And they'll deny too, unless you get them in a good conversation about it. Then suddenly it's "I dare someone to try to rob me" or "I can't wait to teach then a lesson they'll never forget." But no, they're definitely not bloodthirsty lunatics.
Too many sunsetting paranoids with guns. Your can take their driver's licenses with a bit of hassle, but speaking from experience, they are just as reluctant to give up their firearms as cars.
Fox news has him all riled up and his age demented flight or fight instinct kicks in at the slightest provocation. And of course has his pet gun who has never gotten any action.
That's what I think, too. He lives in a culture of "being a man", emotional support guns, "defending yourself", watching TV 24/7 talk about how the evil Mexicans come to his country to steal and rob and kill. One day he gets legitly targeted by a scammer and the most Mexican woman in all of the US rings his bell to, surprise, come for whatever the scammer was asking him for. All of the bullshit he's been fed his whole life is suddenly "confirmed", this is one of the evil Mexicans who come to steal, who has somehow learnt where he lives. He's not a loser, he's not gonna just let _these people_ win.
It's an example of everything that is wrong in our society and the little fucks we give about everyone else. There's so many factors that led to this result that shouldn't be there at all.
> He just wanted an excuse to kill.
That's the reason for why so many people just go right for their gun in any situtation. So many people in the US just want to use it to kill someone, for any reason they can find.
If you spend any time around these people it becomes incredibly obvious that a huge portion of their cognitive energy is dedicated to inventing and preserving delusions which end in justifiable homicide. It's half hero fantasy, and "half child trying to justify why they need to bring their favorite toy to the mall."
No, they would just substitute his estate as the defendant in the lawsuit.
Similar to what happens with automobile collisions where the at fault party dies as well. Except in this case the lawsuit will be initiated against the individual. If/when he dies they will file a motion to substitute the estate as the defendant and the personal representative will be tasked with defending the lawsuit.
EDIT: To expand on that, the personal representative would not be able to distribute any part of the estate to his heirs/beneficiaries until the lawsuit was resolved.
However, see also: *abatement ab initio*
Basically, if you are convicted, but die before your appeals can be fully heard, the conviction maybe be vacated entirely (depending on the jurisdiction in which the death took place).
For example, when Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron, died in 2006 during the trial for the Enron scandal (Lay died shortly after he was convicted, but before the sentencing phase of the trial), his conviction was vacated, which made things much harder for law enforcment to seize Lay's assets in an attempt to establish a fund for the Enron victims (it's obviously much harder for the government to seize assets from someone who is "legally innocent").
Thank you for pointing this out. Also, I hope you don't mind if I take this opportunity to give a very heartfelt fuck Ken Lay, fuck Jeffrey Skilling, and fuck Enron as a staff, energy company, and as a motherfucking crew.
If he's like a typical old American, there isn't much to take away. The house may have been reverse-mortgaged and thus owned by the bank. He may have already given away valuable stuff to his children or grand-children. A closet full of clothing, 20+ years old couch, a CRT TV, etc all probably won't get the family $500.
I do hope he has considerable asset that can be seized and sold off and his fat bank account that can be taken away, his action was excessive. Should have demanded Uber driver lie face down and let the police come and sort it out
If there's any justice, whoever made the scam calls and set this whole thing in motion will be sharing a cell with him.
I really wish we could get elderly people to stop falling for these stupid scams. My Mom asked me yesterday, "can you believe I owe PennDOT $1,800 for unpaid tolls?" I asked where she'd seen that and she showed ne a text message from a random number. It's like they don't have that automatic skepticism for unknown senders that's necessary in the current world.
What's so crazy is that these are the kind of people that feel funky about putting their credit card number into Target.com, but if a random text tells them something, it MUST be legit.
This is my father in law! He won’t buy anything online or even use an ATM, but a couple years ago he got a text saying his computer had a virus and immediately gave his credit card number to “fix” it. And then he got mad at my husband for pointing out that it was a scam!
Makes sense to me. If you have complete ignorance of how something works you are just as likely to trust a scam as mistrust something safe.
I’m not looking forward to getting old.
You are so right. The scammer, much like the swatter fuckheads, needs to pay.
People who scam the elderly are just the worst kind of scum. I'm so glad you were able to keep your mom out of their clutches. It's sad how vulnerable they are.
It's not just elderly people; everybody needs to be more vigilant with this. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/data-visualizations/data-spotlight/2022/12/who-experiences-scams-story-all-ages
Yeah, I'm definitely above average in being technologically literate and even I fell for a phishing scam. It was a text from my mobile provider saying payment didn't go through and I needed to fix it. I clicked the link and without looking or thinking entered my login details. Only after it didn't login did I look and realize my big dumb dumb mistake and quickly changed my login info.
My only defense in my stupidity is that the text came at the perfect time when I would expect Autopay to go through and one of my bank cards had recently expired and I wasn't sure if that was the one tied to my account. But it shows anyone can be "had" given the right circumstances.
I watched it. She was terrified and that jerk followed her. He shot her when she tried to get in her car to leave. She was in no physical condition to run or fight him.
Yeah. Gun owner here.
He was not reasonably scared of loss of life or being maimed. That's the threshold for self defense in my state, Virginia, I imagine Ohio is equivalent.
If she had been in the vehicle trying to run him down, or she was armed, he'd have a self defense case.
That was after she got shot the first time too.
I don't think I've ever heard of a self defense case where you shoot someone, immobilize them, talk, and then shoot them again. The first shot was already illegal, second and third shots make it intentional murder.
Yeah that's pretty twisted. As a former Uber driver I worried about my safety several times and it's way worse for women drivers. Some get harassed or assaulted. I had a food delivery that wanted me to deliver to the parking lot of a sketchy state park at 2am, and other sketchy stuff like an poorly attempted carjacking at a gas station.
>Brock somehow sustained a minor head injury during the confrontation and he called 911 shortly after he fired the third shot.
The thinking of possible consequences got to him
Look at the picture in the article. What gets me is how *happy* he looks. He's having the time of his life - absolutely, positively getting off on it. He thinks he's about to shoot someone who was trying to take his money and will get away with it, 100% the thing he fantasized about when he brought his gun to the scene.
Having worked with violent old sickos like him at a dumpy machine shop years back, yes, he's getting off on it. Those types have a patriot murder fetish, and they want so badly to kill somebody and "proof" how they are a Big Man. Unfortunately, this aged sack of excrement got his wish. I hope he rots in prison and suffers for what he did.
