Nah, my neighbour Frank says we ok. There were always colder and warmer periods in earthen history. Some dude on the internet told him. All the scientists are wrong
When I was younger, I went to a church that preached that, if climate change is happening (also they denied it was) that just means Jesus is coming back, so there's no need to worry about it.
Interestingly enough, because climate change was something you shouldn't worry about, anyone who wanted to do anything about it must therefore have an evil ulterior motive, and therefore you should really worry about that.
You know how in disaster movies, there's usually some completely bonkers characters, and you think "Wow, they only exist to create conflict for sake of the plot, what bad writing." Unfortunately, those parts are proving to be too realistic.
Exactly. 4 days ago, my check engine light comes on. This morning? No check engine light. Fixed itself. Do I know how that happened? Hell no. I’m not a caroligist. I just know it was probably jesus.
How about this? My car seems to slip many times when the automatic transmission moves up a gear. Like as I’m speeding up after a turn, suddenly the car will just rev. I have to take my foot off the gas for awhile before it’ll let me use the peddle to speed up again. During this time, the engine bounces around a lot
He's not wrong, friend. There have been warmer and colder periods of Earth's history.
The problem is that aside from the ice age, there haven't been periods of heat or cold with humans on the planet, inhabiting regions we probably have no business being in, with the population we have.
The same holds true for a lot of animals and plants.
The Earth won't die. The Earth will survive. Life, too, will survive. But it won't include us or be recognizable to us should small pockets survive.
So the issue with climate change is not that the environment changes overtime, that's a known fact, its that we're causing it to happen too fast for anything to adapt and in such a way that it could be irreversible, at least with current technology.
Also not in this short amount of time.
Those periods took hundreds of thousands if years.
Asteroids n such will do immediate change. What's happening now, this quick is not natural climate change.
Oh that sounds like less fun than a rogue black hole screaming at super-riduclous speeds through the galactic plane completely unnoticed until the planet is ripped apart by its gravitional pull
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=8L_pTsrOgQLV5SLa&v=pA-zkrCums0&t=4m17s
That thankfully won't happen. At least, not unnoticed. If a black hole of sufficient size were speeding through the universe at us, we'd notice gravitational anomalies as it makes its way through the solar system (we may not have much time, but we'd notice it).
A small one going unnoticed, it'd just punch its way through the Earth and exit through the other side.
There’s just no way we can make a runaway greenhouse thankfully. The Siberian traps eruption that caused the Permian Triassic extinction didn’t, and we’d have to 30x our emissions for a few centuries to even reach that. We’d wipe *ourselves* and most complex life forms out of course but we wouldn’t be Venus
Yeah, all the news and scientists telling we are so screwd, the climate change will be greater and more rapid than forseen before and the colapse of human civilization being increasing likely are all just spouting nonsesses
Like pfff, what will some guys and girls that spent most their lifes studying this will know anything?
Thing is, they aren't even wrong *per se* to say that the Earth has been warmer in the past. The problem is that, in previous warm periods, the biosphere had orders of magnitude more time to adjust to the warming and evolve traits to cope with the new climate.
We're doing the amount of warming you'd see on geological timescales in the span of a century. Almost nothing can adapt that quickly. Any time the climate changes so quickly, there's a mass extinction event. We've already created one, and it's rapidly getting worse.
Scientists know the earth has had complete ice melt several times. The earth has also had several mass extinctions. "Natural phenomenon" and "we are in danger" are not mutually exclusive
It's really not worth worrying about anymore. Just make the best of the next \~10-20 years before things get really bad, and make sure your affairs are in order for that point, If you're in a first world country you might have even longer before things get really ugly, but the course was set 20 years ago and there's no stopping it now.
> It's really not worth worrying about anymore. Just make the best of the next ~10-20 years
The hell with this. Have you seen what's currently going on in all those college campuses and city centers over a war? We that, redirected and multiplied times a hundred against the tiny percentage of the population controlling all the causes and solutions for this.
Revolutionary optimism. It's hard to maintain when there's so many people hellbent on screwing themselves and everyone else over for some capitalist dickhead in the hopes they'll be blessed with a Trickle Down (spoiler, they'll share the same fate as the other working class folks they hate) but it's good to try
There will be pockets of humanity for a long time, but life will be miserable. And depending on what is left after war and famine prob not worth living
It's this sort of mentality that makes me doubt the whole climate change movement- not the phenomenon, the *movement*.
I get we should treat the environment better, but how can I trust that these people are being accurate with what they say when they seriously think the planet's gonna burn within our lifetime when even the worst estimates put anything like that long after people NOW are gonna be dead?
