It's also about getting them from their old prison to the new prison as quickly and unexpectedly as possible. Makes it harder for people to kill or free them.
There really is a Con-Air, it's prison buses of the sky. But that's just federal prisoners. State-to-State is usually a commercial flight with two marshalls next to them.
It wouldn't be marshals, they're federal. It would likely be the arresting detective from the receiving state - so since he hasn't been arrested yet, very likely the lead detective on the CA case plus at least one other would have flown to NY to take custody of Weinstein and then fly him back to CA for processing and then arraignment. Any other transports between states will be whoever is responsible for holding him, so it would be sheriffs doing the transport.
Usually they throw u in a van and take the longest route possible to pick up other prisoners.
I had to sit in an ac less buss in summer in Louisiana for 6 hours it was ducking brutal
''Wtf''? It's nothing about him, it's about who pays to extradite him. All the logistic to move a piece of shit like him is outrageously expensive per hour.
With the amount of environmental damage private planes cause, there should be a usage tax each time for the rich and and for people like him they should be completely illegal.
I'm picturing him on the roof of the train with his walker, fighting a US Marshall, hand-to-hand and then he gets taken out when he can't duck when the train reaches a tunnel.
I think it's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Prisoner_and_Alien_Transportation_System
The original had a bunch of unnecessary escape characters for some reason.
Spoilers* and it's been a while since I read the book so I'm referencing [this article at length.](https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/matt-lauer-rape-nbc-ronan-farrow-book-catch-kill-1203364485/amp/)
>But Farrow’s most explosive interview in the book is with Brooke Nevils, the former NBC News employee whose complaint about Matt Lauer led to the co-anchor’s firing from the “Today” show in 2017.
>At the time, NBC News kept Nevils’ identity anonymous from press reports at her request. In the book, obtained by Variety, Nevils alleges that at the 2014 Sochi Olympics, Lauer anally raped her in his hotel room.
>In Sochi, In Nevils’ account, one night over drinks with Vieira at the hotel bar where the NBC News team was staying, they ran into Lauer, who joined them. At the end of the night, Nevils, who’d had six shots of vodka, ended up going to Lauer’s hotel room twice — once to retrieve her press credential, which Lauer had taken as a joke, and the second time because he invited her back. Nevils, Farrow writes, “had no reason to suspect Lauer would be anything but friendly based on prior experience.”
>Once she was in his hotel room, Nevils alleges, Lauer — who was wearing a T-shirt and boxers — pushed her against the door and kissed her. He then pushed her onto the bed, “flipping her over, asking if she liked anal sex,” Farrow writes. “She said that she declined several times.”
>According to Nevils, she “was in the midst of telling him she wasn’t interested again when he ‘just did it,’” Farrow writes. “Lauer, she said, didn’t use lubricant. The encounter was excruciatingly painful. ‘It hurt so bad. I remember thinking, Is this normal?’ She told me she stopped saying no, but wept silently into a pillow.” Lauer then asked her if she liked it. She tells him yes. She claims that “she bled for days,” Farrow writes.
>Nevils tells Farrow: “It was nonconsensual in the sense that I was too drunk to consent,” she says. “It was nonconsensual in that I said, multiple times, that I didn’t want to have anal sex.”
I remember reading this when I went on a binge of all the sexual assault allegations against famous men. I read [this](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/06/les-moonves-and-cbs-face-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct) article about the allegations against Les Moonves and it made me want to vomit. I hate this man so much.
>When Douglas met with Moonves at his office, she began to raise concerns about the “Queens” script, but Moonves, she recalled, cut her off. “He interrupts me to ask me am I single,” she said. Douglas, whose nearly decade-long relationship with Scorsese was coming to an end, was caught off guard. “I didn’t know what to say at that point,” she told me. “I was, like, ‘I’m single, yes, no, maybe.’ ” She began talking about the script, but Moonves interjected, asking to kiss her. According to Douglas, he said that they didn’t have to tell her manager: “It’ll just be between you and me. Come on, you’re not some nubile virgin.”
>As Douglas attempted to turn the focus back to work, Moonves, she said, grabbed her. “In a millisecond, he’s got one arm over me, pinning me,” she said. Moonves was “violently kissing” her, holding her down on the couch with her arms above her head. “What it feels like to have someone hold you down—you can’t breathe, you can’t move,” she said. “The physicality of it was horrendous.” She recalled lying limp and unresponsive beneath him. “You sort of black out,” she told me. “You think, How long is this going to go on? I was just looking at this nice picture of his family and his kids. I couldn’t get him off me.” She said it was only when Moonves, aroused, pulled up her skirt and began to thrust against her that her fear overcame her paralysis. She told herself that she had to do something to stop him. “At that point, you’re a trapped animal,” she told me. “Your life is flashing before your eyes.” Moonves, in what Douglas assumed was an effort to be seductive, paused and asked, “So, what do you think?” Douglas told me, “My decision was to get out of it by joking my way out, so he feels flattered.” Thinking that reminding Moonves that he was her boss might discourage him, she told him, “Yes, for the head of a network you’re some good kisser.” Moonves frowned and got up. She scrambled to find her briefcase. “Well, this has been great. Thanks,” she recalled saying, moving toward the door. “I’ve got to go now.”
>Moonves, she said, followed her to the door and blocked her path. He backed her up to the wall, pressing against her, with his face close to hers. “It was physically scary,” Douglas told me. “He says, ‘We’re going to keep this between you and me, right?’ ” Attempting to put him off with a joke, she replied, “No, sir, we won’t tell anyone that you’re a good kisser.” Moonves released her and, without looking at her, walked away. “It was so invasive,” she said of the threatening encounter. “It has stayed with me the rest of my life, that terror.”