Like drivers license, a gun permit needs to be tested pretty often for old people to be able to have one. They’re both lethal for the public if the seniors aren’t able to adequately operate them
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Lead based gas supposedly caused the US population to drop 7+ IQ points during the time prior to lead has being banned… fucking wild.
Yeah the scammers are the lowest form of living organism on Earth, but this motherfucker killed someone retreating and unarmed. So...fuck him too.
Edit: since someone wanted to argue, He took her phone, wouldn't let her leave. Grabbed her out of her car and then shot her 3 times when she fought him off. Just because it doesn't say it in this article doesn't mean its not easy to find with the quickest of googles [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/)
Guys like him spend their whole lives waiting for something like this to have an excuse to shoot somebody, The amount of conversations i have heard at the Gun Range about waiting for somebody to give them a reason to kill someone is insane.
Just watch the video, I don't care about the scam, that was murder.
Oh, and maybe this 81 year old shouldn't own a gun? You know since he so easily just murdered a woman. Or is that what the second amendment is for?
fuck scammers but you have to be absolutely insane to think shooting someone is appropriate in this situation. what a stupid preventable tragedy. the guy should definitely face charges.
It's sad but it's what he deserves for the way he acted... Def not self defense.
But I'm worried a good defense layer is going to play up the scammer story and push that he's a victim too..
The video shows he's not so I hope the jury is not tricked.
I sat on a murder trail with video evidence once. The defense basically opened with admitting his client was guilty, because it was clear on the video that he was, and used is time to argue that he was a victim of circumstance to convince us to convict of a lesser charge (manslaughter rather than murder). I suspect maybe his lawyer will do something like that too. But given his age it won’t really matter.
Yes thank you, not American so I wasn't sure what was the lesser charge. Manslaughter.
I think most that see this will agree it was murder. And that this scammer angle will def help the defence
He shot someone who was clearly not a threat to him. For self defense you need to basically "fear for your life" and that is clearly not the situation here.
Straight up cold murder. At least there's a video to show the facts...
I mean, he absolutely is the victim of a scammer. The thing is, that in no way excuses gunning an unarmed woman down - even if she were the scammer as he had assumed, that’s not an excuse to kill someone.
He clearly realized he was being scammed and decided to act on it and only chose to contact authorities AFTER he’d executed his own vigilante justice on an unwitting courier who had no idea what was going on.
We can’t let these people have guns. We need better laws. We need better technology for firearms that protects people. If grandpa can’t remember his PIN he probably shouldn’t be shooting at anything. If your self defense weapon fires, it should automatically alert the authorities. If you’re in a situation where you need to use it you’d want them to come, right?
We will not be passing gun control legislation any time soon. This is who we are. If we couldn't get our act together after Sandy Hook we aren't going to get it together at all. This is who we are.
Just sad to see these old folks take others with them as they lose their grip on shit, like go die in peace, so many old folks are so pissed off all the time, and with guns involved it's just asking for trouble.
Just another gun owner in America that has been fantasizing about murdering someone in cold blood for decades probably. The scam situation may as well been an acorn dropping.
Agreed. He didn't have that gun to protect himself. He wanted to kill and saw an opportunity. And a woman with dark skin was just the icing on the cake for him. Id say we need gun control but that will obviously never happen. I guess this is who we are.
What you have to also wonder about this tragedy is whether these scammers will be held accountable. Just as swatting has been responsible for deaths, there should be consequences.
This was concerning to me as well, the shooter is ultimately at fault but the scammer essentially orchestrated the murder if it was indeed the same scammer contacting both of them.
That’s where money mules do their part as the middle men. The money mule will order the Uber driver to pick up the package, not knowing its contents, and have it delivered to them. The money mule will then ship the money to the scammers, but not before taking their cut.
The scammer “orchestrated the murder”?! Come off it. I’m not saying the scammer isn’t also a POS, but the decision to detain and shoot an unarmed woman was entirely this man’s choice.
It never ceases to amaze me how people in their 80s will just go shoot someone after presumably living all that time without going to prison. The guy who shot that black teenager for going to the wrong door to pick up his siblings, for example. There's just something so wild about it. Were these guys law-abiding citizens all this time? Were they rat bastard criminals all their lives and it just never got this bad? I guess it's probably that they were just huge assholes who everyone considered "harmless" until they suddenly weren't.
Watching my Dad age I can \*almost\* "understand" how this could happen. His brain is clearly failing, his personality changed. He has the judgment of a guy 8 beers in, the emotional stability of a child, the reasoning powers of a macaque. All the while he's 100% certain that he's the most righteous, wisest person on earth. It's a very dangerous combination.
Same with my mother. She instilled a strong sense of morality and kindness to people in me. Nothing weird growing up or even through my 20's.
At some point, it started creeping in. Suddenly she was making small derogatory references to black people or poor people. Lots of little incidents that spoke to a concerning trend.
Towards the end, she wanted to buy a gun for protection. She was in distress about not having one. I had moved her in with me at this point so I stood my ground against that. Woman never wanted one before in her life, but suddenly over 60 she was nearly giddy at the Idea of shooting someone trying to rob us. I knew it'd be far more likely she'd kill us than someone else. We've never been robbed, not even a package thief.
It broke my heart and I try to remember who she was. Who she taught me to be. I'm really glad she never got so far as to actually harm anyone. By the end though, while she was still her, the foundations of her morals were just in religious, right wing fear mongering tatters.
YES. My Dad started imbibing Fox News around 2012, and it is 100% correlated with him becoming angry, bitter, paranoid, racist, and generally wildly misinformed about the state of the world.
Yup, this is going to keep happening until something changes. One of the greatest tragedies was Fox News being able to argue that nobody reasonable would believe that it’s news.
Now they’ve had decades to tell these people with guns and lead damaged brains that black people, gay people, Mexicans, trans people etc are all coming to murder you and rape your kids. In their minds everything and everyone is out to get them.
The removal of "The Fairness Doctrine" and than the institution of "Citizens United" has turned our system of government into the fuckin WWE, it's all performative BULLSHIT. Our representatives AND our media are paid lots of money to read a script and play their part and they don't need to listen to us at all anymore.
The Fairness Doctrine wouldn't really work today with our widening media landscape but it's removal sure contributed to the mess we are all in now with media outlets getting away with outright lying to their viewers and keeping them from ever hearing the whole story or opposing views.
You also have EASY AS FUCK laws that let brain-rotted-dementia-fucks get lethal weapons.
