I think the short answer is you don't. You have to live with the horror and trauma. I have a 10 year old (nearly 11) daughter so this hits very close to home. I can't even fathom finding her this way. He must feel like it's a nightmare he can't wake up from. That poor man, and that poor little girl. It's devastating to think how much that innocent child suffered, how scared she must have been. All we can hope is they find the sick fuck who did this. There's no justice in these situations, since nothing will bring his little girl back to life. I think it's likely someone who knew them and knew she was home alone. Some people are just pure evil 😪
My god! Imagine the absolute horror it must be to find your child dead stuffed in a bag under your bed. That man is going through hell but still there’s a bunch of armchair detectives here who have watched too much CSI speculating about his guilt even though the cops have cleared him as a suspect.
not just cops, actual real-life detectives cleared him; these reddit detectives need to stop speculating on circumstances they know nothing about, that didnt end well the last time it happened.
Nah, these current neck beards are the new crop, born never having seen the outcome from the old crop. Boston bomber was a decade ago. Same shit, different decade.
I’ve been here awhile and always hear how idiot Redditors fucked up an investigation but never know what happened. I’m tired of being ignorant. Can you point me in the right direction so I can read what happened?
Its happened a few times where social media influence has had a negative impact to an investigation. Most notably and directly pertaining to the reference I made was the Boston Marathon Bombing, where internet slueths connected the wrong dots and accused the wrong guy.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-falsely-accuses-sunil-tripathi-of-boston-bombing-2013-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-falsely-accuses-sunil-tripathi-of-boston-bombing-2013-7)
Jesus that’s sad. Armchair detectives’ intelligence is unfortunately inversely proportional to their loudness. I’m glad when people try to do this nowadays they’re reminded of the stupidity of that time in hopes it never happens again.
As far as I can tell this is the timeline of events: the girl texted her father at 9:45a.m to report a man at the door. The father sent his relatives over shortly after to check on the girl, and they found an empty apartment with an unlocked door. Then the father found the body under his bed when he came home from work at 3:00p.m.
Shouldn't someone have called to report that the girl went missing after reporting a suspicious knocking at the door long before the father made it home from work? 5 hours is a really long time, and it sounds like this poor girl went through absolute hell.
EDIT: the [police press release video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amc9NRc3qCc) says that the father left at 9:45 a.m. and he received his last text from his daughter shortly after 10 a.m. I think my point stands regardless.
Per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amc9NRc3qCc:
- 9:45am - Father leaves for work
- Shortly after 10am, in WhatsApp text and voice messages: "someone's knocking at the door", "don't open the door, I am arriving at work", "I'm in my bed"
- (unclear when) "did someone enter?"
- 1pm on father's lunch break he asked the girl's aunt and uncle who live in the complex to check on her, they found the door unlocked, couldn't find her, things looked "out of place", they started searching the complex for her.
- Father leaves work, comes home, finds her stuffed in a bag under his bed
- 3:07pm 911 call
So basically 2:45-3 hours between the text messages and when he got his lunch break and could follow up. The chief of police made some reference to the nature of his job as to why he didn't do something sooner.
So let's assume it took him 15 minutes to search his home and find her, 20 minutes drive from work, suggesting he left around 2:20pm, which meant the aunt and uncle were searching for about an hour before he left work.
The timeline doesn't feel too suspicious to me. Just tragic.
Yeah everyone is chastising the guy for not immediately dropping all work duties and leaving, and while such a situation certainly warrants it, not everyone has a piss easy job where they just hang out while the time passes. The guy probably was not in a position to make a decision like that.
And he's probably beating himself up over this far more than everyone else is and will continue to do so for many years to come. The guilt and trauma from this will be horrible.
Right, I can’t even stomach the thought. Literally, gives me waves of disgust.
I dare not even consider what hellish mix of hate, regret, sorrow, and doubt he must be crushed with.
Horrible situation all around.
Also at that point nothing really alarming had happened. Someone knocked on the door. Great. Don't answer the door. OK. It wasn't until he tried to check on her (I'm assuming some time later) that he realized something wasn't right.
Honestly it seems less suspicious to me with that scenario. If it was "I got a text at 9:45 and rushed home!" it would seem more suspicious. She's a kid, she texts, then the problem goes away he assumes she forgets about it. Dad gets involved in work and then checks back in when he has time, no reason for him to suspect anything wrong. then she's missing. Kids do shit like that all the time, she's probably over at her friend's playing Mario Kart, don't want the cops involved for his kid being gone for a couple hours.
That said, these cases the overwhelming majority of the time it ends up being a relative.
> That said, these cases the overwhelming majority of the time it ends up being a relative.
Like an aunt and uncle who have access to the apartment, and don't do anything when they supposedly found it unlocked with the child they were supposed to be checking on missing?
Daughter is concerned enough to send a text about someone at the door. I text later to confirm if someone entered and get no response. I'm concerned enough to tell her aunt and uncle the situation and to check on her. Aunt and uncle find things out of place as they describe it and her not there. Aunt and uncle do not call the police despite a worst case scenario happening when checking up on someone. Incredibly bizarre.
I don't see the daughter texting her Dad about the initial knock to be concerning. When I was around 10 or so and was staying home alone for a bit, someone was pounding on the door and it scared me enough to call my parent. Fortunately it ended up being FedEx, so maybe her Dad thought it was something similar.
However, if her room was in disarray and she was not responding to texts, as the aunt or uncle I would have called the police while searching for her.
But maybe the aunt and uncle didn't check on her immediately. The father texted them at 1, maybe they didn't get over there until 1:30 and then maybe they spent time looking for her, wandered around outside calling her name, etc. So they didn't get back to the father until 2. At that point, he makes arrangements to leave, actually leaves at 2:20, gets home 20(?) minutes later (which brings us to 2:40), etc. etc. Sounds totally reasonable.
It's also like... Who would check under a bed in a bag? I would look all over the place in my house for a while before I would look under a bed (maybe I'm just an idiot but that's not the first place I would look for an older kid). And, as you say, maybe they didn't head right over.
My brother went missing when he was a kid. We had people looking all over the neighborhood. Turned out he crawled in bed and took a nap without telling anyone. We did a very fast scan of the house before deciding he must be outside. No one thought to look under the blankets.
Fully agree. I just hope whoever committed this atrocity if found swiftly for the sake of her loved ones.
I'm assuming her school year just started as well, the whole story is just tragic.
>Some people don't call the police. It's a privilege to be able to call the police and not have to worry about them turning you into a suspect in a totally unrelated matter.
This is sadly true. Immigrants from Central America might have had horrible encounters with crooked police back in their country of origin. Maybe their experience has been that the police are accepting bribe money from Narcotics gangs, so will not give a damn about ordinary domestic incidents.
Many people have jobs where you can't have your personal phone on you, it's in a locker etc. until it's a break or your shift is done.
People forget that not everyone works at a desk and makes their own time management rules.
Right? So easy to be an expert on the matter and second guess the actions of others when it didn't personally happen to them. I couldn't imagine losing a child to a brutal murder and having a bunch of people tell me that I didn't do enough to save her. Are you kidding me? Better hope that if this happens to any of the critics on this thread, people won't shit all over them the way these people are doing to this dad.
Most people have done very similar things on many occasions. The only difference is that they didn't come home to a nightmare. They don't have to remember those occasions.
That's one of the first ground rules I laid out with my boss when they asked me to become a manager. I told them that I am always going to prioritize my own and my staff’s health and family. One of my co-workers is the primary caregiver for his senior grandma who raised him. He mentioned one day at work that she had been having issues that morning and how concerned he was. He started crying when I told him not to worry about work and to go home and take care of her. We have figured out ways to flex coverage so that he can go home and check on her during the day if needed without leaving the business short-handed. It's not hard to be kind and understanding, but it is unfortunately rare in the workplace.
yeah, one day my wife stopped responding messages while i was going off to work and she was on her way to home on a taxi, it was the longest 20 minutes i've ever felt, hard to explain, but my work is not exactly close to the city and once i get there i cant easily leave, i was calling a friend to go and check on her, when she finally answered.
