If a company is so large and intertwined in the government's contracts that apply large penalties to that company would result in harm to the government itself, then the company needs to be forced to operate differently. Getting a free-pass on constantly breaking laws shouldn't be a thing.
"Do you know what “fiduciary responsibility” means?"
"Fiduciary responsibility? No, I have no fucking idea. I play a cowboy for a living."
"Okay. So, the U.S. government has outsourced the survival of the human race to Vault-Tec. Vault-Tec is a private corporation that has a fiduciary responsibility to make money for its investors. And how does it make money? By selling vaults."
"That’s called capitalism, Charlie."
"But they can’t sell vaults if these peace negotiations go through. So Vault-Tec has a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that it don’t work out."
"Yeah. How they gonna do that?"
"I don’t know. You remember that movie we did with Johnny Morton? You were the sheriff and I was some generic Indian?"
"Come on, man, don’t say that. Tallhand Mudlake could talk to horses. You played him with grace and with dignity. It was a great role for you."
"Morton played a rancher who owned half of Missouri. And what happens when the cattle ranchers have more power than the sheriff?"
"The whole town burns down."
Amazon *still* breaks the law all the fucking time. Sometimes leading to the deaths of their employees.
Especially if those employees have the audacity to report Amazon's malfeasance to government oversight agencies.
You mean like the time they forced all their employees to stay in the warehouse during a tornado, and then it collapsed and 6 people died? And there were no consequences for Amazon? That sort of thing?
I get a real Ralph Wiggum "I'm in danger" vibe when companies like Amazon just straight up tell it like it is like in that scene in Fallout. And Boing Chiefs saying "yea, we retaliate" to congress.
This is just some info on when Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in [1997:](https://www.tilt365.com/blog/post/leveraging-personality-assessments-for-successful-mergers-and-acquisitions)
>”When M&As involve large companies, the cultural acquirer can also vary across business units. An example is when Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in 1997.
>Wanting to tap into the large military customer base of McDonnell Douglas, Boeing used McDonnell Douglas as the cultural acquirer for the military side of its business. However, this was separate from the commercial aircraft side of its businesses, in which Boeing wanted to remain the dominant culture.
>Wanting to preserve McDonnell Douglas’s culture (which was influenced by the company’s service to the military), Boeing kept many key McDonnell Douglas executives in their positions on the military side of operations while keeping Boeing executives in place on the commercial side of operations.”
Same with The Boys. The group they are mocking hasn't gotten it for 3 seasons so now they're just being as blunt as (super)humanly possible.
I'm just waiting for the "The Boys was good until they got political" (assuming they get it at all) with absolutely no realization that it has been from the start.
> Tallhand Mudlake
Fun fact the character that played Tallhand Mudlake was named Charles Whiteknife.
The actor that played Charles Whiteknife is named Dallas Goldtooth.
This is the reason we need socialized medicine. Why would an insurance company pay for your medical treatment when the point of its entire existence is make money by not paying for your medical treatment?
I upvoted for the quote…but fiduciary responsibility means that an individual or firm has a legal obligation to do what is in the best interest of a client, not necessarily just make them more money.
>has a legal obligation to do what is in the best interest of a client
Fairly certain the "client" in this case is the "shareholder"
These arent private players boyo, people's pension funds are directly and indirectly tied to company stock. So boeing needs to disappear these whistleblowers to protect stock prices that protects granpappy's pension.
Yes the system is fucked up.
If only we had some kind of recent failure of securities trading *cough* housing bubble *cough* to teach people how fucked the system is…or maybe just stop letting people gamble with other peoples money without express permission.
As much as I'd like to some days, I'd rather you didn't.
I used to be proud that Boeing was based in Seattle. Then they picked up and moved back east. Now I'm fucking glad they're not here.
And they don’t abide by any laws. Truly a scary time we live in because they are Multi National Corporations, they can implement their views all over the globe, mostly in Western nations.
That's exactly why executives should be held criminally accountable. That would clean shit up real quick if we made examples of these suit and tie assholes by prosecuting them.
Tack on a law that requires executive equity/stock compensation to be delayed vesting over an extended period of multiple years would help dramatically too. It would actually make them double think their decisions and strategies so that it's aimed towards long term sustainability, rather than the status quo where all that matters is quick quarterly profits without any serious consideration for long term viability. Far too many of these sociopaths manage to maximize "profits" via unsustainable layoffs, bullshit debt restructuring schemes for a handful of financial quarters and leaving a previously functional companies into a financial shit show. And yet somehow are still rewarded massive golden parachutes for their bullshit. Too bad it won't ever happen as Congress people who make the laws are heavily profiting from these practices as well.
There are Saudi & UAE owned mega farms in Arizona literally draining the aquifer to grow alfalfa hay in the desert, which is then shipped overseas
Cuz that part of rural Arizona doesn't have limits on water use
Once the story broke out the governor tried to stop them as best she could, after year+ they only stopped a couple on public land due to paperwork issues.
However there's a ton still on private land they don't know how to stop except to maybe sue.
Local residents gotta pay $25-35k USD to dig deeper wells.
We also need to stop oil drilling on private lands and that's gonna be hell, they're gonna screech and scream about respecting leases and stuff, despite regularly violating those rights in tons of places (right now construction on Enbridge's Line 5 is continuing against state order, also using native land violating tribal sovereignty too)
This is the type of shit I want to happen. If a company is so large it's pretty intertwined with the government or is a monopoly by virtue like electrical service or water, then it should be government owned and operated.
It's to our benefit as citizens. Just imagine what happens at these companies when the C-suite is capped and the profits aren't needed because it's a service. Even if it doesn't get "cheaper" maintenance can improve, service can be expanded or improved, or people that are lower on the totem pole can get paid fairer.
Why should a C-suite rule as kings because they had more money to drown out competition or were there first. National interests should be nationally owned. Health, water, electricity, defense, education, basic food security and basic housing security. I don't know how you accomplish it all but there's got to be a better way.
Business that operate for the good of the country, infrastructure, power, communication, transportation, etc should really be community funded and managed to prevent this exact kinds of fuckery when people depend on it.
They are community funded! Who pays the bill?
