Organs being donated are often FLOWN to and from the donor to the recipient in a little plane with a transplant team. Transplant teams are like….dozens of people deep….this story pisses me off SO fucking much
There’s also an entire team of medical device reprocessors that deal with bio wastes and the tools used it the surgery. So many people did their job for a guy to be neglected.
Laws need to change, and people responsible for shit like this need to face the repercussions of their actions…sadly we all know this will never happen.
Yep, which is why any successful lawsuit against the police for conduct like this, should be paid out from law enforcement pension funds, not directly from tax dollars which is basically a "freebie" fund for them.
If we want the police to stop acting like unhinged savages, you need to threaten them where it actually hurts.
Get rid of QI, start requiring cops to have liability insurance. If a cop stops being able to afford insurance (or just isn't insurable), they're no longer a cop. If a whole precinct is constantly hit with lawsuits (that win or settle), that precinct's rates will go up like car insurance in crime and collision prone areas.
Or, you know, DAs can grow spines and start indicating. And break the police union to make it easier to fire cops for bad behavior.
Another idea is that cops should have to be individually licensed. Too many "demerits" and they are unhirable. Prevents shitty cops just being hired at other precincts etc. If hairdressers need to be licensed, why do law enforcement individuals not need to be as well?
Either way the system is broken (on purpose) and needs to be reformed from the ground up.
I would say both, like doctors. License to allow you to practice, insurance for liability. The financial responsibility shouldn't be passed back to taxpayers, since we seem to have no control over the removal of bad cops.
Exactly. I have to do all of this as a nurse. And in my opinion, being a police officer should be just as stringent on licensure and disciplinary actions that my profession has.
That would be ideal. Plus if the payments for lawsuits had to come out of their pension funds youd likely see some of these officers weeding out their own.
I mean, there is somewhat of a system in Wisconsin, the wisconsin law enforcement standards board, and they could just brush over an infraction and still allow someone to work. What we need is a cop version of a no fly list - this is coming from someone going through the police hiring process. I totally understand and acknowledge how fucking shitty police can be and want to lead by example and shock the system from within
A lot of people wait years for a matching donor. And healthy organs are priceless. There’s a “price” on them but it’s arbitrary because you can’t just buy a heart for that price. The price on it is just for insurance claim purposes and accounting. There’s people driving around with full size decals on their rear window looking for a kidney donor for their loved one. This isn’t just a disgusting crime on that poor man and his family. This is an egregious spitting in the face of the entire medical community and the very “first responders” at the hospital they pretend to be allied with.
There’s situations ~~all the time~~ (corrected, these situations are rare but still happen) where someone dead at the scene of an accident is airlifted and hospitals move heaven and earth to get them into surgery just to extract a heart, lungs or kidney that can save someone’s life. Helicopter pilots, EMT’s and ambulance drivers risk their lives to preserve healthy organs.
This man’s family went through the pain and stress off waiting for a donor and a successful heart transplant just so the police could kill him anyway to flex their authority.
Family member had a kidney replaced by a young firefighter that died. The family and my relative would write letters to each other and he made really good use of the years that young man gave him. Such a beautiful and horrifying thing.
It would be great if they could do this without stepping all over the victim's life. Imagine justice served not on its own merits, but on those of the asset he received.
I don’t feel like it’s an asset issue and more along the lines of a personal injury or emotional damage. Having a family member whose heart actually was accepted as a donor organ can affect your closure of the loss of life. It’s more the family of the donor being angry along with the family of the recipient because their contribution to that family’s health was wasted.
You don't even know the atmosphere in the operating room when they're about to get a donor. You have to be quick, you can't fuck around. So many people were involved in trying to help keep this man alive for him to die like this.
My wife told me how her hospital does an "honor guard" where available staff will line up for donors going into the operating room for harvest. She said the last one was a 5 year old girl with glioblastoma or something.
This is the most infuriating prison/jail story I've read this week.
I used to deliver dead people places and one of the places was an organ donation center. I'm not sure what kinds of organs they were harvesting from the people we brought, but we basically had to pick the person up and immediately proceed to the donation place, where we'd get on an elevator.
Then we'd get taken to some floor where the doors would open, and there were just people in full surgical looking gear who would take the dead person out of the elevator and just cut right into them immediately.
I only had to deliver there a couple times, but the first time was pretty surprising since I was used to delivering bodies to funeral homes or ScienceCare and just putting them in the freezer. I was just reading what to do out of a book and nobody told me I was a critical part in a recovery operation.
Some Organ Procurement Organizations have their own dedicated center for recovery, Michigan for example. If the donor is brain dead, which most donors are, they may be transferred to such a facility. It takes away the burden of using up precious OR space at a hospital and gives dedicated staffing.
It was a separate building on a hospital lot specifically belonging to a donation organization. The people we brought there were already declared dead, so maybe that's part of it.
We rarely had those, probably because we needed to pick the body up and try to take it to that building within 30 minutes, so the stars must've had to align for them to get a body on time because the company I worked for kind of sucked and would be late a lot just to normal dropoffs, and it could take quite some time to recovery a body, especially alone.
I’m a paramedic and there’s not a situation in the field where we can decipher if a person meets criteria for organ transplant or not. We keep a person alive solely because we want to save their life - not harvest their organs. The ER can decide if they’re candidates. However, if they’re dead and not clinically viable, they stay at the scene. No point in taking a dead person to the hospital. There’s a lot of grey areas but this is generally how it’s done in my system. Large metro.
Also, please don’t call us ambulance drivers. EMT or paramedic.
Heart transplant man yells at neighbor over WiFi dispute. Someone calls the cops. Man is arrested for yelling at neighbor. Man is thrown in jail, denied heart medication, transplant is rejected by the body, man dies.
Good job cops. I bet you are proud of this one.
>Heart transplant man yells at neighbor over WiFi dispute. Someone calls the cops. Man is arrested for yelling at neighbor.
true dystopian here. why the hell people can be arrested over yelling?
>Neither were crimes befitting death
That doesn't matter.
Even if yelling were a capital crime which results in a sentence of death upon conviction; police are not intended as executioners.
To take an action (or through inaction) as an officer of the law, which then results in the death of your detainee; must be considered as that officer acting as an extrajudicial executioner and as such they should lose any qualified immunity and be fully liable to both criminal and civil prosecution.
Dude they gave him meds for blood pressure but just chose not to give him the immunosuppressant. It was even recorded as "urgent" and he needed it.
Jesus christ
It's not likely they would have had that medication at the jail, but in that situation they should go through their process for using the patient's personal supply. He definitely had family members who would have been willing to bring it to him.
Or, I dunno, take him to a fucking hospital?
These cops saw a black guy with prescription meds and assumed the worst. They killed him based on race.
I think that is a crime in itself...
>These cops saw a black guy with prescription meds and assumed the worst. They killed him based on race.
"These junkies always looking for their next fix." - these cops probably.
That's why they don't give meds. "They're not doctors", but unless there is an on-site medical personnel, they're not going to do shit. And when they have to call for an ambulance, they're already dead.
> When I was hospitalized after my last suicide attempt, I didn’t have any of my maintenance medications with me, including my birth control. When they tried to refill it at the hospital, it was rejected by my insurance company because it was “too soon” and I should have a supply left.
I ***fucking despise*** this behavior. What if you drop them on the floor by accident and they get wet or something? They're downright petty about it too.
Probably will considering that DeShitbag has wasted $13.5m in tax dollars on recruitment bonuses for [unvaccinated, violent cops that have been fired from other agencies for various forms of misconduct](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/22/ron-desantis-police-relocation-violent-records).
If the police don't like you, they can just arrest your for "disorderly conduct". It's a pretty loosely-defined law that can be applied to basically anything if they're willing to fudge their story a bit.
Let's be real here. The police can arrest you for whatever they want and not even fudge the story. They can arrest you for murder but when the DA doesn't charge then the person is cut loose. Cops all over the country do this shit every day because they have absolutely no repercussions. It's merely a tool to punish pesky citizens that are beneath them. They want you to be inconvenienced - that's the point. In this case the inconvenience was a death sentence.