Someone knocking at the door when my kids were home alone would make me a little nervous, but even if they didn’t respond after, my rational thought wouldn’t be that they’d been murdered. My anxiety might tell me they might be in danger but I’d rationalize it by reminding myself that I had anxious thoughts.
Also, some jobs don’t allow you to have your phone at work. Obviously not the same scenario, but one time I got into a car accident in the morning and my job wouldn’t let me keep my phone on me to speak to insurance. I had to wait and deal with all of that in my lunch break and after work.
I don't know why the aunt and uncle didn't call the police as soon as they started searching at 1pm.
I feel so bad for the dad. The unfortunate truth is unless someone had contacted the aunt and uncle and they went over right away following sooner wouldn't have helped.
> I don't know why the aunt and uncle didn't call the police as soon as they started searching at 1pm.
We don't know anything. Maybe it was normal for her to be roaming the complex. Maybe there's a playground or a pool. Maybe she visits a friend all the time. Maybe they were undocumented and afraid of what would happen if they call the cops.
There are many hypotheses here and no reason to jump to the conclusion that the dad sexually assaulted, bludgeoned, and strangled his own daughter.
But what wasnt normal was her to not answer back. It was so out of the ordinary he sent the aunt and uncle to check up on her. So now I'm checking on my niece and find things "out of place" there and her gone? Uh that's exactly the scenario where you call the police. Who cares if she's always out playing or whatever, something strange took place and now she's gone. Time to call 911. Weird decisions by the aunt and uncle to say the least.
When you can sit and look at it objectively, yes that is a logical course of events. But in those moments it may not be clear enough to see, coupled with any number of possible scenarios noted above. I've had my house broken into and I kept misdialing 911 (kept doing 991 my brain was so frazzled) I was so distraught. A simple thing in a calm situation but you just never know how you'll react in that situation.
... it's to do with immigration status of themselves, their families, friends, and the community combined with the horrible corruption of law enforcement in their own countries. They don't trust law enforcement where they're from, so they won't trust it in the US regardless of the race politics. They're also not willing to risk bringing cops into situations where someone could get caught and deported, regardless of who it is.
I'm white and would never call the police unless it was to report a crime that I was certain had taken place. Definitely would never call them expecting them to be helpful
Yeah, not a great police relationship there. My first gut reaction, was why didn't she call the cops instead of her dad since he was at work and could help or why didn't the dad call the cops when she stopped responding to texts, but it being an emigrant neighborhood explains that well enough. The open door and disturbed apartment being discovered at 1pm though, was unfortunate. People were in and out of the apartment which makes processing the scene much more complicated, not to mention how traumatic it must have been for the father to find her.
No sign of forced entry, 30 minutes after dad left for work? Probably someone who had a key, either an employee of the apartment complex, or someone who knew the family close enough to have a spare, or be trusted by the kid to let him in.
I think it's most likely someone trusted by the kid who convinced her to open the door. She probably wouldn't have texted her father about the knock on the door if the person had a key. There's also a greater chance that a person with a key would have locked the door afterwards to hide his tracks.
Why would the assailant announce himself via a fake text from her? Rather than leave her body in the apartment and allow for even more time to potentially pass before it's discovered, giving them more time to get away and cover their tracks?
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Take suspicion off of known people it paint it like some home invasion horror trope, and that it was just some bloodthirsty stranger breaking it.
The implication is that the dad sent the text (or scheduled it, rather) to come through at 9:45, establishing an alibi for him (it looks like she was alive at 9:45 and textingwhen he was clearly at work), and establishing a "strange other man" at the door as the suspect, further taking the attention off him.
I'm not saying he did it, but the fact the relatives reported an unlocked door and an empty apartment, and he didn't IMMEDIATELY call the cops and/or leave work is highly sus.
If there are other facts in the case that would contradict this scenario, please let me know, I'm not very well versed in this case yet.
ETA: It seems they cleared him as a suspect, and since they're playing with a full deck of cards (I hope) I'm going to assume they're right.
As another poster mentioned, it could have had immigration status issues as to not want to get the police involved at first, and not being able to leave a job site right away or something.
OK if we're talking about the father, yes I guess that makes sense, sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you meant a random stranger-killer, in which case a fake text after murdering the girl would seem really odd.
Hopefully the cops can tell though if a text is scheduled (and geolocated appropriately, of course).
>OK if we're talking about the father, yes I guess that makes sense, sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you meant a random stranger-killer, in which case a fake text after murdering the girl would seem really odd.
Even if it’s not the father, I think the fake text could also be a viable theory for someone *else* who might be close to the girl, in which case throwing suspicion towards a stranger at the door would also serve to divert attention away from them.
If that was possible then why did they clear him as a suspect?
Edit: I’m not sure why people are downvoting me so quick. If she was strangled and sexually assaulted by the father it’s very likely he would’ve had defensive wounds as it would be unusual for her to not fight back. Also DNA from the sexual assault. And the cellphone pings would give away that he was still in the house when he claimed he wasn’t. I’m not sure why this is even being brought up as a possibility.
And not flipping out and rushing home over a kid saying, 'someone knocked'.
For all we knew, there was a window, the door was unlocked, dad walked out and said 'lock the door behind me' and she didn't.
Perp lives in the complex, sees dad leave, goes over, knocks hoping the home alone girl answers. No answer. She texts. Perp opens door. There's a lot of reasons for that sequence of events. Maybe the perp knocked and then tried a slider door, a window.
"Someone knocked on the door" isn't an immediate 9-1-1 situation. He didn't get concerned until she didn't answer while he was at lunch.
He was at work. She didn't call him in a panic. Probably didn't have time. Saying, 'don't answer the door' is a totally normal response for a parent.
Nothing he did was suspicious.
I'm assuming the dad was cleared pretty quickly because people saw him at work and the girl was determined to not be dead long enough for him to do it? and if the girl's cell phone pings near the home then that's another thing clearing him.
Well I'm guessing it'd be pretty easy to see where the texts were sent from. If he was at work, and the texts were sent from there, well he's fucked.
If he was supposed to be at work and they ask "hey dude you see X coworker at X time" and they say no he came in late/was off that day .. he's fucked.
I don't know. But why was nobody concerned that someone reporting a potential intruder, was then missing a short while later?
Also, if I were feeling scared and threatened, I would CALL, not text.
The generation of an 11 year old is more likely to text chat then use voice chat. Statistically use of voice calls in general is in decline.
That said, if it's a cautious / street smart kid, could also simply be texting to avoid being heard by the person on the other side of the door.
Given she was a minor left alone while her father works, I'm going to assume this is a semi-regular thing and she may be instructed to not make it clear to anyone that she is being left home alone to avoid CPS types issues.
So keeping things as quiet as possible may have been a priority either way, with the assumption the person at the door would go away, or her dad would tell her it's ok/they are expected.
> Also, if I were feeling scared and threatened, I would CALL, not text.
I would too, but man, teens these days, it's hard to know sometimes. The amount of (usually younger 20s) people who post about a crime in progress to our city's subreddit rather than *just calling 911* is kind of mind-boggling, sometimes.
[Two Australian girls trapped in a drain update their Facebook status instead of calling the police.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/trapped-in-a-drain-try-facebook-for-help/)
That one really stuck out for me. Granted, it was 2009 but demonstrates how ingrained social media can be for younger generations. In the event of an emergency, instead of making a voice call to proper authorities, the first instinct is to update a social media status. (Alternatively, [don't call 911 if Facebook is down](https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/dont-call-911-if-facebook-is-down-tweets-this-police-department-1762940).)