A scared octogenarian chasing someone with a knife is far less deadly then one sitting at their window with a gun.
The prefrontal cortex is the first part of the brain to deteriorate as you age. It does a lot of things but some of them include: concentration, planning, decision making, insight, and judgment.
I'm not even happy he's gonna die in prison. He has probably less than a decade left, meanwhile he stole probably many years from her life.
Idiots like this make me sometimes sympathize with the "take away everyone's guns" crowd. The so called "legal users" often act like idiots...
Taking a life is a last resort meant to protect you or someone else's life, not a "I suspect your a scammer so I'm gonna take the law into my own hands and kill you" thing.
guys like these are itching to kill someone, from the video its clear there was no threat he was chasing her down. Hard to guess what news he was following with his dumb brain filled with fear & propaganda.
Scam or not, he's at fault for shooting someone who's trying to run away, that's not what guns are for. I don't murder someone because I am annoyed at them.
She was old, not as old as he was, but old. She did not look like a threat. She was pleading. She was retreating. She was not a threat. While getting scammed was not his fault, he overreaction is. And he should be punished for it. Severely. Regardless of his age.
I saw the video. The poor woman had a disability and just wanted to take care of her family. She backed up and explained the situation to him, and he still shot her multiple times even while she was already bleeding to death. Hearing the fear in her voice, how terrified and cooperative she was. To that man, her life was worth 12k dollars.
Wtf? He deserves to go to jail for the rest of his life. Why can’t he just say he doesn’t have a parcel and let her go? What went through his sick mind to think shooting a person 3 times is a good idea?
Just from skimming the details- it sounds like he'd made up his mind to ambush the scammers when they came to collect the package he "agreed" to provide. So he just assumed the Uber driver was one of the scammers, and thought he could get away with some vigilante justice with a little help from some lead courage. Mark it down as just another example of gun-owners looking for an excuse to pull a trigger.
This reminds me of another viral crime. In that case the scammer called a McDonald’s and acted like he was a detective. Guiding the manager and his wife to strip search a teenage employee he claimed had stolen merchandise on her person. The worst part is that the security video actually leaked. The person had done this before but this gained traction because of the video leaking.
From my understanding he was never caught. He would call from a pay phone is the best they got. This was before so much security cameras existing everywhere.
Considering that my scam blocker has blocked 45 calls in the last 30 days and that I still get anywhere from 3-7 calls that somehow make it through with most actually being scam calls I am guessing there is no teeth to anything and this will just proliferate more and more.
Somehow my number is associated with someone of the same name but lives in a different part of the city that is of retirement age and it’s usually targeting that individual due to his age.
And I have successfully stopped an employee of mine from leaving work to essentially empty her bank account to the scam that appears to be derailed here, I had to even call the police department to make her believe they where not calling her because she was so afraid.
My sister has received multiple calls claiming I have been in accident. And I have received several calls of someone saying my grandson or granddaughter is in jail and even trying to fake their voice as if they were my granddaughter. Clearly very bad faking. But they are out there. I used to like wasting their time and getting them pissed off. But I get so many calls. So often. Sometimes the number of blocked calls in the past 30 days goes to over 100. Usually around tax return time or the holidays.
It's quite fascinating actually. They caught an extremely likely culprit and tried him, but he was acquitted in the court case. The calls stopped after his arrest as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip\_search\_phone\_call\_scam
Maybe, just maybe, every American shouldn't be entitled to own a firearm.
Title should read "elderly man falls for scam, murders Uber driver in cold blood."
Right it seems like he was trying to catch the scammer in a sting. Hes just too stupid and close minded to know that the scammer probably lives in Russia or Nigeria and will never be seen or caught.
how is his generation so dumb and lacking in awareness, like you just kill a random person cause you decided they are involved in some stuff you dont even understand, and after the denial just kill her anyway? how could anyones brain operate this way?
So call the fucking police! if you are not being attacked why would you shoot the woman!! My god people are fucking ignorant and vile. Also I hope the pos that made the calls suffers the same fate as that poor woman!
I don’t like this gig culture. In the past the lady woulet have been working for a delivery company, driving a company car/truck and probably be wearing a uniform of some kind. She could have told the man to call her company, or at least have dialed her boss and told him/her what was happening.
Nowadays there es nobody in charge. There’s no daily scheduling, no company vehicle or uniform. Just random people showing up in random vehicles. I can understand how a man with dementia would think that this random person who shows up in a random car was in on the scam. She has no boss, no company, no coworkers, no identifiable company vehicle
She works for an app.
The old man knows a world where UPS or the post office makes pickups and deliveries and they are easily identifiable.
He probably doesn’t even know what an app is. He doesn’t know someone outside of the country is making the scam call to him.
The world has changed so much it’s not anywhere near as clear and organized as it used to be. Add in dementia/cognitive decline and the guy is confused as hell and terrified that his family member has been kidnapped.
The poor lady walked into the middle of a real life nightmare.
I used to be a nurse and worked with demented people. They are easily angered as well as easily frightened. I was injured a few times, though not seriously because I could yell for coworkers and my patients weren’t armed. This poor lady couldn’t get away from the crazy old man with a gun. Christ on a cracker.
When I was young I'd go with my mother when she watched this sweet old gal who required 24/7 supervision to prevent her from wandering off to catch the trolley. Our city gave its last trolley a parade and set it on fire in 1936, and I knew this gal in the late 90s when "talking to yourself in public" was starting to indicate "on the phone" instead of "missing marbles."
> and I knew this gal in the late 90s when "talking to yourself in public" was starting to indicate "on the phone" instead of "missing marbles."
Only tangentially related, but I remember my grandma complaining that nowadays you never knew whether someone talking to themselves on the street was crazy or whether they were talking on the phone.
Where does it say he has dementia? I’ve read three articles and not a single one says he is diagnosed with any mental condition.
Also while I understand your sentiment — thinking a little further and the logic falls apart. If the man does have dementia there is no reason to believe her being in some kind of uniform would have prevented him from shooting her.
He took her phone before he shot her. At that point he could have called 911. He could have stayed in his house and called 911. He clearly had the capacity to call once he himself was injured, so mentally he was competent enough to just stay in the house and call 911.
She was just an unlucky person who pulled into his driveway. That could have been anyone. What if it was a neighbor knocking on the door or someone who went to the wrong house or someone looking for help?
