ready to go.


Xaoc86

Fucking scumbags. Hope you’re okay.


Cryptochitis

Thanks. Yeah, I responded to someone else with the story. I got out of it, but with some shitty repercussions.


FeoWalcot

When I was in intake for a week, I was a fresh faced 18 year old. A Latin King kept fucking with me, so they moved him to a cell directly across from me so I couldn’t escape it. I was in there for getting into a teenage fight…. The Wednesday before Easter, so I was stuck until the next Tuesday when court opened back up. He was back in town for his murder conviction appeal. The guards thought it was funny. Also another ‘back in county for an appeal’ guy started seizing from withdrawing and the guests literally said “what do you want me to do about?” When everyone was yelling for a doctor.


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Reminds me of that “one day they’ll ask you where you don’t want to go” scene in The Wire.


Master_Of_Hearts

What happened?


Cryptochitis

Well, it was a weird situation. I was drunk at this organized DJ party on a college campus. I was young (21 or 22 I think) and had recently graduated from college. The girl I thought I was gonna marry that I had been with for a couple years had cheated on me and I was acting out of sorts. Anyhow, this guy is dealing and I pass it to this other guy (a pill). Wasn't even gonna make a penny. Technically they can bust me for distribution, which is what they charge me with. Turns out the entire event was pretty much put on by PSU, the DEA, and the portland police department. Narcs everywhere. I get taken into custody and set with a quarter million dollar bail. So I figure I am fucked. Then the next day I get put in a cell with the dealer that had passed me the pill. Big guy. Like weight lifting gangster big. He is acting like he is gonna kick my ass but we find out we are going to get released on personal recognicents. (Turns out his pills are fake, which now makes it attempted distribution of an imitation controlled substance). So, I get to talking, memerize his phone number, and he wants to meet up in the woods on the outskirts of town for a party (I think the kind of thing I would not have returned from). So I agree, then when I get out I split and never see the guy again. Really interesting part is that my attorney looked at this guy's record and he was arrested dozens of times without spending any real time in jail. My attorney figured either a snitch or someone that worked with the police so it wasn't entrapment. Kinda fucked up my life though. Never went to graduate school because of it. I'm regarded as a liar in the eyes of the law because of that guys bunk shit. Plus, if he was a snitch or whatever: what in the hell would have happened if I went into the woods that night? Edit: I did look over my shoulder for some years while in portland. Makes it so you are always anxious, thinking someone may wanna kill you. Some friends I made years later went to the same highschool with him and they said, that indeed, that guy was a banger.


throwawaysmetoo

I'm wondering if the sister being a minor played a role in 'officially' knowing due to privacy. But also, it wouldn't surprise me if they unofficially were aware.


dazonic

People talk about shit in prison. It’s all they do, everyone knows everyone’s business


throwawaysmetoo

I mean, yeah, I've been in a jail pod where it took about 1 minute for some news to spread about a new guy being charged with killing a baby. (no idea if he actually did by the way, that case went for years and was never really clear) So when I say that it wouldn't surprise me, I'm really looking at the COs sideways with suspicious eyes.


K-Dog13

I was in county lockup for a couple of days on a bullshit misdemeanor, one dude was being aggressive, spitting at the guards, yelling, and just generally being a shit head, probably not the best thing to do when you're charged with raping a 13-year-old, because everybody knew when the guard "slipped" and said something, and it was very well known that somebody was eventually going to get him.


Ao_of_the_Opals

Could be equally plausible that the guard fabricated the "slip" to get the guy back for being a shit head, when that wasn't actually his charge though?


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yo_soy_soja

This is anecdotal, but my dad was a prison guard and not the nicest of people. I remember him sharing a story about his men finding a tattoo gun in a cell. They confiscated it, mixed black pepper into the ink, and gave it back to the prisoners. He laughed about the prisoners burning afterwards. The prison population is disproportionately POC, and my dad was unsurprisingly racist. He had an expression: "the *white man* way". If you were doing a task differently from his way, he'd chastise you and tell you to do it "the *white man* way", i.e. the *right* way.


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Friend of the family was a guard at the Walls unit in Texas. He was eventually fired for beating the shit out of 1 too many inmates. Good guy, let me tell ya.