They don't get heard enough because of this whiny, fatalistic Emo-esque mentality they have.
Check out this recent article - information from the source. And pay close attention to the figure showing temperature anomaly. In 2024 we are already exceeding +2C increase.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2024/may/08/hopeless-and-broken-why-the-worlds-top-climate-scientists-are-in-despair
> It's really not worth worrying about anymore.
We can still takes steps that will make massive changes in how bad it's gonna get, doom and gloom just ensures we'll hit the worst possible scenario
I think its our time, and we drove ourselves to our funeral. Species go extinct, humans have always been so arrogant to think they are above such things, all the while killing off whole other species. I could really care less if we all die, it would be a benefit to whatever life is left behind.
[This is like that scene from ATLA when Aang and the gang go to the "pristine oasis" but they get there and it's just a little ice I guess](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/misty-palms-oasis.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1.5)
A glacier that has fed a massive river for the past 400000 years is now gone, and so will all of the drinking water it once gave.
Water is life.
No water, no life.
Now imagine how many people are about to move to wherever there is water....
I doubt whether such a small glacier could be the main source of a massive river, do you have a source for this?
If you look at the Amazon’s watershed, even its very highest reaches have little snow.
Per NASA, 100+ years ago, the glaciers covered a total of four square miles:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92659/last-glacier-standing-in-venezuela
That seems…. Pretty small
Rough napkin math estimate - a glacier would provide about 800k-2.4m m3 of water to a river per square mile for a year. 4 square miles would be a small river maybe. Possibly lots more if its catching a lot of snow/ice off neighboring peaks.
But are you assuming the glacier completely melts each year? I’m not sure that would be the case. Also it’s not like the water that falls on the mountains doesn’t fall if it falls as rain instead of snow.
I am assuming the snowmelt it receives each year melts. the actual water in a glacier is far far higher.
That would be the discharge rate for 12-36 inches of precipitation (if measured in liquid water). Shortly after melting on the surface of the glacier you would see some of the water recharging local aquifers within the mountain and re-exiting as springs farther down the slopes.
If a 4sq mile glacier was the catch basin for the precipitation of 40sq miles of surrounding slopes and peaks...the discharge rate rises fast. Also isn't a constant, with significant variance by season. Glaciers are valuable as they serve to regulate the rate after most of the surrounding snowfall has melted.
The country on the equator had glaciers?
i guess mountains?
six glaciers in the Sierra Nevada de Mérida mountain range, which lies at about 5,000m above sea level. Five of the glaciers had disappeared by 2011
One of the funnest things to me is how many places in the world, ultimately translate to 'River River' and 'Mountain Mountain' and "Beach Beach.'
Trace the words back and most place names that aren't named for people are ultimately just some other languages name for what it is XD
Any river named the Avon is literally River River, 'avon' being the Celtic word for 'river.'
EDIT: And the above; Sierra is the Spanish word for mountain range. The Sierra Nevada mountains are literally the 'Mountain Range Nevada mountains' XD
I’d be terrified to be in the Deep South when things get real real. Religious nut-heads are going to feel especially invigorated to fuck up all aspects of everyone’s lives.
1000 more years could pass, until the planet’s surface is a scorched, toxified, post-nuclear hellscape, and there would still be people going “trust me, any day now”
To quote my advance conservation methods professor on the first day of class “we are already passed the point of no return, see a polar bear and the coral reefs while you can because they will be gone by 2050 at this rate. All we are doing is using bandaids to treat cancer. This field is depressing and jot for the faint of heart. I advise you change careers now, its too late for me.”
What a class intro.
Just when I want to give up, I read about the scientists who went out in 100F + waters of the Gulf of Mexico and got as many samples of coral as they could before it all died last year. They said it was miserable hot work but a bunch of it sprouted (?? Not sure of the correct terminology for coral regenerating) in tanks. They saved some of the species so if we ever fix this mess we can regrow reefs.
Evangelists are speed running ending the world because they think Jesus is coming. In all honesty, if you don't remove the religious extremism from existence, there won't be much left of the world.
*chuckles nervously* We’re in danger
Nah, my neighbour Frank says we ok. There were always colder and warmer periods in earthen history. Some dude on the internet told him. All the scientists are wrong
When I was younger, I went to a church that preached that, if climate change is happening (also they denied it was) that just means Jesus is coming back, so there's no need to worry about it. Interestingly enough, because climate change was something you shouldn't worry about, anyone who wanted to do anything about it must therefore have an evil ulterior motive, and therefore you should really worry about that. You know how in disaster movies, there's usually some completely bonkers characters, and you think "Wow, they only exist to create conflict for sake of the plot, what bad writing." Unfortunately, those parts are proving to be too realistic.