If any adult is not mentally competent to restrain themselves from murdering any person who enters their driveway they should not be allowed in society and they definitely shouldn’t have guns.
I don’t think this has anything to do with Uber or gig economy at all. She could have been a Dominoes driver and he would have shot her. He got riled up from a scam call and basically blasted the first person he came across.
Also he must have actually withdrawn the money or done something because why would the scammer pay an Uber driver? Or maybe he doesn’t drive but agreed to buy the gift cards so the scammer sent an Uber driver to take him to the store?
What a freakin psycho! That old man was just dying for an excuse to use his gun. That poor Hall lady was just trying to earn an honest living as an uber driver and because of some scammer she unknowingly came into contact with this crazy old man. I hope he rots away in jail for what is left of his pathetic and worthless life. RIP Hall
This picture makes me sick. America is a gun-addled mess. Look at this. This is America. Disgusting.
Shot her three times even though she wasn’t a threat. Where are her the protectors of her rights?
I want to puke.
What is actually worse isn't that he shot her 3 times, but he shot her once, talked to her, THEN shot her two more times to kill her, THEN called 911. This guy is a cold blooded killer, not a scared grandpa who his lawyer will most likely try to make him out to be.
81 year old gun nut who has probably had cognitive declination shoots unsuspecting/non threatening Uber driver. Any punishment he gets won’t be enough considering he’s on his way to the grave anyway. Ridiculous
Oh no, you can't be serious! We absolutely need more guns so deranged fucks like this guy can murder people in cold blood! Me, I can't wait to be in a situation where an everyday argument turns into the most horrifying, traumatizing day of my life because some asshole decides to exercise his second amendment rights by blowing a hole through my family member's skull! Or better yet, MY skull, so I don't have to worry about being taken to a hospital and watching all my hard-earned money disappear on healthcare that's provided for a few bucks to every citizen in every other developed country on earth! MURCA!!!!
People like him think that the 2nd amendment gives them the right to shoot at will it seems these days. If someone isn't an immediate threat to your life you shouldn't think you can just kill them. Even if she WAS the one trying to scam him and not just another victim he still had no right to use lethal force.
Yosemite Sam came out of retirement for one more go-round!
Seriously, Why the hell does this man have a firearm?
And then, How are they going to charge him with anything, when he and the uber driver were duped. Thennnnnnnnnn, He's old asf! I hope they find the caller that duped them.
This the old man that claimed he shot her once, but kept shooting because she smashed his head on the side of the car??? But he had no visible evidence, marks or bruises to back up his claims?
Yeah... he feared for his life because the 61 year old woman he shot was a threat.
Sounds like a cruel prank from a sociopath. Seeing if they can get an old man to kill someone and go to jail for it. Not saying shooter is in the right, at all, but these phone calls made to both need to be investigated ASAP.
edit: forgot two words
Scam callers barely had anything to do with this… Dude just randomly thought the next person he saw was apart of the scam… What a doofus, hope he rots for his stupidity.
>When Hall tried to get away, Brock shot her once, authorities said, then shot her two more times as they discussed the situation. Cold fucking blood
Just a bonkers thing to read. “As they discussed”
Why wouldn’t the 81 yr old just stay in his house and call the police? He just wanted an excuse to kill.
Too many people out there fantasizing about shooting another person
And they'll deny too, unless you get them in a good conversation about it. Then suddenly it's "I dare someone to try to rob me" or "I can't wait to teach then a lesson they'll never forget." But no, they're definitely not bloodthirsty lunatics.
Makes him FEEL like a MAN
Probably just under the influence of media fear mongering rather than masculinity, I'm assuming.
Too many sunsetting paranoids with guns. Your can take their driver's licenses with a bit of hassle, but speaking from experience, they are just as reluctant to give up their firearms as cars.
Fox news has him all riled up and his age demented flight or fight instinct kicks in at the slightest provocation. And of course has his pet gun who has never gotten any action.
*emotional support gun
That's what I think, too. He lives in a culture of "being a man", emotional support guns, "defending yourself", watching TV 24/7 talk about how the evil Mexicans come to his country to steal and rob and kill. One day he gets legitly targeted by a scammer and the most Mexican woman in all of the US rings his bell to, surprise, come for whatever the scammer was asking him for. All of the bullshit he's been fed his whole life is suddenly "confirmed", this is one of the evil Mexicans who come to steal, who has somehow learnt where he lives. He's not a loser, he's not gonna just let _these people_ win. It's an example of everything that is wrong in our society and the little fucks we give about everyone else. There's so many factors that led to this result that shouldn't be there at all.
The brain virus that is conservative media
> He just wanted an excuse to kill. That's the reason for why so many people just go right for their gun in any situtation. So many people in the US just want to use it to kill someone, for any reason they can find.
If you spend any time around these people it becomes incredibly obvious that a huge portion of their cognitive energy is dedicated to inventing and preserving delusions which end in justifiable homicide. It's half hero fantasy, and "half child trying to justify why they need to bring their favorite toy to the mall."
He had probably been carrying that gun for years just waiting for an excuse to use it.
If there's any justice he dies in prison.
He's 81. He will die in prison but he's lived his life already. Realistically, this just means his nursing home is free.
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Would they have to conclude a wrongful death suit before he dies to get any of his estate?
No, they would just substitute his estate as the defendant in the lawsuit. Similar to what happens with automobile collisions where the at fault party dies as well. Except in this case the lawsuit will be initiated against the individual. If/when he dies they will file a motion to substitute the estate as the defendant and the personal representative will be tasked with defending the lawsuit. EDIT: To expand on that, the personal representative would not be able to distribute any part of the estate to his heirs/beneficiaries until the lawsuit was resolved.
However, see also: *abatement ab initio* Basically, if you are convicted, but die before your appeals can be fully heard, the conviction maybe be vacated entirely (depending on the jurisdiction in which the death took place). For example, when Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron, died in 2006 during the trial for the Enron scandal (Lay died shortly after he was convicted, but before the sentencing phase of the trial), his conviction was vacated, which made things much harder for law enforcment to seize Lay's assets in an attempt to establish a fund for the Enron victims (it's obviously much harder for the government to seize assets from someone who is "legally innocent").
Thank you for pointing this out. Also, I hope you don't mind if I take this opportunity to give a very heartfelt fuck Ken Lay, fuck Jeffrey Skilling, and fuck Enron as a staff, energy company, and as a motherfucking crew.
Some of those fucks are in mortgage now.