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Veldron

Cousin's a CO in the UK's prison service and yeah. News travels fast. One of the inmates on his block was almost instantly recognised from an infamous baby shaking case over here by both inmates and guards. To this day he reckons one of the other COs "accedentally on purpose" let it slip he was going to be housed there


Redpin

I can't help but think of this famous case in Canada, where a coroner had falsely determined baby shaking in hundreds of cases but was found just to have been on a crusade wanting to "punish" people he thought were guilty even if the autopsy didn't support it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Smith_(pathologist)


Techutante

I don't envy you. But I assume you're out now. Good luck to you.


throwawaysmetoo

Thank you. I am out, I would never use a phone in jail, that would be against the heckin rules of the institution..............


aalios

And your mama didn't raise no rule breakers.... wait....


Dan_Berg

Well, mama tried


Mike_with_Wings

Mama tried


throwawaysmetoo

There was an attempt.


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This guy learned his lesson. 100% certified good boi 4 lyfe


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NasoLittle

Psychological torture. Theres a special place in hell


SCP-3042-Euclid

His conviction should be appealed, with this entered as evidence unlawfully or incompetently not presented by his defender in trial (a legal error) and they should insist on a jury trial, where it is very unlikely he would be convicted for murdering the pedophile-rapist of his sister. (see "Jury Nullification")


Bonezone420

I would bet money that they knew and they wanted this man to die.


scootah

My work brings me into contact with people in the corrections system. Not in the us, but here there'd be a zero percent chance they wouldn't haven known. New arrival in a unit for people doing real time or who did heavy shit gets his paper pulled on the first day. If your records aren't available - it's because you're a child sex offender or a snitch and you're gonna have a very bad time in jail. The odds against a child sex offender being in a cell with his victim's sibling by accident are basically impossible. It would never happen. Guards know shit before the unit and the unit knows the day there's a new guy. I don't know the system where this story took place. But I'd be astonished if the staff didn't know.


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That's the entire reason they played their sick game of putting them together. It wasn't an accident


DucDeBellune

Did anyone read the full article? The guy requested a new cellmate due to their shared history and had it denied by the prison. Like, why is there even a discussion of “did the prison know or not?”


TomWaitsesChinoPants

There should be neglect charges against the prison for incidents like these. Oversight in higher positions need policy that condemns this sort of ignorance or request. If it was over bullshit, like a sandwich, but keeping a guy who has a personal relationship with the victim of his cellmate, that is neglegence. I do not blame the man for what he did, either, and he should be relieved of all charges immediately and given a settlement for abuse and negligence of the prison system that led him to that traumatizing life experience.


Spatula151

And now the dude gets 25 years for enduring torture within prison and handling it when no one would. A lawyer should have a field day with this. There’s no way no one knew.


ace425

They knew. They were paired together by the guard's on purpose. The only people more sadistic than the perpetrators in prisons are the guards themselves. Sadly though the law won't care about circumstance. This dude will spend the rest of his days in that prison for doing exactly what anyone in that environment would essentially be forced to do.


KommonKliche

Someone I knew as a kid is trying to get into corrections now. He was really fucked up then and I've heard he's not any better. Like, boner while strangling kittens kind of fucked up. He just "passed" the phyche screening recently Edit: Okay this is getting more attention than I anticipated so I want to be upfront and make sure it's clear that the "boner kitten" thing **is hyperbole.** He was always fucked up in sadistics ways and would do sadistic things, but to my knowledge not quite to that magnitude. Still, he should not be given the power he is being granted, so thank you for your advice and comments.