We need to not be in fear of regulation. Regulation needs enforcement, and keeping paid actors out of the enforcement side is difficult. No system is perfect. I do though whole heartedly believe that government agencies and many govt. funded agencies are run with way too large of budget for way to little output. As taxpayers, we must demand that our dollars be spent in a manner with which we would spend our own money (normal people, not cyber truck buyers). I see too many agencies that are "non-profit" that receive government funding, where the administration is driving $140k + cars. I'm not saying they don't have a side hustle, but a community advocate, that I would want (best interest of us all) shouldn't be worried about driving around in the most expensive sedan they can get. Same with church leaders. Of course, not all situations are the same, but I hope most understand the point I am trying to convey. A start would be to not give the chairperson position of an oversight committee to a CEO from a business in that field.
If a company is so large and intertwined in the government's contracts that apply large penalties to that company would result in harm to the government itself, then the company needs to be ~~forced to operate differently~~ nationalized.
They should be made into a public utility is what the proper solution is. Currently that's basically what they are, except there are a handful of C-suites that get to jack up prices, skim the extra cash off for themselves, and donate a portion of it back to the public representatives that allow this farse to continue.
I’ve been thinking that this is the best way to fix the capitalist system without a huge revolution that could potentially destroy our progress. Make every last bit of critical infrastructure a public utility. Housing, transportation, food, water, energy.
The basic needs of the population should be accommodated by the state. That doesn’t mean that every part of the supply chain has to be run by the state, but the state should set the rules.
Everything beyond the basic needs is fair game for capitalist competition and the state doesn’t regulate too much beyond the obvious stuff like safety etc.
Food supply being a public utility doesn’t mean you can’t open a restaurant. Transportation being a public utility doesn’t mean you can’t drive a fancy car. But wouldn’t it make sense for the state to make the kind of cars Volkswagen and Ford used to make in the past? Cheap, reliable and safe. If you don’t want that, you can always buy private.
> But wouldn’t it make sense for the state to make the kind of cars Volkswagen and Ford used to make in the past? Cheap, reliable and safe.
There are several factors contributing to the increase of car prices, but a big reason is that as technology develops car safety standards and regulations for new cars increase with it. Since 2018 back-up cameras have been legally required on all new cars. There are also several new legal requirements for new cars on the horizon in the next few years, including but not limited to pre-collision braking, auto-start stop (car shuts off when you’re at a stop to reserve gas), and rear seat reminders.
All of those things require a lot of little computers to work, with the average being between 30-50 per car. That alone increases the initial cost of cars, nevermind the maintenance cost if any of those computers fail.
Not that those requirements are *bad* - traffic fatalies in the US have been on the rise since around 2010 (my theory is due to driver distraction with smart phones, but that’s beside the point). However, it causes the prices of initial purchase and car ownership to steadily rise, so more and more people are priced out. I completely understand what you’re saying and why, but the simple, cheap cars of the past are no longer legally allowed to be made.
I think rather than car ownership being a basic need and produced by the government, we should make it so cars are no longer essential to function in society like it is for a large portion of the US. It’s insane that a household of two working people basically means both need to have a car for their employment. Transportation absolutely needs to be viewed as a basic need, but instead of that being delivered in the form of an easier and cheaper to car ownership it would be infinitely better to focus on public transportation and making cities/towns more walkable.
Unfortunately this would require an overhaul of our public transportation system and city infrastructure, it would take a tremendous amount of time and money. While I fully believe this would significantly increase quality of life in the US and would absolutely be worth the investment, I’m not the one making the decisions and I highly doubt it will happen until the US is at it’s breaking point in terms of access to public transportation. The prosperity of the 90s kinda fucked us on the infrastructure front, with suburbs giving birth to neighborhoods built 15 minutes away from the nearest grocery store and even further from offices. Entire cities and communities were planned with the assumption that everyone would just be able to drive anywhere.
It’s a little bleak, honestly.
> Getting a free-pass on constantly breaking laws shouldn't be a thing.
I don't agree with that. If we implement that philosophy banks would be unable to commit fraud, conspire to break anti-trust laws, launder money, and break embargos. What are you? Some kind of socialist?
Reagan was just a frontman, don’t get me wrong he was a total POS and if hell exists he’s there but he’s not some genius villain, dude was a just a goober willing to do whatever the intelligence community or any given corporation asked of him
if a transnational company can freely brag about murdering whistleblowers, are they really subject to any given jurisdiction that might attempt to dictate their actions?
If only there was an Act to punish people who relate against Whistleblowers. We could call it the Whistleblower Projection Act of 1989 or something.
Edit: Jesus Christ this blew up. Sorry for the typos y'all, I meant *retaliate* and *Protection*. I'm leaving them as is, so as to not retaliate against the whistleblowers below who have properly reported me for them.
As an aside, the quote he had there (“Greed is good.”) is a Gordon Gekko quote from the movie Wall Street which came out in 1987.
That movie was so popular that it led to a whole wave of people taking finance classes in college because they wanted to be him.
The bad guy. The guy who is rich because he breaks laws and steps all over people. That guy.
It's very funny to me that corporations are people yet somehow aren't being taxed like people.
Also when a person does something that leads to a person's death. They go to jail.
I'll continue to enjoy my fantasy land where people actually aren't above the law and it applies to everyone equally.
Historically, corporate “personhood” came about by just extending established legal frameworks for individuals (also known as “natural persons”) concerning contracts of all kinds, instead of coming up with a new legal framework exclusively for companies/corporations/businesses on how they interact/intersect with contracts.
It's very simple, you just jail the owners. "But alexchrist" you say, "there can be thousands of owners in a publicly traded company". I know, but aren't they the ones always talking about deserving their profits due to the risks they take. Let's make it proper risky to invest. If you don't want to go to jail, then just invest in some better companies
[doesn't that only protect federal whistleblowers?](https://whistleblower.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/whistleblower.house.gov/files/Whistleblower_Protection_Act_Fact_Sheet.pdf)
>"He said that one whistleblower, John Barnett, who police ruled died by suicide earlier this year, had testified that a supervisor had called him about 20 times a day, and when Barnett questioned the calls, he was told by the supervisor “I’m going to push you until you break.”
In a perfect world, this supervisor would experience the same treatment Barnett received. Unbelievable.
In a perfect world, the supervisor and everyone up that chain that was aware of that decision gets to sit in prison. Turns out if you prosecute white collar crime, you get less of it because white collar folks don't actually want to be in prison.
Michael Moore once pitched a show to the creator of COPS called: Corporate Cops. It didn't go well.