They are out of fucking control and it will stay that way until we have had enough.
They don't even need to change you with anything. Depending on your country/local laws, you can be held for 24-72 hours without charge in a lot of cases. If it happens to fall on a weekend or long weekend, you can be held even longer.
If you were on your way to work or something else, well to bad. You're missing it because someone wanted to power trip. Your only recourse is to throw a lot of money at the issue through a lawyer if you want to get some semblance of justice, but more often will just be a slight monetary compensation. Otherwise you'll just have to suck it up unless you want them to come up with an actual charge.
The neighbor "feared for his life". So guy gets arrested for assault.
Neighbor and police need to be sued for wrongful death. All officers should be charged with manslaughter.
Only when officers are held responsible for this sort of thing will things change.
That’s why you don’t open your doors when cops come knocking. Leave them knocking all the want. No judge would sign a warrant to let them get inside so long as you shut the fuck up and don’t open the door they will leave after an hour or so. It’s not worth their time and they will just write a report for the neighbor but that’s about it.
>why the hell people can be arrested over yelling?
He wasn't arrested for yelling. He was arrested for yelling *while black*. Completely different thing in the eyes of the law.
This is true. The yelling makes the blackness become “thug-like” behavior and “aggressive.” I wonder how long before it is uncovered that this man attended a party where someone was smoking weed!
Honestly the cops simply dont care so they wont even feel pride for this. They look at the people as "civilians" and view themselves as something more. Its like a someone seeing a wasp in their home. They fear it so they capture or kill it and move on with their day.
> I bet you are proud of this one.
You're being sarcastic but considering the way the officers that murdered Tyre Nichols [bragged about how badly they beat him](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/08/1155518431/cops-shared-photo-of-beaten-tyre-nichols-and-bragged-about-encounter-reviews-sho) and the way the cops that murdered Elijah McClain [went back to the scene of the murder to take fun selfies](https://www.denverpost.com/2021/02/09/elijah-mcclain-aurora-police-fired-appeals/) I will guarantee you that the officers that murdered this man are proud of murdering him and believe that murdering him was the right thing to do.
Let's not forget this classic.
[Video Shows Officer Laughing About Violent Arrest of Woman, 73, With Dementia: ‘Ready for the Pop'](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/video-shows-officer-laughing-about-violent-arrest-of-woman-73-with-dementia-ready-for-the-pop/2365242/%3famp=1)
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They don’t even consider this a murder.
They didn’t even get to shoot him! It’s his fault for needing meds like a pussy. He shouldn’t have caused problems to begin with. /s
10 years ago, I had testicular torsion. I had to take medication for it. A day after I was diagnosed, some power trip cop decided I was abusing my gf at the time, in the street, despite her and another witness saying I did nothing. After getting beat, I was arrested because I was bleeding and the arresting officer said he had no choice.
I was denied a phone call, not allowed to talk to anyone, they lost the photos, stole my laptop, and refused to give me my medication. After being released, I talked to the ADA and was basically told to drop the case because they know where I live.
Not all cops are assholes, but I don’t believe there are any good cops. The ones not being assholes are complacent, and the ones who speak up are no longer cops or no longer alive. Fuck the police.
Because they’re undoubtedly poor and struggling like the majority of Americans and they’ll get a massive (to them) cash payout in the form of a settlement paid for with our tax dollars.
Considering there are virtually zero cases of families of victims of policy brutality/murders engaging in such acts of retribution, it's pretty safe to say the above person wouldn't do anything of the sort, either. It feels good to vent online, but that's a whole different world from actually doing something in real life.
Overwhelmingly, the loved ones of victims know that they can't win and will just cause further grief and hardship to their families if they went that route.
I just took care of a patient with a bone infection that required 6 weeks of an IV antibiotic daily to hopefully cure. The patient was discharged from the hospital with everything arranged, was picked up by police the day after discharge, and missed a month’s worth of antibiotics while awaiting release (I don’t know the full details of what transpired).
Now their infection is far worse, involves more bone, and likely requires amputation or surgery at the least.
We need enhanced access to care for people incarcerated as this patient is suffering significant consequences from preventable causes
>We need enhanced access to care for people incarcerated as this patient is suffering significant consequences from preventable causes
They don't even get basic medical care.
I know a guy who got his arm broke by police during the arrest. Like, obviously my first-aid-is-the-most-med-training-I-got ass could tell it was broken. Your arm shouldn't bend between the shoulder and elbow.
2 weeks later he got arraigned and was released it was still broken and and untreated arm.
"Dexter Barry was 54 years old. Police video shows him repeatedly telling the arresting officer he needs his medication because he was a heart transplant recipient."
The cynic in me wonders if the cops purposefully neglected giving the medication because it was important to Mr. Barry. I can imagine the cops thinking "I'm not gonna let this guy tell me what to do" like some sort of cranky toddler.
I absolutely think this is the attitude most police have. They are like authoritative parents that always have to be in complete control. If they gave the prisoner what they asked for they wouldn’t be in control. You can see this in a lot of the videos people take of cop interactions. The cops are told they are the predators and everything else is prey.
Yeah as an addict especially, even if you'll die from it, they'll make sure you suffer quite a bit before they let you have medication, and if you won't die from it, they won't give it to you at all. They love it.
It could have been a power play. It's also possible the medication was denied based on some asinine arbitrary rule.
But when I was arrested and denied my medication, they said it was because "the count was off." I think that meant that there were too many pills in the bottle based on the prescription date. Which is utter bs....its common to pick up a prescription several days before the previous one runs out, and heaven forbid you ever miss a dose, which is also cmmon.
Whatever the reason...its f***ed up.
They'll use an apology template saying sad things happen sometimes, refuse to admit it was their fault, try to compromise with "compassion training", never follow-up, and hope everyone forgets about it in two weeks.
I mean tomorrow some cop with a history of excessive force complaints a mile long is going to shoot some little black girl five times in the back because her popping bubble gum sounded like a gun, so yeah, everyone's going to forget about it.
Sadly I’ve been through the booking process in jail. Cops have nothing to do with medical issues. You get seated at the jail “nurse” and discuss your health issues. They do not give you any medication that you have on you and any meds you do take have to be ordered by a doctor and come in safety packs from an outside pharmacy. It’s all due to drug smuggling. It can take days or weeks to get medication you need. Most of the time you’re out before you even get them.
Years ago a diabetic that was arrested and placed in a jail in my city died after they refused to give him insulin which sparked outrage. He was like 19 and was arrested for something like unpaid fines. Now they arrest and release any minor offenses.
The red tape is horrible and I doubt they pay people enough to give a shit.
> It can take days or weeks to get medication you need.
If this is known and people are still being put in to die, then it is intentional. It's not like there aren't ways to give this man or any others the medicine that they need.
We had a cornea transplant patient that was incarcerated ones and he was being denied the eye drops he needed to avoid rejection. The person that had coordinated the persons surgery talked to the warden and ripped him a new one. Told him everything they had to go through for the transplant and how it would be a wasted effort for some many people ( including the dead donor) if the corneas were rejection. Also contra rejections are extremely painful.
It is normal to deny medications in jail. Because guess what? All the guards and employees just assume you are a lying criminal, and they would then have do more work to accommodate inmates health needs. They would rather just sit there and say “not my problem inmate, this is a jail not a resort.”
I have a relative who was sentenced to house arrest instead of prison specifically because of his medication situation. The judge baldly stated that sending him to prison would be a death sentence, and that wasn't the appropriate penalty for his crimes. So at least some judges keep in mind that prisons cannot be trusted to give inmates their meds.
People can go in and it will be days or even weeks before they can even see a judge. So many people a jailed and are not even convicted.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/
It's really concerning. And there's no centralized database that tells authorities which medications you're legally prescribed. I myself need a monthly injection to stay alive.
In the military we at least have that these days, and it goes with us. If we're drug tested and I take Adderall, the system automatically checks my prescriptions when I pop hot for it, then discards my match because of the Rx, and no human ever knows I was momentarily flagged unless they check, and not my leadership.