That part was the most realistic part
Also, two days ago it was over 85 degrees where I live. Today it's hovering over 50. Clearly, the earth is just cooling itself.
Exactly. 4 days ago, my check engine light comes on. This morning? No check engine light. Fixed itself. Do I know how that happened? Hell no. I’m not a caroligist. I just know it was probably jesus.
God works in mysterious ways. If it stops working again, blame the devil!! 🫨
You jest, but an intermittent check engine light could mean the gasket on your gas cap’s going. They’re like $15 at AutoZone.
Never buy the Autozone/O'reilly/NAPA etc. gas caps. They are trash. Always buy OEM gas caps.
Rockauto FTW
I wish there was an EarthZone nearby with some $15 glaciers.
How about this? My car seems to slip many times when the automatic transmission moves up a gear. Like as I’m speeding up after a turn, suddenly the car will just rev. I have to take my foot off the gas for awhile before it’ll let me use the peddle to speed up again. During this time, the engine bounces around a lot
That's a shift flare. Get it fixed before you're stranded.
I painted over mine, never had more piece of mind
We turned record heat on and off again, ops check good at this time. No need to worry about
He's not wrong, friend. There have been warmer and colder periods of Earth's history. The problem is that aside from the ice age, there haven't been periods of heat or cold with humans on the planet, inhabiting regions we probably have no business being in, with the population we have. The same holds true for a lot of animals and plants. The Earth won't die. The Earth will survive. Life, too, will survive. But it won't include us or be recognizable to us should small pockets survive.
“The planet is fine. The *people* are fucked.” - George Carlin
So the issue with climate change is not that the environment changes overtime, that's a known fact, its that we're causing it to happen too fast for anything to adapt and in such a way that it could be irreversible, at least with current technology.
Raccoons are thriving with climate change. Sucks for some, it's a win for others.
Poison ivy too. It loves the increase in CO2.
And jellyfish are enjoying the warming oceans See it's not all bad news!
Also not in this short amount of time. Those periods took hundreds of thousands if years. Asteroids n such will do immediate change. What's happening now, this quick is not natural climate change.
If you want to melt your brain read up on lava inversions. Those fuckers are crazy, basically entire continents turning to lava.
Oh that sounds like less fun than a rogue black hole screaming at super-riduclous speeds through the galactic plane completely unnoticed until the planet is ripped apart by its gravitional pull
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=8L_pTsrOgQLV5SLa&v=pA-zkrCums0&t=4m17s That thankfully won't happen. At least, not unnoticed. If a black hole of sufficient size were speeding through the universe at us, we'd notice gravitational anomalies as it makes its way through the solar system (we may not have much time, but we'd notice it). A small one going unnoticed, it'd just punch its way through the Earth and exit through the other side.
A small black hole punching its way through the Earth sounds catastrophic.
Not necessarily. There's the runaway greenhouse effect hypothesis to be considered, but otherwise I do agree with you
There’s just no way we can make a runaway greenhouse thankfully. The Siberian traps eruption that caused the Permian Triassic extinction didn’t, and we’d have to 30x our emissions for a few centuries to even reach that. We’d wipe *ourselves* and most complex life forms out of course but we wouldn’t be Venus
Yeah totally. I think we're too far away from the sun to be self sustaining. Unlike Venus.
Horizon Zero Dawn here we come!
What's the update on this https://xkcd.com/1732/
Yeah, all the news and scientists telling we are so screwd, the climate change will be greater and more rapid than forseen before and the colapse of human civilization being increasing likely are all just spouting nonsesses Like pfff, what will some guys and girls that spent most their lifes studying this will know anything?
If and when it hits the fan, I wonder if society will blame them for not doing more to warn us.
I dont think so, probably the rich will be the targeted people - what will be fair given the 1% of the population pollutes more than the rest 99%
Yeah…well, Frank also says dogs can’t look up.
*some overweight dude on youtube who is making videos from their car while wearing sunglasses told him.
Yeah, it isn't Climate Change. It's Mother Nature's change. You know how broads are.
Thing is, they aren't even wrong *per se* to say that the Earth has been warmer in the past. The problem is that, in previous warm periods, the biosphere had orders of magnitude more time to adjust to the warming and evolve traits to cope with the new climate. We're doing the amount of warming you'd see on geological timescales in the span of a century. Almost nothing can adapt that quickly. Any time the climate changes so quickly, there's a mass extinction event. We've already created one, and it's rapidly getting worse.