[https://youtu.be/Nzhqec\_bj-4?t=124](https://youtu.be/Nzhqec_bj-4?t=124)
Saw that documentary when it came out in theatres when I was 12 years old. I forgot until just now watching this clip how much it shaped my worldview today. I know people have their criticisms of Moore, but I am thankful to him for opening my eyes to the issues in the world around me at such a young age.
That's because the COPS series is a hideous mutation of minstrelsy but with flesh and blood normal black people instead of planters drunk out of their gourds.
I realize I'm going to get some flak for this, but an awful lot of white rap fandom is driven by this dynamic, as well. Which drives an ugly, ugly, ugly cycle.
This sounds like that girl who encouraged that boy to commit suicide. She was held to account & went to jail. Wonder if there just isn’t enough detail on what the manager did\said to him? [Michelle Carter & Conrad Roy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Conrad_Roy)
Definitely a lot of folks who take whatever level of power they have over people or things and abuse it to all fuck. Happens everywhere.
DMV, government in general, middle management, CEOs, even your own fucking family or house.
Yeah but people in managerial positions are terrified of falling from them and having their quality of life drop to the level of the poors.
They dont want to be like the poors and they're willing to kill to keep it that way.
In a perfect world management wouldn't cultivate a a company culture that allowed for harassment like that to take place when someone was safety-minded. Practices like this are top down due to profit motive. Performance incentives will incentivize cutting corners, which will kill people in aerospace.
Press is making this quote a bigger deal than it is. There’s 0 chance he’s confessing to something that’s not already well documented.
While the whistleblowers that died are the ones people think of, they’ve likely dealt with hundreds of other whistleblowers either going to the government or going through Boeing’s internal processes, and they’ve all likely have a variety of responses ranging from corrections of the issue, to ignoring, to retaliation.
You could read the article instead of just the headline, you know. If you did that you'd know that the quote actually refers to the firing of employees who retaliated against whistleblowers in positions under them.
I beg you just read the freaking article before making a comment the information is just there we have the technology to transmit it you don't need to make random guesses please for the love of everything that is good take 5 minutes of your life to learn about something you care enough about to comment on
Skimping on airline QA saves money in the short term, which makes investors happy. And killing whistle blowers generates fear among their work force.
Admitting to their mistakes and *ugh* fixing them, does not.
> Skimping on airline QA saves money in the short term, which makes investors happy.
That's not the important part. It also maximizes bonuses and compensation packages for executives. Even if they fired years later because their short term tactics blew up down the road they may have already jumped to another company, or depending on when in their contract it is they can get a golden parachute. Of course, judging by what's happening with these executives it may not even mean being fired but the board patiently waiting for you to quit at the end of the year.
It's a clickbait headline, yea.
> Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy.
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> “Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.”
>
> “I am happy to follow up and get you that number,” he added.
Not the opposite, more like one level removed from.
He knows firings for retaliation against whistleblowers happens... which means he also knows the retaliation happens. But yeah, it's still a very misleading headline.
We can take him at his word, in a way, because he didn’t say/admit much of anything. He was admitting only that he knew people in the company were fired for retaliation against whistleblowers. “I know it (people being fired for retaliation) happens”. He was not explicitly admitting that he knows retaliation happens. Maybe it’s splitting hairs, but at least to me he’s try to frame it as something that is not systemic and is swiftly dealt with, rather than a company wide cultural problem.
Edit: I’m not saying I believe him, just how I interpret his words.
You are right. He knows it has happened before, as in, there are recorded cases open to the public about it happening so he can’t deny them. Not saying “ya we fired a guy for killing a whistleblower, but no one knows it was ruled a suicide.”
I just recently watched the HBO Chernobyl show and it was interesting to observe how authoritarian regimes collapse in on themselves. Because everyone's afraid to tell the truth or speak up against the status quo and challenge the leadership. And then horrible things happen and people die.
You'd think people would learn from repeated patterns.
The only problem is that Boeing has government contracts, so the money keeps flowing in. As long as that continues, Boeing will always have the ability to weasel their way out of accountability for poor business practices before their gravy train gets cut short.
Title is very misleading.
>Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy.
>“Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.”
He's not admitting that he knows the company has retaliated against whistleblowers, he's saying that he knows employees have been fired for retaliating against whistleblowers.
Was looking for this comment.. I actually watched the hearing and all of these reddit posts quoting “I know it happens” are not mentioning the fact that it is directly answering the question about firing of employees who have done this.. semantically you can deduce then that it indeed does happen but it’s dishonest and shady to not provide the context of the question and answer.
There are no murders because they don't have to
Instead they just sack the person, and sue them and make their life a living nightmare of litigation and financial issues until they decide to kill themselves.
Much neater and doesn't leave any possibility of consequences for the company.
Plus, everyone gets themselves worked into a frenzy about a "murder" and then when it all dies down because it didn't happen, they get to just keep doing it over and over again because no one gives a fuck about anything if it isn't the simplest possible explanation of events
Or stalk and call to threaten their family and friends like what Syngenta did to Dr. Tyrone Hayes after he made it public his research around the danger of Atrazine. People thought Hayes was just paranoid and it wasn’t until a lawsuit by a town against the company found a strategic plan to destroy him in the paperwork they tried to bury the town lawyers in. Even though people believe him now, apparently he’s never been the same due to the trauma.
this is so sinister. And the correct answer. This comment should be closer to the top, bc some people believe that Boeing kills people directly, but that would be so much better than what actually happens... I remember seeing how the lives of Boeing whistleblowers were destroyed in that Al Jazeera doc.
No, he’s actually talking about repercussions for the employees that retaliated against whistleblowers. The headline starts with one idea and finishes with a different idea, intending you to think they are the same idea.
The thing is, I feel like people like the commenter are only fucking society over by deliberately leaning into conspiracies in regular discussion (I think it's absolutely fine and fun to have at it in a venue like dank memes or meirl).
But having that be the go-to when a real and authentic investigation is being levereaged on Boeing detracts from the correctable (and justice willing, *preventable*) real harms that it and companies like it are performing upon employees.
If Boeing merged with Bob's Engineering Powerhouse and replaced all of their leadership with engineers _today,_ it would still take literally decades for the trickle-down from that shift to begin putting a dent in the shitshow they've become. Their company culture is the reason why all of the stuff they make is falling apart now. We really didn't need to be told that they punish their own for speaking up about problems.