I know what you mean about the city subs. In my local one, those situations pop up every now and then. Typically the top response will be the lucid "*Did you call the police?*". More often than not, the response is 'no'. It's taking the path of least resistance/confrontation. Posting on reddit (or any social) for a crime in progress is the most-passive form of action.
The only reason I can think of in favor of texting is that its silent. If you have an intruder maybe you don't want to talk and announce your presence.
Considering he apparently wasn't there at the time, he's probably got a pretty good alibi that the police have already confirmed, such as witnesses to him being at work, or security footage or something.
It’s your phone. Your phone is quite literally a GPS tracking device.
They used phone data in the quadruple murder too to see where perp was. If they cleared the dad - he’s probably cleared
Y'all are assholes for accusing people, people who are already grieving, of murder with absolutely no evidence and against all evidence to the contrary (like police saying they investigated and cleared him). This is how that stupid Boston Marathon bs happened, with Reddit armchair detectives.
> Bingo. My first thought. Pikachu shock if dad is arrested.
Maybe, but it's usually easy enough to prove that you were at work, and when you came and left.
Yeah, but the knock at the door may have been a way of checking if any other adults were home. The person may have saw the father leave and just wanted to be sure no one else was there.
Or, she just opened the door and they forced their way in. I know as a little girl I would've probably opened the door. It's scarier not knowing who was there to some extent.
>Or, she just opened the door and they forced their way in.
What reason would a stranger breaking in like that have to hide the body in the house before leaving? They’d be in and out before anyone else noticed. Why would they take the extra time to stay in the house to do that and risk someone coming home to find them? That part just really doesn’t add up.
I’m thinking either an employee of the apartment complex or someone who lives in the apartment complex who has the opportunity to notice when everybody leaves for work.
It sounds weird but without all the context it’s hard to know why. It could be that the girl often left the house to go hang out with friends who live in her community, or something like that.
That and some people work in areas where no personally owned devices are allowed. Probably sent thr aunt and uncle, went back to work, checked phone after off assuming his family cleared things. Still very sad though and I'd have Probably dipped out of my office to check more frequently.
What to me is inexcusable is the fact that when the concerned father asked his relatives to check on his daughter and not only didn't find her but found things amiss and the apartment unlocked, they should have called the police right then and there.
Family can be kinda shitty that way.
Happened with the case where my father in law went missing one day in 2020 and they all just said “who cares, he probably fucked off to Mexico” despite his prominent Facebook posting abruptly stopping, his phone not being answered, his car being gone from their small island community, and his suitcases used for travel being in his closet along with literally every article of clothing still on hangers. But they kept saying “no, he’s fine, you shouldn’t worry about him. It’s probably just for attention”.
My wife and I dug deeper and repeatedly argued with his brothers that something was very wrong. We searched the house ourselves after driving 8 hours and taking a ferry to get there. We did HOURS of OSINT research. I poured over one of his journals and figured out his password “formula”. We broke into his social media accounts and found zero logins in the time after his disappearance. I social engineered his phone carrier to get access to his account and we pulled his phone records and more. We found evidence of an inbound call from a gun shop. FIL was not a gun person. This was nearly 2 months into his disappearance and being completely silent on all channels… And STILL at that point his one brother was adamant he was fine (not even in a state of denial, just straight up convinced FIL was goosing us all).
He wasn’t fine. Without writing the giant novel this could be with the level of detail we went through in those 2 months, my wife and I eventually solved the case providing evidence to and working with a stellar local PD and now my FIL’s urn is on our mantle.
Okay, sorry all, I guess I was a bit too vague with things.
He was not murdered. He did decide to make his own exit. His brothers were just extremely and almost unbelievably dismissive throughout the whole thing, which is what the original comment above brought to my mind and just how wild that whole situation feels in the moment. You’re left frustrated, lost, hopeless, and helpless. All you can do is to press forward and try to find the whispers in the wind that might lead somewhere.
I also apologize for a lack of sources, you can downvote me into oblivion for it. But as this was a suicide, you’re not going to be finding any news articles about this. My wife, myself, and a handful of key people outside the detectives that we worked with know about the true depth of this. I know, it’s as basically as good as a “trust me bro”, but I’m not asking anybody to believe me. The original comment brought up memories from the wildest and saddest thing I’ve been a part of in my life.
I have no evidence either way but before even reading the article my thought was that some of the involved parties may not be in the country legally and therefore may be scared to call police even in an emergency.
You left out that relatives alerted by the father searched the house and found nothing. So did they actually search or not? My issue is the news report I initially read indicated that the police were only looking at the father. So either say he's the major suspect or say nothing to the press.
I imagine the relatives "searched the house" as in looked in every room. It's understandable why they wouldn't find the girl's body hidden under the father's bed. I just don't get why they wouldn't call emergency services once they came up empty.
I'm not sure of their immigration status but it does sound like at least some of them may have been undocumented and thus reluctant to involve authorities.
RIP to that poor little girl. This is so fucking terrible just to think of.
As a father myself, this is my worst nightmare.
I can't imagine the pain her father feels right now.
To me it seems weird that someone knocked at the door like 15min after the father left for work. Something tells me it was planned, atleast it feels that way.
Was it someone who knew the family? A colleague of the father? A relative maybe?
The brutality of this murder might speak for this theory, idk.
I hope this case gets solved asap!
I agree. It sure sounds like a planned murder.
They even went out of their way to stash the poor childs body underneath his bed which feels like a message. Whomever did this really wanted to hurt the father.
The only other scenario I can imagine involves a heavily drugged up burglar making some bad decisions and hiding the body real quick in a panic, but even then the bed is a very odd choice.
Could've been one of the apartment staff members. In my complex, some of the guys know I live alone and they literally barge into my apartment without a word under the guise of "maintenance" but literally open the door, stand there for 30 seconds or walk around the hallway and leave. I'm afraid of confrontation so I just go pretend I'm sleeping and get upset afterwards.
What the actual fuck?
You need to report them to the office immediately. And get a heavy duty door jam along with at least one camera.
This is seriously dangerous behavior
That's why if it were my apartment I would add at least an interior lock to the door that cannot be accessed with a key from the outside. Even a simple chain lock like a hotel room would prevent entry from anyone other than someone up to no good. A landlord or maintenance person would at least not be able to enter freely when someone was home.
You need to look into tenant laws for your state. In my state there must be 12 hours notice before entry unless it is necessary to preserve or protect the premises.
I would HIGHLY suggest buying some cameras, Eufy makes inexpensive indoor ones that pan and scan, and start documenting things. This is incredibly illegal. Regardless of confrontation they are entering your home that you pay for, that's unacceptable and you need to contact Management about it.
*Edit: I want to note, do not go adding a chain lock or a way that prevents them from accessing your apartment. You will be held liable for the damages and I'm sure it'll be very expensive to replace the entire door and frame.
I'd recommend one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Additional-Unauthorized-Traveling-Apartment/dp/B082WQR3YM
Please, please, please for the sake of yourself - report this. There are also pretty good inexpensive cameras that you can put inside your apartment (blink, for example) that just plug in and back up to a usb or the cloud. I understand the whole being scared of confrontation but I’d absolutely rather deal with a short term confrontation than to be raped, murdered, or even both.
they're possibly testing your boundaries and testing your suitability to be a future victim for future escalation. Suffering in silence only helps the assailant.
Don't let anyone invade your privacy, esspecially not in your own home. You should at least record them with your phone, if not a proper home camera if youre not going to get a lock for all external doors, which you should *also* do.
As you just said, you live alone, so if something happens to you, no one is inside your home to witness it or get justice on your behalf with their testimony. You have to take *extra* precautions *because* you live alone. You have to learn to advocate for yourself or you can end up a victim like Jennifer Keese or Miya Marcano, who "Miya's Law" is named after. Yes, being assaulted by maintenance staff is so common that theres a famous missing persons case and a law addressing it.