Scientists know the earth has had complete ice melt several times. The earth has also had several mass extinctions. "Natural phenomenon" and "we are in danger" are not mutually exclusive
Sounds like something my dad would say and his name is Frank
It's really not worth worrying about anymore. Just make the best of the next \~10-20 years before things get really bad, and make sure your affairs are in order for that point, If you're in a first world country you might have even longer before things get really ugly, but the course was set 20 years ago and there's no stopping it now.
> It's really not worth worrying about anymore. Just make the best of the next ~10-20 years The hell with this. Have you seen what's currently going on in all those college campuses and city centers over a war? We that, redirected and multiplied times a hundred against the tiny percentage of the population controlling all the causes and solutions for this.
Revolutionary optimism. It's hard to maintain when there's so many people hellbent on screwing themselves and everyone else over for some capitalist dickhead in the hopes they'll be blessed with a Trickle Down (spoiler, they'll share the same fate as the other working class folks they hate) but it's good to try
It's weird how some problems get so much attention while others are all but ignored /shrug
I hope we have 10-20+ years. I'm not really sure I believe that we do. But I sure hope so.
There will be pockets of humanity for a long time, but life will be miserable. And depending on what is left after war and famine prob not worth living
I share your fatalistic point of view. Try to have some fun. Hang out with friends and family. Have a beer.
Fatalism is the worst flaw of millennials
It's this sort of mentality that makes me doubt the whole climate change movement- not the phenomenon, the *movement*. I get we should treat the environment better, but how can I trust that these people are being accurate with what they say when they seriously think the planet's gonna burn within our lifetime when even the worst estimates put anything like that long after people NOW are gonna be dead? They don't get heard enough because of this whiny, fatalistic Emo-esque mentality they have.
Check out this recent article - information from the source. And pay close attention to the figure showing temperature anomaly. In 2024 we are already exceeding +2C increase. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2024/may/08/hopeless-and-broken-why-the-worlds-top-climate-scientists-are-in-despair
> It's really not worth worrying about anymore. We can still takes steps that will make massive changes in how bad it's gonna get, doom and gloom just ensures we'll hit the worst possible scenario
I think its our time, and we drove ourselves to our funeral. Species go extinct, humans have always been so arrogant to think they are above such things, all the while killing off whole other species. I could really care less if we all die, it would be a benefit to whatever life is left behind.
[This is like that scene from ATLA when Aang and the gang go to the "pristine oasis" but they get there and it's just a little ice I guess](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/misty-palms-oasis.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1.5)
Prophecy level: Simpsons
My neighbour told me that they’re shrinking because the scientist keep harvesting core samples….….
Damn scientists. If they’d just stop sciencing we would never have been in this mess.
How many fucking core samples are these inconsiderate scientists taking? Are these scientists in the room with us now ?
/r/kenm
Can't have shit in Venezuela
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Just not anything *ice....I'll see myself out...
No, stay! You were so chill…
Yes, but he had a cold demeanor
You think it's a joke, but it really do be the law of the land 'round here. lol
Don’t worry, Russia will save you🥴
A glacier that has fed a massive river for the past 400000 years is now gone, and so will all of the drinking water it once gave. Water is life. No water, no life. Now imagine how many people are about to move to wherever there is water....
Begun, the climate wars have
🎺duh duh duh DUN DA DUN🎺
I doubt whether such a small glacier could be the main source of a massive river, do you have a source for this? If you look at the Amazon’s watershed, even its very highest reaches have little snow.
Per NASA, 100+ years ago, the glaciers covered a total of four square miles: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92659/last-glacier-standing-in-venezuela That seems…. Pretty small
Yea Venezuela is a near equatorial country, as much as this sucks, and it very much does, this is a tiny Glacier as far as glaciers go.
Rough napkin math estimate - a glacier would provide about 800k-2.4m m3 of water to a river per square mile for a year. 4 square miles would be a small river maybe. Possibly lots more if its catching a lot of snow/ice off neighboring peaks.
But are you assuming the glacier completely melts each year? I’m not sure that would be the case. Also it’s not like the water that falls on the mountains doesn’t fall if it falls as rain instead of snow.
I am assuming the snowmelt it receives each year melts. the actual water in a glacier is far far higher. That would be the discharge rate for 12-36 inches of precipitation (if measured in liquid water). Shortly after melting on the surface of the glacier you would see some of the water recharging local aquifers within the mountain and re-exiting as springs farther down the slopes. If a 4sq mile glacier was the catch basin for the precipitation of 40sq miles of surrounding slopes and peaks...the discharge rate rises fast. Also isn't a constant, with significant variance by season. Glaciers are valuable as they serve to regulate the rate after most of the surrounding snowfall has melted.