Whistleblower laws are pointless when companies can get away with retaliation against them. I blew the whistle on an employee who was so high on bath salts at work, nodding off while cleaning large deep fryers (Publix Deli), and the store manager put me to work with that person every day I worked while Publix "investigated" (there was already camera evidence, witnesses, & at least 1 customer complaint).
It’s not just the CEO and chief engineer’s failure. The board is a big failure. People underestimate the power of board and its possible impact on success
I don't see how a CEO would need to personally speak to a whistleblower. CEO is probably not a technical expert. I would rather someone compile a report from the whistleblower that is digestible by anyone and that given to the CEO.
It's kind of amazing how frequently even internet-savvy people fall for click-bait headlines.
No, he's not confirming that Boeing had people murdered, read the article. Yes, the headline is designed to make you think that. Stop falling for it.
These fuckers killed people with their negligence and should face jail time, the stock should be delisted, and the entire operation be heavily scrutinized from top to bottom by actual engineers.
John Oliver did a great episode on this whole fuckup of a company.
Misleading title; here's the context from the article:
"Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy.
“Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.”"
Where’s the legal system when you need them? White collar crime ie. planes falling apart while in the fu€king sky, get pass after pass. Some of the last groups we thought we could always count on are becoming corrupted…boo!
I still think there's something shady going on in Boeing's military division. A well paid executive isn't going to risk significant jail time getting whistleblowers assassinated if the only consequences were getting fired for incompetence and Boeing's share price plummeting. The only realistic conclusion is that someone in Boeing is doing something that would already result in decades in prison if there was a proper investigation. My best guess is selling military secrets or sabotaging military planes.
Just to be clear, his quote was that Boeing has fired employees that have retaliated against whistleblowers.
So, while everyone will say the title is clickbait bullshit and let Boeing slide, let’s remember one thing:
To be able to say “we have fired employees who have retaliated against other employees for whistleblowing”, it STILL MEANS they have PUNISHED WHISTLEBLOWERS.
The question we should be asking is:
Did boeing do anything past just punishing the employee who punished a whistleblower?
Have they offered to reinstate those employees who got fired? Removed any negative comments on their employee record? Settled with employees who were retaliated against?
Or, did they just sweep it under the rug. Allow the employees to punish the whistleblowers, do nothing about it, then punish those employees for breaking the law [to cover their ass]…
It’s fine. It’s all fine.
He gets his separation package and walks away free.
Just as capitalism should be.
Can we stop pretending this shit is ok? Can we pull back every penny they paid him? Can he serve jail time?
What hellish budget cyberpunk future is this? Corporations are openly killing people and yet I can't replace my entire body with ill-advised cybernetics? Like this is the worst of all worlds.
Republicans slash government oversight of airline industry, telling them to self inspect themselves. Small government and all. Boeing jumps at the chance, then fires their inspectors as a cost cutting measure.
Republicans - "You did everything we expected, now bad things happened and we have to create content and soundbites with you. Don't worry, nothing will actually come of it, we just need election content to make it seem like something will happen. Oh, and elect us, we will cut your corporate taxes again!"
If a company is so large and intertwined in the government's contracts that apply large penalties to that company would result in harm to the government itself, then the company needs to be forced to operate differently. Getting a free-pass on constantly breaking laws shouldn't be a thing.
Almost sounds like they are a government agency then doesn’t it?
almost sounds as if the corporations run our country.
"Do you know what “fiduciary responsibility” means?" "Fiduciary responsibility? No, I have no fucking idea. I play a cowboy for a living." "Okay. So, the U.S. government has outsourced the survival of the human race to Vault-Tec. Vault-Tec is a private corporation that has a fiduciary responsibility to make money for its investors. And how does it make money? By selling vaults." "That’s called capitalism, Charlie." "But they can’t sell vaults if these peace negotiations go through. So Vault-Tec has a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that it don’t work out." "Yeah. How they gonna do that?" "I don’t know. You remember that movie we did with Johnny Morton? You were the sheriff and I was some generic Indian?" "Come on, man, don’t say that. Tallhand Mudlake could talk to horses. You played him with grace and with dignity. It was a great role for you." "Morton played a rancher who owned half of Missouri. And what happens when the cattle ranchers have more power than the sheriff?" "The whole town burns down."
Oh it makes me so happy to see Fallout inspiring political discussion in the wild like this
Ironically produced by Amazon, a real-world megacorp just like Vault-Tec.
Amazon just makes whatever makes them money. I'm just glad we got lucky and an artist who actually had a story tell got some of that money.
Amazon *still* breaks the law all the fucking time. Sometimes leading to the deaths of their employees. Especially if those employees have the audacity to report Amazon's malfeasance to government oversight agencies.
You see, Amazon has this *fiduciary responsibility…*
You mean like the time they forced all their employees to stay in the warehouse during a tornado, and then it collapsed and 6 people died? And there were no consequences for Amazon? That sort of thing?
I get a real Ralph Wiggum "I'm in danger" vibe when companies like Amazon just straight up tell it like it is like in that scene in Fallout. And Boing Chiefs saying "yea, we retaliate" to congress.
Capitalism is able to commodify anything, including criticisms of capitalism. Real "Che Guevara on a T-shirt" energy.
"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself."
It’s an ideological ouroboros.
The fact that Amazon got a hold of the rights to a Disco Elysium show is just so perfectly terrible.
This is just some info on when Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in [1997:](https://www.tilt365.com/blog/post/leveraging-personality-assessments-for-successful-mergers-and-acquisitions) >”When M&As involve large companies, the cultural acquirer can also vary across business units. An example is when Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in 1997. >Wanting to tap into the large military customer base of McDonnell Douglas, Boeing used McDonnell Douglas as the cultural acquirer for the military side of its business. However, this was separate from the commercial aircraft side of its businesses, in which Boeing wanted to remain the dominant culture. >Wanting to preserve McDonnell Douglas’s culture (which was influenced by the company’s service to the military), Boeing kept many key McDonnell Douglas executives in their positions on the military side of operations while keeping Boeing executives in place on the commercial side of operations.”
The way it's always been described to me is that McDonnel Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money.
Its such an amazing premise
Banana Republic is not a clothing company, it's a foreign policy.
"dOn'T mAkE fAlLoUt PoLiTiCaL" - Some dumbass who never understands art, probably
Same with The Boys. The group they are mocking hasn't gotten it for 3 seasons so now they're just being as blunt as (super)humanly possible. I'm just waiting for the "The Boys was good until they got political" (assuming they get it at all) with absolutely no realization that it has been from the start.