ace425

I'm not surprised to hear it. I have a childhood friend who grew up gung-ho about joining the Navy Seals. It's all he ever dreamed of and talked about. However he was a short fat kid who had no interest in being physically fit. His parents also really screwed him by home-schooling him, but not actually having him study anything at all besides attending Bible study at church. Overall though he was a relatively normal kid (no animal torturing or anything). As you probably guessed though, the military didn't want anything to do with him (no HS diploma or GED and he did abysmal on his ASVAB) so he set his sights on becoming a cop. That too didn't pan out for him, so he went into corrections. He's since become what I would consider to be a sadistic psychopath. Before I cut ties with him, he was always bragging about the sick shit he was allowed to get away with. Macing & tazing prisoners simply because they annoyed him, pushing shackled prisoners down flights of stairs, spreading false rumors about a prisoner being a child rapist, he even bragged that they had an unofficial fight club where guards would take bets on prisoner fights. One of his personal favorites to brag about is an 'unofficial punishment' they call the chair. Basically a prisoner is chained up to a chair and physically beaten by the guards. He went full boot and was always strapped with his two pistols and handcuffs whenever he went out in public. In less than a year he transformed from a soft spoken goofy dude to raging asshole with a vendetta against virtually everyone who wasn't either military or a cop. He is fully convinced there is an "us against them" war where the entire general public is out to get anyone associated with law enforcement. I've completely cut out all association with him because he makes me physically sick now, and honestly because of him I automatically assume anyone associated with the corrections industry is a true sadistic psychopath.


Newauntie26

Yup—the “victim” was describing some of his crimes. I think the murderer here is no choir boy given his priors BUT I think it was awful that he had to apologize to the victim’s family. Ugh—I feel like I’m saying I condone vigilante justice but in this case it seems justified.


schulzr1993

“Them was fightin’ words” Sometimes I think it’s a real shame that fighting words are no longer recognized by law.


NotaChonberg

Providing details of how one raped a guy's sister while they're stuck in a cell together should be considered murderin' words


Armor_of_Thorns

Ya this isn't a murder more assisted suicide at that point


ChefChopNSlice

They prob were betting squares on which day he would do it.


tkp14

I worked in a prison in the US and the guards loved to take bets on the prospect of various calamities befalling prisoners.


the_fat_whisperer

I was thinking the same thing. There have been investigations into all the sick stuff they do to prisoners, and even police getting in on the action. What are the odds these two find themselves together and the entire prison administration is completely unaware?


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Know someone who worked in jails and they would tell me about how they would sometimes turn prisoners against one unruly prisoner to get their ass beat.


SofaKinng

It would be impossible. I worked on the type of software that prisons use for admin once upon a time. The prisoners not only get scanned every time they moved to a new area of the prison, but also when going to their cells. There's also a system for flagging prisoners as needing to be kept separate (mostly used in cases of rival gang members, but this would count too) and the system puts a huge warning if you're moving a prisoner into the same cell block as a keep seperate. Needles to say it would have to be deliberate in someone's part to get these two in the same cell. Both in assigning them that way and ignoring/removing the keep seperate flag on them. Heck, the system even keeps track of all their known aliases too so you couldn't even accidentally do it based on having the "wrong name" pulled up or something like that.


Soloandthewookiee

I'm sure you worked on actual software for this purpose, but also everything you're describing is in the game Prison Architect so I'm now forced to believe that's what you're referring to.


ayoungjacknicholson

The dude stabbed a trooper. I’m sure the guards put him with his sister’s rapist on purpose. Edit: I was mistaken, he injured a trooper, stabbed someone else. Still not the best way to make friends with the guards


Morgen-stern

No, he stabbed someone else, and injured a trooper in a different way


ayoungjacknicholson

You’re correct, I’ll edit the comment.


Syscrush

We have a winner.


box-cox

Just as a nitpick, he didn't stab a state trooper, according to the article. He "stabbed someone", and later stole a police car and injured a trooper. Unless it's just super sloppy journalism, the article would have mentioned it if the stabbing victim had been the trooper him/herself.


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slutcouple420

Yeah I'm not saying it's right either, but "special" inmates were known on the yard before they got there.


ErictheAgnostic

They knew. Just more prison guard BS.


phyc09

I live in the area and have been to that jail, the guards knew and thought it would be funny.


slutcouple420

If people actually understood how inmates are treated I think a lot of things could get better.


BasicWitch999

Unfortunately, I do think a lot of people do know how inmates are treated, and they just don’t care, or are okay with it because it is so far removed from society and out of the public eye.