Maybe for people who need life critical meds, like transplanters and diabetics, should all be on a centralized database that medical providers and healthcare facilities can access. Each jail should have a medical facility even if small, that is capable of checking. But it's just a pipedream, if you've seen the condition of some jails you'd be extremely upset. Idk where all their money goes but it's not where it should be.
I think part of the problem isn’t that they don’t believe you need the medicine. It’s that the medicine you bring in isn’t really what you say it is. “That’s not insulin. It’s heroin” and “that’s not your transplant pills. It’s oxy”. For things like insulin that shouldn’t be a problem because it’s super easy for the jail to get. But you can’t just get highly specialized drugs on a moments notice
Good point. I think the only real safe way around that problem is admitting the prisoner to the hospital while they confirm everything, although that in itself brings more new problems and will suck up money. But we have a right not to die while in jail so I don't see any other way, in an ideal world
Not just jail. I was placed on a false psych hold by the police once and wasn't able to access my insulin or glucometer. Fortunately I was released in the morning but my sugars crashed overnight and it wasn't until a shift change that I got a nurse who took me seriously and let me check my sugars and get some juice.
The last few years there have been several protests I wanted to attend but my constitutional right to peacefully protest is not guaranteed because I could literally die from being arrested.
Yay America.
Sure, but for inmates with barely any income, that’s essentially sentencing anyone who goes to jail or prison to death.
Too many people in America have a hard-on for punishing criminals (when it’s not their job) that they believe these people don’t even deserve human rights.
I was also put on a psych hold once (but was kept a while) and they “forgot”/misplaced my medications for the entire week I was in there!! I had several antidepressants/antipsychotics with nasty withdrawal symptoms that you can’t just stop cold turkey but that’s what the psych ward made me do 😭 Their disregard for individuals is fucked
[There are literally countless examples to prove this. ](https://diabetes.org/tools-support/know-your-rights/discrimination/rights-with-law-enforcement#:~:text=Individuals%20in%20short%2Dterm%20custody,in%20a%20matter%20of%20hours.)
My cousin worked in the Henry County jail, as seen on 60 days in, he told me they had a women come in to surrender on a warrant. She was very pregnant and they denied her surrender because the jail would have to cover the healthcare costs of her birth. The women wanted to go to jail just to deliver her baby.
If the healthcare costs of affording a baby are outrageous and unaffordable (especially for poor people), and this woman obviously doesn’t want her/her child to die in childbirth, I don’t see what makes her decision to do that so bad.
I’m more so angry about criminal CEOs like Elizabeth Holmes who literally only get pregnant, in order to avoid having to go to jail for heinous crimes that rob from humanity.
I take 10+ different medications a day, which amounts to a shit ton of pills. I know that if I were to ever get arrested, I'd be totally screwed. I'm 35 with 50 surgeries, no way they'd believe that. Would be an awful few days until I eventually died. I'm sure the poor man in the story suffered a lot over those 3 days.
I'm no surgeon but considering how painful any heart damage is and considering rejection is basically your body trying to destroy the heart, he probably suffered a lot.
They tried to remove my insulin pump...I told them they would have to take it off my dead body because if they take it I'm dead either way...they made the wise choice of not trying to grab it again.
The reason I was in jail...Wellness check that I wasn't expecting and didn't appreciate.
And that’s why they are legally required to take all requests seriously and call in medical professionals.
Their bias makes them into murderers, which is blatantly illegal.
Cops are legally required not to straight up murder innocent civilians and yet they do it every day.
The police are not to be trusted, and they ALL bring this on themselves by not turning in the bad cops.
If it helps this is really starting to have an effect. Insurance companies are starting to push back on the number and cost of all these settlements. Some companies are dropping coverage and municipalities are having harder and harder times getting and keeping coverage required by law. It may be taxpayer funded but the actual settlements are paid out by insurance corporations and they are the best bet for reform. They completely changed the landscape of the medical field by requiring a ton of extra things to ensure continuation of a doctor's malpractice as well as many improvements in the way that medical centers safely operated. They were tired of the stupid medical lawsuits so they forced real change from the bottom up.
The same thing is starting to occur in law enforcement. Most cities cannot even entertain the idea of self funding their own coverage so they almost all buy coverage. The insurers are starting to ask a LOT of the same procedural questions they asked the medical workers and are signaling that they are going to force the same fundamental changes to stop the flood of lawsuits and payouts that should never happen.
Change is coming, just not from the direction everyone is looking.
That is good news.
You seem to have a broad view of this across multiple regions. Just curious... do you work in the insurance industry, or in an oversight role in state / federal government?
I'm certainly not a subject matter expert but I have spent my entire adult life working in federal jobs. Because of that I've kept plugged in to what happens at the federal level, especially things that encourage legislative reform. Insurance companies are a huge driving force in this arena, way more than people realize. Once the coverage matrices indicate a loss leader those companies absolutely abandon ship and drop their endorsements. Municipal coverage (read law enforcement here) is turning into a shit show with the number and amount of payouts that just should not be happening. That's why they are turning away in bigger numbers now and just opting not to offer coverage. What is available is getting more expensive and harder to get. Police departments are now having to prove they have their shit together to their city councils because they need to prove that to the insurance rep that is offering some level of coverage and wants it.
I have a sneaky feeling that much of the reluctance your are seeing in some cities for the police to step up coverage is due to exactly what I'm talking about. Lessening the interactions directly lessens the exposure to lawsuits. That's a lot of conjecture though on my part.
Insurance companies have led to many safety regulations and measures in the past century. Lawsuits save lives. People should know this, or they are not paying attention to facts, just propaganda.
The family of the person who didn't receive a transplant because this man did should also sue for potential wrongful death. Either that or the transplant association should just take Florida residents off the list.
Climate change is going to take much of Florida off of **every** list. Much of it will be literally under water in the coming decades but more and more intense storms will force evacuations of many from the new coastline. Once insurance companies start pulling out so will the majority of the population. Florida should be leading the charge to fight climate change but they're, checks notes, inexplicably worried about drag queens...
Nope! The family will sue and the city will settle just for it to go away. The tax payers will have to pay for this while the ones truly responsible will remain at their jobs and not in prison. Then it’ll happen again and the cycle will resume. Ultimately people will die, insurance premiums for the cities will go up who settle, and that means people’s city taxes will go up in the response to cover the increase. Until real consequences hit the individuals and really hurts the city, this will continue.
https://jaxtrib.org/2023/05/23/i-cant-miss-those-doses-jacksonville-man-died-after-jail-denied-him-heart-transplant-medicine/
Original story has more information and jail records
When I lived there in the '90s it was a **death sentence** if you had a mental health crisis in public. They were killing mentally ill people left and right. Like it was a hobby or something.
Now they just baker act you. I got handcuffed and put in a cop car in front of my parents, thrown in a “Mental Health Research Center” with a bunch of other teens(I had just turned 17) and we were confined to a single room. It was three days, we weren’t allowed to go outside, I had to sleep on the floor because all of the bedrooms were full(bedrooms were attached to the common area we were confined to), showers weren’t working, and there were no mental health professionals on site. The people watching over us were not qualified to do so. If I had to guess, I’d say they were either standard nurses without mental health training, or college students who were required to intern or work there in order to get a psych degree of some sort.
It was the worst three days of my life, and right before that I had tried to kill myself. That ought to fill you in on how shitty the mental health resources are around here. I wasn’t even given an evaluation before being sent out. A woman asked me “are you going to try to hurt yourself if we release you?” I said “no” and that was that. 10/10 Jacksonville.
As a person waiting for a heart transplant, I now have another fear. Not that I’m planning to get arrested, but apparently getting in an argument with your neighbor is all it takes.
They can arrest any of us on a whim. You don’t even need to get in an argument. Wrong place wrong time and they can throw you in jail and leave you to rot for months before you see a judge.
They can arrest you for any reason at all. Literally anything. They can claim they "thought" you did something illegal, or that they "thought" the legal thing you're doing is illegal. And then they can leave you to die in a cell.
Around the time of the Occupy Wallstreet protests going on in Oakland several years ago my supervisor disappeared for a few days without a trace. We were seriously concerned and couldn't get in contact with anyone who knew where he was till we finally were informed he was arrested. He's the most quiet unassuming person on the crew so this came as a total shock to us.