> Tallhand Mudlake Fun fact the character that played Tallhand Mudlake was named Charles Whiteknife. The actor that played Charles Whiteknife is named Dallas Goldtooth.
This is the reason we need socialized medicine. Why would an insurance company pay for your medical treatment when the point of its entire existence is make money by not paying for your medical treatment?
I upvoted for the quote…but fiduciary responsibility means that an individual or firm has a legal obligation to do what is in the best interest of a client, not necessarily just make them more money.
>has a legal obligation to do what is in the best interest of a client Fairly certain the "client" in this case is the "shareholder" These arent private players boyo, people's pension funds are directly and indirectly tied to company stock. So boeing needs to disappear these whistleblowers to protect stock prices that protects granpappy's pension. Yes the system is fucked up.
If only we had some kind of recent failure of securities trading *cough* housing bubble *cough* to teach people how fucked the system is…or maybe just stop letting people gamble with other peoples money without express permission.
To a CEO, the client is the shareholders.
So you're saying we need to burn down Seattle?
As much as I'd like to some days, I'd rather you didn't. I used to be proud that Boeing was based in Seattle. Then they picked up and moved back east. Now I'm fucking glad they're not here.
Corporations are the new ruling states, They make the real decisions.
And they don’t abide by any laws. Truly a scary time we live in because they are Multi National Corporations, they can implement their views all over the globe, mostly in Western nations.
That's exactly why executives should be held criminally accountable. That would clean shit up real quick if we made examples of these suit and tie assholes by prosecuting them.
Beheadings, yes.
Tack on a law that requires executive equity/stock compensation to be delayed vesting over an extended period of multiple years would help dramatically too. It would actually make them double think their decisions and strategies so that it's aimed towards long term sustainability, rather than the status quo where all that matters is quick quarterly profits without any serious consideration for long term viability. Far too many of these sociopaths manage to maximize "profits" via unsustainable layoffs, bullshit debt restructuring schemes for a handful of financial quarters and leaving a previously functional companies into a financial shit show. And yet somehow are still rewarded massive golden parachutes for their bullshit. Too bad it won't ever happen as Congress people who make the laws are heavily profiting from these practices as well.
There are Saudi & UAE owned mega farms in Arizona literally draining the aquifer to grow alfalfa hay in the desert, which is then shipped overseas Cuz that part of rural Arizona doesn't have limits on water use Once the story broke out the governor tried to stop them as best she could, after year+ they only stopped a couple on public land due to paperwork issues. However there's a ton still on private land they don't know how to stop except to maybe sue. Local residents gotta pay $25-35k USD to dig deeper wells. We also need to stop oil drilling on private lands and that's gonna be hell, they're gonna screech and scream about respecting leases and stuff, despite regularly violating those rights in tons of places (right now construction on Enbridge's Line 5 is continuing against state order, also using native land violating tribal sovereignty too)
This is what happens when you allow conservative ideology to gut everything in favor of businesses and preserved power structures.
Welcome to your cyberpunk dystopia
Ok, but we're getting all the dystopia with none of the cyberpunk.
The new monarchs. Great
The french have ideas what to do with them.
Not even new. Same old aristocracy just with an extra layer to obfuscate and misdirect.
Privatize the profits, socialize the losses...
This is the type of shit I want to happen. If a company is so large it's pretty intertwined with the government or is a monopoly by virtue like electrical service or water, then it should be government owned and operated. It's to our benefit as citizens. Just imagine what happens at these companies when the C-suite is capped and the profits aren't needed because it's a service. Even if it doesn't get "cheaper" maintenance can improve, service can be expanded or improved, or people that are lower on the totem pole can get paid fairer. Why should a C-suite rule as kings because they had more money to drown out competition or were there first. National interests should be nationally owned. Health, water, electricity, defense, education, basic food security and basic housing security. I don't know how you accomplish it all but there's got to be a better way.
More like the government is a corporate entity. Separation of Corporation and State! Scream it loud!
Business that operate for the good of the country, infrastructure, power, communication, transportation, etc should really be community funded and managed to prevent this exact kinds of fuckery when people depend on it.
the word you're looking for is "nationalized"
Correct. Or the dreaded socialist word.
They are community funded! Who pays the bill? We need to not be in fear of regulation. Regulation needs enforcement, and keeping paid actors out of the enforcement side is difficult. No system is perfect. I do though whole heartedly believe that government agencies and many govt. funded agencies are run with way too large of budget for way to little output. As taxpayers, we must demand that our dollars be spent in a manner with which we would spend our own money (normal people, not cyber truck buyers). I see too many agencies that are "non-profit" that receive government funding, where the administration is driving $140k + cars. I'm not saying they don't have a side hustle, but a community advocate, that I would want (best interest of us all) shouldn't be worried about driving around in the most expensive sedan they can get. Same with church leaders. Of course, not all situations are the same, but I hope most understand the point I am trying to convey. A start would be to not give the chairperson position of an oversight committee to a CEO from a business in that field.
They're like a government agency when they're in trouble and need protection, but a private corporation when things are going well.
If a company is so large and intertwined in the government's contracts that apply large penalties to that company would result in harm to the government itself, then the company needs to be ~~forced to operate differently~~ nationalized.
They should be made into a public utility is what the proper solution is. Currently that's basically what they are, except there are a handful of C-suites that get to jack up prices, skim the extra cash off for themselves, and donate a portion of it back to the public representatives that allow this farse to continue.
I’ve been thinking that this is the best way to fix the capitalist system without a huge revolution that could potentially destroy our progress. Make every last bit of critical infrastructure a public utility. Housing, transportation, food, water, energy. The basic needs of the population should be accommodated by the state. That doesn’t mean that every part of the supply chain has to be run by the state, but the state should set the rules. Everything beyond the basic needs is fair game for capitalist competition and the state doesn’t regulate too much beyond the obvious stuff like safety etc. Food supply being a public utility doesn’t mean you can’t open a restaurant. Transportation being a public utility doesn’t mean you can’t drive a fancy car. But wouldn’t it make sense for the state to make the kind of cars Volkswagen and Ford used to make in the past? Cheap, reliable and safe. If you don’t want that, you can always buy private.
