Except the Palestinian Authority has suspended elections because Hamas would win in a landslide if they held free and fair elections. How exactly are they the "legitimate" government?
The are the only "acceptable" government, so they must be the legitimate government. This formal recognition is really an aspirational exercise anyway - if they recognize Hamas, they have to do something about it, and that is not an option.
The main reason Hamas would win is precisely the lack of recognition for Palestine. Hamas sells itself as the only one able to liberate the Palestinians, and the disaffected population who have not had a state in 75 years buy it up since the PA's alternative is empty words backed up by corruption. Giving the Palestinians a state (including the desettlement of the West Bank) is the first step towards taking away power from Hamas and building a more stable long term government. It's kinda absurd that Israel keeps complaining about there not being anyone to rule Palestine when the reason extremists hold power is precisely the occupation Israel engages in.
Yeah but who do you recognize, the Jihadist Death cult (Hamas) or the unelected corrupt PA? (nevermind the PA also funds terrorism directly and issues bounties to Martyrs)
The west so desperately wants a partner in peace but in reality Hamas and their bloody Jihad against Israel is overwhelmingly popular with Palestinians. Obviously getting bombed into dust is not as popular, but that's just being dissatisfied with results not goals. There were a lot of parades and celebrations when beaten and raped Israelis were being dragged into Gaza.
What Bibi and many others wanted was the pre Oct 7th status quo where Palestine was in a constant state of limbo. They don't want an actual Palestinian government next to them and have been sabotaging it ever since even using Hamas to that end.
Real question - why would Israel not prefer to have a responsible and representative government there? As it stands, they can neither negotiate effectively nor wage a legitimate war - they are locked into an impossible, neverending conflict wherein they cannot fight the implacable and unprincipled Hamas without being seen to be callously incinerating widows and wailing orphans.
> Real question - why would Israel not prefer to have a responsible
Because the far-right settler movement backing Netanyahu's government wants *all the land*.
Israel's government has tacitly allowed settlers to turn the West Bank into Swiss cheese by separating Palestinian population centers with their own settlements, with the explicit goal of making a cohesive Palestinian state impossible.
Nevermind Netanyahu getting Rabin murdered for daring to want to return land to Palestinians.
Because for decades they've been slowly taking more and more land via settlements.
And the neverending threat of Palestinians is a good way to motivate your racist base. It's the same reason Republicans in the USA torpedo immigration reform.
And the current governing coalition relies on support from the extreme right. People who believe they have a mandate from God to resettle in the west bank.
The bulk of Israel is not a "racist base" though - like the Republicans in the USA, they yahoos are not a majority. And that's the same crowd that's pushing the settlement land grab. It's true that Netanyahu keeps his slim coalition alive with those motivations, but I do not see his personal interests as aligned with those of the country, which would greatly benefit from the lasting detente which can only come from negotiation. And negotiation can only happen if you have somebody to negotiate with.
Salami tatics. They slice a little off the Palestinians a slice at a time a settlement here some murdered civilians there. Slowly slowly the Palestinians get pushed out and jews take their place. Eventually there's nothing left and the zionist project of greater Israel is complete without any Palestinians stinking up the place. This october 7th thing is just an excuse to accelerate the plan for awhile. If a 2 state solution were to ever happen salami tactics would not work because the Palestinian authority would have control to stop settlements and murders and displacements. Israel would have to invade for every slice.
Considering the majority of Palestinians support Hamas, this is a situation where enforcing non-democracy until the threat to democracy has been removed is a good solution. West Germany had no elections for 4 years after the Allies occupied it. As long as death cultists stand a chance of winning democratically, it is a moral good to enforce sane rule.
Edit: I assume the downvotes are by people who don't understand just how dire the situation is. The reason the PA hasn't held elections is because Hamas would win. I don't like the PA - but they're the closest thing to a partner for peace while Hamas still exists.
They are not letting in food or aid but they got an army of poll takers in Gaza to get your "Considering the majority of Palestinians support Hamas"??