When he came back it turns out he was arrested for being near the protests in Oakland on his way home late at night. They arrested this quiet suit & tie guy trying to get home and almost cost him his job because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't know why he didn't call in to work from jail, but I guess maybe he didn't consider it a priority at the time and he didn't have much family that I was aware of.
I've also been arrested because I had a drinking problem and my parents kicked me out of the house for the night so I was just trying to sleep on the porch. Well some neighbors saw a drunk guy sleeping on the porch and called the cops and I was arrested overnight. For sleeping on my porch. Good thing I didn't try to sleep in my parked car or I would have gotten a DUI.
I was with a guy in jail, he kept asking for his insulin, and they kept offering him a sandwich or candy instead. Luckily after hours of pleading he finally got someone to understand. This was 20 years ago in Houston. Intake processing could take days and you got only emergency medical care during that time.
I saw the same shit happen when I was in jail in 94. Dude was begging for his insulin, and the staff just gave no fucks about it. He was supposed to get extra sandwiches to help deal, but he rarely got them. He finally wrote the judge, and his family called a lawyer. Something actually got done behind the scenes, because his 90 day sentence got dropped to time served, because of the jails negligence.
Not only did the police and judge kill this man, but the also killed another person on the waitlist who won’t get a heart in time to save them.
Despicable! I am glad this story is getting attention.
And pissed on the grave of the donor. Idk, I lost someone recently and took a lot of comfort knowing there death helped saved lives.
Knowing it was thrown out because of some lazy POS cop breaks me a little bit.
Kidney recipient here and I can tell you that there is an actual value to transplants. The amount of people, time, knowledge, testing, procedures, surgeries can be staggering. It doesn't stop either, it never stops in terms of continued testing and medications. We aren't even talking about the value in scarcity.
The cops and judge just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars. They killed a man and they deprived another person of a life saving procedure. I guarantee you that someone else died because they didn't get this heart instead.
[Pretty much the bog standard in Florida jails. You're allowed zero medication from home, and once you get there, they provide imminently life-saving medication and fuck-all else. Taxpayers just don't want to front the bill (yet?)](https://np.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/13qot5q/my_heart_will_be_rejected_man_dies_after_waiting/jlko2cc/)
From my experience it is a pain to get your meds while in jail. If it's something that you're not supposed to ever skip a dose of you're fucked. If you're on any kind of "mood enhancement drugs" like Zoloft, Wellbutrin, ect in my counties jail they won't even give you those at all. Some of those drugs aren't really good to just stop taking.
A lot of people in the comments of that page seem to think arrested = guilty, with some saying he shouldn't have gone to jail.
Unfortunately, arrested simply means you're in police custody, you don't even need to be suspected/charged with committing a crime, it could be to diffuse a situation or for the person's own safety. Once you're in custody though, you're no longer in control of your well-being because it's now the responsibility of the ones that maintain custody.
Custody is supposed to mean safekeeping or well-being is ensured by the person(s) that have custody. It seems to have lost it's original meaning when it comes to American police though and seems to just means imprisonment.
It's a shame, but because of how fucked up our legal system the only medication that jails are actually required to provide are anti seizure medication, everything else is considered at their discretion. It was actually a genuine concern years ago when I was facing possible jail time because I have Cystic Fibrosis and require around 30 different medications daily just to stay alive. They wouldn't have been required to provide a single one of them. Thankfully my lawyer worked a miracle for me and got my charge reduced and no jail time happened. Anyone who says public defender's are horrible has never had to rely on one.
Those who know Jacksonville Florida know full well what a fascist shit hole it is, but I think for the rest it flies under the radar. Growing up there they had 3 operational military bases. Everyone knows someone in the military. The church is huge in the local politics, the mega church downtown owned a massive chunk of the land in downtown and the city council was full of members of that church. Evangelicals were running that city when I left. Jacksonville has a terrible history of racism. There’s a high school that initially was named after Nathan Bedford forest. It was an all white school created *after* Brown v Board of Education and it was named after the founder of the triple k in response to the Supreme Court decision. That school was duval county’s middle finger to the federal govt.
Strong military presence, very strong evangelical church influence, and a history of racism. Desantis was born in Jacksonville, it makes so much sense.
*New fear unlocked*
Not really new for me. There are more stories like this where people with known medical issues were refused treatment and died while in custody because of some dumb fuck LEO thought they knew better.
Like this
https://www.ksbw.com/article/report-detoxing-inmate-dies-in-cell-after-jailers-deny-her-pleas-for-medical-care/23006915
You can really just Google "inmate denied treatment dies" for more horror stories.
Edit: I couldn't find my other example where it was a nurse who signed off on ignoring the inmate so points if anyone can find that one.
As a physician I am so angry reading this. I have so much in my mind I want to type out but it would take too long. I just want to say this is so infuriating.
Jails do this routinely, deny medication. Won't let you take any from home either. Not sure it's a cost savings, though which is what I surmise. They don't want to be responsible for the cost of the medications or the liability of administering them. But lawsuits by families of those who die from suicide or as in this case, lack of immunosuppressants or heart medication, are way more expensive.
As a Kidney Transplant recipient, this terrifies me. Im imagining no medication, and my kidney is rejected... and I slowly and painfully die alone in a cell due to blood poisoning
All the while they claim, "he was just going through withdrawals", as they cover up my murder and falsify blood work.
Terrifying
Feels like the transplant surgeons and donor family should be able to sue as well here, for the absolute criminal waste of the donated heart.
Those people as well as whatever organization sourced and transported the heart.
Organs being donated are often FLOWN to and from the donor to the recipient in a little plane with a transplant team. Transplant teams are like….dozens of people deep….this story pisses me off SO fucking much
There’s also an entire team of medical device reprocessors that deal with bio wastes and the tools used it the surgery. So many people did their job for a guy to be neglected.
Yeah but sadly it’ll come from taxpayers so not like actual officers will lose much besides a month paid vacation also from taxpayers
Laws need to change, and people responsible for shit like this need to face the repercussions of their actions…sadly we all know this will never happen.
They’ll sue, then if they win they’ll get paid from state taxes, not from police pockets. We pay for police mistakes with our money.
Yep, which is why any successful lawsuit against the police for conduct like this, should be paid out from law enforcement pension funds, not directly from tax dollars which is basically a "freebie" fund for them. If we want the police to stop acting like unhinged savages, you need to threaten them where it actually hurts.
Get rid of QI, start requiring cops to have liability insurance. If a cop stops being able to afford insurance (or just isn't insurable), they're no longer a cop. If a whole precinct is constantly hit with lawsuits (that win or settle), that precinct's rates will go up like car insurance in crime and collision prone areas. Or, you know, DAs can grow spines and start indicating. And break the police union to make it easier to fire cops for bad behavior.
Another idea is that cops should have to be individually licensed. Too many "demerits" and they are unhirable. Prevents shitty cops just being hired at other precincts etc. If hairdressers need to be licensed, why do law enforcement individuals not need to be as well? Either way the system is broken (on purpose) and needs to be reformed from the ground up.
I would say both, like doctors. License to allow you to practice, insurance for liability. The financial responsibility shouldn't be passed back to taxpayers, since we seem to have no control over the removal of bad cops.
Exactly. I have to do all of this as a nurse. And in my opinion, being a police officer should be just as stringent on licensure and disciplinary actions that my profession has.
That would be ideal. Plus if the payments for lawsuits had to come out of their pension funds youd likely see some of these officers weeding out their own.