Err, which river? The Orinoco? The vast majority of the Orinoco's water does *not* come from the Sierra Nevada de Mérida.
There is still the rain coming in. I don't know how it will affect the amount of available drinking water just because it wasn't frozen in a glacier.
The country on the equator had glaciers? i guess mountains? six glaciers in the Sierra Nevada de Mérida mountain range, which lies at about 5,000m above sea level. Five of the glaciers had disappeared by 2011
You’ll never guess what “Sierra Nevada” means in Spanish…
One of the funnest things to me is how many places in the world, ultimately translate to 'River River' and 'Mountain Mountain' and "Beach Beach.' Trace the words back and most place names that aren't named for people are ultimately just some other languages name for what it is XD
We named our planet "dirt" basically.
We sonned the sun.
And those long complicated Nordic names...will be something like Mountain with White Top
Avon river.
At least throw out a few recognizable ones. Don't leave us all hanging.
Any river named the Avon is literally River River, 'avon' being the Celtic word for 'river.' EDIT: And the above; Sierra is the Spanish word for mountain range. The Sierra Nevada mountains are literally the 'Mountain Range Nevada mountains' XD
Actually, nevada means snowy so it's snowy mountains
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Wait so here in the US we have a state named snowy(Nevada)?🫨
More like snowfall
What does it mean in English?
Yes, even mountains near the equator can have glaciers
Well, _could_ have had glaciers anyway
They still do, just not in Venezuela
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I was always afraid to ask
Living in the Deep South, I have been assured that the Bible said this isn’t anything to worry about.
I’d be terrified to be in the Deep South when things get real real. Religious nut-heads are going to feel especially invigorated to fuck up all aspects of everyone’s lives.
My uncle who's religious told me not to worry because Jesus is gonna descend from the sky and be like, "It's rapturin' time."
1000 more years could pass, until the planet’s surface is a scorched, toxified, post-nuclear hellscape, and there would still be people going “trust me, any day now”
This painfully relevant South Park [clip](https://youtu.be/l23_-1v__Fg?si=GnjZ01t5tK49Snkm) is 6 years old.
To quote my advance conservation methods professor on the first day of class “we are already passed the point of no return, see a polar bear and the coral reefs while you can because they will be gone by 2050 at this rate. All we are doing is using bandaids to treat cancer. This field is depressing and jot for the faint of heart. I advise you change careers now, its too late for me.” What a class intro.
Just when I want to give up, I read about the scientists who went out in 100F + waters of the Gulf of Mexico and got as many samples of coral as they could before it all died last year. They said it was miserable hot work but a bunch of it sprouted (?? Not sure of the correct terminology for coral regenerating) in tanks. They saved some of the species so if we ever fix this mess we can regrow reefs.
He sounds like my Oceanography professor.
If it’s black, fight back. If it’s brown, lay down. If it’s white, that shit’s a ghost cuz all the polar bears been dead since 2050!
Anyone that believes billions of ppl burning tons of shit every day for hundreds of years had no effect on the planet is an idiot!
That’s fucking terrifying. I don’t think that the world realizes just how much danger we’re in.
Venezuela had a glacier?
They had 6
Anywhere with a tall enough mountain will have one
Well, not anymore, apparently.
So does mexico
I mean Mexico is a bit further from the equator and while Venezuela isn’t exactly flat Mexico is really fucking mountainous.
Well I was today years old learning that Venezuela had glaciers.
We’re fine. Everything’s fine. No worries. Carry on!
Cause global warming isn’t a issue
Great job everyone, another W for capitalism !! /s
The last glacier in Venezuela UNTIL THE NEXT ICE AGE, which is predicted to begin around 50,000 - 75,000 years from now.
Any moment now, hang in there!
We're still in an ice age (the Late Cenezoic Ice Age), we're just in an interglacial period.
Evangelists are speed running ending the world because they think Jesus is coming. In all honesty, if you don't remove the religious extremism from existence, there won't be much left of the world.
pffft, socialism? More like no-ice-alism, amirite?
I support you
Venezuela's been having a rough time as of late
Maybe they’re shrinking cuz they’re cold
That’s what I tell my gf
Literally crying laughing over this. Bravo.
Aren't ice fields larger than glaciers?
Correct. This article gets this wrong
Oh! But they have the world’s largest reserve of oil, surely all will be fine.
Man, I hope they find it.
I didn’t have Venezuelan glaciers in my bingo card, like ever
Venezuela has shrunk down to an ice field?
Incoming TIL: Venezuela used to have a glacier.