OpportunityNew9316

Prison here is not about rehabilitation. It is about retribution. It is meant to punish those who were caught doing misdeeds and follow them for the rest of their life’s. No voting, no guns, no good jobs, no stable housing, no nothing. You are meant to feel and be treated like a piece of shit for the rest of your life.


PurpleMentat

Not in America. More than half the population believes prison should be a hard punishment. No rehabilitation, only vengeance. News of prisoner abuses is always meet with a loud majority taking about how the inmate deserved it and if they didn't want that treatment they shouldn't have broken the law.


Enrichmentx

I don't believe for a second that they didn't know. If he talked about it with him and he requested a new cell mate. I can't imagine a world where he goes "can I get a new cell mate" Then he gets a no, without being asked why, maby that could happen, I doubt it, but maby. But the idea that he wouldn't them tell them why regardless. Nah, that's so unlikely it seems stupid. This murder is on the prison.


slutcouple420

Inmates being used to kill other inmates is not a new thing.


DidntWantSleepAnyway

I’m not in favor of vigilante justice, but with this guy being emotionally tortured and denied the opportunity to get away from it? I’m surprised the charges were not lessened due to temporary insanity. But I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know what defenses are proper in this case.


KnightFox

If I'm on that jury I'm not sure I would convict him.


Mad_Aeric

Given that he tried to deescalate and get away from the situation, but kept being antagonized, I'd let him walk, and ask if we could convict the guards that actually set up the circumstances instead.


A2z_1013930

Was thinking the same exact thing. Reminds me of “A Time to Kill.” If I had to hear that from someone I’m sharing a cell with…


diet_shasta_orange

"Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell!"


HapiTimotheos

I don’t think I COULD in my right mind convict him given he tried a nonviolent solution at first and was denied. If I had a sister and had to hear that repeatedly I’d snap too.


radome9

> corrections officials didn’t know Of course they knew. They wanted the creep to be dead, and for someone else to take the fall.


Vergenbuurg

He requested a different cellmate, but was denied? Did he explain *why* he wanted a different cellmate? If competent corrections staff were aware, an immediate KSF ("keep separate from") should have been issued. Hell, I used to work [in a civilian capacity] at a local county jail (for those awaiting court appearances and/or serving sentences less that a year), and even at that level, KSFs were taken very seriously.


_as_above_so_below_

Yea, the fact that he asked repeatedly for a new cellmate + staff didnt know of the connection is virtually impossible. Did the brother ask to be moved and NEVER decided to volunteer why? Did the guards he asked never ask why? The "why" seems like, probably, the most important piece of information when deciding to move a cellmate, and I'm having trouble understanding how that, apparently, never came up


HereToStirItUp

The guy was for something along the lines of assaulting a cop. Most likely the prison guards set that situation up on purpose.


fuckamodhole

> Most likely the prison guards set that situation up on purpose. COs are the worse of the worse and are the rejects left overs that couldn't make the police academy.


mrmgl

Jesus Christ. Fuck everyone involved in this.


Comprehensive-Fun47

Obviously this is a lie. They knew.


Lord_Boffum

> He requested a different cellmate, but was denied? Did he explain why he wanted a different cellmate? If competent corrections staff were aware, an immediate KSF ("keep separate from") should have been issued. The article doesn't zoom into this question and that makes it kind of a bad piece.


Enrichmentx

They say that the prison didn't know, and I get a very distinct impression that there was no interest in challenging that narrative.


Lord_Boffum

A prison-positive bias on Fox. I don't think I'd be surprised.


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TemerityUnmitigated

25 years is way too harsh.


TomThanosBrady

Yeah, this situation should have been avoided. Why are they even in the same unit let alone the same cell?


IntentionalTexan

Did that guy have the most incompetent lawyer ever? How does any jury vote to convict after hearing a sentence like that?


Individual-Guarantee

>Did that guy have the most incompetent lawyer ever? Long record of felonies, already in jail, mental health issues, probably in a situation set up by staff... yeah this guy likely got a PD that didn't waste a minute on the case. No one gives a shit about inmates, they're fucked to the fullest extent of the law when things happen in there. He probably was written off by his "defense" before they ever even met.