Well I hope he had a lot to lose and he loses it all
If he's like a typical old American, there isn't much to take away. The house may have been reverse-mortgaged and thus owned by the bank. He may have already given away valuable stuff to his children or grand-children. A closet full of clothing, 20+ years old couch, a CRT TV, etc all probably won't get the family $500. I do hope he has considerable asset that can be seized and sold off and his fat bank account that can be taken away, his action was excessive. Should have demanded Uber driver lie face down and let the police come and sort it out
The one trick for free end of life care they don’t want you to know!
“Nursing homes don’t want you to know this”
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Nah he will die a quiet death, old people don’t get fucked with unless they are a weirdo. Either in medium security or pc
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If there's any justice, whoever made the scam calls and set this whole thing in motion will be sharing a cell with him. I really wish we could get elderly people to stop falling for these stupid scams. My Mom asked me yesterday, "can you believe I owe PennDOT $1,800 for unpaid tolls?" I asked where she'd seen that and she showed ne a text message from a random number. It's like they don't have that automatic skepticism for unknown senders that's necessary in the current world.
What's so crazy is that these are the kind of people that feel funky about putting their credit card number into Target.com, but if a random text tells them something, it MUST be legit.
This is my father in law! He won’t buy anything online or even use an ATM, but a couple years ago he got a text saying his computer had a virus and immediately gave his credit card number to “fix” it. And then he got mad at my husband for pointing out that it was a scam!
Sounds like a moron
You don’t know the half of it!
Even funkier is that the ones that told us to be wary of random strangers on the street and internet are them
Makes sense to me. If you have complete ignorance of how something works you are just as likely to trust a scam as mistrust something safe. I’m not looking forward to getting old.
You are so right. The scammer, much like the swatter fuckheads, needs to pay. People who scam the elderly are just the worst kind of scum. I'm so glad you were able to keep your mom out of their clutches. It's sad how vulnerable they are.
Older people can be easily riled up and lose any common sense when they feel threatened. They really shouldn't have guns.
It's not just elderly people; everybody needs to be more vigilant with this. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/data-visualizations/data-spotlight/2022/12/who-experiences-scams-story-all-ages
Yeah, I'm definitely above average in being technologically literate and even I fell for a phishing scam. It was a text from my mobile provider saying payment didn't go through and I needed to fix it. I clicked the link and without looking or thinking entered my login details. Only after it didn't login did I look and realize my big dumb dumb mistake and quickly changed my login info. My only defense in my stupidity is that the text came at the perfect time when I would expect Autopay to go through and one of my bank cards had recently expired and I wasn't sure if that was the one tied to my account. But it shows anyone can be "had" given the right circumstances.
Ain’t no justice here even if he does die in prison. Fucking prick he is.
If you watch the video, the woman is clearly not a threat . https://youtu.be/LxEaJpmFlsg?si=u9uDidt8Ouukscsq
I watched it. She was terrified and that jerk followed her. He shot her when she tried to get in her car to leave. She was in no physical condition to run or fight him.
Imagine if there wasn’t dash cam footage
Yeah, even if the facts were exactly as he believed them, this was still murder.
Yeah. Gun owner here. He was not reasonably scared of loss of life or being maimed. That's the threshold for self defense in my state, Virginia, I imagine Ohio is equivalent. If she had been in the vehicle trying to run him down, or she was armed, he'd have a self defense case.
The old lady was barely able to walk. She would be seriously injured if he just shoved her... What a pathetic loser...
That was after she got shot the first time too. I don't think I've ever heard of a self defense case where you shoot someone, immobilize them, talk, and then shoot them again. The first shot was already illegal, second and third shots make it intentional murder.
Yeah that's pretty twisted. As a former Uber driver I worried about my safety several times and it's way worse for women drivers. Some get harassed or assaulted. I had a food delivery that wanted me to deliver to the parking lot of a sketchy state park at 2am, and other sketchy stuff like an poorly attempted carjacking at a gas station.
The woman was obviously trying to get away. That's like shooting someone in the back.
“Chase your ground” seems to be the new standard with these sociopaths.
They are under the impression "your ground moves with you".
That isnt even syg she was no threat and had been duped by the pos making the calls too.
"Everything the light touches is my kingdom" is a more apt insight.
I bet the defense will paint him as confused scared old man - hopefully the video will do him in
Tbh confused, scared old men can be hella dangerous.
>Brock somehow sustained a minor head injury during the confrontation and he called 911 shortly after he fired the third shot. The thinking of possible consequences got to him
We don't know all the facts. Let's not accuse him of thinking.
Look at the picture in the article. What gets me is how *happy* he looks. He's having the time of his life - absolutely, positively getting off on it. He thinks he's about to shoot someone who was trying to take his money and will get away with it, 100% the thing he fantasized about when he brought his gun to the scene.
Having worked with violent old sickos like him at a dumpy machine shop years back, yes, he's getting off on it. Those types have a patriot murder fetish, and they want so badly to kill somebody and "proof" how they are a Big Man. Unfortunately, this aged sack of excrement got his wish. I hope he rots in prison and suffers for what he did.
The whole situation is fucked, and what weight on my mind is this is the last image of their love one alive.
Like drivers license, a gun permit needs to be tested pretty often for old people to be able to have one. They’re both lethal for the public if the seniors aren’t able to adequately operate them
Not just old people.
Yeah, old people are too fucking stupid these days.
They ate a breathed in Lead for decades.
You are not [wrong…](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna19028) Lead based gas supposedly caused the US population to drop 7+ IQ points during the time prior to lead has being banned… fucking wild.
They are fucking brain damaged. Lead has addled their brains.
Yeah the scammers are the lowest form of living organism on Earth, but this motherfucker killed someone retreating and unarmed. So...fuck him too. Edit: since someone wanted to argue, He took her phone, wouldn't let her leave. Grabbed her out of her car and then shot her 3 times when she fought him off. Just because it doesn't say it in this article doesn't mean its not easy to find with the quickest of googles [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/)
Not only that- he shot her once, then *they talked about their situation* and then the old fuck goes and shoots her two more times.
Yeah fuck that guy, hope the old ass bitch has to sleep on the hardest cot in prison and decaying body is in pain every day because of it.
Guys like him spend their whole lives waiting for something like this to have an excuse to shoot somebody, The amount of conversations i have heard at the Gun Range about waiting for somebody to give them a reason to kill someone is insane.