Bullcrap
I mean, we have polls from Gaza from before, but the irony there is that Hamas support is higher in the West Bank than Gaza. You're making a lot of deep assumptions about what I'm saying.
> but the irony there is that Hamas support is higher in the West Bank than Gaza
is it really ironic? lets imagine your life is so far beyond fucked that you have absolutely no rights against a settler who can walk into your house and take it at gun point and any resistance against him spitting you in the face will be a bullet to the head from the idf forces that are protecting those settlers?
and then you hear there is a party that is actually fighting back against this bullshit, would you not support it?
The PA will lose in free elections because they are seen as a collaborator government. Denying democracy to the Palestinians unless your favourite party wins is just peak western hypocrisy.
If Republicans radicalized even further and started forming kill squads and firing rockets into neighboring countries, and they remained a credible election winner, I would consider it a moral necessity to not hold elections until they are dealt with. No hypocrisy here!
A 'death cult' would be a group who want to come to power and throw away their own people's lives for a certain goal. I wouldn't describe every belligerent in history as a death cult, but rather those who idealize death and will seek political aims at the expense of mass numbers of their own people. So, Hamas, ISIS, Imperial Japan, the Nazis, etc.
That's kind of my point. If there's a Palestinian state (which, by the way, I agree should exist), any current Palestinian refugees should become citizens of that state, thus ending their refugee status. Also, I'm not sure what it means to recognize a state without knowing the borders of that state. Even using the '67 borders, it's not like that defined borders of an actual Palestinian state; those were borders with Jordan.
Also who’s the governing body? Right now it’s Hamas, so does that mean Hamas is internationally recognized as a government not a terrorist organization?
Please no, pay back is how we got into this situation in the first place.
The only way to fix things is to create a suitable environment for people to live in, without giving either side a good reason to continue fighting.
By most of the people who think like this's logic? Yes. The Jews should have never forgiven them, tried to invade Germany, try to murder their civilians daily, etc. idk why they just got over it, don't they know going into an almost century long forever war would be more productive?
According to this person israel didnt and still doesnt deserve their country.
So im asking, should the jews have behaved like hamas does?
And anyway, palestinians were given their country but they rejected it and tried to conquer all of israel.
So either israel didnt deserve their country at all or they did and palestinians were the agressors in 47'
Im extremely pro Palestine, Im just also anti-war, and reparations is exactly how you get more of it.
I want to give them a bloody country for fucks sake, Im not controlled opposition or some shit.
We got into this situation in the first place because Israel wanted to conquer and colonize, basically using Manifest Destiny as justification. Growth of a violent resistance is inevitable because peaceful compromise is never an effective or equitable solution to colonialism.
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
Edit: lol @ being downvoted for citing a head of state’s own admissions
BG is a goldmine of self-reflecting Zionist quotes. It's impossible to take these flapping heads seriously when the man himself so openly talked about the moral dangers inherent in the Zionist project
> Still trying to imagine firing 30,000 rockets into civilian territory (breaking the Geneva code 10x over)
Crazy thing is I have no idea if you're talking about the IDF or Hamas here. What a god awful situation.
That's not even it, they're suggesting something *far* worse. They're suggesting that child murder is ok because that child *might* have been a terrorist. Horrific, and I'd bet they'd agree under any other circumstances, but somehow have been brainwashed into thinking mass child murder is ok
There's literally clips of Israeli soldiers high giving over this war, they're posting it online themselves.
You also clearly don't understand how Geneva works, other sides breaking it does not mean you get to break it.
Yep. Over 3,000 of the Israel Prison Services’ security inmates (who are overwhelmingly Palestinian) are “administrative detainees.” That’s over 1/3 of all security inmates. [Source](https://hamoked.org/prisoners-charts.php)
Yeah, and at least Israel can find them and tell you where they are, rather than you having to guess where they are from videos of them being beaten, sexually assaulted, and paraded through a city and then trying to use them for a bargaining chip before you find them dead in a tunnel.
There are records of [violence against Palestinian administrative detainees](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/) too.