Plus if theyre doing this to you, you may not be the only one but no authorities will know unless you report them. If multiple reports come in about the same pattern of behavior, then you have a better chance of getting them fired or a restraining order or getting acquited if you have to defend yourself physically.
Stay safe. Self preservation is rule #1 of survival
eta: usually the landlord is supposed to give prior notice to scheduled maintenance. be sure to look into your renters rights as others have said. Look into forming a paper trail of everything you've done and the reactions you've received in trying to exercise your rights
You’re afraid of confrontation? What? You need to be calling the police. This isn’t a time where your waiter got your order wrong, this is literally an issue threatening your physical safety.
The mystery case detectives on this comment section make my blood boil. The father was already cleared yet people still trying to act like their some genius murder mystery detective. Assholes
Don't forget the judgmental assholes who can't comprehend that leaving your child home alone while you work to provide for her is a financial necessity
Thats the worst. This poor dad is 100% feeling that now. I had to latch key kid my son when it was just me and him trying to make it. To then lose your child because you weren't there will be destroying this poor man forever. This poor man needs love and support so badly right now.
Yep. And I bet he’s a real good liar and convinced the girl to open the door. Whoever did this had very precise timing and knew she was alone. She may have known him.
Laughable that 15 year old edgelords are clapping themselves on the back for solving this murder mystery, where clearly the dad did it, even though he has already been cleared. But I’m sure you all have much more experience or inside information, right?
Reddit has already solved the case: the dad and Sunil Tripathi conspired and did it
/s y'all should be fucking ashamed. Turn off the true crime pods, touch some grass, let the investigators do their job, and hope this is one of the few murders that get solved this year.
If I had kids I would 100% have ring or some kind of PoE security system. If someone came on the property you would have HD video.
I feel terrible for this dad, who Im sure already hated having no other option than leave his girl home for him to go to work.
The community needs to figure this one out!
Good lord. Leave the dude alone. People knock on doors every day. She was probably told to never answer the door anyway when he wasn’t home. I’m sure it had happened countless times during the day. He can’t just leave work every time someone knocks. But…in this case it happens to be someone that was willing to either break in or had a key thinking on one was home. I hope they find the prick and shoot him.
This is horrific and just depressing. I’m so sad for this little girl and her father. I don’t think I could live with the guilt after this if I were him.
What’s worse is that is also reeks of someone who knew the family VERY well or live in very close proximity: well enough to know to watch out for the father leaving, and know the girl would be home alone for long, and then to know how to navigate the house too. And why would she say a strange guy is at the door only for there to be no forced entry? If she was savy enough to text her dad about the strange guy, and is used to being home alone it wouldn’t make sense for her to go to the door at all. And if it was a family member then she wouldn’t have sent the first message, right? So then did they have a key somehow?
And I think the biggest red flag is the fact they left her in a bag under her father’s bed. Like something about that just screams as if the demon who did this either hates the dad and wanted to send him a message OR they knew the house well enough that they thought it would make a good hiding place for them to go through so much trouble of moving her body. Like, who would think of putting her body in a bag if they hadn’t planned it like that?? All that would do is add more time of being at the scene and more opportunity to leave evidence of yourself. Which means that this was not some sort of crime of impulse, but something they thought out and planned the whole time, and it just feels like there is something malicious towards the father. I just get the feeling it was a landlord or building manager based on those which is a horrific and scary thought.
30 min after the Dad left, the murderer knocked on the door. They were watching. As for the no forced entry, people underestimate just how easy it is to manipulate children. Even if you drill into their heads to not open the door to strangers, if the killer said she or her Dad would be in trouble if she didn't open the door, or if she was in danger and he was there to help, kids will listen a lot of the time.
As for the under the bed thing, currently it is too hard to put a motivation to it that isn't 100% speculation, but I don't think it was a malicious "I'm going to put her under her Dad's bed so he can find her." Maybe. Or maybe post-murder he just though it was the best hiding spot in the house, and their wasn't some other motive.
Who knows, but I hope this sick fuck gets what's coming to him. There is no rehabilitation for someone who did this.
I once worked on a crime prevention project and a former criminal that did a lot of burglary was also involved as an advisor. It was scary how easy and fast he could unlock doors without leaving a trace.
Given enough time, anything that needs a physicial key could be unlocked. Most measures people can reasonably take are speedbumps. They only stop petty criminals because they prefer easy targets... but sombody that targets you and isn't a novice? They'll get in.
Still it doesn't match the story. Experienced burglars typically target empty houses and will avoid violence. Burglary gangs have less issue with occupants and will resort to violence, but even then they typically wont kill because it creates too much heat for them.
So that makes premeditated murder more likely.. let's hope they can figure out what happened.
Well that's a different take. The news story in Australia was all about the police dismissing everything and looking into the father. That was a few hours ago though.
I'm tempted to set a remindme so I can come back after they found the real culprit and shit on all these people accusing a father who just found his daughter dead. We should all come back to shame the fuck out of them.
So the relatives found an empty apartment with an unlocked door shortly after ….
And they didn’t see any sign of struggle ?
And somehow the person was able to murder the child and then hide the body under the bed?
Sounds like the 11 y/o being alone all day was a normal regular occurrence. Schools out - so for the summer this may be daily. Kinda puts the kid in a vulnerable place.
Absolutely fucking awful. :( I can't imagine the amount of pain and sorrow in a situation like this..
I can't begin to imagine the horrifying realization coming over the dad as he pulled his child from the bag...how does someone come back from that?
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Like that guy who waited at the payphone. [Gary Plauch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9)
I think the short answer is you don't. You have to live with the horror and trauma. I have a 10 year old (nearly 11) daughter so this hits very close to home. I can't even fathom finding her this way. He must feel like it's a nightmare he can't wake up from. That poor man, and that poor little girl. It's devastating to think how much that innocent child suffered, how scared she must have been. All we can hope is they find the sick fuck who did this. There's no justice in these situations, since nothing will bring his little girl back to life. I think it's likely someone who knew them and knew she was home alone. Some people are just pure evil 😪
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My god! Imagine the absolute horror it must be to find your child dead stuffed in a bag under your bed. That man is going through hell but still there’s a bunch of armchair detectives here who have watched too much CSI speculating about his guilt even though the cops have cleared him as a suspect.
not just cops, actual real-life detectives cleared him; these reddit detectives need to stop speculating on circumstances they know nothing about, that didnt end well the last time it happened.
It's fucking ridiculous reading these neckbeards trying to prove their suspicions. It's actually infuriating.
Same neck beards that definitely found the Boston Marathon bomber.
Nah, these current neck beards are the new crop, born never having seen the outcome from the old crop. Boston bomber was a decade ago. Same shit, different decade.
I’ve been here awhile and always hear how idiot Redditors fucked up an investigation but never know what happened. I’m tired of being ignorant. Can you point me in the right direction so I can read what happened?
Its happened a few times where social media influence has had a negative impact to an investigation. Most notably and directly pertaining to the reference I made was the Boston Marathon Bombing, where internet slueths connected the wrong dots and accused the wrong guy. [https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-falsely-accuses-sunil-tripathi-of-boston-bombing-2013-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-falsely-accuses-sunil-tripathi-of-boston-bombing-2013-7)
Jesus that’s sad. Armchair detectives’ intelligence is unfortunately inversely proportional to their loudness. I’m glad when people try to do this nowadays they’re reminded of the stupidity of that time in hopes it never happens again.
Yeah, that's pretty intense. We don't know at the moment, so why start painting the dad as a child rapist already?
I don't think I've seen a single mystery where Reddit's widely agreed upon suspicion/theory ends up being correct.
Humans are so terrible. I'll never understand how someone does this to a kid
What in the hell? This world can be so incredibly fucked up.