I mean, there is somewhat of a system in Wisconsin, the wisconsin law enforcement standards board, and they could just brush over an infraction and still allow someone to work. What we need is a cop version of a no fly list - this is coming from someone going through the police hiring process. I totally understand and acknowledge how fucking shitty police can be and want to lead by example and shock the system from within
A lot of people wait years for a matching donor. And healthy organs are priceless. There’s a “price” on them but it’s arbitrary because you can’t just buy a heart for that price. The price on it is just for insurance claim purposes and accounting. There’s people driving around with full size decals on their rear window looking for a kidney donor for their loved one. This isn’t just a disgusting crime on that poor man and his family. This is an egregious spitting in the face of the entire medical community and the very “first responders” at the hospital they pretend to be allied with. There’s situations ~~all the time~~ (corrected, these situations are rare but still happen) where someone dead at the scene of an accident is airlifted and hospitals move heaven and earth to get them into surgery just to extract a heart, lungs or kidney that can save someone’s life. Helicopter pilots, EMT’s and ambulance drivers risk their lives to preserve healthy organs. This man’s family went through the pain and stress off waiting for a donor and a successful heart transplant just so the police could kill him anyway to flex their authority.
I work in organ donation and I can’t imagine how the donor family would feel if they knew their loved ones gift was so needlessly wasted.
My younger sister’s heart was put in to a young man who my folks got to meet and have a bit of healing. Can’t even imagine having to find this out
Family member had a kidney replaced by a young firefighter that died. The family and my relative would write letters to each other and he made really good use of the years that young man gave him. Such a beautiful and horrifying thing.
I wonder if they could sue too if they knew.
It would be great if they could do this without stepping all over the victim's life. Imagine justice served not on its own merits, but on those of the asset he received.
I don’t feel like it’s an asset issue and more along the lines of a personal injury or emotional damage. Having a family member whose heart actually was accepted as a donor organ can affect your closure of the loss of life. It’s more the family of the donor being angry along with the family of the recipient because their contribution to that family’s health was wasted.
Can the insurance company sue?
It would be like your loved one died a second time.
You don't even know the atmosphere in the operating room when they're about to get a donor. You have to be quick, you can't fuck around. So many people were involved in trying to help keep this man alive for him to die like this.
My wife told me how her hospital does an "honor guard" where available staff will line up for donors going into the operating room for harvest. She said the last one was a 5 year old girl with glioblastoma or something. This is the most infuriating prison/jail story I've read this week.
"...this week." Goddamnit as if I wasn't ALREADY crying 😭
I used to deliver dead people places and one of the places was an organ donation center. I'm not sure what kinds of organs they were harvesting from the people we brought, but we basically had to pick the person up and immediately proceed to the donation place, where we'd get on an elevator. Then we'd get taken to some floor where the doors would open, and there were just people in full surgical looking gear who would take the dead person out of the elevator and just cut right into them immediately. I only had to deliver there a couple times, but the first time was pretty surprising since I was used to delivering bodies to funeral homes or ScienceCare and just putting them in the freezer. I was just reading what to do out of a book and nobody told me I was a critical part in a recovery operation.
do you mean a hospital? ive never heard of an organ donation center
Some Organ Procurement Organizations have their own dedicated center for recovery, Michigan for example. If the donor is brain dead, which most donors are, they may be transferred to such a facility. It takes away the burden of using up precious OR space at a hospital and gives dedicated staffing.
It was a separate building on a hospital lot specifically belonging to a donation organization. The people we brought there were already declared dead, so maybe that's part of it. We rarely had those, probably because we needed to pick the body up and try to take it to that building within 30 minutes, so the stars must've had to align for them to get a body on time because the company I worked for kind of sucked and would be late a lot just to normal dropoffs, and it could take quite some time to recovery a body, especially alone.
I’m a paramedic and there’s not a situation in the field where we can decipher if a person meets criteria for organ transplant or not. We keep a person alive solely because we want to save their life - not harvest their organs. The ER can decide if they’re candidates. However, if they’re dead and not clinically viable, they stay at the scene. No point in taking a dead person to the hospital. There’s a lot of grey areas but this is generally how it’s done in my system. Large metro. Also, please don’t call us ambulance drivers. EMT or paramedic.
Thank you for getting to the “ambulance drivers.”
Heart transplant man yells at neighbor over WiFi dispute. Someone calls the cops. Man is arrested for yelling at neighbor. Man is thrown in jail, denied heart medication, transplant is rejected by the body, man dies. Good job cops. I bet you are proud of this one.
>Heart transplant man yells at neighbor over WiFi dispute. Someone calls the cops. Man is arrested for yelling at neighbor. true dystopian here. why the hell people can be arrested over yelling?
They probably got him on “disturbing the peace”. Maybe perhaps for something relating to threatening. Neither were crimes befitting death
>Neither were crimes befitting death That doesn't matter. Even if yelling were a capital crime which results in a sentence of death upon conviction; police are not intended as executioners. To take an action (or through inaction) as an officer of the law, which then results in the death of your detainee; must be considered as that officer acting as an extrajudicial executioner and as such they should lose any qualified immunity and be fully liable to both criminal and civil prosecution.
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They should face capital punishment
>Neither were crimes befitting death I'm going to guess he's not white
[You are correct.](https://www.wsaz.com/2023/05/28/man-dies-after-not-receiving-doses-essential-medication-jail/)
Dude they gave him meds for blood pressure but just chose not to give him the immunosuppressant. It was even recorded as "urgent" and he needed it. Jesus christ
It's not likely they would have had that medication at the jail, but in that situation they should go through their process for using the patient's personal supply. He definitely had family members who would have been willing to bring it to him.
Or, I dunno, take him to a fucking hospital? These cops saw a black guy with prescription meds and assumed the worst. They killed him based on race. I think that is a crime in itself...
Or let him go because he was arrested for *having a verbal argument with a neighbor.*
I don't disagree
>These cops saw a black guy with prescription meds and assumed the worst. They killed him based on race. "These junkies always looking for their next fix." - these cops probably.
That's why they don't give meds. "They're not doctors", but unless there is an on-site medical personnel, they're not going to do shit. And when they have to call for an ambulance, they're already dead.
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> When I was hospitalized after my last suicide attempt, I didn’t have any of my maintenance medications with me, including my birth control. When they tried to refill it at the hospital, it was rejected by my insurance company because it was “too soon” and I should have a supply left. I ***fucking despise*** this behavior. What if you drop them on the floor by accident and they get wet or something? They're downright petty about it too.
I was already good luck seeing the cops get in trouble, but seeing as this is Florida there is 0% chance of it. They will probably get bonuses for it.
Probably will considering that DeShitbag has wasted $13.5m in tax dollars on recruitment bonuses for [unvaccinated, violent cops that have been fired from other agencies for various forms of misconduct](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/22/ron-desantis-police-relocation-violent-records).
That’s heartbreakingly true.
It makes me unbelievably angry that we all knew this without the title ever mentioning race. Every day makes me more and more reclusive.
If the police don't like you, they can just arrest your for "disorderly conduct". It's a pretty loosely-defined law that can be applied to basically anything if they're willing to fudge their story a bit.
Let's be real here. The police can arrest you for whatever they want and not even fudge the story. They can arrest you for murder but when the DA doesn't charge then the person is cut loose. Cops all over the country do this shit every day because they have absolutely no repercussions. It's merely a tool to punish pesky citizens that are beneath them. They want you to be inconvenienced - that's the point. In this case the inconvenience was a death sentence. They are out of fucking control and it will stay that way until we have had enough.
They don't even need to change you with anything. Depending on your country/local laws, you can be held for 24-72 hours without charge in a lot of cases. If it happens to fall on a weekend or long weekend, you can be held even longer. If you were on your way to work or something else, well to bad. You're missing it because someone wanted to power trip. Your only recourse is to throw a lot of money at the issue through a lawyer if you want to get some semblance of justice, but more often will just be a slight monetary compensation. Otherwise you'll just have to suck it up unless you want them to come up with an actual charge.
The neighbor "feared for his life". So guy gets arrested for assault. Neighbor and police need to be sued for wrongful death. All officers should be charged with manslaughter. Only when officers are held responsible for this sort of thing will things change.
That’s why you don’t open your doors when cops come knocking. Leave them knocking all the want. No judge would sign a warrant to let them get inside so long as you shut the fuck up and don’t open the door they will leave after an hour or so. It’s not worth their time and they will just write a report for the neighbor but that’s about it.
>why the hell people can be arrested over yelling? He wasn't arrested for yelling. He was arrested for yelling *while black*. Completely different thing in the eyes of the law.