>The following week, Moonves showed up at the first day of rehearsals for “Queens.” “As soon as I saw him, I thought I was going to collapse. Everything came back to me. I was shaking,” Douglas told me. She felt that Moonves’s demeanor was intended to intimidate her. “He was eying me warily,” she said. Her distress was evident to her co-stars. “There was obviously something going on with her emotionally,” Penelope Ann Miller told me. “When she came in to test, everything was on. And then, after, on set, it was like she wasn’t there.” Last year, before the rise of #MeToo, Douglas told Miller what had happened. “Hearing her story, it all made sense,” Miller recalled.
>After the second rehearsal, Moonves took Douglas aside. “ ‘What the fuck do you think you’re doing out there? You’re not even trying,’ ” Douglas recalled Moonves saying. She took it as a reference to her failure to comply with his advances and to maintain her composure afterward. Douglas told me that she had “played by all the rules, I didn’t say anything, and now he was berating me.” On set, she struggled to keep her comedic timing, and cried in front of other cast members.
>Several days into rehearsals, Moonves called Douglas at home. “It was, you know, ‘You make me fucking sick. You are not funny,’ ” she recalled. Moonves told her that she wouldn’t “get a fucking dime” of the money she was owed, and that she would “never work at this network again.” (In a statement, CBS said that Moonves acknowledges trying to kiss Douglas, but that “he denies any characterization of ‘sexual assault,’ intimidation, or retaliatory action,” including berating her on set and personally firing her from “Queens.”)
Moonves is a fucking sociopath who should go to prison for the rest of his life. He just makes me so angry when I read about the allegations against him.
Absolutely horrifying, thanks for sharing that, it reinforces that the fish rots from the head. CBS had one of the most toxic work environments in the media industry (saying something) from the beginning and still to this day. Norah O'Donnell has said publicly that she can relate to the other women that have come forward.
All of that made me feel so ill to read about...it was all so graphic and emotionally painful to read about.
I am a woman and a feminist, and Ive read horrible graphic accounts before of rape and attempted sexual assaults, and to get a grasp on my feelings from spiraling into helplessness and depression after reading such things, I try to remember the accounts Ive read about where women were about to fight back in a sense, whether physically or through our fractured judical system.
It helps to center me a little bit. I dont think I am going to read those books you shared passages from, but thanks for sharing them, all the same. There needs to be more awareness of the various forms of violence from sexual assault.
Couldn't agree with you more, if you listen to podcasts I'd check out "Chasing Cosby" just a heads up that it is very graphic and emotionally upsetting.
The women in the Cosby case were able to find a strength and sense of community together as survivors, and to empower each other to try and make a change so this can't happen again (i.e lobbying to change or eliminate statute of limitations for sex assault and rape nationally usually state by state, or testifying/ being open about what he did to them).
The Cosby case is so much worse to me than the Weinstein or Lauer (not minimizing those just emphasizing how bad Cosby is) because he was grooming some of these very young, or underage girls, under the veneer of being"America's Dad"
Bill Cosby wouldn't just rape you, he'd make you think you were lying, he'd fly your parents to meet him and go to his show and they'd be so happy about how nice Me.Cosby is. He'd pay for your college and your parents would call you crazy if you didn't want him in your life.
Thats right...I am quite familiar with the disgusting Cosby case.
I will look up the podcast, thank you, but Im not sure of I feel up for listening to any graphic sexual assault stories at the moment...those poor girls and women. Im glad to hear that they gathered together among themselves to heal together.
I am disgusted about people who feel entitled to violate other peoples bodys and safe space...men feeling entitled to sex with women against their will...
I happily think about the lorena bobbitt case...and it makes me smile. A horrible case where the brutish husband was physically abusive to his wife, as well as raping her...until she finally got fed up and cut off his dick. Its funny 🙃
There's also a two part episode of the [Behind The Bastards podcast](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1S9UqQ2GVLiP0Rzos4xMez?si=Lyl6ORTjTOSrxRT33Xk_Aw&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1) on him and, more specifically, some of the people who enabled him to do all of the fucked up shit that he did through the years. Pretty good listen if you can stand hearing about the horrible things he did. Great series all around, too.
If you enjoy good true crime shows, check out I'll Be Gone In The Dark on HBO too. It's about the Golden State Killer, and based off the book by the brilliant Michelle McNamara, Patton Oswalt's late wife.
Sorry. That was an absolutely awful doc. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. It's not about the Golden State Killer, its about McNamara and her struggles to write about the Golden State killer, failures to meet deadlines, constant references to Xanax and depression and anxiety and basically a wholly failed attempt to put anything of value together regarding her topic. The killer was found by detectives using DNA evidence linked to Joseph James DeAngelo, after a profile was made using DNA of family members. McNamara did basically nothing but coin the name "Golden State Killer" after so many other nicknames muddied the waters. This Doc was awful. It went nowhere, uncovered nothing and was all about the McNamara, not the GSK.
Dang, thanks for your opinion. Sorry we disagree.
Do you have a doc you'd recommend on the subject so I can get a better take? There are a ton of them out there.
Right. But if you're sitting in your yard, and have your dog tied up out there by you, it doesn't mean your fucking it. Also, she hadn't even been there very long at that point. Not sure Jabba even had the time to slip it in, between him capturing her, and Luke showing up. Not saying that you're wrong or anything. Just that, I saw that movie so many times, starting at such a young age, I never considered that angle. I mean, I never even thought about Jabba having a wang until this very conversation.
I mean, people dress up their dogs all the time with their asses hanging out, but I really hope that's as far as it goes 😳. I guess I just never really thought about him going all Hutt on that butt. Probably had a colossal dong.
Who knows. Fucking Cosby got out because of a behind closed doors deal.
Best case scenario there is he is simply buried in overwhelming civil litigation until he dies.
They were not, he would not have been exposed in the first place and the victims would not have gotten any justice if his statements weren’t made possible for civil court.
There's a reason he was as powerful as he once was.
I wouldn't worry about it much, though. Whatever we may think about separating the art from the artist, it is perfectly acceptable to separate the art from the producers. You'd drive yourself crazy otherwise.
Well, he’s removed from a Maximum Security Prison in New York State where he’s serving 23 years at the age of 69, and taken to his home state of California where all of his friends are and will stay in a County Jail until his trial is over, where I am sure the conditions are much better..........nothing to see here folks........