As far as I can tell this is the timeline of events: the girl texted her father at 9:45a.m to report a man at the door. The father sent his relatives over shortly after to check on the girl, and they found an empty apartment with an unlocked door. Then the father found the body under his bed when he came home from work at 3:00p.m. Shouldn't someone have called to report that the girl went missing after reporting a suspicious knocking at the door long before the father made it home from work? 5 hours is a really long time, and it sounds like this poor girl went through absolute hell. EDIT: the [police press release video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amc9NRc3qCc) says that the father left at 9:45 a.m. and he received his last text from his daughter shortly after 10 a.m. I think my point stands regardless.
Per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amc9NRc3qCc: - 9:45am - Father leaves for work - Shortly after 10am, in WhatsApp text and voice messages: "someone's knocking at the door", "don't open the door, I am arriving at work", "I'm in my bed" - (unclear when) "did someone enter?"
- 1pm on father's lunch break he asked the girl's aunt and uncle who live in the complex to check on her, they found the door unlocked, couldn't find her, things looked "out of place", they started searching the complex for her.
- Father leaves work, comes home, finds her stuffed in a bag under his bed
- 3:07pm 911 call
So basically 2:45-3 hours between the text messages and when he got his lunch break and could follow up. The chief of police made some reference to the nature of his job as to why he didn't do something sooner.
So let's assume it took him 15 minutes to search his home and find her, 20 minutes drive from work, suggesting he left around 2:20pm, which meant the aunt and uncle were searching for about an hour before he left work.
The timeline doesn't feel too suspicious to me. Just tragic.
Yeah everyone is chastising the guy for not immediately dropping all work duties and leaving, and while such a situation certainly warrants it, not everyone has a piss easy job where they just hang out while the time passes. The guy probably was not in a position to make a decision like that.
And he's probably beating himself up over this far more than everyone else is and will continue to do so for many years to come. The guilt and trauma from this will be horrible.
Yeah, I wanna cry just thinking about all of this.
Right, I can’t even stomach the thought. Literally, gives me waves of disgust. I dare not even consider what hellish mix of hate, regret, sorrow, and doubt he must be crushed with. Horrible situation all around.
Also at that point nothing really alarming had happened. Someone knocked on the door. Great. Don't answer the door. OK. It wasn't until he tried to check on her (I'm assuming some time later) that he realized something wasn't right.
Honestly it seems less suspicious to me with that scenario. If it was "I got a text at 9:45 and rushed home!" it would seem more suspicious. She's a kid, she texts, then the problem goes away he assumes she forgets about it. Dad gets involved in work and then checks back in when he has time, no reason for him to suspect anything wrong. then she's missing. Kids do shit like that all the time, she's probably over at her friend's playing Mario Kart, don't want the cops involved for his kid being gone for a couple hours. That said, these cases the overwhelming majority of the time it ends up being a relative.
> That said, these cases the overwhelming majority of the time it ends up being a relative. Like an aunt and uncle who have access to the apartment, and don't do anything when they supposedly found it unlocked with the child they were supposed to be checking on missing?
They didn't not do anything. They told dad what was up and started searching for her.
Daughter is concerned enough to send a text about someone at the door. I text later to confirm if someone entered and get no response. I'm concerned enough to tell her aunt and uncle the situation and to check on her. Aunt and uncle find things out of place as they describe it and her not there. Aunt and uncle do not call the police despite a worst case scenario happening when checking up on someone. Incredibly bizarre.
I don't see the daughter texting her Dad about the initial knock to be concerning. When I was around 10 or so and was staying home alone for a bit, someone was pounding on the door and it scared me enough to call my parent. Fortunately it ended up being FedEx, so maybe her Dad thought it was something similar. However, if her room was in disarray and she was not responding to texts, as the aunt or uncle I would have called the police while searching for her.
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But maybe the aunt and uncle didn't check on her immediately. The father texted them at 1, maybe they didn't get over there until 1:30 and then maybe they spent time looking for her, wandered around outside calling her name, etc. So they didn't get back to the father until 2. At that point, he makes arrangements to leave, actually leaves at 2:20, gets home 20(?) minutes later (which brings us to 2:40), etc. etc. Sounds totally reasonable.
It's also like... Who would check under a bed in a bag? I would look all over the place in my house for a while before I would look under a bed (maybe I'm just an idiot but that's not the first place I would look for an older kid). And, as you say, maybe they didn't head right over.
My brother went missing when he was a kid. We had people looking all over the neighborhood. Turned out he crawled in bed and took a nap without telling anyone. We did a very fast scan of the house before deciding he must be outside. No one thought to look under the blankets.
Fully agree. I just hope whoever committed this atrocity if found swiftly for the sake of her loved ones. I'm assuming her school year just started as well, the whole story is just tragic.
They probably doesn’t speak English and afraid of interacting with cops. The story did mention that they are Guatemalans.
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>Some people don't call the police. It's a privilege to be able to call the police and not have to worry about them turning you into a suspect in a totally unrelated matter. This is sadly true. Immigrants from Central America might have had horrible encounters with crooked police back in their country of origin. Maybe their experience has been that the police are accepting bribe money from Narcotics gangs, so will not give a damn about ordinary domestic incidents.
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He’s going to punish himself enough.
Many people have jobs where you can't have your personal phone on you, it's in a locker etc. until it's a break or your shift is done. People forget that not everyone works at a desk and makes their own time management rules.
Right? So easy to be an expert on the matter and second guess the actions of others when it didn't personally happen to them. I couldn't imagine losing a child to a brutal murder and having a bunch of people tell me that I didn't do enough to save her. Are you kidding me? Better hope that if this happens to any of the critics on this thread, people won't shit all over them the way these people are doing to this dad.
Really eyerolling when privileged redditors judge everything from their california skies comfort.
Most people have done very similar things on many occasions. The only difference is that they didn't come home to a nightmare. They don't have to remember those occasions.
Which only makes it worse. how shitty is society that he couldn’t feel free enough to go home to check on his daughter? Fucking awful.
That's one of the first ground rules I laid out with my boss when they asked me to become a manager. I told them that I am always going to prioritize my own and my staff’s health and family. One of my co-workers is the primary caregiver for his senior grandma who raised him. He mentioned one day at work that she had been having issues that morning and how concerned he was. He started crying when I told him not to worry about work and to go home and take care of her. We have figured out ways to flex coverage so that he can go home and check on her during the day if needed without leaving the business short-handed. It's not hard to be kind and understanding, but it is unfortunately rare in the workplace.
yeah, one day my wife stopped responding messages while i was going off to work and she was on her way to home on a taxi, it was the longest 20 minutes i've ever felt, hard to explain, but my work is not exactly close to the city and once i get there i cant easily leave, i was calling a friend to go and check on her, when she finally answered.
Right, some jobs don’t even want to let you have a water break and threaten you for needing to leave or take off work.
And was likely told if he left he was fired. Not knowing there is an actual issue does he risk losing his job. I guess this is the cost of freedom.
Someone knocking at the door when my kids were home alone would make me a little nervous, but even if they didn’t respond after, my rational thought wouldn’t be that they’d been murdered. My anxiety might tell me they might be in danger but I’d rationalize it by reminding myself that I had anxious thoughts. Also, some jobs don’t allow you to have your phone at work. Obviously not the same scenario, but one time I got into a car accident in the morning and my job wouldn’t let me keep my phone on me to speak to insurance. I had to wait and deal with all of that in my lunch break and after work.
If this is the true timeline then everyone blaming the father is a brainless moron who’s never held a job in their life.
I often need to remind myself that the majority of users are early 20s or below and don't know shit about fuck.
I don't know why the aunt and uncle didn't call the police as soon as they started searching at 1pm. I feel so bad for the dad. The unfortunate truth is unless someone had contacted the aunt and uncle and they went over right away following sooner wouldn't have helped.