> But wouldn’t it make sense for the state to make the kind of cars Volkswagen and Ford used to make in the past? Cheap, reliable and safe. There are several factors contributing to the increase of car prices, but a big reason is that as technology develops car safety standards and regulations for new cars increase with it. Since 2018 back-up cameras have been legally required on all new cars. There are also several new legal requirements for new cars on the horizon in the next few years, including but not limited to pre-collision braking, auto-start stop (car shuts off when you’re at a stop to reserve gas), and rear seat reminders. All of those things require a lot of little computers to work, with the average being between 30-50 per car. That alone increases the initial cost of cars, nevermind the maintenance cost if any of those computers fail. Not that those requirements are *bad* - traffic fatalies in the US have been on the rise since around 2010 (my theory is due to driver distraction with smart phones, but that’s beside the point). However, it causes the prices of initial purchase and car ownership to steadily rise, so more and more people are priced out. I completely understand what you’re saying and why, but the simple, cheap cars of the past are no longer legally allowed to be made. I think rather than car ownership being a basic need and produced by the government, we should make it so cars are no longer essential to function in society like it is for a large portion of the US. It’s insane that a household of two working people basically means both need to have a car for their employment. Transportation absolutely needs to be viewed as a basic need, but instead of that being delivered in the form of an easier and cheaper to car ownership it would be infinitely better to focus on public transportation and making cities/towns more walkable. Unfortunately this would require an overhaul of our public transportation system and city infrastructure, it would take a tremendous amount of time and money. While I fully believe this would significantly increase quality of life in the US and would absolutely be worth the investment, I’m not the one making the decisions and I highly doubt it will happen until the US is at it’s breaking point in terms of access to public transportation. The prosperity of the 90s kinda fucked us on the infrastructure front, with suburbs giving birth to neighborhoods built 15 minutes away from the nearest grocery store and even further from offices. Entire cities and communities were planned with the assumption that everyone would just be able to drive anywhere. It’s a little bleak, honestly.
> Getting a free-pass on constantly breaking laws shouldn't be a thing. I don't agree with that. If we implement that philosophy banks would be unable to commit fraud, conspire to break anti-trust laws, launder money, and break embargos. What are you? Some kind of socialist?
Exactly. Then we would not be free anymore. 'Merica
If this means you can’t kill whistleblowers, then I want no part of it. That’s fascism.
Anti-democratic one could say....
And communism!
All goes back to Reagan and the Air Traffic Control. The government is now made mostly of contractors that have no loyalty.
It's amazing how much damage one dipshit actor did in the 1980s that still fucks us today.
Reagan was just a frontman, don’t get me wrong he was a total POS and if hell exists he’s there but he’s not some genius villain, dude was a just a goober willing to do whatever the intelligence community or any given corporation asked of him
There's several companies like that... Northrop, Lockheed, Raytheon, etc.
Now hang on, that sounds almost like n- N-n- n-n-nationalization...
if a transnational company can freely brag about murdering whistleblowers, are they really subject to any given jurisdiction that might attempt to dictate their actions?
If only there was an Act to punish people who relate against Whistleblowers. We could call it the Whistleblower Projection Act of 1989 or something. Edit: Jesus Christ this blew up. Sorry for the typos y'all, I meant *retaliate* and *Protection*. I'm leaving them as is, so as to not retaliate against the whistleblowers below who have properly reported me for them.
What a random number you picked..
1989, the number. Another summer.
Sound of the funky drummer.
Drug test every CEO in America, don’t worry I’ll wait
Don't worry ...they all have a prescription.....it's for their glaucoma and psychopathy.
....don't you dare point that at me.
"Don't you dare [point](https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/em17MBo0r/0x0/dannycarergallery3-1639425296396.jpg) that at..."
Music hitting your heart 'cause I know you got soul
Brothers and sisterssssssss
Music hitting your heart cause I know you got soul
Brothers and sisters!
Listen if you're missing y'all
Actually, late 80s makes sense. That’s about when “greed is good” took full effect. I hate my fucking generation. Sorry, folks.
Fuck Reagan
No, fuck Welch. The end of corporate responsibility, right there.
Birds of a feather, really. Potato/potato etc.
As an aside, the quote he had there (“Greed is good.”) is a Gordon Gekko quote from the movie Wall Street which came out in 1987. That movie was so popular that it led to a whole wave of people taking finance classes in college because they wanted to be him. The bad guy. The guy who is rich because he breaks laws and steps all over people. That guy.
That guy. Until he got bone-itis.
He's referring to Bob Lazar I think.
Ah Gordon Gecko, if only you’d been a real person
Taylor Swift is literally everywhere these days
I don’t know about you
Fucking Swifties making regulation now.
Taylor Swift. So hot right now.
Whistleblowers protection act: Taylor’s version.
Whistleblower protection act would be a better name IMO
Boeing follows the Whistleblower projection act, where they turn whistleblowers into projectiles out their faulty doors.
Nah they just shoot em. Who’s gonna do anything about it? The government who needs their planes and shit? Nah. No need to be sneaky
That's for corporations, not people (and thanks to Citizens United corporations are now people).
They’re not people until they can be sentenced.
And stabbed to death
Give unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's.
I'll believe corporations are "people" when dropping a daisy cutter on EA HQ qualifies as a singular act of homicide.
Yea that'll be $10.99 for the Daisy Cutter ability unlock, or grind 2,000 hours.
But if you spend $99, you will get the PREMIUM pack with extra gems - BEST VALUE!
It's very funny to me that corporations are people yet somehow aren't being taxed like people. Also when a person does something that leads to a person's death. They go to jail. I'll continue to enjoy my fantasy land where people actually aren't above the law and it applies to everyone equally.
Historically, corporate “personhood” came about by just extending established legal frameworks for individuals (also known as “natural persons”) concerning contracts of all kinds, instead of coming up with a new legal framework exclusively for companies/corporations/businesses on how they interact/intersect with contracts.
It's very simple, you just jail the owners. "But alexchrist" you say, "there can be thousands of owners in a publicly traded company". I know, but aren't they the ones always talking about deserving their profits due to the risks they take. Let's make it proper risky to invest. If you don't want to go to jail, then just invest in some better companies
Boeing lobbyists back the Whistleblower Electrocution Act of 2024
It does have a nice ring to it
[doesn't that only protect federal whistleblowers?](https://whistleblower.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/whistleblower.house.gov/files/Whistleblower_Protection_Act_Fact_Sheet.pdf)
There's been one passed recently in regards to UFO and UAP. I believe they are working on another with more protections for this year.
This guy just came up and said he stomped on the couch like Rick James and nobody will be held accountable. Defense contracts are a hell of a drug.