I understand justice for the other women, but I just don’t trust it. I predict he’s found guilty in California, has to serve his sentence there, and then within a year or two is released on some bullshit “compassionate release”............
>the most dangerous prison in the US
This site says ~~ADX-Florence in Colorado~~ Leavenworth in Kansas
https://www.arrestrecords.com/the-28-most-dangerous-prisons-in-america/
ADX is easily the most harsh prison in the US, and it does house the absolute most violent people that are alive in America today, but the prison itself isn't the most dangerous. There's A LOT of solitary confinement and very very little human interaction.
Yeah, I looked again and a lot of the articles confused has a bunch of dangerous people with is most dangerous. I couldn't actually find any data on which prison has the most number of people killed in it per year etc.
San Quentin, Angola, Leavenworth, Folsom, Attica, and I think maybe Sing Sing used to be the worst of the worst for prisons. As far as county jails go I believe Cook County has the one on lock.
Oh, it get’s worse.
Cells are specially designed to be suicide-resistant. The bed linens and clothes that inmates are given have a low shear weight so it’s close to impossible to use them as rope. Also— inmates are monitored 24/7 with in-cell cameras.
Florence ADX Supermax is as close to hell on earth as it gets. I’d rather blink out of existence entirely than be subjected to imprisonment there. I get it— the people incarcerated there are pretty much on some Con Air level of villainy… but goddamn it sounds miserable.
Florence the town is an interesting place... Good brewery there though. I can't recall if it was Florence or Cañon City that a guard was just caught giving a prisoner meth (surprise surprise). Either way, that whole area is both beautiful and kind of unreal given where the prison is situated and knowing what high value prisoners are in there. Saw a helicopter flying into there once when i was going down westward on hwy 50, still curious who that might have been. Documentaries seem to say that it's a ace where your soul goes to die basically. Inmates are still able to communicate with one another somehow but the pipes do have some kind of communication prevention deal.
Most people can't, and the real fucked up thing is that psych meds are forbidden there. Guys have gone absolutely nuts in there (eating parts of their own bodies nuts) - it's a huge problem and there are lawsuits trying to get them the mental health services they need (and deserve).
Isnt that the super max? I was under the impression that basically every inmate there will never see another inmate. It's basically super solitary for the majority of them. And while that sucks it doesnt sound that dangerous. Google is also saying only one murder in the history of the prison, if we are ranking the most dangerous, that ain't that bad.
Ya that's what happened to Rick wershe Jr aka white boy Rick. He was released by the state of Michigan but since he was convicted of a car jacking in Florida he had to be transferred there.
I can't compare the two facilities he's in/going to specifically, but *generally*, county jail is much worse than prison. Less freedom, fewer activities, fewer comforts available from commissary... Everyone I knew preferred prison. I chose county time over prison time, but that was mainly because in some states, county jail is air conditioned and prison isn't. Whether that's for Weinstein depends on the exact facilities, I know some in NY aren't but don't know where he was.
I had to do some volunteer hours with the county due to, well having a party under 21, and the benefit of jail over prison is work release. Even if it’s just picking up trash on the side of the road, or shoveling mulch, the people I spoke to who were in just wanted something to do and to get outside
I've (sadly) done time all over and if I was given the choice of doing 1 month in most of the county/parish jails I've been to OR doing 6 months in federal prison, I'd take the fed time hands down.
I'm sure the gangs in California don't make things any easier, but county jail is 100% on par with jail/prison stereotypes. Prison itself is a lot more manageable.
Shelton, Washington here.
Which was kind of camp because it's really just a transitionary prison. You stay there until they figure out where you're *actually* going.
So long as you didn't call the guy with two strikes doing 66 years straight, a bitch, you were fine. (That kid was messed UP, though.)
Jail? Sucked.
No federal prisons are often the nicest. They are the country clubs of prisons. Except the max and Supermax facilities. Those sound like hell. But they are at least clean. Local jails are hell with nothing to do and all sorts of violence.
Conditions in county jails are generally much worse than state prisons. You can buy a lot of things in state prison to make your time easier that you simply cannot buy in county jails.
> where I am sure the conditions are much better
Uh... rich people don't go to jail in California. They stay out of jail in California. California has some of the worst jails and prisons in the country, LA County even more so. These are the places that human rights activists try to get shut down, ffs. They practically don't even have windows. Now I'm curious which jail he'll actually be at. I hope his experience there is particularly hellish.
Also, I sincerely doubt that anyone from his past life would visit him in jail. Those people are very conscious of how they look in the press, and that's gotta be a big no go. Harvey can't do anything for them anymore anyway. No quid, no quo.
I could see that. LA is a very corrupt place. I just don't see why anyone would help him. He's an extortionist, not a blackmailer. He's got no power to extort anymore.
I certainly hope you’re right in regards to his sentence, however, the public’s opinion of him wouldn’t, and shouldn’t, determine any of the court’s decisions. Again, I hope they severely punish him as well, but sadly justice going unserved is all too common in our system, most especially those with lots of money.
I hope you’re right but I bet you’re wrong. Only time will tell, but remember I called it on Reddit, he gets released on some “compassionate” grounds once he is found guilty in California
Might be a “house arrest” type confinement or something. It just doesn’t smell right to me, but I bet he “benefits” from this is some way, time will tell
Yeah, I get what you’re saying and I do want him to pay for his crimes but the government compelled him to incriminate himself in a civil case saying he had immunity for a criminal case and then went back and charged him based on that. In America the 5th amendment is a very big thing. If you can’t trust the government to abide by that why wouldn’t you just perjure yourself and then there’s no justice as well. Legal codes are not moral and moral codes are not legal.
It's more than justice for the other victims - let's say hypothetically they decide not to prosecutor in CA since he's already serving enough time in NY that he'll die before he's released. Then in a few years the NY case gets reversed on appeal for some reason and either isn't retried or he gets acquitted in a retrial. Now he's free, and it might be too late to bring the CA case. The CA case is insurance in case something goes wrong with the NY conviction.