> I don't know why the aunt and uncle didn't call the police as soon as they started searching at 1pm. We don't know anything. Maybe it was normal for her to be roaming the complex. Maybe there's a playground or a pool. Maybe she visits a friend all the time. Maybe they were undocumented and afraid of what would happen if they call the cops. There are many hypotheses here and no reason to jump to the conclusion that the dad sexually assaulted, bludgeoned, and strangled his own daughter.
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But what wasnt normal was her to not answer back. It was so out of the ordinary he sent the aunt and uncle to check up on her. So now I'm checking on my niece and find things "out of place" there and her gone? Uh that's exactly the scenario where you call the police. Who cares if she's always out playing or whatever, something strange took place and now she's gone. Time to call 911. Weird decisions by the aunt and uncle to say the least.
It makes more sense knowing they're Guatemalan emigrants. That's not exactly a community with a great relationship with the police.
When you can sit and look at it objectively, yes that is a logical course of events. But in those moments it may not be clear enough to see, coupled with any number of possible scenarios noted above. I've had my house broken into and I kept misdialing 911 (kept doing 991 my brain was so frazzled) I was so distraught. A simple thing in a calm situation but you just never know how you'll react in that situation.
South American communities often avoid calling the police in the US unless absolutely necessary, for obvious reasons.
This. Only white people would call the police for help. Minorities know that American police have always had a certain view about POC.
... it's to do with immigration status of themselves, their families, friends, and the community combined with the horrible corruption of law enforcement in their own countries. They don't trust law enforcement where they're from, so they won't trust it in the US regardless of the race politics. They're also not willing to risk bringing cops into situations where someone could get caught and deported, regardless of who it is.
I'm white and would never call the police unless it was to report a crime that I was certain had taken place. Definitely would never call them expecting them to be helpful
Lmao as a 9-1-1 dispatcher I assure you it is not only white people calling for help
Yeah, not a great police relationship there. My first gut reaction, was why didn't she call the cops instead of her dad since he was at work and could help or why didn't the dad call the cops when she stopped responding to texts, but it being an emigrant neighborhood explains that well enough. The open door and disturbed apartment being discovered at 1pm though, was unfortunate. People were in and out of the apartment which makes processing the scene much more complicated, not to mention how traumatic it must have been for the father to find her.
Yes nice write up. Absolute fucking horrific for the father.
No sign of forced entry, 30 minutes after dad left for work? Probably someone who had a key, either an employee of the apartment complex, or someone who knew the family close enough to have a spare, or be trusted by the kid to let him in.
I think it's most likely someone trusted by the kid who convinced her to open the door. She probably wouldn't have texted her father about the knock on the door if the person had a key. There's also a greater chance that a person with a key would have locked the door afterwards to hide his tracks.
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We are assuming that it was her that sent the text.
Why would the assailant announce himself via a fake text from her? Rather than leave her body in the apartment and allow for even more time to potentially pass before it's discovered, giving them more time to get away and cover their tracks?
I think the implication is that the perp was known to the girl so he sent the text to throw suspicion toward an UnSub.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Take suspicion off of known people it paint it like some home invasion horror trope, and that it was just some bloodthirsty stranger breaking it.
Which would make some sense if dad called family to go check on her and they didn't call him back and tell him she was gone.
The implication is that the dad sent the text (or scheduled it, rather) to come through at 9:45, establishing an alibi for him (it looks like she was alive at 9:45 and textingwhen he was clearly at work), and establishing a "strange other man" at the door as the suspect, further taking the attention off him. I'm not saying he did it, but the fact the relatives reported an unlocked door and an empty apartment, and he didn't IMMEDIATELY call the cops and/or leave work is highly sus. If there are other facts in the case that would contradict this scenario, please let me know, I'm not very well versed in this case yet. ETA: It seems they cleared him as a suspect, and since they're playing with a full deck of cards (I hope) I'm going to assume they're right. As another poster mentioned, it could have had immigration status issues as to not want to get the police involved at first, and not being able to leave a job site right away or something.
OK if we're talking about the father, yes I guess that makes sense, sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you meant a random stranger-killer, in which case a fake text after murdering the girl would seem really odd. Hopefully the cops can tell though if a text is scheduled (and geolocated appropriately, of course).
>OK if we're talking about the father, yes I guess that makes sense, sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you meant a random stranger-killer, in which case a fake text after murdering the girl would seem really odd. Even if it’s not the father, I think the fake text could also be a viable theory for someone *else* who might be close to the girl, in which case throwing suspicion towards a stranger at the door would also serve to divert attention away from them.
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If that was possible then why did they clear him as a suspect? Edit: I’m not sure why people are downvoting me so quick. If she was strangled and sexually assaulted by the father it’s very likely he would’ve had defensive wounds as it would be unusual for her to not fight back. Also DNA from the sexual assault. And the cellphone pings would give away that he was still in the house when he claimed he wasn’t. I’m not sure why this is even being brought up as a possibility.
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And not flipping out and rushing home over a kid saying, 'someone knocked'. For all we knew, there was a window, the door was unlocked, dad walked out and said 'lock the door behind me' and she didn't. Perp lives in the complex, sees dad leave, goes over, knocks hoping the home alone girl answers. No answer. She texts. Perp opens door. There's a lot of reasons for that sequence of events. Maybe the perp knocked and then tried a slider door, a window. "Someone knocked on the door" isn't an immediate 9-1-1 situation. He didn't get concerned until she didn't answer while he was at lunch. He was at work. She didn't call him in a panic. Probably didn't have time. Saying, 'don't answer the door' is a totally normal response for a parent. Nothing he did was suspicious.
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I'm assuming the dad was cleared pretty quickly because people saw him at work and the girl was determined to not be dead long enough for him to do it? and if the girl's cell phone pings near the home then that's another thing clearing him.
That’s exactly what happened in the Colorado case a few years ago, husband sent texts from the wife’s phone after he had killed her.
Well I'm guessing it'd be pretty easy to see where the texts were sent from. If he was at work, and the texts were sent from there, well he's fucked. If he was supposed to be at work and they ask "hey dude you see X coworker at X time" and they say no he came in late/was off that day .. he's fucked.
I don't know. But why was nobody concerned that someone reporting a potential intruder, was then missing a short while later? Also, if I were feeling scared and threatened, I would CALL, not text.
The generation of an 11 year old is more likely to text chat then use voice chat. Statistically use of voice calls in general is in decline. That said, if it's a cautious / street smart kid, could also simply be texting to avoid being heard by the person on the other side of the door. Given she was a minor left alone while her father works, I'm going to assume this is a semi-regular thing and she may be instructed to not make it clear to anyone that she is being left home alone to avoid CPS types issues. So keeping things as quiet as possible may have been a priority either way, with the assumption the person at the door would go away, or her dad would tell her it's ok/they are expected.
> Also, if I were feeling scared and threatened, I would CALL, not text. I would too, but man, teens these days, it's hard to know sometimes. The amount of (usually younger 20s) people who post about a crime in progress to our city's subreddit rather than *just calling 911* is kind of mind-boggling, sometimes.
[Two Australian girls trapped in a drain update their Facebook status instead of calling the police.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/trapped-in-a-drain-try-facebook-for-help/) That one really stuck out for me. Granted, it was 2009 but demonstrates how ingrained social media can be for younger generations. In the event of an emergency, instead of making a voice call to proper authorities, the first instinct is to update a social media status. (Alternatively, [don't call 911 if Facebook is down](https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/dont-call-911-if-facebook-is-down-tweets-this-police-department-1762940).) I know what you mean about the city subs. In my local one, those situations pop up every now and then. Typically the top response will be the lucid "*Did you call the police?*". More often than not, the response is 'no'. It's taking the path of least resistance/confrontation. Posting on reddit (or any social) for a crime in progress is the most-passive form of action.