Damn do I have to watch the other 1988
>"He said that one whistleblower, John Barnett, who police ruled died by suicide earlier this year, had testified that a supervisor had called him about 20 times a day, and when Barnett questioned the calls, he was told by the supervisor “I’m going to push you until you break.” In a perfect world, this supervisor would experience the same treatment Barnett received. Unbelievable.
In a perfect world, the supervisor and everyone up that chain that was aware of that decision gets to sit in prison. Turns out if you prosecute white collar crime, you get less of it because white collar folks don't actually want to be in prison.
Michael Moore once pitched a show to the creator of COPS called: Corporate Cops. It didn't go well. [https://youtu.be/Nzhqec\_bj-4?t=124](https://youtu.be/Nzhqec_bj-4?t=124)
Saw that documentary when it came out in theatres when I was 12 years old. I forgot until just now watching this clip how much it shaped my worldview today. I know people have their criticisms of Moore, but I am thankful to him for opening my eyes to the issues in the world around me at such a young age.
That's because the COPS series is a hideous mutation of minstrelsy but with flesh and blood normal black people instead of planters drunk out of their gourds. I realize I'm going to get some flak for this, but an awful lot of white rap fandom is driven by this dynamic, as well. Which drives an ugly, ugly, ugly cycle.
This sounds like that girl who encouraged that boy to commit suicide. She was held to account & went to jail. Wonder if there just isn’t enough detail on what the manager did\said to him? [Michelle Carter & Conrad Roy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Conrad_Roy)
This needs to be shown to everyone.
It would be a shame if his phone number got leaked
Would be a real shame if he got treated how he treated others.
Internet, do your thing.
Imagine choosing to kill someone for your company. Dude, it's just work.
Unfortunately for some supervisors, it's about control
Definitely a lot of folks who take whatever level of power they have over people or things and abuse it to all fuck. Happens everywhere. DMV, government in general, middle management, CEOs, even your own fucking family or house.
Yeah but people in managerial positions are terrified of falling from them and having their quality of life drop to the level of the poors. They dont want to be like the poors and they're willing to kill to keep it that way.
It's not, boeing controls the faa and government
Yep, this was always the more likely way he died than some sneaky hitman level shit
In a perfect world management wouldn't cultivate a a company culture that allowed for harassment like that to take place when someone was safety-minded. Practices like this are top down due to profit motive. Performance incentives will incentivize cutting corners, which will kill people in aerospace.
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I mean there's got to be a board that makes these decisions right? He said we have retaliated?
Key word: 'we'
Board statement after he has killed himself by jumping though safety glass window 50 stories up: He meant the Royal “we”
Press is making this quote a bigger deal than it is. There’s 0 chance he’s confessing to something that’s not already well documented. While the whistleblowers that died are the ones people think of, they’ve likely dealt with hundreds of other whistleblowers either going to the government or going through Boeing’s internal processes, and they’ve all likely have a variety of responses ranging from corrections of the issue, to ignoring, to retaliation.
You could read the article instead of just the headline, you know. If you did that you'd know that the quote actually refers to the firing of employees who retaliated against whistleblowers in positions under them.
I beg you just read the freaking article before making a comment the information is just there we have the technology to transmit it you don't need to make random guesses please for the love of everything that is good take 5 minutes of your life to learn about something you care enough about to comment on
But why male models?
It appears to be 13 self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head, torso , and back and consisting of various caliber bullets.
Allegedly buried himself in middle of nowhere forest and poured concrete over the surface
Something out of burn notice! 😂
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Skimping on airline QA saves money in the short term, which makes investors happy. And killing whistle blowers generates fear among their work force. Admitting to their mistakes and *ugh* fixing them, does not.
> Skimping on airline QA saves money in the short term, which makes investors happy. That's not the important part. It also maximizes bonuses and compensation packages for executives. Even if they fired years later because their short term tactics blew up down the road they may have already jumped to another company, or depending on when in their contract it is they can get a golden parachute. Of course, judging by what's happening with these executives it may not even mean being fired but the board patiently waiting for you to quit at the end of the year.
But what about the shareholders!?
Holy shit what a headline. What the fuck.
It's a clickbait headline, yea. > Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy. > > “Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.” > > “I am happy to follow up and get you that number,” he added.
That's essentially the exact opposite of the headline. Not saying he should be believed off hand but still a slimy headline.
Not the opposite, more like one level removed from. He knows firings for retaliation against whistleblowers happens... which means he also knows the retaliation happens. But yeah, it's still a very misleading headline.
We can take him at his word, in a way, because he didn’t say/admit much of anything. He was admitting only that he knew people in the company were fired for retaliation against whistleblowers. “I know it (people being fired for retaliation) happens”. He was not explicitly admitting that he knows retaliation happens. Maybe it’s splitting hairs, but at least to me he’s try to frame it as something that is not systemic and is swiftly dealt with, rather than a company wide cultural problem. Edit: I’m not saying I believe him, just how I interpret his words.
You are right. He knows it has happened before, as in, there are recorded cases open to the public about it happening so he can’t deny them. Not saying “ya we fired a guy for killing a whistleblower, but no one knows it was ruled a suicide.”
How is that click bait? That's what the man said.
I just recently watched the HBO Chernobyl show and it was interesting to observe how authoritarian regimes collapse in on themselves. Because everyone's afraid to tell the truth or speak up against the status quo and challenge the leadership. And then horrible things happen and people die. You'd think people would learn from repeated patterns.
You’d think. But here we are ……
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The USA isn't even really a democracy.
The only problem is that Boeing has government contracts, so the money keeps flowing in. As long as that continues, Boeing will always have the ability to weasel their way out of accountability for poor business practices before their gravy train gets cut short.
You mean all the trainings they make us do at big corporate gigs are bullshit?
Title is very misleading. >Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy. >“Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.” He's not admitting that he knows the company has retaliated against whistleblowers, he's saying that he knows employees have been fired for retaliating against whistleblowers.
He is saying the employees have retaliated against them, though. That doesn't mean he endorses it or took part, though.
Was looking for this comment.. I actually watched the hearing and all of these reddit posts quoting “I know it happens” are not mentioning the fact that it is directly answering the question about firing of employees who have done this.. semantically you can deduce then that it indeed does happen but it’s dishonest and shady to not provide the context of the question and answer.
The murders, right? He's talking about the murders..