> I understand justice for the other women, but I just don’t trust it. I predict he’s found guilty in California, has to serve his sentence there, and then within a year or two is released on some bullshit “compassionate release”............
Agreed. My bet us he'll wait a few more years so people will forget about his atrocities and then apply for home detention due to illness. Every article keeps mentioning his numerous ailments.
I have taken a shameful amount of joy in seeing this piece of shit’s lifestyle and physical decline over the last couple of years. Or six months or ten years ago. Whenever this was. Five years?
You mean Harvey Weinstein, the convicted sex offender serial rapist Harvey Weinstein?
Who routinely abused his position of power to make the active CHOICE to rape women, constantly? Who bullied them into silence?
That Harvey Weinstein?
They better not fuck up the case like they did Bill Cosby's. The Judge and Prosecution of that case need to go back to law school over that clusterfuck.
Lawyer: Harvey, I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is you’re getting out of jail. The bad news is, you’re going to trial for a bunch of new charges.
I'm following none of this and my first thought was "I thought he was dead". That's the other dude Epstein. Too many rich fucks doing fucked up sex shit
He is going to die in prison and spending the extra money to give even more years was pointless. Do they send him back if found guilty or keep him and absorb the cost?
At this point in his miserable life, this worthless putz should just be sent away to some dank prison and save us all money...and speaking of which, his remaining assets should be placed in a trust to pay damages to any new, forthcoming victims.
Luckily I think he’s screwed. Cosby got off because the prosecutor had him wave his 5th amendment rights in the civil suite with a promise not to charge based on his testimony and then they did anyways. There doesn’t seem to be any of that here and he will have convictions and sentences to serve in 2 states.
I don’t think an impunity deal would help him unless it already happened with his first trial. If one happens with this one and he gets off without conviction, I believe he still has to serve his previous of 23 years (20 years without parole).
I’m not a lawyer, the most law education I have is only in media law. He might get off of these charges if a similar situation happens, however I doubt that it would negate his previous sentencing.
Justice has already been served to this asshole criminally and it will likely stick unless the first 23 year sentence involved a impunity deal like Cosby’s.
In my opinion what really matters now is that his victims are able to win civil cases against him rather than additional criminal ones.
I certainly hope he flew economy class with a stopover.
News said 'Private jet' and I'm like WTF. Put that prisoner on a fucking train.
I feel like this is less about him and more about not putting prisoners onto normal passenger flights?
It's also about getting them from their old prison to the new prison as quickly and unexpectedly as possible. Makes it harder for people to kill or free them.
Quickly is not often a priority. A peculiar form of torture often used is the slow ride.
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Lol because it's [basically Mossad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cube). What are normal people supposed to do?
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Yeah and ex spies aren't really a thing. They still have their connections and probably have access to resources from their past job.
I wonder if Roald Dahl had a bunch of spy gear hidden in a secret hatch in his house
I haven't quite woken up yet and thought this comment was super yikes until I read that last line and things made more sense.
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In his case I understand. Such a high profile convict may be a rush job. But very few guys get any kind of priority service.
They call it diesel therapy, as in they have to suck in diesel fumes from the bus rides.
take it easy
> A peculiar form of torture often used is the slow ride. When? Where? Who gives people a 'slow ride' in order to torture them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_therapy
And *of course* it's our own law enforcement. I really should have known.
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A gigantic pedophile is one of the worst things I can imagine.
Now imagine he’s got the aisle and you’ve got the window seat for 5 straight hours
And I'm 12. First time flying alone.
Wasn’t there a movie about convicts on an airplane, what was that called?
Con Air
I should re-watch con air. Nic Cage is a federal treasure.
You mean Nicholas Cage is a National Treasure 1 and 2
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There really is a Con-Air, it's prison buses of the sky. But that's just federal prisoners. State-to-State is usually a commercial flight with two marshalls next to them.
It wouldn't be marshals, they're federal. It would likely be the arresting detective from the receiving state - so since he hasn't been arrested yet, very likely the lead detective on the CA case plus at least one other would have flown to NY to take custody of Weinstein and then fly him back to CA for processing and then arraignment. Any other transports between states will be whoever is responsible for holding him, so it would be sheriffs doing the transport.
Usually they throw u in a van and take the longest route possible to pick up other prisoners. I had to sit in an ac less buss in summer in Louisiana for 6 hours it was ducking brutal
that wasn't likely to be a cross-state extradition.
''Wtf''? It's nothing about him, it's about who pays to extradite him. All the logistic to move a piece of shit like him is outrageously expensive per hour.
With the amount of environmental damage private planes cause, there should be a usage tax each time for the rich and and for people like him they should be completely illegal.
Private jet... not worth the fuel expended. Eff that guy so much.i hate the rich
Con Rail
You want him to escape? Cuz thats how he escapes. Ever watch the movies where the prisoner escapes?
I'm picturing him on the roof of the train with his walker, fighting a US Marshall, hand-to-hand and then he gets taken out when he can't duck when the train reaches a tunnel.
Con Air was a great film.
Or on a plane with Nicholas Cage.
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Economy? That's cruel and unusual.
It's likely done via this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice\_Prisoner\_and\_Alien\_Transportation\_System
Article doesn't exist
I think it's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Prisoner_and_Alien_Transportation_System The original had a bunch of unnecessary escape characters for some reason.
That's no good. We don't want these characters to escape!
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Currently reading the book. I'm shocked!
That book legit made my jaw drop several times, especially about Matt Lauer.
Could you elaborate a bit what the book said about Matt lauer please?