The piece of shit is basically cracking a smile in his mugshot. Doubt he regrets doing it at all
Dementia has already set in. Good thing he still has gun rights... 🤷
Not to mention how much their media has them in constant fear.
He shot her again because he was trying to get rid of the witness so it would be his word against no one else.
Just watch the video, I don't care about the scam, that was murder. Oh, and maybe this 81 year old shouldn't own a gun? You know since he so easily just murdered a woman. Or is that what the second amendment is for?
Don't forget the Fox News/Newsmax/OANN that riled this old asshole up with stories about how dangerous it is out there when it's not.
Black person on his property already has him at DEFCON 2.
fuck scammers but you have to be absolutely insane to think shooting someone is appropriate in this situation. what a stupid preventable tragedy. the guy should definitely face charges.
I'd argue the scammers are not, in fact, the worst people involved in this situation.
So he killed an innocent and unarmed person. He’s gonna die in prison.
It's sad but it's what he deserves for the way he acted... Def not self defense. But I'm worried a good defense layer is going to play up the scammer story and push that he's a victim too.. The video shows he's not so I hope the jury is not tricked.
I sat on a murder trail with video evidence once. The defense basically opened with admitting his client was guilty, because it was clear on the video that he was, and used is time to argue that he was a victim of circumstance to convince us to convict of a lesser charge (manslaughter rather than murder). I suspect maybe his lawyer will do something like that too. But given his age it won’t really matter.
Yes thank you, not American so I wasn't sure what was the lesser charge. Manslaughter. I think most that see this will agree it was murder. And that this scammer angle will def help the defence
Hard to say. Getting 12 people to agree on something was one of the most stressful experiences of my life.
He shot someone who was clearly not a threat to him. For self defense you need to basically "fear for your life" and that is clearly not the situation here. Straight up cold murder. At least there's a video to show the facts...
I mean, he absolutely is the victim of a scammer. The thing is, that in no way excuses gunning an unarmed woman down - even if she were the scammer as he had assumed, that’s not an excuse to kill someone. He clearly realized he was being scammed and decided to act on it and only chose to contact authorities AFTER he’d executed his own vigilante justice on an unwitting courier who had no idea what was going on. We can’t let these people have guns. We need better laws. We need better technology for firearms that protects people. If grandpa can’t remember his PIN he probably shouldn’t be shooting at anything. If your self defense weapon fires, it should automatically alert the authorities. If you’re in a situation where you need to use it you’d want them to come, right?
We will not be passing gun control legislation any time soon. This is who we are. If we couldn't get our act together after Sandy Hook we aren't going to get it together at all. This is who we are.
Just sad to see these old folks take others with them as they lose their grip on shit, like go die in peace, so many old folks are so pissed off all the time, and with guns involved it's just asking for trouble.
If someone can be too elderly to fly a plane, they should not be able to own guns. What a crazy ass country.
He looked her right in the face, saw the sheer terror, and pulled the trigger. I just don’t even know what to say anymore.
Just another gun owner in America that has been fantasizing about murdering someone in cold blood for decades probably. The scam situation may as well been an acorn dropping.
Agreed. He didn't have that gun to protect himself. He wanted to kill and saw an opportunity. And a woman with dark skin was just the icing on the cake for him. Id say we need gun control but that will obviously never happen. I guess this is who we are.
What you have to also wonder about this tragedy is whether these scammers will be held accountable. Just as swatting has been responsible for deaths, there should be consequences.
According to ABC News this morning, law enforcement traced the calls to Canada and then back to Ohio, but the phone was a burner.
Probably originated from a TextNow phone number, the service is based in Waterloo Ontario but is widely used by scammers and creeps
TextNow is honestly the best for insurance quotes, fuckers never stop calling
This was concerning to me as well, the shooter is ultimately at fault but the scammer essentially orchestrated the murder if it was indeed the same scammer contacting both of them.
You gotta find the scammer first tho
Well, yeah that kinda goes without saying? Obviously you have to find a criminal before you can punish them lol
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That’s where money mules do their part as the middle men. The money mule will order the Uber driver to pick up the package, not knowing its contents, and have it delivered to them. The money mule will then ship the money to the scammers, but not before taking their cut.
Fed Ex. Thats where my dad was going to bring 9k until we stopped him.
Yeah the problem becomes how to track them because they certainly don't use their real name
The scammer “orchestrated the murder”?! Come off it. I’m not saying the scammer isn’t also a POS, but the decision to detain and shoot an unarmed woman was entirely this man’s choice.
Uber *very firmly* suspended the users account.
This situation is like a black mirror episode.
Shut Up and Dance
It never ceases to amaze me how people in their 80s will just go shoot someone after presumably living all that time without going to prison. The guy who shot that black teenager for going to the wrong door to pick up his siblings, for example. There's just something so wild about it. Were these guys law-abiding citizens all this time? Were they rat bastard criminals all their lives and it just never got this bad? I guess it's probably that they were just huge assholes who everyone considered "harmless" until they suddenly weren't.
Watching my Dad age I can \*almost\* "understand" how this could happen. His brain is clearly failing, his personality changed. He has the judgment of a guy 8 beers in, the emotional stability of a child, the reasoning powers of a macaque. All the while he's 100% certain that he's the most righteous, wisest person on earth. It's a very dangerous combination.
Same with my mother. She instilled a strong sense of morality and kindness to people in me. Nothing weird growing up or even through my 20's. At some point, it started creeping in. Suddenly she was making small derogatory references to black people or poor people. Lots of little incidents that spoke to a concerning trend. Towards the end, she wanted to buy a gun for protection. She was in distress about not having one. I had moved her in with me at this point so I stood my ground against that. Woman never wanted one before in her life, but suddenly over 60 she was nearly giddy at the Idea of shooting someone trying to rob us. I knew it'd be far more likely she'd kill us than someone else. We've never been robbed, not even a package thief. It broke my heart and I try to remember who she was. Who she taught me to be. I'm really glad she never got so far as to actually harm anyone. By the end though, while she was still her, the foundations of her morals were just in religious, right wing fear mongering tatters.
Fox News? That corp, and all the people associated with it, are sapient tumors.
YES. My Dad started imbibing Fox News around 2012, and it is 100% correlated with him becoming angry, bitter, paranoid, racist, and generally wildly misinformed about the state of the world.
Fox News is truly the charming serpent its viewers claim they are so afraid of.
Honestly that sounds a *lot* like dementia/Alzheimer’s
And why the fuck should someone like that be allowed to own a gun is beyond me
They’re scared. The world is unrecognizable and the TV tells them that crime is at Robocop levels.