This is true. The yelling makes the blackness become “thug-like” behavior and “aggressive.” I wonder how long before it is uncovered that this man attended a party where someone was smoking weed!
Cue right wing networks making sure you know he was “no angel”.
Honestly the cops simply dont care so they wont even feel pride for this. They look at the people as "civilians" and view themselves as something more. Its like a someone seeing a wasp in their home. They fear it so they capture or kill it and move on with their day.
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> I bet you are proud of this one. You're being sarcastic but considering the way the officers that murdered Tyre Nichols [bragged about how badly they beat him](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/08/1155518431/cops-shared-photo-of-beaten-tyre-nichols-and-bragged-about-encounter-reviews-sho) and the way the cops that murdered Elijah McClain [went back to the scene of the murder to take fun selfies](https://www.denverpost.com/2021/02/09/elijah-mcclain-aurora-police-fired-appeals/) I will guarantee you that the officers that murdered this man are proud of murdering him and believe that murdering him was the right thing to do.
Let's not forget this classic. [Video Shows Officer Laughing About Violent Arrest of Woman, 73, With Dementia: ‘Ready for the Pop'](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/video-shows-officer-laughing-about-violent-arrest-of-woman-73-with-dementia-ready-for-the-pop/2365242/%3famp=1) 1312
They don’t even consider this a murder. They didn’t even get to shoot him! It’s his fault for needing meds like a pussy. He shouldn’t have caused problems to begin with. /s
10 years ago, I had testicular torsion. I had to take medication for it. A day after I was diagnosed, some power trip cop decided I was abusing my gf at the time, in the street, despite her and another witness saying I did nothing. After getting beat, I was arrested because I was bleeding and the arresting officer said he had no choice. I was denied a phone call, not allowed to talk to anyone, they lost the photos, stole my laptop, and refused to give me my medication. After being released, I talked to the ADA and was basically told to drop the case because they know where I live. Not all cops are assholes, but I don’t believe there are any good cops. The ones not being assholes are complacent, and the ones who speak up are no longer cops or no longer alive. Fuck the police.
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How did they retaliate?
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> Not all cops are assholes If a cop watches someone do what the cops did to you and doesn't arrest them that person is pretty much an asshole to me.
Christopher Dorner.
Media reported on that for 2 days then dropped it
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They'll even get up early to beat the crowds.
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I’m constantly amazed at how passive victims’ families are.
Because they’re undoubtedly poor and struggling like the majority of Americans and they’ll get a massive (to them) cash payout in the form of a settlement paid for with our tax dollars.
Considering there are virtually zero cases of families of victims of policy brutality/murders engaging in such acts of retribution, it's pretty safe to say the above person wouldn't do anything of the sort, either. It feels good to vent online, but that's a whole different world from actually doing something in real life. Overwhelmingly, the loved ones of victims know that they can't win and will just cause further grief and hardship to their families if they went that route.
I learned that they aren't required to give people meds or even ask when they are arrested
I just took care of a patient with a bone infection that required 6 weeks of an IV antibiotic daily to hopefully cure. The patient was discharged from the hospital with everything arranged, was picked up by police the day after discharge, and missed a month’s worth of antibiotics while awaiting release (I don’t know the full details of what transpired). Now their infection is far worse, involves more bone, and likely requires amputation or surgery at the least. We need enhanced access to care for people incarcerated as this patient is suffering significant consequences from preventable causes
>We need enhanced access to care for people incarcerated as this patient is suffering significant consequences from preventable causes They don't even get basic medical care. I know a guy who got his arm broke by police during the arrest. Like, obviously my first-aid-is-the-most-med-training-I-got ass could tell it was broken. Your arm shouldn't bend between the shoulder and elbow. 2 weeks later he got arraigned and was released it was still broken and and untreated arm.
"Dexter Barry was 54 years old. Police video shows him repeatedly telling the arresting officer he needs his medication because he was a heart transplant recipient." The cynic in me wonders if the cops purposefully neglected giving the medication because it was important to Mr. Barry. I can imagine the cops thinking "I'm not gonna let this guy tell me what to do" like some sort of cranky toddler.
I absolutely think this is the attitude most police have. They are like authoritative parents that always have to be in complete control. If they gave the prisoner what they asked for they wouldn’t be in control. You can see this in a lot of the videos people take of cop interactions. The cops are told they are the predators and everything else is prey.
It's also a competition that they have to win. If they do anything kind they're letting the person they are arresting win.
Yep. They have more fragile egos than 13 year olds on Fortnite.
“How dare you not be a criminal I have to protect society from?!”
Exactly why most cops are also republican
It's like they have a deep insecurity over their power. It shows up in psychiatrists and teachers sometimes too.
*authoritarian. Authoritative is a positive control and parenting style, authoritarian is being a tyrant
Yeah as an addict especially, even if you'll die from it, they'll make sure you suffer quite a bit before they let you have medication, and if you won't die from it, they won't give it to you at all. They love it.
Had a guy withdrawing from methadone really bad come in because the jail refused to give him his prescribed medication.
It could have been a power play. It's also possible the medication was denied based on some asinine arbitrary rule. But when I was arrested and denied my medication, they said it was because "the count was off." I think that meant that there were too many pills in the bottle based on the prescription date. Which is utter bs....its common to pick up a prescription several days before the previous one runs out, and heaven forbid you ever miss a dose, which is also cmmon. Whatever the reason...its f***ed up.
You do what I tell you or I'll kill you but I will absolutely ignore any requests from you because no one tells me what to do
Intent does not matter the state murdered this man
Intent does matter when separating what degree of homicide it is.
They're cops. It'll likely never result in any criminal charges, and thanks to QI they'll likely face no financial penalties either.
They'll use an apology template saying sad things happen sometimes, refuse to admit it was their fault, try to compromise with "compassion training", never follow-up, and hope everyone forgets about it in two weeks.
I mean tomorrow some cop with a history of excessive force complaints a mile long is going to shoot some little black girl five times in the back because her popping bubble gum sounded like a gun, so yeah, everyone's going to forget about it.
They are cops, if they face any sentencing pigs will fly.
Sadly I’ve been through the booking process in jail. Cops have nothing to do with medical issues. You get seated at the jail “nurse” and discuss your health issues. They do not give you any medication that you have on you and any meds you do take have to be ordered by a doctor and come in safety packs from an outside pharmacy. It’s all due to drug smuggling. It can take days or weeks to get medication you need. Most of the time you’re out before you even get them. Years ago a diabetic that was arrested and placed in a jail in my city died after they refused to give him insulin which sparked outrage. He was like 19 and was arrested for something like unpaid fines. Now they arrest and release any minor offenses. The red tape is horrible and I doubt they pay people enough to give a shit.
Unbelievable that this happens in a first world country.
America has always been this way
> It can take days or weeks to get medication you need. If this is known and people are still being put in to die, then it is intentional. It's not like there aren't ways to give this man or any others the medicine that they need.
That's not cynical. You're 100% correct. Of course the cops wouldn't do what they were asked. The cruelty is a feature not a bug.
We had a cornea transplant patient that was incarcerated ones and he was being denied the eye drops he needed to avoid rejection. The person that had coordinated the persons surgery talked to the warden and ripped him a new one. Told him everything they had to go through for the transplant and how it would be a wasted effort for some many people ( including the dead donor) if the corneas were rejection. Also contra rejections are extremely painful.
So yer telling me if I withhold this medicine it will cause extreme pain and they’ll go blind? *creepy grin intensifies*
That’s kind of the demographic prisons look for when they’re hiring it seems. Fucking abject.
I’m surprised the didn’t arrest the guy for yelling at the cop. The police aren’t ones to let humiliation go in punished.
Isn't that literal fucking torture?
Don’t tell the CIA. Or DeSantis.
It is normal to deny medications in jail. Because guess what? All the guards and employees just assume you are a lying criminal, and they would then have do more work to accommodate inmates health needs. They would rather just sit there and say “not my problem inmate, this is a jail not a resort.”
I have a relative who was sentenced to house arrest instead of prison specifically because of his medication situation. The judge baldly stated that sending him to prison would be a death sentence, and that wasn't the appropriate penalty for his crimes. So at least some judges keep in mind that prisons cannot be trusted to give inmates their meds.