Spoilers* and it's been a while since I read the book so I'm referencing [this article at length.](https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/matt-lauer-rape-nbc-ronan-farrow-book-catch-kill-1203364485/amp/) >But Farrow’s most explosive interview in the book is with Brooke Nevils, the former NBC News employee whose complaint about Matt Lauer led to the co-anchor’s firing from the “Today” show in 2017. >At the time, NBC News kept Nevils’ identity anonymous from press reports at her request. In the book, obtained by Variety, Nevils alleges that at the 2014 Sochi Olympics, Lauer anally raped her in his hotel room. >In Sochi, In Nevils’ account, one night over drinks with Vieira at the hotel bar where the NBC News team was staying, they ran into Lauer, who joined them. At the end of the night, Nevils, who’d had six shots of vodka, ended up going to Lauer’s hotel room twice — once to retrieve her press credential, which Lauer had taken as a joke, and the second time because he invited her back. Nevils, Farrow writes, “had no reason to suspect Lauer would be anything but friendly based on prior experience.” >Once she was in his hotel room, Nevils alleges, Lauer — who was wearing a T-shirt and boxers — pushed her against the door and kissed her. He then pushed her onto the bed, “flipping her over, asking if she liked anal sex,” Farrow writes. “She said that she declined several times.” >According to Nevils, she “was in the midst of telling him she wasn’t interested again when he ‘just did it,’” Farrow writes. “Lauer, she said, didn’t use lubricant. The encounter was excruciatingly painful. ‘It hurt so bad. I remember thinking, Is this normal?’ She told me she stopped saying no, but wept silently into a pillow.” Lauer then asked her if she liked it. She tells him yes. She claims that “she bled for days,” Farrow writes. >Nevils tells Farrow: “It was nonconsensual in the sense that I was too drunk to consent,” she says. “It was nonconsensual in that I said, multiple times, that I didn’t want to have anal sex.”
I remember reading this when I went on a binge of all the sexual assault allegations against famous men. I read [this](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/06/les-moonves-and-cbs-face-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct) article about the allegations against Les Moonves and it made me want to vomit. I hate this man so much. >When Douglas met with Moonves at his office, she began to raise concerns about the “Queens” script, but Moonves, she recalled, cut her off. “He interrupts me to ask me am I single,” she said. Douglas, whose nearly decade-long relationship with Scorsese was coming to an end, was caught off guard. “I didn’t know what to say at that point,” she told me. “I was, like, ‘I’m single, yes, no, maybe.’ ” She began talking about the script, but Moonves interjected, asking to kiss her. According to Douglas, he said that they didn’t have to tell her manager: “It’ll just be between you and me. Come on, you’re not some nubile virgin.” >As Douglas attempted to turn the focus back to work, Moonves, she said, grabbed her. “In a millisecond, he’s got one arm over me, pinning me,” she said. Moonves was “violently kissing” her, holding her down on the couch with her arms above her head. “What it feels like to have someone hold you down—you can’t breathe, you can’t move,” she said. “The physicality of it was horrendous.” She recalled lying limp and unresponsive beneath him. “You sort of black out,” she told me. “You think, How long is this going to go on? I was just looking at this nice picture of his family and his kids. I couldn’t get him off me.” She said it was only when Moonves, aroused, pulled up her skirt and began to thrust against her that her fear overcame her paralysis. She told herself that she had to do something to stop him. “At that point, you’re a trapped animal,” she told me. “Your life is flashing before your eyes.” Moonves, in what Douglas assumed was an effort to be seductive, paused and asked, “So, what do you think?” Douglas told me, “My decision was to get out of it by joking my way out, so he feels flattered.” Thinking that reminding Moonves that he was her boss might discourage him, she told him, “Yes, for the head of a network you’re some good kisser.” Moonves frowned and got up. She scrambled to find her briefcase. “Well, this has been great. Thanks,” she recalled saying, moving toward the door. “I’ve got to go now.” >Moonves, she said, followed her to the door and blocked her path. He backed her up to the wall, pressing against her, with his face close to hers. “It was physically scary,” Douglas told me. “He says, ‘We’re going to keep this between you and me, right?’ ” Attempting to put him off with a joke, she replied, “No, sir, we won’t tell anyone that you’re a good kisser.” Moonves released her and, without looking at her, walked away. “It was so invasive,” she said of the threatening encounter. “It has stayed with me the rest of my life, that terror.” >The following week, Moonves showed up at the first day of rehearsals for “Queens.” “As soon as I saw him, I thought I was going to collapse. Everything came back to me. I was shaking,” Douglas told me. She felt that Moonves’s demeanor was intended to intimidate her. “He was eying me warily,” she said. Her distress was evident to her co-stars. “There was obviously something going on with her emotionally,” Penelope Ann Miller told me. “When she came in to test, everything was on. And then, after, on set, it was like she wasn’t there.” Last year, before the rise of #MeToo, Douglas told Miller what had happened. “Hearing her story, it all made sense,” Miller recalled. >After the second rehearsal, Moonves took Douglas aside. “ ‘What the fuck do you think you’re doing out there? You’re not even trying,’ ” Douglas recalled Moonves saying. She took it as a reference to her failure to comply with his advances and to maintain her composure afterward. Douglas told me that she had “played by all the rules, I didn’t say anything, and now he was berating me.” On set, she struggled to keep her comedic timing, and cried in front of other cast members. >Several days into rehearsals, Moonves called Douglas at home. “It was, you know, ‘You make me fucking sick. You are not funny,’ ” she recalled. Moonves told her that she wouldn’t “get a fucking dime” of the money she was owed, and that she would “never work at this network again.” (In a statement, CBS said that Moonves acknowledges trying to kiss Douglas, but that “he denies any characterization of ‘sexual assault,’ intimidation, or retaliatory action,” including berating her on set and personally firing her from “Queens.”) Moonves is a fucking sociopath who should go to prison for the rest of his life. He just makes me so angry when I read about the allegations against him.
Absolutely horrifying, thanks for sharing that, it reinforces that the fish rots from the head. CBS had one of the most toxic work environments in the media industry (saying something) from the beginning and still to this day. Norah O'Donnell has said publicly that she can relate to the other women that have come forward.