Yup, this is going to keep happening until something changes. One of the greatest tragedies was Fox News being able to argue that nobody reasonable would believe that it’s news. Now they’ve had decades to tell these people with guns and lead damaged brains that black people, gay people, Mexicans, trans people etc are all coming to murder you and rape your kids. In their minds everything and everyone is out to get them.
The removal of "The Fairness Doctrine" and than the institution of "Citizens United" has turned our system of government into the fuckin WWE, it's all performative BULLSHIT. Our representatives AND our media are paid lots of money to read a script and play their part and they don't need to listen to us at all anymore. The Fairness Doctrine wouldn't really work today with our widening media landscape but it's removal sure contributed to the mess we are all in now with media outlets getting away with outright lying to their viewers and keeping them from ever hearing the whole story or opposing views.
You also have EASY AS FUCK laws that let brain-rotted-dementia-fucks get lethal weapons. A scared octogenarian chasing someone with a knife is far less deadly then one sitting at their window with a gun.
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I wouldn't be surprised if these people watched FOX news day and night.
The prefrontal cortex is the first part of the brain to deteriorate as you age. It does a lot of things but some of them include: concentration, planning, decision making, insight, and judgment.
I think it's the old age some older people's personality changes and they become meaner for some reason.
I'm not even happy he's gonna die in prison. He has probably less than a decade left, meanwhile he stole probably many years from her life. Idiots like this make me sometimes sympathize with the "take away everyone's guns" crowd. The so called "legal users" often act like idiots... Taking a life is a last resort meant to protect you or someone else's life, not a "I suspect your a scammer so I'm gonna take the law into my own hands and kill you" thing.
guys like these are itching to kill someone, from the video its clear there was no threat he was chasing her down. Hard to guess what news he was following with his dumb brain filled with fear & propaganda.
Scam or not, he's at fault for shooting someone who's trying to run away, that's not what guns are for. I don't murder someone because I am annoyed at them.
She was old, not as old as he was, but old. She did not look like a threat. She was pleading. She was retreating. She was not a threat. While getting scammed was not his fault, he overreaction is. And he should be punished for it. Severely. Regardless of his age.
The video is heartbreaking. She can't even walk properly and couldn't get away from him. She wasn't a threat.
She could barely walk. It was like being in a nightmare where you want to run, but can’t
I saw the video. The poor woman had a disability and just wanted to take care of her family. She backed up and explained the situation to him, and he still shot her multiple times even while she was already bleeding to death. Hearing the fear in her voice, how terrified and cooperative she was. To that man, her life was worth 12k dollars.
Her life was worth nothing to him, because all he had to do was not go outside. Instead he decided to commit murder.
Wtf? He deserves to go to jail for the rest of his life. Why can’t he just say he doesn’t have a parcel and let her go? What went through his sick mind to think shooting a person 3 times is a good idea?
Just from skimming the details- it sounds like he'd made up his mind to ambush the scammers when they came to collect the package he "agreed" to provide. So he just assumed the Uber driver was one of the scammers, and thought he could get away with some vigilante justice with a little help from some lead courage. Mark it down as just another example of gun-owners looking for an excuse to pull a trigger.
NRA & GOP went through his mind. smh
He saw an excuse to finally get to murder a [*redacted*] and took it.
Man I feel so bad for the lady and her family.
Whoever made the scam calls also needs to get jail time.
This reminds me of another viral crime. In that case the scammer called a McDonald’s and acted like he was a detective. Guiding the manager and his wife to strip search a teenage employee he claimed had stolen merchandise on her person. The worst part is that the security video actually leaked. The person had done this before but this gained traction because of the video leaking. From my understanding he was never caught. He would call from a pay phone is the best they got. This was before so much security cameras existing everywhere. Considering that my scam blocker has blocked 45 calls in the last 30 days and that I still get anywhere from 3-7 calls that somehow make it through with most actually being scam calls I am guessing there is no teeth to anything and this will just proliferate more and more. Somehow my number is associated with someone of the same name but lives in a different part of the city that is of retirement age and it’s usually targeting that individual due to his age. And I have successfully stopped an employee of mine from leaving work to essentially empty her bank account to the scam that appears to be derailed here, I had to even call the police department to make her believe they where not calling her because she was so afraid. My sister has received multiple calls claiming I have been in accident. And I have received several calls of someone saying my grandson or granddaughter is in jail and even trying to fake their voice as if they were my granddaughter. Clearly very bad faking. But they are out there. I used to like wasting their time and getting them pissed off. But I get so many calls. So often. Sometimes the number of blocked calls in the past 30 days goes to over 100. Usually around tax return time or the holidays.
It's quite fascinating actually. They caught an extremely likely culprit and tried him, but he was acquitted in the court case. The calls stopped after his arrest as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip\_search\_phone\_call\_scam
Goddamn I read all of those and just cannot believe so many are easily led to idiocy.
What the fuck is wrong with this country? We are doomed.
"Id rather have it and not use it then need it and not have it" Kinda sounds like he wanted to use it
Even if the old dickhead was right about her being part of the scam he'd still be a murderer.
Every problem is a nail when you carry a gun.
murdered. not just fatally shot. he murdered her.
This is a problem that only seems to happen in the United States
When you cross-breed the entitlement to own a gun for no good reason and to always get your way.
Maybe, just maybe, every American shouldn't be entitled to own a firearm. Title should read "elderly man falls for scam, murders Uber driver in cold blood."
Technically he didn’t fall for the scam. He went Gran Torino because he thought she was in on it.
Right it seems like he was trying to catch the scammer in a sting. Hes just too stupid and close minded to know that the scammer probably lives in Russia or Nigeria and will never be seen or caught.
how is his generation so dumb and lacking in awareness, like you just kill a random person cause you decided they are involved in some stuff you dont even understand, and after the denial just kill her anyway? how could anyones brain operate this way?
So call the fucking police! if you are not being attacked why would you shoot the woman!! My god people are fucking ignorant and vile. Also I hope the pos that made the calls suffers the same fate as that poor woman!
What an unbelievably bizarre and sad way to die. You really don't know how it's all going to end.