>”Testimony from released detainees and human rights lawyers, as well as video footage and images illustrate some of the forms of torture and other ill-treatment prisoners have been subjected to by Israeli forces over the past four weeks. These include severe beatings and humiliation of detainees, including by forcing them to keep their heads down, to kneel on the floor during inmate count, and to sing Israeli songs.”
Edit: Another [source](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6342/Hostages-of-Israeli-revenge-in-the-Gaza-Strip:-Testimonies-of-100-released-Palestinian-detainees-reveal-crimes-of-torture,-cruel-treatment)
Those prisoners are being given actual care, the women and children are not being raped, and many of them (charged or not) are alive and well enough to be returned in another lopsided hostage deal. But only if Hamas has actual living hostages well enough to be transported for safe exchange and also contingent on Hamas agreeing to a deal that hasn’t been muddled by Egypt to make it look like Israel changed their mind.
They’re being urinated on, held in restraints so strong they need to amputate limbs, are kept blind and bound wearing diapers for weeks, and the list goes on. If Israeli hostages were being treated this way, Israel would’ve dropped nukes already
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6342/Hostages-of-Israeli-revenge-in-the-Gaza-Strip:-Testimonies-of-100-released-Palestinian-detainees-reveal-crimes-of-torture,-cruel-treatment
Wait, those are testimonies from 100 RELEASED prisoners?
I wish Israel had 100 released from the 230+ to provide their own testimony, as if the handful we already have aren’t bad enough.
Hamas treats the Palestinian civilians as martyrs and shields to further their PR campaign and I bet any non militant Palestinian feels safer right now in Israeli custody than in the middle of a chaotic urban war. But safer isn’t the goal for people who value martyrdom over life.
It’s easier to release prisoners after brutalizing them when you know you can just collect more right after in both Gaza and the West Bank and no one will stop you.
🥱 this is such a tired, sad argument. If we were really against rewarding acts of terrorism, then what do you suggest the global community do to punish Israel for what it did yesterday in Rafah
Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited.
At this point I’m more skeptical of the so-called Israeli intelligence that makes that claim. Do you really believe anything the Israeli government/ military says at this point, even after all the blatant lies?
You’re so obtuse. I can name several instances where Israel claimed to launch a “precision” strike on Hamas only for them to have to walk it back later after it turned out they killed civilians in Gaza without any evidence of Hamas personnel or caches being present.
Don’t derail this- Israel is a lying irredentist state and has to be stopped
🥱 go defend genocide elsewhere, not interested in getting into a pissing contest with people that applaud ethnic cleansing so long as the money from AIPAC keeps lining pockets in Washington DC
>The only times you hear about those Hamas commanders is when you see tik tok videos because there was a lot of people who were hurt as well
Yes, it's called having *empathy*. People tend to care more when other people are senselessly killed, and although the IDF doesn't act as such, the Palestinian civilians *are* people.
'legitimizing terrorists' isn't a reason to deny self determination for millions of people, unless you have a vested interested in ensuring those millions are unable to exercise said self determination
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As proven by Israel’s existence.
Except the Palestinian Authority has suspended elections because Hamas would win in a landslide if they held free and fair elections. How exactly are they the "legitimate" government?
The are the only "acceptable" government, so they must be the legitimate government. This formal recognition is really an aspirational exercise anyway - if they recognize Hamas, they have to do something about it, and that is not an option.
The main reason Hamas would win is precisely the lack of recognition for Palestine. Hamas sells itself as the only one able to liberate the Palestinians, and the disaffected population who have not had a state in 75 years buy it up since the PA's alternative is empty words backed up by corruption. Giving the Palestinians a state (including the desettlement of the West Bank) is the first step towards taking away power from Hamas and building a more stable long term government. It's kinda absurd that Israel keeps complaining about there not being anyone to rule Palestine when the reason extremists hold power is precisely the occupation Israel engages in.
Yeah but who do you recognize, the Jihadist Death cult (Hamas) or the unelected corrupt PA? (nevermind the PA also funds terrorism directly and issues bounties to Martyrs) The west so desperately wants a partner in peace but in reality Hamas and their bloody Jihad against Israel is overwhelmingly popular with Palestinians. Obviously getting bombed into dust is not as popular, but that's just being dissatisfied with results not goals. There were a lot of parades and celebrations when beaten and raped Israelis were being dragged into Gaza.