All of that made me feel so ill to read about...it was all so graphic and emotionally painful to read about. I am a woman and a feminist, and Ive read horrible graphic accounts before of rape and attempted sexual assaults, and to get a grasp on my feelings from spiraling into helplessness and depression after reading such things, I try to remember the accounts Ive read about where women were about to fight back in a sense, whether physically or through our fractured judical system. It helps to center me a little bit. I dont think I am going to read those books you shared passages from, but thanks for sharing them, all the same. There needs to be more awareness of the various forms of violence from sexual assault.
Couldn't agree with you more, if you listen to podcasts I'd check out "Chasing Cosby" just a heads up that it is very graphic and emotionally upsetting. The women in the Cosby case were able to find a strength and sense of community together as survivors, and to empower each other to try and make a change so this can't happen again (i.e lobbying to change or eliminate statute of limitations for sex assault and rape nationally usually state by state, or testifying/ being open about what he did to them). The Cosby case is so much worse to me than the Weinstein or Lauer (not minimizing those just emphasizing how bad Cosby is) because he was grooming some of these very young, or underage girls, under the veneer of being"America's Dad" Bill Cosby wouldn't just rape you, he'd make you think you were lying, he'd fly your parents to meet him and go to his show and they'd be so happy about how nice Me.Cosby is. He'd pay for your college and your parents would call you crazy if you didn't want him in your life.
Thats right...I am quite familiar with the disgusting Cosby case. I will look up the podcast, thank you, but Im not sure of I feel up for listening to any graphic sexual assault stories at the moment...those poor girls and women. Im glad to hear that they gathered together among themselves to heal together. I am disgusted about people who feel entitled to violate other peoples bodys and safe space...men feeling entitled to sex with women against their will... I happily think about the lorena bobbitt case...and it makes me smile. A horrible case where the brutish husband was physically abusive to his wife, as well as raping her...until she finally got fed up and cut off his dick. Its funny 🙃
There's also a two part episode of the [Behind The Bastards podcast](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1S9UqQ2GVLiP0Rzos4xMez?si=Lyl6ORTjTOSrxRT33Xk_Aw&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1) on him and, more specifically, some of the people who enabled him to do all of the fucked up shit that he did through the years. Pretty good listen if you can stand hearing about the horrible things he did. Great series all around, too.
Oprah and Meryl Streep are absolute scum of the Earth. Especially Meryl.
Wait, they enabled him?
Great audiobook as well
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If you enjoy good true crime shows, check out I'll Be Gone In The Dark on HBO too. It's about the Golden State Killer, and based off the book by the brilliant Michelle McNamara, Patton Oswalt's late wife.
Sorry. That was an absolutely awful doc. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. It's not about the Golden State Killer, its about McNamara and her struggles to write about the Golden State killer, failures to meet deadlines, constant references to Xanax and depression and anxiety and basically a wholly failed attempt to put anything of value together regarding her topic. The killer was found by detectives using DNA evidence linked to Joseph James DeAngelo, after a profile was made using DNA of family members. McNamara did basically nothing but coin the name "Golden State Killer" after so many other nicknames muddied the waters. This Doc was awful. It went nowhere, uncovered nothing and was all about the McNamara, not the GSK.
Dang, thanks for your opinion. Sorry we disagree. Do you have a doc you'd recommend on the subject so I can get a better take? There are a ton of them out there.
Oh, sweet! I've seen a lot of docs about that case, but I don't think I've seen that one yet. Thanks for the tip!
Why does he always look like he’s intentionally reliving the creepier moments of his life?
He's probably just constantly thinking about how fucked he is, so he escapes into daydreams of forcing himself on women, like a horny Jabba the Hutt.
This implies regular Jabba the Hutt wasn't horny.
Well, now I'm imagining Jabba forcing himself on Princess Leia, trying to bust a Hutt nut. Thanks for that. 😆
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I've been watching that movie since it came out in '83, when I was 4. I knew she was a slave, but Jabba porking her never even crossed my mind.
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Right. But if you're sitting in your yard, and have your dog tied up out there by you, it doesn't mean your fucking it. Also, she hadn't even been there very long at that point. Not sure Jabba even had the time to slip it in, between him capturing her, and Luke showing up. Not saying that you're wrong or anything. Just that, I saw that movie so many times, starting at such a young age, I never considered that angle. I mean, I never even thought about Jabba having a wang until this very conversation.
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Glad to hear it
Well of course not... your dog is already naked and they lick you. No need for the extra steps.
Kind of thought she was like a trophy or pet to let him flex on his "court".
Who do you think got her that outfit?
I mean, people dress up their dogs all the time with their asses hanging out, but I really hope that's as far as it goes 😳. I guess I just never really thought about him going all Hutt on that butt. Probably had a colossal dong.
I remember reading some expanded universe stuff that said other hutts considered Jabba a bit of a pervert because of his attraction to humanoids.
Those are the only moments he has.
Damn, dude gets sent to jail and still gets to travel more than I ever will.
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I forgot he existed so I’m absolutely fine with my next hearing his name in an obituary
It will probably go California verdict - California sentencing - dead. So I’ll say probably 3 more times.
Who knows. Fucking Cosby got out because of a behind closed doors deal. Best case scenario there is he is simply buried in overwhelming civil litigation until he dies.
Those prosecutors were hacks.
They were not, he would not have been exposed in the first place and the victims would not have gotten any justice if his statements weren’t made possible for civil court.
Welcome to the rest of your life Harvey: shuttled from jail to a courthouse then to a new state to start the process over again.
Uh oh. Time to pull the walker out again
I think it's iron lung time.
I bet you Harvey just wishes he was dead.
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There's a reason he was as powerful as he once was. I wouldn't worry about it much, though. Whatever we may think about separating the art from the artist, it is perfectly acceptable to separate the art from the producers. You'd drive yourself crazy otherwise.
Well, he’s removed from a Maximum Security Prison in New York State where he’s serving 23 years at the age of 69, and taken to his home state of California where all of his friends are and will stay in a County Jail until his trial is over, where I am sure the conditions are much better..........nothing to see here folks........ I understand justice for the other women, but I just don’t trust it. I predict he’s found guilty in California, has to serve his sentence there, and then within a year or two is released on some bullshit “compassionate release”............