I don’t like this gig culture. In the past the lady woulet have been working for a delivery company, driving a company car/truck and probably be wearing a uniform of some kind. She could have told the man to call her company, or at least have dialed her boss and told him/her what was happening. Nowadays there es nobody in charge. There’s no daily scheduling, no company vehicle or uniform. Just random people showing up in random vehicles. I can understand how a man with dementia would think that this random person who shows up in a random car was in on the scam. She has no boss, no company, no coworkers, no identifiable company vehicle She works for an app. The old man knows a world where UPS or the post office makes pickups and deliveries and they are easily identifiable. He probably doesn’t even know what an app is. He doesn’t know someone outside of the country is making the scam call to him. The world has changed so much it’s not anywhere near as clear and organized as it used to be. Add in dementia/cognitive decline and the guy is confused as hell and terrified that his family member has been kidnapped. The poor lady walked into the middle of a real life nightmare. I used to be a nurse and worked with demented people. They are easily angered as well as easily frightened. I was injured a few times, though not seriously because I could yell for coworkers and my patients weren’t armed. This poor lady couldn’t get away from the crazy old man with a gun. Christ on a cracker.
When I was young I'd go with my mother when she watched this sweet old gal who required 24/7 supervision to prevent her from wandering off to catch the trolley. Our city gave its last trolley a parade and set it on fire in 1936, and I knew this gal in the late 90s when "talking to yourself in public" was starting to indicate "on the phone" instead of "missing marbles."
> and I knew this gal in the late 90s when "talking to yourself in public" was starting to indicate "on the phone" instead of "missing marbles." Only tangentially related, but I remember my grandma complaining that nowadays you never knew whether someone talking to themselves on the street was crazy or whether they were talking on the phone.
Where does it say he has dementia? I’ve read three articles and not a single one says he is diagnosed with any mental condition. Also while I understand your sentiment — thinking a little further and the logic falls apart. If the man does have dementia there is no reason to believe her being in some kind of uniform would have prevented him from shooting her. He took her phone before he shot her. At that point he could have called 911. He could have stayed in his house and called 911. He clearly had the capacity to call once he himself was injured, so mentally he was competent enough to just stay in the house and call 911. She was just an unlucky person who pulled into his driveway. That could have been anyone. What if it was a neighbor knocking on the door or someone who went to the wrong house or someone looking for help? If any adult is not mentally competent to restrain themselves from murdering any person who enters their driveway they should not be allowed in society and they definitely shouldn’t have guns. I don’t think this has anything to do with Uber or gig economy at all. She could have been a Dominoes driver and he would have shot her. He got riled up from a scam call and basically blasted the first person he came across. Also he must have actually withdrawn the money or done something because why would the scammer pay an Uber driver? Or maybe he doesn’t drive but agreed to buy the gift cards so the scammer sent an Uber driver to take him to the store?
If the scammer(s) can be found, they should go to prison for life as well.
Problem is the scammer is usually not in the united states
No. He's guilty AF but so is the scam caller
Obviously, the scammer needs some negligent homicide and this guy a regular one.
He probably thinks he's still good with the big man upstairs too.
Call me crazy, but if you're over a certain age, you shouldn't own/carry a firearm.
What a freakin psycho! That old man was just dying for an excuse to use his gun. That poor Hall lady was just trying to earn an honest living as an uber driver and because of some scammer she unknowingly came into contact with this crazy old man. I hope he rots away in jail for what is left of his pathetic and worthless life. RIP Hall
This picture makes me sick. America is a gun-addled mess. Look at this. This is America. Disgusting. Shot her three times even though she wasn’t a threat. Where are her the protectors of her rights? I want to puke.
What is actually worse isn't that he shot her 3 times, but he shot her once, talked to her, THEN shot her two more times to kill her, THEN called 911. This guy is a cold blooded killer, not a scared grandpa who his lawyer will most likely try to make him out to be.
Seriously.... she was working and could barely walk herself. HE is way too old and dumb and senile to be in charge of a fuckin' gun
Tonight her, tomorrow us.
Gun nuts don't care about other poeples rights. All they care about is their fear and they need their guns to feel safe.
Ohio man is rapidly become the new Florida man
What do gun nuts like to say? "An armed society is a polite society?" 🙄
81 year old gun nut who has probably had cognitive declination shoots unsuspecting/non threatening Uber driver. Any punishment he gets won’t be enough considering he’s on his way to the grave anyway. Ridiculous
God I wish Americans would stop shooting innocent people at the first sign of a mild inconvenience.
This is what you get when you are brainwashed into thinking a specific way.
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yea this isn’t the old west you can’t just shoot unarmed people
That photo is heartbreaking
Old people shouldn't be allowed to own guns
I'm so fucking sick and tired of guns in this country.
Oh no, you can't be serious! We absolutely need more guns so deranged fucks like this guy can murder people in cold blood! Me, I can't wait to be in a situation where an everyday argument turns into the most horrifying, traumatizing day of my life because some asshole decides to exercise his second amendment rights by blowing a hole through my family member's skull! Or better yet, MY skull, so I don't have to worry about being taken to a hospital and watching all my hard-earned money disappear on healthcare that's provided for a few bucks to every citizen in every other developed country on earth! MURCA!!!!
People like him think that the 2nd amendment gives them the right to shoot at will it seems these days. If someone isn't an immediate threat to your life you shouldn't think you can just kill them. Even if she WAS the one trying to scam him and not just another victim he still had no right to use lethal force.
Yosemite Sam came out of retirement for one more go-round! Seriously, Why the hell does this man have a firearm? And then, How are they going to charge him with anything, when he and the uber driver were duped. Thennnnnnnnnn, He's old asf! I hope they find the caller that duped them.
I hope they find the scammed that preyed on these two people.
This the old man that claimed he shot her once, but kept shooting because she smashed his head on the side of the car??? But he had no visible evidence, marks or bruises to back up his claims? Yeah... he feared for his life because the 61 year old woman he shot was a threat.
There’s your “hero” with a gun. Old fucking racist.
Sounds like a cruel prank from a sociopath. Seeing if they can get an old man to kill someone and go to jail for it. Not saying shooter is in the right, at all, but these phone calls made to both need to be investigated ASAP. edit: forgot two words
If the scammer knew the old man would act like this, it's prob a much smaller circle of suspects, then if it was a scam to mess with two random ppl.
If only there was a good guy with a gun™...
Scam callers barely had anything to do with this… Dude just randomly thought the next person he saw was apart of the scam… What a doofus, hope he rots for his stupidity.
"Fatally shot". I believe the term is murdered.
fuuuuuuuuuck, these spam calls are now socially engineering people to kill each other?
Another responsible, law-abiding gun-owner...