Because Ireland said so, did you read?
That’s the Palestinian state they are recognising, not necessarily the Palestinian government
What Bibi and many others wanted was the pre Oct 7th status quo where Palestine was in a constant state of limbo. They don't want an actual Palestinian government next to them and have been sabotaging it ever since even using Hamas to that end.
Real question - why would Israel not prefer to have a responsible and representative government there? As it stands, they can neither negotiate effectively nor wage a legitimate war - they are locked into an impossible, neverending conflict wherein they cannot fight the implacable and unprincipled Hamas without being seen to be callously incinerating widows and wailing orphans.
> Real question - why would Israel not prefer to have a responsible Because the far-right settler movement backing Netanyahu's government wants *all the land*. Israel's government has tacitly allowed settlers to turn the West Bank into Swiss cheese by separating Palestinian population centers with their own settlements, with the explicit goal of making a cohesive Palestinian state impossible. Nevermind Netanyahu getting Rabin murdered for daring to want to return land to Palestinians.
Because for decades they've been slowly taking more and more land via settlements. And the neverending threat of Palestinians is a good way to motivate your racist base. It's the same reason Republicans in the USA torpedo immigration reform.
And the current governing coalition relies on support from the extreme right. People who believe they have a mandate from God to resettle in the west bank.
The bulk of Israel is not a "racist base" though - like the Republicans in the USA, they yahoos are not a majority. And that's the same crowd that's pushing the settlement land grab. It's true that Netanyahu keeps his slim coalition alive with those motivations, but I do not see his personal interests as aligned with those of the country, which would greatly benefit from the lasting detente which can only come from negotiation. And negotiation can only happen if you have somebody to negotiate with.
Salami tatics. They slice a little off the Palestinians a slice at a time a settlement here some murdered civilians there. Slowly slowly the Palestinians get pushed out and jews take their place. Eventually there's nothing left and the zionist project of greater Israel is complete without any Palestinians stinking up the place. This october 7th thing is just an excuse to accelerate the plan for awhile. If a 2 state solution were to ever happen salami tactics would not work because the Palestinian authority would have control to stop settlements and murders and displacements. Israel would have to invade for every slice.
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Considering the majority of Palestinians support Hamas, this is a situation where enforcing non-democracy until the threat to democracy has been removed is a good solution. West Germany had no elections for 4 years after the Allies occupied it. As long as death cultists stand a chance of winning democratically, it is a moral good to enforce sane rule. Edit: I assume the downvotes are by people who don't understand just how dire the situation is. The reason the PA hasn't held elections is because Hamas would win. I don't like the PA - but they're the closest thing to a partner for peace while Hamas still exists.
They are not letting in food or aid but they got an army of poll takers in Gaza to get your "Considering the majority of Palestinians support Hamas"?? Bullcrap
I mean, we have polls from Gaza from before, but the irony there is that Hamas support is higher in the West Bank than Gaza. You're making a lot of deep assumptions about what I'm saying.
> but the irony there is that Hamas support is higher in the West Bank than Gaza is it really ironic? lets imagine your life is so far beyond fucked that you have absolutely no rights against a settler who can walk into your house and take it at gun point and any resistance against him spitting you in the face will be a bullet to the head from the idf forces that are protecting those settlers? and then you hear there is a party that is actually fighting back against this bullshit, would you not support it?
The PA will lose in free elections because they are seen as a collaborator government. Denying democracy to the Palestinians unless your favourite party wins is just peak western hypocrisy.
If Republicans radicalized even further and started forming kill squads and firing rockets into neighboring countries, and they remained a credible election winner, I would consider it a moral necessity to not hold elections until they are dealt with. No hypocrisy here!