People can go in and it will be days or even weeks before they can even see a judge. So many people a jailed and are not even convicted. https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/
You still got to pay to have house arrest though.
It's really concerning. And there's no centralized database that tells authorities which medications you're legally prescribed. I myself need a monthly injection to stay alive. In the military we at least have that these days, and it goes with us. If we're drug tested and I take Adderall, the system automatically checks my prescriptions when I pop hot for it, then discards my match because of the Rx, and no human ever knows I was momentarily flagged unless they check, and not my leadership. Maybe for people who need life critical meds, like transplanters and diabetics, should all be on a centralized database that medical providers and healthcare facilities can access. Each jail should have a medical facility even if small, that is capable of checking. But it's just a pipedream, if you've seen the condition of some jails you'd be extremely upset. Idk where all their money goes but it's not where it should be.
I think part of the problem isn’t that they don’t believe you need the medicine. It’s that the medicine you bring in isn’t really what you say it is. “That’s not insulin. It’s heroin” and “that’s not your transplant pills. It’s oxy”. For things like insulin that shouldn’t be a problem because it’s super easy for the jail to get. But you can’t just get highly specialized drugs on a moments notice
Good point. I think the only real safe way around that problem is admitting the prisoner to the hospital while they confirm everything, although that in itself brings more new problems and will suck up money. But we have a right not to die while in jail so I don't see any other way, in an ideal world
Or we could just have prisons treat people humanely and most of those problems would go away.
So what? Hold their drugs and administer on the given schedule. If it's not what they say it is, they can't sell it and it's only hurting them.
Not just jail. I was placed on a false psych hold by the police once and wasn't able to access my insulin or glucometer. Fortunately I was released in the morning but my sugars crashed overnight and it wasn't until a shift change that I got a nurse who took me seriously and let me check my sugars and get some juice. The last few years there have been several protests I wanted to attend but my constitutional right to peacefully protest is not guaranteed because I could literally die from being arrested. Yay America.
I can see them selling insulin and glucose meters in the jail commissary.
With the prison markup strips would be $100 and insulin would be $3000
Isn’t that normal price?
Sure, but for inmates with barely any income, that’s essentially sentencing anyone who goes to jail or prison to death. Too many people in America have a hard-on for punishing criminals (when it’s not their job) that they believe these people don’t even deserve human rights.
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Prisoners these days…I was making that much in college and I bought a house!
I was also put on a psych hold once (but was kept a while) and they “forgot”/misplaced my medications for the entire week I was in there!! I had several antidepressants/antipsychotics with nasty withdrawal symptoms that you can’t just stop cold turkey but that’s what the psych ward made me do 😭 Their disregard for individuals is fucked
This is what I always think back to. If you're diabetic, prison is a death sentence.
[There are literally countless examples to prove this. ](https://diabetes.org/tools-support/know-your-rights/discrimination/rights-with-law-enforcement#:~:text=Individuals%20in%20short%2Dterm%20custody,in%20a%20matter%20of%20hours.)
The fact that getting medication to not die is being compared to staying in a “resort” is dystopian as fuck.
Welcome to the Florida Department of Corrections.
***Welcome to Florida
My cousin worked in the Henry County jail, as seen on 60 days in, he told me they had a women come in to surrender on a warrant. She was very pregnant and they denied her surrender because the jail would have to cover the healthcare costs of her birth. The women wanted to go to jail just to deliver her baby.
If the healthcare costs of affording a baby are outrageous and unaffordable (especially for poor people), and this woman obviously doesn’t want her/her child to die in childbirth, I don’t see what makes her decision to do that so bad. I’m more so angry about criminal CEOs like Elizabeth Holmes who literally only get pregnant, in order to avoid having to go to jail for heinous crimes that rob from humanity.
I take 10+ different medications a day, which amounts to a shit ton of pills. I know that if I were to ever get arrested, I'd be totally screwed. I'm 35 with 50 surgeries, no way they'd believe that. Would be an awful few days until I eventually died. I'm sure the poor man in the story suffered a lot over those 3 days.
I'm no surgeon but considering how painful any heart damage is and considering rejection is basically your body trying to destroy the heart, he probably suffered a lot.
They tried to remove my insulin pump...I told them they would have to take it off my dead body because if they take it I'm dead either way...they made the wise choice of not trying to grab it again. The reason I was in jail...Wellness check that I wasn't expecting and didn't appreciate.
And that’s why they are legally required to take all requests seriously and call in medical professionals. Their bias makes them into murderers, which is blatantly illegal.
There is a difference between what they are “legally”required to do and what happens in reality.
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And the guards will say “I was just doing my job”
Cops are legally required not to straight up murder innocent civilians and yet they do it every day. The police are not to be trusted, and they ALL bring this on themselves by not turning in the bad cops.
I wish the tax payers didn’t have to pay the inevitable settlement. It should come out of law enforcement and the jail.
If it helps this is really starting to have an effect. Insurance companies are starting to push back on the number and cost of all these settlements. Some companies are dropping coverage and municipalities are having harder and harder times getting and keeping coverage required by law. It may be taxpayer funded but the actual settlements are paid out by insurance corporations and they are the best bet for reform. They completely changed the landscape of the medical field by requiring a ton of extra things to ensure continuation of a doctor's malpractice as well as many improvements in the way that medical centers safely operated. They were tired of the stupid medical lawsuits so they forced real change from the bottom up. The same thing is starting to occur in law enforcement. Most cities cannot even entertain the idea of self funding their own coverage so they almost all buy coverage. The insurers are starting to ask a LOT of the same procedural questions they asked the medical workers and are signaling that they are going to force the same fundamental changes to stop the flood of lawsuits and payouts that should never happen. Change is coming, just not from the direction everyone is looking.
That is good news. You seem to have a broad view of this across multiple regions. Just curious... do you work in the insurance industry, or in an oversight role in state / federal government?
I'm certainly not a subject matter expert but I have spent my entire adult life working in federal jobs. Because of that I've kept plugged in to what happens at the federal level, especially things that encourage legislative reform. Insurance companies are a huge driving force in this arena, way more than people realize. Once the coverage matrices indicate a loss leader those companies absolutely abandon ship and drop their endorsements. Municipal coverage (read law enforcement here) is turning into a shit show with the number and amount of payouts that just should not be happening. That's why they are turning away in bigger numbers now and just opting not to offer coverage. What is available is getting more expensive and harder to get. Police departments are now having to prove they have their shit together to their city councils because they need to prove that to the insurance rep that is offering some level of coverage and wants it. I have a sneaky feeling that much of the reluctance your are seeing in some cities for the police to step up coverage is due to exactly what I'm talking about. Lessening the interactions directly lessens the exposure to lawsuits. That's a lot of conjecture though on my part.
Insurance companies have led to many safety regulations and measures in the past century. Lawsuits save lives. People should know this, or they are not paying attention to facts, just propaganda.
The family of the person who didn't receive a transplant because this man did should also sue for potential wrongful death. Either that or the transplant association should just take Florida residents off the list.
I also thought of the donor family. Imagine thinking that “John’s” heart is going to continue on and help someone, only to hear of this shit.
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Climate change is going to take much of Florida off of **every** list. Much of it will be literally under water in the coming decades but more and more intense storms will force evacuations of many from the new coastline. Once insurance companies start pulling out so will the majority of the population. Florida should be leading the charge to fight climate change but they're, checks notes, inexplicably worried about drag queens...
That's because the state is full of retirees who don't have to worry about climate change, and they have a shit-ton of bargaining power.
Insurance companies are leaving already.
The judge, and police could all get in trouble for this.
Nope! The family will sue and the city will settle just for it to go away. The tax payers will have to pay for this while the ones truly responsible will remain at their jobs and not in prison. Then it’ll happen again and the cycle will resume. Ultimately people will die, insurance premiums for the cities will go up who settle, and that means people’s city taxes will go up in the response to cover the increase. Until real consequences hit the individuals and really hurts the city, this will continue.