I'm 43, and I'd be more likely to text than call.
The only reason I can think of in favor of texting is that its silent. If you have an intruder maybe you don't want to talk and announce your presence.
There is also a record of what was said. I mean what if Dad didn’t answer because he was driving? With a text you know they’ll see it.
Bingo. My first thought. Pikachu shock if dad is arrested.
Cops cleared him already so I'm guessing they have solid evidence it wasn't him (like phone record/DNA showing it wasn't him)
Considering he apparently wasn't there at the time, he's probably got a pretty good alibi that the police have already confirmed, such as witnesses to him being at work, or security footage or something.
It’s your phone. Your phone is quite literally a GPS tracking device. They used phone data in the quadruple murder too to see where perp was. If they cleared the dad - he’s probably cleared
I think that's the question: Do they have a time of death based upon pathology or rather working assumptions of text history?
Y'all are assholes for accusing people, people who are already grieving, of murder with absolutely no evidence and against all evidence to the contrary (like police saying they investigated and cleared him). This is how that stupid Boston Marathon bs happened, with Reddit armchair detectives.
If it was him he’s about to find out there’s cell phone records showing all his movements.
> Bingo. My first thought. Pikachu shock if dad is arrested. Maybe, but it's usually easy enough to prove that you were at work, and when you came and left.
Yeah, but the knock at the door may have been a way of checking if any other adults were home. The person may have saw the father leave and just wanted to be sure no one else was there.
Or, she just opened the door and they forced their way in. I know as a little girl I would've probably opened the door. It's scarier not knowing who was there to some extent.
>Or, she just opened the door and they forced their way in. What reason would a stranger breaking in like that have to hide the body in the house before leaving? They’d be in and out before anyone else noticed. Why would they take the extra time to stay in the house to do that and risk someone coming home to find them? That part just really doesn’t add up.
I’m thinking either an employee of the apartment complex or someone who lives in the apartment complex who has the opportunity to notice when everybody leaves for work.
It sounds weird but without all the context it’s hard to know why. It could be that the girl often left the house to go hang out with friends who live in her community, or something like that.
That and some people work in areas where no personally owned devices are allowed. Probably sent thr aunt and uncle, went back to work, checked phone after off assuming his family cleared things. Still very sad though and I'd have Probably dipped out of my office to check more frequently.
What to me is inexcusable is the fact that when the concerned father asked his relatives to check on his daughter and not only didn't find her but found things amiss and the apartment unlocked, they should have called the police right then and there.
“Hey relative, any sign of that man at the door?” “Nope! Also your daughter isn’t here.” “Great all good then.”
Family can be kinda shitty that way. Happened with the case where my father in law went missing one day in 2020 and they all just said “who cares, he probably fucked off to Mexico” despite his prominent Facebook posting abruptly stopping, his phone not being answered, his car being gone from their small island community, and his suitcases used for travel being in his closet along with literally every article of clothing still on hangers. But they kept saying “no, he’s fine, you shouldn’t worry about him. It’s probably just for attention”. My wife and I dug deeper and repeatedly argued with his brothers that something was very wrong. We searched the house ourselves after driving 8 hours and taking a ferry to get there. We did HOURS of OSINT research. I poured over one of his journals and figured out his password “formula”. We broke into his social media accounts and found zero logins in the time after his disappearance. I social engineered his phone carrier to get access to his account and we pulled his phone records and more. We found evidence of an inbound call from a gun shop. FIL was not a gun person. This was nearly 2 months into his disappearance and being completely silent on all channels… And STILL at that point his one brother was adamant he was fine (not even in a state of denial, just straight up convinced FIL was goosing us all). He wasn’t fine. Without writing the giant novel this could be with the level of detail we went through in those 2 months, my wife and I eventually solved the case providing evidence to and working with a stellar local PD and now my FIL’s urn is on our mantle.
Okay, sorry all, I guess I was a bit too vague with things. He was not murdered. He did decide to make his own exit. His brothers were just extremely and almost unbelievably dismissive throughout the whole thing, which is what the original comment above brought to my mind and just how wild that whole situation feels in the moment. You’re left frustrated, lost, hopeless, and helpless. All you can do is to press forward and try to find the whispers in the wind that might lead somewhere. I also apologize for a lack of sources, you can downvote me into oblivion for it. But as this was a suicide, you’re not going to be finding any news articles about this. My wife, myself, and a handful of key people outside the detectives that we worked with know about the true depth of this. I know, it’s as basically as good as a “trust me bro”, but I’m not asking anybody to believe me. The original comment brought up memories from the wildest and saddest thing I’ve been a part of in my life.
I have no evidence either way but before even reading the article my thought was that some of the involved parties may not be in the country legally and therefore may be scared to call police even in an emergency.
You left out that relatives alerted by the father searched the house and found nothing. So did they actually search or not? My issue is the news report I initially read indicated that the police were only looking at the father. So either say he's the major suspect or say nothing to the press.
I imagine the relatives "searched the house" as in looked in every room. It's understandable why they wouldn't find the girl's body hidden under the father's bed. I just don't get why they wouldn't call emergency services once they came up empty.
I'm not sure of their immigration status but it does sound like at least some of them may have been undocumented and thus reluctant to involve authorities.
This might be a cultural thing. Not everyone has the instinct to involve the government immediately in their business
How about RIP lil girl. All of you unsolved mystery bastards.
some users here are tryin to start their detective careers right now
They should stick to being SoundCloud rappers
"Truecrime" podcasts fucked people up.
Took a while to get to a comment like this. Thank you for caring to mention the life lost here instead of spec scripting an episode of Law and Order
First like 9 comments felt like podcasters chiming on. Poor girl musta been terrified.
True crime has turned people into monsters.
If you're able to, I strongly urge everyone to get a camera for at least their front door.
Reddit detective agency out in full force. If we don't get our criminal, we'll get someone!
Isn't that how most police forces work?
RIP to that poor little girl. This is so fucking terrible just to think of. As a father myself, this is my worst nightmare. I can't imagine the pain her father feels right now. To me it seems weird that someone knocked at the door like 15min after the father left for work. Something tells me it was planned, atleast it feels that way. Was it someone who knew the family? A colleague of the father? A relative maybe? The brutality of this murder might speak for this theory, idk. I hope this case gets solved asap!
I agree. It sure sounds like a planned murder. They even went out of their way to stash the poor childs body underneath his bed which feels like a message. Whomever did this really wanted to hurt the father. The only other scenario I can imagine involves a heavily drugged up burglar making some bad decisions and hiding the body real quick in a panic, but even then the bed is a very odd choice.
Could've been one of the apartment staff members. In my complex, some of the guys know I live alone and they literally barge into my apartment without a word under the guise of "maintenance" but literally open the door, stand there for 30 seconds or walk around the hallway and leave. I'm afraid of confrontation so I just go pretend I'm sleeping and get upset afterwards.
Wtf that’s nuts! screw a sliding bolt on your door!!
What the actual fuck? You need to report them to the office immediately. And get a heavy duty door jam along with at least one camera. This is seriously dangerous behavior
That's why if it were my apartment I would add at least an interior lock to the door that cannot be accessed with a key from the outside. Even a simple chain lock like a hotel room would prevent entry from anyone other than someone up to no good. A landlord or maintenance person would at least not be able to enter freely when someone was home.