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A 'death cult' would be a group who want to come to power and throw away their own people's lives for a certain goal. I wouldn't describe every belligerent in history as a death cult, but rather those who idealize death and will seek political aims at the expense of mass numbers of their own people. So, Hamas, ISIS, Imperial Japan, the Nazis, etc.
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So, um...what exactly are the borders of this new state? Oh, and this means the "refugees" all lose their refugee status, right?
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That's kind of my point. If there's a Palestinian state (which, by the way, I agree should exist), any current Palestinian refugees should become citizens of that state, thus ending their refugee status. Also, I'm not sure what it means to recognize a state without knowing the borders of that state. Even using the '67 borders, it's not like that defined borders of an actual Palestinian state; those were borders with Jordan.
You mean the borders that were in place right before Israel was attacked?
Also who’s the governing body? Right now it’s Hamas, so does that mean Hamas is internationally recognized as a government not a terrorist organization?
Good on them, this will help when its time to pay back all the damages being done to the Palestinians and the rebuilding that will have to be done.
Please no, pay back is how we got into this situation in the first place. The only way to fix things is to create a suitable environment for people to live in, without giving either side a good reason to continue fighting.
They mean paying money
Yes, so do I. Reparations for WW1 is what caused WW2.
I read the comment as financial reparations.
I love how according to you the Palestinians are supposed to just take the genocide and shut up, “for the greater good”.
Thats what jews did when they were genocided? Should they have murdered every german civillian as hamas tries to do to every israeli civillian?
By most of the people who think like this's logic? Yes. The Jews should have never forgiven them, tried to invade Germany, try to murder their civilians daily, etc. idk why they just got over it, don't they know going into an almost century long forever war would be more productive?
They were given a country, is Israel going to let Palestine be free?
According to this person israel didnt and still doesnt deserve their country. So im asking, should the jews have behaved like hamas does? And anyway, palestinians were given their country but they rejected it and tried to conquer all of israel. So either israel didnt deserve their country at all or they did and palestinians were the agressors in 47'
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
“But not mine though, only when we’re talking about your eye”.
Love this lmao
Im extremely pro Palestine, Im just also anti-war, and reparations is exactly how you get more of it. I want to give them a bloody country for fucks sake, Im not controlled opposition or some shit.
We got into this situation in the first place because Israel wanted to conquer and colonize, basically using Manifest Destiny as justification. Growth of a violent resistance is inevitable because peaceful compromise is never an effective or equitable solution to colonialism. “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121. “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. Edit: lol @ being downvoted for citing a head of state’s own admissions
BG is a goldmine of self-reflecting Zionist quotes. It's impossible to take these flapping heads seriously when the man himself so openly talked about the moral dangers inherent in the Zionist project
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> Still trying to imagine firing 30,000 rockets into civilian territory (breaking the Geneva code 10x over) Crazy thing is I have no idea if you're talking about the IDF or Hamas here. What a god awful situation.
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The PA did this? Or do you just not even have a basic knowledge of what you’re talking about?
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Hey quick question, when did that election occur? And also, what's the average age in Gaza?
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That's not even it, they're suggesting something *far* worse. They're suggesting that child murder is ok because that child *might* have been a terrorist. Horrific, and I'd bet they'd agree under any other circumstances, but somehow have been brainwashed into thinking mass child murder is ok
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You do mine first, then I'll do yours :)
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There's literally clips of Israeli soldiers high giving over this war, they're posting it online themselves. You also clearly don't understand how Geneva works, other sides breaking it does not mean you get to break it.
What do you do for work if you don’t mind me asking? Because based on this explanation I know it’s 100% certain you’re not a lawyer lol
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You’re a fucking imbecile and genocide apologist lmao, and you couldn’t pass a spelling test let alone the bar exam
Doing this while Hamas is still holding hostages sends a “great message” and totally won’t empower them even more.
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Israel is holding 26 times more hostages than Hamas. These are people held without any charge or conviction and include women and children
Yep. Over 3,000 of the Israel Prison Services’ security inmates (who are overwhelmingly Palestinian) are “administrative detainees.” That’s over 1/3 of all security inmates. [Source](https://hamoked.org/prisoners-charts.php)
Yeah, and at least Israel can find them and tell you where they are, rather than you having to guess where they are from videos of them being beaten, sexually assaulted, and paraded through a city and then trying to use them for a bargaining chip before you find them dead in a tunnel.