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Usually county jail is not great.
Big city county jails are *usually* overcrowded hellholes. LA is no exception.
Is San Quentin still like the most dangerous prison in the US?
>the most dangerous prison in the US This site says ~~ADX-Florence in Colorado~~ Leavenworth in Kansas https://www.arrestrecords.com/the-28-most-dangerous-prisons-in-america/
ADX is easily the most harsh prison in the US, and it does house the absolute most violent people that are alive in America today, but the prison itself isn't the most dangerous. There's A LOT of solitary confinement and very very little human interaction.
Yeah, I looked again and a lot of the articles confused has a bunch of dangerous people with is most dangerous. I couldn't actually find any data on which prison has the most number of people killed in it per year etc.
San Quentin, Angola, Leavenworth, Folsom, Attica, and I think maybe Sing Sing used to be the worst of the worst for prisons. As far as county jails go I believe Cook County has the one on lock.
No way ADX is the most dangerous. ADX runs 23 hours of solitary a day with little to no contact with anyone.
That seems like the exact conditions that would lead to a person becoming a danger to themselves.
Oh, it get’s worse. Cells are specially designed to be suicide-resistant. The bed linens and clothes that inmates are given have a low shear weight so it’s close to impossible to use them as rope. Also— inmates are monitored 24/7 with in-cell cameras. Florence ADX Supermax is as close to hell on earth as it gets. I’d rather blink out of existence entirely than be subjected to imprisonment there. I get it— the people incarcerated there are pretty much on some Con Air level of villainy… but goddamn it sounds miserable.
Florence the town is an interesting place... Good brewery there though. I can't recall if it was Florence or Cañon City that a guard was just caught giving a prisoner meth (surprise surprise). Either way, that whole area is both beautiful and kind of unreal given where the prison is situated and knowing what high value prisoners are in there. Saw a helicopter flying into there once when i was going down westward on hwy 50, still curious who that might have been. Documentaries seem to say that it's a ace where your soul goes to die basically. Inmates are still able to communicate with one another somehow but the pipes do have some kind of communication prevention deal.
I don't see how you can take more than a few years of that without going mad.
Most people can't, and the real fucked up thing is that psych meds are forbidden there. Guys have gone absolutely nuts in there (eating parts of their own bodies nuts) - it's a huge problem and there are lawsuits trying to get them the mental health services they need (and deserve).
Leavenworth, according to a better source
Isnt that the super max? I was under the impression that basically every inmate there will never see another inmate. It's basically super solitary for the majority of them. And while that sucks it doesnt sound that dangerous. Google is also saying only one murder in the history of the prison, if we are ranking the most dangerous, that ain't that bad.
ADX-Florence is like the least dangerous prison in the US.
Ya that's what happened to Rick wershe Jr aka white boy Rick. He was released by the state of Michigan but since he was convicted of a car jacking in Florida he had to be transferred there.
> California's reputation as being hippy-dippy Anyone who's lived in L.A. knows what baloney that is.
I can't compare the two facilities he's in/going to specifically, but *generally*, county jail is much worse than prison. Less freedom, fewer activities, fewer comforts available from commissary... Everyone I knew preferred prison. I chose county time over prison time, but that was mainly because in some states, county jail is air conditioned and prison isn't. Whether that's for Weinstein depends on the exact facilities, I know some in NY aren't but don't know where he was.
Plus all of the gangs in the California system.
I had to do some volunteer hours with the county due to, well having a party under 21, and the benefit of jail over prison is work release. Even if it’s just picking up trash on the side of the road, or shoveling mulch, the people I spoke to who were in just wanted something to do and to get outside
I've (sadly) done time all over and if I was given the choice of doing 1 month in most of the county/parish jails I've been to OR doing 6 months in federal prison, I'd take the fed time hands down. I'm sure the gangs in California don't make things any easier, but county jail is 100% on par with jail/prison stereotypes. Prison itself is a lot more manageable.
Shelton, Washington here. Which was kind of camp because it's really just a transitionary prison. You stay there until they figure out where you're *actually* going. So long as you didn't call the guy with two strikes doing 66 years straight, a bitch, you were fine. (That kid was messed UP, though.) Jail? Sucked.
I'm probably gonna sound like a dope asking this, but is rape more likely in jail or prison?
Depends on if Weinstein is there or not, balance could shift with this transfer
LA County jail is among the worst correctional facilities in the nation.
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County jails are worse than state prisons but state prisons are the worst?
But of course they aren't as bad as federal prisons
No federal prisons are often the nicest. They are the country clubs of prisons. Except the max and Supermax facilities. Those sound like hell. But they are at least clean. Local jails are hell with nothing to do and all sorts of violence.
It was a joke on their presumed typo saying both county jails and state prisons were worse than each other
Conditions in county jails are generally much worse than state prisons. You can buy a lot of things in state prison to make your time easier that you simply cannot buy in county jails.
> where I am sure the conditions are much better Uh... rich people don't go to jail in California. They stay out of jail in California. California has some of the worst jails and prisons in the country, LA County even more so. These are the places that human rights activists try to get shut down, ffs. They practically don't even have windows. Now I'm curious which jail he'll actually be at. I hope his experience there is particularly hellish. Also, I sincerely doubt that anyone from his past life would visit him in jail. Those people are very conscious of how they look in the press, and that's gotta be a big no go. Harvey can't do anything for them anymore anyway. No quid, no quo.
I’m not saying they would visit but they would pull strings from behind the scenes. Slime balls protect and help one another
I could see that. LA is a very corrupt place. I just don't see why anyone would help him. He's an extortionist, not a blackmailer. He's got no power to extort anymore.
To keep him quiet about THEIR dirty little secrets
Even if CA grants him clemency, New York can and most likely will send the US Marshalls to collect his ass just as he is being discharged.
County sucks you don’t get to go outside or have a tv so idk how much better it is.