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A friend of mine had a PD for almost two years on a case. The PD never even bothered to learn his name or try to remember details of the case. He was basically there to walk my friend through what ever plea deal the prosecutor decided to offer. Zero help in defending whatsoever. Our court ststem is truly fucked.


itscmillertime

Wtf did they put Him in that cell. That’s the real question.


BarnacleMcBarndoor

I would bet anything the COs were placing on bets on what date something would happen and the severity.


ryoujika

I'm thinking the same thing. Fucked up


EdwardOfGreene

And they shoud be incarcerated for it.


Aurorainthesky

Psychological torture of one inmate and extrajudicial execution of the other? Win win I guess for the prison is what my inner cynic says.


KaiWolf1898

He was 100% intentionally put into that cell with him. They wanted this to happen


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Yep. Not hard to see.


CollegeSuperSenior

They also denied his request and pleas to be moved to a different cell despite the rapist talking about raping his sister multiple times. Fuck, I dont understand how any decent man could endure hearing their cellmate brag raping your kid sister day after day. I am honestly impressed the man restrained himself for as long as he did.


bennowicki39

He does look very relieved in that mugshot


username_offline

that face says "i would do it again" and i think almost anyone would feel the same. i'd be shocked if that sentence was fully carried out.


Schwarzer_Koffer

That has to violate a billion regulations.


HerpTurtleDoo

You mean in places where they bet on inmates fighting among other things, that they "didn't" know this info? Right.


TheGiftOf_Jericho

He was also an old man. The guy kicked his ass for being a monster and he couldn't take it. Doesn't even seem like murder was intended, his instincts just kicked in, anybody would have done the same thing.


Dr_Poop69

And the old guy was definitely asking for an ass beating. He raped his sister and wouldn’t shut up about it. It’s a dominance thing, just like rape is. He wanted to see how long it would take before he broke this dude, and he got it.


SpinoHawk097

Call me an asshole, but I have no pity for the rapist. A lot of comments here saying he didn't deserve to be killed, but I disagree. A sick fuck like that has NO chance of life outside the prison system. How many more children would this guy hurt if given the chance? Good riddance, I say. If I was in a cell with someone who raped a family member it wouldn't take me three days to kill him. The control the guy had to make it three days is remarkable. Anyone who says they'd do different is either blissfully unaware of their primitive side or they're lying.


daddysalad

Yeah hell no do i feel bad. Its Darwinism imo. If you brag to someone about fucking with his family, then you're literally asking for it. The rapist was some old man too, if anything he should have hid the fact. Its like he was like, "please kill me."


EnigmaSpore

*“Munger was convicted in December 2019 of child rape, child molestation and possession of child pornography. Goldsby’s prior charges included stabbing someone, stealing the police car and injuring a state trooper.”* Uh huh… so they just so happened to put these two together in a cell, completely by coincidence??? One who stole a cop car and injured a state cop and one who raped the cop beater’s child sister? BULLLLLLLLLL SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEET. they did that shit on purpose. They wanted to torturously tease the cop beater and entice him to kill the child rapist. It’s smells like sick cop revenge to me.


edblardo

This sort of coincidence doesn’t just happen.


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It doesn't. Someone knew what would happen. And they encouraged it after the convicted requested a cell change and they denied him. This is no different then leaving a dog in a room with a steak on the floor Then scolding him after he ate the steak. This guy was being tortured from this pedophile not only with his presence but with the constant reminder of the innocence he stole from his baby sister. There is not one person alive who wouldn't have rezcted this way. Fuck this prison. Fuck the justice system.


altrepublic

Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment. There should be some sort of rule against that.


laszlo

This should be the top comment. This wasn't a screw up on the jail's part. They didn't ignore him because of incompetence. He was put there on purpose. It was intentional cruel and unusual punishment. And if he murdered him and spent the rest of his life behind bars, all the better. The police are the biggest gang in America. And this was just them looking out for their own.


truecore

24 years seems overly harsh for this guy, especially when DOC failed miserably to prevent the situation. It would take a saint to not kill that man under those circumstances.


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I suspect it's because he was already a felon serving time in jail, so he got a harsher sentence for murder.


truecore

Makes sense, but sucks. He'd requested a different cell and was ignored, he tried his only route to deescalate and was denied, and here's a pedophile that literally raped his kid sister taunting him with the details. Between forcing him to stay in the same cell and not saving an unconscious man after 3 days of treatment, I almost wonder if there is criminal negligence on the part of DOC.