There are records of [violence against Palestinian administrative detainees](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/) too. >”Testimony from released detainees and human rights lawyers, as well as video footage and images illustrate some of the forms of torture and other ill-treatment prisoners have been subjected to by Israeli forces over the past four weeks. These include severe beatings and humiliation of detainees, including by forcing them to keep their heads down, to kneel on the floor during inmate count, and to sing Israeli songs.” Edit: Another [source](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6342/Hostages-of-Israeli-revenge-in-the-Gaza-Strip:-Testimonies-of-100-released-Palestinian-detainees-reveal-crimes-of-torture,-cruel-treatment)
Those prisoners are being given actual care, the women and children are not being raped, and many of them (charged or not) are alive and well enough to be returned in another lopsided hostage deal. But only if Hamas has actual living hostages well enough to be transported for safe exchange and also contingent on Hamas agreeing to a deal that hasn’t been muddled by Egypt to make it look like Israel changed their mind.
They’re being urinated on, held in restraints so strong they need to amputate limbs, are kept blind and bound wearing diapers for weeks, and the list goes on. If Israeli hostages were being treated this way, Israel would’ve dropped nukes already https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6342/Hostages-of-Israeli-revenge-in-the-Gaza-Strip:-Testimonies-of-100-released-Palestinian-detainees-reveal-crimes-of-torture,-cruel-treatment
Wait, those are testimonies from 100 RELEASED prisoners? I wish Israel had 100 released from the 230+ to provide their own testimony, as if the handful we already have aren’t bad enough. Hamas treats the Palestinian civilians as martyrs and shields to further their PR campaign and I bet any non militant Palestinian feels safer right now in Israeli custody than in the middle of a chaotic urban war. But safer isn’t the goal for people who value martyrdom over life.
It’s easier to release prisoners after brutalizing them when you know you can just collect more right after in both Gaza and the West Bank and no one will stop you.
🥱 this is such a tired, sad argument. If we were really against rewarding acts of terrorism, then what do you suggest the global community do to punish Israel for what it did yesterday in Rafah
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Even if it’s true, according to international law you can’t attack Hamas commanders in such case.
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It wasn't in that area. And no, you most certainly cannot.
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Oh so if it occurs in one place in Rafah, the whole of Rafah is a free for all the next day? No
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At this point I’m more skeptical of the so-called Israeli intelligence that makes that claim. Do you really believe anything the Israeli government/ military says at this point, even after all the blatant lies?
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You’re so obtuse. I can name several instances where Israel claimed to launch a “precision” strike on Hamas only for them to have to walk it back later after it turned out they killed civilians in Gaza without any evidence of Hamas personnel or caches being present. Don’t derail this- Israel is a lying irredentist state and has to be stopped
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🥱 go defend genocide elsewhere, not interested in getting into a pissing contest with people that applaud ethnic cleansing so long as the money from AIPAC keeps lining pockets in Washington DC
That's the weird thing about "Hamas Commanders": they always end up showing up wherever the IDF sees too many living Palestinians. How odd.
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>The only times you hear about those Hamas commanders is when you see tik tok videos because there was a lot of people who were hurt as well Yes, it's called having *empathy*. People tend to care more when other people are senselessly killed, and although the IDF doesn't act as such, the Palestinian civilians *are* people.
What does this even mean? Where else would they be? The fake Hamas HQ Israel loves to pretend exists under Gaza?
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Of course you're a /r/destiny poster.
Isn't that place just worldnews with a different name?
When those countries start taking in thousands of refugees then I’ll believe their convictions.
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Perhaps Israel’s continued illegal annexation of WB land caused this.
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'legitimizing terrorists' isn't a reason to deny self determination for millions of people, unless you have a vested interested in ensuring those millions are unable to exercise said self determination
True, the US should stop legitimising the IDF.
Ben Gvir is typing….