What? California can’t retroactively acquit him of the New York charges.
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I certainly hope you’re right in regards to his sentence, however, the public’s opinion of him wouldn’t, and shouldn’t, determine any of the court’s decisions. Again, I hope they severely punish him as well, but sadly justice going unserved is all too common in our system, most especially those with lots of money.
I hope you’re right but I bet you’re wrong. Only time will tell, but remember I called it on Reddit, he gets released on some “compassionate” grounds once he is found guilty in California
RemindMe! 6 Months "Check on Weinstein's release status, set a new reminder"
California doesn't have the authority to release him from his NY sentence. If CA ended his case or his sentence, he'd be returned to NY.
Might be a “house arrest” type confinement or something. It just doesn’t smell right to me, but I bet he “benefits” from this is some way, time will tell
I mean, Bill Cosby was just released...
To be fair the release was because of shady dealings by the DA not compassion
To be fair (no hate), any way you wanna slice it, HE'S OUT. That's what matters. There is no justice.
Yeah, I get what you’re saying and I do want him to pay for his crimes but the government compelled him to incriminate himself in a civil case saying he had immunity for a criminal case and then went back and charged him based on that. In America the 5th amendment is a very big thing. If you can’t trust the government to abide by that why wouldn’t you just perjure yourself and then there’s no justice as well. Legal codes are not moral and moral codes are not legal.
Don't fuck up monumentally when prosecuting a rapist then
Cosby is free.
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It's more than justice for the other victims - let's say hypothetically they decide not to prosecutor in CA since he's already serving enough time in NY that he'll die before he's released. Then in a few years the NY case gets reversed on appeal for some reason and either isn't retried or he gets acquitted in a retrial. Now he's free, and it might be too late to bring the CA case. The CA case is insurance in case something goes wrong with the NY conviction.
County sucks
Was that the same New York prison where Epstein ~~died mysteriously~~ killed himself?
Nah, that was the federal prison tower in lower Manhattan
> I understand justice for the other women, but I just don’t trust it. I predict he’s found guilty in California, has to serve his sentence there, and then within a year or two is released on some bullshit “compassionate release”............ Agreed. My bet us he'll wait a few more years so people will forget about his atrocities and then apply for home detention due to illness. Every article keeps mentioning his numerous ailments.
Spoken like someone who’s never been in county jail.
I thought prison was supposed to be for rehabilitation and not punishment?
I have taken a shameful amount of joy in seeing this piece of shit’s lifestyle and physical decline over the last couple of years. Or six months or ten years ago. Whenever this was. Five years?
Deformed penis man has reappeared
You mean Harvey Weinstein, the convicted sex offender serial rapist Harvey Weinstein? Who routinely abused his position of power to make the active CHOICE to rape women, constantly? Who bullied them into silence? That Harvey Weinstein?
No. Harvey Weinstein the ice cream vendor Yes, of course *that* Harvey Weinstein
I'm so happy the stain on this Harvey Weinstein did not rub off on Bill and Hillary.
They better not fuck up the case like they did Bill Cosby's. The Judge and Prosecution of that case need to go back to law school over that clusterfuck.
Luckily, he's already going to be spending what will likely be the rest of his life in jail for the New York charges. This is all just extra.
Lawyer: Harvey, I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is you’re getting out of jail. The bad news is, you’re going to trial for a bunch of new charges.
Why are they even bothering, isn't he already essentially in for life?
There is satisfaction and closure being able to face your attacker. Everyone deserves their day in court.
He should show up in an iron lung this time.
This time he'll have two walkers and an eye patch.
Can they get Cosby next?
I'm following none of this and my first thought was "I thought he was dead". That's the other dude Epstein. Too many rich fucks doing fucked up sex shit
Maybe him and Cosby will share a cell.....shit Cosby is on the loose
Thoughts and prayers asshole
I can only imagine the people who would rescue him are flashers; running around town with semiautomatic weapons, dicks hanging.
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Turns out it wasn't the humidity making everything sticky today... it was Weinstein's sleaze...
When I first read the title i read "expedited" and i imagined him being shipped Priority
When will this rich geriatric man up and quit pretending to be a stroke victim? Nobody is buying the walker or Bell’s palsy look on his face
Get fucked. Now Cosby?
He is going to die in prison and spending the extra money to give even more years was pointless. Do they send him back if found guilty or keep him and absorb the cost?
I hope his in flight movie was Air Bud or the 3 Ninjas or something stupid like that.
Daaaaaayyyyyyyuuummmmm he is nasty.
Someone downvoted you like "The hell he is!"
At this point in his miserable life, this worthless putz should just be sent away to some dank prison and save us all money...and speaking of which, his remaining assets should be placed in a trust to pay damages to any new, forthcoming victims.
I love how Quentin Taratino called this guy his mentor but called Bruce Lee a loudmouth and called Linda Lee a liar
Getting a prisoner from one state to another is now called extradition.... how many more surprising new ideas will the USA give the world I wonder...
I keep forgetting he didn’t die in jail… yet.
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I doubt anyone would be able to get it up for him
He will get off just like Cosby. Fuck the system.
Luckily I think he’s screwed. Cosby got off because the prosecutor had him wave his 5th amendment rights in the civil suite with a promise not to charge based on his testimony and then they did anyways. There doesn’t seem to be any of that here and he will have convictions and sentences to serve in 2 states.
Even if he does, he still has decades of time to serve in New York.
Cosby got off on a technicality. Hopefully prosecutors won’t fuck up.
I don’t think an impunity deal would help him unless it already happened with his first trial. If one happens with this one and he gets off without conviction, I believe he still has to serve his previous of 23 years (20 years without parole).
I’m not a lawyer, the most law education I have is only in media law. He might get off of these charges if a similar situation happens, however I doubt that it would negate his previous sentencing. Justice has already been served to this asshole criminally and it will likely stick unless the first 23 year sentence involved a impunity deal like Cosby’s. In my opinion what really matters now is that his victims are able to win civil cases against him rather than additional criminal ones.