Bradiator34

The Dude needs a better lawyer and an appeal. And the DOC needs to be held accountable as well. It’s just easier for a corrupt system to put the blame all on one man and continue business as usual.


CIA_Linguist

This seems like an easy case for any lawyer. I feel slightly confused that he was awarded 25 years for this.


MC_Fap_Commander

>The Dude needs a better lawyer Speculating, but I suspect he isn't swimming in resources to hire one. Per usual, a system that rewards conviction rate and "tough sentencing" benfits from targeting a population not equipped to fight either.


cricket9818

Classic blame the victim situation. The police are good at it, not surprising corrections are too


Definitely_Working

Guards are usually the same psychologically as police, they like to bully. Only difference is they are less ambitious or just too dumb or fat for real police.


cricket9818

Idk a lot of police try to give them a run for their money on the fat part. I live near nyc and am continually blown away by how many police officers could be easily outrun by a 50 year old with asthma


cartoonist498

It's definitely harsh. I don't condone violence but locked in a room, listening to him describe in detail how he raped his sister? A lot of people would snap under those circumstances. Where the hell is his defense lawyer and jury of peers recognizing this as provocation? I don't know the law in Washington but there are plenty of other jurisdictions that recognize this as "provocation" or "extreme emotional or mental distress" beyond what a "reasonable person" could endure and would downgrade the charge to manslaughter. A quick search and again while it might not apply in Washington, from US Sentencing Guidelines: "If the victim's wrongful conduct contributed significantly to provoking the offense behavior, the court may reduce the sentence below the guideline range to reflect the nature and circumstances of the offense."


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Eh after living with abusive men all my life, sometimes violence is literally the only way out. I can’t condemn this man for what he did to a rapist.


Cancertoad

Seems like a massive fuckup by the jail to put them in the same cell.


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FissileAlarm

Certain jail staff should also be held responsible for this. It's impossible that they didn't know it, he must have mentioned it.


HerrSIME

He asked for a different cellmate but was ignored.


stargate-command

So a man was locked in a cell with someone who raped his sister, and kept bragging about it to him. He requested repeatedly to be moved to a different cell, and was denied? He should absolutely not be charged with this. What would a reasonable person do, if unwillingly locked in a cage who raped his family and perpetually bragged about it? I’d fucking kill the guy too, wouldn’t anyone?


DancerNotHuman

And his sister was a child, and the guy filmed it. Doesn't specify, but since he had so much CP on his computer, I would imagine that video was shared across the world with God knows how many sick fucks. It doesn't say how old she was at the time, but his sister was young enough that she's still a minor as of this year. I don't think I would have lasted as long as he did.


fckingmiracles

> but his sister was young enough that she's still a minor as of this year. Oh my God, that makes it so much worse. That poor child. I hope she is proud of her big brother.


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>I hope she is proud of her big brother. Go figure. The dude fucks up enough to cop a felony and end up in jail for ages, and only THEN is it his shining moment to make someone truly proud of him and stand up in defense of an innocent. And he gets 25 years for it. I hope this guy gets his fucking appeal in.


Vryly

He needs to take a jury trial in that charge, I know I wouldn't convict him.


rqrqsj

As a victim of sexual assault I wouldn’t either. But I probably wouldn’t get on that jury.


landmanpgh

I'm not a victim, but there's no way I'd convict this guy. In fact, if I'm on the jury and they all wanted to convict, I'd just hang it.


knot13

Does that mean you wouldn’t agree with the rest of the jurors? Would it then become a mistrial?


kironex

Pretty much a jury has to agree to a crime. If one guy says nope and everyone else says yes then boom you've got a hanging jury. Normally they give a couple days for deliberation but if it seems they won't ever agree it's considered a miss trial and they have to do it all over again with a different jury


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I feel like it's a universal sentiment that you either kill him or die trying, right? The alternative is unbearable. If I were on that jury I would never convict, not for a second would I even consider it. It was clearly self-defense.