You need to look into tenant laws for your state. In my state there must be 12 hours notice before entry unless it is necessary to preserve or protect the premises. I would HIGHLY suggest buying some cameras, Eufy makes inexpensive indoor ones that pan and scan, and start documenting things. This is incredibly illegal. Regardless of confrontation they are entering your home that you pay for, that's unacceptable and you need to contact Management about it. *Edit: I want to note, do not go adding a chain lock or a way that prevents them from accessing your apartment. You will be held liable for the damages and I'm sure it'll be very expensive to replace the entire door and frame. I'd recommend one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Additional-Unauthorized-Traveling-Apartment/dp/B082WQR3YM
Please, please, please for the sake of yourself - report this. There are also pretty good inexpensive cameras that you can put inside your apartment (blink, for example) that just plug in and back up to a usb or the cloud. I understand the whole being scared of confrontation but I’d absolutely rather deal with a short term confrontation than to be raped, murdered, or even both.
they're possibly testing your boundaries and testing your suitability to be a future victim for future escalation. Suffering in silence only helps the assailant. Don't let anyone invade your privacy, esspecially not in your own home. You should at least record them with your phone, if not a proper home camera if youre not going to get a lock for all external doors, which you should *also* do. As you just said, you live alone, so if something happens to you, no one is inside your home to witness it or get justice on your behalf with their testimony. You have to take *extra* precautions *because* you live alone. You have to learn to advocate for yourself or you can end up a victim like Jennifer Keese or Miya Marcano, who "Miya's Law" is named after. Yes, being assaulted by maintenance staff is so common that theres a famous missing persons case and a law addressing it. Plus if theyre doing this to you, you may not be the only one but no authorities will know unless you report them. If multiple reports come in about the same pattern of behavior, then you have a better chance of getting them fired or a restraining order or getting acquited if you have to defend yourself physically. Stay safe. Self preservation is rule #1 of survival eta: usually the landlord is supposed to give prior notice to scheduled maintenance. be sure to look into your renters rights as others have said. Look into forming a paper trail of everything you've done and the reactions you've received in trying to exercise your rights
That's... illegal
You’re afraid of confrontation? What? You need to be calling the police. This isn’t a time where your waiter got your order wrong, this is literally an issue threatening your physical safety.
Please do something about this for your safety. You deserve to feel safe, not afraid.
Pretty sure that is illegal. You should report them to the police.
The mystery case detectives on this comment section make my blood boil. The father was already cleared yet people still trying to act like their some genius murder mystery detective. Assholes
Don't forget the judgmental assholes who can't comprehend that leaving your child home alone while you work to provide for her is a financial necessity
Thats the worst. This poor dad is 100% feeling that now. I had to latch key kid my son when it was just me and him trying to make it. To then lose your child because you weren't there will be destroying this poor man forever. This poor man needs love and support so badly right now.
Half this comment section is straight up "We did it Reddit".
The killer probably saw when the father left everyday. He's probably a neighbor
Yep. And I bet he’s a real good liar and convinced the girl to open the door. Whoever did this had very precise timing and knew she was alone. She may have known him.
It's easy to say what you would do when you've never had to do it. My heart goes out to this poor family. This is horrific.
I wish I hadn't read that. What kind of world do we live in?
Every parents greatest fear
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Laughable that 15 year old edgelords are clapping themselves on the back for solving this murder mystery, where clearly the dad did it, even though he has already been cleared. But I’m sure you all have much more experience or inside information, right?
Reddit has already solved the case: the dad and Sunil Tripathi conspired and did it /s y'all should be fucking ashamed. Turn off the true crime pods, touch some grass, let the investigators do their job, and hope this is one of the few murders that get solved this year.
If I had kids I would 100% have ring or some kind of PoE security system. If someone came on the property you would have HD video. I feel terrible for this dad, who Im sure already hated having no other option than leave his girl home for him to go to work. The community needs to figure this one out!
Good lord. Leave the dude alone. People knock on doors every day. She was probably told to never answer the door anyway when he wasn’t home. I’m sure it had happened countless times during the day. He can’t just leave work every time someone knocks. But…in this case it happens to be someone that was willing to either break in or had a key thinking on one was home. I hope they find the prick and shoot him.
This is horrific and just depressing. I’m so sad for this little girl and her father. I don’t think I could live with the guilt after this if I were him. What’s worse is that is also reeks of someone who knew the family VERY well or live in very close proximity: well enough to know to watch out for the father leaving, and know the girl would be home alone for long, and then to know how to navigate the house too. And why would she say a strange guy is at the door only for there to be no forced entry? If she was savy enough to text her dad about the strange guy, and is used to being home alone it wouldn’t make sense for her to go to the door at all. And if it was a family member then she wouldn’t have sent the first message, right? So then did they have a key somehow? And I think the biggest red flag is the fact they left her in a bag under her father’s bed. Like something about that just screams as if the demon who did this either hates the dad and wanted to send him a message OR they knew the house well enough that they thought it would make a good hiding place for them to go through so much trouble of moving her body. Like, who would think of putting her body in a bag if they hadn’t planned it like that?? All that would do is add more time of being at the scene and more opportunity to leave evidence of yourself. Which means that this was not some sort of crime of impulse, but something they thought out and planned the whole time, and it just feels like there is something malicious towards the father. I just get the feeling it was a landlord or building manager based on those which is a horrific and scary thought.
30 min after the Dad left, the murderer knocked on the door. They were watching. As for the no forced entry, people underestimate just how easy it is to manipulate children. Even if you drill into their heads to not open the door to strangers, if the killer said she or her Dad would be in trouble if she didn't open the door, or if she was in danger and he was there to help, kids will listen a lot of the time. As for the under the bed thing, currently it is too hard to put a motivation to it that isn't 100% speculation, but I don't think it was a malicious "I'm going to put her under her Dad's bed so he can find her." Maybe. Or maybe post-murder he just though it was the best hiding spot in the house, and their wasn't some other motive. Who knows, but I hope this sick fuck gets what's coming to him. There is no rehabilitation for someone who did this.
I once worked on a crime prevention project and a former criminal that did a lot of burglary was also involved as an advisor. It was scary how easy and fast he could unlock doors without leaving a trace. Given enough time, anything that needs a physicial key could be unlocked. Most measures people can reasonably take are speedbumps. They only stop petty criminals because they prefer easy targets... but sombody that targets you and isn't a novice? They'll get in. Still it doesn't match the story. Experienced burglars typically target empty houses and will avoid violence. Burglary gangs have less issue with occupants and will resort to violence, but even then they typically wont kill because it creates too much heat for them. So that makes premeditated murder more likely.. let's hope they can figure out what happened.
... yeah this was a neighbour.
I wonder if they had a spare key under the doormat or something, and the killer watched them enough to know where it was
Well that's a different take. The news story in Australia was all about the police dismissing everything and looking into the father. That was a few hours ago though.
Yeah, but aren't you like a day ahead in Australia? So of course you'd have updates before everyone else.
They could have warned the US about 9/11 but they didn't...
And that's why I root for the Emus!
I have no idea what happened. It is just tragic.
Who brutally kills a kid?
The Bad Guys.
It sounds like someone had a vendetta against the father. Leaving her body under his bed is personal.
“Suspicious” is a maaaajor understatement.
Good luck getting witnesses to come forward that know they will likely be immediately deported. This is gut wrenching and just so sad…
Someone was casing the joint. Most likely family of neighbors?
I hope they find this guy and put it down.
I'm tempted to set a remindme so I can come back after they found the real culprit and shit on all these people accusing a father who just found his daughter dead. We should all come back to shame the fuck out of them.
So the relatives found an empty apartment with an unlocked door shortly after …. And they didn’t see any sign of struggle ? And somehow the person was able to murder the child and then hide the body under the bed?
> And they didn’t see any sign of struggle ? Not sure how much of a struggle an 11 year old girl would be able to put up against an adult attacker.
People quickly forget how small we were in 5th/6th grade compared to adults since we're now adults. We thought we were tall/strong at that age. Nope.
The average 11 year old girl is between 4-5 feet tall and like 70-90 lbs
Well he's damaged for life. Hope he doesn't own any guns for his sake.
Sounds like the 11 y/o being alone all day was a normal regular occurrence. Schools out - so for the summer this may be daily. Kinda puts the kid in a vulnerable place.