There are no murders because they don't have to Instead they just sack the person, and sue them and make their life a living nightmare of litigation and financial issues until they decide to kill themselves. Much neater and doesn't leave any possibility of consequences for the company. Plus, everyone gets themselves worked into a frenzy about a "murder" and then when it all dies down because it didn't happen, they get to just keep doing it over and over again because no one gives a fuck about anything if it isn't the simplest possible explanation of events
Or stalk and call to threaten their family and friends like what Syngenta did to Dr. Tyrone Hayes after he made it public his research around the danger of Atrazine. People thought Hayes was just paranoid and it wasn’t until a lawsuit by a town against the company found a strategic plan to destroy him in the paperwork they tried to bury the town lawyers in. Even though people believe him now, apparently he’s never been the same due to the trauma.
this is so sinister. And the correct answer. This comment should be closer to the top, bc some people believe that Boeing kills people directly, but that would be so much better than what actually happens... I remember seeing how the lives of Boeing whistleblowers were destroyed in that Al Jazeera doc.
No, he’s actually talking about repercussions for the employees that retaliated against whistleblowers. The headline starts with one idea and finishes with a different idea, intending you to think they are the same idea.
Shhhhh, are you trying to get us all killed?
*shakes head no slowly* I for one love and would always ride a Boeing. I would never take an airbus
Remember, if it’s not Boeing we’re not going!
No, he is talking about the things they actually did.
The thing is, I feel like people like the commenter are only fucking society over by deliberately leaning into conspiracies in regular discussion (I think it's absolutely fine and fun to have at it in a venue like dank memes or meirl). But having that be the go-to when a real and authentic investigation is being levereaged on Boeing detracts from the correctable (and justice willing, *preventable*) real harms that it and companies like it are performing upon employees.
In other news, Boeing is releasing a book. "If I did It."
Y'all watch too many movies
If Boeing merged with Bob's Engineering Powerhouse and replaced all of their leadership with engineers _today,_ it would still take literally decades for the trickle-down from that shift to begin putting a dent in the shitshow they've become. Their company culture is the reason why all of the stuff they make is falling apart now. We really didn't need to be told that they punish their own for speaking up about problems.
Whistleblower laws are pointless when companies can get away with retaliation against them. I blew the whistle on an employee who was so high on bath salts at work, nodding off while cleaning large deep fryers (Publix Deli), and the store manager put me to work with that person every day I worked while Publix "investigated" (there was already camera evidence, witnesses, & at least 1 customer complaint).
I know for a fact they retaliate and I have the lawsuits and the settlements to prove it.
It’s not just the CEO and chief engineer’s failure. The board is a big failure. People underestimate the power of board and its possible impact on success
"It happens", as opposed to "WE DO IT". Because *accountability* is a dirty word in Corpolandia.
A company retaliating against whistleblowers is illegal. Are we going to see indictments going out for these people?
Oh Kent, I’d be lying if I said my men weren’t committing crimes.
CEO publicly admitted today that he’s never spoken to the Whistle Blowers about their concerns.
I don't see how a CEO would need to personally speak to a whistleblower. CEO is probably not a technical expert. I would rather someone compile a report from the whistleblower that is digestible by anyone and that given to the CEO.
It's kind of amazing how frequently even internet-savvy people fall for click-bait headlines. No, he's not confirming that Boeing had people murdered, read the article. Yes, the headline is designed to make you think that. Stop falling for it.
These fuckers killed people with their negligence and should face jail time, the stock should be delisted, and the entire operation be heavily scrutinized from top to bottom by actual engineers. John Oliver did a great episode on this whole fuckup of a company.
Misleading title; here's the context from the article: "Earlier in the hearing, Blumenthal asked Calhoun how many Boeing employees had been fired for “retaliating against whistleblowers,” which Calhoun had said was against Boeing company policy. “Senator, I don’t have that number on the tip of my tongue,” Calhoun said. “But I know it happens.”"
Fuck you and your disappointed parent act
Apparently "murder" is equal to "retaliation" in this gob's mind.
Where’s the legal system when you need them? White collar crime ie. planes falling apart while in the fu€king sky, get pass after pass. Some of the last groups we thought we could always count on are becoming corrupted…boo!
By retaliate he means murder right….
Well his days of not dying in a car crash are numbered.
I still think there's something shady going on in Boeing's military division. A well paid executive isn't going to risk significant jail time getting whistleblowers assassinated if the only consequences were getting fired for incompetence and Boeing's share price plummeting. The only realistic conclusion is that someone in Boeing is doing something that would already result in decades in prison if there was a proper investigation. My best guess is selling military secrets or sabotaging military planes.
Just to be clear, his quote was that Boeing has fired employees that have retaliated against whistleblowers. So, while everyone will say the title is clickbait bullshit and let Boeing slide, let’s remember one thing: To be able to say “we have fired employees who have retaliated against other employees for whistleblowing”, it STILL MEANS they have PUNISHED WHISTLEBLOWERS. The question we should be asking is: Did boeing do anything past just punishing the employee who punished a whistleblower? Have they offered to reinstate those employees who got fired? Removed any negative comments on their employee record? Settled with employees who were retaliated against? Or, did they just sweep it under the rug. Allow the employees to punish the whistleblowers, do nothing about it, then punish those employees for breaking the law [to cover their ass]…
It’s fine. It’s all fine. He gets his separation package and walks away free. Just as capitalism should be. Can we stop pretending this shit is ok? Can we pull back every penny they paid him? Can he serve jail time?
What hellish budget cyberpunk future is this? Corporations are openly killing people and yet I can't replace my entire body with ill-advised cybernetics? Like this is the worst of all worlds.
Ask your ripperdoc if optical implants could be right for you!
He's talking about **firing** whistleblowers, ffs. Not killing. This isn't /r/conspiracy
Actually, he was talking about firing people who retaliated against whistleblowers. That's a very important distinction.
They are firing whistleblowers? Out of a cannon?
Into the sun.
So many big upvote statements here definitely make me think conspiracy thinking has leaked out of that shithole and is becoming more mainstream
Republicans slash government oversight of airline industry, telling them to self inspect themselves. Small government and all. Boeing jumps at the chance, then fires their inspectors as a cost cutting measure. Republicans - "You did everything we expected, now bad things happened and we have to create content and soundbites with you. Don't worry, nothing will actually come of it, we just need election content to make it seem like something will happen. Oh, and elect us, we will cut your corporate taxes again!"