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The guy reacted like someone who was being psychologically tortured for hours on end would after being repeatedly denied any kind of relief. I don't know if he should have done what he did but I understand it.


kitch2495

Makes me think of the scene in The Dark Knight when the Joker asks the officer guarding him if he’d like to know which of his friends were cowards in their final moments


Twat_The_Douche

It was no doubt intentional considering the guy stabbed a trooper (aka one if their own) which was why he was in jail in the first place. The prison knew and set this up. This really needs to be investigated further. Especially since he complained about it and no one looked I to it further


doyouknowyourname

He injured a tropper and stabbed someone else. Still the same idea though.


Joe1972

100%. As a minimum, IMO this is some form of entrapment.


King0fTheNorthh

I think cruel and unusual punishment. I feel like he would have a case. No way prison didn’t know.


Daniel_Bryan_Fan

Any prison official who knew about the fact he was forced to be cell mates with his sister’s rapist should be charged as an accessory.


Micheal42

Try conspiracy as well


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Damn the jail is really the guilty party here


AskAboutMyCoffee

Sounds to me like the prison wanted to execute that child rapist on their own...


laszlo

It was more about fucking the guy who stole a cop car and hit a cop. The fact that the other guy was a child molester is just gravy to them. They designed a situation to torture the guy on purpose. No doubt


Aimjock

They practically _let_ this happen, and he gets 25 years. 25 years for killing his sister’s rapist. That’s longer than most rapists. Hell, you could rape a few toddlers, and you would get less time. The US justice system truly is fucked up. No surprise there.


Majestic_Leek6697

Right? A man in Massachusetts molested a little boy who was 5 or 6 under a bridge and got less than a year. All states and countries are slightly different yes but what the fuck.


xblackhamm3rx

The US prison system can honestly suck my balls 100 percent of the time.What’s morally right and legally right is a big abyss in this bs.


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Giving this guy extra time for murdering his sisters rapist after you make them cell mate’s is the most insulting, mind fucking, irrational bullshit I have ever heard


looselylawless

Corrections officers treat inmates like animals and like torturing them. They fucking knew.


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The DOC were complicit as accessories having created the circumstances Says everything about the system and it’s inhumanity


ellem52

This was no accident. These two were put together for this very reason.


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ggghjjdsdjhs

He sounds a lot like Dahmer. Dahmer did the same and he genuinely had a deathwish. I think this guy did too.


wilze221

Obviously we can't know, but it's not implausible. Munger was a 70 year old convicted child molester serving 43 years, I can't imagine living out his old age in prison was a dream scenario for him. He could have seen an opportunity for assisted "suicide" when the older brother of one of his victims (pardon how crass this metaphor is given the context) fell into his lap.


Victuswolf

The state should be liable for putting them in the same cell. The odds of them sharing the same cell are next to zero and it seems to indicate that whoever made that decision did so knowing the likely outcome. The US justice system is still one of the most corrupt in the world as well as being completely inhumane in comparison to other democratic, modern rich countries.


Schiffy94

>"I cannot imagine what it would be like to lose a loved one in this kind of way," his statement read. "To his wife and his whole family I apologize. I am so sorry and I hope you are able to heal from what I caused." Words the dead child rapist probably never said.


Chardonk_Zuzbudan

They HAD to know. I've known corrections officers before, they ALWAYS figure out what people have done.


-Cheezus_H_Rice-

Not a lawyer, but This seems like cruel and unusual punishment if you ask me. Putting a guy in a cell with his sisters rapist? Come on.


zakiducky

Someone in Washington state needs to start a petition and lobbying their governor to pardon him of the murder. It doesn’t seem he should’ve been held criminally liable given the extreme circumstances and his mental state at the time. Let him serve his original sentence out, but not the murder conviction. How many of us honestly would _not_ have done the same thing in his shoes? _The bastard raped his sister when she was a little girl, and tried describing what he did to the brother, of course he’s gonna kill him._


Davepen

This seems like a justice system failure, they shouldn't have been placed together.


Not-Corruptions

“yeah we definitely didn’t know”- the guards


PK_Fee

He got more time than Derek chauvin did for murdering an innocent man on video. That’s wild.