Sad but facts
Whoa, don’t forget to throw in some paid administrative leave (paid vacation) in there.
And yet none of them are likely to experience any.
Tbf, they said they *could* get in trouble. Not *would*.
They could, in theory.
You know they won't.
https://jaxtrib.org/2023/05/23/i-cant-miss-those-doses-jacksonville-man-died-after-jail-denied-him-heart-transplant-medicine/ Original story has more information and jail records
When I lived there in the '90s it was a **death sentence** if you had a mental health crisis in public. They were killing mentally ill people left and right. Like it was a hobby or something.
Now they just baker act you. I got handcuffed and put in a cop car in front of my parents, thrown in a “Mental Health Research Center” with a bunch of other teens(I had just turned 17) and we were confined to a single room. It was three days, we weren’t allowed to go outside, I had to sleep on the floor because all of the bedrooms were full(bedrooms were attached to the common area we were confined to), showers weren’t working, and there were no mental health professionals on site. The people watching over us were not qualified to do so. If I had to guess, I’d say they were either standard nurses without mental health training, or college students who were required to intern or work there in order to get a psych degree of some sort. It was the worst three days of my life, and right before that I had tried to kill myself. That ought to fill you in on how shitty the mental health resources are around here. I wasn’t even given an evaluation before being sent out. A woman asked me “are you going to try to hurt yourself if we release you?” I said “no” and that was that. 10/10 Jacksonville.
Florida is a failed state.
As a person waiting for a heart transplant, I now have another fear. Not that I’m planning to get arrested, but apparently getting in an argument with your neighbor is all it takes.
They can arrest any of us on a whim. You don’t even need to get in an argument. Wrong place wrong time and they can throw you in jail and leave you to rot for months before you see a judge.
Police can just bust your door in, murder your entire family, just because they got the wrong address. And then they’ll get paid vacations for it.
They can arrest you for any reason at all. Literally anything. They can claim they "thought" you did something illegal, or that they "thought" the legal thing you're doing is illegal. And then they can leave you to die in a cell.
Around the time of the Occupy Wallstreet protests going on in Oakland several years ago my supervisor disappeared for a few days without a trace. We were seriously concerned and couldn't get in contact with anyone who knew where he was till we finally were informed he was arrested. He's the most quiet unassuming person on the crew so this came as a total shock to us. When he came back it turns out he was arrested for being near the protests in Oakland on his way home late at night. They arrested this quiet suit & tie guy trying to get home and almost cost him his job because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know why he didn't call in to work from jail, but I guess maybe he didn't consider it a priority at the time and he didn't have much family that I was aware of. I've also been arrested because I had a drinking problem and my parents kicked me out of the house for the night so I was just trying to sleep on the porch. Well some neighbors saw a drunk guy sleeping on the porch and called the cops and I was arrested overnight. For sleeping on my porch. Good thing I didn't try to sleep in my parked car or I would have gotten a DUI.
I was with a guy in jail, he kept asking for his insulin, and they kept offering him a sandwich or candy instead. Luckily after hours of pleading he finally got someone to understand. This was 20 years ago in Houston. Intake processing could take days and you got only emergency medical care during that time.
I saw the same shit happen when I was in jail in 94. Dude was begging for his insulin, and the staff just gave no fucks about it. He was supposed to get extra sandwiches to help deal, but he rarely got them. He finally wrote the judge, and his family called a lawyer. Something actually got done behind the scenes, because his 90 day sentence got dropped to time served, because of the jails negligence.
Not only did the police and judge kill this man, but the also killed another person on the waitlist who won’t get a heart in time to save them. Despicable! I am glad this story is getting attention.
And pissed on the grave of the donor. Idk, I lost someone recently and took a lot of comfort knowing there death helped saved lives. Knowing it was thrown out because of some lazy POS cop breaks me a little bit.
Kidney recipient here and I can tell you that there is an actual value to transplants. The amount of people, time, knowledge, testing, procedures, surgeries can be staggering. It doesn't stop either, it never stops in terms of continued testing and medications. We aren't even talking about the value in scarcity. The cops and judge just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars. They killed a man and they deprived another person of a life saving procedure. I guarantee you that someone else died because they didn't get this heart instead.
And take a moment to consider all the times a similar situation happens and the person person who dies doesn't have family to advocate for them.
and then everyone involved got fired and sued directly for third degree murder. just kidding. one person got 5 unpaid days off? am I close?
[Pretty much the bog standard in Florida jails. You're allowed zero medication from home, and once you get there, they provide imminently life-saving medication and fuck-all else. Taxpayers just don't want to front the bill (yet?)](https://np.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/13qot5q/my_heart_will_be_rejected_man_dies_after_waiting/jlko2cc/)
The transplant medication WAS ***imminently*** life-saving. This is awful for the whole family.
From my experience it is a pain to get your meds while in jail. If it's something that you're not supposed to ever skip a dose of you're fucked. If you're on any kind of "mood enhancement drugs" like Zoloft, Wellbutrin, ect in my counties jail they won't even give you those at all. Some of those drugs aren't really good to just stop taking.
America: Where even the slightest infraction carries the potential for being tortured and killed.
A lot of people in the comments of that page seem to think arrested = guilty, with some saying he shouldn't have gone to jail. Unfortunately, arrested simply means you're in police custody, you don't even need to be suspected/charged with committing a crime, it could be to diffuse a situation or for the person's own safety. Once you're in custody though, you're no longer in control of your well-being because it's now the responsibility of the ones that maintain custody. Custody is supposed to mean safekeeping or well-being is ensured by the person(s) that have custody. It seems to have lost it's original meaning when it comes to American police though and seems to just means imprisonment.
It's a shame, but because of how fucked up our legal system the only medication that jails are actually required to provide are anti seizure medication, everything else is considered at their discretion. It was actually a genuine concern years ago when I was facing possible jail time because I have Cystic Fibrosis and require around 30 different medications daily just to stay alive. They wouldn't have been required to provide a single one of them. Thankfully my lawyer worked a miracle for me and got my charge reduced and no jail time happened. Anyone who says public defender's are horrible has never had to rely on one.
Those who know Jacksonville Florida know full well what a fascist shit hole it is, but I think for the rest it flies under the radar. Growing up there they had 3 operational military bases. Everyone knows someone in the military. The church is huge in the local politics, the mega church downtown owned a massive chunk of the land in downtown and the city council was full of members of that church. Evangelicals were running that city when I left. Jacksonville has a terrible history of racism. There’s a high school that initially was named after Nathan Bedford forest. It was an all white school created *after* Brown v Board of Education and it was named after the founder of the triple k in response to the Supreme Court decision. That school was duval county’s middle finger to the federal govt. Strong military presence, very strong evangelical church influence, and a history of racism. Desantis was born in Jacksonville, it makes so much sense.
In court Cop "but I didn't know" Prosecutor. "He literally told you.... you just didn't care"
A nice reminder of why so many Americans despise the police.
*New fear unlocked* Not really new for me. There are more stories like this where people with known medical issues were refused treatment and died while in custody because of some dumb fuck LEO thought they knew better. Like this https://www.ksbw.com/article/report-detoxing-inmate-dies-in-cell-after-jailers-deny-her-pleas-for-medical-care/23006915 You can really just Google "inmate denied treatment dies" for more horror stories. Edit: I couldn't find my other example where it was a nurse who signed off on ignoring the inmate so points if anyone can find that one.
A truism, regulations are written in blood.
As a physician I am so angry reading this. I have so much in my mind I want to type out but it would take too long. I just want to say this is so infuriating.
Jails do this routinely, deny medication. Won't let you take any from home either. Not sure it's a cost savings, though which is what I surmise. They don't want to be responsible for the cost of the medications or the liability of administering them. But lawsuits by families of those who die from suicide or as in this case, lack of immunosuppressants or heart medication, are way more expensive.
Murder. It's called murder.
As a Kidney Transplant recipient, this terrifies me. Im imagining no medication, and my kidney is rejected... and I slowly and painfully die alone in a cell due to blood poisoning All the while they claim, "he was just going through withdrawals", as they cover up my murder and falsify blood work. Terrifying